Space Symposium "First-Ever UFO Panel" — Grusch / Burlison / Gold / Roddenberry (2026)

Event: National Space Symposium (Colorado Springs), first UAP panel, ~April 2026. Speakers: David Grusch (whistleblower/ex-intel, space sector), Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO), Mike Gold (space-industry exec; congressional UAP witness), Rod Roddenberry. Moderator: Jeremy Corbell; recorded by the WEAPONIZED team (Corbell/George Knapp). Published: 2026-04-25 (Jeremy Corbell YouTube). Duration: 1:12:55. URL: https://youtu.be/Ayf92m7zPFY Extraction: youtube_transcript.py (auto-generated captions; no speaker labels — turns must be inferred from context; the episode also contains Corbell/Knapp studio review around the panel footage), captured 2026-06-03. Verbatim auto-transcript. Analysis: ../../sources/grusch-career-and-claims, ../../sources/burlison-uap-oversight, ../../sources/corbell-career-and-claims.

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[00:00:00.400] The Super Bowl of space technology, CEOs
[00:00:03.440] and high-ranking people from all the
[00:00:04.960] defense contractors.
[00:00:06.480] >> I dealt with a transmedium threats and
[00:00:08.520] unknown anomalous activity in our skies
[00:00:11.640] and our space domain.
[00:00:13.000] >> This
[00:00:14.200] is Weaponized.
[00:00:25.080] >> This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp
[00:00:27.120] coming to you from the bunker here in
[00:00:28.640] Las Vegas. It's an extra messy here
[00:00:30.480] today, Jeremy. Where the hell have you
[00:00:32.240] been? I don't see the safe behind you.
[00:00:34.000] Did someone steal your safe?
[00:00:36.800] >> God, I hope not. There's nothing in the
[00:00:38.160] in it anyway.
[00:00:39.560] Um no, I'm you know, up in the
[00:00:41.080] mountains, let's say Big Sur,
[00:00:42.520] California. It's awesome.
[00:00:44.760] >> So, you have been traveling though a
[00:00:46.240] little bit last uh week or so. I I don't
[00:00:48.760] think UFO world is aware
[00:00:51.280] uh of what happened a couple of days ago
[00:00:53.000] at the time we're recording this. There
[00:00:54.920] was a new David Grusch interview that no
[00:00:57.200] one seems to know about. He was on the
[00:00:59.160] stage They were in a participating in an
[00:01:01.840] event with um Mike Gold, who who like
[00:01:05.199] Grusch had testified before Congress
[00:01:07.120] about UAP matters. He was involved with
[00:01:10.240] a guy named Rod Roddenberry, whose
[00:01:12.320] family developed Star Trek and is
[00:01:14.160] seriously interested in intelligence way
[00:01:16.920] out there. And uh representative Eric
[00:01:19.360] Berleson, who's been blazing a trail of
[00:01:21.800] his own from the perspective of
[00:01:23.600] Congress. And yet all these guys
[00:01:26.320] involved in the same event with you and
[00:01:30.000] supposedly was going to be me, too. Um
[00:01:33.480] we're at an at amazing event that has
[00:01:36.680] likely never before had an official
[00:01:38.840] panel about UAP UFO matters. And yet it
[00:01:42.200] happened. And pretty much nobody other
[00:01:45.280] than us knows about it, right?
[00:01:47.800] >> Yeah, we were Weaponized was invited to
[00:01:51.000] host a couple interviews at the Space
[00:01:53.520] Symposium, which is they they said it's
[00:01:55.600] like the Super Bowl of space. You got to
[00:01:57.120] come and man, I was really I was shocked
[00:01:59.640] by it. It was really cool. I don't
[00:02:01.080] believe there's ever been a UFO or UAP
[00:02:04.479] panel or speaker out there, but people
[00:02:06.920] knew about weaponized. Within the
[00:02:09.679] aerospace industry, within the weapons
[00:02:12.040] space defense industry, people were
[00:02:14.040] coming up to me from Northrup Grumman,
[00:02:15.800] from Lockheed, from all the big top
[00:02:17.840] companies, you know, telling me that
[00:02:19.600] they listen to this topic, that they
[00:02:21.240] focus on the UAP thing. And I asked
[00:02:23.200] them, "Do you got any comment about it?"
[00:02:24.800] You know, going into reporter mode, you
[00:02:26.240] got any comment? No comment. But yet,
[00:02:29.400] you know, when when when all these
[00:02:30.680] people came forward like David Grusch
[00:02:32.640] gave an eloquent talk, really pushed
[00:02:35.560] forward, you know, information about the
[00:02:37.320] UAP thing, they were just I mean people
[00:02:39.440] were standing around in their uniforms
[00:02:41.240] with all their their badges or, you
[00:02:42.920] know, all whatever you call them, the
[00:02:44.520] admirals, generals, people were paying
[00:02:46.520] attention. So, it gave me a lot of
[00:02:49.720] just kind of a lot of hope for the UAP
[00:02:51.920] thing. You know, it is interesting. Mike
[00:02:53.840] Gold was responsible for fighting to get
[00:02:56.080] the cameras on the Artemis mission.
[00:02:57.920] First time, if you understand the story
[00:03:00.000] as as we're told it, the first time in
[00:03:02.840] in 50 years that human beings are
[00:03:04.600] orbiting another, you know, celestial
[00:03:06.560] body, it was a big deal. He fought for
[00:03:08.800] the cameras to get up there. And I asked
[00:03:10.760] him point-blank, you'll see in the
[00:03:11.959] episode, I asked him point-blank, you
[00:03:13.160] know, "Are you going to release that to
[00:03:14.640] the public?" It was a cool event,
[00:03:16.760] George. It was really neat.
[00:03:18.480] >> Um before we get to Mike Gold or any of
[00:03:20.640] the other speakers who were involved in
[00:03:22.320] this, a more detail about the general
[00:03:25.519] setting. You said everybody had suits
[00:03:27.800] and ties and uniforms. So, you did too,
[00:03:30.120] right? You must have been wearing that.
[00:03:31.760] Yeah.
[00:03:32.120] >> You know, I do have a suit now because
[00:03:34.040] we we got one for me, remember that?
[00:03:35.800] Looks red somewhere dogs. But no, you
[00:03:37.600] know, I went in costume as myself, which
[00:03:41.000] typically not having the suit. But yeah,
[00:03:43.920] people were wearing a lot of the the
[00:03:45.640] military you cuz I think it's like a
[00:03:47.239] purchasing thing. A lot of our
[00:03:48.800] government is going seeing what
[00:03:50.200] technology's out there and you know, the
[00:03:52.120] best space suit, that kind of thing.
[00:03:53.840] They showed this space suit that's new.
[00:03:56.200] All these articulating joints for like
[00:03:58.360] lunar landings, everything down to like
[00:04:00.120] bathrooms. So, it it was really neat. I
[00:04:02.480] was not dressed in proper uniform. You
[00:04:05.120] know, they did check my badge a number
[00:04:06.440] of times, but I think being myself is
[00:04:08.200] the best way to be.
[00:04:09.800] >> The National Space Symposium is a really
[00:04:12.120] big deal. You compared it to the Super
[00:04:13.920] Bowl of space technology. That is
[00:04:15.640] accurate. I mean, these are CEOs and
[00:04:18.359] high-ranking people from all the defense
[00:04:20.239] contractors, space contractors, all
[00:04:22.720] kinds of agency people, Intel world,
[00:04:25.240] military folks. I mean, it is really the
[00:04:27.720] the big annual gathering for talking
[00:04:31.000] about these kind of topics, what's up
[00:04:32.600] there, what could be up there in the
[00:04:33.840] future. And it it amazes me that they
[00:04:36.880] haven't talked about UAP before, but
[00:04:39.160] does not amaze me that they all have a
[00:04:41.120] secret still in the closet interest in
[00:04:44.080] the topic. And that's the sense you got
[00:04:46.080] just walking the halls. People would
[00:04:47.640] walk up to you, right? And have a
[00:04:49.240] private little moment.
[00:04:51.040] >> Yeah, it was it was awesome. Actually,
[00:04:52.560] Grant from Ohio Valley News. This guy
[00:04:54.440] gets in everywhere. He gets into the
[00:04:55.680] hearings without a White House, you
[00:04:57.240] know, press corps thing. I don't know
[00:04:59.120] how he gets into all these things. So,
[00:05:00.520] he came
[00:05:01.560] >> He might He might be a spook. He came
[00:05:03.360] with me, and we would just walk
[00:05:04.800] together, you know, through all these
[00:05:06.240] booths where they're like selling
[00:05:07.600] different things and showing their
[00:05:08.880] technology. And we would just stop once
[00:05:11.160] in a while because the conversations
[00:05:12.800] were incredible. People are interested
[00:05:15.120] in UAP. They know that UAP are real.
[00:05:17.880] They know they represent machines unlike
[00:05:20.440] what we have. They know it's an issue
[00:05:22.240] from a defense standpoint. Some people
[00:05:24.960] you can tell are kind of on the
[00:05:26.360] periphery of it and and just kind of
[00:05:28.480] looking at it like a fan, but but other
[00:05:30.240] people were were dead serious about it
[00:05:32.040] and would come up to me and say, you
[00:05:33.880] know, I have no official comment, but
[00:05:36.040] don't stop what you're doing. You and
[00:05:37.760] George are making waves. That kind of
[00:05:39.400] thing.
[00:05:40.000] >> That's awesome. Well, I guess it would
[00:05:42.080] be fair to say that Mike Gold is the guy
[00:05:43.960] that put this in motion. He's the key
[00:05:45.680] cog that that helped make it happen.
[00:05:48.000] We've had him as our guest on Weaponized
[00:05:49.800] a couple of times, great guy. I mean, he
[00:05:51.880] worked for Bigelow Aerospace for a
[00:05:53.360] number of years, consultant to NASA, and
[00:05:55.640] now at Redwire, is that right?
[00:05:57.560] >> That's right, yeah.
[00:05:59.280] >> So, that's a big space contractor. It's
[00:06:01.480] involved in high-level stuff all over
[00:06:03.640] the place, and you know, he has a
[00:06:05.160] healthy interest in the UAP topic, and
[00:06:07.760] and he helped set this in motion. He's
[00:06:10.280] the foot in the door for for you and me
[00:06:12.000] in Weaponized, right?
[00:06:13.240] >> The only reason why we were invited to
[00:06:15.080] speak at the Superbowl of Space is
[00:06:16.760] because of Mike Gold, and you know, he
[00:06:18.320] testified in front of Congress, famously
[00:06:20.120] gave like one of these Vulcan
[00:06:22.960] you know, live long and prosper when he
[00:06:24.560] was standing up there doing you know,
[00:06:25.960] the you know, raise your hand for the
[00:06:27.280] testimony. Yeah, he's a great guy, and
[00:06:29.800] he is he made a really good point. He's
[00:06:32.440] like, we are now focused on exploring
[00:06:34.800] the cosmos in a way we haven't been in
[00:06:36.320] 50 years. And he goes, I am about
[00:06:38.400] transparency. This relates to the UAP
[00:06:40.440] issue. We need to open our minds to
[00:06:42.960] what's going on. He said to me, there is
[00:06:44.919] a greater chance that we we are going to
[00:06:47.880] capture an anomaly, a UAP with this
[00:06:50.840] these camera systems that that Redwire
[00:06:52.560] put on, than not. And he's like, that
[00:06:54.720] needs to go out to the public. We need
[00:06:56.160] to have this conversation. He's trying
[00:06:57.440] to destigmatize the UAP thing at
[00:07:00.160] something really fancy like the Space
[00:07:01.640] Symposium. Well, he didn't have to do a
[00:07:03.200] lot of hard work other than invite us
[00:07:04.880] because people were absolutely
[00:07:08.120] interested to talk about this because
[00:07:09.840] they know it's true. These people in the
[00:07:11.560] in these positions, they know it's true.
[00:07:13.280] It's just a matter of how far we go
[00:07:15.160] publicly. Thanks for having me. Mike
[00:07:17.360] Gold's been a friend for a while. He
[00:07:18.680] testified in front of Congress about
[00:07:20.480] UAP. Did you guys see his congressional
[00:07:22.440] testimony?
[00:07:24.080] If you haven't,
[00:07:25.880] play the tape back. But one of the
[00:07:27.800] things that really intrigued me about
[00:07:29.840] Mike is that he openly talks about these
[00:07:32.080] things that are usually talked only
[00:07:33.560] behind closed doors. You're in this
[00:07:35.400] industry, you probably have had that
[00:07:36.919] experience before. There's a hushness
[00:07:38.960] about the UAP issue just because
[00:07:40.760] something unknown it gives people an
[00:07:43.120] allergy, right? Well, it's not unknown
[00:07:45.040] in certain industries. So, Mike fought,
[00:07:47.200] from what I understand, to make sure
[00:07:48.880] that we got cameras. You fought to get
[00:07:50.800] the camera systems up on the Artemis
[00:07:52.560] mission. So, here we are going back
[00:07:54.800] orbiting the moon, and I'm really
[00:07:56.760] grateful for Mike. He was telling me the
[00:07:58.640] other day that science only progresses
[00:08:00.640] by studying the things we don't yet
[00:08:02.080] understand. So, can you tell us for a
[00:08:03.800] second about that fight to get cameras,
[00:08:05.760] why that was important, and why going
[00:08:07.480] back to the moon relates to the UAP
[00:08:09.880] issue?
