Ross Coulthart Reality Check Q&A — "We've got to stop this bloody nonsense: Coulthart on UFO infighting" (28 Jun 2026)

Source: Reality Check with Ross Coulthart — Q&A episode, NewsNation (taped in Washington DC). Host Ross Coulthart; questions read by Meagan Medick.
URL: https://youtu.be/9RcCJfdIhEw (NewsNation; 2026-06-28; ~47:02).
Captured: 2026-06-28. Full verbatim YouTube auto-transcript (timestamps retained; ASR artifacts preserved — "Alzando / Lu Alzando / Lou Alzando"=Lue Elizondo, "Grush"=Grusch, "Avi Lo / Avi Loe"=Avi Loeb, "Shurmer"=Shermer, "Mike Gr"=a senator [name uncertain], "Jeff Nasatelli"=a whistleblower [spelling uncertain], "Putoff"=Hal Puthoff, "TTSA"=To The Stars Academy, "war.go gov"=wardog.gov / the .gov UAP file rollout). Provenance only; analysis lives on ../../topics/uap-disclosure-schism, ../../sources/coulthart-career-and-claims, and ../../sources/elizondo-career-and-claims.
What this is: the centerpiece statement of the 2026 "schism in UAP transparency." Coulthart describes two camps — a controlled-disclosure faction he dates to TTSA (2015-17) and attributes to a "well-intentioned group within the national security state" that used Lue Elizondo as a James-Clapper-backed "frontman," versus an "all or nothing" full-disclosure camp he places himself and David Grusch in (whose 2023 going-public "wrong-footed" the controlled-disclosure plan) — plus a separate "gatekeeper faction" trying to suppress crash-retrieval disclosure entirely. He names Elizondo as the figure he suspects is "up for a big position," notes others "bitterly resent" the idea, insists Elizondo is a patriot and not part of the gatekeeper faction, and calls for the infighting to stop. Also covers: Steven Miller handling the brief and taking amnesty seriously; UAPDA reintroduction and Mike Turner as past blocker; the Collins Elite (religious "demonic" faction); the oil / petrodollar disclosure-suppression motive; consciousness / psionics.

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[00:00:06.879] Good day and welcome to Reality Check
[00:00:09.840] from Washington DC. This is not a fake
[00:00:14.000] set. That is the capital right out the
[00:00:17.440] window. And believe it or not, yes,
[00:00:19.840] they've let me into their prime studio
[00:00:22.400] in the News Nation Washington DC
[00:00:25.039] offices. I've spent the last few days
[00:00:27.680] crawling around the capital, no
[00:00:30.000] hobnobbing with politicians, squeezing
[00:00:32.320] the flesh, finding out what's really
[00:00:34.719] going on with the UAP mystery. And here,
[00:00:38.239] of course, to help me through it is my
[00:00:40.640] friend and colleague Megan Medik, who
[00:00:43.920] isn't, after all some kind of AI
[00:00:46.559] generated image. She's real. Lovely to
[00:00:49.360] see you, Megan. And it's great to be on
[00:00:51.039] set with you,
[00:00:51.760] >> Ross. Lovely to see you as well. You
[00:00:53.520] cannot squeeze politicians. I know this
[00:00:56.879] from following Anna.
[00:00:58.079] >> I I can tell you there's been a lot of
[00:00:59.520] squeezing of the flesh the last few
[00:01:01.120] days. This This really does feel like
[00:01:03.120] the Starship Enterprise. I I feel like I
[00:01:05.519] should be SAYING WARP FACTOR 5, MR. Zulu
[00:01:08.799] attack.
[00:01:10.000] >> Ross, after the couple years that you
[00:01:11.439] and I have been working together, I hate
[00:01:12.640] to say it again right off the top, but
[00:01:14.000] you know, I haven't seen it.
[00:01:15.680] >> You haven't seen Star Trek?
[00:01:17.360] >> No. And the viewers know this, too. They
[00:01:19.920] get on me all the time on X about it.
[00:01:22.000] Um,
[00:01:22.560] >> Megan, Moonlanding isn't real.
[00:01:24.720] >> Oh my. Are we like, we're not even 30
[00:01:26.640] seconds in. This is why we weren't
[00:01:29.439] allowed to come here.
[00:01:30.240] >> No, this cuz we we've been up to a lot
[00:01:32.479] of mischief for the last few days,
[00:01:33.840] haven't we?
[00:01:34.400] >> Yes. And I feel since we're really
[00:01:37.119] getting into it, I feel like I need a
[00:01:38.479] raise.
[00:01:39.200] >> I absolutely right. Give this woman a
[00:01:41.680] raise.
[00:01:42.560] >> I have been chasing you around, shushing
[00:01:45.920] you, pulling you away, censoring you.
[00:01:48.960] what she's actually been doing is
[00:01:50.960] stopping me from swearing in front of
[00:01:52.960] the nation's most preeminent
[00:01:54.560] politicians.
[00:01:55.680] >> Yeah, that's that's one of the things.
[00:01:57.759] But Ross, you're also extremely friendly
[00:02:00.880] and people love you as they should. You
[00:02:04.320] are the best. But you know, so many
[00:02:06.159] people are here for the forum and
[00:02:07.280] they've come up to you and then they'll
[00:02:09.119] ask you questions, which is my job, by
[00:02:12.160] the way. Um, and you you start answering
[00:02:15.200] them and so I'm easedropping on you
[00:02:17.120] like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." like that's
[00:02:18.959] that's actually kind of classified and
[00:02:21.360] we're not there yet. We're not really
[00:02:22.640] sure that. So, um it's been it's been
[00:02:25.920] fun. It's been a lot of fun.
[00:02:27.040] >> It has been fun. And look, I think we've
[00:02:28.959] got some interesting things to say today
[00:02:30.480] because there is actually nothing like
[00:02:32.800] we're all primitive apes.
[00:02:34.480] >> And frankly, I think we gain more
[00:02:36.480] information when we're in each other's
[00:02:38.239] presence.
[00:02:38.959] >> Yes.
[00:02:39.280] >> And when you're actually with those
[00:02:41.120] politicians and with their staffers and
[00:02:43.840] meeting secretly with those sources, you
[00:02:46.239] actually learn a lot more. breaking
[00:02:47.920] bread with people, having a beer with
[00:02:49.599] them, sitting at a smoky bar. Actually,
[00:02:51.840] bars aren't smoky anymore here, are
[00:02:53.280] they? But sitting in a bar, you can
[00:02:55.280] actually learn more about what's really
[00:02:57.200] going on. I must confess I've come away
[00:03:00.160] from this last few days in Washington
[00:03:02.879] with some altered perspectives, which
[00:03:04.800] I'm sure your questions will seek to
[00:03:07.519] elicit.
[00:03:08.319] >> Yeah, absolutely. So, is this your big
[00:03:10.400] announcement that you're moving to the
[00:03:11.840] US with us?
[00:03:12.959] >> Nope. I am actually to be honest with
[00:03:14.480] you I am looking forward to getting on
[00:03:16.640] that plane and getting back to Australia
[00:03:18.640] to my bunker 500 ft underground in the
[00:03:21.519] uh southern highlands of New South Wales
[00:03:23.680] where of course we do the reality check
[00:03:25.760] show. But no, I'm going to miss being in
[00:03:28.319] Washington. The summer is beautiful. I
[00:03:30.720] do notice though Americans don't have a
[00:03:32.640] tan during this this cold this uh winter
[00:03:36.000] winter months and after months and
[00:03:38.000] months and months of um sunshine here. I
[00:03:40.959] don't understand where are all the tans
[00:03:42.400] in America.
[00:03:43.120] >> I am tan. I am a thousand% tan. They
[00:03:45.920] just told me in the newsroom that I that
[00:03:47.680] I am tan. So
[00:03:48.720] >> that's good to hear. No, but a lot of
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[00:05:16.560] So, we have a ton of questions about the
[00:05:18.639] forum yesterday, which we were here to
[00:05:21.039] attend, but we need to address the mic
[00:05:23.840] issue right off the top with with audio
[00:05:26.400] from the event.
