Whistling Mike on Total Disclosure (May 2026)

Source: YouTube, Total Disclosure Podcast, "This Man Discovered What Doesn't Belong On Earth & Paid The Price." Published: 2026-05-17. Duration: 2:51:12. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb0C8JxVj4k. Extraction: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps. Captured: 2026-08-27. Machine transcription may contain minor errors. Analysis: ../../sources/whistling-mike-contractor-claimant.

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[00:00:00.240] Welcome back to Total Disclosure, the
[00:00:02.639] podcast. Today we have an exclusive
[00:00:05.759] episode just for Total Disclosure
[00:00:08.800] listeners. Now, in the shadows of the
[00:00:11.120] most classified programs on Earth,
[00:00:14.400] there's one man who is risking
[00:00:17.119] everything, his reputation, his career,
[00:00:20.400] and even his life. And now, he's not a
[00:00:22.880] career spy. He's not a politician. He is
[00:00:26.640] a contractor who had an experience, who
[00:00:30.480] stumbled upon something that was never
[00:00:32.880] meant to be seen in the plains of
[00:00:35.680] Kansas. Advanced materials or
[00:00:39.280] metamaterials, technology that defy
[00:00:42.399] known physics, objects that could be
[00:00:45.600] ours, but the question more so becomes,
[00:00:49.440] where did we get them? What he found
[00:00:51.280] changed his life forever. And then the
[00:00:54.160] death threats followed. federal
[00:00:56.160] investigators got involved and yet he is
[00:00:58.879] still choosing to speak. This is not
[00:01:01.120] another blurry lights in the sky story.
[00:01:03.680] However, a firsthand account from inside
[00:01:06.159] the machine and for the first time in
[00:01:08.640] this exclusive no holds barred
[00:01:11.200] interview, a man known only as whistling
[00:01:14.400] Mike steps out of the darkness. Now, we
[00:01:16.880] did have to protect his identity, so we
[00:01:19.520] filmed this episode accordingly given
[00:01:22.159] the circumstance. He will tell you what
[00:01:24.159] he saw and what they tried to bury and
[00:01:26.400] why powerful forces still want this
[00:01:29.520] story silenced. This is total disclosure
[00:01:33.600] from a man who never wanted to but was
[00:01:36.799] forced to speak up. Welcome to the show.
[00:01:40.479] My next guest is UFO whistleblower
[00:01:44.000] whistle and mic.
[00:02:17.200] Heat.
[00:02:38.560] Heat.
[00:02:42.720] Heat.
[00:03:02.000] Heat.
[00:03:17.040] Welcome back everybody. I'm so happy to
[00:03:20.800] be doing this today. You know, it's not
[00:03:22.879] every day that I get to sit down with
[00:03:25.200] someone with such an incredible insight
[00:03:28.159] into the world of the black program
[00:03:30.480] government contracting world and you
[00:03:33.599] know why especially right now we are
[00:03:37.360] taking this so seriously. Uh so of
[00:03:40.720] course I want to start the interview
[00:03:42.159] with maybe getting a little bit about
[00:03:44.319] you and why we have to film this way. I
[00:03:47.360] just kind of want to get that out of the
[00:03:48.720] way. Um, why do we have to conceal your
[00:03:51.599] identity? I was working on concealing my
[00:03:54.239] own identity and then naturally some
[00:03:57.439] things changed mainly with Tim Phillips
[00:04:00.000] when he did go on the MC West podcast
[00:04:02.159] and announced that there was a
[00:04:04.400] particular person who had physical
[00:04:06.480] material and pieces and he felt like
[00:04:08.799] that person was trying to extort Daryl
[00:04:12.159] and that based on what he heard from the
[00:04:13.920] senator staffers he wouldn't have that
[00:04:16.079] person around his family and then went
[00:04:18.720] on to conclude that they had turned that
[00:04:20.400] over to the FBI and so on,
[00:04:25.360] >> you know, Arrow tried or someone tried
[00:04:27.280] to get Arrow's seal of approval. There
[00:04:29.440] was another claim made that there was a
[00:04:32.000] person and he now goes by uh whistling
[00:04:35.600] mic on on X and he's made some claims
[00:04:40.160] and Burles
[00:04:42.080] has said he's a interesting person and
[00:04:45.759] uh he's a defense contractor who's
[00:04:48.560] trying to get contracts with the US
[00:04:51.120] government and he came to Arrow with a
[00:04:54.320] story and uh what you say is that that
[00:04:59.280] there was a an attempt at extortion. Um,
[00:05:02.720] can you address this and clear this up?
[00:05:05.680] What happened there?
[00:05:06.800] >> We had a referral when I was the acting
[00:05:09.680] director. Uh, chairman of one of the
[00:05:11.919] oversight committees asked us to uh meet
[00:05:15.680] with an individual that claimed to have
[00:05:19.520] reported to us a UAP part. Um, when we
[00:05:23.120] actually met with this individual, what
[00:05:26.080] we realized is the claim was that he
[00:05:29.280] recovered a part that that
[00:05:33.520] fell from a an advanced US stealth
[00:05:37.039] aircraft.
[00:05:39.039] So, the part that he recovered was
[00:05:41.680] actually a piece of government property.
[00:05:44.880] Um this individual
[00:05:47.680] um came up with a new manufacturing
[00:05:51.199] process to duplicate the part. Um wanted
[00:05:56.639] found a or developed a procedure to be
[00:06:00.479] able to detect these advanced aircraft.
[00:06:03.840] At one point, uh, there was a claim that
[00:06:06.960] wanted us to purchase the part or they
[00:06:10.240] was going to sell it to another foreign
[00:06:12.560] entity such as the Chinese. To us, that
[00:06:15.440] sounded like extortion and that's how we
[00:06:17.440] treated it and we referred it off to the
[00:06:19.759] FBI. But that was kind of the end of
[00:06:21.600] that. The fact that someone recovered a
[00:06:24.319] part from aircraft, that right there
[00:06:27.280] means it's not it's not an arrows uh
[00:06:30.479] mission set. Arrow investigates UAP.
[00:06:33.280] some of the things within his statements
[00:06:35.039] that he said that he's missed is he also
[00:06:37.199] forgot to confirm that even within the
[00:06:38.960] aerial office they did validate the
[00:06:42.400] death threats that came in from
[00:06:43.759] adversary countries. So with that said
[00:06:46.880] folks are looking for me and it's not
[00:06:49.039] just the the community that is here such
[00:06:51.440] as the cases we've seen with a lot of
[00:06:53.280] folks that have gone missing and we
[00:06:54.800] don't know why I'm on that list and so
[00:06:58.639] showing my face helps them. It's not
[00:07:01.039] about guarding myself from the public or
[00:07:02.880] getting to know people. It's just safety
[00:07:04.880] for me and my family.
[00:07:06.400] >> So, it's safe to say that you're not
[00:07:07.840] hiding from the UFO community or even
[00:07:11.599] the public in general. You're protecting
[00:07:15.840] yourself against the man quote unquote
[00:07:20.000] or, you know, the people that seek to do
[00:07:22.720] harm to those who get too close to this
[00:07:25.280] subject but also interact with the
[00:07:27.440] public.
[00:07:28.240] >> Correct. So when China says they're
[00:07:30.000] going to wipe me off the face of the
[00:07:31.360] earth, they usually mean it. So right,
[00:07:33.599] showing them what I look like doesn't
[00:07:35.919] help anyone out other than them.
[00:07:38.639] >> So, okay, with that being said, I mean,
[00:07:40.880] I really do want to say thank you for
[00:07:42.560] taking the time out of your day to do
[00:07:44.000] this. Um, can you tell the audience a
[00:07:46.560] bit about yourself? Um, and what you're
[00:07:49.919] hoping to get from an interview like
[00:07:52.560] this? So
[00:07:54.080] >> yeah, you know, originally when I
[00:07:55.680] started this was a project where I
[00:07:57.680] happened to come upon a UAP craft and it
[00:08:01.039] worked through its various stages. Now I
[00:08:03.199] always looked at it as a technology
[00:08:04.879] standpoint as a business standpoint as
[00:08:07.599] we built it. So we've developed
[00:08:09.680] technology not just within the UAP
[00:08:11.680] community but goes directly into the
[00:08:13.280] defense contracting community. That's
[00:08:16.319] where I've been. However, with that
[00:08:19.199] said, I am forging my own path. That's
[00:08:22.240] been said to us from several senators,
[00:08:24.240] from the Pentagon, and from funding.
[00:08:26.720] You're in uncharted territory. So, I
[00:08:28.720] have ran into issues getting a contract
[00:08:31.280] through, but I've went through several
[00:08:33.599] titles, whether it be witness,
[00:08:35.519] whistleblower. As of right now, I'm just
[00:08:37.839] focused on one, and that is essentially
[00:08:39.599] an arms dealer. That's where I go
[00:08:41.360] forward from here on out. However, what
[00:08:43.760] brought me here is a bit what I'm going
[00:08:45.519] to share with you today. So, you're a
[00:08:47.440] bit like a Tony Stark, right? Before he
[00:08:49.920] became Iron Man.
[00:08:50.880] >> I'm a bit like the merchant of death at
[00:08:52.640] this point in time. Yeah. It's a little
[00:08:54.959] It's There's real life people that have
[00:08:57.360] to challenge the government. There's
[00:08:58.800] real life people that are the one guy.
[00:09:01.519] It doesn't do me any good to compare
[00:09:03.440] myself to the person, as we know now,
[00:09:05.360] that bought the direct energy weapon
[00:09:08.000] from, as they described it, uh, Russian
[00:09:10.480] criminal network that then developed the
[00:09:12.560] discombobulator or where exactly they
[00:09:14.640] got the technology from,
[00:09:16.640] >> what that guy's name was for the ghost
[00:09:18.720] murmur.
[00:09:20.000] >> But there's people out there that have
[00:09:21.519] what they need that lead us a hundred
[00:09:23.360] years ahead. I happen to be one of them,
[00:09:25.440] and this is usually what you go through.
[00:09:28.399] Walk me through that day that you came
[00:09:31.600] across this craft. Did this now had you
[00:09:36.240] thought about UFOs or seems like you're
[00:09:39.200] a pretty straight laced gentleman like
[00:09:42.080] you not not saying that you wouldn't be
[00:09:43.920] thinking about the existential things
[00:09:45.519] but had you ever had a like interest in
[00:09:48.959] the phenomena before what happened
[00:09:51.839] happened?
[00:09:53.120] >> I didn't. I mean, I remember, you know,
[00:09:55.680] being back younger, seeing with buddies
[00:09:57.920] one night, the fire in the sky movie,
[00:10:00.240] >> Travis Walton case.
[00:10:01.279] >> That was a bit before,
[00:10:03.519] you know, things started to develop
[00:10:05.040] where you understand when they say based
[00:10:06.560] on a true story, that doesn't mean much.
[00:10:09.600] So, that was really the only little bit
[00:10:11.519] of knowledge that I could remind you.
[00:10:14.240] Yeah, I saw ET, Star Trek, Star Wars. It
[00:10:16.880] wasn't because I was into
[00:10:19.120] >> UFOs.
[00:10:19.760] >> UFOs. It was just that's everybody's
[00:10:21.920] childhood of that that decade.
[00:10:24.720] >> Pop culture. So you you really relegated
[00:10:27.519] yourself. You you were more relegated
[00:10:29.519] towards the pop culture side of it like
[00:10:33.760] as a storytelling thing. You never did
[00:10:36.480] you ever think you'd run into what you
[00:10:38.560] ran into?
[00:10:39.120] >> No. Never. I mean for people that are
[00:10:41.200] Gen X,
[00:10:43.279] you know, I often wonder about like
[00:10:44.720] these generations coming up to sound
[00:10:46.560] like a grumpy old man. Like we grew up
[00:10:48.000] in the day of like you know back to the
[00:10:49.760] future. So you really in your idea had
[00:10:51.760] it that in 2020 30
[00:10:54.640] >> you were going to have flying this
[00:10:56.000] flying that and people always just said
[00:10:57.760] yeah that's how it'll be. Now everybody
[00:10:59.920] has kind of flipped that script where
[00:11:01.279] they're like oh we don't have this
[00:11:02.640] technology
[00:11:03.839] >> right?
[00:11:05.120] >> How the hell do you know? Because that's
[00:11:07.040] how my generation kind of viewed it. So
[00:11:09.519] that was always how I looked at it is
[00:11:11.040] this is advanced technology versus oh
[00:11:13.279] that must be a UFO. if you get there,
[00:11:15.040] fine. But that was never my first
[00:11:17.279] >> okay
[00:11:17.600] >> idea.
[00:11:18.320] >> So, you're growing up um you're growing
[00:11:21.600] up, you're really seeing the phenomenon
[00:11:23.760] just from the the pop culture, the
[00:11:25.839] Steven Spielbergs. What life did you
[00:11:28.399] choose, you know, professionally, you
[00:11:30.640] know, give me a little bit about your
[00:11:32.880] your upbringing and why you chose the
[00:11:35.120] path that you're on right now?
[00:11:36.880] >> Yeah, I grew up in a pretty poor
[00:11:40.480] environment. A lot of that just has to
[00:11:42.079] do with people making it through. young
[00:11:43.760] parents. Uh my sister was diagnosed
[00:11:46.480] early with the disease. Um then I ended
[00:11:49.519] up coming across the same disease and
[00:11:51.839] you know sometimes it's not digging your
[00:11:54.000] own hole deeper. It's just life trying
[00:11:55.680] to bury you. So I know what government
[00:11:58.240] cheese tastes like. And so I was pretty
[00:12:00.800] confident that my one goal in life was
[00:12:02.720] going to be to make sure you know I got
[00:12:05.120] my own family and my own as you get
[00:12:07.040] older it's your responsibility. Right.
[00:12:08.800] >> Right.
[00:12:09.760] So I went through those normal processes
[00:12:11.920] of work and jobs. I was always very
[00:12:15.120] eager to get the corporate ladder
[00:12:16.800] climbed. Made it all the way to the VP
[00:12:19.440] of a publicly traded company. And when
[00:12:22.480] that company ended up being uh in a
[00:12:24.880] purchase buyout from another larger
[00:12:27.040] company, a merger, uh my job was often
[00:12:30.560] the times the VPs because whoever the
[00:12:32.320] buying company is uses their VPs. You're
[00:12:34.639] kind of isolated out of it. consulted
[00:12:37.440] for for a while, but then I was like, I
[00:12:39.600] know what I got here, which I'm already
[00:12:41.360] hearing. There's people, you know,
[00:12:43.120] within the industry who've been out with
[00:12:44.480] me saying no one else can do this. That
[00:12:46.720] was going to become my full-time gig,
[00:12:48.240] and that's when I made the jump to do
[00:12:49.839] it.
[00:12:50.959] >> Okay. Um,
[00:12:54.160] what So, what is your current role or
[00:12:56.480] responsibility?
[00:12:58.320] >> This is it. This is life. I've got
[00:13:00.480] everything into pushing this product
[00:13:02.800] line essentially, which is what it is.
[00:13:05.839] And the government knows they need it.
[00:13:08.160] They don't really want to pay for it
[00:13:09.600] like this. So, they're throwing the
[00:13:11.040] Invention Secrecy Act at me. But there
[00:13:13.760] are individuals who deal with this in
[00:13:16.160] the government to fund these people
[00:13:18.639] because we do no good for the men and
[00:13:20.720] women in uniform or our country fighting
[00:13:23.279] it out. So, I'm not going to roll over
[00:13:25.440] and let you take it with the Invention
[00:13:27.519] Secrecy Act. So, then what happens?
[00:13:29.279] Well, you either battle in court or it
[00:13:30.800] stays on the shelf for 10 years when you
[00:13:32.480] could be saving people. So luckily I
[00:13:34.880] have found the funding people who are
[00:13:37.360] like there's a way forward. It's not
[00:13:39.519] always easy. There's a lot of red tape
[00:13:41.760] but that's the method we're trying to
[00:13:43.600] push through is we can still get this
[00:13:45.839] done. That's my whole focus. That's
[00:13:48.320] everything I have into this. You know
[00:13:50.959] when I started this company I started it
[00:13:53.360] like any normal company. very small time
[00:13:57.360] I had, you know, was making a lot of
[00:13:59.760] money than as a VP. And then as it
[00:14:02.480] progressed, you put more into it. You
[00:14:04.160] get another accolade. You reach another
[00:14:05.839] achievement. You put more into it. At
[00:14:07.360] this point in time, like I said, and I
[00:14:09.040] think Tim Phillips confirmed, we've got
[00:14:11.199] the government by the balls with what we
[00:14:13.279] can do. So, this is me. This is
[00:14:15.120] everything right now.
[00:14:16.320] >> Yeah. Because I I mean, I spoke that's
[00:14:18.240] how we actually met, not met, but met in
[00:14:22.000] that way of online. Yeah. Right. is when
[00:14:24.880] I was doing the Tim Phillips interview
[00:14:26.880] and you know you kind of
[00:14:31.839] wanted to see what he was going to say.
[00:14:34.000] Um so there was a big like I felt like
[00:14:36.720] there was a lot of eyes on that
[00:14:38.160] interview simply because of you. Um so
[00:14:41.519] it was a very interesting dichotomy for
[00:14:43.680] me to be like all right now I feel like
[00:14:46.320] I've been shoehorned into something
[00:14:49.120] right something larger than I expected.
[00:14:51.199] Well, you got caught up and luckily
[00:14:54.079] cooler heads prevail as we talk to each
[00:14:56.639] other, which is the way to do things,
[00:14:58.240] but essentially you got caught up in a
[00:15:01.519] battle that had been brewing. Um, and
[00:15:04.160] it's still brewing and luckily we didn't
[00:15:07.120] end up with you as collateral damage and
[00:15:09.360] instead you've worked your way through
[00:15:10.399] it. So, I give you credit for that. But,
[00:15:12.000] yeah, it was kind of hot to get started.
[00:15:14.079] >> Right. So,
[00:15:18.320] and I asked these questions because you
[00:15:20.480] are a human being, right? You're a
[00:15:23.120] normal guy. You're you're you're just
[00:15:26.079] >> you came across something that is unique
[00:15:28.880] in not many people get a chance to to to
[00:15:33.279] be
[00:15:34.959] not let al let alone see something like
[00:15:37.519] that but to have access to it on another
[00:15:40.720] level where you're now holding evidence
[00:15:44.240] to some degree. Um so can you walk me
[00:15:48.240] through so you're building your company?
[00:15:52.240] >> Yeah. Yeah. So
[00:15:52.880] >> say as much as you and um say as much as
[00:15:55.279] you can without giving if we have to
[00:15:56.959] bleep anything out I'm happy to do that
[00:15:59.199] but you know I'd like to hear it all. Um
[00:16:02.639] so what puts you in a position to come
[00:16:05.600] across something like you did? Can you
[00:16:07.519] tell me that whole story so we can kind
[00:16:09.279] of get
[00:16:09.680] >> I think that's best. So it's still by
[00:16:11.839] chance. So, you know, of every company I
[00:16:14.480] had invested in because even when I was
[00:16:17.839] working full-time, I'm still, you know,
[00:16:19.680] entrepreneur looking at various
[00:16:21.440] companies was involved, you know, had
[00:16:23.279] part of a winery I owned. I mean, that's
[00:16:25.120] the normal what you do, right? So, yeah.
[00:16:28.000] >> Yeah.
[00:16:29.040] >> So, one particular company I had, you
[00:16:31.839] know, because of my upbringing, even
[00:16:33.839] though I may be in a pinstripe Armani
[00:16:35.759] suit in a boardroom, I'll still throw on
[00:16:37.680] the gloves and help make a long drive or
[00:16:40.000] get dirty. I mean that's just that's me.
[00:16:42.800] So this particular assignment that we
[00:16:45.199] had for a higher technology that dealt
[00:16:47.440] with a whole lot of um monitoring
[00:16:50.160] equipment on a higher level of
[00:16:53.519] you don't know what's going on until you
[00:16:55.600] really hit it with this sort of
[00:16:56.720] monitoring equipment.
[00:16:58.800] We had went quite a bit out of town.
[00:17:01.600] Everybody just voted to come home. You
[00:17:03.519] know, do you stay and waste a day or do
[00:17:04.959] you just want to get home? And I said,
[00:17:07.600] "Hey, look, I'll throw in on the drive."
[00:17:09.600] So my kind of end of the drive was
[00:17:12.400] pushing the early hours of a morning
[00:17:15.120] almost home and we come across lights
[00:17:17.760] out in a field and it's the sort of
[00:17:21.199] thing where
[00:17:23.520] you don't feel like anything should be
[00:17:25.360] out there you know it's like what could
[00:17:27.600] have lights say 50 foot up in the middle
[00:17:30.960] of you know wheat field. So
[00:17:33.760] >> can you say where you were? What state?
[00:17:36.960] >> Sure. So this is happening in Kansas.
[00:17:38.960] Kansas. Yeah.
[00:17:39.840] >> Okay. Just keep it there.
[00:17:41.120] >> And it happened in an area that I know
[00:17:44.080] well enough to know that if the lights
[00:17:46.320] were on, the sun's out, there's there's
[00:17:48.240] nothing over
[00:17:49.520] >> the horizon that you know flat Kansas.
[00:17:52.320] Yeah. There's there's nothing out there.
[00:17:53.840] So
[00:17:54.160] >> yeah, for anyone who hasn't been out
[00:17:55.600] there, it's they call it flyover state
[00:17:57.679] for a reason.
[00:17:58.960] >> There's nothing but planes and two-lane
[00:18:01.919] road and planes on either side.
[00:18:04.240] >> That's exactly what it is. So, it was
[00:18:07.440] one of those things because we were so
[00:18:08.960] close to home and you're talking about a
[00:18:10.799] bunch of people that have various, you
[00:18:12.480] know, engineering backgrounds and we're
[00:18:15.200] curious,
[00:18:16.480] >> right? I So, now you're seeing this as
[00:18:19.520] an educ like as someone who's kind of
[00:18:23.039] not e educated in the sense of like but
[00:18:26.880] you're you're trained you're a trained
[00:18:28.480] observer in like wait that should not be
[00:18:31.280] there
[00:18:32.400] >> that should not be. So, can you explain?
[00:18:35.600] So, it's lights in the sky, but what
[00:18:37.039] does it look like? What is there color
[00:18:40.000] >> at this point in time? You just have
[00:18:41.679] some really bright lights. Okay.
[00:18:44.000] >> White kind of a yellowish looking light.
[00:18:46.480] Nothing. There's no blinking reds,
[00:18:48.720] greens, blues, nothing like that. You
[00:18:51.039] just
[00:18:52.080] >> just one light or several?
[00:18:54.480] >> Two.
[00:18:55.120] >> Two. Okay.
[00:18:55.840] >> Two. Two. What I'll just refer to
[00:18:57.600] without going into too much detail is
[00:18:59.120] panel lights, but good size lights. So,
[00:19:03.520] Because of that, one of the guys that
[00:19:05.520] was with me joked like, "Is it the Field
[00:19:07.679] of Dreams over there? Like, is there
[00:19:09.360] now, you know, lights?" I mean,
[00:19:11.120] >> in the outfield,
[00:19:12.000] >> we weren't like, "Oh my gosh, this is a
[00:19:14.480] UFO." That was the furthest thing from
[00:19:16.960] anyone's mind. It was just like, "What
[00:19:18.720] in the world could be on over there?"
[00:19:20.240] So, no one else is out on the road. It's
[00:19:23.120] just us. Started to kind of head that
[00:19:26.240] direction. Um, not necessarily because
[00:19:30.799] we were chasing it, but that's still
[00:19:32.480] just kind of on the way home. So, we
[00:19:35.360] come to a stop, just driving home,
[00:19:38.559] start heading that way, and what becomes
[00:19:40.799] evident to me is that it's essentially
[00:19:43.200] pacing us, tracking away at the same
[00:19:45.600] speed I'm going at it. Keep in mind,
[00:19:49.039] these are not we're not in a chase. So,
[00:19:51.440] if I'm doing 30, you know, I haven't put
[00:19:53.440] the pedal to the metal and tried to run
[00:19:55.200] anything down. It's still an analytical.
[00:19:59.280] What is this? Windows are down. You're
[00:20:01.760] listening. Can't hear anything. You
[00:20:03.520] know, it's Kansas, so you can hear the
[00:20:05.120] bugs. You know, in the summer,
[00:20:07.919] completely quiet. Still don't have a
[00:20:10.480] clue. And the reason I say that is my
[00:20:12.080] mind's thinking helicopter, you know,
[00:20:14.160] something like this. You should be
[00:20:15.520] picking up some sort of noise
[00:20:18.400] >> as it grows closer and closer,
[00:20:20.240] >> right? And again, just a completely
[00:20:22.880] quiet night. So,
[00:20:25.360] we end up getting closer and closer and
[00:20:27.919] eventually, rather than it tracking
[00:20:29.440] away, although it did track quite a bit
[00:20:31.120] before we got up to it, it becomes
[00:20:33.919] stationary,
[00:20:35.520] we get it closer and closer. And at that
[00:20:37.360] point in time, you can tell there is a
[00:20:39.039] craft, which again, in my mind,
[00:20:43.200] from the silhouette as you get close and
[00:20:45.280] the light shine in your eyes, still kind
[00:20:47.120] of seems to be like a helicopter.
[00:20:50.000] Okay. So, you're still thinking
[00:20:51.280] helicopters.
[00:20:51.840] >> Again, it's stationary, so it's
[00:20:53.440] obviously not a a jet or something. You
[00:20:55.360] would, you know, you'd be going a couple
[00:20:56.559] hundred miles an hour. So,
[00:20:58.559] >> you're starting to rule things out in
[00:20:59.840] your head.
[00:21:00.159] >> That's exactly what's going on. And, you
[00:21:01.919] know, one of the other things, you know,
[00:21:03.679] this is like there was no guns ablazing
[00:21:07.200] >> before I even went that direction coming
[00:21:09.039] from the stop. You know, I timed it on
[00:21:10.880] the clock because I was like, well, if
[00:21:12.320] that's a plane coming in low, knowing
[00:21:14.000] with the speed that planes do at least
[00:21:15.520] 100 miles an hour to not fall out and
[00:21:18.000] it's not got here. So, it's obviously
[00:21:20.080] not moving. I mean, that's how we're
[00:21:21.760] going through this.