[00:08:10.640] >> Yeah, and let me begin. I had the
[00:08:12.200] question is why I am even having this
[00:08:14.600] argument. I mean, it seems simple, it
[00:08:18.760] seems intuitive. Of course, you should
[00:08:20.760] have cameras on the mission. But, then
[00:08:23.720] you encounter engineers, and you know I
[00:08:25.400] love engineers and engineering, but they
[00:08:27.840] can be very focused on requirements. And
[00:08:30.320] I remember having conversations at
[00:08:32.680] Johnson Space Center where there were
[00:08:34.400] where are the requirements for the
[00:08:35.680] visuals? What are we solving? And when
[00:08:38.200] you have a spacecraft as complex and a
[00:08:40.120] mission as difficult as Artemis,
[00:08:42.400] every ounce of mass, every volt of power
[00:08:47.640] is jealously guarded because this is so
[00:08:50.280] difficult. So, not just me, but with the
[00:08:52.720] help of former NASA administrator Jim
[00:08:54.680] Bridenstine, who would tell people, "The
[00:08:57.080] camera is the mission." That if we can't
[00:09:01.400] bring visual images from Artemis 2, we
[00:09:05.800] will lose the political support, which
[00:09:08.280] is actually the fuel that makes this go.
[00:09:11.880] So, we eventually won the argument. We
[00:09:14.480] got the cameras on. Total coincidence
[00:09:17.000] that I ended up with the company that is
[00:09:18.680] building those cameras, but I was so
[00:09:21.000] proud to be able to be a part of not
[00:09:23.400] just in arguing for the cameras, but
[00:09:25.320] then being with Redwire that built them.
[00:09:27.280] We have 11 cameras. Look, not all of us
[00:09:30.040] can be astronauts, me in particular.
[00:09:32.520] But, with those cameras, we were able to
[00:09:35.200] take not just America but the world on
[00:09:38.560] the extraordinary journey to the moon
[00:09:41.320] that was Artemis.
[00:09:43.080] >> And if you caught any anomalies
[00:09:46.560] If you caught any anom-
[00:09:48.440] Can you guys hear me?
[00:09:49.080] >> You're catching an anomaly there.
[00:09:50.320] >> We're catching an anomaly. Man, we got
[00:09:51.920] tech issues today.
[00:09:53.480] Um
[00:09:54.800] If you guys caught any anomalies when
[00:09:56.600] you were, you know, putting these
[00:09:58.040] cameras up and all that, would you share
[00:09:59.560] them with the American public directly?
[00:10:01.520] >> Absolutely.
[00:10:03.480] As you mentioned in your opening
[00:10:04.920] statement, anomalies is how science is
[00:10:08.520] done. It's the weird, it's the strange,
[00:10:11.040] it's the unexpected
[00:10:12.960] that allows us to make progress. So, the
[00:10:17.080] anomalies are actually what we're
[00:10:19.080] looking for both in the science sense
[00:10:21.640] and by the way, even in regard to the
[00:10:23.160] spacecraft. That the cameras serve the
[00:10:25.840] purpose, yes, of capturing incredible
[00:10:28.840] images of the Artemis journey, but also
[00:10:31.720] they look at the health of the
[00:10:33.520] spacecraft. And there, if there's an
[00:10:35.960] anomaly of some sort, you want to know
[00:10:38.160] because that could influence the lives
[00:10:40.240] of the astronauts. So, you want those
[00:10:41.640] cameras to be able to see what's going
[00:10:42.839] on.
[00:10:43.760] It was a nearly flawless mission,
[00:10:45.680] incredible mission, but you might have
[00:10:47.360] heard there were a few issues with the
[00:10:48.760] toilet.
[00:10:50.280] And our cameras actually captured when
[00:10:53.280] they eventually were able to vent the
[00:10:55.000] urine, urine coming out of the
[00:10:57.040] spacecraft. And I have to tell you, our
[00:10:59.160] cameras capturing urine in space
[00:11:01.200] shooting out, not on my bingo card for
[00:11:03.120] the mission, but it's an example of how
[00:11:05.560] those images can be so important to not
[00:11:08.080] just Artemis 2, but making sure that we
[00:11:10.680] can do an even better job, make Artemis
[00:11:13.160] 3 even more spectacular. But again,
[00:11:16.680] whether it's an anomalous
[00:11:18.880] light, an anomalous image, or an anomaly
[00:11:21.760] on the spacecraft, those are the most
[00:11:24.360] important parts of science and
[00:11:26.640] engineering.
[00:11:27.560] >> The cameras are on there.
[00:11:29.880] And what happens What happens to the
[00:11:31.120] footage? Can I ask you that?
[00:11:33.240] >> Yeah, I mean so
[00:11:35.520] I I definitely if I recall when I was
[00:11:38.400] talking with Mike on stage, you know, I
[00:11:40.360] pushed him. I said there's so much
[00:11:41.800] distrust right now in the American
[00:11:43.520] public. For you see this man with the
[00:11:45.720] moon mission. Everybody's analyzing the
[00:11:47.240] footage being like it's fake it's fake.
[00:11:49.400] You see so much of that. Now if these
[00:11:51.600] guys worked so hard on this, I said to
[00:11:53.280] Mike, you know, there's so much distrust
[00:11:55.040] and you can't fight that. So can you
[00:11:56.640] just put out the information to the
[00:11:58.480] public? If you get an anomaly, will the
[00:12:00.880] public see it? Now this is a guy that
[00:12:02.800] fought for these cameras to be on this
[00:12:05.120] mission and 100% Mike is like, yes. NASA
[00:12:08.440] has their own software usually where
[00:12:11.560] they have to like pick apart the
[00:12:12.920] imagery. But he's with Artemis, we have
[00:12:15.600] the software. So I do believe that if
[00:12:18.000] they capture something truly anomalous,
[00:12:20.280] if they're if they if they got it,
[00:12:22.040] someone like Mike Gold, he's going to
[00:12:23.840] put it out. Come hell or high water he
[00:12:25.640] will. So he told me that on on stage
[00:12:28.120] that they're they're planning to release
[00:12:29.800] that footage the best they can like
[00:12:31.960] straight up. I believe him.
[00:12:33.880] >> I hope so. I mean we know the kind of
[00:12:35.440] games that NASA has played both the
[00:12:37.240] audio kinds of transmissions, what
[00:12:39.200] astronauts say or report back to to
[00:12:42.240] Houston, the code language that's used
[00:12:44.400] when they see something strange, the
[00:12:47.040] stories that float around about what
[00:12:49.440] people encountered on the moon and and
[00:12:51.720] on the journey back and forth. So I I
[00:12:54.600] would trust Red Wire and Mike Gold more
[00:12:57.120] than I would trust NASA at this point.
[00:12:59.280] Uh so after uh you talked with Mike on
[00:13:01.560] stage, is it there's a guy comes on
[00:13:03.839] stage you've known since childhood or at
[00:13:05.960] least since the early years?
[00:13:08.040] It's a very famous family name,
[00:13:10.200] Roddenberry. Any Star Trek fan or even
[00:13:13.839] partial fan would know that name, the
[00:13:15.920] significance of it. Rod Roddenberry, son
[00:13:18.200] of Gene Roddenberry, he's the CEO of the
[00:13:20.720] the family biz and he came on and what
[00:13:23.080] did he say?
[00:13:24.480] >> Yeah, it was actually really cool. So I
[00:13:25.640] think that the NASA guys and Mike that
[00:13:27.560] they said their head exploded when they
[00:13:29.200] get to talk with Rod Roddenberry cuz
[00:13:30.720] they're they're huge fans. I mean, the
[00:13:32.400] Artemis Accords, which is like getting a
[00:13:34.440] bunch of nations together about the
[00:13:35.920] principles of how to explore space from
[00:13:37.920] from what I understand, um the
[00:13:39.760] 60-something,
[00:13:41.280] you know, country has signed on to it.
[00:13:43.040] All of the Artemis Accords were based
[00:13:45.400] upon Star Trek. They were based upon the
[00:13:47.240] principles uh that Rod Roddenberry's
[00:13:49.640] father put in motion with his, you know,
[00:13:51.560] what they call sci-fi. So, when Rod came
[00:13:54.040] on, man, he's looking sharp, and he's
[00:13:55.920] looking strong, and he was articulate,
[00:13:57.680] and he was talking about, you know, kind
[00:13:59.560] of what the principles were with Star
[00:14:02.120] Trek. And And seeing Mike and him engage
[00:14:05.680] in real world about how to apply those
[00:14:07.800] principles to current space exploration,
[00:14:10.480] it was really cool. Just cuz I'm a I'm a
[00:14:12.440] friend of Rod's, he's a friend of yours,
[00:14:14.160] we we know him, and now he's talking
[00:14:16.200] with the guys doing the moon mission.
[00:14:17.520] So, they were equally enthusiastic about
[00:14:20.280] having that conversation.
[00:14:21.960] >> I would think everybody there recognizes
[00:14:24.440] at the Space Symposium that what people
[00:14:26.640] would call sci-fi
[00:14:29.160] often leads to real science and real
[00:14:31.320] technology and real developments. I have
[00:14:33.200] an entire book about things that were
[00:14:35.280] first mentioned on on Star Trek that
[00:14:37.120] became real because kids grew up to be
[00:14:39.360] engineers and made them. So, I I hope in
[00:14:41.760] this clip that you get into that.
[00:14:44.480] >> Yeah, um
[00:14:45.680] I I believe so. I I kind of have I don't
[00:14:47.440] have a memory exactly. I'm up on stage
[00:14:49.760] and I remember what we talked about, but
[00:14:51.400] I I do remember this is um something
[00:14:53.880] really interesting to me. Uh Travis
[00:14:55.920] Taylor, our friend Travis Taylor,
[00:14:58.240] um he came up to me and he articulated
[00:15:02.320] for the first time why he was so
[00:15:04.560] optimistic about the UAP issue and about
[00:15:07.480] looking out into the cosmos
[00:15:09.560] in a way that nobody had before. He said
[00:15:11.839] something about how
[00:15:13.560] uh you know, the
[00:15:15.080] the X uh what is it called? SpaceX
[00:15:17.800] >> 47B, yeah.
[00:15:19.160] >> Well, no, no, the the the company was
[00:15:21.280] about to go to IPO, so it's going to
[00:15:23.000] become traded and he goes, "Imagine all
[00:15:26.040] these engineers, hundreds of engineers
[00:15:28.320] who have their own mind about how to
[00:15:30.080] explore stuff, they're all going to
[00:15:31.600] become multi-millionaires overnight." He
[00:15:33.920] said it it's already happening and he
[00:15:35.680] goes, "All these people going out and
[00:15:37.480] doing their pet projects with hundreds
[00:15:39.240] of millions of dollars." He goes, "All
[00:15:40.880] of this All of this is going to blow up
[00:15:42.480] soon. People are going to be out
[00:15:43.760] privatizing space and and going to be
[00:15:45.960] capturing UAP in a way that we've never
[00:15:48.000] seen before." So, that was a really cool
[00:15:49.640] perspective. He was there. It was very
[00:15:51.680] cool to hear him say that.
[00:15:53.560] >> Yeah, that sounds like a really
[00:15:54.520] interesting audience for one thing. So,
[00:15:56.760] um are we playing the clip here now from
[00:15:58.920] from what was said?
[00:16:00.080] >> Yeah, let's do it. So, we're going to
[00:16:01.480] play right now the clip with Rod
[00:16:03.040] Roddenberry and kind of what he his
[00:16:04.880] engagement with the NASA folks, what he
[00:16:06.720] said at the conference. Can you hear us,
[00:16:08.520] Rod?
[00:16:09.520] >> There we go.
[00:16:10.280] >> hear you loud and clear, guys.
[00:16:11.560] >> Contact. So, this is a a good friend of
[00:16:13.920] mine and he was inspired, you know, we
[00:16:15.760] talked a little bit about the mission to
[00:16:17.520] the moon and what's been going on. So,
[00:16:19.040] Rod just wanted to know from everything
[00:16:20.680] that you've been involved with, what do
[00:16:22.560] you think of Mike's Artemis mission and
[00:16:25.280] and what we're doing as Americans right
[00:16:26.680] now, going back to the moon?
[00:16:30.280] >> Well, to me, listen, of of course I'm
[00:16:32.000] thrilled anytime we are looking out
[00:16:34.160] beyond our planet and questioning what's
[00:16:36.640] out there and trying to explore and and
[00:16:39.080] through that exploration
[00:16:41.160] hopefully bettering ourselves as a
[00:16:43.160] species, I'm I'm completely on board.
[00:16:45.600] That is that is the philosophy that I
[00:16:47.400] grew up with. Um that is that is Star
[00:16:49.880] Trek and it's in its at its core. And
[00:16:52.760] it's it's the only way our society and
[00:16:54.920] humanity is going to thrive.
[00:16:57.839] >> Well, thank you so much for um you know,
[00:16:59.640] coming on and risking it with your wild
[00:17:01.520] friend Jeremy to talk about UFOs, but I
[00:17:04.600] imagine, you know, we've talked about it
[00:17:05.880] before, you don't have any direct
[00:17:07.280] knowledge of the UAP or UFO issue, but
[00:17:09.839] have you seen what's been going on over
[00:17:11.360] the last number of years and are you
[00:17:12.720] inspired that we're going to get more
[00:17:14.360] answers um about the UFO issue?