[00:05:27.919] >> It wasn't us. We have poor old Megan has
[00:05:30.160] been assailed on social media for
[00:05:32.639] apparently the audio deficiencies at
[00:05:34.800] yesterday's disclosure forum held. It
[00:05:38.160] was quite an amazing event actually. It
[00:05:39.759] was in the Kennedy caucus room in the uh
[00:05:42.960] building where there is the Senate
[00:05:44.479] ratunda.
[00:05:45.280] >> Yes. profoundly important location where
[00:05:48.000] the Watergate hearings were held.
[00:05:49.919] Somebody told me, I hope this is right.
[00:05:51.600] They told me it's also where the Titanic
[00:05:53.919] hearing investigations were held and the
[00:05:56.400] Iran Contra investigation hearings were
[00:05:59.120] held. And hopefully one day it will be
[00:06:01.120] where they are pulling the fingernails
[00:06:02.720] out of the members of the legacy program
[00:06:04.960] and extracting the truth of the crash
[00:06:07.360] retrieval reverse engineering program
[00:06:09.520] that we all know does exist and is
[00:06:11.440] quietly hidden in the countryside
[00:06:13.280] somewhere in rural Virginia not far from
[00:06:15.600] this studio.
[00:06:17.280] >> All right, there he goes ladies and
[00:06:18.639] gentlemen. We will get started. We have
[00:06:20.720] Ronic. This is coming to us from X. Hi
[00:06:22.720] Megan. After today's disclosure forum
[00:06:24.319] event, does Ross still believe that
[00:06:25.600] certain members of Congress are actively
[00:06:27.759] obiscating and blocking the public's
[00:06:29.440] right to know?
[00:06:30.240] >> Oh, absolutely. There there's no doubt
[00:06:31.919] about that. There is not a unonymity of
[00:06:35.360] opinion in the Congress about what to do
[00:06:37.919] with UAP disclosure. In fact, it's been
[00:06:40.400] really interesting this week because
[00:06:43.120] there's one thing I've become more aware
[00:06:45.039] of. I I was very skeptical, very very
[00:06:49.039] cynical about the idea that President
[00:06:51.520] Trump, members of the actual executive
[00:06:53.919] administration of the US government are
[00:06:56.000] serious at all about UAP disclosure,
[00:06:59.680] that Trump was essentially just humoring
[00:07:01.759] this idea. But it's been impressed upon
[00:07:04.560] me by quite a number of politicians both
[00:07:08.319] on and off the record. And you'll see
[00:07:10.160] some of those interviews shortly that
[00:07:13.199] Trump is serious. And the way that he's
[00:07:15.919] demonstrated how serious he is is by
[00:07:18.800] getting Steven Miller, his deputy chief
[00:07:20.880] of staff, to handle this brief. They are
[00:07:25.360] deadly serious. They are actually
[00:07:27.520] engaged with this topic.
[00:07:30.400] Whether that means they're going to talk
[00:07:32.800] about the bear in the room, the story we
[00:07:36.160] all want to know about the crash
[00:07:39.039] retrieval program. Is the government
[00:07:41.840] after months of releasing fairly
[00:07:45.520] UFO files? Are they going to make any
[00:07:48.720] kind of admission about the crash
[00:07:50.639] retrieval reverse engineering program? I
[00:07:53.919] must confess I'm not so sure they are
[00:07:56.160] because there's an interesting battle
[00:07:57.520] that we can discuss. There's a sort of a
[00:07:59.199] schism in UFO UAP transparency that I
[00:08:03.520] think is beginning to develop. There are
[00:08:05.840] those that think that national security
[00:08:07.840] needs to be protected and that to even
[00:08:10.400] reveal a nonhuman intelligence is
[00:08:13.919] definitely engaging with this planet
[00:08:16.160] would be a slippery slope that would
[00:08:18.160] lead to the revelation of things that we
[00:08:20.240] don't want to reveal. And there are
[00:08:22.560] those that think full speed ahead. Damn
[00:08:25.280] the torpedoes. Let's reveal all of it.
[00:08:27.599] which of course I'm sure is your
[00:08:29.360] position Megan and it may in fact be
[00:08:31.120] mine but um yeah so I mean I I I think
[00:08:34.240] the the simple answer to that question
[00:08:35.919] is there is absolutely obfuscation
[00:08:39.120] blocking delay attempts to uh stop
[00:08:43.120] revealing and I I'm still a little bit
[00:08:45.200] skeptical that the advisory committee
[00:08:47.680] notwithstanding I had a good chat with
[00:08:49.279] Avi Loe in the green room here the other
[00:08:51.440] day professor Avi Lo was most generous
[00:08:54.240] about reality check he didn't mind me
[00:08:56.399] taking a gentle swipe at Michael Shurmer
[00:08:58.640] for being a skeptic. And I actually
[00:09:00.480] congratulated him on appointing Michael
[00:09:02.080] Shurmer. I said, "It's a great idea. I
[00:09:04.000] think it's important that we do have
[00:09:05.519] skeptics on board." And I said, "I hope
[00:09:08.000] you hold him to account. We don't want
[00:09:10.399] any nonsense. Please don't allow
[00:09:12.160] yourself to be high necked."
[00:09:14.399] >> Um, that should be an active verb, you
[00:09:16.640] know, to be high necked. To be hired to
[00:09:18.560] do something responsible and transparent
[00:09:20.640] and full disclosure and to get hijacked
[00:09:23.040] by the national security state. There
[00:09:24.720] there's a new word, ladies and
[00:09:26.000] gentlemen. But no, I I think um the
[00:09:28.160] short answer to that very first question
[00:09:29.920] is yes.
[00:09:31.519] >> Okay, we will move right on. We have
[00:09:34.399] Desolation Row. Hi Megan, you and Ross
[00:09:36.560] looked great at the forum.
[00:09:38.240] >> Megan looked much better than me.
[00:09:40.480] >> Look at us. Does Ross get the impression
[00:09:42.880] from sources that there is knowledge
[00:09:44.560] being withheld by the legacy program
[00:09:46.480] about the transition of life and the
[00:09:48.560] transition of death? Us being spiritual
[00:09:50.880] beings having a human experience?
[00:09:53.360] >> Oh, that's a really interesting
[00:09:54.480] question. I don't think that's what
[00:09:56.000] they're fighting about. As I've
[00:09:57.360] mentioned, I think the big fight is
[00:09:59.760] about
[00:10:01.279] how much we can reveal in order to
[00:10:03.680] protect national security. But let's
[00:10:05.760] deal with that. Yes, I I do think there
[00:10:08.320] is a Christian attitude. I think that
[00:10:11.680] there are a lot of people of deep
[00:10:13.279] religious faith and I respect and admire
[00:10:15.440] that. I'm getting more spiritual as I
[00:10:17.120] get older. They haven't made a Christian
[00:10:18.880] of me yet, but um I was raised
[00:10:20.800] Christian, but I certainly get more
[00:10:23.519] spiritual in my beliefs and I'm more
[00:10:25.440] open to the idea that there is
[00:10:27.279] definitely a nexus between the UAP
[00:10:30.399] subject, the idea of something
[00:10:34.240] ultraterrestrial, cryptoaterrestrial,
[00:10:36.320] interdimensional, whatever you want to
[00:10:37.760] call it, that relates to the whole idea
[00:10:41.839] of non-local human consciousness. the
[00:10:44.560] idea that whatever we are, we're not
[00:10:47.440] just meat computers. I I'm increasingly
[00:10:50.800] very strongly of that view from the
[00:10:52.560] people I talk to in the program, people
[00:10:54.880] I talk to in the intelligence services
[00:10:56.800] and the government that
[00:10:58.079] >> there is a fundamental mystery being
[00:11:00.000] revealed here and it's super exciting. I
[00:11:02.240] find it fascinating um the theological
[00:11:04.880] debate about whether or not humans are
[00:11:06.880] just meat computers, biological robots
[00:11:09.440] that are basically just a brain inside a
[00:11:11.839] a blob of mush in in our heads and that
[00:11:15.120] our sense of consciousness is something
[00:11:16.880] that is created inside our bodies.