[00:21:23.840] >> So, as we start getting closer to it,
[00:21:26.720] again, my mind and is from my eyes is
[00:21:29.679] saying this has got to be some sort of
[00:21:31.120] helicopter. Again, there's no think of
[00:21:32.960] like this is a UFO.
[00:21:35.919] So, I really slow down because I'm
[00:21:39.200] thinking I can't hear anything like I
[00:21:40.960] should be hearing. The wash should be,
[00:21:42.799] you know, at this point in time, you
[00:21:44.559] should be able to see it from the from
[00:21:46.799] the, you know, light coming down on the
[00:21:48.559] ground. I should be able to hear this
[00:21:50.640] thing. And
[00:21:53.280] my mind's still saying like, you got to
[00:21:55.679] be careful. Not in the sense of danger,
[00:21:57.919] but like I don't want to drive into a
[00:21:59.760] scene where they're landing to pick
[00:22:01.440] someone up because I grew up in the
[00:22:02.720] sticks and if someone gets hurt bad,
[00:22:04.240] there's no time for an ambulance.
[00:22:06.080] >> Yeah. Yeah, they bring
[00:22:06.880] >> you send a helicopter into a wheat field
[00:22:09.520] and it waits until the ambulance gets
[00:22:11.520] there and like you don't want to be the
[00:22:12.880] dummy that just drove into the middle of
[00:22:16.000] something like that. So,
[00:22:17.280] >> totally understandable.
[00:22:19.039] >> It was really just slow, you know, even
[00:22:21.280] though I ended up getting time with it,
[00:22:22.960] I probably wasted half of that time just
[00:22:25.840] through the process of working out what
[00:22:28.240] it was and getting up to it because I
[00:22:29.760] mean, we're just
[00:22:31.919] happen upon it and you're trying to
[00:22:33.360] figure out what's going on. What is
[00:22:34.960] this? How many people were with you?
[00:22:37.200] >> Me and three others.
[00:22:38.640] >> So, it's a full car.
[00:22:39.919] >> Yeah.
[00:22:40.559] >> There's three other people that
[00:22:42.159] witnessed this event.
[00:22:44.080] >> Correct. And they're still with me on my
[00:22:46.880] team.
[00:22:48.080] >> Oh.
[00:22:48.480] >> Today. Okay. So,
[00:22:53.360] you this thing's tracking you. It should
[00:22:56.000] have come if it was any jet or hilo. It
[00:23:02.320] should have made its way either over you
[00:23:05.120] at this point or been directly over you.
[00:23:08.480] And but you said you're starting to make
[00:23:10.320] out some sort of craft.
[00:23:12.799] >> So are you starting to see through the
[00:23:15.360] light and and like how much are you
[00:23:18.080] seeing? How did you determine that?
[00:23:19.520] >> So the light is bright. It's very
[00:23:21.840] bright. But with that said, it's not
[00:23:23.840] like I'm looking at the sun and I know
[00:23:26.080] don't look at the sun, right? There's
[00:23:27.600] people that damage their eyes from
[00:23:28.960] looking at eclipses. It's the same sort
[00:23:30.559] of system here. At this point in time,
[00:23:32.400] when you can see a craft, I'm willing to
[00:23:34.159] risk
[00:23:35.919] uh blinding light to figure out what the
[00:23:38.480] hell is is there. So, coming up to it,
[00:23:44.080] it's essentially stationary. There's a
[00:23:46.320] little bit of a wobble. Um less than 50
[00:23:48.880] foot off the ground, but it's not um
[00:23:51.039] what a wobble is probably incorrect. I
[00:23:52.880] mean, it's moving. It's not like on a
[00:23:54.480] statue, but it's a controlled um steady.
[00:23:58.000] I find it interesting that you use that
[00:24:00.240] word wobble.
[00:24:04.159] I So is it maybe floating wall? Like a
[00:24:09.039] is there a bit of a like a fluidity to
[00:24:12.720] it? I don't want to put words in your
[00:24:14.559] mouth.
[00:24:14.880] >> No, you you're getting there. Think of
[00:24:18.400] and you know I'll immediately get there.
[00:24:19.919] Think of if something was human tech,
[00:24:21.600] you would have a computer system trying
[00:24:24.080] to just like a drone
[00:24:25.600] >> continuously even itself. Exactly. So if
[00:24:28.559] you've flown a drone and you get into
[00:24:30.640] some wind or something, that's kind of
[00:24:32.559] what it was was like. So there was
[00:24:35.600] definitely some it was regulating
[00:24:39.440] staying where it wanted to stay. Okay.
[00:24:41.120] What it would seem like.
[00:24:42.240] >> And now I I guess I just want to clarify
[00:24:45.360] this. So you're driving on the road and
[00:24:49.039] you're coming up to it
[00:24:51.600] >> at this.
[00:24:52.080] >> So you're moving towards it,
[00:24:53.840] >> correct?
[00:24:54.640] >> Okay. And for a while it's tracking away
[00:24:57.039] from us. So it's not leaving but we're
[00:25:00.240] not getting any closer. Eventually for
[00:25:02.559] whatever the reason be it's stationary
[00:25:05.919] and now we're catching up to it but
[00:25:08.320] again it's the slowest race. You know 40
[00:25:12.000] mph 30 mph sort of coming up to it.
[00:25:14.799] Again there's no
[00:25:16.799] you're just trying to figure out what
[00:25:17.919] the hell it is without getting yourself
[00:25:19.279] into trouble.
[00:25:19.840] >> So what happens next?
[00:25:22.159] >> We get to the side of it. So now we're
[00:25:24.880] kind of without the blinding light. I
[00:25:26.720] mean, it's still there. Analyzing it,
[00:25:29.520] looking at it. It's a craft.
[00:25:33.279] So my mind for people that don't know
[00:25:35.760] about Kansas, especially in the Witchah
[00:25:38.000] area where I'm from, it's actually known
[00:25:40.000] as the air capital of the world. I know
[00:25:42.000] everybody thinks horses and cowboys, but
[00:25:44.799] you know, we hold records on it where
[00:25:46.720] where all your aerospace and aircraft
[00:25:48.320] come from. Every major player is there.
[00:25:52.720] And so I've seen craft my whole life.
[00:25:55.440] You know, my father used to work on the
[00:25:56.880] space shuttle program back when we had
[00:25:58.480] that in the day. All my family's built
[00:26:00.880] craft. I mean, I know what I'm looking
[00:26:02.320] at.
[00:26:04.400] No numbers, no letters, no, you know,
[00:26:07.760] marker lights, nothing. So immediately I
[00:26:11.200] thought to myself, this is something
[00:26:13.840] since this is not what we thought we
[00:26:15.279] were normally going to get into. This is
[00:26:16.480] no helicopter,
[00:26:17.840] >> any rivets, seams, or anything like
[00:26:20.000] that? there was without going into too
[00:26:22.400] much detail. Um,
[00:26:25.039] you know, it's not some sort of a blob
[00:26:28.159] or figure. I mean, that was one of the
[00:26:30.080] things that we were, you know, the whole
[00:26:31.679] time this is going on, my group is
[00:26:33.279] talking back and forth to each other
[00:26:34.480] because we're trying to analyze what
[00:26:36.559] we're seeing and what we're thinking.
[00:26:38.799] And that was one of the immediate things
[00:26:40.240] I first thought to myself is this looks
[00:26:42.480] obviously
[00:26:44.159] not so much earthly made because I
[00:26:46.159] wasn't thinking aliens at that point in
[00:26:47.600] time, but I was like the performance
[00:26:49.679] what it's doing it shouldn't be doing.
[00:26:51.600] But obviously this looks like human
[00:26:53.840] handing sort of manufacturing.
[00:26:57.440] >> Well, and we'll get to a little bit of
[00:26:58.960] speculation a bit later because I want
[00:27:01.520] to know we'll come back to that. But um
[00:27:05.600] so there's no insignia at all on this
[00:27:07.919] thing? nothing. And like I said, I know
[00:27:09.760] where to look,
[00:27:10.799] >> right?
[00:27:11.200] >> It's not there.
[00:27:12.080] >> Not even test markers.
[00:27:13.679] >> There's nothing
[00:27:14.799] >> really.
[00:27:15.520] >> So, as this is going on and I'm looking,
[00:27:18.080] and this is important part of it, you
[00:27:20.159] know, I turn the vehicle we're in right
[00:27:21.919] at it from the side.
[00:27:25.120] And I have a little bit of elevation of
[00:27:27.039] where I pulled. So, my headlights are on
[00:27:29.919] it.
[00:27:31.600] Turn the brights on, right? You want to
[00:27:33.200] see
[00:27:34.000] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:27:34.559] >> more. Yeah. All of us immediately
[00:27:37.120] remember when we turned the brights on,
[00:27:38.960] it seemed to basically absorb
[00:27:42.720] the light. Like you could still see it.
[00:27:45.520] Think of like a 30 W bulb, but you're
[00:27:47.600] shining an LED on it, you know, like you
[00:27:49.520] can still see it, but obviously it's
[00:27:51.520] absorbing most of the light.
[00:27:55.600] >> Wow.
[00:27:56.080] >> So, at that point in time, it's
[00:27:58.559] confusing, right? So now in my mind the
[00:28:01.760] idea of and I hate the word alien but I
[00:28:05.039] was like what the hell is this
[00:28:07.600] right?
[00:28:08.240] >> What kind of material can absorb photon?
[00:28:11.120] >> You're absorbing light. You know keep in
[00:28:13.120] mind we had the window down. There's
[00:28:14.720] only slight little hum to it. This
[00:28:16.880] thing's floating. Looking at the stuff
[00:28:19.279] that's under it. There was even a small
[00:28:20.720] little tree. Not a fucking leaf's
[00:28:22.240] moving. What is this? Right. So, even
[00:28:25.520] for me that's not into the whole genre
[00:28:28.640] of aliens and UFOs, I'm questioning
[00:28:32.640] what are we looking at,
[00:28:33.840] >> right? How's that thing? Where's the
[00:28:35.679] propulsion?
[00:28:36.240] >> And it's in the middle of a field in
[00:28:37.600] Kansas. Not exactly testing grounds, you
[00:28:40.080] know what I mean? Like it it it's So,
[00:28:42.240] that was my closest I've ever been to
[00:28:44.799] like what am I seeing? I'm willing to
[00:28:47.600] analyze it and I'm willing to think down
[00:28:49.279] that route, but until that point in time
[00:28:51.039] in my life, I've never crossed that
[00:28:53.679] bridge.
[00:28:55.279] So,
[00:28:58.320] you're looking at this thing because
[00:29:01.039] you're really not sure what it is. It's
[00:29:03.840] absorbing your light to some degree.
[00:29:07.679] It's only,
[00:29:09.200] >> you know, lighting it up like a like a
[00:29:11.520] 30 watt light bulb, but you you pounced
[00:29:14.240] in, you know, some le hardcore LED,
[00:29:17.200] right? I hate to ask,
[00:29:20.559] but
[00:29:22.159] did you you know the story of Bob Lazar?
[00:29:25.440] >> I know some of the story.
[00:29:27.120] >> Did you watch that S4 documentary?
[00:29:29.120] >> I have not seen that.
[00:29:30.640] >> Okay.
[00:29:31.200] >> Yeah.
[00:29:31.840] >> There's a part in it
[00:29:34.159] where they talk about having, you know,
[00:29:36.080] those H hallogen lights where it's like
[00:29:38.159] two on a T-frame.
[00:29:40.240] >> Yeah, I know.
[00:29:41.120] >> On construction sites a lot. Well, they
[00:29:43.120] had those everywhere inside the craft.
[00:29:46.000] And no matter how many they had, it was
[00:29:50.640] like the craft was absorbing the light.
[00:29:53.679] And it they could barely get this thing
[00:29:56.080] lit. And they had several of those, you
[00:29:59.279] know, all over the place. These double H
[00:30:01.600] hallogen lights. And if you ever seen
[00:30:03.120] those, those are outputting,
[00:30:05.279] >> you know, a a good lumen. Um, and it and
[00:30:08.799] it's like the craft is absorbing the
[00:30:10.559] light and only allowing
[00:30:13.200] uh uh you know a fraction of the photons
[00:30:15.919] to bounce out and back. So again,
[00:30:20.159] forgive me for drawing lines here, but I
[00:30:22.720] can't help but think of that
[00:30:24.320] >> for the community is what I'll say.
[00:30:27.520] Making that sort of line is a is an
[00:30:30.559] actually fair line. However, just
[00:30:32.799] because we're on record here,
[00:30:35.120] >> Bob Lazar is full of shit is my personal
[00:30:38.080] opinion.
[00:30:40.480] >> Thank you.
[00:30:41.039] >> Yeah. So,
[00:30:41.600] >> you know what? Thank you. It's not that
[00:30:43.760] that doesn't match up. I'm willing to
[00:30:45.440] say, of course, that matches up, but I
[00:30:47.279] just not believe in the story that's
[00:30:49.360] there.
[00:30:50.000] >> Okay. So, you know what? Respect. I have
[00:30:52.320] respect for someone who can come out and
[00:30:53.760] just be like, you know what? I don't
[00:30:56.240] believe the guy. So, um,
[00:30:58.480] >> well, in fairness, I want to say this.
[00:31:01.200] We because this is how you do science
[00:31:03.200] and people don't understand science a
[00:31:04.960] lot of times. I know because I listen to
[00:31:06.559] what the tweets are every day. Right.
[00:31:09.120] Right.
[00:31:09.360] >> The post.
[00:31:11.039] >> We still assign a person in our team to
[00:31:14.799] look at that angle. Right. So I took it
[00:31:17.120] human tech angle and we'll get into the
[00:31:18.640] story later and they took that's not
[00:31:20.240] human tech angle and we look through all
[00:31:22.000] those cases like Lazar the aerial you
[00:31:25.360] know school. And I'm just telling you my
[00:31:27.679] view is on all of them after looking at
[00:31:29.600] the facts and the stuff we dug up is
[00:31:31.200] they're all bullshit. That was my
[00:31:32.960] personal and our group's opinion. It's
[00:31:34.559] not that we didn't look at it. We just
[00:31:36.080] came to a different conclusion than
[00:31:37.519] apparently
[00:31:38.880] >> the individuals do.
[00:31:40.559] >> The Rura case is bullshit.
[00:31:43.279] >> Did you just say that the case of
[00:31:45.519] Zimbabwe is
[00:31:47.039] >> absolute bullshit?
[00:31:49.360] >> We're going to get into that a little
[00:31:50.559] bit later.
[00:31:51.200] >> I think we should. Okay. I
[00:31:52.559] >> think we should
[00:31:53.279] >> because that is you are the first person
[00:31:56.559] I've ever Well, aside from that one kid,
[00:32:00.640] but we'll get into that.
[00:32:01.760] >> We'll get into that cuz I'm going to
[00:32:02.799] pick it apart, but that's its own.
[00:32:04.640] >> Okay. So, we we we came to that. I mean,
[00:32:08.080] we try to be fair is what I'm trying to
[00:32:09.600] tell people here. So, when I say what I
[00:32:12.320] think about these people in the stories,
[00:32:13.919] it's not because I'm personally
[00:32:15.200] attacking them. It's not that I think
[00:32:16.799] that you don't have your own right to
[00:32:18.480] choose. I'm saying we legitly researched
[00:32:20.880] it, looked at it, and we couldn't find
[00:32:23.840] anything in this um foundation of UFOs,
[00:32:27.679] including Roswell, that we could ever be
[00:32:29.360] like, "Yeah, that's that's a legit one."
[00:32:31.440] The only one that comes up is the
[00:32:32.720] Nimtts, and I think I've made it clear
[00:32:34.240] by now that I think that's human tech.
[00:32:36.159] So, that's how my opinion of Lazar and
[00:32:39.840] the rest come across.
[00:32:41.039] >> You think the Tic Tac is humanmade?
[00:32:43.039] >> Yeah.
[00:32:43.600] >> And Okay. Well, and sure we'll get into
[00:32:46.399] that again, but all right.
[00:32:49.679] >> Well, back back at the scene here. So,
[00:32:51.440] now we're looking at it with the brights
[00:32:53.039] on it.
[00:32:53.519] >> You're looking at it.
[00:32:54.320] >> We've got the windows down. Okay. Again,
[00:32:56.799] I've used this term over and over, not
[00:32:58.320] guns ablazing.
[00:33:00.080] I'm very careful of the moves I make.
[00:33:02.880] Even today with what I'm going through
[00:33:04.399] with the government, everything's
[00:33:06.320] planned out.
[00:33:08.240] And so, we're sitting there and we're
[00:33:10.799] listening to the hum, right? Does have a
[00:33:13.039] noise. It's light. It's not what you
[00:33:15.440] should hear from a craft that's
[00:33:17.919] essentially levitating.
[00:33:20.880] But all of us, as crazy as this sound,
[00:33:22.880] looking at each other, we're like, it
[00:33:24.799] seems safe. You know, there's no sparks
[00:33:27.279] coming out. It doesn't sound like it's
[00:33:28.799] going to blow, right?
[00:33:30.159] >> It's not it's not even moving the the
[00:33:33.039] tree. use,
[00:33:34.000] >> right? So, I know it sounds weird to say
[00:33:36.240] it seems safe, but you know, especially
[00:33:39.360] for people that are engineers and
[00:33:40.640] curious, like how many times you going
[00:33:41.840] to have this fucking
[00:33:43.600] >> shot, right? I mean, you got to make
[00:33:44.960] that choice. So,
[00:33:46.320] >> again, we waste a lot of time just
[00:33:48.559] looking at it from inside the safety of
[00:33:51.440] a vehicle because
[00:33:53.679] >> different people think different things.
[00:33:55.200] Some people panic, some people get too
[00:33:56.960] excited. We're just analyzing the whole
[00:33:59.440] thing as we go. Did Travis Walt never
[00:34:02.720] come back into your head in that moment?
[00:34:04.399] >> Yep. Yep. You nailed it. So, the reason
[00:34:06.399] I brought that up, because I'm just
[00:34:07.760] being honest,
[00:34:09.119] >> that was the one thing that popped into
[00:34:10.879] my head before we got out.
[00:34:12.720] >> Like,
[00:34:13.200] >> because that's a scene in that movie
[00:34:15.040] where he's like,
[00:34:16.000] >> "It is true.
[00:34:16.720] >> Why'd you get out?" You know, don't get
[00:34:18.480] out, right? And then you get abducted.
[00:34:21.440] But again, analyzing it, and I know it
[00:34:24.639] might sound odd, but it doesn't appear,
[00:34:27.200] you know, there's not leaves turning
[00:34:28.639] brown and burning under it. I mean,
[00:34:30.320] there doesn't appear to be
[00:34:31.760] >> any radiation signatures.
[00:34:33.440] >> Yeah, these sort of things that would be
[00:34:34.720] like, "Oh, let's get out of here." So,
[00:34:37.919] with that said, we got out.
[00:34:41.440] All of us got out. Maybe we weren't
[00:34:43.200] smart enough to leave a a driver, but
[00:34:46.639] and we all went to the back to get the
[00:34:48.560] equipment out because what else would
[00:34:50.000] you do, right?
[00:34:51.200] >> Equipment. You've got high-tech
[00:34:52.720] equipment to do things and see into
[00:34:56.320] electrical panels through walls and pick
[00:34:59.359] up ultrasonics and acoustics.
[00:35:03.359] I mean, if you're going to get in
[00:35:04.320] trouble, you might as well go for the
[00:35:05.520] big one,
[00:35:06.160] >> your packet. Like,
[00:35:08.240] >> this is the business that was invested
[00:35:10.320] that we were coming home from.
[00:35:12.560] >> And again, gods.
[00:35:14.320] >> Well, that's what I tell people. The
[00:35:16.000] difference with me is because these are
[00:35:17.599] the normal stories in Kansas. farmer
[00:35:19.280] Bob's on the field and he sees something
[00:35:22.160] and that's always got to that story and
[00:35:24.880] that's kind of what we were thinking is
[00:35:26.960] like even at this point in time with you
[00:35:29.200] know the cell phones out and this and
[00:35:30.640] that
[00:35:32.720] there's nothing there if you really
[00:35:34.960] wanted people to take you seriously.
[00:35:38.560] >> Do you have cell phone group you you
[00:35:40.240] have video of this? We have a lot better
[00:35:42.400] than cell phone because when you go to
[00:35:43.920] the back and you start getting equipment
[00:35:45.359] out, monitoring equipment and visual
[00:35:47.680] documentation equipment, you know, we
[00:35:50.240] had a flare camera that was about 90
[00:35:51.760] grand at the time. We get it all out
[00:35:55.839] again. Now, we start hurrying a little
[00:35:58.400] bit, but not you don't just run
[00:36:00.720] underneath the craft, right? You still
[00:36:02.320] want to kind of
[00:36:03.359] >> approach the caution
[00:36:04.240] >> approach around the sides because the
[00:36:06.400] same way that there's nothing going on
[00:36:07.680] underneath of it at any point in time
[00:36:09.440] because it is got that little bit of
[00:36:10.800] wobble like I was saying, you know, you
[00:36:12.800] don't know.
[00:36:13.520] >> So, you're approaching with caution
[00:36:16.720] and how do you
[00:36:19.599] how do you make your move towards this
[00:36:21.200] thing?
[00:36:23.040] >> We get out, we're on foot without having
[00:36:26.640] to even say anything to each other. We
[00:36:28.079] just know get out everything we have for
[00:36:30.160] equipment, documenting, monitoring. That
[00:36:32.880] was the whole business that we had.
[00:36:35.119] That's why people, you know, a couple
[00:36:37.440] hundred miles away would hire us to come
[00:36:39.040] in and look what they have and high
[00:36:40.480] technology analyze it. It's that sort of
[00:36:43.119] level. So, we just knew and just like
[00:36:46.560] when you go into a place, everybody has
[00:36:48.800] a job. This person runs this, this
[00:36:50.800] person's on the computer. It was the
[00:36:52.800] same sort of thing. So we get up to it,
[00:36:56.079] not immediately underneath of it. We're
[00:36:58.000] taking the outside look. We're taking
[00:36:59.760] the outside scope of it. Eventually, of
[00:37:02.400] course, we end up underneath of it. You
[00:37:04.640] know, we have a recorder on for voice,
[00:37:06.320] too. So, you know, we're reading things
[00:37:08.079] off, talking about things. I count this
[00:37:09.920] many panels. I count this many that. I
[00:37:12.000] mean, this is a normal. These were the
[00:37:14.400] right people to have for something like
[00:37:16.640] this.
[00:37:17.440] >> That's amazing.
[00:37:18.240] >> We're talking about what we're seeing on
[00:37:19.839] the monitoring equipment. We're talking
[00:37:22.480] about all this and for about 10 minutes,
[00:37:25.119] you know, would have been way longer had
[00:37:26.720] we have known what we were going to be
[00:37:28.640] approaching or driving up to. That's
[00:37:31.200] what we got.
[00:37:33.200] Now, how does it end? Well, getting
[00:37:36.640] towards the end of 10 minutes, we do
[00:37:38.960] hear a noise
[00:37:41.119] and there is what I'll refer to as a
[00:37:43.599] panel
[00:37:45.119] that comes down
[00:37:47.359] off of this.
[00:37:49.359] Again, put yourself in the shoes of
[00:37:52.480] individuals in Kansas that have come
[00:37:54.880] across in the early hours of the morning
[00:37:56.800] a craft that is doing this. We've hit it
[00:37:59.839] with everything high-tech.
[00:38:01.920] We're talking about it. Now, engineering
[00:38:04.240] always sounds like this sexy term
[00:38:06.000] because of how like advanced it is, but
[00:38:08.079] there's another part of engineering
[00:38:09.680] which is you come to questions and the
[00:38:12.240] answers are kind of like a caveman. So
[00:38:14.000] like one of the things that we came up
[00:38:15.520] talking is like
[00:38:17.599] >> we can pick it up on a sensor. We can
[00:38:20.320] see it
[00:38:22.240] but like you know what is this? We have
[00:38:24.560] some idea what it's made from because
[00:38:26.160] you know some of the readings coming
[00:38:27.440] back but like you know what happens
[00:38:30.560] essentially if you throw something at it
[00:38:32.800] again sounds a bit odd but that's kind
[00:38:34.800] of where we're at. Does it go through
[00:38:36.640] it? Does it bounce off? Does this thing
[00:38:39.839] light up before? You know, I mean, like
[00:38:41.359] what what happens? Because you can tell
[00:38:43.280] a lot when it's quiet about a noise when
[00:38:45.200] you hear it bounce off of something,
[00:38:48.000] >> right?
[00:38:48.720] >> Is it like a rock? Is it hollow? I mean,
[00:38:50.720] these are questions that we've kind of
[00:38:52.000] got to where it's like we've got as much
[00:38:53.599] as we can possibly get with what we
[00:38:56.160] have. What are the other questions
[00:38:59.040] >> to it? And so there
[00:39:02.720] >> you a panel
[00:39:05.040] >> correct
[00:39:05.760] >> falls off as you got Yeah. I got to ask.
[00:39:14.320] Have you heard of Diana Pulka?
[00:39:16.960] >> I know the name, but again I'm not as
[00:39:19.680] familiar with everybody either the
[00:39:21.280] stories. Not to divulge too much here,
[00:39:24.000] but Diana
[00:39:26.880] in her book
[00:39:29.760] refers back to
[00:39:32.560] Tim Timothy Taylor. Um, and do you know
[00:39:36.560] >> I know the name, but again, it's the the
[00:39:38.800] smallest part of the story that I can
[00:39:40.240] remember.
[00:39:40.720] >> They call him the the dragon,
[00:39:42.880] >> correct?
[00:39:43.839] uh in mission control in NASA and he's
[00:39:48.400] >> allegedly
[00:39:49.040] >> allegedly allegedly um but the guy is
[00:39:52.960] super elusive um and he seems to pop up
[00:39:57.680] everywhere but not publicly like with
[00:40:01.520] Chris Bledo and again you know let's for
[00:40:05.920] for at least this part
[00:40:08.480] but Diana's talking to Tim and When she
[00:40:13.280] says UFO crash, he corrects her and he
[00:40:17.280] tells her, "No, they're donations. We
[00:40:20.240] they're they're donations."