[00:17:18.839] >> I mean, of course I'm inspired. I mean,
[00:17:20.360] I get to see a lot of this stuff because
[00:17:21.800] you send me incredible links and then
[00:17:23.600] some of it is just coming it's becoming
[00:17:25.199] more mainstream, which I think is a
[00:17:27.160] great thing. Um, you know, I truly do
[00:17:29.680] believe there is life out there. My only
[00:17:32.040] question is and and you and I will
[00:17:33.600] differ in this area whether they're here
[00:17:35.000] or not. It's not that I don't think they
[00:17:36.600] are. I just, you know, I want to see,
[00:17:39.360] touch, say hello um, to them in person
[00:17:43.240] before I'm I'm willing to to uh,
[00:17:45.800] just jump in with them being here. But I
[00:17:47.520] there's life in our galaxy for sure. Um,
[00:17:50.600] we just have to find it.
[00:17:53.480] >> Well,
[00:17:54.400] uh, there was life around the moon last
[00:17:57.680] week and that wasn't just because of
[00:18:00.080] NASA, Rod. That was because of the
[00:18:02.440] vision that your father had and the
[00:18:04.720] torch that you have continued to carry.
[00:18:07.640] That the Artemis program was inspired by
[00:18:11.200] Star Trek.
[00:18:12.600] And I can tell you, while we use
[00:18:15.280] LOX, kerosene, oxygen for fuel, the real
[00:18:19.120] fuel that drives so many of us forward
[00:18:21.880] in the space industry is the vision of
[00:18:24.920] Star Trek. That is what carries us to
[00:18:27.040] the stars.
[00:18:28.200] When I was at NASA, I led the
[00:18:30.040] development of the Artemis Accords.
[00:18:33.760] And I took the name from Yeah, it sounds
[00:18:36.520] it sounds like you may know already.
[00:18:38.480] Uh, from the K't'inga Accords.
[00:18:40.240] Accords.
[00:18:41.640] But we didn't just take the name from
[00:18:43.080] Star Trek, we took the values of Star
[00:18:45.480] Trek in the Accords, which has now been
[00:18:47.760] signed by 61 nations.
[00:18:51.720] Are these countries, a third of the
[00:18:53.240] world, coming together
[00:18:55.760] to say that we want a future in space
[00:18:58.760] that is peaceful, that is transparent,
[00:19:02.520] where science is freely released, where
[00:19:05.400] we can be entrepreneurial, where we can
[00:19:07.480] be safe, where we will respect heritage
[00:19:10.680] and where we will cooperate. If there's
[00:19:13.760] anything more Star Trek than that, I
[00:19:16.200] don't know what it is. So, I thank you,
[00:19:18.360] Rod, and your legacy for creating that
[00:19:21.320] inspiration that then influenced
[00:19:23.840] reality.
[00:19:26.080] >> Well, I I I thank you for the those
[00:19:27.760] kudos. You know, my my father, um
[00:19:30.240] he was of course inspired by the authors
[00:19:32.480] of of his the the his generation. And
[00:19:36.480] had the opportunity correspond with
[00:19:38.160] Caltech and JPL while he was coming up
[00:19:40.960] with these ideas. And and it was really
[00:19:43.600] science
[00:19:45.080] and space that inspired him.
[00:19:47.120] So, you know, it's it's a cyclical
[00:19:48.640] thing. And um you telling me sort of the
[00:19:52.200] the the
[00:19:53.440] the bones of the accords there of the
[00:19:56.040] Artemis Accords
[00:19:58.040] that I love the fact that you said that
[00:19:59.760] is Star Trek because Star Trek
[00:20:02.320] Can you hear me?
[00:20:03.200] >> Yes, sorry. You were making a bones
[00:20:05.040] comment, so as a McCoy fan, I had to
[00:20:07.080] call it out.
[00:20:09.560] >> So, um I love the fact that you
[00:20:12.280] connected Star Trek with those values as
[00:20:14.520] opposed to just a science fiction TV
[00:20:16.480] show. And I I do really appreciate that,
[00:20:18.400] and I do believe in that as well. Um it
[00:20:20.720] is we do not have to have that exact
[00:20:23.160] future, but it's an excellent road map
[00:20:25.480] for us to follow.
[00:20:27.000] So, I I I I think the Artemis Accords
[00:20:29.800] are a phenomenal uh I don't want to say
[00:20:31.680] start, but continuation of trying to
[00:20:33.840] make the future a better place for all
[00:20:35.760] humanity.
[00:20:38.000] >> You know, um over the last since 2017
[00:20:40.360] when the New York Times came out with
[00:20:41.680] the article, you know, saying that we
[00:20:43.360] have been studying UAP and that there's
[00:20:45.640] a number of programs that have been held
[00:20:47.320] secret, but now uh at least one has been
[00:20:49.640] admitted. It's the largest UAP study
[00:20:52.080] that's acknowledged by our government in
[00:20:53.600] history. Then you see people testifying
[00:20:55.600] in front of Congress to direct and
[00:20:57.520] personal knowledge uh about the UAP
[00:20:59.960] reverse-engineering programs. And I'm
[00:21:01.520] I'm not saying that. That was testified
[00:21:03.040] to in Congress by David Grusch and
[00:21:05.280] others. And then you see these these
[00:21:07.040] videos that somehow make their way out
[00:21:08.920] into the wild. You know, as journalists
[00:21:10.840] we obtain and release things. And And
[00:21:12.280] the last one shows undeniably
[00:21:14.760] instantaneous acceleration. That wasn't
[00:21:16.840] my assessment of the video. That was our
[00:21:19.560] own um intelligence agency's
[00:21:21.200] investigation of that footage. You
[00:21:23.000] should all go look at that. But Rod,
[00:21:24.800] when you see all this coming forward,
[00:21:26.520] you know, it's not a matter of belief.
[00:21:28.120] It's either true or it's not true. There
[00:21:30.280] are machines that outpace, outmaneuver,
[00:21:32.520] and outperform anything that anybody in
[00:21:35.000] this room has created, right? Or it's
[00:21:37.800] not true.
[00:21:38.480] >> Yeah.
[00:21:38.960] >> The evidence seems to say that it is
[00:21:40.960] true, that somebody made, fabricated
[00:21:43.200] these vehicles, and we do capture them,
[00:21:45.600] and people have testified about it. So
[00:21:47.400] with all of that kind of, you know, put
[00:21:48.800] that in your pipe and smoke it, Rod. Do
[00:21:50.760] you feel
[00:21:52.240] Do you feel Would you be shocked if if
[00:21:54.640] indeed the UAP issue
[00:21:57.160] deals with hard physical craft that some
[00:21:59.360] people have known for a while, and that
[00:22:01.280] that is starting to percolate um to the
[00:22:03.120] surface. Would you be surprised in that
[00:22:05.000] revelation that, you know, we are not
[00:22:06.960] alone, and we have been visited, and
[00:22:08.880] it's on a continuous basis for a long
[00:22:10.640] time. Would that shock you?
[00:22:13.520] >> I'm I mean I mean you're using the word
[00:22:14.680] shock. No, I would be excited. I would
[00:22:16.880] be thrilled. I'd be like, "It's about
[00:22:18.600] time. Thank you for telling us. When can
[00:22:20.600] we meet them? When can we look at this
[00:22:21.960] stuff? When can we When can we have the
[00:22:23.920] information that you have?" Um and it's
[00:22:27.240] not that I need uh uh blueprints and and
[00:22:29.920] details. I just want to know that it's
[00:22:33.760] it's beyond a doubt anymore. Fact. And I
[00:22:37.560] know it is fact because you've seen the
[00:22:39.800] videos, but there's still that layer of
[00:22:41.880] the video. And And being a a skep Being
[00:22:44.520] a skeptic, I will be skeptical until I
[00:22:47.720] get to touch it myself. Um I'm not
[00:22:50.320] saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying I'm
[00:22:52.760] one degree away from saying it's 100%
[00:22:55.600] true.
[00:22:56.400] >> Can I go back to the Artemis Accords for
[00:22:58.640] a moment? One of the most important
[00:23:01.120] principles of the accords is
[00:23:02.440] transparency.
[00:23:04.000] And Jeremy, what you have been doing
[00:23:05.840] here on Earth is trying to make sure we
[00:23:08.160] have transparency
[00:23:09.840] on the UAP topic. Providing these
[00:23:13.720] videos,
[00:23:15.200] again, maybe we can't all touch it just
[00:23:16.960] like our Redwire cameras and can't all
[00:23:18.320] go to the moon, but seeing is believing.
[00:23:21.080] And I am so grateful to you and George
[00:23:23.240] Knapp and everyone you've been working
[00:23:25.400] with to bring this information forward
[00:23:29.000] not just to the public but to our
[00:23:30.280] members of Congress because this is a
[00:23:32.480] national security issue. If this is
[00:23:35.720] real, if something extraordinary is
[00:23:37.560] going on, and Secretary Rubio talked
[00:23:39.120] about this in age of disclosure, and we
[00:23:41.720] are not taking it seriously, that is a
[00:23:44.600] threat to us and a threat to our
[00:23:47.120] freedom. So, let's not make a lack of
[00:23:49.600] imagination turn into a lack of freedom.
[00:23:53.480] >> So, Rod, um, you know, I wanted to thank
[00:23:55.200] you for for just, you know, being here
[00:23:57.120] and always showing up um for your crazy
[00:23:59.000] buddy Jeremy. Um, if if you're talking
[00:24:01.480] to this audience here, people within the
[00:24:03.440] aerospace industry, you know, that that
[00:24:05.600] may have exposure to some of this stuff,
[00:24:07.680] um, do you have any message for them
[00:24:09.240] about their exploration in the years to
[00:24:11.600] come?
[00:24:14.040] >> Uh, wow, a message. Um, yeah, yeah,
[00:24:17.120] yeah, you know, I'm being put on the
[00:24:18.080] spot here.
[00:24:20.480] I'll tell you what, with all technology,
[00:24:22.920] whether it's uh terrestrial or beyond,
[00:24:25.960] um,
[00:24:26.800] you know, we
[00:24:28.760] we're we're our technology is
[00:24:30.280] exponentially increasing, but
[00:24:31.720] unfortunately on some parts of this
[00:24:33.920] planet and and the the US seems to have
[00:24:37.080] a good portion of this, our intellect is
[00:24:39.120] not. And so, what we do with the
[00:24:41.440] technology is the most important thing.
[00:24:44.520] And so, whatever they have access to,
[00:24:47.000] whatever they don't have access to,
[00:24:48.400] whatever they're creating, whatever
[00:24:49.560] they're developing,
[00:24:51.160] um,
[00:24:51.920] there is this balance of of let us know,
[00:24:55.880] give us our freedom, tell us it exists,
[00:24:59.040] but maybe some things shouldn't be in
[00:25:02.080] our possession just yet.
[00:25:04.200] Um so I I I have mixed feelings on it. I
[00:25:06.280] don't know if that's a message, but it's
[00:25:09.280] it's um
[00:25:11.000] Please please let us know it exists, but
[00:25:13.720] I'm not saying I need to have one in my
[00:25:15.480] backyard yet.
[00:25:17.920] >> So it's not often I get to talk to Rod
[00:25:19.720] Roddenberry. So Rod, again, thank you,
[00:25:22.080] but I have to ask you a question.
[00:25:24.640] Uh with Strange New Worlds having
[00:25:26.400] wrapped, uh with Starfleet Academy
[00:25:28.280] finished, kind of at a crossroads for
[00:25:30.560] Star Trek, what do you hope to see the
[00:25:33.640] future of the Star Trek franchise be?
[00:25:38.520] >> Oh, that's a that's a great question.
[00:25:40.360] You know, I I
[00:25:42.280] So I can just tell you the kind of Star
[00:25:43.920] Trek I like. I like the Star Trek that
[00:25:46.280] that presents a situation and makes you
[00:25:49.000] consider a slightly different point of
[00:25:51.200] view that you hadn't really considered
[00:25:52.640] before. And where it sneaks it into the
[00:25:54.840] story,
[00:25:56.000] it's not thrust into your face, but you
[00:25:58.760] get to see another point of view, which
[00:26:01.000] challenges your own point of view, even
[00:26:03.760] just a little bit. And every time our
[00:26:06.480] knowledge base every time we're
[00:26:08.400] challenged a little bit, we grow
[00:26:10.360] intellectually,
[00:26:12.320] uh emotionally,
[00:26:14.040] um and and that is the most important
[00:26:15.680] thing to life is for us to grow and
[00:26:17.600] evolve. And so when Star Trek does that,
[00:26:19.960] and I'm making Star Trek sound so
[00:26:21.440] academic, of course it needs to have a
[00:26:23.760] great story. Of course it needs to have
[00:26:26.160] action and adventure and great
[00:26:27.680] characters. Um but with all of that, it
[00:26:31.800] it really should just make you look at
[00:26:33.320] something, tilt your head a bit, and
[00:26:34.520] say, "You know what? I never thought of
[00:26:35.680] it that way." That is what I'm looking
[00:26:37.520] for in future Star Trek. And I'll tell
[00:26:40.040] you what, I I I hate to promote another
[00:26:42.200] show. I mean, of course I've I've seen
[00:26:43.720] Hail Mary, you know, three times now,
[00:26:46.200] and that is a great example of science
[00:26:48.480] fiction that's science fiction. It's not
[00:26:50.680] popcorn science fiction. It is science
[00:26:53.040] fiction that's believable and it's about
[00:26:55.640] characters and it's about friendship.