[00:11:19.440] Increasingly, I think the evidence that
[00:11:21.120] I'm hearing from people who are aware of
[00:11:24.399] this scientific edge
[00:11:26.880] >> is that there is something to this idea
[00:11:30.320] that that there is a debate here about
[00:11:33.440] life after death. What is death? Death
[00:11:36.000] is the death of our biological bodies.
[00:11:38.160] But isn't there a secret perhaps behind
[00:11:40.480] the whole UAP mystery? that the psionics
[00:11:44.640] idea, the idea of a non-local
[00:11:46.480] consciousness, consciousness connection
[00:11:48.320] with something,
[00:11:50.800] the idea that we humans have a capacity
[00:11:53.600] through the microtubules in our brain
[00:11:55.519] and the increasing science on that to
[00:11:58.000] connect with something external to our
[00:12:00.399] bodies. Yeah, I I do think that that's a
[00:12:03.040] debate that is happening. I don't have
[00:12:04.399] the definitive answer on it,
[00:12:06.079] >> but I'm certainly excited by it and I
[00:12:08.240] think it's the most exciting area for us
[00:12:10.320] to explore the area of human
[00:12:12.639] consciousness. I have no doubt that
[00:12:14.720] there is a consciousness connection to
[00:12:17.120] the whole UAP mystery.
[00:12:19.120] >> All right, we will go to Daniel. The
[00:12:21.040] UAPDA is now being proposed for the
[00:12:23.200] fourth time. Are you aware of any
[00:12:25.120] efforts to plate or work with small
[00:12:26.959] amount of staffers and members of
[00:12:28.399] Congress who seem dead set against it
[00:12:31.040] passing as a whole and what their
[00:12:33.120] primary reasons are for doing so?
[00:12:36.399] >> Okay. Well, let's start with the
[00:12:37.760] positive news. The positive news is
[00:12:39.600] we've done extensive interviews and
[00:12:41.680] private chats with a lot of politicians
[00:12:44.480] and there is no doubt at all that the
[00:12:46.720] UAP Disclosure Act is going to be reintu
[00:12:49.760] reintroduced into the the House. Uh
[00:12:52.240] Senator Mike Gr was one of the people
[00:12:53.920] that told us yesterday that's going to
[00:12:55.600] happen and uh as he has said uh the
[00:12:59.279] people who are blocking that bill will
[00:13:03.440] soon be known. If you know if there is
[00:13:05.279] obstruction it will be revealed. Uh the
[00:13:08.560] big issue I think is that there are
[00:13:10.320] staffers that are essentially proxies
[00:13:13.120] for the CIA, different agencies that are
[00:13:16.079] trying to control the narrative that
[00:13:18.320] operate very discreetly within the
[00:13:20.880] Congress. It's really interesting to see
[00:13:22.720] how power works in the Congress. Funny,
[00:13:25.279] when you walk along the corridors in the
[00:13:26.959] Senate buildings, everyone always looks
[00:13:29.279] up as you're walking along the corridor.
[00:13:31.279] Who is it? Is it somebody powerful? Is
[00:13:33.680] it somebody I need to tug my fallock to?
[00:13:35.760] And of course, as Megan and I walk past,
[00:13:37.440] they go, "Who is that beautiful woman?"
[00:13:39.040] And why is that decrepit old man walking
[00:13:41.040] along beside her?
[00:13:41.920] >> They're Nordics. They're too tall. It's
[00:13:44.240] unusual.
[00:13:45.519] >> But no, it's it's a fascinating thing
[00:13:47.200] because there are people inside the
[00:13:49.440] Congress. I have no doubt whatsoever.
[00:13:51.600] And I know some of their names. One of
[00:13:53.200] them, of course, is Mike Turner, who was
[00:13:55.600] notoriously the chap that defeated the
[00:13:57.519] UAP Disclosure Act last term. But um I
[00:14:01.279] think that you know we do need to name
[00:14:03.360] and shame these people because I think
[00:14:05.600] we absolutely need a UAP disclosure act
[00:14:09.360] reform that provides protections key
[00:14:12.079] protections for whistleblowers so that
[00:14:14.480] they can feel safe about coming forward.
[00:14:17.279] Time and time again this week I spoke to
[00:14:19.839] whistleblowers. I I had a chat this week
[00:14:21.920] to Jeff Nasatelli and congratulated him
[00:14:24.320] on his courage in coming forward and he
[00:14:26.800] was talking about the victimization and
[00:14:28.800] the intimidation that he has suffered.
[00:14:31.600] But we both concurred there is an
[00:14:33.760] absolute desperate need for some kind of
[00:14:36.880] amnesty. And the good news, the positive
[00:14:39.680] news is that Steven Miller, the deputy
[00:14:42.240] chief of staff of the White House, no
[00:14:44.399] less one of Donald Trump's right-hand
[00:14:46.800] men, is apparently taking the amnesty
[00:14:50.160] issue seriously, which is something else
[00:14:52.000] that the uh Representative Anna Paulina
[00:14:54.720] Luna, who we've also interviewed, spoke
[00:14:56.639] to us about. She's a lovely woman. I
[00:14:58.800] really enjoyed meeting her. She's got
[00:15:00.959] this beautiful little boy that was
[00:15:02.320] running around the halls of the Senate
[00:15:04.240] and he didn't want the chocolate that
[00:15:06.079] she was offering him and he was running
[00:15:07.600] around causing her mischief and it was
[00:15:09.279] quite humanizing to see this
[00:15:11.040] representative dealing with her little
[00:15:12.480] boy.
[00:15:12.800] >> Yeah.
[00:15:13.760] >> Anyway, moving on.
[00:15:15.040] >> Okay, we will go back to a specific
[00:15:17.279] question about the event and the
[00:15:18.399] panelist. Although all are procisure,
[00:15:20.720] what are some fundamental differences
[00:15:22.160] and opinion between the panelists that
[00:15:23.920] represent the differing schools of
[00:15:25.600] thought about NHI/tech
[00:15:27.680] and disclosure goals? not looking for
[00:15:29.920] division but to better understand the
[00:15:31.680] primary categorical perspectives. What
[00:15:34.399] schools of thought are represented and
[00:15:36.320] what may be missing? Where do you both
[00:15:38.079] land on the spectrum?
[00:15:39.360] >> Okay,
[00:15:41.279] this is a really interesting time.
[00:15:44.320] Things are coming to a head.
[00:15:50.000] I have to be really careful about this
[00:15:52.079] because there are people on both sides
[00:15:53.839] who I deeply respect, admire
[00:15:57.839] and have a great deal of affection for.
[00:16:01.519] There is a schism developing in UAP
[00:16:06.240] transparency.
[00:16:08.240] There is on one hand
[00:16:10.800] a faction that as early as 2015 2016
[00:16:16.240] were I believe crafted by I think a
[00:16:21.279] transparency faction within the legacy
[00:16:23.600] program to make some kind of controlled
[00:16:27.519] disclosure and I think we are in the
[00:16:29.920] early stages of an unraveling
[00:16:34.160] a revealing of what that faction was up
[00:16:37.440] to and is up to and they are one part of
[00:16:42.079] the
[00:16:43.839] schism that is developing.