[00:40:22.640] Do you think that you were possibly
[00:40:26.800] given what you
[00:40:30.640] needed at the time?
[00:40:34.640] At one point in time, because of how
[00:40:37.119] rough this has been that we're going to
[00:40:38.560] go through, I did kind of think back and
[00:40:41.040] think to myself like, why me? You know,
[00:40:43.520] there's it's an honest question,
[00:40:45.280] especially with what we're going to get
[00:40:46.400] into.
[00:40:46.960] >> Yeah.
[00:40:48.480] >> I mean, as we just said, what are the
[00:40:50.720] chances of this? So, am I the only
[00:40:52.400] person in the world that just, you know,
[00:40:53.920] me and these other three people, and
[00:40:55.280] this is, you got to ask yourself, why am
[00:40:58.079] right? However,
[00:40:59.520] >> I saw a UFO panel didn't fall off of it,
[00:41:01.920] though. When we start the analysis and
[00:41:04.640] working through that, it's obviously
[00:41:07.839] human tech and the other part of that is
[00:41:10.560] going to be what we identified. We
[00:41:12.720] believe and this does happen a lot. You
[00:41:14.480] just don't hear about it or if you don't
[00:41:16.560] have your head in that industry. Stuff
[00:41:19.359] breaks all the time. The harder you have
[00:41:22.319] a performance, the more performance, the
[00:41:24.160] more it breaks. And most of your nice
[00:41:27.119] craft, whether it be, you know, the SR,
[00:41:29.680] the 117, is because they just can't keep
[00:41:32.160] up the maintenance.
[00:41:33.520] >> Yeah.
[00:41:33.920] >> Even the B2 is usually down for two or
[00:41:36.640] three times as much as it flies. So,
[00:41:38.720] when you hear about how impressive it
[00:41:40.880] was that they did those missions in a
[00:41:42.240] row, it's because normally you have to
[00:41:43.359] bring it back and replace all sorts of
[00:41:45.119] stuff. So, with that said, to us it was
[00:41:49.200] a communication, we'll say data link
[00:41:51.280] failure where it was traveling, and this
[00:41:54.240] happens to drones. We lose them in
[00:41:56.079] countries all the time because of this.
[00:41:58.880] You don't know where to go because this
[00:42:01.280] isn't a conventional motor. The idea
[00:42:04.000] would be you just sit down at that level
[00:42:06.480] waiting to to go. Now that failure of
[00:42:09.839] the panel we think was involved in it.
[00:42:12.800] Whether you know it's hit something,
[00:42:15.839] something's wrong, we don't know.
[00:42:17.599] >> Okay. But we also don't know what was
[00:42:20.160] going on inside of it. Because usually
[00:42:22.240] when something like this would go down,
[00:42:23.920] you would have a team, which we were
[00:42:25.520] worried about, a response team showing
[00:42:27.119] up. And here we are with all this
[00:42:28.319] equipment, right?
[00:42:29.040] >> Crash retrieval team popping through.
[00:42:31.520] >> It's got to be someone's got to be
[00:42:33.280] watching it from above with some sort of
[00:42:35.280] Reaper or satellite link. So, you know,
[00:42:38.800] these were things I was waiting on as
[00:42:40.640] we're kind of being careful is like
[00:42:43.280] >> I mean, if they get a reaper, there's
[00:42:44.640] got to be know you're there.
[00:42:46.160] >> Correct. The other part of that is
[00:42:48.319] you're also trying to figure out the
[00:42:49.839] problem. You always have remote ways to
[00:42:52.400] fix stuff. And it seemed that when this
[00:42:55.599] panel came off that that seemed to fix
[00:42:59.359] whatever the issue was. I can't explain
[00:43:01.280] to you how it fixed it, but it was right
[00:43:03.040] after this panel came off that it was
[00:43:04.960] actually able to essentially take back
[00:43:07.359] off and be gone.
[00:43:09.040] >> What did it look like when it took off?
[00:43:13.119] So
[00:43:16.640] you do have and I've struggled to
[00:43:18.960] describe exactly because I used to say a
[00:43:20.720] cavity but that confused people because
[00:43:22.240] that cavity is more you know embedded
[00:43:24.319] versus a bubble. So now I'm just going
[00:43:26.000] to say a bubble.
[00:43:28.160] Not a bubble obviously, but if you think
[00:43:30.160] about kind of um
[00:43:34.480] what you can pick up from interference
[00:43:36.480] or radios on and whatnot and see it on a
[00:43:38.800] screen where they're actually have
[00:43:40.000] monitoring equipment, you know what
[00:43:42.160] electrical interference looks like, but
[00:43:43.599] this is visual to the eye. Still
[00:43:46.560] essentially a bubble
[00:43:49.200] and then it's just very slight and then
[00:43:51.280] it's gone. as uh Fraver would say,
[00:43:53.440] bloop.
[00:43:55.280] So it it it either instantaneously
[00:43:59.119] accelerated out
[00:44:00.160] >> instantaneous
[00:44:01.200] >> where you can't process how fast it's
[00:44:04.640] moving
[00:44:05.599] >> or it is literally disappearing into the
[00:44:10.880] fabric of now again
[00:44:14.079] >> that's the more magical answer
[00:44:17.520] >> but you honestly you can't say one or
[00:44:20.960] the other right
[00:44:22.079] >> at this point no obviously we've gotten
[00:44:24.400] a lot further further into that. But my
[00:44:26.720] point here is if you think about, we'll
[00:44:30.160] just go very simple here. If someone
[00:44:33.520] shoots a gun,
[00:44:35.839] you know the bullets in the gun, you
[00:44:37.680] hear it, see it, hit the bullseye. At no
[00:44:39.920] point in time do your eyes catch it from
[00:44:42.720] point A to point B. So I
[00:44:44.560] >> it just happens. It's there are things
[00:44:46.880] and there's many within our world that
[00:44:49.280] we live in where if something is fast
[00:44:51.200] enough, it's how do you get that fast
[00:44:53.680] that quick, right? In that case,
[00:44:55.760] gunpowder. But your eyes aren't as good
[00:44:58.480] as a lot of people seem to think um that
[00:45:01.040] they would be. Also, keep in mind you're
[00:45:02.720] talking about nighttime in the dark. So,
[00:45:04.720] you're trying to judge,
[00:45:07.119] >> okay,
[00:45:07.440] >> where it would be. So,
[00:45:09.200] >> but it's gone. Let's put it that way.
[00:45:10.960] But it shows
[00:45:13.119] >> several observables
[00:45:15.599] by
[00:45:16.079] >> right
[00:45:16.960] >> the standards of people like Alzando who
[00:45:20.560] you know were a part of ATIP which
[00:45:24.720] was OAP
[00:45:26.640] uh we don't have to get into that right
[00:45:28.880] now.
[00:45:29.119] >> I've heard the observables
[00:45:31.440] almost all of them I would agree with. I
[00:45:33.200] know they're trying to add some more
[00:45:34.400] into it, but when you talk about a craft
[00:45:37.200] that can stop, you know, as we get into
[00:45:39.520] our development of what we've learned
[00:45:40.800] and what we've caught, which you
[00:45:42.400] shouldn't be able to do instantly, just
[00:45:45.119] like you shouldn't be able to instantly
[00:45:46.560] bloop and be gone. These observables are
[00:45:49.119] correct.
[00:45:49.920] >> Okay. How
[00:45:52.720] the craft is now gone.
[00:45:55.440] You're worried about a response team
[00:45:58.400] still, I would assume.
[00:46:00.000] >> The whole time I've been worried about
[00:46:01.440] that. Exactly. Right. Right.
[00:46:03.440] >> So, where's the thought process of like
[00:46:08.240] take me through what your thought
[00:46:09.520] process was like and when did you
[00:46:11.599] determine
[00:46:13.359] let's grab this and get out?
[00:46:16.640] >> So, you know, again, growing up in the
[00:46:19.040] family that I did and some of the
[00:46:20.560] businesses I've been involved with, what
[00:46:22.400] people may not know is that even a lot
[00:46:24.640] of human technology is actually the
[00:46:27.760] stealth coatings are toxic.
[00:46:30.560] you you don't want to touch them. So
[00:46:32.079] like when the F-17 went down and they
[00:46:34.480] they shot the one down in Serby or
[00:46:36.480] whatever it was and the Chinese sent out
[00:46:38.000] people to the farmers trying to buy
[00:46:39.440] pieces of equipment or whatnot,
[00:46:41.839] so many people touch toxic material. So
[00:46:45.839] it was still the, you know, although my
[00:46:48.319] brain hadn't processed everything, one
[00:46:50.240] thing you still know is like you got to
[00:46:52.079] be careful
[00:46:53.520] >> handling it
[00:46:54.240] >> with this sort of handling of stuff. You
[00:46:56.000] know, there's still a massive danger
[00:46:57.599] here. You also don't know if it's
[00:46:58.880] burning hot. You know, you get up to it
[00:47:00.400] and it's not smoking. But I mean,
[00:47:01.760] there's there's questions.
[00:47:03.839] >> Yeah, my my toaster doesn't smoke. It's
[00:47:06.400] hot.
[00:47:06.800] >> If you just be safe, you can avoid most
[00:47:08.880] things.
[00:47:11.359] Um, again,
[00:47:14.319] by the chance of whether it was a a gift
[00:47:17.040] or a curse, I don't know. We're prepared
[00:47:19.359] for that because we deal with high
[00:47:21.440] voltage electricity and part of what the
[00:47:23.200] business does all the time, right?
[00:47:24.800] >> How big is this thing? Can you
[00:47:27.599] >> uh I'm gonna
[00:47:28.160] >> Is it possible to give me a
[00:47:30.079] >> It's not It's not that big.
[00:47:32.240] >> Think more of like when the shuttle
[00:47:33.920] comes in with heat shields, you know,
[00:47:35.760] you you add up so many of them. So if
[00:47:37.440] one fails, it's a small thing.
[00:47:39.920] >> Um now all that information is on record
[00:47:42.640] SSCI. It's all on it's all arrow. But
[00:47:45.359] what I
[00:47:45.760] >> And for anyone who doesn't know what
[00:47:46.800] that is, I would assume that most people
[00:47:49.040] watching my show do, but what is that?
[00:47:52.160] >> Sure. So SSCI is the Senate Select
[00:47:54.560] Committee on Intelligence, which is
[00:47:56.560] essentially the boss of all intelligence
[00:47:59.839] industries. So when you go into that
[00:48:01.599] skiff, that's where everything that's
[00:48:03.280] happened in every country, every
[00:48:05.599] terrorist attack, that's the briefing,
[00:48:07.359] that's the people you talk to in answer
[00:48:09.599] to. So naturally, they wanted to know
[00:48:12.079] the exact same thing.
[00:48:14.000] >> Okay.
[00:48:14.560] >> In in those question lines. So you're
[00:48:16.240] following that. Good. Um, and then a of
[00:48:18.480] course is the Pentagon's version of the
[00:48:20.480] investigative force that looks into
[00:48:23.520] I don't even want to say UAP, but if
[00:48:25.200] it's in the air and it's unidentified,
[00:48:27.839] what is it? Right. So,
[00:48:29.440] >> so
[00:48:32.800] again, you you get this you you obtain
[00:48:36.960] this panel,
[00:48:39.440] >> correct? Are you still in your mind
[00:48:43.040] thinking
[00:48:45.839] that I'm going like this someone's going
[00:48:49.040] to be coming after me now?
[00:48:52.319] >> Well,
[00:48:52.720] >> are you worried about that? Like what
[00:48:54.880] when do you stop being worried about the
[00:48:56.480] response team?
[00:48:57.520] >> Here's kind of what my thinking was. If
[00:48:59.760] a response team shows up and they say,
[00:49:02.960] "Why did you pick that up?" and I say,
[00:49:07.040] "Well, if I didn't, you have technology
[00:49:10.079] left
[00:49:11.599] in the middle of nowhere in a field."
[00:49:13.440] And at that point in time, I don't know
[00:49:14.800] if anybody else has seen it, right? I
[00:49:17.839] mean, I'm trying to monitor my eyes. Is
[00:49:19.920] anything flying over? Not just
[00:49:21.760] surveillance, but like normal. You know,
[00:49:24.480] if a pilot goes over in a commercial and
[00:49:26.319] he sees a word down there in the middle
[00:49:27.680] of a field, too, he's probably going to
[00:49:28.960] call it into air traffic, right? I mean,
[00:49:30.480] there's all sorts of scenarios. So,
[00:49:31.680] that's that was going to be my
[00:49:33.040] explanation. So, you're you you you were
[00:49:35.839] and you're not lying. You're a patriot.
[00:49:39.520] >> I'm glad you've brought it to this point
[00:49:41.280] because I want people to understand at
[00:49:42.800] no point time during this did I ever
[00:49:45.119] think to myself, "This is going to be my
[00:49:47.040] business. I'm going to take this and
[00:49:49.359] have it analyzed." It was just working
[00:49:51.920] through a crime scene, right? If you
[00:49:53.520] show up and someone's in an accident,
[00:49:55.920] you just start getting them out of the
[00:49:57.359] car. I mean, it's just it's just the
[00:49:59.200] process that seems like what you should
[00:50:00.800] be going through,
[00:50:01.680] >> right? as a good Samaritan,
[00:50:03.119] >> right? It has nothing to do with me
[00:50:05.520] planning this or planning that. I am
[00:50:07.359] clearly caught up in the moment of of
[00:50:09.440] what's going on here, right? So,
[00:50:11.599] >> okay. So, what happens next? You're
[00:50:14.480] you're you're clearly,
[00:50:17.520] you know, smart enough to to have picked
[00:50:19.680] this up. How long does the from start to
[00:50:22.720] finish, how long is this uh encounter?
[00:50:27.119] And again, um,
[00:50:29.599] >> yeah. So,
[00:50:32.240] it's a long encounter because of how
[00:50:34.480] much we're sitting there, how many we're
[00:50:36.079] waiting, right? So, we let 3 to 5
[00:50:38.000] minutes go by because I think it's this
[00:50:40.880] close. So, in 3 minutes, it should be
[00:50:42.480] over us, but someone else in the van, if
[00:50:44.160] you've ever tried to judge lights far
[00:50:45.920] off, right? It's not as easy. Okay.
[00:50:48.160] Well, it's 5 minutes by now and it
[00:50:49.599] should at least be, you know, closer,
[00:50:51.359] brighter. So, there's a lot of kill time
[00:50:53.359] there. But the actual out with it in
[00:50:55.760] person is right about 10 minutes time.
[00:50:59.119] You know, we could throw a thousand
[00:51:00.559] different times out there, but it do you
[00:51:02.720] include, how much do you not, how much
[00:51:04.480] of that's really important, but that's
[00:51:06.960] kind of the essence of it.
[00:51:08.319] >> But you had eyes on this thing for about
[00:51:13.280] 15 minutes.
[00:51:15.520] >> Yeah. from first starting to make out
[00:51:17.680] the craft because at that point in time
[00:51:19.760] before that we're just seeing lights and
[00:51:21.440] you there's no real detail of what it
[00:51:23.520] is.
[00:51:23.839] >> Yeah. But all right. So you have a lot
[00:51:26.319] of data as well.
[00:51:28.400] >> You you've obtained a lot of data on
[00:51:30.480] this thing.
[00:51:31.119] >> Correct.
[00:51:31.440] >> In the air.
[00:51:32.319] >> Correct.
[00:51:33.760] >> It blimps off. You grab the panel.
[00:51:37.040] You're back in the vehicle and you're
[00:51:40.400] headed off. What happens next? Well, as
[00:51:44.400] all excitement comes down to, when
[00:51:47.040] there's going to be some possible
[00:51:49.920] fallout,
[00:51:51.440] everybody wants to know who's going to
[00:51:53.040] be the point man, right? Things are
[00:51:55.520] going to happen. You're going to have to
[00:51:56.960] speak to somebody again.
[00:51:59.280] >> So, you're in the car talking about
[00:52:00.400] this, the other three.
[00:52:01.839] >> And it's not really like someone doesn't
[00:52:03.440] want involved in it. It's just like you
[00:52:05.119] get back in and a lot of other people
[00:52:06.800] are like,
[00:52:08.880] "Yeah, man. and I don't want to deal
[00:52:10.720] with, you know, you instantly start
[00:52:12.160] thinking the worst like I don't want to
[00:52:13.520] deal with the FBI. I don't want to deal
[00:52:14.960] with them, man. Like, you know, and I
[00:52:17.680] was like, I'll handle it. I'll handle
[00:52:19.920] it, right? Because you got to call
[00:52:21.920] somebody, you know? I mean, it's just
[00:52:23.440] the way again, we weren't thinking about
[00:52:25.040] let's have this and you know, these
[00:52:26.400] allegations against me. You're just
[00:52:27.920] thinking like, okay, so I don't do it
[00:52:30.640] when I get home. It's early hours of the
[00:52:32.079] morning. I was going to try and sleep.
[00:52:34.720] you because you can imagine even with me
[00:52:36.480] that you just can't you can't sleep. You
[00:52:39.200] know, you're replaying this in your
[00:52:40.640] mind. You're going through the data.
[00:52:43.599] Um, at that point in time, I would say
[00:52:46.800] three of the four of us in the vehicle
[00:52:48.800] were convinced it's human tech, but
[00:52:51.200] because of what we seen, there's still
[00:52:53.440] one that's like, you know, not not that
[00:52:56.480] it was a push of it's alien. It's just
[00:52:58.240] like I I haven't seen enough to say it's
[00:53:00.400] human tech at this point.
[00:53:04.640] But at this point there are there is
[00:53:07.040] debate amongst your your group that this
[00:53:10.559] might not be human.
[00:53:12.319] >> Yeah. I mean again we look at stuff in
[00:53:14.240] fairness.
[00:53:15.119] >> Wow.
[00:53:15.520] >> And everybody's got different knowledge
[00:53:17.680] bases, you know.
[00:53:19.920] >> So like
[00:53:20.480] >> this is amazing.
[00:53:21.200] >> For example, when I went into Arrow and
[00:53:22.880] they wanted to see photos and this
[00:53:24.720] exactly what they said, there's a
[00:53:26.000] certain way that everybody does stuff.
[00:53:27.280] So like there's a certain way China or
[00:53:28.800] US or Russia nips and tucks their
[00:53:30.480] aircraft. you can still tell things from
[00:53:34.079] it. So, some of the people that we have
[00:53:35.760] with us felt like that's definitely not
[00:53:38.880] just human but us tech. So, it kind of
[00:53:42.240] depends on what you're looking for and
[00:53:43.760] what your markers are of
[00:53:46.400] to get you to where you're at. So,
[00:53:50.000] >> um
[00:53:50.319] >> so you take point you take point,
[00:53:52.800] correct? You got you go guys,
[00:53:54.640] >> I own the company, right? I own the it's
[00:53:56.640] my I'll deal with it. Yeah,
[00:53:58.079] >> I'll I'll handle it.
[00:54:00.000] What what was your first move
[00:54:03.440] now that you had obtained let's just say
[00:54:05.839] m because we'll just call it the
[00:54:07.920] material right? Yeah.
[00:54:10.000] >> You've got the material
[00:54:13.280] >> the next day or or when what what's the
[00:54:17.520] decision that you make first? Who do you
[00:54:19.680] call? Who are you calling?
[00:54:21.359] >> My first thing was did anybody else see
[00:54:23.839] this?
[00:54:24.880] >> Oh,
[00:54:25.280] >> did anybody Well, I'm thinking through
[00:54:27.040] it, right?
[00:54:27.760] >> Oh, okay. Okay.
[00:54:28.319] >> You know, on the way home and drive
[00:54:29.440] home, I was like, "All right, I'll call
[00:54:30.800] the DoD tomorrow or the FBI." Then I get
[00:54:33.280] home and I was like, you know, that
[00:54:34.800] didn't necessarily seem like the
[00:54:36.000] greatest
[00:54:37.280] >> idea.
[00:54:38.000] >> I did. Did anybody else see this? You
[00:54:40.240] know, like, so I was thinking to myself,
[00:54:42.400] well, the internet's undefeated, right?
[00:54:45.440] Started to kind of look around message
[00:54:47.280] boards, thinking to myself, surely this
[00:54:49.119] is going to be,
[00:54:51.040] you know, someone's got to say something
[00:54:52.640] about it. And you you're running search,
[00:54:54.800] you know, for this word and that word,
[00:54:56.559] lights in the sky.
[00:54:58.240] Kansas lights in the sky,
[00:54:59.839] >> nothing. So then I talked to another
[00:55:02.319] person who's kind of was involved within
[00:55:04.480] just the community and um kind of like a
[00:55:06.720] morning show person that knew
[00:55:08.000] everything, got all the tips and they're
[00:55:10.160] like, I haven't heard a thing about it.
[00:55:11.680] And then they actually had called the
[00:55:13.839] Air Force base by there and their Air
[00:55:15.440] Force base, not that they would have
[00:55:16.480] told him, but was like, yeah, we don't
[00:55:17.680] know what you're talking about.
[00:55:19.599] >> So and in all actuality, I didn't want
[00:55:21.760] that answer. I was kind of like, shit,
[00:55:23.839] we're the only
[00:55:26.000] we're the only ones,
[00:55:27.839] >> right? So, we're the only ones. Now, we
[00:55:30.559] have a real duty.
[00:55:31.920] >> Now, I've got to make the call.
[00:55:33.440] >> Yeah. Okay. And who do you call?
[00:55:36.079] >> Well, so again,
[00:55:38.240] >> not Ghostbusters, right?
[00:55:39.520] >> Right. And this is the problem with
[00:55:41.280] movies, believe it or not, there's no
[00:55:45.599] way to really talk to your government as
[00:55:48.480] a civilian.
[00:55:50.400] There's no magic phone number.
[00:55:52.160] >> No. Yeah. There's no like there's
[00:55:54.640] there's no Superman phone, right? Oh, no
[00:55:57.760] phone the where you call in. Yeah.
[00:56:00.240] >> Correct. And even if you look through
[00:56:02.079] your intelligence agencies right now,
[00:56:03.599] they all have an 800 number. You can't
[00:56:05.599] call your local office, you know, your
[00:56:08.000] local headquarters or regional office.
[00:56:12.000] So, I try the DoD a little bit. They
[00:56:14.160] have no idea what what, you know, how to
[00:56:16.799] help me. And that's an essence of when I
[00:56:18.480] call the FBI because keep in mind
[00:56:20.960] there's there's different
[00:56:22.160] >> I'm sorry the Department of Defense
[00:56:25.119] can't help.
[00:56:26.240] >> Here's here's why and it's relayed when
[00:56:28.960] I when I spoke to the FBI.
[00:56:30.480] >> Well, it's now the DO, but right
[00:56:32.559] >> then it was the Department of Defense.
[00:56:34.480] >> Here's what I'm saying, and you be the
[00:56:36.720] FBI here.
[00:56:37.760] >> Okay.
[00:56:38.640] >> I'm in Kansas. It's early hours of the
[00:56:41.359] morning. I have essentially seen a UFO.
[00:56:45.599] Okay. Here's what you do. Click. That's
[00:56:49.680] what it gets to. Sir, I can't help you.
[00:56:52.960] Sir, I don't Okay.
[00:56:54.640] >> Yep.
[00:56:55.359] >> That's it. Now, at that point in time, I
[00:56:57.040] hadn't said anything about pieces or
[00:56:58.559] whatnot because you're just trying to
[00:57:00.799] get this conversation
[00:57:03.119] started. You're trying to have them take
[00:57:05.359] you serious. And at that point in time,
[00:57:07.440] no matter what I would have yelled out,
[00:57:08.880] it would have been like yelling out,
[00:57:09.839] "I've been abducted."
[00:57:11.920] >> You could tell they were just like
[00:57:14.000] >> over it.
[00:57:14.559] >> You're a crazy guy. at 3:00 a.m.
[00:57:17.680] >> I don't think
[00:57:19.920] >> What year is this?
[00:57:21.839] >> I always say early 2000s. And the reason
[00:57:25.920] >> So the
[00:57:27.280] >> this first happening Yeah.
[00:57:30.160] >> early 2000s,
[00:57:32.480] >> correct?
[00:57:34.640] And the reason
[00:57:35.839] >> So the stigma is so big right then.
[00:57:39.599] >> Yeah. Can you imagine?
[00:57:41.119] >> They're they're not they're not even
[00:57:42.640] remotely entertaining it. No one's heard
[00:57:45.599] of any arrow burles is still probably it
[00:57:50.079] may even been before he was in the
[00:57:51.359] Missouri you know state house like this
[00:57:52.960] is before everybody's come out and
[00:57:54.559] started to to make this a word
[00:57:56.319] >> this is so
[00:57:58.720] one question
[00:58:01.440] >> before or after 911
[00:58:05.440] >> I don't date it with that but what I do
[00:58:07.440] say is it was before the Nimmits
[00:58:10.720] encounter
[00:58:13.440] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Before
[00:58:16.400] >> I want I want people to understand the
[00:58:17.839] reason why for this. And if you you know
[00:58:20.160] everybody listens to like uh whether it
[00:58:22.079] be Tim Phillips or Sean Kurpatre talk,
[00:58:24.000] it's always let's get those guys. And
[00:58:26.799] I'm not saying there's not a reason for
[00:58:28.160] it, right? I got my own part of that,
[00:58:29.920] but there's certain things they say that
[00:58:31.760] people don't realize what they're
[00:58:33.920] saying. And one of them is they'll say
[00:58:36.400] for those of you that haven't come out
[00:58:37.839] to the public eye, we thank you. And a
[00:58:40.000] lot of people jump on that and say, "Oh,
[00:58:41.599] they don't want to telling us the public
[00:58:43.280] what's going on." But the reason is in
[00:58:45.599] real reality of how these things work is
[00:58:48.559] the first step of any radar system of
[00:58:51.440] any discovery is an algorithm.
[00:58:53.920] >> So if I know every single one of these
[00:58:56.720] dates of when something was in the air
[00:58:59.359] and the date and time location, I can
[00:59:02.079] see what's in the sky for satellites,
[00:59:04.640] communication links.