[00:26:57.440] It's it it doesn't dwell on having a bad
[00:27:00.000] guy. It doesn't dwell on just the
[00:27:01.640] action.
[00:27:02.960] Um that is great storytelling. So,
[00:27:06.280] I want great Star Trek storytelling that
[00:27:08.600] makes you consider different points of
[00:27:10.760] view.
[00:27:11.200] >> I thought Project Hail Mary was a great
[00:27:13.480] Star Trek film. It's why I saw it twice.
[00:27:17.400] >> I I I don't want Star Trek to take
[00:27:19.000] credit for it by any stretch, but Star
[00:27:20.960] Trek needs to be doing that kind of
[00:27:22.920] science fiction in my opinion.
[00:27:25.000] >> Well, Rod, thank you so much for joining
[00:27:26.640] us today. I really appreciate you uh
[00:27:28.440] just showing up and talking to us. I
[00:27:29.800] know Mike's obviously a a big fan, but I
[00:27:31.840] think a lot of people here are also. So,
[00:27:33.560] thanks for jumping in.
[00:27:34.800] >> Live long and prosper.
[00:27:36.320] >> I could be there everyone. I I'm I
[00:27:38.040] definitely want to come next year if I'm
[00:27:39.320] allowed.
[00:27:40.920] >> I think I think you'll be allowed. We're
[00:27:42.200] saving you a seat.
[00:27:43.520] >> All right, buddy. I'll talk to you soon.
[00:27:44.720] >> Awesome.
[00:27:46.280] Live long and prosper everyone.
[00:27:47.640] >> Thank you.
[00:27:48.600] >> So, one question I have to have about
[00:27:51.000] Rod Roddenberry, I know the answer but
[00:27:52.600] our audience won't. How is it that you
[00:27:54.440] guys were pals? I mean, I'm would
[00:27:56.200] imagine that the neighborhood that he
[00:27:57.920] had in in LA or Beverly Hills was kind
[00:28:00.560] of you know, upper class.
[00:28:03.080] What were you doing in that
[00:28:03.920] neighborhood?
[00:28:04.520] >> You right, right. They're letting me in
[00:28:05.880] like the space conference. So, I you
[00:28:07.840] know, Rod Roddenberry went to the same
[00:28:09.920] high school and actually he started the
[00:28:12.080] jiu-jitsu club with my older brother. It
[00:28:15.000] was called Harvard-Westlake School and
[00:28:17.320] they started training together. I was
[00:28:18.520] like the young kid, but they let me come
[00:28:20.040] train. I used to skip to go train at
[00:28:22.600] that high school way before I went there
[00:28:24.960] and um so, Rod Roddenberry was kind of
[00:28:27.200] like an older brother to me with my
[00:28:28.800] older brother and they would um they
[00:28:30.480] were the first like black belts in that
[00:28:32.160] system. So, we actually got a black belt
[00:28:34.320] from through the same jiu-jitsu system.
[00:28:36.200] So, our friendship was always based upon
[00:28:38.600] jiu-jitsu and our training together.
[00:28:40.200] Same with Jules Urbach, luminary in the
[00:28:43.360] AI and artificial intelligence field. Um
[00:28:46.280] so, that's how I know Rod and it was
[00:28:48.400] really fun. We got a lot of great
[00:28:49.600] stories of partying together when we
[00:28:50.960] were young.
[00:28:51.880] >> Okay, I'm going to need some of those.
[00:28:53.360] I'm going to need to hear some of those.
[00:28:54.600] But, yeah, we got to meet him last year.
[00:28:56.360] He invited invited us to an event in in
[00:28:58.840] LA. That was also very cool and seems
[00:29:01.280] like just like his dad, he has great
[00:29:03.120] vision and great imagination.
[00:29:05.000] >> Yeah, he's a really good dude.
[00:29:06.760] >> I think in UFO world, this might be the
[00:29:08.960] most significant event that happened at
[00:29:11.120] that space symposium and that is David
[00:29:13.640] Grusch.
[00:29:14.640] The public has been demanding, "Hey,
[00:29:16.000] let's hear from David Grusch." We've
[00:29:17.800] pestered him forever about coming on
[00:29:19.400] Weaponized. It hasn't happened until
[00:29:21.600] now. And he participated in this.
[00:29:24.360] Had some really powerful things to say
[00:29:26.320] about the state of events in UAP UFO
[00:29:29.520] world and what might come next. Um
[00:29:32.240] That must have been hard to kind of
[00:29:33.320] twist his arm a little bit to get him to
[00:29:35.120] be part of that even though he's worked
[00:29:37.080] in sort of the space sector
[00:29:39.800] as an intelligence guy for a very long
[00:29:41.640] time, right?
[00:29:43.000] >> Yeah, David Grusch has a really rich
[00:29:44.840] history, professional history that I
[00:29:47.000] think people kind of bypass. You know,
[00:29:49.560] him coming out like a Sirocco. I mean,
[00:29:51.600] it it it's it's amazing that you get
[00:29:53.560] somebody like that who breaks from the
[00:29:55.280] fold. If you remember in Huntsville,
[00:29:56.600] Alabama, the first time he came up and
[00:29:58.680] leaned over to you at the bar, I
[00:30:00.480] happened to be filming and he was
[00:30:02.320] basically saying, "Here is my ICIG
[00:30:04.680] complaint." Showed it to you. He's like,
[00:30:06.560] "I'm coming forward. I got to do this."
[00:30:09.320] And he was checking with you about you
[00:30:11.160] know, what does this mean? What's going
[00:30:12.520] to happen to me when I do this? You
[00:30:14.320] know, because you've been through this a
[00:30:15.800] lot all the way from Lazar all the way
[00:30:17.840] back. So, him coming forward, it it was
[00:30:20.520] his peers. You know, he's speaking to
[00:30:22.480] the space industry and
[00:30:25.120] he had some very powerful words. If
[00:30:27.720] people look at what he said and they
[00:30:29.920] really decipher it, he was giving some
[00:30:31.800] hints there about kind of what's
[00:30:33.960] happened and where this is going.
[00:30:36.000] >> Yeah, I would it's powerful stuff. So,
[00:30:37.640] let's jump right into it. We can talk on
[00:30:39.400] the other side. Our next guest is
[00:30:41.760] somebody I want him to introduce himself
[00:30:43.720] to you because of his career and what
[00:30:45.840] he's done.
[00:30:47.160] But famously it's David Grusch. He came
[00:30:49.560] in front of Congress and he broke from
[00:30:51.240] the mold.
[00:30:52.520] He is not He is an honest person. He
[00:30:55.120] didn't take that choice lightly. He came
[00:30:57.000] to George Knapp and me years before he
[00:30:58.640] went public. And we know we're debating
[00:31:00.600] is it good for his
[00:31:02.360] for his life. And and and no, he did it
[00:31:05.080] because he believed it was the right
[00:31:06.360] thing to do. So hopefully all the
[00:31:08.120] technology is working well. You're
[00:31:10.080] you're going to get a little talk here
[00:31:11.400] from from David Grusch. Are you guys
[00:31:12.800] aware of who David Grusch is?
[00:31:14.880] Yeah, he's in in this industry for a
[00:31:16.320] long time. So I think we got him right
[00:31:18.400] here. Can you see and hear us
[00:31:20.680] David Grusch? Can you see and hear us?
[00:31:23.800] >> I do see you guys. Can you hear me?
[00:31:25.520] >> Magic, the technology is working. So
[00:31:28.000] this is my good friend, a guy that I
[00:31:29.600] really admire. I'm David Grusch. David,
[00:31:31.680] do you have like a a few minutes kind of
[00:31:33.040] give us a little breakdown of why you're
[00:31:35.000] talking with us here today then we'll
[00:31:36.200] ask you some questions.
[00:31:39.040] >> Sure, yes. Thanks for the opportunity
[00:31:41.080] Jeremy
[00:31:42.120] and my goal as well. Ironically before
[00:31:45.760] the topic of my great public infamy, I
[00:31:47.880] actually spent 15 years in the space
[00:31:51.240] intelligence community. Some people in
[00:31:53.160] the audience I may have worked with in
[00:31:55.160] the past or or whatnot in certain
[00:31:57.480] assignments. But
[00:31:59.080] I spent 15 years in this in the intel
[00:32:01.000] community before becoming a professional
[00:32:02.640] staff member for Congress. That being
[00:32:05.400] said, my opinions are on my own not of
[00:32:09.520] of Congress. But I served in the Air
[00:32:11.880] Force and our own NGA as a senior
[00:32:13.920] intelligence officer. And ironically I
[00:32:16.280] was also the former intelligence
[00:32:17.800] integration division chief for the space
[00:32:21.080] security and defense program here in
[00:32:23.160] Colorado Springs as well about a decade
[00:32:25.760] ago. And I spent many many years
[00:32:28.640] providing counter intelligence and
[00:32:30.800] program protection support on the X-37B
[00:32:34.680] orbital test vehicle. So I have a great
[00:32:37.640] experience in test, worked on a lot of
[00:32:39.920] space programs, worked on a lot of
[00:32:41.600] offensive cyber programs, and uh
[00:32:44.640] uh classified ISR programs. But, of most
[00:32:48.160] significance to the topic we're going to
[00:32:49.680] discuss today, um in my last assignment
[00:32:52.880] during the IC,
[00:32:54.520] I dealt with a transmedium threats and
[00:32:56.520] unknown uh anomalous activity in our
[00:32:59.000] skies, in our space domain, and and
[00:33:01.760] undersea. So, uh I believe we're
[00:33:05.040] entering in an era in which, you know,
[00:33:06.920] most consequential threats may not
[00:33:09.040] present themselves in familiar ways. Um
[00:33:11.560] some will present unique signatures,
[00:33:13.840] some will maneuver in non-standard ways,
[00:33:17.040] some will exploit transitions across our
[00:33:19.400] airspace and upper atmospheric
[00:33:21.520] environments so that our legacy kind of
[00:33:23.560] sensor and analytical constructs still
[00:33:26.600] street, you know, treat us as separate
[00:33:28.200] problems. And I know that's something
[00:33:29.520] that the Golden Dome program, which is
[00:33:31.840] the president's priority, is is trying
[00:33:33.480] to tackle.
[00:33:34.720] Um
[00:33:35.840] but because of some of these
[00:33:38.920] uh advanced UAS and anomalous
[00:33:41.000] detections, you know, has changed our
[00:33:42.720] threat picture, and certainly uh the
[00:33:45.360] intelligence community is aware of this,
[00:33:47.040] and there were, you know, legacy
[00:33:48.680] programs tackling this in in I'll call
[00:33:50.880] it rice bowls or stovepipes. And a lot
[00:33:54.040] of that data was not shared with me and
[00:33:56.160] my team at NGA,
[00:33:58.080] uh and ironically, uh not even with the
[00:34:01.160] the arrow office that's currently been
[00:34:03.440] instantiated at the Pentagon that tried
[00:34:05.800] to tackle this issue from a over
[00:34:08.720] perspective.
[00:34:10.520] So, all I wanted to really, you know,
[00:34:12.280] talk about and we can obviously have a
[00:34:13.639] discussion
[00:34:15.120] um
[00:34:15.840] after I, you know, mention this, but
[00:34:17.399] it's just
[00:34:18.480] whether the source is, you know, pure
[00:34:19.879] adversary breakthrough, some sort of
[00:34:22.040] unacknowledged platform, or uh genuinely
[00:34:25.639] unresolved signature sets, you know, the
[00:34:27.480] strategic requirement's still going to
[00:34:28.919] be the same, and and that's persistent
[00:34:31.080] sensing, uh rapid attribution, our
[00:34:33.760] resilient networks and decision quality
[00:34:35.360] data machine speed are really going to
[00:34:36.840] be needed to affect this problem set in
[00:34:39.919] the future so we reduce strategic
[00:34:42.000] surprise
[00:34:44.080] and help build our space enabled defense
[00:34:46.040] architecture worthy of the threat
[00:34:47.440] environment and likely the scientific
[00:34:49.720] discovery ahead now that the president
[00:34:52.159] you know has promised back in February
[00:34:53.960] to release all we know on some of these
[00:34:56.919] anomalous signature sets and see the
[00:34:58.920] things that we've
[00:35:00.560] recovered and exploited over the last
[00:35:02.440] couple decades.
[00:35:04.560] >> Yeah, you know, I I love it when you're
[00:35:06.840] talking about this it's very
[00:35:08.520] matter-of-fact. You did come forward.
[00:35:10.920] You blew the whistle. You really broke
[00:35:12.800] from the mold. You know, what was your
[00:35:14.400] motivation to do that? Why did you feel
[00:35:16.760] that this was such an important topic
[00:35:18.800] that the average person needed to tune
[00:35:20.600] into is there a reason that we need to
[00:35:22.600] know this now and that you're fighting
[00:35:24.280] so hard right now with Congress to get
[00:35:26.000] this information out to the public?
[00:35:30.000] >> Yeah, having spent 15 years in the IC at
[00:35:32.160] the highest levels, you know, handled
[00:35:33.480] the presidential daily brief. I was
[00:35:35.000] cleared to most you know, DOD special
[00:35:36.880] access programs.