[00:16:46.639] On the other side of the yawning chasm
[00:16:49.040] in UAPology,
[00:16:51.600] uh the group that I think I frankly am
[00:16:53.759] representative of which which is it's
[00:16:56.320] all of or nothing
[00:16:58.800] and that is the we've got a situation at
[00:17:01.600] the moment where the
[00:17:04.000] roll out of files in the war.go gov/UFO
[00:17:08.640] rollout
[00:17:10.400] has been a big fat nothing largely. I
[00:17:13.520] think the most recent tranch the third
[00:17:15.360] tranch was very interesting because they
[00:17:17.439] went a little bit further and showed
[00:17:20.319] that there are files
[00:17:24.160] sightings where even intelligence
[00:17:27.199] officials whom I actually understand
[00:17:29.120] were part of an FBI team investigating
[00:17:31.840] UAP sightings. So, while they were doing
[00:17:34.400] a UAP investigation, they themselves had
[00:17:38.080] a UAP sighting. And I think those files
[00:17:41.679] in and of themselves are fascinating
[00:17:43.200] because they show a greater degree of
[00:17:44.960] transparency than I've seen before by
[00:17:46.960] the Pentagon to admit to the fact that
[00:17:50.080] yes, there are things that we can't
[00:17:52.480] explain.
[00:17:54.720] But I worry that there is a control
[00:17:57.200] group that is within the Pentagon that
[00:17:59.679] is basically trying to restrict that
[00:18:01.679] narrative. And this is what the um
[00:18:03.760] governance committee and the UAP science
[00:18:06.960] advisory committee are all about.
[00:18:08.480] Notwithstanding I believe the good
[00:18:10.160] intentions of the people who we who
[00:18:12.320] would be part of those committees, I do
[00:18:14.799] think that there are people trying to
[00:18:17.919] impose blocks to try and slow down the
[00:18:21.280] momentum of disclosure.
[00:18:23.919] And I think a lot of it has to do with
[00:18:25.679] the fact that they're trying to control
[00:18:27.360] the narrative to I think slow down the
[00:18:31.520] possibility of a re a revelation about
[00:18:33.840] crash retrievals.
[00:18:36.480] It's obvious to me that the original
[00:18:40.000] intention of the TTSA to the stars
[00:18:45.360] academy 2016 2017
[00:18:49.360] was an attempt by sections of I think a
[00:18:52.640] well-intentioned group within the
[00:18:54.799] national security state that it was time
[00:18:57.440] to make some kind of controlled
[00:18:59.520] disclosure
[00:19:01.520] and there's push back all over at the
[00:19:03.600] moment. I don't think the national
[00:19:05.280] security state knows quite what to do.
[00:19:10.000] And I'm going to tell them right now
[00:19:11.600] what they need to do.
[00:19:14.559] They've got to stop this bloody nonsense
[00:19:17.600] where we have this ridictional
[00:19:19.120] ridiculous factional dispute happening
[00:19:21.280] within youthology, UAPology,
[00:19:24.559] where people are sniping at each other
[00:19:26.880] behind the scenes.
[00:19:29.280] Uh, it's pretty obvious, I'm not going
[00:19:31.840] to lie to you, that the gentleman that
[00:19:34.320] I've been talking about whom I suspect
[00:19:36.720] might be up for a big position is Lou
[00:19:40.080] Alzando.
[00:19:42.400] And as you may have noticed in recent
[00:19:44.559] weeks, I have been quite delicately
[00:19:48.160] outspoken in my belief on previous
[00:19:50.480] Q&As's that I think Lou needs to be more
[00:19:53.200] forthcoming about his past roles. And I
[00:19:59.039] like and respect Lou a lot. And I think
[00:20:02.480] he's in a difficult position because
[00:20:03.840] he's bound by his security oath about
[00:20:06.080] what he can reveal about his past roles.
[00:20:09.280] I know he can't talk about it. It's a
[00:20:11.360] ridiculous situation, but there are
[00:20:13.840] people who bitterly resent and don't
[00:20:16.960] think it's a good idea that Lou be
[00:20:18.880] appointed to a position of power in UAP
[00:20:22.799] transparency because they think that he
[00:20:25.520] was part of a previous agenda that was
[00:20:28.559] essentially to try to control the
[00:20:30.320] narrative to restrict what the public is
[00:20:34.000] entitled to know about the UAP
[00:20:36.400] disclosure. And I think a lot of this
[00:20:38.640] was an intention by James Clapper,
[00:20:40.720] General James Clapper, to try and impose
[00:20:43.600] a narrative on the public domain using
[00:20:46.080] Lou as a frontman, a highly urbane,
[00:20:48.960] articulate, and likable frontman to try
[00:20:52.640] to restrict what the public was told
[00:20:54.720] about crash retrievalss. And it struck
[00:20:57.200] me over the years that I've been
[00:20:58.480] covering this issue
[00:21:00.640] that
[00:21:02.320] the story that we ran with David Grush
[00:21:06.080] really wrongfooted all of this.
[00:21:09.120] That all of a sudden David comes out and
[00:21:12.400] says, "Hang on a moment. We're not just
[00:21:14.640] arguing here about whether there are
[00:21:16.240] aliens or not. What we're talking about
[00:21:18.080] here is a crash retrieval and reverse
[00:21:20.400] engineering program and I'm saying it's
[00:21:22.159] real." he says,
[00:21:24.159] >> and I think that did wrong foot that
[00:21:26.400] national security state attempt to try
[00:21:28.400] and provide a controlled disclosure.
[00:21:31.120] But I refuse to accept that the people
[00:21:35.280] like Lu Lzando who were part of that
[00:21:37.760] attempt at a controlled disclosure were
[00:21:40.320] motivated by bad things. They're
[00:21:42.400] patriots. They love their country. And
[00:21:44.880] I've spoken to people in the legacy
[00:21:46.559] program who knew Lou.
[00:21:50.240] Lou, I know a lot of people and they
[00:21:52.960] know you and I I know you can't speak
[00:21:55.360] about the role that you've held within
[00:21:57.120] the legacy program, but you did. And I
[00:22:00.799] think we've got to stop this nonsense
[00:22:02.159] because it's becoming destructive. There
[00:22:04.080] are factions and bitternesses beginning
[00:22:06.080] to develop within the UAP world. And I
[00:22:10.080] think it's in danger of blowing the
[00:22:11.760] whole thing apart because divide and
[00:22:13.440] rule is the moral of those the
[00:22:15.280] gatekeepers that would seek to put this
[00:22:16.960] all back into a box for another 50
[00:22:19.280] years. And that is their intent. I have
[00:22:21.360] no doubt at all that there is a faction
[00:22:23.520] that's currently arm twisting up on that
[00:22:26.080] hill up there that are trying to put all
[00:22:28.400] of this back in a box. And we are at an
[00:22:30.799] epic moment in human history right now
[00:22:33.600] where even though there was a cameraman
[00:22:35.679] called John who walked up to me earlier
[00:22:37.360] here in the NewsNation office. I
[00:22:38.799] promised I'd mention him. And he said to
[00:22:40.960] me that he was skeptical that there's
[00:22:42.480] any evidence that aliens are engaging
[00:22:44.559] with this planet. I promise you, John,
[00:22:47.280] they are absolutely no doubt about that.
[00:22:50.080] And there are people right up there on
[00:22:52.720] that hill this week who have confirmed
[00:22:54.559] that to me privately. And there are
[00:22:56.640] people over at the Pentagon here in
[00:22:58.799] Washington DC who have confirmed that to
[00:23:00.880] me. And just up the pot, there are the
[00:23:03.280] people in the CIA who talk about this
[00:23:05.360] constantly. And we've got to get over
[00:23:07.360] this pretense that essentially there is
[00:23:09.360] not a there there. There is definitely a
[00:23:12.080] there there. But what I am really
[00:23:14.559] fearful of right now is, and thank you
[00:23:16.880] to that viewer for asking that question.
[00:23:19.520] Basically, I I do think that there is a
[00:23:21.679] schism developing. I think we've got to
[00:23:23.600] get over the of not talking
[00:23:25.200] about it. Sorry, did I just say a bad
[00:23:26.799] word? Are you going to have to censor
[00:23:27.919] me?