[00:59:07.119] I can start figuring out information you
[00:59:09.200] do not want the enemies
[00:59:12.240] to have. And as we sit here right now,
[00:59:14.480] the NIMITs is so publicized. They've got
[00:59:16.640] one point that's in every algorithm. We
[00:59:18.640] don't want to give them conditional
[00:59:21.760] points to figure out how does this thing
[00:59:23.280] fly. I mean, this is how you break stuff
[00:59:24.880] down. This is the same thing we did. So,
[00:59:27.680] that's the reason for not giving
[00:59:29.200] everybody an exact
[00:59:31.440] date and time.
[00:59:32.319] >> Okay. Fair. Yeah. Fair. So before the
[00:59:34.720] nimmits um that actually I did not
[00:59:40.480] that fact must have escaped me. I was
[00:59:43.680] thinking like 2015.
[00:59:46.319] So no but the stigma so the stigma is
[00:59:49.839] real still. It's not even a stigma at
[00:59:52.559] that point in time, you know, with
[00:59:56.319] with people that are within our team and
[00:59:58.640] the jobs that they have. And God bless
[01:00:01.760] Kansas, but it's it's a little bit
[01:00:04.240] behind the progressive movements of
[01:00:06.000] anything. If you say you're see you
[01:00:08.720] start saying you're seeing UFOs,
[01:00:11.599] >> you you're probably losing your job or
[01:00:14.559] questions. Okay. So, it's you just you
[01:00:17.599] would never
[01:00:18.400] >> your credibility is fractured. It's it's
[01:00:20.319] gone. Yeah.
[01:00:21.520] >> So, um but to like in context of calling
[01:00:26.640] like federal agencies,
[01:00:29.440] they're also still take at this time.
[01:00:32.319] >> Yeah.
[01:00:32.799] >> They're still denying that
[01:00:35.119] >> they're investigating
[01:00:37.599] that they take it seriously
[01:00:40.160] and publicly facing they have they they
[01:00:44.400] have nothing to do. They they literally
[01:00:47.040] refer you to MUON. That's what they did.
[01:00:49.920] Basically, they didn't say move on. Did
[01:00:51.119] they refer you to me?
[01:00:51.839] >> Not not to move on by name, but it was
[01:00:53.520] like basically go talk to the other
[01:00:55.520] crazy people guy, right? You know, we
[01:00:57.440] got you. You got me on the phone for 10
[01:00:59.280] minutes. Leave me, you know, that's I
[01:01:01.040] can't help you.
[01:01:02.000] >> Even though you said you had material,
[01:01:03.760] >> not at that point in time because it
[01:01:05.280] never got to that. You know, we're
[01:01:07.119] trying to work it through because I
[01:01:08.720] don't want to just blurt out, oh, I got
[01:01:10.160] material.
[01:01:11.359] >> I want to let them know we picked it up
[01:01:13.359] for this reason, right?
[01:01:15.440] >> We we have it. You know, you want to
[01:01:17.119] work. You want to set that stage so
[01:01:18.720] you're not opening with, hey,
[01:01:20.480] >> I have material.
[01:01:21.599] >> Correct. But again, you could just tell
[01:01:24.720] >> it was of no
[01:01:26.720] >> interest. They just viewed me as a crazy
[01:01:28.720] guy. Now, the FBI is going to come up
[01:01:31.200] several times in this story, and it's
[01:01:33.359] interesting to see how that went 360
[01:01:36.640] towards the end, but that was my start
[01:01:38.319] of the FBI was getting hung up on.
[01:01:40.480] >> Okay. So,
[01:01:44.799] what h
[01:01:46.799] before we go to the to the break and
[01:01:49.200] then um because when we get back I I
[01:01:52.720] we're going to get real real deep uh
[01:01:55.200] into this, but
[01:01:59.040] how many when is it that you go, "Okay,
[01:02:03.359] if no one's going to take me seriously,
[01:02:06.240] I might as well get this. I might as
[01:02:08.480] well use this
[01:02:11.680] to my benefit to some degree.
[01:02:13.599] >> It's after those calls, you know, I made
[01:02:15.520] a couple other calls because legitly I'm
[01:02:18.400] trying to get someone on the phone at
[01:02:20.000] some military branch or whatnot that
[01:02:22.720] have a an actual conversation, a serious
[01:02:26.799] >> conversation and nobody wants to talk to
[01:02:28.559] a UFO person. So, we get through all of
[01:02:31.520] that and we've got several
[01:02:33.920] acknowledgements. I always keep my
[01:02:35.440] receipts of basically like, well, it's
[01:02:38.799] not ours. Not in the sense of like we're
[01:02:40.400] revealing information to you, but like
[01:02:42.240] you know, you call the Air Force base
[01:02:43.599] and they're like, "Well, I know what to
[01:02:44.640] tell you guy, but it's not ours." Right?
[01:02:46.000] So, it's like, "Okay, nobody's claiming
[01:02:47.599] it. Nobody wants to have a serious talk.
[01:02:51.599] Let's start looking at what we actually
[01:02:53.280] have, right?
[01:02:54.240] >> Because as you'll see, you know, as this
[01:02:56.799] moves forward and I start releasing more
[01:02:58.559] stuff, when I started to bring in
[01:03:01.200] information, that's what caught people's
[01:03:04.079] >> attention. So, this is the pinnacle, the
[01:03:06.960] genesis block of like, well, let's just
[01:03:08.799] start going at it like we would. Not a
[01:03:10.640] full-blown company. We didn't open a
[01:03:12.319] headquarters. We didn't register. You
[01:03:14.799] know, my companies are all registered
[01:03:17.039] in, you know, Wyoming, so it's an
[01:03:18.559] anonymous LLC. None of that. It's just
[01:03:20.799] us saying, "Let's get the information on
[01:03:22.640] it, go back again to them, present it,
[01:03:25.760] and then hopefully we get to the person
[01:03:27.599] that says, "Oh shit,
[01:03:29.440] >> these guys were telling the truth."
[01:03:30.799] Yeah,
[01:03:31.119] >> we should have taken them seriously.
[01:03:32.559] Let's get them on the phone to the right
[01:03:34.799] people
[01:03:35.520] >> because Yeah, because ultimately again
[01:03:37.760] you want to like this is what you do.
[01:03:41.839] You want that
[01:03:43.440] >> look
[01:03:43.839] >> collaborative effort.
[01:03:44.880] >> Look at Ariel, right? If you go in with
[01:03:46.720] the story what they can say whatever
[01:03:48.480] they want.
[01:03:49.359] >> Yeah.
[01:03:49.680] >> Right.
[01:03:50.240] >> Yeah.
[01:03:50.720] >> You go in with evidence, it's a
[01:03:52.480] different conversation. And so even at
[01:03:54.079] the lowest level of over the phone, if
[01:03:56.079] you can't go in and say, "Well, can you
[01:03:58.160] have someone visit me or can I go on and
[01:04:01.039] you know speak to you and I'll bring my
[01:04:03.599] information?" You have a story that they
[01:04:05.760] consider a nothing burger.
[01:04:07.119] >> Right. Right.
[01:04:08.240] >> So that's that's where it started.
[01:04:10.079] >> Now did did
[01:04:13.599] who who analy so you when you start
[01:04:18.000] analyzing this,
[01:04:20.880] how do you go about that? Uh are you
[01:04:23.200] contacting certain labs? Are you going
[01:04:25.440] to universities or are you working with
[01:04:27.760] muon or what's
[01:04:29.440] >> ne not there again this is because there
[01:04:33.680] was one person that wasn't convinced of
[01:04:36.319] what it was and in fairness we did have
[01:04:40.079] a particular member look at you know you
[01:04:44.000] cover the this alien sort of whatifs and
[01:04:47.760] we'll just start looking at hard
[01:04:49.119] science. So my team was not that. My
[01:04:51.200] team's the hard science team, right? So
[01:04:53.680] some things you can do yourself.
[01:04:56.079] >> Other things like an actual analysis of
[01:04:58.240] a piece of craft, that's a good one.
[01:05:00.559] It's beyond a person's
[01:05:02.799] >> capabilities for what you would spend on
[01:05:05.039] what you would need to do that. So that
[01:05:06.640] was sent off. That's on record SSCI.
[01:05:09.839] That's on record at Arrow.
[01:05:11.839] >> Okay.
[01:05:12.160] >> This has all been set. None of this is
[01:05:14.400] this may be new to the everybody
[01:05:16.000] listening to this but again I have never
[01:05:18.640] tried to keep secrets from
[01:05:21.680] the government in some sort of
[01:05:23.520] conspiratorial way.
[01:05:25.119] >> Right. You've consistently showed the
[01:05:28.240] want to do the right thing. It's the
[01:05:31.119] non-agnowledgement and the almost
[01:05:34.319] reverse kind of like discrediting like
[01:05:36.960] saying like you know
[01:05:38.079] >> it's well there's there's two
[01:05:39.280] discreditings there. There's the
[01:05:40.720] discrediting when you think I don't have
[01:05:43.119] to deal with this person. And then when
[01:05:44.960] we drop the fucking hammer, then it's
[01:05:47.280] the discrediting of I don't want anybody
[01:05:49.119] listening to this guy. And it's the
[01:05:50.799] absolute panic of oh shit,
[01:05:53.440] >> right?
[01:05:53.839] >> He's got everything he needs,
[01:05:55.440] >> right? So what happens with the hard
[01:05:58.960] science? You don't have to, you know,
[01:06:02.079] again, I will cut things out if needed.
[01:06:05.680] >> Yeah. if anything I say and all my
[01:06:08.400] interviews I always tell people just you
[01:06:10.559] know so people understand cuz you're
[01:06:14.160] obviously a friendly guy but also a
[01:06:16.319] journalist like I've kind of always
[01:06:17.920] encouraged people if you got a question
[01:06:19.760] ask me especially if it's a hard
[01:06:21.359] question I'm not here for any sort of
[01:06:23.359] you know gimme so if people pick up on
[01:06:26.240] that that's what I've preferred you know
[01:06:28.640] how this go so
[01:06:30.640] >> the hard science is
[01:06:33.359] you start also answering your questions
[01:06:35.039] just like a thesis is and what it was is
[01:06:39.200] why would this be here? You know, that's
[01:06:41.280] of all the questions, believe it or not,
[01:06:42.960] that's actually the number one question
[01:06:44.640] because that's also is this a route? Is
[01:06:47.599] this a known route? Is this how it
[01:06:49.119] travels? And this was also part of, you
[01:06:51.839] know, what the other team was doing
[01:06:53.359] looking at we need to know why it's here
[01:06:56.079] in Kansas.
[01:06:58.160] So, we started thinking, okay, you know,
[01:07:00.240] we've got people with us that are radar
[01:07:01.920] people.
[01:07:03.280] The first step of, you know, Radar, like
[01:07:05.200] I said, is the algorithm. So, what we
[01:07:07.359] needed to see is will lightning strike
[01:07:09.280] twice, right?
[01:07:11.359] >> If we don't get a hit on it here, that
[01:07:13.520] probably could have been the end of
[01:07:14.720] everything other than our piece.
[01:07:16.720] >> If we can get a hit on it here, now you
[01:07:19.599] start building, you know, what
[01:07:22.400] particular GPS satellites and I mean,
[01:07:24.480] you start forming all that that I was
[01:07:26.160] saying we got to be worried about
[01:07:28.000] releasing. So we had the piece which
[01:07:31.520] means you know we had an analyze we had
[01:07:33.680] a lot of data so we know what the
[01:07:35.520] signatures are going to be of this.
[01:07:38.960] We're still in the infancy so we don't
[01:07:41.039] just have massive you know arrays of of
[01:07:44.000] things we can put out. So in that sense
[01:07:45.760] we joked about Ghostbusters but that's
[01:07:47.599] kind of what the original it was like a
[01:07:49.440] Ghostbuster car of
[01:07:52.640] trying to run it down in that same
[01:07:55.200] particular area. So,
[01:07:57.280] >> so you went looking for it.
[01:07:59.359] >> Yeah. Knowing what it should,
[01:08:02.079] you know, we had some benefits because
[01:08:04.079] you you got to be careful what you say
[01:08:05.280] because you can receive signal, but when
[01:08:06.960] you start sending signals, there's a lot
[01:08:08.400] of license and whatnot you have to have.
[01:08:10.319] So, when I skip over things, it's
[01:08:12.000] intentional.
[01:08:13.680] >> Fair.
[01:08:14.240] >> But if hypothetically you knew what the
[01:08:17.359] signature was, you can get pretty high
[01:08:19.759] in the sky to try and identify that same
[01:08:22.880] signature. So,
[01:08:23.920] >> right,
[01:08:24.480] >> it's not that we're waiting for another
[01:08:26.239] downed craft floating off the ground.
[01:08:28.880] We're just trying to see does it cross
[01:08:30.880] this path again,
[01:08:32.880] >> right? Is this repeatable? Is this
[01:08:34.880] something that is the flight the flight
[01:08:36.640] path for this thing?
[01:08:38.000] >> And for people that don't know, that's
[01:08:40.640] that's still common stuff. Like you have
[01:08:44.239] flight paths for a reason.
[01:08:46.080] >> And going over Kansas is a damn good
[01:08:48.080] reason, right? Who's really going to see
[01:08:49.759] you outside? And I mean these are the
[01:08:51.600] reasons why you pick pass especially
[01:08:54.000] with test aircraft or Xplane. So,
[01:08:56.239] >> right. And again, middle of the night,
[01:08:59.279] right? What hour is this? What from the
[01:09:02.159] original?
[01:09:03.040] >> So, when this whole thing went down,
[01:09:05.040] it's about a 3:00 a.m. time.
[01:09:07.600] >> That's exactly when I would do it if I
[01:09:10.159] was
[01:09:10.880] >> right.
[01:09:11.759] >> Everyone is most people are asleep.
[01:09:17.120] If not, they're hammered. If they're up
[01:09:20.400] at 3:00 a.m., there's a chance that
[01:09:22.880] again, you start living. Their story's
[01:09:24.319] just been doubted because you're a
[01:09:25.679] person up at 3:00 a.m. and what are most
[01:09:27.279] people at 3:00 a.m. are coming up from
[01:09:28.480] the bar. So again, it doesn't you just
[01:09:30.880] have a story without data.
[01:09:32.719] >> Yeah. And exact it's just it's that that
[01:09:35.520] would be my time. So again, you're
[01:09:38.159] seeing all these things.
[01:09:39.120] >> I try and give people a reference to how
[01:09:40.799] this really works, you know, because my
[01:09:43.199] mind and my experience is in that
[01:09:45.440] industry. And for anyone that follows
[01:09:48.000] like the war zone, you know, I don't
[01:09:50.000] agree with everything, but he'll do some
[01:09:52.880] real world stuff. And one of them is
[01:09:54.640] there's an actual team that will go out
[01:09:58.159] uh the Nightstalkers and train in urban
[01:10:01.120] environments where people are at un
[01:10:04.239] announced. And the particular story he
[01:10:07.280] covered was he got pictures back of
[01:10:08.960] basically people in all black repelling
[01:10:10.960] down from Nighthawks. I believe it was
[01:10:12.880] in Miami or something like that. So he
[01:10:14.880] immediately thought this is a fake
[01:10:18.320] nonsense story, but when he started
[01:10:20.320] checking into it, they verified, yeah,
[01:10:22.400] that's that's how they train. So they're
[01:10:24.880] simulating sneaking into a city or a
[01:10:28.719] building
[01:10:29.360] >> undetected,
[01:10:30.000] >> real fucking world that they're going to
[01:10:31.679] have to do in another country to see how
[01:10:34.320] it goes. So again, for people that say,
[01:10:36.719] "Oh, no one would do that." This is
[01:10:38.560] exactly how they do stuff for obvious
[01:10:40.960] reasons. Now them hitting some sort of
[01:10:42.880] problem and the craft being where it was
[01:10:45.760] at is an unfortunate unintended thing
[01:10:48.480] for them. But this is how you test
[01:10:50.960] stuff.
[01:10:51.520] >> Yeah. Unfort Yeah, exactly. Now with
[01:10:54.400] that being said, um one more thing
[01:10:57.520] before we hit hit the break. uh
[01:11:02.480] in the time that you're getting hung up
[01:11:07.199] on by the threeletter agencies, alphabet
[01:11:11.120] agencies,
[01:11:12.480] >> and
[01:11:13.679] >> I know you say you're on the hard
[01:11:15.440] science, but are you starting to develop
[01:11:20.560] a more of a an interest in UFO in UAP?
[01:11:25.920] Um are you starting to look into certain
[01:11:28.320] cases? uh to see if you can find any
[01:11:30.960] similarities like has that come up yet?
[01:11:35.679] >> I know it's come up. You have a person,
[01:11:37.600] but are you starting to dive down that
[01:11:40.000] hole?
[01:11:40.560] >> Well, keep in mind when I say I'm
[01:11:42.719] certain it's human tech,
[01:11:44.560] >> maybe 99.9%.
[01:11:47.040] But as anyone should be, never go to
[01:11:51.040] 100. I know I say 100 because it's so
[01:11:52.880] close to it, but you always have to be
[01:11:55.440] willing to be wrong. you know, an open
[01:11:58.560] mind. The individual that we brought in
[01:12:01.199] for this, what I'm referring to as the
[01:12:02.719] alien UFO side
[01:12:05.520] is a person that we see a lot of times,
[01:12:07.840] they're not in the community, but like
[01:12:09.360] in the community, who could tell you
[01:12:11.920] cases that even some of the most studied
[01:12:15.040] people don't know or don't remember like
[01:12:17.280] that sort of level of
[01:12:19.840] like just what I've told you, son. And
[01:12:21.440] you say, "Oh, well, are you familiar
[01:12:22.640] with this?" Because they, you know, this
[01:12:24.080] happened in those arc. It's that same
[01:12:25.679] sort of thing. So that was kind of the
[01:12:28.159] level of person we brought in of could
[01:12:31.120] tell us anything. And what I looked at
[01:12:34.480] was I went back to look at the old fire
[01:12:36.480] in the sky. And it wasn't I wanted to go
[01:12:38.800] and disprove it. It was just that's how
[01:12:41.040] it happened.
[01:12:42.239] >> So that's why you're going back and
[01:12:44.000] looking at these. Oh. And then another
[01:12:47.440] one that came up was the um the
[01:12:49.679] Philadelphia experiment because although
[01:12:51.840] I can't say a lot about it today as
[01:12:53.920] we're relaying you know how things work
[01:12:56.080] and what we've got on data the person
[01:12:58.320] was like oh just like you you know you
[01:13:00.000] kind of do it's like oh well that
[01:13:01.120] reminds me of the Philadelphia
[01:13:03.120] experiment. So it's like hm well we
[01:13:05.120] better look at
[01:13:06.480] >> what this was
[01:13:07.120] >> like that. I mean, we couldn't look at
[01:13:08.400] everything, right? I mean, that's, you
[01:13:10.080] know, but you're trying to pick out the
[01:13:11.600] best ones, whether it be the most talked
[01:13:13.840] about, like the school case, or ones
[01:13:15.520] that this person's saying that fits kind
[01:13:17.360] of what you're telling me.
[01:13:18.640] >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Wow.
[01:13:21.840] >> With the Philadelphia experiment, um,
[01:13:26.400] what did you
[01:13:28.480] uh how did you even approach that? It's
[01:13:31.520] a wild story.
[01:13:32.719] >> It's a wild story.
[01:13:34.000] >> Story nonetheless. And
[01:13:37.040] the
[01:13:37.360] >> do you believe I mean do you believe
[01:13:38.960] that that
[01:13:41.199] that we may have something like we know
[01:13:44.640] MK Ultra and things like that did happen
[01:13:47.920] right we know that there
[01:13:50.480] >> government's shady and keeping secrets
[01:13:52.640] for sure
[01:13:53.360] >> right
[01:13:54.080] >> um and I've dealt with that a lot
[01:13:58.159] >> it's where as this has progressed
[01:14:02.000] because of knowing what I know now the
[01:14:04.239] sort of stuff you have to go into skiffs
[01:14:05.920] about not one time they go and verify it
[01:14:08.159] call you back again over years right
[01:14:12.080] it's that
[01:14:14.880] I kind of had to let go of the hunt of
[01:14:17.520] where did this come from because that's
[01:14:19.840] the big thing did we develop this
[01:14:21.840] ourselves or is this from a you know a
[01:14:24.000] craft that we've recovered or
[01:14:26.800] re-engineered and the way I had to do
[01:14:29.440] that is I'll never know I've got access
[01:14:33.600] to running things down and getting data.
[01:14:35.840] Right now, I don't have access as
[01:14:38.480] people's finding out for their own
[01:14:39.840] selves of pulling files
[01:14:42.480] from the military government. Like, how
[01:14:44.159] are you ever going to get into these
[01:14:45.440] files? You would have to know to see
[01:14:48.159] that, which is kind of what brought me
[01:14:50.239] here, which is that Jean Sticko and his
[01:14:53.760] book was just another guy to me on
[01:14:57.120] internet.
[01:14:58.960] Look through it and there are
[01:15:00.960] >> I'm sorry, who?
[01:15:01.760] >> Jean Sticko.
[01:15:03.920] I know
[01:15:04.640] >> picked my
[01:15:07.040] picked at me a little bit because there
[01:15:08.800] are some things in those papers that
[01:15:11.760] pique my interest. Now again, you know,
[01:15:14.719] I'll say if but you know, you start
[01:15:18.080] looking at stuff and it it's
[01:15:21.360] you say if there was ever a path, look
[01:15:23.440] here. So I reached out to him, you know,
[01:15:26.239] spoke to him a little bit more.
[01:15:27.920] >> Do you think there's something to it?
[01:15:29.760] >> Well, here's what I'll say.
[01:15:33.920] If this truly was re-engineered,
[01:15:38.560] People have to understand re-engineering
[01:15:40.239] is not what it sounds like. First of
[01:15:42.320] all, it's damn near impossible.
[01:15:45.199] And the product you get out at the end
[01:15:46.880] of it is not going to be as good as
[01:15:50.080] um you know, think about when China
[01:15:51.280] starts stealth or things. Yeah, it may
[01:15:54.320] look exactly the same, but the coding is
[01:15:56.080] not. I mean, there's just certain things
[01:15:57.440] you can't get. So,
[01:15:58.640] >> shortcuts taken and yeah,
[01:16:00.560] >> you're guessing. you're still guessing a
[01:16:02.080] lot. So with that said, it would also
[01:16:04.480] have to go through a very long timeline.
[01:16:08.080] >> But that's also why panels could be
[01:16:10.000] falling off.
[01:16:11.120] >> True. So my view of that book and the
[01:16:14.640] information in that book is if there
[01:16:16.560] really was a program
[01:16:18.960] >> in those era
[01:16:20.800] >> and you have to think is anything like
[01:16:23.199] TVs or anything is it still the same as
[01:16:25.199] the Soviet area as it is now? No. So
[01:16:27.520] what I'm looking at is the 2000 because
[01:16:30.239] it's 26 right now version or early
[01:16:32.400] 2000s.
[01:16:34.159] That would be what it would look like
[01:16:35.679] probably in the infasy of re-engineering
[01:16:39.120] this which is what it it covers. So
[01:16:41.040] that's kind of
[01:16:42.800] >> there's got to be something that piques
[01:16:44.640] my interest like when I look through all
[01:16:46.159] those cases and I said it's bullshit.
[01:16:48.000] Well, you know, most of its stories,
[01:16:51.120] most of its claims. Here's some actual
[01:16:53.600] data
[01:16:54.719] >> that does have some things that match
[01:16:56.880] up.
[01:16:57.280] >> I have a question. Are there any um and
[01:17:01.520] maybe even Jean can pop in here because
[01:17:05.280] I just Are there any mil nuclear
[01:17:08.320] equipped military bases in the area that
[01:17:11.520] you were?
[01:17:14.880] So the short answer is no on nuclear but
[01:17:18.640] it depends on you know you throughout
[01:17:21.280] our process of tracking these and
[01:17:23.440] running them down. Yeah. But does that
[01:17:26.480] mean we'll just say 50%. Not that that's
[01:17:29.440] accurate but we'll say what do you look
[01:17:31.440] as a glass half full or empty on if that
[01:17:33.600] has something to do with it because just
[01:17:34.880] like you can find one that is close then
[01:17:37.280] there's another one that's not. So I
[01:17:40.159] think it has more to do with when people
[01:17:41.760] see stuff like you should you analyze
[01:17:44.640] what is this buy and if it just happens
[01:17:47.280] to be the majority is by you know
[01:17:49.040] something that's nuclear now we say oh
[01:17:51.199] it's got to be close to has an interest
[01:17:53.120] in nuclear
[01:17:54.880] and that may not be accurate.
[01:17:56.400] >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Um and
[01:18:03.679] so I mean because that area is hard.
[01:18:08.400] It's like you said, it's all
[01:18:09.920] >> you're in no man's land. So, you're in
[01:18:11.600] no man's land.
[01:18:12.400] >> It really does fit more with the
[01:18:13.600] narrative of if you didn't want anybody
[01:18:15.120] to see it, anybody go through, you know,
[01:18:17.040] one of the things,
[01:18:17.920] >> but but you said like places like
[01:18:19.679] Lockheed and they all have places around
[01:18:22.719] there.
[01:18:25.280] >> Yeah. Everybody builds there. Not
[01:18:27.199] necessarily like a skunk works, but
[01:18:29.440] everybody's general aviation, military
[01:18:31.760] jets, and then that's you still have to
[01:18:33.600] build your secret stuff somewhere. A lot
[01:18:35.760] of spy planes come out of
[01:18:38.159] that area. I mean, there's a lot of
[01:18:39.920] stuff. They don't sit out at the fences
[01:18:42.320] like they do at Area 51, but I'm telling
[01:18:44.480] you, just from working in that area,
[01:18:45.760] they should, right?
[01:18:46.960] >> A lot of shit because if you want to fly
[01:18:48.480] someone out without someone noticing
[01:18:49.679] that you've just built, that's the
[01:18:51.440] place.
[01:18:52.239] >> That's the place to do it.
[01:18:53.440] >> Be a place to do it. Yeah.