[00:35:38.760] I saw a sharing issue amongst that
[00:35:42.120] ecosystem but also a 9/11 like
[00:35:45.200] intelligence sharing problem where there
[00:35:47.200] were certain centers of excellence that
[00:35:49.720] were sequestering this information and
[00:35:51.960] the government was starting to spend
[00:35:53.400] capital on this problem set overtly but
[00:35:55.760] it turned out the government had you
[00:35:57.720] know, decades and decades of information
[00:36:01.160] and you know, recovered FMA FME'd
[00:36:04.120] material and I thought that was a huge
[00:36:06.280] issue and it once again it wasn't being
[00:36:08.400] reported to Congress. So back in 2022 I
[00:36:11.800] went to the ICIG with people that worked
[00:36:15.440] on those programs to blow the whistle
[00:36:17.840] and I subsequently briefed you know, the
[00:36:19.800] Senate and House intelligence committees
[00:36:22.280] in a classified environment and a
[00:36:24.120] compartmented environments on those
[00:36:26.000] details.
[00:36:27.240] >> And and so if this is such a matter of
[00:36:29.760] fact and you've really fought and put
[00:36:31.680] your own
[00:36:32.920] you know person you know kind of on the
[00:36:35.320] on the line here
[00:36:37.880] I What I What I want to understand from
[00:36:39.600] you is basically like
[00:36:41.160] it is important now that this comes
[00:36:42.880] forward but like what is your hope? What
[00:36:44.960] is your hope? Is it integration of this
[00:36:46.960] knowledge into everyday society? What is
[00:36:49.480] your hope right now and are you
[00:36:50.920] optimistic from everything that you've
[00:36:52.360] done over the last few years?
[00:36:55.880] >> Yeah, I think there should be a public
[00:36:57.080] acknowledgement strategy. Some of that
[00:36:58.640] needs to come from the White House in
[00:36:59.960] terms of how much that we acknowledge
[00:37:02.240] and reveal to the public but I would
[00:37:04.000] like to see greater integration with
[00:37:06.600] this problem set
[00:37:08.440] in our architectures. A lot of it was
[00:37:11.600] we'll call it hidden in an in an onion
[00:37:13.640] fashion in a lot of the space
[00:37:15.400] architectures a lot of the people in the
[00:37:16.920] audience are familiar with both
[00:37:18.840] classified and you know over white side
[00:37:22.000] space world but we need to be better
[00:37:24.360] stewards of the taxpayer money and
[00:37:26.080] actually overtly integrate this add this
[00:37:29.320] to the national intelligence priority
[00:37:30.800] framework list and it actually task our
[00:37:34.560] analytical centers overtly whether it be
[00:37:37.160] NASIC, DI MISIC, etc.
[00:37:40.240] on this so we build a
[00:37:42.320] informed larger cadre of people tackling
[00:37:44.760] this issue
[00:37:46.880] because it is very interesting and and
[00:37:50.640] you know there's some stigma behind it
[00:37:52.000] but I would like to see the greater
[00:37:53.760] integration so we're just better
[00:37:55.200] stewards of the taxpayer money.
[00:37:57.520] >> Hey David, it's Mike Gold and first and
[00:38:00.040] foremost I just want to say from a
[00:38:02.200] former government official to another
[00:38:04.880] thank you. Thank you for being such a
[00:38:06.880] champion for transparency,
[00:38:09.240] for accountability,
[00:38:10.920] and for being willing to be a martyr on
[00:38:12.920] this for taking all the slings and
[00:38:14.760] arrows that you have gotten which I know
[00:38:16.960] are absolutely non-trivial. So first and
[00:38:19.960] foremost thank you.
[00:38:21.880] We're here at the National Space
[00:38:23.440] Symposium, and we have a lot of people
[00:38:26.320] in uniform around, lot of conversations
[00:38:28.760] about national security. I'd love to
[00:38:31.320] hear your thoughts about how
[00:38:34.640] the cover-up, how the lack of
[00:38:37.480] transparency, how the lack of
[00:38:39.000] information represents a national
[00:38:41.720] security threat to the US, and how you
[00:38:45.160] think this issue impacts national
[00:38:47.360] security, both how it can be negative
[00:38:49.720] and how we could improve national
[00:38:51.560] security if we were more transparent,
[00:38:54.720] and if we were able to get top people
[00:38:57.040] working on these issues.
[00:39:00.920] >> Yeah, I mean, the the simple impact this
[00:39:02.640] is a security stovepiping, and that
[00:39:04.360] should be of no surprise with a lot of
[00:39:06.000] people in the audience uh that have been
[00:39:08.120] in the the special access program or
[00:39:09.920] controlled access program environments.
[00:39:12.120] You know, I had a lot of very senior
[00:39:13.480] friends of mine saying, "Hey Dave, why
[00:39:15.640] am I not briefed that this exists? You
[00:39:17.680] know, I should know." And that's And
[00:39:19.280] that's a big problem. In positions I've
[00:39:21.560] had, you know, uh
[00:39:24.000] at the, you know, NRO
[00:39:26.440] operations center, space security
[00:39:28.480] defense program, working for the Joint
[00:39:30.840] Chiefs, working at NGA as kind of the
[00:39:33.160] UAP transmedium issue lead, you know, I
[00:39:35.680] had the need to know to be, you know,
[00:39:37.200] fully cleared into those programs. And,
[00:39:39.760] you know, politics and personalities and
[00:39:41.520] rice bowl kind of mentality, you know,
[00:39:43.400] blocked uh our access as a team for the
[00:39:46.040] most part, and I think that that really
[00:39:49.200] hurts us, like I was saying earlier,
[00:39:51.440] where we should be leveraging um you
[00:39:53.800] know, national overhead enterprise and
[00:39:55.600] and other parts of our national
[00:39:57.240] intelligence enterprise on this topic,
[00:39:59.400] but we use it, you know, in secret, on
[00:40:02.240] the down low, the night job of a certain
[00:40:04.880] analyst at NASIC who also works for the
[00:40:08.000] the legacy program that's also analyzing
[00:40:10.160] this stuff without telling his boss.
[00:40:12.080] That's essentially um how the program
[00:40:14.560] has um
[00:40:16.480] you know, dealt with this over the time
[00:40:18.160] and I just think that that's a real
[00:40:19.840] travesty and I think
[00:40:22.280] being able to overtly integrate it in
[00:40:24.240] our architecture also prevents
[00:40:26.640] false flag issues. So, there was
[00:40:28.120] actually a famous 1971 treaty between
[00:40:31.080] the USSR and the US. You can look it up.
[00:40:33.800] It's unclassified.
[00:40:35.480] It was signed in September 1971 and
[00:40:37.760] you'll see article 3, they were worried
[00:40:39.960] about the UAP problem set triggering
[00:40:42.520] nuclear escalation because of the
[00:40:45.080] misidentification of anomalous activity
[00:40:47.120] near NC3 assets. And so, I think that'll
[00:40:51.200] de-escalate possible geopolitical issues
[00:40:53.960] if we overtly bring out the topic as
[00:40:55.640] well. That's kind of a more prosaic,
[00:40:57.400] unexpected, you know, second order
[00:41:00.080] consequence of more transparency.
[00:41:02.280] >> You know, David, if you're a weaponized
[00:41:04.120] regular listener, which I am, you'll
[00:41:06.720] always see optimism from my friend here,
[00:41:09.160] Jeremy, and pessimism from George Knapp.
[00:41:13.040] To me, we've made amazing progress in a
[00:41:15.160] relatively short of time. Again, because
[00:41:16.960] of people like you and your courage,
[00:41:18.800] David. Just the fact that there were
[00:41:20.920] congressional hearings, I think was
[00:41:22.960] extraordinary and helps push back
[00:41:24.760] against the stigma. So, here we are now.
[00:41:27.800] We've got a statement from the President
[00:41:29.960] of the United States. We have the
[00:41:32.400] Secretary of State talking about this
[00:41:34.640] issue publicly in age of disclosure.
[00:41:37.320] We've got the DNI talking about it in
[00:41:40.200] her confirmation hearing. 49 files have
[00:41:43.480] been identified in part due to your
[00:41:45.000] wonderful work. What do you think
[00:41:46.880] happens next, David? What what are your
[00:41:48.640] hopes, particularly for the near term in
[00:41:51.080] this year, next year? What do you think
[00:41:53.280] that will happen that could move us
[00:41:54.720] forward? What do you think needs to
[00:41:56.120] happen?
[00:41:58.200] >> Yes, certainly Secretary Rubio was a
[00:42:00.000] recipient of all the classified
[00:42:01.480] information I handed over when I was in
[00:42:03.800] in the intelligence community through
[00:42:05.800] the ICIG.
[00:42:07.880] Secretary Rubio is very well informed.
[00:42:10.000] Um, would recommend the
[00:42:12.520] White House interface with the
[00:42:14.560] President's Intelligence Advisory Board.
[00:42:16.360] Mr. Devin Nunes is the chair and
[00:42:18.480] actually concoct a plan
[00:42:20.520] with the cabinet based on the breakdown
[00:42:23.080] of different mission areas that each
[00:42:24.480] cabinet member will have to deal with in
[00:42:25.960] this issue to include, you know, public
[00:42:28.120] health concerns and HHS to include, you
[00:42:30.360] know, national security defense concerns
[00:42:31.880] with Tulsi Gabbard and and Pete Hegseth.
[00:42:34.240] And I think we'll get, you know, a basic
[00:42:36.080] affirmation
[00:42:37.760] um
[00:42:38.520] to to meet the President's intent based
[00:42:40.360] on his his tweet back in in February.
[00:42:44.000] Will it be everything the public
[00:42:46.000] wants? I don't know. I'll certainly be
[00:42:47.760] an advocate for that and I know Congress
[00:42:50.640] um strongly wants the executive branch
[00:42:53.080] to come clean with with everything it
[00:42:54.920] knows and I know the the members, you
[00:42:57.000] know, I support to include Congressman
[00:42:58.960] Eric Burlison who'll be speaking here
[00:43:00.280] earlier or later, excuse me,
[00:43:02.880] um
[00:43:03.600] will be pushing for that. So, I think
[00:43:05.160] they'll be the legislative branch kind
[00:43:07.040] of counter balancing whatever the
[00:43:08.240] executive does to kind of ensure we we
[00:43:10.760] achieve the transparency that the
[00:43:12.120] American public uh wants. I certainly
[00:43:14.920] have advised the administration over the
[00:43:16.480] last year or so
[00:43:18.160] um and spent a lot of time with, you
[00:43:19.640] know, high-level officials working for
[00:43:20.920] the President to try to uh provide my
[00:43:23.520] sage advice on it and I'll leave that at
[00:43:25.280] that just to keep confidences in some of
[00:43:27.480] my uh sensitive conversations.
[00:43:29.880] Uh but uh I hope for the best and I
[00:43:32.320] think there's a high expectation for the
[00:43:34.360] President to deliver and I think if he
[00:43:36.080] does reveal everything that I was I came
[00:43:39.040] in contact with, he's going to go down
[00:43:41.160] in history as um a great figure
[00:43:43.520] historically regardless of your
[00:43:45.400] political persuasion and personal
[00:43:47.240] opinion of the President.
[00:43:50.120] >> So, yeah, I guess kind of final
[00:43:51.600] question. Our audience is not just going
[00:43:53.560] to be people here. It's going to be
[00:43:54.520] millions of people outside of here when
[00:43:56.800] we release this episode. Just in plain
[00:43:59.080] English for those people, what do you
[00:44:00.760] want people to understand from your
[00:44:02.560] experience about UAP, about the
[00:44:04.960] presence, the UAP presence here on
[00:44:07.840] planet Earth. I mean, straight up, what
[00:44:09.680] do you want people to know, David
[00:44:11.360] Grusch?
[00:44:14.480] >> Yours truly anomalous signatures in the
[00:44:16.200] skies, the US government understands it
[00:44:19.160] represents a form of sentient non-human
[00:44:22.840] intelligence. I know that sounds very
[00:44:24.360] Star Trek, ala you know, Gene
[00:44:26.440] Roddenberry and Rod's dad's sci-fi
[00:44:28.840] series, but it is true.
[00:44:31.760] And I I want you know, the American
[00:44:33.920] public to be comforted that the the
[00:44:36.000] universe is
[00:44:38.000] teeming with life, it seems and readily
[00:44:41.640] you know, able to be explored and the US
[00:44:44.080] government does have a lot of
[00:44:45.720] information that I think will inspire
[00:44:48.440] Gen Alpha and Gen Z and the American
[00:44:50.560] populace at large and
[00:44:53.120] it will be a new era. It'll be a little
[00:44:54.680] uncomfortable, there'll be some truths
[00:44:56.360] that are be a hard pill to swallow, but
[00:44:58.040] I think it's ultimately a good thing to
[00:45:00.720] get this out there and I think
[00:45:02.880] the people of the world and the American
[00:45:04.240] public will be very
[00:45:05.800] happy to
[00:45:08.160] um
[00:45:08.800] understand their place in the universe,
[00:45:10.160] so to speak, without sounding too much
[00:45:11.800] like Carl Sagan.
[00:45:13.160] >> Well, I want to thank you so much. Um,
[00:45:14.480] you know, we've known each other for
[00:45:15.480] years. You've taken a lot of hits on
[00:45:16.920] this subject. You've really, you know,
[00:45:18.280] put yourself out there. You're fighting
[00:45:19.640] behind the scenes as well as, you know,
[00:45:21.720] doing things like this. So, I just want
[00:45:23.160] to thank you for what you've done for
[00:45:25.360] this topic and for the truth and you've
[00:45:27.320] really put it on the line and we all
[00:45:28.680] support you and I I know we're going to
[00:45:30.680] see good things as we move forward. So,
[00:45:32.440] just thank you so much, David Grusch. I
[00:45:33.840] really appreciate you being here with us
[00:45:35.600] today.