[00:23:28.720] >> Sorry about that, Megan. All week has
[00:23:30.480] been stopping me from swearing and being
[00:23:32.080] rude and and obstreporous and upfront.
[00:23:34.880] But um no, I I do think that we're at a
[00:23:37.520] very difficult position because there is
[00:23:39.919] clearly a gatekeeper faction and Lou is
[00:23:42.640] not part of that gatekeeper faction that
[00:23:44.559] are trying to totally suppress the
[00:23:46.720] existence of crash retrievals and
[00:23:48.400] reverse engineering. And why do I
[00:23:50.320] believe that? Because he's talked
[00:23:51.679] candidly about the fact that Roswell was
[00:23:54.320] real and that there have been crash
[00:23:55.919] retrievals and that there has been
[00:23:57.679] reverse engineering. Now, he may not
[00:23:59.840] have done that if it wasn't for David
[00:24:01.600] Grush coming up, but the reality is I
[00:24:04.080] think we just have to move on and accept
[00:24:06.480] that there are well-intentioned people
[00:24:08.400] who do think that the public has a right
[00:24:10.640] to know. And it's what we what we don't
[00:24:14.480] know yet is what the decision is going
[00:24:16.559] to be from the White House about what
[00:24:18.320] the public has a right to know. Full
[00:24:20.320] stop. Because my worry is that the
[00:24:22.880] Steven Miller and Donald Trump, they're
[00:24:24.799] sitting there and Trump's thinking,
[00:24:26.880] "What do I do about this? I've I've
[00:24:29.200] received briefings from my senior
[00:24:31.039] intelligence people that yes, there are
[00:24:33.520] non-human intelligences." And I'm very
[00:24:35.520] sure Donald Trump knows that,
[00:24:38.240] >> but he's wrestling with the idea, what
[00:24:40.320] do I do with the evangelical right in
[00:24:42.640] this country? Are they going to be
[00:24:43.919] upset? Is there going to be an onlogical
[00:24:45.679] shock if I reveal this? Will the
[00:24:47.760] religious pastors be infuriated? And
[00:24:50.159] that's why I know the White House has
[00:24:52.400] been con consulting with pastors, with
[00:24:55.360] religious leaders, with evangelical
[00:24:57.440] leaders. It's wonderful that they're
[00:24:59.600] doing that and it's to be commended that
[00:25:02.000] we have a president that is in the
[00:25:03.600] position of even considering making this
[00:25:06.159] decision. But if the UAP community
[00:25:09.200] continues to allow itself to ignore
[00:25:12.720] what's going on behind the scenes, which
[00:25:14.799] is there is sniping, there is a faction,
[00:25:18.159] there is a war beginning to develop,
[00:25:20.559] people are muttering national security,
[00:25:23.440] things saying we can't talk about
[00:25:25.200] national security. And the bottom line
[00:25:27.440] is I don't buy it. I think Donald Trump
[00:25:30.240] is in a unique position right now where
[00:25:32.400] he can say, "Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:25:35.520] I Donald Trump, the greatest president
[00:25:37.600] in American history, well, that's of
[00:25:40.080] course what he would be if he did this,
[00:25:41.919] is going to reveal that non-human
[00:25:44.480] intelligence has been engaging with this
[00:25:46.640] planet." And there is a moment for
[00:25:49.200] greatness here. Any president that told
[00:25:51.520] the truth to the American public has an
[00:25:54.159] opportunity here to make a definitive
[00:25:57.440] statement about something that I know to
[00:25:59.760] be true.
[00:26:01.440] And he's wrestling with that decision
[00:26:03.440] right now. And the problem that we have
[00:26:06.000] is there is this factional schism
[00:26:07.840] beginning to develop inside the UAP
[00:26:10.400] debate. There are kind of glances across
[00:26:12.880] the room. different factions are
[00:26:14.799] checking each other out and one of those
[00:26:17.440] factions is muttering national security.
[00:26:20.159] They're worried that if they reveal the
[00:26:22.159] existence of a non-human intelligence,
[00:26:24.400] what they are going to do is inevitably
[00:26:26.640] have to reveal that yes, we have
[00:26:28.960] recovered artifacts from flying sources,
[00:26:31.760] alien spacecraft, non-human technology.
[00:26:34.799] That yes, not too far from here, there
[00:26:37.039] are deep underground military bases that
[00:26:39.200] hold portions of nonhuman technology.
[00:26:43.039] and very close to Washington DC
[00:26:46.080] biologics the remains of non-human
[00:26:49.279] intelligences.
[00:26:51.760] >> I have a really quick side story.
[00:26:53.679] >> Sure.
[00:26:54.159] >> Uh our team was our reality check team
[00:26:56.480] was having dinner last night and during
[00:26:58.480] this dinner you said
[00:27:00.720] >> I think I've said maybe four times that
[00:27:02.960] Donald Trump would be the greatest
[00:27:04.320] president in in the history if he
[00:27:06.080] revealed this secret. And our jaws hit
[00:27:09.279] the ground. We're like four. Ros Russ,
[00:27:12.640] you're on 801. That that was I've been
[00:27:15.200] counting.
[00:27:15.679] >> I'm trying to get a message through to
[00:27:17.039] the president that he has an
[00:27:18.320] opportunity, you know, and whatever you
[00:27:20.240] think of Donald Trump,
[00:27:22.799] >> frankly, to be the person who reveals
[00:27:26.080] that there has been an 80 plus year lie
[00:27:30.080] perpetrated on the American public and
[00:27:32.240] the world with the discovery of
[00:27:34.320] non-human intelligence engaging with
[00:27:36.159] this planet. That is an opportunity, a
[00:27:38.720] definitive moment for greatness.
[00:27:40.159] Whatever you think of his politics,
[00:27:41.600] whatever you think of the Epstein files
[00:27:43.520] saga, the bottom line is he has an
[00:27:46.400] opportunity. And I think the American
[00:27:49.039] public would embrace
[00:27:51.760] anybody that shows cander and honesty
[00:27:54.320] because the thing that I find really
[00:27:56.799] interesting about this term,
[00:27:59.440] everybody is so upset and angry with
[00:28:03.919] those people up on the hill. They really
[00:28:06.720] are. They hate their politicians. And
[00:28:09.440] yet, I was listening to one of the
[00:28:11.039] NewsNation shows the other night and
[00:28:12.480] they were talking about both Democrats
[00:28:14.080] and Republicans. Both sides are in the
[00:28:17.120] 80s in terms of their belief that there
[00:28:19.360] is a non-human intelligence that's been
[00:28:21.440] engaging with this planet. And yet we
[00:28:23.679] have this where we have members
[00:28:26.159] of the national security state a type
[00:28:28.960] males mainly many of them with a huge
[00:28:31.200] chip on their shoulder because they're
[00:28:32.559] deeply deeply deeply religious and they
[00:28:34.720] don't think that deeply deeply religious
[00:28:36.480] people should believe in the idea of
[00:28:38.480] non-human intelligences which is a
[00:28:40.159] complete nonsense and we can get to
[00:28:41.440] that.
[00:28:41.919] >> Absolutely. Um, I I just think it's
[00:28:44.320] outrageous. And I think the thing that's
[00:28:46.880] really impressed me during this week has
[00:28:49.600] been the number of really lovely people.
[00:28:52.159] And I've been taken aback by the
[00:28:53.919] generosity and the kindness of people
[00:28:56.240] that have just ausively walked up to me
[00:28:58.000] and wanted to shake my hand and say
[00:28:59.679] thank you because I'm just doing my job.