[01:18:54.960] >> Yeah. All right. So, let's uh let's take
[01:18:57.440] our break right here. Uh we're gonna we
[01:18:59.760] have to play the ads uh unfortunately to
[01:19:02.960] keep the show free, you know. Uh, but
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[01:19:10.800] partnering with, Good Feels, uh because
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[01:19:18.320] here, let let everyone go to the go to
[01:19:20.719] the bathroom, uh reset, and then when we
[01:19:23.280] get back, I'd like to talk about um some
[01:19:26.560] of the So when you came out to Arrow, uh
[01:19:30.239] you know, I want to start talking about
[01:19:31.760] the post 2017
[01:19:35.120] Yeah,
[01:19:35.600] >> that's a good place and why everybody
[01:19:37.520] knows who I am, but they're so confused.
[01:19:39.360] We got to string some things out.
[01:19:40.880] >> Yeah, we'll skip over the because, you
[01:19:42.960] know, it was the time before,
[01:19:45.199] >> right, where they're kind of still
[01:19:46.880] hanging up the phone, but the New York
[01:19:49.040] Times article happens, the disclosure,
[01:19:52.080] the modern disclosure movement starts
[01:19:54.080] happening.
[01:19:55.600] >> I'm assuming that's when you go back and
[01:19:57.920] you go, "Hey,
[01:20:00.000] >> it's kind of like here's here's the
[01:20:01.360] exact parlay into it. We're starting to
[01:20:03.040] work the company. We're realizing we can
[01:20:04.719] do things no one else can do and we're
[01:20:07.360] still trying to like help out and be
[01:20:08.640] like, you know, that thing you think's
[01:20:09.679] not trackable, guess what it is and
[01:20:12.719] we'll help you because at that point in
[01:20:14.080] time we're starting to get money into it
[01:20:15.600] and then it ends up where I get
[01:20:17.920] investigated by AFOSI and CIS even as a
[01:20:21.360] civilian
[01:20:21.920] >> and you start getting threat threats
[01:20:24.000] >> and then they ended up because of
[01:20:25.840] jurisdiction and in person they made me
[01:20:28.320] fucking go in with the Department of
[01:20:29.760] Justice and the FBI office and all the
[01:20:33.120] you suits of attorney generals and
[01:20:35.040] fucking talked to them
[01:20:37.120] >> really.
[01:20:37.679] >> And that's when the FBI threatened said
[01:20:41.600] that we're they accused me of
[01:20:43.600] blackmailing the United States
[01:20:45.040] government. And keep in mind, he didn't
[01:20:46.480] say me the whole fucking time. He could
[01:20:48.080] have said this, you know, early. I mean,
[01:20:50.480] I was in there for a couple hours. He
[01:20:51.840] was like, "Based on everything I've
[01:20:53.760] heard, you haven't committed any crimes.
[01:20:57.199] You do have a right to have a business
[01:20:59.920] and a product and sell that
[01:21:03.280] to the United States government even if
[01:21:06.320] they don't like what your capabilities
[01:21:08.719] are. And basically because of that I was
[01:21:12.239] like oh fuck I can get out of here.
[01:21:15.199] Hey basically you you still got to
[01:21:17.280] follow rules like do you know what ITAR
[01:21:18.880] is? And he started telling me like
[01:21:20.000] you're going to have to go through that.
[01:21:21.280] And then as I'm leaving he was like cuz
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[01:22:54.159] And we're back. So, we set the stage
[01:22:57.600] before the break. And the first thing I
[01:23:00.560] really want to ask about is that you've
[01:23:04.239] said OSI verified death threats uh and
[01:23:09.760] you know adversary financial offers. Can
[01:23:12.480] you walk us through the first time that
[01:23:14.480] you felt your life was in danger?
[01:23:17.280] >> You know it never comes with a death
[01:23:19.199] threat to start. So how they start is
[01:23:21.440] financial offers investments into
[01:23:23.440] companies which is all normal protocol
[01:23:26.000] you know we all quickly learn. So, when
[01:23:28.800] you start getting people approaching you
[01:23:32.480] because they have to find a way to get
[01:23:34.239] to you, but there really shouldn't be
[01:23:36.000] one, then it some red flags go up. And
[01:23:38.239] then when you find out they want to
[01:23:39.440] invest,
[01:23:41.920] red flag. So, it starts very uh mundane.
[01:23:46.560] Now, as things progress and you realize
[01:23:50.000] exactly what's going on, so you say no.
[01:23:53.520] Then it becomes where they essentially
[01:23:57.120] go to the next step. And the next step
[01:23:59.360] of death threats happens to do with
[01:24:02.159] they're following you around. You have a
[01:24:03.840] tail. You know, when I used to go back
[01:24:05.920] and forth to the skiff and the heart
[01:24:08.719] building, the SSCI skiff, I used to tell
[01:24:11.840] those guys, "This is the most half-ass
[01:24:13.679] setup I've ever seen." Right? I walk in
[01:24:16.960] two doors. You don't have to have any
[01:24:18.560] ID. Then you go to security. The
[01:24:21.199] security is a booth setup.
[01:24:23.360] with like a five layer ceiling. You can
[01:24:26.239] see right over right past it, right
[01:24:28.080] through it.
[01:24:29.120] >> You go through the metal detector, which
[01:24:30.719] is all it is in the X-ray, and then
[01:24:33.360] you're in. So, the SSCI skiff is right
[01:24:37.360] there on the second floor. It's not a
[01:24:39.120] secret. And you can sit there and watch
[01:24:42.560] who goes in, who comes out. They even
[01:24:44.800] publicize when their weekly meetings are
[01:24:46.560] on Tuesdays and what time it is. There
[01:24:48.880] goes Rubio. There goes Warner, right?
[01:24:52.000] It's ridiculous. So part of that is what
[01:24:54.800] would you think then state actors would
[01:24:57.199] do on a daily basis?
[01:24:59.840] Keep an eye on who's going in and out
[01:25:02.400] because you can hang out in that
[01:25:03.520] building all the time. Someone goes into
[01:25:06.239] that skiff,
[01:25:08.639] it's something big.
[01:25:11.040] You don't get into that skiff if it's
[01:25:13.199] not major national security.
[01:25:16.639] So, moving forward on this multi-layer,
[01:25:21.199] they're chasing me around because
[01:25:22.960] they've come up with who I am namewise
[01:25:25.280] from some other activities that went on,
[01:25:27.040] which I'm not going to release today
[01:25:30.639] of of who I am and then just kind of
[01:25:33.199] process. They've obviously got someone
[01:25:35.600] watching the skiff at the other side and
[01:25:37.280] these things start to work out to where
[01:25:38.880] they start to figure out essentially
[01:25:40.880] that I'm ratting them out.
[01:25:43.040] I'm going into SSCI like with the
[01:25:45.040] Langley and I'm telling them who's doing
[01:25:46.639] what and what's in the sky and they're
[01:25:49.199] getting pretty pissed. So now, not only
[01:25:50.800] have I not took the financial offer for
[01:25:53.040] them to grab my tech, I'm using it
[01:25:55.440] against them. And at that point in time,
[01:25:57.920] it progresses into death threats,
[01:26:01.040] >> right? And how did that come?
[01:26:03.679] >> They come usually over the phone and
[01:26:07.199] they've got your phone number. They tell
[01:26:08.880] you, "We've got your phone number. we
[01:26:10.560] can track you by your phone number and
[01:26:13.120] they start making the threats. You know,
[01:26:15.120] I was just speaking with Gan about it.
[01:26:17.360] This is kind of the industry he's from,
[01:26:19.040] but they tell you you can't handle the
[01:26:21.600] consequences. They can tell you they're
[01:26:23.040] going to find you by your phone. This is
[01:26:24.719] just more pressure to get you.
[01:26:27.360] >> So, it's failed.
[01:26:29.199] >> It's veiled, but it's always clear at
[01:26:30.880] the end because at the end they tell
[01:26:32.159] you, "We're going to wipe you off the
[01:26:33.360] face of Earth." They tell you what sort
[01:26:34.960] of horrible things they're going to do
[01:26:36.320] to you and your family.
[01:26:38.480] there's no uh beating around the bush.
[01:26:41.840] >> Do you think that there's a possibility
[01:26:44.560] that when people talk about the Men in
[01:26:47.120] Black, you know, this is a big thing in
[01:26:49.199] the UFO community, do you think that
[01:26:51.440] this is some sort of like deep state arm
[01:26:54.560] that comes out to shake people?
[01:26:57.840] >> I can tell you that
[01:26:59.120] >> get too close to this. One of the things
[01:27:04.000] that was one of the questions that was
[01:27:05.840] asked to me by a senator was,
[01:27:09.120] let me kind of shape this a little bit.
[01:27:10.960] So, we're sitting there talking and all
[01:27:12.800] these various death threats and
[01:27:14.080] everything. Again, this has all been
[01:27:15.440] turned over. Arrow's got it. SSCI's got
[01:27:19.040] it. When it comes in, that's what I do,
[01:27:22.000] right? I'm following the rules. I'm
[01:27:23.520] following the laws. I've got a DoD
[01:27:25.199] dropbox for Arrow, you know, a sensitive
[01:27:27.520] dropbox. All these things.
[01:27:30.239] Senator has two piles and one pile has
[01:27:34.400] these death threats from China and
[01:27:36.159] others um that came with some pretty
[01:27:38.320] intense verification
[01:27:40.560] that they are who they say they are and
[01:27:42.400] they can they're at the level where they
[01:27:44.080] can pull this off and then there's
[01:27:46.159] another pile and I kind of thought why
[01:27:47.679] would you separate
[01:27:49.760] these just you know my analytical mind
[01:27:52.639] and he puts his finger on it and he says
[01:27:55.040] do you ever think our own United States
[01:27:57.199] government might be sending you offers
[01:28:00.080] or death threats just to see if you'd go
[01:28:02.239] for it
[01:28:03.920] into that conversation.
[01:28:06.880] >> I hadn't considered that before because
[01:28:10.080] I'm when I get something, I just turn it
[01:28:11.760] in. But when I stopped and thought about
[01:28:13.440] it, it's not a verification of men in
[01:28:16.639] black and that sort of story. But our
[01:28:19.920] government, as we know,
[01:28:22.480] when they want to keep a secret, they'll
[01:28:24.880] gladly pin something on you or put you
[01:28:28.320] in a bad spot. So, it's not a Men in
[01:28:31.120] Black, but there may be worse things out
[01:28:32.639] there than the Men in Black showing up
[01:28:34.080] at your door.
[01:28:35.199] >> Right. Right. Wow. That's
[01:28:39.679] Wow. That must be I mean it starts to
[01:28:43.840] make a lot more sense on why you're and
[01:28:47.120] I kind of respect it in a way that
[01:28:49.360] you're not willing to
[01:28:52.000] you're not willing to let them win easy.
[01:28:56.320] You know, you're you're just not. And I
[01:28:58.960] I there's something about it that I
[01:29:00.719] respect and and um I mean thank thank
[01:29:04.080] you because I think people like you
[01:29:06.639] bring legitimacy. So, I mean, it must
[01:29:09.120] have been really disheartening, you
[01:29:11.120] know, with hindsight on just myself
[01:29:14.719] watching Tim Phillips of Arrow say these
[01:29:17.920] kind of things about you.
[01:29:20.800] It's
[01:29:21.280] >> or imply them.
[01:29:23.120] >> Yeah. I mean, he flat out said him. I I
[01:29:25.280] it was
[01:29:27.120] it was for a reason. And if for anyone
[01:29:29.520] that needs to find the reason, you go
[01:29:31.199] back and you watch that interview and
[01:29:33.520] the question that's actually asked to
[01:29:35.440] him is they're talking about the UAP
[01:29:38.560] caucus
[01:29:40.080] and has nothing to do with the Senate,
[01:29:42.560] has nothing to do with witnesses,
[01:29:44.560] nothing. And then the question is, what
[01:29:47.360] was it like essentially to work with
[01:29:48.960] members of that, you know, caucus?
[01:29:53.120] and he does this weird kind of thing
[01:29:55.760] where he's moving his body and he's
[01:29:58.400] somehow formulates an answer that has
[01:30:00.639] nothing to fucking do with the question.
[01:30:03.360] So it in my mind that's pre-planned, but
[01:30:06.000] he was just trying everything he could
[01:30:07.440] to find the place to to
[01:30:09.679] >> get it in there.
[01:30:10.560] >> Drop it in.
[01:30:11.280] >> Drop it in there. Cuz when he dropped it
[01:30:12.719] in there, he fucking came with
[01:30:14.639] everything he had. So
[01:30:18.880] the statement of
[01:30:21.360] we believe one witness was trying to
[01:30:23.360] extort Arrow and the government and then
[01:30:27.040] going into how he wasn't a medical
[01:30:28.719] professional but based on what he was
[01:30:31.360] told he wouldn't want me around his
[01:30:33.679] family and then further dictating that
[01:30:36.560] supposedly it was handed off to the FBI
[01:30:40.000] to look at me. What that actually
[01:30:42.320] achieved was
[01:30:44.480] number one, a hit on my business. So now
[01:30:47.679] I run a business that's trying to extort
[01:30:49.600] the United States government.
[01:30:52.880] People don't understand how close I got
[01:30:56.080] over years of dealing with these people.
[01:30:59.040] We'd go to the pub when I was in DC and
[01:31:01.040] we'd have drinks or food a lot of times
[01:31:02.880] when I'm in town. We know about each
[01:31:05.679] other's families, right? Because I've
[01:31:07.199] got security issues. You know, they're
[01:31:08.960] coaching me through it. They knew how
[01:31:10.400] involved I was all my kids kids
[01:31:13.120] activities. I mean like we win would me
[01:31:16.719] and my wife win awards for you know
[01:31:18.560] volunteering at the school and stuff and
[01:31:20.480] so like everybody knew how wrapped up I
[01:31:22.880] am with family life. So then what do you
[01:31:25.920] think he went for?
[01:31:27.120] >> Business and family.
[01:31:28.239] >> Business and family and the family that
[01:31:29.840] I wasn't safe. This is coming from a guy
[01:31:31.760] who although he was on the deferred
[01:31:33.360] retirement was still on a paycheck.
[01:31:36.960] He hadn't retired yet. He's still
[01:31:38.320] getting a paycheck. No, they just asked
[01:31:40.000] him to sit sit it out. Sit the rest out.
[01:31:42.719] >> Correct. So, he's still a government
[01:31:44.800] employee. Came out and said that I
[01:31:46.800] wasn't safe to have around one's family.
[01:31:48.639] Now, if my name comes out,
[01:31:51.120] >> what do you think every parent of every
[01:31:52.960] one of my kids' friends? Do you think
[01:31:54.639] that school would ever let me back in
[01:31:56.480] there? It will be a massive story on you
[01:31:59.280] have this madman that he's framed me as.
[01:32:02.080] So, he's trying to basically say, "Shut
[01:32:05.199] the fuck up.
[01:32:07.760] Don't come out talking because if you do
[01:32:09.600] and your identity is out,
[01:32:11.679] >> you're ruined.
[01:32:12.320] >> We're gonna bury you.
[01:32:13.040] >> You're ruined. Your your everything's
[01:32:14.719] your personal life and your
[01:32:15.920] >> We may not be able to kill you outright,
[01:32:19.360] but you might as well be
[01:32:22.159] >> time to shut up.
[01:32:23.040] >> You'll want to be dead by the time we're
[01:32:25.360] done with you.
[01:32:26.400] >> Well, the way that I found out about
[01:32:28.159] what he did on that podcast was is my
[01:32:30.480] phone started going crazy, going off. It
[01:32:32.719] was blowing up and I was like, "Let me
[01:32:35.440] check it." And again, I'm not going to
[01:32:37.120] say the names of people who still have
[01:32:39.280] my back that I've worked through with
[01:32:41.280] these various, you know, committees and
[01:32:43.040] branches, but that's who it was. And the
[01:32:46.400] exact statement essentially was, "You've
[01:32:48.560] been marked for death, man. Like, you
[01:32:50.159] you're in trouble." And I was like, "The
[01:32:52.480] hell are you talking about? I just
[01:32:53.760] checking my phone here,
[01:32:55.040] >> right? This has to be
[01:32:56.960] >> as they work through it makes perfect
[01:32:58.560] sense." So right now some of the stuff
[01:33:00.400] Tim Phillips forgot to remember in that
[01:33:02.880] statement was that you have to remember
[01:33:04.880] >> verified death threats against you from
[01:33:07.040] countries. Now Tim Phillips has just
[01:33:09.679] went on what will be viewed by everybody
[01:33:12.159] because nationals state actors anyone
[01:33:15.120] that's former this or that especially in
[01:33:17.120] SCES like he said you know serves at the
[01:33:20.080] pleasure of the president they watch
[01:33:22.159] everything you do to see if there's any
[01:33:23.600] hints. He's just went on essentially and
[01:33:26.320] said that the guy that they know that
[01:33:27.760] they're tracking me, so they know me in
[01:33:30.320] that way, has physical material in
[01:33:34.000] pieces. And he verified it when Mick
[01:33:35.679] West said it. So when I got the message
[01:33:38.080] from these guys, they were like, "You
[01:33:39.679] got to watch out for fucking home
[01:33:41.120] invasion, kidnapping, nothing's off the
[01:33:43.920] fucking thing. You have material pieces
[01:33:45.920] of a technology that's going to rule the
[01:33:47.679] fucking world. It's just been announced
[01:33:49.600] you have them on your possession."
[01:33:52.719] >> You're fucked. Th this must have been
[01:33:54.560] the day.
[01:33:56.239] >> Think about what a country would do and
[01:33:58.000] what they do to steal our technology.
[01:34:00.239] The sort of levels of thousands of
[01:34:03.120] people end up getting caught going to
[01:34:04.400] jail. The money they spend. Now you're
[01:34:06.000] saying, "Hey, that guy, if you can track
[01:34:07.600] him down in his fucking house, which
[01:34:09.679] they're what they were trying to say,
[01:34:11.520] has the technology.
[01:34:12.800] >> He's got something in his home.
[01:34:14.800] >> It's the easiest path to the greatest
[01:34:16.880] creation in the world. You just got to
[01:34:19.199] get him."
[01:34:20.639] And if people want to not take what you
[01:34:22.960] just said seriously,
[01:34:25.360] I implore you to look around at the
[01:34:28.400] missing scientists,
[01:34:30.800] the missing generals, the dead people,
[01:34:35.440] all seemingly connected with aerospace,
[01:34:41.280] nuclear,
[01:34:43.360] and
[01:34:45.040] you know, uh engineering uh capability.
[01:34:49.520] So this is real. Like I can't stress
[01:34:53.679] that enough. And it is becoming clear
[01:34:58.320] that there is some sort of civil war
[01:35:01.360] happening behind the scenes in
[01:35:03.520] government and military-industrial
[01:35:05.120] complex where some people want this out
[01:35:08.000] there, right? They want to start
[01:35:10.480] advancing it because clearly it's not
[01:35:13.199] working in a silo. But then there's the
[01:35:15.360] other half that's like over my dead
[01:35:18.320] body.
[01:35:19.760] Correct. And just, you know, my my
[01:35:22.400] personal thoughts on this, just like we
[01:35:24.000] looked at different things and maybe
[01:35:25.360] it's this, maybe it's not that. With a
[01:35:27.520] lot of people, I agree the list is
[01:35:29.040] probably too extensive on there. But
[01:35:30.800] what I will also stress is this stuff
[01:35:33.120] really does happen. I can't say it
[01:35:34.800] happened to these people, but
[01:35:37.199] individuals don't understand the sort of
[01:35:40.560] pressure they put on you when you have
[01:35:43.280] and they found you for technology to
[01:35:44.960] either take a deal, steal it, whatever
[01:35:47.120] the fuck they got to do. The amount of
[01:35:48.639] offers I've had from Pretty Women to
[01:35:51.600] take an all expense paid trip to China,
[01:35:53.440] which is going to be a one-way ticket. I
[01:35:55.920] mean, they hit you with every fucking
[01:35:57.280] thing they have. So, I don't know if
[01:35:59.920] this happened to these people, but this
[01:36:01.520] is a real current in the
[01:36:04.320] >> in the process going through. I mean,
[01:36:08.000] do we need to look at like the Epstein
[01:36:11.440] stuff for for further proof of I mean,
[01:36:16.080] this is the world. I I think people
[01:36:18.800] >> It's dirty.
[01:36:19.840] >> It's dirty. It is dirty. Do you think
[01:36:22.719] that
[01:36:27.840] I guess I don't want to get too
[01:36:29.040] speculative with this um
[01:36:32.719] but let's play a hypothetical out.
[01:36:35.840] >> Sure.
[01:36:36.239] >> Just because I want I want people to
[01:36:37.840] hear it. Pretty girl asks you to go to
[01:36:40.800] China. All expenses paid.
[01:36:43.600] >> You you you get there. What happens?
[01:36:46.960] What do you What do you
[01:36:49.119] >> correct? So, it obviously depends on the
[01:36:51.119] situation, but it's very easy for them
[01:36:53.199] to get you over and take money, take
[01:36:54.960] what you want. I mean, there's always a
[01:36:56.800] progression into it. For me personally,
[01:37:00.080] there's no pretty girl there, right?
[01:37:01.600] It's a one-way ticket. But the offers
[01:37:03.360] that I got, and this has all been
[01:37:05.280] reported. I mean, again, everything I
[01:37:08.080] got, I turned in. There's no secrets.
[01:37:11.119] You get a random, oh, sorry, wrong
[01:37:13.280] number thing, then talking, then the
[01:37:15.280] picture of it, and then it's like, well,
[01:37:16.800] you know, I live in here. I live there.
[01:37:18.719] Oh, really? They just happen to live in
[01:37:20.719] DC when you just happen to be going to
[01:37:22.400] DC. That way you want to get a drink,
[01:37:24.960] right? Then it progresses into like, you
[01:37:27.199] know, do you know about China? Like, you
[01:37:28.639] know, do you like China? So then if you
[01:37:30.400] say no, and I, you know, I don't have
[01:37:32.560] anything against Chinese people, Asia,
[01:37:34.880] plenty of friends, by all means. But
[01:37:36.480] when you know you're talking to a
[01:37:37.840] fucking
[01:37:39.440] >> spy, you're a little nastier, you know?
[01:37:41.760] So
[01:37:42.560] >> you can play that angle or you can play
[01:37:44.639] the other angle. But you know what
[01:37:46.320] essentially the alphabet agencies were
[01:37:48.080] telling me is is like you got to have
[01:37:49.600] more than just a text. You got to get
[01:37:51.360] some sort of location from them. You got
[01:37:53.679] to get some sort of phone number,
[01:37:55.040] something we can exploit
[01:37:57.600] to catch them, right? So this is why you
[01:38:00.159] got to talk a little bit and get some
[01:38:03.360] information. So then they've got a place
[01:38:05.600] you can stay while you're up there in
[01:38:07.119] DC. Well, guess where that information
[01:38:08.639] went? Right over to the fucking
[01:38:11.360] authorities, right? Because now you've
[01:38:12.719] got a location. So that's the process of
[01:38:15.600] it, you know. I mean, I've been married
[01:38:17.840] for a long time.
[01:38:19.920] My
[01:38:20.320] >> But they're trying to get you to trip.
[01:38:22.400] >> It's the normal trips even for people
[01:38:24.320] who are married. The old pretty lady
[01:38:26.159] scheme, the honey traps, the honey, the
[01:38:28.719] red sparrow, the
[01:38:30.000] >> this stuff works. And
[01:38:32.480] >> because men are men all tend they're
[01:38:36.400] what they're leveraging is they're
[01:38:38.000] they're leveraging the
[01:38:42.159] I mean again this is a society that
[01:38:44.480] allows like only fans to exist right
[01:38:48.159] yeah
[01:38:50.080] >> and the Epstein stuff and we can go down
[01:38:52.320] we don't have to go down that road but
[01:38:53.679] it's just an example of like this is the
[01:38:56.960] real world whether you guys want to see
[01:38:59.840] it or not this stuff happens So, but
[01:39:02.960] moving on,
[01:39:03.600] >> the greatest control is to be able to
[01:39:05.520] blackmail somebody. And everything you
[01:39:07.600] mentioned there, whether it be Epstein
[01:39:09.199] or the honeypot trap, at the end, that's
[01:39:11.280] what it comes down to.
[01:39:12.800] >> Now, they got a secret.
[01:39:13.920] >> They want what you have and they'll do
[01:39:16.560] anything to have that leverage over you
[01:39:19.440] where
[01:39:19.840] >> correct
[01:39:20.719] >> the only you only have the option of
[01:39:24.560] giving it up.
[01:39:25.600] >> You have to agree to or Yeah. Or they're
[01:39:28.159] going to send honey pictures to your
[01:39:29.760] wife. That's the sort of shit that
[01:39:31.199] >> the blackmail,
[01:39:31.920] >> right? That's where it comes from.
[01:39:33.119] >> So,
[01:39:39.760] what
[01:39:42.400] you you you had mentioned something to
[01:39:44.400] me um about Admiral Tim Goddet.
[01:39:48.560] Um there I don't know. I'm sure you saw
[01:39:50.719] the recent clip.
[01:39:51.679] >> I did. The battle back and forth a bit
[01:39:53.920] like I've had. Yeah.
[01:39:56.000] >> Do you know what that tells me?
[01:39:58.719] It tells me that they are willing to lie
[01:40:01.840] through their teeth just right at you.
[01:40:06.000] Like
[01:40:07.679] Kirk Patrick, the man who ran Arrow, is
[01:40:10.960] willing to just boldly lie
[01:40:15.600] even though it was very verifiable that
[01:40:18.560] he was lying, but he's just willing to
[01:40:20.800] do it. And he's sipping his coffee and
[01:40:23.119] he's acting like like this is no big
[01:40:25.440] thing. like that guy is Dr. Evil.
[01:40:28.400] >> Well, well, yeah, his own nickname,
[01:40:30.320] self-proclaimed nickname is Dr. Evil.