[00:45:36.000] >> Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Let's
[00:45:37.080] have a round of applause for David
[00:45:38.320] Grusch.
[00:45:40.120] >> Thanks, brother.
[00:45:41.040] >> Thanks, guys.
[00:45:41.920] >> So, to me, a couple of things stood out.
[00:45:44.720] One is him saying flat out to this
[00:45:46.640] audience and I don't know how many of
[00:45:48.200] them who were there knew who David
[00:45:50.360] Grusch was or the significance of him
[00:45:52.520] being part of this event, but I'm sure
[00:45:54.320] they knew by the end of his presentation
[00:45:56.320] there. Him saying that, you know, he was
[00:45:58.200] talking about transmedium craft of
[00:46:01.520] unknown origin
[00:46:03.080] that sort of that we're seeing in space
[00:46:05.640] in our skies in the water and all those
[00:46:07.720] domains and they change the whole
[00:46:09.960] dynamic of what a threat might be going
[00:46:12.320] forward not necessarily hostile but how
[00:46:14.840] they could interfere with our ability to
[00:46:17.440] carry out space programs and space
[00:46:19.520] exploration and having labs and things
[00:46:22.240] in in the um
[00:46:24.000] you know near Earth orbit kind of thing.
[00:46:26.920] >> Yeah, everybody was very hip to the idea
[00:46:29.680] of all domain awareness and all domain
[00:46:32.440] main protection. You could tell in
[00:46:35.120] talking with anybody at that conference
[00:46:36.720] with just what they were selling what
[00:46:38.040] they were pitching was new technologies
[00:46:40.640] new software new hardware to protect all
[00:46:43.640] domains. So when David Grusch comes out
[00:46:45.320] and talks about transmedium there wasn't
[00:46:47.120] a single person that didn't understand
[00:46:49.240] what he was saying and I will say
[00:46:51.480] everybody knew who he was. We when
[00:46:53.480] you're in the booth and you're on the
[00:46:55.000] stage and you look at like usually
[00:46:57.000] people just kind of pass by and it's a
[00:46:58.760] casual thing where they're watching.
[00:47:00.600] When they saw weaponize was going to be
[00:47:02.160] there with like David Grusch it just
[00:47:04.440] flooded it flooded everybody was there.
[00:47:06.520] So people knew who he was and they
[00:47:08.320] wanted to hear what he had to say and
[00:47:09.600] that luckily it's recorded so the whole
[00:47:11.400] world can hear it now.
[00:47:13.160] >> Yeah, people in this audience they build
[00:47:15.240] the most sophisticated space technology
[00:47:18.040] aerospace technology that exists on
[00:47:20.560] planet Earth. They know it's not ours.
[00:47:23.000] So when David Grusch says this is not
[00:47:24.560] us.
[00:47:25.560] They know.
[00:47:26.280] >> Right? Yeah.
[00:47:27.240] Absolutely absolutely there was no
[00:47:28.840] question. I mean it's it's such a unique
[00:47:31.240] people to be around and people felt you
[00:47:33.560] know that without breaking any oaths or
[00:47:35.320] stepping over any lines there was a lot
[00:47:37.400] of encouragement coming and also you
[00:47:40.280] know when they heard David was was
[00:47:41.760] speaking
[00:47:42.960] they did they knew who he was and people
[00:47:45.280] packed in.
[00:47:46.920] >> Couple of things that he said that might
[00:47:48.400] have gone over some heads but he
[00:47:49.880] mentions very quickly that AARO was not
[00:47:52.880] in the loop for everything that they
[00:47:54.640] were on on outside looking in which must
[00:47:56.560] have really pissed him off. He said, um
[00:47:59.560] he mentioned things that we have
[00:48:01.720] recovered over the past several decades.
[00:48:05.320] Pretty big clue right there that he
[00:48:07.840] still maintains we have recovered craft
[00:48:10.440] and discs of unknown origin. And he
[00:48:12.480] mentioned the 1971 treaty that the USA
[00:48:16.200] and the USSR had
[00:48:17.960] uh to prevent a misidentification of UAP
[00:48:22.520] um and stop that from becoming perceived
[00:48:25.680] as a potential attack on either country
[00:48:28.320] where World War III could erupt as a
[00:48:30.720] result. Pretty good stuff.
[00:48:32.880] >> Yeah, and it's it's actually you
[00:48:34.320] reported on that, you know, a long time
[00:48:36.320] ago, which is that there were issues
[00:48:38.600] with unknowns coming into these
[00:48:40.920] territories and we were really worried
[00:48:42.840] about a nuclear war between uh US and
[00:48:45.240] Russia. And and you've reported many
[00:48:47.360] times on this that that we did have a
[00:48:49.280] treaty, that we did have an
[00:48:50.600] understanding. You speak with anybody
[00:48:52.720] from Lawrence Livermore back in the '80s
[00:48:54.920] during the height of the Cold War, if
[00:48:56.400] they're working on anything nuclear or
[00:48:58.240] low nuclear reaction, they called it,
[00:49:00.520] you know, which is cold fusion now,
[00:49:02.200] there was a red phone on the wall and
[00:49:04.160] they would have a direct counterpart
[00:49:05.640] over to Russia. So, there was
[00:49:07.600] understanding that um these are not
[00:49:10.120] ours, they're not yours, and we
[00:49:12.040] shouldn't react to them in a in a
[00:49:14.800] kind of hasty way.
[00:49:16.240] >> Uh watching the exchange between you and
[00:49:18.480] he
[00:49:19.640] made me write down a thousand questions
[00:49:22.280] that I still want to ask him about what
[00:49:24.400] his life has been like since then. You
[00:49:26.000] know, you and I communicate with Dave on
[00:49:27.640] a fairly regular basis. It's private.
[00:49:29.760] These communications are private. We
[00:49:31.440] know what challenges he's faced as a
[00:49:33.800] result of having the courage to come
[00:49:35.360] forward. I'd love to talk to him again
[00:49:37.480] and have a heart-to-heart in person
[00:49:39.320] sometime, so
[00:49:41.080] we're going to have to work on that.
[00:49:42.400] >> Yeah, I mean, look, he came to you first
[00:49:44.200] for a reason, you know, that there's a
[00:49:45.960] reason why he came forward um to you
[00:49:48.720] before he went public. And I think we
[00:49:50.560] gave him good guidance with it all. but
[00:49:52.360] yeah, we talked to him and you know,
[00:49:54.320] even just today, you know, you saw Rep.
[00:49:56.800] Burchett
[00:49:57.520] went out and talked about
[00:50:00.160] a suspicious death and and this is a
[00:50:02.560] real deal situation here. You know, an
[00:50:05.200] individual who was supposed to come
[00:50:07.200] testify to Congress who must have had
[00:50:09.560] really good access to the legacy
[00:50:11.360] programs, you know, I would assume from
[00:50:13.400] a technological standpoint
[00:50:15.640] um
[00:50:17.120] is dead and that is an issue and
[00:50:20.240] Congress has brought it up. FBI is
[00:50:22.640] involved with that. You know, right now
[00:50:24.320] with all these missing scientists and
[00:50:25.680] everything or dead scientists,
[00:50:27.960] there are some that are in that category
[00:50:29.520] that that shouldn't be from my
[00:50:30.800] perspective. I happen to know some
[00:50:32.720] specifics,
[00:50:34.240] but there are some that it is obviously
[00:50:36.960] a really important situation. FBI is
[00:50:38.880] directly involved. Like I'm getting
[00:50:40.880] right now a text from a friend of mine
[00:50:42.720] who's being questioned, you know, not
[00:50:45.440] for involvement, but just for what did
[00:50:47.840] you know about these claims, you know.
[00:50:50.440] So so this is a situation Congress is
[00:50:52.440] taking very seriously. Now you've heard
[00:50:54.400] a new name and Rep. Burchett put that
[00:50:56.360] out. I would
[00:50:58.440] I would say that that is an important
[00:51:01.000] name to look at. Now I don't know all
[00:51:02.720] the details, but absolutely it's seen as
[00:51:05.560] a suspicious death to somebody who said
[00:51:07.600] they would never do it that way.
[00:51:09.840] So
[00:51:10.360] >> And I've heard a couple of names over
[00:51:11.680] the last couple of years and we haven't
[00:51:13.720] been able to move forward with them.
[00:51:15.280] Suspicious deaths of people who were
[00:51:17.560] directly involved with a UFO UAP
[00:51:20.920] technology.
[00:51:22.360] I think some of these names I agree with
[00:51:24.120] you that have been mentioned about
[00:51:25.880] scientists who are missing or strange
[00:51:27.600] deaths probably don't belong in that
[00:51:29.800] category. This guy did. You know, we've
[00:51:32.880] kind of been blocked from going forward.
[00:51:35.160] We were not allowed to reveal names, but
[00:51:38.680] Burchett's because of his Burchett
[00:51:40.520] because of his courage, now the name's
[00:51:42.920] out there and people can get to work. It
[00:51:44.800] was It's to have him there.
[00:51:46.800] I mean, he really has
[00:51:48.720] um you know, broken through some some
[00:51:51.120] barriers in terms of hey, uh
[00:51:53.680] I'm not going to take no for an answer.
[00:51:55.160] I want to get to the bottom of this.
[00:51:56.720] Leading the charge for the house along
[00:51:59.120] with Burchett and Luna and a few others.
[00:52:02.240] And it was great to have him on stage to
[00:52:04.000] speak to this group.
[00:52:05.920] >> Yeah, Rep Burlison is the people's champ
[00:52:08.160] when it comes to UAP. You know, he has
[00:52:10.160] been designated as the guy running
[00:52:12.080] forward. He's gotten further than when
[00:52:14.440] you were kind of working with uh
[00:52:17.560] Amado and he was trying to get access to
[00:52:20.200] Papoose.
[00:52:21.720] Uh you know, I think Rep Burlison has
[00:52:23.200] gotten even further which is which is
[00:52:24.880] amazing. We got to get behind the guy.
[00:52:27.080] So, when he came on, you know, he kind
[00:52:29.720] of gave us an estimate of the situation
[00:52:31.360] where he's at, what he's doing, and and
[00:52:33.760] what we need to be fighting for. It was
[00:52:35.160] it was really cool, especially with all
[00:52:36.840] the top brass that was sitting in the
[00:52:38.280] audience. And I'm kind of watching them
[00:52:40.120] as they're watching him, you know? And
[00:52:42.240] it was it was really neat to see that he
[00:52:44.600] um
[00:52:45.240] he's fighting for this, man. And we got
[00:52:46.840] to get behind him. The only way he's
[00:52:48.840] going to make progress is if we show
[00:52:51.000] public support for what he's doing on
[00:52:53.920] our behalf.
[00:52:54.920] >> I don't know if it will be widely known
[00:52:57.400] by the time this episode is going to be
[00:52:59.760] released, but here in Nevada,
[00:53:01.800] I I'd been seeing these hints for a
[00:53:03.520] couple of days
[00:53:04.920] uh that the VIP visitor was going to be
[00:53:07.120] out at Groom Lake.
[00:53:08.600] And apparently yesterday, I don't know
[00:53:11.040] if
[00:53:11.920] Representative Burlison was with this
[00:53:13.840] VIP, but the in question is supposedly
[00:53:16.240] Tulsi Gabbard
[00:53:18.160] who made a visit.
[00:53:19.720] Tulsi Gabbard then took a little Janet
[00:53:21.760] plane, I think, and and went to Groom
[00:53:23.320] Lake and then came back and and left uh
[00:53:26.120] Las Vegas yesterday with and um
[00:53:28.840] I don't know, you know, we've pressed uh
[00:53:32.000] Eric Burlison about which facilities
[00:53:34.560] he'll be uh visiting on his national
[00:53:37.720] security tour.
[00:53:39.080] I don't want to give anything away, but
[00:53:40.480] I hope he was in that plane along with
[00:53:42.320] uh with Tulsi Gabbard.
[00:53:44.640] >> Yeah, it is our job to press and ask the
[00:53:47.200] questions. He even said in one of our
[00:53:48.720] episodes that, you know, this
[00:53:50.920] you know, journalism is so important
[00:53:52.720] with with getting this truth out, but we
[00:53:54.080] know when we do press him, he does have
[00:53:55.920] to balance the idea of what he's trying
[00:53:57.680] to do. He doesn't want to get shut down.
[00:53:59.480] Like, for example, the 46 videos, you
[00:54:01.920] know, that that's it that's a big deal.
[00:54:03.680] They put out publicly Rep Luna like as a
[00:54:06.000] show of force put out publicly, "Hey,
[00:54:09.000] sounds good, President Trump. You said
[00:54:10.680] declassify. I'm going to take you on
[00:54:12.280] your word and like let's get these
[00:54:14.200] videos out." So, they put out this
[00:54:16.000] letter to Pete Hegseth.
[00:54:18.120] And um it's still undetermined whether
[00:54:20.560] or not, you know, those videos are going
[00:54:23.000] to be shown to the public. It doesn't
[00:54:24.040] matter if they're shown to Congress.