[00:29:03.520] I mean, journalists should be asking
[00:29:05.679] these questions. I don't understand how
[00:29:08.399] any ma me member of the mainstream media
[00:29:11.279] couldn't talk to the huge range of
[00:29:13.840] sources that I've been speaking to for
[00:29:15.679] the last few years. All of them could
[00:29:18.240] have informed themselves the way that
[00:29:19.760] I've informed themselves and not reach a
[00:29:21.840] definitive conclusion that the
[00:29:23.520] government is lying to you.
[00:29:26.399] Nothing could heal the national body
[00:29:29.679] politic more than a definitive statement
[00:29:32.640] from government. a cancer to root out a
[00:29:35.760] cancer that is at the heart of the
[00:29:37.600] national security state. A lie, a dirty
[00:29:41.120] black lie that goes right back to the
[00:29:44.159] death of JFK, the death of James
[00:29:46.799] Foresttol. It's time to excise this
[00:29:49.760] dirty secret. Bring it out. And Mr.
[00:29:53.279] President, you have your opportunity.
[00:29:55.200] 802.
[00:29:57.200] >> I'm literally writing it down for that
[00:29:59.120] was 802. All right. This is this is an
[00:30:01.600] interesting question. Um, we've had this
[00:30:03.120] conversation before. Ross and Megan,
[00:30:05.039] here's a question that relates directly
[00:30:06.399] to why the powerful may not want
[00:30:08.240] disclosure. What would happen to Elon
[00:30:10.159] Musk Musk SpaceX with its recent
[00:30:12.640] trillion dollar IPO and its 60-year-old
[00:30:15.039] rocket technology or NASA's future lunar
[00:30:17.039] aspirations on said technology if it is
[00:30:19.760] revealed? We've already backgineered
[00:30:21.840] alien anti-gravidic or other exotic
[00:30:24.080] propulsion methods. Trillionaires may
[00:30:26.320] not want to know. Keep it up.
[00:30:28.640] Well, as you know, Megan, assiduous
[00:30:31.440] watchers of Reality Check would know
[00:30:33.440] that. I have asserted multiple times
[00:30:36.000] previously that I do think Elon Musk has
[00:30:38.559] been briefed into the program. And I
[00:30:41.440] know he has consistently told people
[00:30:43.360] like podcaster Joe Rogan and others that
[00:30:46.559] he doesn't know anything about aliens.
[00:30:48.559] And I'm not buying that. I'm sorry. I I
[00:30:51.120] think SpaceX does have people in SpaceX
[00:30:54.559] do have top secret SCI clearances. And
[00:30:57.600] I'm pretty sure they've been read into
[00:31:00.080] various parts of the program. Maybe not
[00:31:02.000] the whole full thing, but I wouldn't be
[00:31:04.159] surprised at all if the reasons for why
[00:31:06.799] Elon Musk changed his strategy from Mars
[00:31:09.919] to the moon had a lot to do with what
[00:31:12.320] he's learned about what's going on on
[00:31:15.039] the moon. More on that to come. Um, I do
[00:31:20.000] think Elon knows, but more broadly, yes,
[00:31:24.559] if you look at the top 100 companies in
[00:31:26.960] the United States stock exchange,
[00:31:30.399] >> a huge number of them rely on oil.
[00:31:35.679] It's all about oil. It's all about the
[00:31:38.159] Middle East. Why are we fighting a war
[00:31:39.760] in the Middle East? Oil. Imagine how the
[00:31:43.679] entire world economy could tip on its
[00:31:46.000] end if oil suddenly doesn't become the
[00:31:50.000] imperative that drives our economy. And
[00:31:53.360] yes, I'm not making excuses for them. If
[00:31:55.840] I was the CEO of one of the major blue
[00:31:58.799] chip companies, one of the industrial
[00:32:00.559] leviathans of this country, I would be
[00:32:03.840] very worried about the implications for
[00:32:06.320] my company, my corporation, if all of a
[00:32:09.519] sudden overnight the oil industry became
[00:32:12.640] irrelevant.
[00:32:14.159] >> And I know it sounds like a a paranoid
[00:32:16.880] conspiracy theory, but one of the people
[00:32:18.880] who's explained this best is Anthony
[00:32:20.559] Scaramucci on the rest is politics US,
[00:32:23.039] who I'm a huge fan of. the mooch call
[00:32:25.760] out to you, sir. He actually sent me a
[00:32:27.679] message once and said how much he likes
[00:32:29.200] reality checks. So, that was very kind
[00:32:30.799] of him. But I do know that um you know,
[00:32:34.880] he's explained very very well how much
[00:32:37.600] the entire US dollar is pegged to the
[00:32:42.320] continued success of the oil industry.
[00:32:44.960] the fact that Henry Kissinger went
[00:32:46.799] across to the Middle East in the 1970s
[00:32:49.440] and negotiated with the Saudis that the
[00:32:52.320] only currency that would be used to buy
[00:32:55.440] Middle East oil was the US dollar. And
[00:32:59.360] look at what's happening right now.
[00:33:00.960] Iran's been selling its oil for Chinese
[00:33:04.720] money, Russian money. There is already
[00:33:08.159] the beginning of an undermining of the
[00:33:10.000] petro dollar, the US dollar. And I think
[00:33:12.960] there's a very interesting shift
[00:33:14.399] happening at the moment geopolitically
[00:33:16.399] that I think the US industry is
[00:33:18.240] beginning to be aware of that it's no
[00:33:20.159] longer sustainable for the petro dollar
[00:33:22.640] to be the dominant currency. So I think
[00:33:25.440] this is the beginning of an awareness of
[00:33:26.960] that. I'm not an economist, but I am
[00:33:29.440] fascinated by the fact that um uh yes
[00:33:34.320] um there is a debate that's happening
[00:33:36.640] about whether or not we should um uh
[00:33:40.000] allow uh disclosure because of the
[00:33:42.399] impact that it might have on the US
[00:33:44.000] economy. But I think that debate has to
[00:33:46.480] happen.
[00:33:47.120] >> Y let's move um back over to aliens.
[00:33:50.559] Dear Ross and Megan, in discussions,
[00:33:52.880] there's the question about crash
[00:33:54.000] retrievalss and alien bodies. Why is
[00:33:56.640] nobody asking if there are live ones? If
[00:33:59.760] yes, how many? Where are they? Who are
[00:34:01.760] they? And are they being kept as
[00:34:04.159] prisoners? Many thanks. May the truth
[00:34:06.320] come out soon. Else.
[00:34:09.119] Oh, this is a tricky one. I can't say
[00:34:11.679] anything I know for sure
[00:34:14.960] because
[00:34:16.720] none of my sources have seen living
[00:34:20.159] beings working directly with
[00:34:24.800] humans.
[00:34:27.280] I have a single data source
[00:34:31.040] that has alleged that they have been in
[00:34:33.359] a deep underground military base where
[00:34:36.240] humans have been with non-human beings.
[00:34:39.200] But I don't feel comfortable asserting
[00:34:40.960] that with confidence because I don't
[00:34:43.520] have a corroborative source to back it
[00:34:45.679] up.
[00:34:47.359] There is an abundance of other evidence,
[00:34:51.359] some of which is in the public domain
[00:34:53.040] already,
[00:34:54.560] which excuse me, I'm going to take a
[00:34:55.919] drink.
[00:35:00.800] There's an abundance of evidence, some
[00:35:02.320] of which is already in the public
[00:35:03.520] domain. It's been written about in other
[00:35:05.040] UFO books to suggest that there have
[00:35:08.240] been retrieved living beings.
[00:35:12.960] And certainly I I do think that Roswell
[00:35:15.280] crash is one example that at least one
[00:35:16.960] of the beings in the Roswell crash did
[00:35:19.760] survive. Um
[00:35:23.200] uh I don't know enough about that to be
[00:35:25.200] able to say for sure if there are beings
[00:35:26.960] still alive today. What I do believe is
[00:35:29.839] that the United States irrefutably has
[00:35:32.000] recovered biologics beings and that's
[00:35:35.119] what David Gush was talking about when
[00:35:36.640] he did the interview with us in 2023 on
[00:35:39.280] NewsNation.