[01:40:32.000] What I what I will say about that is
[01:40:34.880] there are certain rules that are
[01:40:36.639] supposed to be followed and one of them
[01:40:38.960] is, especially within the the IC and
[01:40:41.360] just what I'm into now is you don't put
[01:40:43.440] someone else's name out there unless
[01:40:45.840] there's a reason. So, when Tim Phillips,
[01:40:48.800] you know, essentially led everybody to
[01:40:51.040] it's me, there's a reason. Kurpatre,
[01:40:54.480] whether you like him or not, has never
[01:40:57.119] burnnosed my ass, right? So, I stay away
[01:41:01.920] out of it's kind of the mutual respect.
[01:41:04.320] It's not a fear of saying something.
[01:41:05.760] It's like there's no good to come from
[01:41:09.040] having a verbal battle. I think Tim
[01:41:10.960] Phillips has realized that now because I
[01:41:12.800] didn't back down. And there's no clear
[01:41:14.880] example than what you just mentioned
[01:41:16.639] because what we have on record now is
[01:41:18.639] that Tim Galedet, uh, Tim Phillips, and
[01:41:23.119] Kurpatre all only agree on one thing.
[01:41:25.760] Everybody's focused on whose story is
[01:41:28.800] real. What do they agree on? It happened
[01:41:31.440] at Arrow. Kurpatre's version, his
[01:41:34.000] office. Philip's version, his office,
[01:41:35.840] but also Kurpatre's office. Galedet, it
[01:41:38.800] happened at Arrow. Okay, so we got that.
[01:41:42.639] These are their words, not mine. Right?
[01:41:44.480] Because I've had to sign paperwork that
[01:41:46.239] I can't say certain things.
[01:41:49.119] So, what happens over the battle?
[01:41:52.159] There's a reason why Sugoff is involved
[01:41:54.480] in keeping stories straight.
[01:41:57.600] >> Well, whether it was intentional because
[01:42:00.960] remember he you read a little bit of his
[01:42:03.520] statement. He says, "This is from my
[01:42:05.760] unclassified,
[01:42:07.600] you know, essentially public record."
[01:42:09.119] And I thought that was odd. And then he
[01:42:11.760] puts up a screenshot. What's on the
[01:42:14.400] screenshot? His meeting at Arrow. These
[01:42:18.480] are I'm using other people's words here.
[01:42:20.560] >> Of course. Yeah. This
[01:42:21.360] >> what has been said by both Phillips and
[01:42:23.119] Kurpatre. We don't release the location
[01:42:26.560] of the Arrow office because we don't
[01:42:29.040] want people to know where it's at.
[01:42:32.000] What's on that fucking thing? The
[01:42:34.080] Galidet.
[01:42:34.960] >> The location of
[01:42:36.320] >> the goddamn address
[01:42:38.320] >> down to the suite.
[01:42:40.400] So there's no fucking good from getting
[01:42:43.600] into these verbal battles. So what that
[01:42:46.800] tells me is how shitty Errol really is
[01:42:51.440] being ran because these guys are
[01:42:53.199] supposed to be professionals. They
[01:42:54.719] should fucking know
[01:42:57.199] this is what's going to happen. There's
[01:42:58.639] always going to be a casualty. There's
[01:43:00.239] always going to be damage.
[01:43:02.400] So
[01:43:02.719] >> do you think Arrow is fit for the job at
[01:43:05.679] at hand?
[01:43:07.679] Arrow is being assigned a job they don't
[01:43:10.880] want versus are they fit. So analyzing
[01:43:13.760] things that don't have a UAP or orbs
[01:43:16.400] attached to them. They're probably
[01:43:18.320] pretty good at it with the experts that
[01:43:20.080] they have. What is this? Is it a Chinese
[01:43:22.159] this, you know, is it this?
[01:43:24.560] But they don't want the job of UAP.
[01:43:28.480] Even me, I'm willing to still say we
[01:43:30.880] tried to analyze as best as we could. we
[01:43:32.960] still kept somewhat of an open mind with
[01:43:34.719] all the evidence for them. It's
[01:43:37.040] definitely a no as it comes in. So with
[01:43:39.920] that, I can't say they're good for the
[01:43:42.480] job because they they won't give an
[01:43:44.960] honest look. I found out today, so I
[01:43:48.480] recently interviewed uh a Connecticut
[01:43:51.760] state legislator, uh Joe Hawka, and I
[01:43:55.520] woke up to a text today that uh said
[01:43:58.480] that because he had entered a bill for
[01:44:02.880] Connecticut.
[01:44:03.760] >> I'm familiar with it. Yeah.
[01:44:05.040] >> Yeah. For the state to study UAP and
[01:44:08.400] they were going to stand up an
[01:44:10.080] investigation that included, you know,
[01:44:12.159] professor university uh and all that. it
[01:44:16.080] went into appropriations, right? Meaning
[01:44:18.880] the money was going to go there no
[01:44:20.480] matter what. Like it was already pretty
[01:44:23.040] much green lit.
[01:44:25.760] >> At the last minute, they went and the
[01:44:29.520] money is still being allocated for a UAP
[01:44:31.520] study, but now it's going to be done by
[01:44:33.760] AI because they don't want to actually
[01:44:35.920] hire anyone human. and they went with
[01:44:38.800] the Democratic candidates um version
[01:44:43.840] of the of the program. So they last
[01:44:47.119] minute redrrew up an alternate plan that
[01:44:49.840] included a only an AI investigation. So
[01:44:53.280] it's just like
[01:44:54.880] >> yeah
[01:44:56.560] what are we doing here guys? Like what
[01:44:58.719] are we doing?
[01:44:59.679] >> Just so I'm clear on this and I mean
[01:45:02.080] again this isn't about me telling the
[01:45:03.840] story. There's a reason why, and these
[01:45:05.920] have been admitted by multiple
[01:45:07.600] politicians, the Pentagon, you have
[01:45:10.080] someone in more than once in a skiff
[01:45:13.119] with sitting senators who are on
[01:45:14.800] committees that can verify everything
[01:45:16.639] you say while you're there. They send
[01:45:18.560] someone out the door to verify it
[01:45:20.639] because unbeknownst to some podcasters,
[01:45:22.639] you can't have electronics inside of a
[01:45:24.159] skip.
[01:45:24.480] >> No. Yeah. So, for anyone who doesn't
[01:45:26.320] know, it's it's essentially a Faraday
[01:45:28.480] cage, right?
[01:45:29.520] >> You're locked in a bank vault.
[01:45:30.960] >> Yep. Yep. Essentially. So if you say
[01:45:34.320] this was there at this GPS and they go
[01:45:36.719] and they call NGA or whoever the hell
[01:45:38.800] they need to call and they didn't answer
[01:45:40.639] back and they come and give you a nod
[01:45:42.080] yeah or no and you don't get multiple
[01:45:44.080] meetings over years unless you're
[01:45:45.440] getting all yes
[01:45:46.639] >> right
[01:45:47.360] >> right
[01:45:47.760] >> so with that said I say this in
[01:45:50.320] certainty
[01:45:52.880] a as much as I like what they're doing a
[01:45:56.080] college or institution will never
[01:45:57.840] fucking solve this or find it in the sky
[01:45:59.840] because you don't have what you need not
[01:46:01.920] just funding
[01:46:03.600] the knowledge. You don't know what
[01:46:05.440] you're looking for.
[01:46:06.560] >> I agree. But what I the point being is
[01:46:11.440] you're what they you can control
[01:46:13.760] artificial intelligence. You can't
[01:46:16.080] necessarily control you you you don't
[01:46:18.480] always have control over human, right?
[01:46:22.080] So, you know, if they were to find
[01:46:24.080] anything, you know, now it's an AI and
[01:46:26.880] you know, they they write the code that
[01:46:28.560] does this.
[01:46:29.119] >> Yeah. I mean, my point I'm trying to
[01:46:30.639] hammer down is it's the same way as the
[01:46:32.800] the Galileo project. It's not going to
[01:46:35.360] fucking find anything. I'm just I'm
[01:46:37.040] telling you now.
[01:46:38.719] >> This is the program by Avi Lo,
[01:46:40.480] >> right? None of this shit's going to find
[01:46:42.480] anything. By all means, I'm the only one
[01:46:44.800] that's got the track record
[01:46:47.280] can bring it in. And none of that stuff
[01:46:50.320] works. So, what I'm trying to tell
[01:46:51.679] people is not brag about myself. I'm
[01:46:53.679] trying to say what you do is very
[01:46:56.639] important. And when you instantly do
[01:46:58.480] something that's not going to work and
[01:46:59.760] it doesn't mean because it's not with
[01:47:01.119] good intentions, right? Like I love, you
[01:47:03.679] know, I've saw the interview. He's got
[01:47:05.280] all good intentions, but he doesn't, how
[01:47:07.280] would you know the answers of how to set
[01:47:09.920] this up? It's bad in the end because now
[01:47:12.880] what you have is another state's going
[01:47:14.960] to say, "Well, I know the one up in
[01:47:16.400] Connecticut spent this much of money and
[01:47:18.320] didn't find it." And so that's where I'm
[01:47:20.159] trying to angle people into like who you
[01:47:23.040] put where you put your money and who you
[01:47:24.960] put your backing to in this community
[01:47:26.719] does have an effect.
[01:47:28.000] >> Okay, fair enough. And that's that's
[01:47:29.679] fair. Um
[01:47:32.000] you're fighting the Invention Secrecy
[01:47:34.239] Act which you had mentioned before. Um
[01:47:36.960] and you claim that you're you're
[01:47:38.480] winning. Um I would assume.
[01:47:41.199] >> Yeah. If I was losing I wouldn't be here
[01:47:42.960] because you can't say anything.
[01:47:45.920] >> What does that battle look like right
[01:47:47.520] now? Yeah. Again, we're exposing
[01:47:50.639] secrets, not just military technological
[01:47:53.520] secrets, but how the government really
[01:47:55.840] operates.
[01:47:57.600] You know, when I got out of the the FBI
[01:47:59.760] office, they mentioned ITAR, right?
[01:48:02.000] Because I've had to go through all this.
[01:48:03.280] So,
[01:48:03.600] >> what is ITAR for anyone who does?
[01:48:04.800] >> ITAR is international traffic of arms
[01:48:07.199] regulations through the Department of
[01:48:09.040] State. And basically what it has to do
[01:48:10.800] with is any technology they determine
[01:48:13.440] they should control, which by the way,
[01:48:15.119] it's a massive umbrella. It's not just
[01:48:17.679] stealth planes. You could be talking
[01:48:19.520] about anything, right? At one point in
[01:48:21.040] time, they even try to regulate
[01:48:22.320] gunsmiths,
[01:48:23.440] >> but the invention secrecy act again
[01:48:27.920] um was put in as a clampdown on
[01:48:32.239] >> it's the other part of the box. The
[01:48:34.000] first part of the box is ITAR because
[01:48:35.760] ITAR is separate. But what ITAR says is
[01:48:38.800] you have to turn in the schematics
[01:48:41.440] basically and the information about it.
[01:48:42.880] They want to essentially know
[01:48:43.920] everything, how it's made, what it can
[01:48:45.840] do, and then they look at it and they
[01:48:47.679] determine what else could it do, not
[01:48:51.119] even just what you're pointing out. And
[01:48:52.880] then they regulate who you can talk to.
[01:48:55.280] Every marketing material that you're
[01:48:56.880] going to have to sell this has to be
[01:48:58.480] approved. Every person you want to talk
[01:49:01.600] to has to be approved. If you sell it,
[01:49:04.639] it has to be approved. So, they control
[01:49:08.880] everything. There's no court system to
[01:49:11.199] go to. So if I want to sell something or
[01:49:13.679] I want to talk to somebody in another
[01:49:15.119] country,
[01:49:16.080] >> it all has to be
[01:49:16.960] >> service has to be approved. And ITAR,
[01:49:19.520] although we didn't go through with the
[01:49:20.960] application because they were really
[01:49:22.560] honest like wanting to know how to make
[01:49:24.239] it. And it's like we're not going to
[01:49:26.000] we're not going to go through approval
[01:49:27.119] if we have to tell you how to make it.
[01:49:28.159] Like that's just another screw job of,
[01:49:30.800] you know, more requests for more
[01:49:32.159] information, requests for information.
[01:49:34.800] It's a disaster. So if you violate that
[01:49:37.360] and they can also just tell you you
[01:49:39.040] violated it. You don't have to have
[01:49:41.280] approval. You're talking about millions
[01:49:44.080] per fine federal pen time. I mean it's
[01:49:48.560] fucking
[01:49:49.440] >> again
[01:49:50.000] >> come down on you. Come down on you. So
[01:49:51.520] the other side of that is you say okay
[01:49:54.800] let me patent this. You go through the
[01:49:57.040] US patent office. It's the same thing
[01:49:58.560] the patent office for people that don't
[01:50:00.239] know. If you are a US citizen you have
[01:50:02.080] to go through the patent office. It
[01:50:03.280] doesn't matter if you're in another
[01:50:04.400] country. Doesn't matter if you paid for
[01:50:06.400] everything yourself. It doesn't matter
[01:50:07.760] if you only clean the floors where it
[01:50:09.360] was made. By law, you have to go through
[01:50:12.080] the US patent office first.
[01:50:15.520] >> They look at it, Department of Energy,
[01:50:17.840] Department of Defense,
[01:50:20.000] even you know, commerce basically looks
[01:50:21.840] at it and says, "Will this throw the US
[01:50:23.760] financial system into a mess? Does this
[01:50:26.159] mess us up on defense and military and
[01:50:28.400] so on?" If they determine that, then
[01:50:30.719] they have the ability to implement the
[01:50:32.480] invention secrecy act, which means you
[01:50:34.560] have a patent, but it's theirs. It's not
[01:50:37.920] yours until they release it. And why
[01:50:40.480] they have it, you cannot speak about it.
[01:50:43.600] That means to the public, that means you
[01:50:45.520] couldn't do a podcast like this and talk
[01:50:47.520] about the invention or how you're
[01:50:49.040] getting screwed. You can't even tell
[01:50:50.800] your own spouse. If you do, this is
[01:50:53.119] gonna sound familiar. Federal pen time
[01:50:56.080] and millions in fines.
[01:50:59.840] That's the fucking box. So now who do
[01:51:02.159] you sell it to? You're stuck in the only
[01:51:04.880] fucking customer
[01:51:05.760] >> is the US government.
[01:51:06.719] >> Is the US government.
[01:51:08.960] they get a straight and uh
[01:51:12.159] I believe I probably don't have the
[01:51:14.159] exact numbers in front of me or but a
[01:51:18.320] lot of energy related
[01:51:21.840] uh like propulsion like that stuff uh
[01:51:24.639] anything energy related um and like hard
[01:51:28.639] material science advancement are often
[01:51:31.920] kept um at bay using these methods.
[01:51:36.239] Yeah, I mean I have some ideas of some
[01:51:37.840] of the numbers and what people need to
[01:51:39.040] know is it's growing. So this is being
[01:51:41.360] not just
[01:51:42.400] >> advancements being hindered.
[01:51:43.840] >> They are it's growing so
[01:51:46.000] >> to benefit
[01:51:47.040] >> they figured out what to use and they're
[01:51:48.960] they're making damn good effort of you
[01:51:51.280] know more and more and more people's
[01:51:52.719] patents and so you know what I want to
[01:51:55.119] really hit home with people on this is
[01:51:58.639] is they've also figured out tricks. You
[01:52:01.440] say, "Well, take him to court." By law,
[01:52:03.119] kind of like the imminent domain says,
[01:52:04.639] you know, everybody's jumping on. They
[01:52:06.320] have to pay you a reasonable value.
[01:52:08.880] Well, there's been court cases. No
[01:52:10.639] lawyer will even take them because when
[01:52:12.080] you get into the court cases on record,
[01:52:13.840] what happens is is the Department of
[01:52:15.440] Defense and Department of War says,
[01:52:17.920] "Yes, we use that person's device that
[01:52:20.960] could defeat this, defeat that." And
[01:52:24.159] it's all correct. And they say, "Well,
[01:52:25.920] why didn't you negotiate a price?" And
[01:52:28.000] what they say is is because the price
[01:52:29.920] and the amount we use is classified
[01:52:31.920] which is legal loophole. So there's no
[01:52:34.560] mathematical equation
[01:52:37.119] to be paid and there's no minimum
[01:52:40.400] to be paid. So what you get is zero
[01:52:42.960] because for them it's classified.
[01:52:44.560] >> It's classified what they would need to
[01:52:46.080] pay you and that's been accepted across
[01:52:48.639] every fucking court that has come
[01:52:50.000] through.
[01:52:51.920] >> How do we advance?
[01:52:54.880] How do we advance as a society
[01:52:58.159] when advancement is compartmentalized?
[01:53:01.040] >> Well, it's that's again we're talking
[01:53:04.320] about half problems and whole problems.
[01:53:06.159] That's the the beginning of it. The
[01:53:09.760] other part of it is every single person
[01:53:12.080] on Senate Armed Service Committee and
[01:53:13.840] the House, you know, HIPS, just like
[01:53:16.080] SSCI, they know damn well what the
[01:53:18.159] Invention Secrecy Act is.
[01:53:20.960] You go to their own personal
[01:53:22.159] YouTubetubes. You can do it right now.
[01:53:24.239] listen to them speak. They've got on a
[01:53:26.880] suit, you know, American flag pin
[01:53:30.239] just talking nonstop about authoritarian
[01:53:33.920] governments that, you know, steal from
[01:53:36.159] their people and keep them, you know, in
[01:53:38.239] the poor. And it's like, if I was to ask
[01:53:39.760] you here today, you tell me what country
[01:53:42.560] this is, and I'll tell you what happens.
[01:53:45.040] They take what you have that's from your
[01:53:46.960] money and they threaten you with jail
[01:53:50.080] time and millions in fines to ruin you.
[01:53:53.920] And you can't tell anybody even the
[01:53:55.760] story about how you're getting screwed.
[01:53:57.440] Who the fuck says the United States of
[01:53:59.440] America? You might say China, you know,
[01:54:02.560] you might go Korea, this and that, and
[01:54:04.560] you you'd be right. Right. But it's
[01:54:06.639] happening here. And the problem is is
[01:54:08.320] this is one of the dirty problems. So,
[01:54:10.080] how do we answer that?
[01:54:12.560] We got to get shit out in sunlight, as
[01:54:14.239] they say, people. I mean, when's the
[01:54:16.239] last time you're around the water cooler
[01:54:17.679] at work and someone brought up the
[01:54:18.880] Invention Secrecy Act, right? It just
[01:54:20.800] does. It's not doesn't happen. It's
[01:54:22.320] hidden. doesn't happen. Um,
[01:54:28.480] it's
[01:54:31.119] kind of scares me in in theory and like
[01:54:35.040] just thinking about that because at any
[01:54:38.159] moment the next big thing because
[01:54:41.360] they're not going to they're
[01:54:44.080] they're not going to greenlight any
[01:54:47.280] alternative propulsion that puts their
[01:54:50.639] earnings and lifestyle at risk when they
[01:54:53.520] have investments into the oil and then
[01:54:57.599] are inside trading and have such a, you
[01:55:01.920] know, have made a career out of a job
[01:55:07.679] that was never supposed to be a career
[01:55:10.480] thing.
[01:55:11.679] >> You nailed it. So for people that don't
[01:55:13.360] know and want to do a little bit of
[01:55:14.560] research, one of the things that they
[01:55:16.239] really try to lock up with the invention
[01:55:18.000] secrecy act was solar panels and I'm
[01:55:20.400] sure the more beneficial ones they have
[01:55:23.119] is but so much had got out about it from
[01:55:25.119] other countries they couldn't. But what
[01:55:26.960] they were going to say is the ability to
[01:55:29.599] harness the sun into electricity
[01:55:33.280] is a defense advantage and now the rest
[01:55:36.080] of the world can't have it. You know,
[01:55:38.880] I'm not a tree hugging green energy guy,
[01:55:40.880] but it's like, give me a fucking break.
[01:55:42.480] Like, you know, that was going to be
[01:55:43.920] buried. And that's the process of how
[01:55:46.320] they think. You know, the other
[01:55:47.360] >> that almost worked
[01:55:48.560] >> damn well. And I guarantee what we have
[01:55:50.800] right now is nowhere near capable what
[01:55:52.800] the military is pulling from from solar
[01:55:55.040] panels, which is more of the answer the
[01:55:56.639] world needs. Elon Musk said um now again
[01:55:59.760] I'm not sure exactly if he's right but
[01:56:02.159] he said um on Joe Rogan the the Joe
[01:56:05.599] Rogan experienced that like like the
[01:56:08.639] small town
[01:56:11.360] like the size-wise if you filled it with
[01:56:13.920] solar panels could run the United States
[01:56:16.320] like for for three to five years uh B
[01:56:21.040] you know I'm not again I'm probably
[01:56:23.840] misquing a little bit but something that
[01:56:25.920] was like super reasonable
[01:56:27.440] And it was like, wait, why aren't we
[01:56:29.520] doing this? It's because they can't put
[01:56:31.840] a meter on things like that. And this is
[01:56:33.920] where it all began.
[01:56:35.280] >> You You got it. Because you know without
[01:56:37.199] getting into my life and some of the
[01:56:38.719] projects I've worked on you know I used
[01:56:41.040] to be involved in essentially a group
[01:56:43.360] that would do that where we go in and
[01:56:46.400] especially for you know groups of people
[01:56:49.199] as I'll word it who aren't doing real
[01:56:50.880] well or there's not jobs in this sort of
[01:56:53.119] environments
[01:56:54.960] find grants to put solar panels up in
[01:56:58.719] the field and you run all the lines and
[01:57:02.480] now they've got free energy
[01:57:05.360] for the amount of time that you know the
[01:57:07.040] life extended warranty of that like this
[01:57:09.040] shit does actually work. But do you
[01:57:11.119] think your electric company wants to
[01:57:12.719] knock out
[01:57:14.239] >> the industry that they have?
[01:57:16.239] >> No.
[01:57:16.560] >> And they're legally allowed to lobby
[01:57:19.360] >> against it
[01:57:20.080] >> so that you can control your electric
[01:57:21.760] bill. So it's multiple things where the
[01:57:25.199] United States advantages of being a free
[01:57:27.040] country is being taken advantage of from
[01:57:29.199] the calls coming from with inside.
[01:57:33.280] >> Spot on. Spot on. Um,
[01:57:37.840] as of a couple days ago, because I don't
[01:57:41.119] want to give an I don't want to give an
[01:57:42.400] exact time frame, but
[01:57:45.760] the beginning of a UFO files have have
[01:57:48.719] begun to be released. Uh, do you expect
[01:57:53.760] anything to happen? Uh, do you expect
[01:57:57.440] that any disclosure will occur um over
[01:58:02.400] the next 30 to 90 days? like people like
[01:58:04.880] David Aasha are saying.
[01:58:08.000] >> So no, however, my opinion will vary.
[01:58:12.800] Um, and the reason it varies is because,
[01:58:15.679] you know, I have a little bit of
[01:58:17.040] knowledge on it. Um, again, I can't go
[01:58:20.560] into the details, but you know, I'm
[01:58:23.040] still headed to DC. I'm actually not a,
[01:58:26.960] you know, I haven't been black ballalled
[01:58:28.320] or blacklisted from the people that
[01:58:30.639] really matter
[01:58:32.080] >> um, in these industries. Now, it doesn't
[01:58:33.840] mean that we've got a deal worked out
[01:58:35.199] yet, but they still have to talk to me.
[01:58:38.480] And so, I do have various information.
[01:58:40.480] And from what I've been told is that one
[01:58:43.760] of the next rounds that comes out is
[01:58:45.920] going to deal more with stories. So,
[01:58:48.639] rather than getting the visual of this,
[01:58:52.000] now you're going to get a story of
[01:58:53.599] someone's been abducted in Kansas sort
[01:58:56.639] of thing. And what my fear is is that
[01:58:59.280] just like the photos, everybody's going
[01:59:01.119] to jump on that and say, "Well, it came
[01:59:03.280] from the FBI files, it came from NASA.
[01:59:05.679] It must be true, right?"
[01:59:08.400] >> When it's not. It's just a record. So, I
[01:59:10.880] believe the stories are coming. My other
[01:59:13.440] worry is such as the video of the
[01:59:16.800] Hellcat that hit the UAP and undetected,
[01:59:20.159] which looking at the video, that's not
[01:59:22.239] what happened.
[01:59:24.320] And
[01:59:27.199] I've seen that video before. I've I've
[01:59:29.440] covered that a little bit before. That
[01:59:31.199] video is super
[01:59:32.400] >> You saw it before it was released in the
[01:59:35.360] congressional hearing.
[01:59:36.880] >> That video, so people understand was
[01:59:39.920] shopped around to multiple people.
[01:59:42.159] Burles said it was dead dropped. I don't
[01:59:44.320] know what that means exactly, but
[01:59:45.679] >> dead dropped just means that
[01:59:47.119] >> No, no, no. how it was dead dropped to
[01:59:49.119] him because I'll explain how it became
[01:59:51.679] to me and others. And how that worked is
[01:59:54.320] everybody has messaging service, signal,
[01:59:57.760] telegram, whatever it may be. And you
[02:00:00.560] don't actually have to send your phone
[02:00:02.560] number, right? So I could text you and
[02:00:04.719] all you know is whatever name I put in
[02:00:06.560] there. Maybe I'm Bob
[02:00:08.960] and you get something from me and then I
[02:00:10.960] delete my account and now you've got a
[02:00:13.119] video of something and Bob's long gone
[02:00:15.760] and there's no way to track down Bob. So
[02:00:19.040] >> I had something similar happen to me.
[02:00:20.800] >> That's how it came to me.
[02:00:23.119] >> Someone threatened me and then just
[02:00:24.800] disappeared out of my inbox.
[02:00:26.320] >> Right. So and I don't know if that's
[02:00:27.520] what he means. I would hope to God that
[02:00:29.119] someone at the house can't dead drop
[02:00:30.639] something under your door like anthrax
[02:00:32.560] and nobody picks it up on security. But
[02:00:35.360] somehow he got a hold of it. Right?
[02:00:37.440] Other people, I'm not going to say their
[02:00:39.040] names, but what you have to ask yourself
[02:00:41.520] is who would have my phone number,
[02:00:45.199] Berles's phone number, and some
[02:00:47.040] committee members in both the House and
[02:00:48.960] Senate in order to shop a video that is
[02:00:51.679] oftent times longer in duration or a
[02:00:55.199] different cut.