[00:54:25.640] Then all of a sudden Congress says, "Oh,
[00:54:27.120] yeah, I've seen some shit." Well, that's
[00:54:28.920] what we've heard forever. We want to get
[00:54:30.400] them out to the public and and Rep Luna
[00:54:32.960] is trying to do that. And so is Rep
[00:54:35.440] Burleson. And they know those files are
[00:54:37.520] real. And they know where they are. And
[00:54:39.000] they got eyes on them. You know, it's no
[00:54:41.760] secret anymore. I mean, you and I did
[00:54:43.160] provide those and and many others as far
[00:54:45.680] as like actual links links on these
[00:54:48.360] servers that we have obtained over the
[00:54:50.160] years the links to. Now, we have
[00:54:52.960] released one of the videos, video number
[00:54:54.840] two, but I would imagine that they they
[00:54:57.640] really are trying to get this info out.
[00:55:00.400] And and if they
[00:55:02.280] hopefully it happens that way.
[00:55:04.640] >> Well, it doesn't come out one way, it
[00:55:06.640] might come out some other way, you know.
[00:55:08.720] >> I you know,
[00:55:09.960] it's the duty of journalism, you always
[00:55:11.560] say, to investigate the unexplained not
[00:55:12.880] explain they are investigated. That's
[00:55:13.920] your quote. And I imagine that, you
[00:55:15.880] know, we will do our best to inform the
[00:55:18.040] American public if they are misinformed.
[00:55:20.440] We have my friend here. This this is
[00:55:22.280] Representative Eric Burleson. Rep
[00:55:25.120] Burleson, I'm so glad he joined us
[00:55:26.880] because he has been somebody who has
[00:55:28.400] been fighting for this tooth and nail.
[00:55:30.120] If anybody's going to get it done, it's
[00:55:32.320] Rep Burleson. He's gotten closer than
[00:55:34.440] anybody. He was able to visit at least
[00:55:36.960] one base that we know of so far related
[00:55:39.360] to the the the NHI and UFO UAP issue.
[00:55:43.000] Rep. Burlison, if you can hear me, they
[00:55:45.040] beamed you in at the perfect moment. Are
[00:55:46.800] you there?
[00:55:47.920] >> Yes. Yeah, can you hear me?
[00:55:49.680] >> So great. Thank you so much for being
[00:55:51.760] here. We're excited. You're at this the
[00:55:53.560] Space Symposium and I really wanted
[00:55:55.440] people to hear from you briefly. You
[00:55:57.440] know, what is it that you're fighting
[00:55:58.800] for? Why are you fighting for this and
[00:56:00.480] what is the next move?
[00:56:03.680] >> Yeah, this is an important topic for me
[00:56:06.000] as someone who believes that the
[00:56:07.440] government belongs to the people.
[00:56:10.040] And we're here to serve the you know,
[00:56:12.840] the American public.
[00:56:14.600] And and it's not for this government or
[00:56:17.400] any government to hold back
[00:56:20.280] such important information as as to
[00:56:22.440] whether or not we're alone in this
[00:56:23.640] universe
[00:56:25.080] from from from anybody. And so to me
[00:56:28.000] this is a this is a topic that's
[00:56:29.760] disturbing at multiple levels of the
[00:56:32.160] secrecy. It's also disturbing to see
[00:56:35.440] the way in which there's money being
[00:56:37.320] thrown at this that's you know, that's
[00:56:38.880] kind of being hidden.
[00:56:40.560] And so there's a lot of reasons to for
[00:56:42.920] oversight to be involved in this matter.
[00:56:45.200] And when we had whistleblowers come
[00:56:46.640] forward,
[00:56:47.800] particularly David Grusch in the last
[00:56:49.520] few years, that really piqued our
[00:56:51.320] interest and made me realize that
[00:56:53.320] there's something that we probably
[00:56:54.480] should be looking into especially you
[00:56:56.920] know,
[00:56:57.840] I I and I know that there are a lot of
[00:56:58.920] people who will give this a little bit
[00:57:00.360] of a smirk or
[00:57:02.800] I myself approached this as a skeptic.
[00:57:05.800] But I'll tell you that there is
[00:57:07.240] something going on and we what we can
[00:57:09.520] definitively say after after years of
[00:57:12.040] researching this is that there is
[00:57:13.880] definitely some type of technology
[00:57:16.840] that is using a type of physics that we
[00:57:18.960] do not understand or it's
[00:57:21.840] a different type of physics than we've
[00:57:23.760] than we've ever seen before.
[00:57:25.400] >> Yeah, and so you know, very kind of on
[00:57:27.480] the nose right now Congress has put
[00:57:29.600] forward through Rep. Luna and yourself
[00:57:32.080] and Rep um
[00:57:33.480] Burchett, you're looking to receive 46
[00:57:37.000] videos and make sure not only that you
[00:57:39.240] receive them, but that the public can
[00:57:41.640] also see these. And in these
[00:57:43.000] descriptions or these file names for
[00:57:44.800] these videos, they talk about
[00:57:46.520] transmedium craft, instantaneous
[00:57:49.040] acceleration. One of those videos is out
[00:57:51.160] George Knapp and I released number two
[00:57:52.520] on that list. Have you seen those
[00:57:54.520] videos? Are you hopeful that the
[00:57:56.720] American public is going to get those
[00:57:58.640] videos maybe under presidential order?
[00:58:00.720] >> Order.
[00:58:01.960] >> I've seen many of these videos um
[00:58:04.560] because we have contacts with people
[00:58:06.320] that are trying to get this to us in a
[00:58:08.480] secure way um not through the official
[00:58:12.040] channel, but I have I've been some of
[00:58:14.120] these videos have been leaked and it'd
[00:58:15.840] be well. And I've been able to see some
[00:58:18.000] of them. And so um again, there's
[00:58:20.480] nothing that is definitive as a smoking
[00:58:22.680] gun that I would say, but some of it is
[00:58:25.320] is
[00:58:26.160] absolutely demonstrating a level of
[00:58:27.800] technology that doesn't exist. that that
[00:58:30.480] we are not aware of
[00:58:32.520] under
[00:58:33.360] under today's conventional technology.
[00:58:35.200] So, for example, the instantaneous
[00:58:38.080] acceleration video, um that that is um
[00:58:42.360] it you know, that would that would
[00:58:43.720] scramble anybody's brains uh if you if
[00:58:46.920] you were inside that vehicle.
[00:58:48.680] Um so, and I don't know that we even
[00:58:50.760] have drones that have that capability of
[00:58:52.480] doing that kind of level of
[00:58:53.720] instantaneous acceleration. Um I've seen
[00:58:56.800] objects that appear to be flying that
[00:58:59.440] have no means of propulsion or
[00:59:02.480] aerodynamics. These are literally just
[00:59:05.640] spheres that are moving in ways that
[00:59:08.960] that people cannot explain. Um I've had
[00:59:11.520] briefings where we've where we've been
[00:59:13.400] told about um incursions on our military
[00:59:16.840] bases.
[00:59:18.040] And this is something that's extremely
[00:59:19.560] disturbing that you have
[00:59:21.520] unknown objects that are you know,
[00:59:24.560] violating our airspace particularly over
[00:59:26.640] very sensitive locations, it's something
[00:59:29.400] that we have got to be investigating.
[00:59:32.760] >> Congressman Burchett, first and
[00:59:34.480] foremost, again, thank you for being a
[00:59:36.320] champion of transparency, a champion of
[00:59:39.280] accountability, and fighting the good
[00:59:41.320] fight. I know you don't get a lot of
[00:59:42.560] awards for this, but you get our
[00:59:44.640] appreciation. I just wanted to ask, what
[00:59:47.760] kind of pushback do you get in terms of
[00:59:49.920] releasing those videos? Is it because
[00:59:52.760] the cameras themselves are classified?
[00:59:55.320] What are the explanations you get as to
[00:59:57.040] why this information couldn't be
[00:59:59.040] released to the public?
[01:00:00.880] >> Yeah, that's the most common explanation
[01:00:02.760] is that the
[01:00:03.960] instruments that gathered these videos,
[01:00:06.360] they themselves are classified, and so
[01:00:08.160] it's difficult to get to get that those
[01:00:10.760] those videos declassified. But I would
[01:00:13.080] say, look, scrub those videos of all of
[01:00:15.600] the the metadata,
[01:00:17.800] you know, when you lot of sometimes
[01:00:19.680] these these videos they have metrics
[01:00:22.360] that are kind of encoded around the
[01:00:24.600] perimeter of these videos, that could be
[01:00:26.720] removed or masked. Look, there's there's
[01:00:29.000] a number of ways that they could do this
[01:00:30.480] that would not jeopardize national
[01:00:32.280] security, and this is what we just kind
[01:00:34.080] of have to keep pushing at.
[01:00:36.320] >> Yeah, my argument with that as as
[01:00:37.840] somebody who has obtained and released a
[01:00:39.200] number of these videos is that those
[01:00:41.520] metrics actually help the scientific
[01:00:43.480] analysis of it, and nothing in those
[01:00:45.240] metrics, anything that George and I have
[01:00:46.640] ever ever put out has been
[01:00:48.600] you know, any threat to national
[01:00:49.960] security. We make sure in our
[01:00:51.080] journalism, America First, make sure,
[01:00:53.760] but I think that there needs to be a
[01:00:55.000] higher level of transparency with that.
[01:00:56.680] If you get these videos, I know you will
[01:00:58.880] put them out to the American public, but
[01:01:00.720] you're also, and we support you, you're
[01:01:02.840] also on another hunt right now, and I
[01:01:04.760] know you can't talk a lot about it, but
[01:01:06.640] you have been given access, I believe
[01:01:08.400] through presidential order, you've been
[01:01:09.600] given access to at least one military
[01:01:12.040] installation doing incredible work that
[01:01:14.200] was supposed to receive
[01:01:16.760] a craft through Lockheed Martin. I think
[01:01:18.600] that's very public now. Are Are going to
[01:01:20.480] visit more bases? Are they opening the
[01:01:22.760] doors for you? Is there a chance you're
[01:01:24.680] going to be able to see some of this
[01:01:25.720] hardware that is purported to not be of
[01:01:27.920] human origin?
[01:01:30.400] >> The answer is yes. Um, in fact, I just
[01:01:32.600] had a conversation with White House
[01:01:33.760] staff
[01:01:34.800] um a few minutes ago about this.
[01:01:37.120] Um, there are other locations that that
[01:01:39.120] are on the list. Um, they're working
[01:01:41.280] through the details of those and the
[01:01:42.760] logistics of those visits.
[01:01:44.920] Um, I'm trying to be very
[01:01:47.240] guarded in which locations that we're
[01:01:48.840] going to for multiple reasons.
[01:01:51.720] Um, but at the end of the day, my goal
[01:01:53.280] is disclosure. So, um you can trust that
[01:01:56.480] I'm going to do everything I can to try
[01:01:57.800] to get to the to the truth. And then do
[01:02:00.040] everything I can to make sure that it's
[01:02:01.520] made available to the public. And I
[01:02:03.000] think that President Trump has
[01:02:04.880] demonstrated an unprecedented step by
[01:02:08.000] saying that he is um you know, even if
[01:02:10.600] it's just a Truth Social right now that
[01:02:13.120] that he's directing um these agencies to
[01:02:15.640] release these files.
[01:02:17.640] Um, that is I don't think we've ever had
[01:02:19.280] a president even remotely say something
[01:02:21.320] like that. So, that's a good first step.
[01:02:23.680] What I would what I'm going to be hoping
[01:02:25.600] and and and pressing for is that this is
[01:02:27.880] followed up with an executive order
[01:02:29.400] because we
[01:02:31.120] we need that kind of teeth for this to
[01:02:33.160] be carried through because a lot of
[01:02:35.000] these agencies are not going to
[01:02:36.080] voluntarily give this up even just
[01:02:38.120] because of a truth. So, I think we need
[01:02:40.600] the executive order
[01:02:42.080] um in order to be successful and I'm
[01:02:43.480] going to be pressing for that.
[01:02:44.880] >> If I can, I just want to emphasize the
[01:02:47.040] point that you made, Congressman, cuz
[01:02:48.360] this is an excellent one. I hate when we
[01:02:50.720] denigrate that oh, it's just a tweet.
[01:02:53.600] It's just a statement. It's just an X.
[01:02:55.520] No president has ever done that.
[01:02:57.880] President Trump's statement was un
[01:03:00.520] precedented and was a huge leap forward
[01:03:03.600] and we should applaud him and the other
[01:03:05.720] administration officials who have moved
[01:03:08.600] in that direction. And I'm just curious,
[01:03:10.240] Congressman, obviously we saw the
[01:03:12.040] statement by the president. Are you
[01:03:13.920] getting support from DNI, from the FBI,
[01:03:19.160] from NASA, from other entities, have
[01:03:22.400] there been productive conversations and
[01:03:24.200] what does that look like for you?
[01:03:26.160] >> There There have been productive
[01:03:27.480] conversations. They've been somewhat um
[01:03:30.400] limited in their resources on this topic
[01:03:32.760] until that truth came out. And so to in
[01:03:35.400] that regard, it has that in and of
[01:03:37.960] itself has demonstrated tremendous
[01:03:40.680] success because um you know, one of the
[01:03:43.240] agencies had told me that this was a
[01:03:45.800] very low priority for them. It was It
[01:03:48.440] was one of the topics that they were
[01:03:49.960] investigating and working on, but it was
[01:03:51.520] nowhere near the level of priority that
[01:03:54.040] it is today. They have They've moved it
[01:03:56.200] up in in their words to the top 10 list
[01:03:58.640] of priorities. So, they're now
[01:04:00.480] dedicating a lot more resources to
[01:04:02.080] investigating this topic and I think
[01:04:03.480] it's long overdue. So, I'm glad to see
[01:04:06.680] the intelligence community, um whether
[01:04:08.800] it's ODNI or the FBI or others that are
[01:04:12.440] actually taking a
[01:04:14.040] um a really um sober look at this
[01:04:17.000] phenomenon.