[00:35:41.040] And I'm certainly aware that the United
[00:35:44.400] States has retrieved multiple many dead
[00:35:49.280] non-human beings of different species
[00:35:52.400] >> possibly from version as well.
[00:35:54.320] >> Yeah. This is the thing that really
[00:35:55.680] fascinates me is the debunkers bleet.
[00:35:59.040] Oh, where's the evidence? But the simple
[00:36:00.800] fact is you've got people like Dr. Eric
[00:36:03.280] Davis who had a direct conversation with
[00:36:06.079] George Herbert Walker Bush, former
[00:36:08.480] president of the United States, and they
[00:36:10.640] talked about the government engaging
[00:36:12.960] with non-human beings at an air force
[00:36:15.680] base. This was acknowledged to Dr. Eric
[00:36:18.880] Davis by a president of the United
[00:36:20.960] States, former
[00:36:23.359] uh there have been admissions made by
[00:36:25.680] Eric and others about different species
[00:36:28.160] of beings.
[00:36:30.000] I was at an event earlier this week
[00:36:31.680] where Dr. Hal Putoff started talking
[00:36:33.680] about multiple species of beings. Uh I
[00:36:37.200] don't think really this is why I don't
[00:36:40.880] think the American public are going to
[00:36:42.880] buy much longer a continued attempt by
[00:36:46.400] the government at an evasive controlled
[00:36:48.960] disclosure. Oh gosh. Look, we've
[00:36:51.839] released these files to you. Aren't you
[00:36:53.599] lucky that we've given you these blurry
[00:36:55.440] images of docu docu UFOs? Isn't it
[00:36:59.040] astonishing how open and transparent
[00:37:00.720] we're being when all the while the
[00:37:03.680] president and his advisers know? They
[00:37:06.400] know full well. Not only is there better
[00:37:08.160] imagery, they have much more definitive
[00:37:10.720] definitive evidence about what the
[00:37:12.240] government knows. And yes, there are
[00:37:14.800] things that the government doesn't know
[00:37:16.960] about, particularly intent. And I think
[00:37:20.320] this is the thing that is driving a lot
[00:37:21.839] of the national security concerns. Yes,
[00:37:24.400] we are aware of a non-human intelligence
[00:37:26.480] presence on this planet. And people
[00:37:29.359] like, for example, Dr. Steven Greer say
[00:37:31.520] that we should treat them all
[00:37:32.800] benevolently and it's all happy clappy
[00:37:34.640] and love and kindness. But frankly, when
[00:37:37.119] we don't know intent, it is the default
[00:37:40.079] imperative of anybody in a national
[00:37:41.839] security intelligence role to assume
[00:37:44.560] that there is a threat. And so when they
[00:37:47.359] talk about threat, they're not talking
[00:37:48.720] about an imminent alien invasion or
[00:37:50.560] something like that. They're just
[00:37:51.599] talking about the unknown is by
[00:37:54.160] definition a threat. If we don't
[00:37:56.240] understand something, if we don't know
[00:37:58.160] something, it's a threat. So, I I just
[00:38:02.240] think there has to be a way of
[00:38:03.440] overcoming all of this bickering and
[00:38:05.680] divisiveness and nonsense. The
[00:38:07.359] government has to make a decision soon,
[00:38:09.359] otherwise, frankly, the public's going
[00:38:10.880] to give up with you. It's a bit like the
[00:38:13.280] internet moving on from a lot of the,
[00:38:15.359] you know, the media industry. You know,
[00:38:16.880] it's basically in danger of turning
[00:38:19.040] itself into a dinosaur if it doesn't
[00:38:20.880] accept that people are engaging in a
[00:38:22.640] different way with their information.
[00:38:24.480] Young people are engaging through their
[00:38:26.880] phones and through their online media in
[00:38:28.800] a way that didn't happen previously that
[00:38:31.119] gives them access to information in a
[00:38:33.119] way that the government can't control.
[00:38:35.520] This is an opportunity for them to seize
[00:38:37.280] the imperative to seize the agenda and
[00:38:39.760] actually make a stamp on being
[00:38:41.520] transparent and honest and restoring
[00:38:43.680] faith in American democracy. It's more
[00:38:45.920] than just UAPs. Actually, actually quite
[00:38:48.320] a few politicians this week actually
[00:38:49.760] said that to me. They said this is about
[00:38:52.640] democracy. It's about restoring faith in
[00:38:55.359] American democracy. And it truly is. If
[00:38:58.240] you root this silly lie out of the body
[00:39:01.680] politic of the national security state.
[00:39:04.160] If you start telling the truth to the
[00:39:05.760] American public and if you don't assume
[00:39:08.079] that they're idiots and that they're
[00:39:09.520] going to demand access to all
[00:39:11.280] information and just say, "Look, there
[00:39:13.119] are things we can't tell you, things we
[00:39:14.800] can't reveal to you." I don't think the
[00:39:17.200] public would have a problem with that.
[00:39:20.400] >> All right, we will go back into
[00:39:22.079] religion. Hi, Ross and Megan. I love
[00:39:24.000] your Q&A show. Thank you, Ross. I've
[00:39:25.920] been hearing about this shadowy assembly
[00:39:27.680] of Christian fundamentals called Collins
[00:39:29.680] Elite. Supposedly, they believe that
[00:39:31.200] UAPs and UFOs are the work of the devil
[00:39:33.520] and should not be acknowledged by we
[00:39:35.280] humans. What do you know about the
[00:39:36.800] Collins Elite?
[00:39:38.480] >> Uh, it's a great story. It goes right
[00:39:40.400] back to the story of Jack Parsons, who
[00:39:42.960] was the creator of JPL Labs, which was
[00:39:46.000] the rocket laboratory in California. And
[00:39:48.640] Jack was completely unhinged and was
[00:39:50.800] really into the occult and devil worship
[00:39:52.800] and Satanism. And he was really
[00:39:55.599] fascinated with the possibility of
[00:39:57.760] demonic forces. And he was into luc
[00:40:01.520] luciththeran ideas and uh uh
[00:40:04.400] antithetical ideas of course to
[00:40:06.320] Christian beliefs. And um it made him
[00:40:09.520] very unpopular with a lot of more
[00:40:11.440] conservative Christian types. But
[00:40:13.280] essentially,
[00:40:15.040] fascinatingly, uh, Nick Redernn tells
[00:40:17.280] this story well. He's a British author
[00:40:19.200] who's written a book the name of which I
[00:40:20.960] can't momentarily remember, but all
[00:40:23.200] credit to Nick. Nick basically explained
[00:40:25.200] that he spoke to people who told him
[00:40:27.760] that the Collins elite is real. And by
[00:40:30.560] the way, Lu Alzando told us in an
[00:40:32.560] interview with reality check about two
[00:40:34.480] years ago when he was promoting his book
[00:40:36.800] imminent that he was aware of the
[00:40:38.640] existence of a so-called Collins elite
[00:40:40.720] in the Pentagon. And what they are is a
[00:40:43.760] deeply religious group within the
[00:40:46.000] Pentagon. A lot of them are in the US
[00:40:47.839] Air Force who hold strong evangelical
[00:40:51.119] religious beliefs, which I have
[00:40:52.480] absolutely no problem with, by the way.