[02:00:57.440] >> A different cut.
[02:00:58.880] >> A different cut. So, you see it hit and
[02:01:03.040] you don't know what happened. It's got
[02:01:04.239] some tailings.
[02:01:06.239] somebody else sees it and it goes down.
[02:01:10.639] >> What goes
[02:01:12.239] >> the alleged UAP, which is obviously not
[02:01:14.639] a UAP. So then that makes it a video
[02:01:16.960] that and we've had people kind of walk
[02:01:19.440] through this, right? Maybe hit a balloon
[02:01:20.960] and it crashed. Maybe it's this and
[02:01:22.320] that. So now you've propped up a video
[02:01:25.119] and they've kind of set you up to put
[02:01:27.760] this out and then they can always hold
[02:01:30.560] that back and be like, "Well, now that
[02:01:31.840] it's got all this hype, let's release a
[02:01:33.520] video that shows something different
[02:01:35.440] because they want to discredit you." So
[02:01:37.599] I'm setting that up to say when the
[02:01:40.800] videos come because we're hearing about
[02:01:42.560] them, some of them are going to blow our
[02:01:43.920] mind and some of them are going to, you
[02:01:46.080] know, change our view of the world.
[02:01:48.880] Don't do narrative control.
[02:01:51.679] You got to really analyze these for
[02:01:53.440] yourself. And again, that's why I say,
[02:01:56.080] do I think disclosure is coming? No, not
[02:01:58.000] from this. What we need to see is arrows
[02:02:01.599] 2 or 3% that they couldn't solve because
[02:02:04.400] that's already went through an analysis.
[02:02:06.239] We don't need to see things that appear
[02:02:07.760] to be just from a folder that was never
[02:02:09.520] analyzed
[02:02:11.440] thrown on the judge's desk. Right.
[02:02:13.199] >> Right. Right. Right. I Yeah. Totally. I
[02:02:16.639] totally agree with that. Um,
[02:02:20.880] getting into some of the material
[02:02:27.280] tell me if you can't, but
[02:02:32.639] after being after analyzing it,
[02:02:36.560] do you believe that this material was
[02:02:38.800] made on this planet? It comes from
[02:02:41.599] earthly material,
[02:02:43.760] meaning there's only so many elements we
[02:02:46.719] have, right? So, some of the stories
[02:02:49.040] that others have said where it's not on
[02:02:50.560] the periodic table, I know nothing about
[02:02:52.560] that. What I can tell you is definitely
[02:02:54.800] can pull everything you need on a raw
[02:02:57.520] format from the ground. You know, the
[02:03:00.000] trick really isn't is this idea of you
[02:03:02.320] have to have a certain material from
[02:03:03.520] another planet. It's what it goes
[02:03:05.119] through in manufacturing that makes it
[02:03:07.360] what it is. That's the specialty. Okay,
[02:03:09.920] next question.
[02:03:14.159] The isotope ratios, do they match the
[02:03:18.400] manufacturing process of this world?
[02:03:22.400] >> Yes. However, again, you're getting into
[02:03:25.360] things where
[02:03:27.920] when you get to advanced technology,
[02:03:31.760] just like with physics, what do we keep
[02:03:33.199] hearing? It defies physics. We're
[02:03:35.040] looking at the past and not the future.
[02:03:37.199] So when you think of the forefront of
[02:03:38.639] technology,
[02:03:42.080] the idea that something wouldn't match
[02:03:43.760] that with isotopes would almost leave
[02:03:46.320] more credence to this is the top level
[02:03:48.080] of what we have hidden that's 100 years
[02:03:49.679] ahead, not necessarily
[02:03:52.480] aliens made it in their their warehouse.
[02:03:54.400] So that these are the problems I have
[02:03:55.599] with these questions. What I can tell
[02:03:56.880] you is
[02:03:58.560] we went through all this with SSCI,
[02:04:00.560] right? Because I only talked to Arrow
[02:04:02.719] very briefly. They were mainly covering
[02:04:04.320] the, you know, the international
[02:04:05.840] threats, this, that, I had a Dropbox, I
[02:04:08.880] had a number, I had turned stuff over
[02:04:10.239] to, right? Followed all that. And at the
[02:04:12.639] same time, SSCI is really the one that
[02:04:14.719] I'm dealing with because those two
[02:04:16.000] groups hated each other.
[02:04:17.360] >> And so SSCI is the skiff. I keep going
[02:04:19.679] back in and then they call and get
[02:04:21.040] things verified. So at S SCI, we work
[02:04:24.800] through this. And what it came down to
[02:04:26.480] is,
[02:04:28.000] okay, well, next step, because we'll use
[02:04:29.760] Tim Phillips words, right? Because
[02:04:31.440] again, ITAR has an umbrella. People
[02:04:33.840] don't understand this. When they went to
[02:04:35.520] court, got brought to court, one of the
[02:04:37.119] questions for the Department of State
[02:04:38.480] was what is the definition of what you
[02:04:41.440] cover and not cover? Because they just
[02:04:43.440] try to reach out to someone and be like,
[02:04:44.960] "Oh, you made an ITAR violation. You're
[02:04:47.119] in deep shit." And in court, they said
[02:04:50.159] they couldn't actually identify what was
[02:04:53.199] or what wasn't covered. It was their
[02:04:55.040] terminology that wasn't this evergoing
[02:04:57.360] umbrella. So, in other words, if they
[02:04:58.800] want to fucking pin on you, they can.
[02:05:01.679] So, I try to speak with what's been
[02:05:03.280] released. Tim Phillips said, "I got
[02:05:05.840] photos and I got material, right?
[02:05:08.560] Concentrate on the photos." If you can
[02:05:12.000] have any idea of who SSCI staff, so I'm
[02:05:14.880] not going to go into it. You got all the
[02:05:16.639] pros from all the agencies, including
[02:05:18.639] NGA, right? You've got everybody, and
[02:05:20.639] you've got a direct link over there to
[02:05:23.520] call and verify things. And so with
[02:05:26.320] experts, you have to turn in metadata
[02:05:28.800] obviously on the original device, right?
[02:05:31.760] All these things have to be checked and
[02:05:34.400] there's a reason you keep going in and
[02:05:35.840] in and in.
[02:05:38.239] So again, those are Tim Phillips words.
[02:05:41.040] What ended up happening is that
[02:05:45.760] they were using my case to see if Arrow
[02:05:48.719] was telling them the truth.
[02:05:52.480] So they would release some data to them
[02:05:55.040] and then essentially ask is Arrow
[02:05:56.960] incompetent or are they lying?
[02:06:00.239] Because we know this is real. We've
[02:06:02.159] verified it's real. But when we ask
[02:06:04.080] Arrow, Arrow tells us some of the stuff
[02:06:05.679] that Tim Phillips has tried to twist in
[02:06:07.440] this story, right? So
[02:06:10.400] >> interesting.
[02:06:11.119] >> Where am I going with all this? Well,
[02:06:14.159] there are secrets
[02:06:16.480] and why I'm not necessarily a deep state
[02:06:19.199] guy.
[02:06:21.040] The deep state's fucking there right
[02:06:23.360] now. I'm not saying they're keeping
[02:06:24.639] aliens from us, but everything
[02:06:26.400] everybody's talked about in the way
[02:06:27.760] these secrets are kept is true. It's
[02:06:30.159] just what is the secret?
[02:06:33.280] >> What is the secret?
[02:06:34.639] >> The material, because that was the
[02:06:36.880] original question here,
[02:06:39.119] is on record at SSCI
[02:06:42.239] and that was one of their hot points.
[02:06:44.480] And the reason it was is because even if
[02:06:47.760] you can prove a picture is real with
[02:06:49.280] metadata and everything else, if they
[02:06:51.679] say it's not ours,
[02:06:54.639] then you don't know. So then what's
[02:06:56.320] next? Now, I'm not going to go too far
[02:06:57.760] into the story, but we came to the
[02:06:59.360] conclusion that what was next was a data
[02:07:02.880] link because you couldn't you couldn't
[02:07:05.679] argue that you pull the data link and
[02:07:07.520] they go and pull those files or they
[02:07:08.960] won't pull the files for you. That
[02:07:11.040] you're busted, right?
[02:07:13.760] and some other particular items they
[02:07:16.639] wanted to look at like things like let's
[02:07:18.320] look at what's in this and let's go back
[02:07:19.920] and look at all the previous stealth
[02:07:21.360] codings and see if there's any
[02:07:22.560] similarities.
[02:07:24.719] Right. So, this has all went through an
[02:07:26.800] actual process.
[02:07:28.159] >> Wow.
[02:07:28.880] >> Um and it really is who's lying to who.
[02:07:34.400] There's no cohesive unit that's
[02:07:36.079] investigating this and people have to
[02:07:37.920] remember that. test before you throw
[02:07:39.360] even the wild card of the house into
[02:07:41.520] this.
[02:07:42.239] >> Right. Right.
[02:07:43.360] >> At the top level, this is what's going
[02:07:45.040] on.
[02:07:47.760] >> Doesn't give me solace for some reason.
[02:07:51.119] It gives me
[02:07:53.440] a bit of be going to be honest. It gives
[02:07:56.320] it makes me a little unsettled.
[02:07:58.079] >> You asked me if I thought disclosure was
[02:08:00.239] coming. Now you see why I say it's sure
[02:08:02.639] the hell not going to be released or
[02:08:04.079] come from the government. It just
[02:08:08.239] You said Roswell you didn't think
[02:08:09.760] happened.
[02:08:10.960] >> Something happened just not the
[02:08:12.320] spacecraft.
[02:08:13.280] >> What do you So like you know the
[02:08:15.280] material they talked about that like
[02:08:17.679] crumpled up.
[02:08:18.639] >> I've heard it but again you know and
[02:08:20.639] I've seen the picture but is that
[02:08:23.520] because you know it's it's one of them
[02:08:25.199] things where there's not evidence. You
[02:08:26.800] say oh well they they've hid that or
[02:08:28.800] distorted it. But in reality what would
[02:08:30.480] you do? Well you would hide it or
[02:08:32.159] distort it. But for me,
[02:08:34.960] because a lot of people don't
[02:08:36.079] understand, you know, some of the things
[02:08:37.520] that we told them are coming and that
[02:08:39.119] have happened and most people don't know
[02:08:40.639] about them and I can't talk about them
[02:08:42.079] here, but let's just go back to the
[02:08:43.360] Chinese spy balloons, right?
[02:08:46.560] And this is one of the things I told
[02:08:47.840] them. If anyone comes in and briefs you
[02:08:49.360] on that and they say surveillance, throw
[02:08:51.199] them out of the fucking room because
[02:08:52.800] anytime they say that after they're
[02:08:54.239] always like, but I don't know why
[02:08:55.440] because they got satellites and they
[02:08:57.040] got, you know, people on the ground
[02:08:58.800] because that's not it. You have to study
[02:09:01.760] the psychological warfare and what the
[02:09:04.560] advantage is, right? So back, you know,
[02:09:08.719] world wars was going on and you get into
[02:09:11.040] Roswell, one of the things that Japan
[02:09:14.159] was going to do was send incinerary
[02:09:16.159] balloons, which if it wasn't for the
[02:09:18.400] Chinese spy balloon would sound like a
[02:09:19.920] ridiculous half-ass plan, but now people
[02:09:22.239] understand how jet streams really
[02:09:24.239] >> really function. And the plan was they
[02:09:26.480] were going to send so many of them they
[02:09:28.639] fall into, you know, Yellowstone forest
[02:09:30.880] fires cities
[02:09:31.920] >> and just engulf the country.
[02:09:33.360] >> And for anybody, especially those in
[02:09:34.639] California that know, you can't fucking
[02:09:36.079] put the fire out. So what that says is
[02:09:38.159] you're being attacked in your own
[02:09:41.599] borders. And it's not because there's
[02:09:43.440] balloons. You just think they're over
[02:09:45.119] here on your property. So what do you
[02:09:46.800] say? You say, "Look, sorry such and such
[02:09:49.920] country, but we're getting the shit beat
[02:09:51.920] out of us." you pull all of our soldiers
[02:09:54.800] back here, which is what the plan. So
[02:09:56.480] now what happens in World War II if the
[02:09:58.400] US brings everybody back because the
[02:10:00.079] fucking United States is on fire and
[02:10:01.920] we're being attacked from within.
[02:10:03.199] >> The Nazis take over Europe.
[02:10:04.719] >> It doesn't look good. So this is still
[02:10:06.960] something to this day that is used. And
[02:10:10.480] so what happened with the Chinese spy
[02:10:12.159] balloon? You go back and look, every
[02:10:14.239] single politician turned on the other
[02:10:16.000] group. Every Republican said it was a
[02:10:18.239] Democrat's fault. The Democrat says
[02:10:19.840] Republican's fault. Shoot them down.
[02:10:21.840] What the fuck's going on? You know, all
[02:10:23.440] hell broke loose exactly like they
[02:10:25.920] wanted to fucking see. That was the
[02:10:28.079] point of
[02:10:29.119] >> the balloons.
[02:10:29.760] >> The balloons. So, what's going to
[02:10:31.920] happen?
[02:10:32.239] >> It wasn't to collect data from the
[02:10:33.920] ground. It was to collect response
[02:10:36.880] >> right now.
[02:10:38.800] Again, if China jumps into Taiwan and we
[02:10:42.800] get involved,
[02:10:45.360] the war won't be in Taiwan. That's not
[02:10:47.520] how they'll fight the United States.
[02:10:49.679] What do we know about drones over
[02:10:51.119] sensitive sites in the United States and
[02:10:53.440] military bases? That's the signal. We
[02:10:56.719] fucking got you. And what are you going
[02:10:59.360] to have to do with all your equipment
[02:11:00.639] and your warships, right? Where the
[02:11:03.199] where do they come from? Off the coast,
[02:11:04.639] right? And Langley, you have to bring
[02:11:05.920] all that shit back here and then they go
[02:11:07.520] walk right into Taiwan and win.
[02:11:09.920] >> This is the true definition of the 3D
[02:11:12.239] chess. But people just want to think so
[02:11:14.719] simple about how this all progresses.
[02:11:17.280] But everything has a reason. So on the
[02:11:19.280] Roswell, I'm still in the book that it
[02:11:22.000] was
[02:11:23.599] essentially a detection balloon for
[02:11:26.159] looking, which is what the plan was. So
[02:11:28.079] you could detect the balloons coming
[02:11:29.440] from Japan through the jetreams that
[02:11:31.360] crashed.
[02:11:32.159] >> Understood.
[02:11:32.960] >> Because it makes more sense to me
[02:11:34.400] because I don't have ability to go back
[02:11:36.159] to Roswell in a time machine and get the
[02:11:38.800] truth. And that's my problem with a lot
[02:11:40.159] of people's stories.
[02:11:43.280] >> Getting into a little bit of uh more
[02:11:45.040] speculative stuff here. Now that we've,
[02:11:49.520] you know, covered a lot of the black and
[02:11:52.000] white of what you've gone through, has
[02:11:54.960] it opened up your mind in the sense that
[02:11:58.880] like, do you believe that the phenomena
[02:12:01.520] is real?
[02:12:04.400] So, like I said, I'm always an open
[02:12:06.480] mind. One of the recent things that
[02:12:10.400] has been uh dis uh it's not a discovery
[02:12:13.440] but that my knowledge of base has come
[02:12:15.360] into is things are so poor right now
[02:12:20.079] agencies or military branches especially
[02:12:23.840] within the funding if someone comes to
[02:12:25.920] them with the dreaded UAP I seen a UAP
[02:12:29.360] or I've got something they call me
[02:12:33.199] and they say can you talk to this guy
[02:12:34.880] who's got this company Right. And it's
[02:12:38.560] not because some random person said
[02:12:40.159] that. There's always some legitimacy of
[02:12:42.079] why. I mean, it's already kind of been
[02:12:43.520] through the the filter of is this does
[02:12:46.000] this guy look real or not? And
[02:12:49.760] one of the questions I've been asked by
[02:12:51.280] a lot of people is about radiation. And
[02:12:53.599] I always tell them like no. Such as the
[02:12:55.760] story I was talking about. There's no
[02:12:57.199] there's no radiation there. And they've
[02:12:58.719] always brought that up like that's the
[02:13:00.159] big defining
[02:13:02.239] moment. So, this particular technology
[02:13:04.320] that I went down and looked at for this
[02:13:06.480] company is, and I don't I'm not going to
[02:13:10.000] get into too much, but basically,
[02:13:13.599] you have
[02:13:15.920] radiation in the sky
[02:13:18.560] that is able to be actually with
[02:13:21.119] scientific instruments, the results
[02:13:23.920] pulled down that says it's there. You
[02:13:25.760] can't argue that skies like for instance
[02:13:29.440] over Kansas or Missouri or
[02:13:31.360] Massachusetts, you can't have that sort
[02:13:33.840] of radiation
[02:13:36.400] spike to the point where these
[02:13:39.119] particular individuals
[02:13:41.520] think that it's a craft.
[02:13:44.000] Now, their equipment isn't set up like
[02:13:46.320] mine is to, you know, pull that sort of
[02:13:49.360] data,
[02:13:50.639] >> right? But they they measure the
[02:13:52.239] radiation spikes. And so the radiation
[02:13:54.400] spike say it's true. So how do I look at
[02:13:56.320] that? I say a, we got to figure out what
[02:13:58.239] the fuck it is anyway,
[02:13:59.679] >> right?
[02:14:00.400] >> Because how they were doing it and what
[02:14:02.079] that byproduct may be, someone else is
[02:14:04.400] going to figure it out. And then you
[02:14:05.599] don't have to send a nuke over
[02:14:08.320] and the golden dumpster, the hell going
[02:14:09.840] to pick something up that's launched
[02:14:11.440] from the ground 50 foot up by a foreign
[02:14:13.199] national.
[02:14:14.400] >> And now we've all got radiation which
[02:14:16.159] has a bit of a shelf life in your water
[02:14:18.960] system and things. So,
[02:14:20.639] >> with that said, that's the first time
[02:14:22.480] I've seen verifiable information and
[02:14:25.040] data that says there is that
[02:14:27.199] possibility. And that's one of the
[02:14:28.560] things I want to go and look at because
[02:14:31.920] I still have an open mind, but people
[02:14:34.320] don't like to hear it. Unless you
[02:14:36.719] finance this, it doesn't go because when
[02:14:39.840] I put stuff up and you put stuff up for
[02:14:43.280] radiation spikes, that's not the same
[02:14:45.280] fucking drone.
[02:14:47.840] It's going to be difficult to find
[02:14:50.079] something to survive. I I've we figured
[02:14:52.320] out a way to do it, but I'm just saying
[02:14:53.840] like people need to focus.
[02:14:55.520] >> It's not like you can line it in lead.
[02:14:57.119] It's
[02:14:57.599] >> Yeah. Right. Right. And then you got to
[02:14:59.040] still be able to get the data. So, what
[02:15:00.400] good would it be anyway if it was in a
[02:15:01.679] casing? So, these are the things that
[02:15:04.239] I'm trying to find out and I'm trying to
[02:15:06.239] move forward on. But again,
[02:15:09.440] even the representatives that could help
[02:15:11.840] me go forward on this with funding are
[02:15:14.639] all really centered around this idea of
[02:15:17.119] if it doesn't have to do with psionics,
[02:15:19.760] NHI or Orbs, or any of the local
[02:15:22.079] celebrities,
[02:15:23.599] they don't want to hear about it. And
[02:15:25.040] it's like, start with the lowhanging
[02:15:27.040] fruit, right? Instead of just saying
[02:15:29.920] this and that, let's start at the drones
[02:15:31.599] that are over military bases. Let's work
[02:15:33.440] our way up. I fucking promise you, you
[02:15:35.280] will get to what's whatever's in the
[02:15:37.119] sky.
[02:15:37.920] >> Why do you think they don't go after
[02:15:40.400] cases like Bob Salah
[02:15:43.760] or Dave Shindley or Mario Woods or
[02:15:49.360] uh the Luring Air Force Base? Why do you
[02:15:51.760] think why do you think they don't
[02:15:54.719] seem to have an interest in f finding
[02:15:57.679] out what's shutting our nuclear weapons
[02:16:00.320] off or turning them on or just being
[02:16:05.440] breaching the facility? Um you talk your
[02:16:08.320] case really reminds me of vendles.
[02:16:10.880] >> Okay. Yeah, I know. Forest, right?
[02:16:12.880] Right.
[02:16:13.760] >> Your case sounds a lot like that where
[02:16:15.920] it's a the light, right? And then
[02:16:18.719] there's a craft inside of that light
[02:16:20.719] that that can be seen and it's and it
[02:16:23.119] then you know but I'm not saying that
[02:16:25.840] that's exactly what it was. I'm just
[02:16:27.040] drawing
[02:16:28.320] >> connection here. But why do you think
[02:16:30.480] but RAF Bentwaters was one of the most
[02:16:33.280] strategic uh bases for the the US um
[02:16:39.519] during the the cold war. So there was
[02:16:42.240] absolutely nuclear weapons at that at
[02:16:44.319] that facility. These things are showing
[02:16:47.200] the ability to interact with our most
[02:16:50.800] sensitive facilities and weaponry. If
[02:16:54.240] that's not a national security threat,
[02:16:56.000] what is?
[02:16:57.439] >> Well, and I don't know all the stories.
[02:16:59.760] I know some of them. And so, in fairness
[02:17:01.840] to them, let me kind of do this as a as
[02:17:05.040] everybody's just John Doe here.
[02:17:07.040] >> Yeah.
[02:17:07.439] >> Right.
[02:17:09.679] take any of those cases and I say to
[02:17:12.160] you, "Okay, Ty, show me the proof." And
[02:17:16.319] I'm not saying I don't listen to them or
[02:17:18.000] believe them. I'm just saying as it
[02:17:20.240] applies to the government, a story
[02:17:23.040] doesn't mean anything. Even if you had a
[02:17:25.679] photo of a blob or, you know, an orb and
[02:17:28.479] you're claiming it did this doesn't mean
[02:17:30.479] anything. And like we're going to see
[02:17:32.559] even an orb that shoots off and this
[02:17:34.960] this and that they feel free to release.
[02:17:38.160] You really got to bring the fucking
[02:17:40.080] goods.
[02:17:41.679] There's one video that comes to mind.
[02:17:44.880] And if this came out, I would love to
[02:17:47.679] see your reaction to it because this guy
[02:17:50.000] named um Robert uh Jacobs, he was
[02:17:56.479] he
[02:17:57.840] >> essentially what he did was they would
[02:18:01.359] shoot up the missile uh the rocket.
[02:18:05.040] >> Okay.
[02:18:05.359] >> The the dummy nuclear warhead. Yeah. So
[02:18:07.599] I think it was an Atlas at the time. And
[02:18:11.040] if that's correct, if that sounds right,
[02:18:14.000] um they shot the missile up and he was
[02:18:17.200] the one responsible for videotaping it.
[02:18:19.920] >> Okay.
[02:18:20.319] >> Or recording it.
[02:18:22.000] >> And he says that the warhead got up into
[02:18:25.599] the, you know, where it was supposed to
[02:18:27.519] be or, you know, the general vicinity.
[02:18:29.920] And then this craft just flies into
[02:18:32.160] frame. And he says that, you know, the
[02:18:36.240] the dummy warhead is represented by my
[02:18:38.160] thumb. The UF, this this craft is
[02:18:40.319] represented by a finger. Flies in,
[02:18:42.319] shoots a beam into the top, flies, then
[02:18:45.200] like moves up, shoots another beam,
[02:18:47.760] moves over, shoots another beam, and
[02:18:50.000] then moves over, hits it again, and then
[02:18:52.080] the dummy war tumbles out of the sky.
[02:18:55.120] The next day, he's called in
[02:18:57.599] >> by the senior command, and they ask him,
[02:19:00.479] "Were you guys messing around?"
[02:19:03.280] and they showed him the footage of this
[02:19:06.240] craft entering frame and then exiting
[02:19:08.319] the same way it entered. So, showing
[02:19:11.679] clear intelligent control, you know, in
[02:19:15.280] the in the in the late 70s, um, shooting
[02:19:18.639] a dummy warhead out of the sky. A video
[02:19:20.880] like that, I think, do you think that
[02:19:22.960] could do, you know, maybe a little bit
[02:19:25.920] more than what we're seeing?
[02:19:27.040] >> There's a long list of videos where I
[02:19:29.040] say, "Yeah, if you could get it." And
[02:19:30.800] then there's the problem. know you go
[02:19:32.559] back to my story right even if you bring
[02:19:35.120] the goods with metadata then they say
[02:19:37.679] it's not ours right and then you have to
[02:19:40.639] bring the data link and you work on and
[02:19:42.240] on on until you can really fucking pin
[02:19:44.559] them on something
[02:19:47.120] they've got a system as they've ran
[02:19:49.280] before to either come after you right
[02:19:52.960] make people not listen to you you're
[02:19:54.479] crazy not safe to have around your
[02:19:56.000] family to go against your story I mean
[02:19:58.880] let's think of one more reason like the
[02:20:00.399] Nimmits encounter Right. Guess what? The
[02:20:02.960] radar's gone.
[02:20:05.840] You got stories. Now, how many years has
[02:20:07.840] it been? 20 plus. It's fading off. This
[02:20:11.439] is the fucking system. So, if there's a
[02:20:13.760] video, that's the only thing from that
[02:20:16.319] story. Now, again, I because I don't
[02:20:17.760] know the people or anything else. This
[02:20:18.880] isn't me going after them.
[02:20:20.880] >> This isn't me saying they're lying. I'm
[02:20:22.720] just saying this is the way the system
[02:20:25.200] works where they're just going to try
[02:20:27.280] and date you out of the public eye.
[02:20:31.840] And if you don't have the proof,
[02:20:34.960] you got nothing. Again, it's not that
[02:20:36.720] the story couldn't be true. I'm just
[02:20:38.399] saying when you verse the government,
[02:20:40.640] it's a different fucking story trying to
[02:20:42.800] get their secrets out.