[01:04:17.720] >> I'm glad the most important topic in
[01:04:19.760] history is no longer a low priority.
[01:04:21.800] >> Right. Right.
[01:04:22.920] Uh Rep Burchett, I just want to thank
[01:04:24.280] you so much on behalf of myself and
[01:04:26.040] everybody here. You know, no
[01:04:28.320] congressperson have has ever gotten
[01:04:30.280] closer to this kind of access and you
[01:04:32.400] are a trusted person and I know you'll
[01:04:34.320] you'll shoot the American public
[01:04:35.480] straight. So, thank you so much for
[01:04:37.320] doing things like this and and speaking
[01:04:39.120] out and we you are the people's champ
[01:04:41.160] and and we got your back and thank you
[01:04:42.640] for what you've been doing. I know it's
[01:04:43.880] been a fight and you'll keep fighting.
[01:04:45.320] Thank you, Rep Burchett.
[01:04:46.720] >> Round of applause.
[01:04:47.400] >> I couldn't do it without you guys.
[01:04:49.320] I couldn't do it without you guys. So,
[01:04:50.720] thank you.
[01:04:51.840] >> All right, my friend. Let's keep
[01:04:53.160] fighting. Talk soon.
[01:04:54.760] >> You know, I I sense um optimism with uh
[01:04:58.120] Eric Burlison. You know, he's working
[01:04:59.840] hard. He thinks he can push the
[01:05:01.280] envelope, the edge of the envelope. At
[01:05:03.520] at the same time, one of his most
[01:05:05.080] trusted um
[01:05:06.640] uh colleagues in the house, Tim Burchett
[01:05:09.800] of Tennessee,
[01:05:11.160] is not optimistic at all. He sounds like
[01:05:13.640] me Uh but it comes to disclosure. He's
[01:05:17.000] come out of a couple of meetings, seen
[01:05:19.040] some amazing stuff, but we don't know
[01:05:20.600] what it is. Yeah, but he does not think
[01:05:23.000] any of this stuff is going to come out.
[01:05:24.760] You know, I'm I'm still there as well.
[01:05:26.480] Got to keep trying.
[01:05:28.000] Burchett, Luna, Burchett and their
[01:05:30.080] colleagues both in the House and the
[01:05:31.840] Senate, but we'll see.
[01:05:33.920] >> So so Rep. Burchett is a little more
[01:05:35.920] pessimistic right now. It's never going
[01:05:37.600] to come out kind of thing?
[01:05:40.040] >> Yeah,
[01:05:41.120] the big stuff.
[01:05:42.720] Wheel out the bodies onto the stage in
[01:05:44.680] in the Oval Office or something and and
[01:05:46.520] and show them.
[01:05:48.080] Um
[01:05:49.000] he doesn't think that's going to come.
[01:05:50.760] I think he's probably been exposed to
[01:05:52.680] too many
[01:05:53.760] tricks and lies from the big industries
[01:05:58.320] and contractors and the intelligence
[01:06:00.000] agencies to have much faith.
[01:06:02.200] But you got to keep plugging away and
[01:06:03.560] give it a try.
[01:06:04.640] >> Well, I'll tell you cuz he said it's
[01:06:05.920] okay and we just talked the other day
[01:06:08.520] and absolutely I think it's frustrating,
[01:06:11.520] but he like us knows that nothing's
[01:06:14.640] coming out unless we fight for it. And
[01:06:16.560] he said it's it is to quote him, it is
[01:06:19.120] BS. This is being held back from the
[01:06:21.840] American public that at this point
[01:06:24.160] they're using national security as just
[01:06:26.440] like a a placeholder to stop this
[01:06:28.800] information coming out. He's pissed
[01:06:30.480] about it. So I understand he's
[01:06:31.520] frustrated, but he is fighting for it
[01:06:33.520] too and I I really believe that we're
[01:06:36.200] not going to get anywhere if we don't
[01:06:37.400] push and and and he's a good one to
[01:06:39.200] push. So even though he's a little
[01:06:40.200] frustrated, he he he's got a lot of
[01:06:42.320] fight in him.
[01:06:43.520] >> I imagine it's a tough spot for
[01:06:45.960] Republican House members who are
[01:06:48.200] supporters of the president who are
[01:06:50.960] counting on him keeping his word about
[01:06:53.360] releasing these files and we probably
[01:06:55.720] will see some files, maybe some videos.
[01:06:58.320] But I'll bet they're disappointed about
[01:07:01.360] how the Epstein files have been handled.
[01:07:03.000] I mean, they passed a law that said give
[01:07:04.560] it to us. Don't don't censor it.
[01:07:08.040] And we've seen how that's been handled.
[01:07:10.120] I'm not sure we're ever going to see any
[01:07:11.320] more Epstein files released at all.
[01:07:14.640] >> Right. You know, but President Trump did
[01:07:17.160] say he's going to be releasing the
[01:07:18.760] files. Now, now what are files? Are
[01:07:21.000] files talking about videos? So so right
[01:07:22.880] now there are people that we know out
[01:07:25.120] the White House as of yesterday and they
[01:07:27.280] are asking directly of the president,
[01:07:29.920] you know, are you going to release the
[01:07:31.240] 46 videos? Like that is 100% true.
[01:07:34.800] That's like you know, there's got to be
[01:07:36.280] an answer. It it's like
[01:07:39.280] If those videos are released, then you
[01:07:41.520] and I can sit back and say, look, the
[01:07:43.360] the American public has that
[01:07:44.400] information, assess it, go through it. I
[01:07:47.680] think that's a big part of it and that's
[01:07:49.000] why Rep Luna jumped on X after the
[01:07:51.160] president announced that. And I do
[01:07:52.560] believe the president. I do believe that
[01:07:54.560] he wants to release those. Why wouldn't
[01:07:56.480] you? I mean, I think it's fascinating.
[01:07:58.520] So if he does that, if he allows those
[01:08:00.640] 46 plus videos to be released to the
[01:08:03.600] public, then we can sit back and we can
[01:08:06.080] watch as everybody kind of gets exposed
[01:08:08.640] to things that maybe Congress has been
[01:08:10.200] exposed to as well.
[01:08:11.920] >> Well, we'll have a longer conversation
[01:08:13.360] about it at some point, but I imagine,
[01:08:15.480] you know, the the president's
[01:08:17.120] personality, it would appeal to him to
[01:08:19.120] do something that no other president has
[01:08:21.600] been able to do since Harry Truman.
[01:08:23.359] They've all known bits and pieces. None
[01:08:25.799] of them have stepped up to the plate and
[01:08:27.600] taken the action that the public is
[01:08:29.600] asking for.
[01:08:30.839] But at the same time, you know, once
[01:08:33.520] once you get ready to release certain
[01:08:35.400] things, including some of those videos
[01:08:37.160] that we are somewhat familiar with,
[01:08:39.600] you're going to get a lot of pushback.
[01:08:41.600] Um
[01:08:42.680] you know, that there's a lot of stuff
[01:08:43.839] that has to be declassified and cleansed
[01:08:46.240] before it could come out. And even then,
[01:08:48.160] some of those
[01:08:49.720] would represent an actual potential
[01:08:51.839] threat to national security if they came
[01:08:53.560] out as as they are.
[01:08:55.799] >> Right. I I I I think you know, these
[01:08:58.279] videos and and more information coming
[01:09:01.120] out, it's like we have a a nuclear
[01:09:03.120] program, but not everybody knows how to
[01:09:04.759] build a bomb. You can tell the base the
[01:09:06.839] basics.
[01:09:08.000] So, I I I think it's a good step, man.
[01:09:10.080] And I really hope that And I do believe
[01:09:12.720] that we're going to make more progress
[01:09:14.120] on this. Look, if we're invited back to
[01:09:15.520] the Space Symposium after this time,
[01:09:18.080] we're going to go again. It was so cool.
[01:09:20.359] I I think next time you got to come in
[01:09:21.560] person, George. It was a neat
[01:09:23.520] experience. But, what I took away from
[01:09:25.640] that is that
[01:09:27.440] people at the highest level dealing with
[01:09:29.440] defense of space,
[01:09:31.560] these contractors we often talk about,
[01:09:34.560] they are hyper aware of the UAP reality.
[01:09:37.920] They are fixated on it to some degree.
[01:09:39.799] They want in, too, on some of this.
[01:09:41.440] Imagine if this information was allowed
[01:09:43.759] to be studied by the top scientists and
[01:09:45.520] engineers in our country. So, I just I I
[01:09:47.880] have a lot of optimism still. You're not
[01:09:49.440] going to kick it out of me. I got a lot
[01:09:50.640] of optimism.
[01:09:52.240] You go.
[01:09:53.880] That's you.
[01:09:55.200] >> All right. Yeah, I do want to be there
[01:09:56.600] the next time if we get invited back.
[01:09:58.280] And I was going to appear on a big uh
[01:10:00.400] screen and participate in the questions
[01:10:02.960] and things that that you know, just like
[01:10:05.040] with NASA missions, sometimes there are
[01:10:06.880] techno glitches that prevent things from
[01:10:08.800] going as they they are intended. But, uh
[01:10:11.440] yeah, that'll be fun. So, you're on the
[01:10:13.200] road uh at present. Maybe you're home by
[01:10:16.320] the time that this gets on the air, gets
[01:10:18.680] released.
[01:10:19.760] Um and um we'll talk again
[01:10:22.720] >> We will, man. Yeah. And Sleeping Dog is
[01:10:24.760] coming come hell or high water. The kid
[01:10:26.960] Michael Lazowski made this movie
[01:10:29.600] Sleeping Dog about kind of what you and
[01:10:31.280] I are up against, man. And I'm I'm glad
[01:10:33.160] he did. Like, I was really pissed at
[01:10:34.480] him. He's listening and he's our
[01:10:36.120] producer. I was kind of pissed about it.
[01:10:37.760] You know, I gave him 20 years of footage
[01:10:39.240] and said, "Make some cool UFO movies."
[01:10:41.280] And then he kind of saw He'll He'll
[01:10:43.160] He'll talk for himself, but he kind of
[01:10:44.680] saw what was going on, turned the camera
[01:10:46.800] around, and you and I were going through
[01:10:48.600] something at that time trying to figure
[01:10:49.920] out how far we could push this. So, I I
[01:10:51.920] am excited that movie is coming out, and
[01:10:53.880] people should tune in. It's not my
[01:10:55.400] movie. It was made by Michael. And um
[01:10:58.440] man, it pissed me off at first, but now
[01:11:00.160] you know, I opted in. Now I'm really
[01:11:01.760] glad it is cuz it it it tells it like it
[01:11:03.800] is.
[01:11:04.640] >> It's getting some good publicity
[01:11:06.040] already. So, I don't know if Michael's
[01:11:07.680] responsible or how that works, but
[01:11:09.920] there's a lot of interest that's
[01:11:11.080] building.
[01:11:12.320] Uh are we playing a clip or are we going
[01:11:13.760] to do that in a future episode?
[01:11:15.400] >> [ __ ] maybe we should play a clip.
[01:11:18.560] So, I'm going to pull it out and then
[01:11:20.400] you're going to tell me
[01:11:22.400] if this is exactly like you said. Okay,
[01:11:25.360] so we got it.
[01:11:27.720] >> Yep.
[01:11:28.400] >> Okay, there's a white piece of paper
[01:11:30.160] around it. Is that right?
[01:11:32.360] >> Yeah,
[01:11:33.000] that's correct.
[01:11:33.840] >> I see original Polaroid. Holy [ __ ]
[01:11:39.640] A- and where is this
[01:11:41.000] Where is this from?
[01:11:44.320] >> It's from Los Alamos National
[01:11:45.480] Laboratory.
[01:11:47.720] >> Your dad died, right?
[01:11:49.840] >> He did. He passed away about a month
[01:11:51.680] ago.
[01:11:52.600] >> I'm sorry to hear that.
[01:11:54.320] My dad died, too.
[01:11:56.480] What was your dad's position and why do
[01:11:57.920] we find this interesting?
[01:12:00.320] >> He was in charge of all computer cyber
[01:12:04.160] cyber security for the entire
[01:12:05.560] laboratory. So, I sent you some
[01:12:08.480] uh official documents from the lab
[01:12:12.080] that
[01:12:13.200] talk about meetings they had about uh
[01:12:16.400] atmospheric anomalies.
[01:12:18.440] There's also some information in there
[01:12:20.360] about
[01:12:21.680] Russian sightings.
[01:12:23.800] Soviet sightings.
[01:12:34.720] >> All right, man. Well, listen, I'll talk
[01:12:35.920] to you soon. We got a lot of stuff
[01:12:37.000] coming up this next uh month, George.
[01:12:39.560] About 30 days, you and me going to be on
[01:12:41.080] the road doing some stuff. It's going to
[01:12:42.240] be fun, man.
[01:12:55.280] >> Yeah.