[00:40:54.720] Um, and that these people believe that
[00:40:57.280] it's demonic to even discuss or engage
[00:41:00.880] with the UAP topic, that it's dangerous
[00:41:03.599] and evil, and that we shouldn't be going
[00:41:05.520] there because to do that is to engage
[00:41:07.440] with demonic ideas. And a lot of this
[00:41:10.079] goes back to the 1952 Washington flyover
[00:41:13.119] because Parsons was a group part of a
[00:41:16.160] group that became known as the Collins
[00:41:18.880] Elite that were roped in by the CIA and
[00:41:23.440] other agencies back in the 1950s after
[00:41:25.760] the mysterious Washington UFO flyover
[00:41:28.560] where literally alien craft allegedly
[00:41:32.000] flew over Washington DC and flew over
[00:41:34.160] that building right there. And what
[00:41:36.720] happened was um there was an
[00:41:39.119] investigation into what this was all
[00:41:41.280] about. And so the secret investigation
[00:41:44.960] was done and I'm told well Nick Redford
[00:41:48.319] reports that he had a CIA source who
[00:41:50.160] told him this. I'm told that they
[00:41:52.640] concluded that it was demonic and that
[00:41:55.520] the UAP phenomenon was demonic. I mean,
[00:41:58.480] be advised, of course, this is back in
[00:42:00.079] the 1950s, and what they interpret as
[00:42:02.800] demonic can be seen through the prism of
[00:42:05.200] what we today might see as something
[00:42:07.680] ultraterrestrial or or interdimensional
[00:42:10.319] or whatever you want to call it, UAP.
[00:42:12.960] But um the Collins elite dubbed
[00:42:15.680] themselves the Collins elite because one
[00:42:18.319] of their group I'm trying to remember
[00:42:20.240] this now. One of their group had a
[00:42:22.079] friend in the OSS,
[00:42:24.400] the precursor for the CIA, the World War
[00:42:26.880] II intelligence arm. And he had a friend
[00:42:30.640] who lived in the town of Collins. It's a
[00:42:32.720] farming family all around the town of
[00:42:34.319] Collins near here in Washington DC. And
[00:42:37.920] as a joke, the group called themselves
[00:42:40.319] the Collins elite because this town was
[00:42:42.800] full of Quakers. People who were of deep
[00:42:45.359] obviously wonderful Quaker people are
[00:42:47.200] lovely people. I had a drama teacher
[00:42:49.280] called Hal Smith who was a Quaker.
[00:42:51.040] Beautiful man. And uh he was an absolute
[00:42:53.520] bombthrower. I think it was him who
[00:42:55.359] actually taught me to be mischievous.
[00:42:56.800] >> Yeah. You took drama.
[00:43:00.480] But um no, the Quakers uh are are big
[00:43:03.599] apparently around the town of Collins.
[00:43:05.520] And it was kind of an in-house joke that
[00:43:07.839] they chose the name Collins in
[00:43:10.000] difference to one of their group who was
[00:43:11.680] a Quaker and who was the most unlikely
[00:43:14.319] person to be demonic or or in any way um
[00:43:17.440] Luciferian. But um yes, the Collins
[00:43:20.640] elite is real. Uh I don't think there's
[00:43:23.839] actually a group that have a name on the
[00:43:25.119] door called the Collins Elite. It's a
[00:43:27.040] generic term. term. It's not an official
[00:43:28.880] term used to describe a people, a group
[00:43:31.520] of people mainly in the Pentagon and the
[00:43:33.760] intelligence community who do hold the
[00:43:36.079] view that to engage with the UAP topic
[00:43:39.119] is dangerous because it engages with
[00:43:41.760] demonic ideas.
[00:43:44.400] >> Okay, we will head to one more. We've
[00:43:47.599] got Captain Pan. If the time to prepare
[00:43:49.920] is now, should businesses and other
[00:43:52.640] organizations start to get ready?
[00:43:56.400] Well, that's the purpose of our
[00:43:57.760] interview the other day with Matthew
[00:43:59.040] Tuttle from Tuttle Capital. I mean, he's
[00:44:01.200] saying that businesses need to get ready
[00:44:03.040] to start investing in UAP technology.
[00:44:06.160] And I I saw Matthew, shout out to
[00:44:08.079] Matthew, at the uh Disclosure Foundation
[00:44:10.800] event. And it was great to see a
[00:44:12.640] businessman on the front foot engaging
[00:44:15.440] with people at the spearhead tip of the
[00:44:18.640] UAP disclosure issue. And it struck me
[00:44:22.079] Matthew's going to be one of the first
[00:44:23.599] businessmen to be making prudent
[00:44:25.200] investments into the new industries that
[00:44:28.240] come out of UAP disclosure. And yes,
[00:44:31.839] businesses do need to start thinking
[00:44:33.760] about this. Disclosure is going to
[00:44:36.240] happen. I think it's inevitable. And
[00:44:38.240] yes, if I was the oil industry, I would
[00:44:40.960] be very, very nervous.
[00:44:44.400] Okay, Ross, I unfortunately could go for
[00:44:46.800] a couple more hours, but we're squatting
[00:44:48.560] in this beautiful studio and they're
[00:44:49.839] going to kick us.
[00:44:50.319] >> I know. Let's just hang around.
[00:44:52.079] Apparently, we've got to be out of here
[00:44:53.200] by 12:30 half an hour. Maybe we should
[00:44:56.160] go. You know, guys, we're not leaving.
[00:44:57.359] We're kind of enjoying it.
[00:44:58.640] >> Yeah, we'll just do the Q&A for about 3
[00:45:00.800] hours until they drag us out by our
[00:45:03.359] toes. But,
[00:45:04.000] >> are we finished, are we?
[00:45:05.200] >> Yeah. I'm sad. I'm really I'm sad. Well,
[00:45:08.000] look, it's been great working with you
[00:45:09.280] on the ground this week, Megan. I really
[00:45:11.119] I really have enjoyed it and I'm so
[00:45:13.760] proud of what we've done on Reality
[00:45:15.599] Check. My thanks to Andy Gibson, Rob
[00:45:18.400] Jones, the team here in the studio at
[00:45:20.880] News Nation. It's been very welcoming
[00:45:22.800] and kind of everybody here. It's been
[00:45:25.040] lovely to actually have everybody um
[00:45:27.280] walking up to me. And it's funny, the
[00:45:29.040] UFO topic, it's gone from being
[00:45:32.079] stigmatized and ridiculed. I'm really
[00:45:34.880] struck by how out there on the street, I
[00:45:37.520] was walking through those gardens on the
[00:45:39.119] way to the capital building the other
[00:45:40.720] day and you and I were doing a photo
[00:45:42.880] shoot and I almost didn't get back here
[00:45:44.800] because people stopped me and walked up
[00:45:48.160] to me demanding to say hi and shake my
[00:45:50.640] hand and talk about reality check and
[00:45:52.400] how much they love the show. And it does
[00:45:54.400] have a high degree of um
[00:45:56.720] identifiability. people recognize and
[00:45:59.280] engage in a way that frankly is quite
[00:46:02.880] refreshing for me as a journalist
[00:46:04.319] because in Australia if you're a
[00:46:06.240] journalist people generally walk up to
[00:46:08.079] you and go you mongrel yeah I think
[00:46:10.000] you're better than the rest of us
[00:46:13.040] >> so listen it's been great working with
[00:46:14.880] you
[00:46:15.760] >> uh and looking forward to many many more
[00:46:17.599] I'm sorry that I have to get back on a
[00:46:19.440] plane for 24 hours to fly back to
[00:46:21.599] Australia
[00:46:22.720] >> but um maybe we should remind people
[00:46:24.720] that if they do want to send questions
[00:46:26.880] into reality check, you can send it into
[00:46:29.040] reality check@newsnationow.com.
[00:46:32.880] You shouldn't, of course, just be
[00:46:34.480] listening to us, but if you do want to
[00:46:36.240] listen to us as you're doing your
[00:46:37.440] exercise in the gymnasium, uh, then you
[00:46:40.079] can go on all good audio platforms,
[00:46:42.640] including Audible and Spotify, and
[00:46:45.359] please remember,
[00:46:47.119] >> what should we remember, Megan?
[00:46:48.640] >> Too much reality check
[00:46:50.079] >> is barely enough.
[00:46:52.319] >> Thank you very much. Good to be working
[00:46:54.400] with you.