[02:20:45.200] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. I couldn't Is
[02:20:48.960] there anything
[02:20:51.520] Is there anything else that you can
[02:20:53.120] share that you know that would
[02:20:58.319] help the community? uh in terms of you
[02:21:02.960] know
[02:21:05.760] what to do if they experience something
[02:21:07.760] like you have.
[02:21:09.920] >> Right. So this is this is a really good
[02:21:12.399] thing to point out because again we've
[02:21:15.439] been talking through this and you know
[02:21:17.760] different people when I talk to might
[02:21:19.359] say oh I would have panicked or oh I
[02:21:21.040] would have done this. You have to turn
[02:21:23.359] into a data collection person.
[02:21:26.319] You need to know where you're standing
[02:21:28.960] when it happens. All right? Doesn't have
[02:21:32.000] to be exact, but you you if you know the
[02:21:34.160] area, especially, you'll know I was on
[02:21:35.840] this corner about halfway into this
[02:21:37.439] field. Take note of that. What time it
[02:21:40.640] is is vitally important because if you
[02:21:43.680] don't know satellites, they're fucking
[02:21:45.359] fast. Okay? Two or three minutes off and
[02:21:48.000] try and use your phone, which should be
[02:21:50.000] generally correct versus
[02:21:53.040] a car clock or something. Right. Right?
[02:21:56.880] >> You got to get all the data you can.
[02:21:58.880] Now, here's the sad part. If you only
[02:22:01.040] see a light that goes across the sky,
[02:22:03.200] even if it does something that it
[02:22:04.479] shouldn't be able to do, you got
[02:22:06.640] nothing. Even with the date and the
[02:22:08.240] time, you're most likely never going to
[02:22:11.600] be able to get a video of it or your
[02:22:13.439] phone's not going to want to pick it up.
[02:22:15.680] These are the challenges you should
[02:22:17.200] think about ahead of time. So, what's
[02:22:19.680] more valuable? You kind of got to say
[02:22:21.280] that in your head. What's more valuable
[02:22:23.200] spending my time or my eyes on versus
[02:22:25.840] saying, "Oh shit, you know, I pulled my
[02:22:28.319] phone out and I was trying to adjust it
[02:22:29.680] and it was a blurry and people were
[02:22:30.960] saying, well, what else is going around?
[02:22:32.399] Did you look anywhere else in the sky?
[02:22:33.840] Was you know, I mean, like this is you
[02:22:35.439] didn't check the time because you're
[02:22:36.560] trying to get a video. Granted, it
[02:22:37.760] should be time on it." So, it's a
[02:22:40.240] percase basis, but and I mean, I'm not
[02:22:43.600] trying to uh be the Debbie Downer here,
[02:22:45.680] but
[02:22:46.560] >> if that's all you got, including with
[02:22:48.880] Arrow, you don't got a fucking thing.
[02:22:50.720] It's just another story. Yeah. Again,
[02:22:52.399] it's just another bad example of nothing
[02:22:54.800] that can be
[02:22:55.280] >> you got I'm not saying it didn't affect
[02:22:56.800] your life. If you've seen something, you
[02:22:59.040] got visited in the middle of the night.
[02:23:01.040] People will usually tell me stories and
[02:23:02.880] say, you know, I know this sounds crazy
[02:23:05.840] or if I wasn't you, I'd never believe
[02:23:07.200] it. And I'm like, "Yeah, you just
[02:23:08.720] fucking said what the public is going to
[02:23:11.439] think." And then if you tell it to me
[02:23:13.680] whenever I hear a story or I participate
[02:23:15.680] in spaces I mean I try to be a pretty uh
[02:23:19.439] involved don't shy away from you know
[02:23:21.439] speaking to people right is like was
[02:23:24.160] there any data in this I could use so
[02:23:26.160] you spend two hours on a spaces tell me
[02:23:28.080] about all this stuff I don't have the
[02:23:29.439] location I don't have the data I don't
[02:23:31.040] have the time there's no real
[02:23:33.040] information I can go back and look at or
[02:23:34.720] try and get verified
[02:23:36.399] >> you have a story it affected your life I
[02:23:38.720] respect that but overall to the movement
[02:23:41.520] you don't have a fucking thing.
[02:23:44.720] >> It's a harsh reality, but I think
[02:23:46.960] >> I'm being Yeah, I'm being harsh today so
[02:23:49.200] people understand this because you don't
[02:23:50.800] move forward with stories is where I'm
[02:23:52.399] going with this
[02:23:53.200] >> 100%.
[02:23:54.000] >> And we've kind of learned that from some
[02:23:55.439] of the hearings. So, not everybody, but
[02:23:58.640] >> it's not I'm not saying they're lying.
[02:24:00.000] >> Decent point,
[02:24:00.720] >> but you got to fucking bring more than
[02:24:02.800] what you
[02:24:03.200] >> got. Um, absolutely. And what do you
[02:24:08.080] make of like um
[02:24:10.640] some of these
[02:24:12.800] politicians and representatives of
[02:24:17.439] whether it's private companies uh in and
[02:24:22.160] uh stuff like that just
[02:24:23.760] military-industrial complex. What do you
[02:24:25.600] make of some of these people coming out
[02:24:27.920] against
[02:24:30.720] investigating UAPs because they think
[02:24:33.439] it's demonic or angels and demons and we
[02:24:36.960] shouldn't be dabbling with that? What
[02:24:40.160] >> What do you What do you make of of of
[02:24:42.640] them turning around like that? We need
[02:24:44.560] them to be the ones to push this
[02:24:45.840] through, not to turn around and try to
[02:24:48.399] be the experts.
[02:24:49.359] >> Yeah.
[02:24:49.840] >> Right. Yet they seem to have positioned
[02:24:52.240] themselves as all of a sudden the
[02:24:54.240] experts now and they're saying, you
[02:24:56.720] know, it's demons. Our vice president
[02:24:59.520] came out and said he thought UFOs were
[02:25:01.120] demonic.
[02:25:02.640] Like come on.
[02:25:05.359] So because there's a good example that
[02:25:07.680] just happened. I'm going to point to a
[02:25:10.160] little bit and that was with the
[02:25:12.080] preachers that just came out and said
[02:25:13.920] they were on a conference call and they
[02:25:16.720] heard all this information. It's
[02:25:18.399] >> a good example. I'm not going to get
[02:25:19.680] into who said what or what I believe,
[02:25:21.439] but what I will say is, and let's let's
[02:25:24.080] go ahead and torch the place here. If I
[02:25:27.120] say to you on angels and demons and I
[02:25:29.439] say, "What's the evidence?" Right? I I'm
[02:25:31.760] not talking about personal stories or
[02:25:33.600] you seen something and you had people
[02:25:35.040] with you, right? The studios had this,
[02:25:37.680] had that.
[02:25:38.720] >> You're talking about like what video
[02:25:41.760] >> What proof do you have for Angels of
[02:25:43.040] Demons? You can have proof that
[02:25:44.319] something happened, but you got to
[02:25:45.600] convince someone. What would you bring
[02:25:47.040] to the government that would be valid?
[02:25:49.520] And unfortunately, they wouldn't take
[02:25:50.800] that just like they won't of whatot like
[02:25:53.600] you've been through already. They come
[02:25:54.960] up with maybe this happened because you
[02:25:56.720] know,
[02:25:56.880] >> but don't you find it weird that they
[02:25:58.640] make you swear on a Bible?
[02:26:01.600] >> Well, this is kind of where I'm going
[02:26:03.200] with this. So, now we jump into, you
[02:26:06.000] know, the point of that was is you don't
[02:26:07.920] have anything other than belief. Doesn't
[02:26:10.240] mean it didn't happen. I'm saying what
[02:26:11.920] to present cuz you know again there's
[02:26:14.640] always someone that will say well there
[02:26:16.000] was too much right you know it too much
[02:26:17.680] pressure on the screw right you that's
[02:26:20.000] the issue here so
[02:26:22.640] that happened to me
[02:26:23.680] >> right let's let's kind of go through now
[02:26:25.920] church which is where we're going to
[02:26:27.040] torch the place
[02:26:29.600] what evidence do we have you pick the
[02:26:31.840] god because there's more than one of any
[02:26:35.200] religion
[02:26:36.880] of proof okay now again I'm not going to
[02:26:39.920] go into different religions legends, but
[02:26:41.840] like you get into things.
[02:26:44.000] >> They're all remarkably similar
[02:26:44.960] >> and it's it's remarkably similar, but
[02:26:47.200] they're also not just the sky. It's the
[02:26:49.040] angle where it's like there was this God
[02:26:51.359] that did this and you know whether it be
[02:26:54.000] turn water into wine or gave somebody
[02:26:56.720] certain stones to decipher, but he
[02:26:58.399] didn't show them to anybody and he was
[02:26:59.680] the only one that got told how to do it.
[02:27:02.000] This is the genesis of all these
[02:27:03.520] different religions. that people are
[02:27:04.720] going to be pissed about this. But what
[02:27:06.080] I'm trying to say is if there's no proof
[02:27:08.640] for one
[02:27:10.800] and then that being this, you know,
[02:27:13.439] demons and and whatnot thing and then
[02:27:15.359] the UFO thing and there's no proof for
[02:27:18.000] the other, but the other, right? And
[02:27:20.080] we'll talk about one nation under God is
[02:27:22.399] built on that, right? It's everywhere
[02:27:25.280] you swear on a Bible like you pointed
[02:27:26.880] out. You've already got a belief system
[02:27:30.399] that is accepted. There will never be an
[02:27:32.560] elected official or a president that
[02:27:34.319] won't ever have to announce what church
[02:27:35.920] he goes to. I mean, this is what we
[02:27:38.319] expect. Not just accept, but if you're
[02:27:40.479] not in church, you sure the hell aren't
[02:27:41.920] going to be my president. My, you know,
[02:27:43.520] it's on our money.
[02:27:45.840] So, that is an accepted
[02:27:49.439] answer and that's how that's going to be
[02:27:51.359] pushed is how could it not be, right? We
[02:27:54.960] swear on a Bible. We do this. We do
[02:27:56.800] that. So that's actually, and I'm not
[02:27:59.200] saying that's not his own personal
[02:28:00.399] feelings, right? But that's actually the
[02:28:02.720] easiest answer to give other than to say
[02:28:04.560] it's all BS because that would be
[02:28:07.600] accepted.
[02:28:09.520] The whole thing I mentioned with the
[02:28:10.880] preachers is is vultures know where
[02:28:14.080] there's there's there's the dead body in
[02:28:16.640] the money. They can sniff it anywhere.
[02:28:18.880] You are in an industry where you have to
[02:28:20.560] provide zero proof. And I don't want to
[02:28:22.800] like get too personal and bring up
[02:28:24.240] people's bad memories, but like you have
[02:28:27.040] a God where you say they're the creator.
[02:28:29.920] You can never see them. If I right now
[02:28:32.000] say show me or I say strike me down,
[02:28:34.560] won't happen. Kids getting molested in
[02:28:37.120] the church by their priest, good people
[02:28:40.000] dying, bad people being rich, and it's
[02:28:42.240] all part of God's plan, right? That's
[02:28:44.240] what we tell ourselves. It's all part of
[02:28:45.680] God's plan. So that's the industry
[02:28:47.359] they're in.
[02:28:47.840] >> It happens for a reason is what they
[02:28:49.359] say.
[02:28:49.520] >> It happens for a reason. It's got, you
[02:28:51.200] know, you got to trust it.
[02:28:52.319] >> What reason is there for kids to be
[02:28:54.640] >> and how is debt a better fucking place,
[02:28:56.560] right?
[02:28:57.040] >> Tell me. So,
[02:28:58.240] >> tell me how that works.
[02:28:59.520] >> It's it's an industry of bullshit. Okay.
[02:29:02.240] And then you now put into that
[02:29:05.200] the UFO part of people that they pray on
[02:29:08.080] because they say, "What are you really
[02:29:09.760] believing in?" And this is a lot of the
[02:29:11.280] community. So, it was such an easy way
[02:29:14.880] and look at their counts of viewers,
[02:29:16.880] followers, right? These are the sort of
[02:29:18.880] people that are coming into the
[02:29:20.240] community that are being cheered on
[02:29:21.520] because they're telling the story you
[02:29:23.600] want. So my answer to that is no. I
[02:29:26.560] don't see any angels and demons. I've
[02:29:29.200] certainly not ran into any case where
[02:29:30.880] it's where it's that. But it still is
[02:29:33.520] the easiest answer. I know it sounded
[02:29:35.439] odd when he said it, but again, all I
[02:29:39.120] would have to do and be like, look at
[02:29:41.439] the back of your dollar bill, right?
[02:29:43.520] Pledge of allegiance, one nation under
[02:29:45.280] God, right? Where did you, you know, who
[02:29:47.520] do you get married by? I mean, it's it's
[02:29:49.040] implemented in our system. Yeah.
[02:29:50.640] >> So, if you don't want to say aliens, you
[02:29:52.720] don't want to say bullshit, you're going
[02:29:54.160] to just say
[02:29:56.080] >> angels and demons.
[02:29:58.080] >> Yeah, that's very true. That is very
[02:30:00.560] true. Yep. Default back to your your
[02:30:04.160] core, you know, core religious uh
[02:30:08.479] um doctrine like that that it's that
[02:30:12.319] default answer that they can give. So,
[02:30:15.040] just real fast, if you say aliens and
[02:30:16.800] and people don't believe with you, they
[02:30:17.920] say you're crazy. I mean, that's that's
[02:30:19.280] the common thing. If you if you believe
[02:30:20.800] in God and I say I don't believe in
[02:30:22.319] that, no one says, "Oh, that person's
[02:30:24.000] crazy." Cuz they believe in that.
[02:30:25.200] They're just like, "Yeah, I'm not
[02:30:26.720] religious." Such easier calm, you know?
[02:30:29.439] >> But again,
[02:30:32.000] forgive me, but by definition, an angel
[02:30:36.160] or a demon would be a what? Nonhuman
[02:30:40.880] intelligence.
[02:30:42.720] I'm not calling it aliens.
[02:30:45.280] >> I I find that word to be kind of like
[02:30:48.800] too much in a box. And I think Arrow has
[02:30:51.520] done has showed people that they Why do
[02:30:55.359] they use the word e only the word
[02:30:57.760] extraterrestrial?
[02:30:59.760] It's a way of lying by omission. Right.
[02:31:02.720] You're you're you're saying that we have
[02:31:05.120] no evidence of extraterrestrial life.
[02:31:08.160] Well, no one said that. What that's
[02:31:09.920] exactly what we thought it was. The UN
[02:31:12.240] UFO or a UAP is unidentified
[02:31:15.439] >> big heather,
[02:31:16.399] >> right? So, no one ever wanted you to go
[02:31:19.120] looking just for extraterrestrials. It
[02:31:21.120] could be interdimensional,
[02:31:22.399] ultraterrestrial, and and so I I find
[02:31:25.520] the words to be chosen very
[02:31:27.920] specifically.
[02:31:29.200] >> I'll harp on this just a little bit more
[02:31:30.960] just so people I'm clear on my position
[02:31:33.840] on it, which is that, you know, you look
[02:31:36.399] into the Bible and you look at a globe,
[02:31:38.800] if anyone still has one. I'm getting
[02:31:40.560] dated, but
[02:31:41.359] >> I do I have one upstairs.
[02:31:42.479] >> Everything that happened in the Bible
[02:31:43.920] happened in Israel, not the world.
[02:31:46.960] >> Isn't that fun? Weird.
[02:31:48.960] >> So again, if you believe that two of
[02:31:52.560] every animal were put on the ark and so
[02:31:54.240] on. So now we're using the same book to
[02:31:56.160] describe what is an angel
[02:31:58.880] or what is a demon. And this is of
[02:32:00.640] course not that there's not religion,
[02:32:02.319] there's not something I mean, I believe
[02:32:03.439] there's something that happens
[02:32:04.240] afterwards. It just means and we've
[02:32:06.240] talked about this before when man
[02:32:07.520] touches something it just turns to
[02:32:09.760] stories and ruins what what the truth
[02:32:12.560] is. So hyperbole
[02:32:14.160] >> angels and demons, you know, or angel
[02:32:16.319] being any non-human intelligence, I
[02:32:18.240] don't think was thought out in that way.
[02:32:19.920] And I think people who believe in this
[02:32:21.760] are pulling that long stretch because
[02:32:23.840] eventually the story was and I think you
[02:32:26.640] and I have talked about this. The first
[02:32:28.720] saucer that got put in a in a in a
[02:32:30.720] newspaper was described as moving like a
[02:32:33.120] saucer on water. Not actually
[02:32:35.280] >> a saucer, but then everyone started the
[02:32:37.120] fucking saucer. Right. So, this is kind
[02:32:40.319] of what my problem is with this where
[02:32:42.240] it's like then we thought they were
[02:32:43.920] coming from Mars and outer space. Now,
[02:32:45.760] most people will kind of agree like
[02:32:47.040] we've got enough up there and things
[02:32:48.800] that like that's probably not happen.
[02:32:51.359] So, now it's in the sea. It's
[02:32:52.720] interdimensional. Could be, but I feel
[02:32:54.560] like people are just working through
[02:32:57.520] formulating a a narrative where it's it
[02:33:01.120] could still be angels or demons because
[02:33:02.800] it's not human intelligence. It's like
[02:33:04.399] you're moving the goalpost.
[02:33:07.200] I never really looked at it like that.
[02:33:09.120] Um,
[02:33:10.080] >> just again, if you can show up and turn
[02:33:12.240] a water into wine or I mean any of this
[02:33:14.399] stuff. I mean, my view of this
[02:33:16.560] >> Well, what do you make of things like
[02:33:18.960] Stargate? I mean, we know the government
[02:33:21.280] has looked into things that
[02:33:24.800] >> seem like magic,
[02:33:27.040] >> right? And had success allegedly. So,
[02:33:29.760] are you saying that you don't think do
[02:33:31.600] you think this has all been conflated to
[02:33:33.920] something to some degree? I would say
[02:33:37.040] from the people I won't drop any names
[02:33:39.359] right now because I've got enough
[02:33:40.800] battles, but that have um accolades of
[02:33:44.319] working for agencies for decades. You
[02:33:47.520] can be pretty fucking crazy and still
[02:33:50.000] work for an agency. And oddly enough, a
[02:33:52.399] lot of them were involved in this. Now,
[02:33:54.319] with that said, even from my own crew,
[02:33:57.600] there's this um quote that basically
[02:33:59.760] goes like there's a fine line between
[02:34:01.680] genius and madman. And it's true
[02:34:05.200] >> very much so.
[02:34:05.920] >> And the problem is the madman isn't
[02:34:08.160] actually a bad thing if you don't go
[02:34:10.240] over their full fucking term. Right? So
[02:34:12.960] what I'm saying is I can show you all
[02:34:16.160] the data we pulled, the videos, the
[02:34:18.560] metadata of something doing something
[02:34:20.319] that defies physics. Right? What a
[02:34:23.920] regular even a a highlevel physicist
[02:34:27.359] will tell me is that's not possible
[02:34:29.439] because the math doesn't. And it's like,
[02:34:31.520] well, we verified everything we're
[02:34:33.760] showing you, right? So, obviously, it is
[02:34:35.920] fucking possible. So, I have to deal
[02:34:37.840] with
[02:34:38.319] >> So, obviously, we don't have an
[02:34:39.439] understand because they're the only ones
[02:34:41.280] that'll be like, "Let me fucking figure
[02:34:42.800] out how this, you know, like, let me
[02:34:45.439] come up with something." So, again,
[02:34:49.200] >> there is a value to these people in the
[02:34:51.040] community. I don't want to come out like
[02:34:52.720] I'm just hitting them. It's just
[02:34:54.640] sometimes, and I can tell you again
[02:34:55.920] because I work with a lot of these
[02:34:57.040] people, some of their ideas or what
[02:34:59.359] whatnot could be out there. But did the
[02:35:01.600] government look into it? Yeah. And they
[02:35:03.040] also were staring at goats and you know,
[02:35:05.600] again, we need the fucking data. If you
[02:35:07.920] can't put the data down, which is what
[02:35:10.240] Errol uses against you, you know, it's
[02:35:13.439] still just a fucking story. You know
[02:35:15.840] what what I want to say kind of lastly
[02:35:17.840] on that is
[02:35:21.120] as humans you believe one of two things
[02:35:23.040] for the most part. One story is your god
[02:35:27.280] created everyone which means out of
[02:35:29.600] nothing and no matter what religion
[02:35:31.520] you're in he spoke to somebody or he
[02:35:33.920] showed himself to somebody or he's you
[02:35:35.760] know not recently obviously but the
[02:35:38.960] origin of the of the religion. The
[02:35:41.520] second part is is you believe that we
[02:35:43.520] were some sort of, you know, bacteria or
[02:35:45.920] microbe
[02:35:47.439] on a rock and then we went through this,
[02:35:49.760] we went through that and monkeys and
[02:35:51.280] cavemen and
[02:35:52.640] >> evolution
[02:35:53.120] >> and we're here evolution. Okay, so look
[02:35:55.920] at both of those.
[02:35:58.160] How did we get to where we are right
[02:35:59.840] now? If it's our technology, if if God
[02:36:04.080] can speak to you through your mind, how
[02:36:06.160] come he couldn't have just told somebody
[02:36:07.600] how the fuck to make this? If we've
[02:36:10.720] advanced from bacteria on a fucking
[02:36:12.640] rock, you're telling me we couldn't come
[02:36:14.880] up with a craft that does exactly what
[02:36:17.120] the the Nimmits encountered it? I mean,
[02:36:19.040] we've been flying for a little over a
[02:36:20.080] hundred years. So, it's not that I don't
[02:36:22.560] think people should consider it, but
[02:36:25.040] both of those answers come down to a it
[02:36:27.200] still would have been humanmade,
[02:36:29.280] right? So, that's kind of where I'm
[02:36:31.920] stuck at because I can't find other
[02:36:34.479] people's proof, which is why I gave up
[02:36:36.160] on the word did it come from
[02:36:38.479] >> part of it. part of it because it's just
[02:36:40.240] not worth the time.
[02:36:41.359] >> It's so much of a
[02:36:43.040] >> I'll never get those answers.
[02:36:44.160] >> It's so much of a rabbit hole.
[02:36:46.240] >> I don't have access to that. I know what
[02:36:48.160] I can do now. That's the key for me
[02:36:50.319] going forward.
[02:36:51.200] >> Is there any question I missed? Are you
[02:36:53.680] a religious man?
[02:36:56.399] >> I consider myself highly religious.
[02:36:59.520] Don't attend church. I do.
[02:37:01.359] >> Do you think there's an afterlife or
[02:37:03.280] >> There is definitely something that
[02:37:05.439] happens when you pass away. I don't know
[02:37:08.399] if I would go as far as the afterlife
[02:37:10.000] because even if you look at, you know,
[02:37:11.280] religions, Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses,
[02:37:13.520] some religions don't even have a hell.
[02:37:15.439] They only have a heaven. But when you
[02:37:17.920] analyze that, it's always everybody's
[02:37:19.760] getting along and it's like, well, then
[02:37:21.280] that's not the people that died. So, is
[02:37:23.280] everybody a zombie that got their brain
[02:37:24.960] piffed and everybody just says, "Yeah,
[02:37:26.319] hi. How are you?" Like, that's not where
[02:37:27.840] I would want to.
[02:37:29.120] >> It's not what I would call,
[02:37:30.319] >> right? I want the tie I fucking knew.
[02:37:32.000] You know, right? Like that's how you
[02:37:33.280] think about family. So again, there's so
[02:37:36.240] many problems in those stories, but I do
[02:37:38.399] feel pretty confident that when you pass
[02:37:40.479] away, something happens. I just don't
[02:37:42.720] have the answer of
[02:37:45.120] what. And I'm pretty sure what we've
[02:37:46.800] been taught everywhere is probably not
[02:37:49.200] the right story.
[02:37:50.479] >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Um I
[02:37:53.120] I' I'd fall under that same category of
[02:37:55.359] saying that I don't think we have it
[02:37:57.120] right. Not even close. Um because
[02:38:01.040] and and the reason I say that is because
[02:38:02.560] the one thing I the one thing the
[02:38:04.800] universe doesn't seem to be is wasteful.
[02:38:07.760] It just doesn't doesn't waste anything.
[02:38:11.760] And um
[02:38:14.800] seems weird that this would be all just
[02:38:16.319] for nothing, right? So
[02:38:19.439] >> for sure. I mean, you know, there's this
[02:38:23.520] question that's always like, do you
[02:38:25.359] think someone else is out there? And
[02:38:26.800] even people that are kind of uh not kind
[02:38:28.479] of they're detested by the community
[02:38:29.920] like Kpatrick would be like yeah
[02:38:31.439] statistically there has to be another
[02:38:34.560] life form they usually say you know in
[02:38:36.319] this universe not galaxy
[02:38:39.120] and you know if you actually talk to
[02:38:41.680] someone that does that like believe it
[02:38:42.880] or not there's people that do this now
[02:38:44.160] if anyone that's seen Moneyball knows
[02:38:45.680] now about the professions you know
[02:38:47.439] saticians and whatnot but they would
[02:38:50.240] actually tell you that if you looked at
[02:38:52.319] that modern it would be the other way
[02:38:53.680] around because it's so rare.
[02:38:56.960] It's almost impossible to think that it
[02:38:59.120] would happen somewhere else versus the
[02:39:00.960] universe is so big. It's got to happen
[02:39:03.439] again. There's two ways
[02:39:06.240] >> to look at that to phrase that, right?
[02:39:08.720] So again, we know we pretty confident
[02:39:11.120] there's nothing else in our galaxy.
[02:39:12.640] There's, you know, how would you know,
[02:39:14.080] right? But again,
[02:39:17.120] >> it may just be the one one thing. Now,
[02:39:20.160] with that said, you know,
[02:39:21.120] >> that scares me more. Well, here's what I
[02:39:23.280] always say because this is what I think
[02:39:24.800] about, right? Like I don't think about
[02:39:26.560] the aliens. I don't think about um where
[02:39:29.600] did this come from. I view it in this
[02:39:31.280] sense. You know, one of the things that
[02:39:32.479] happen when we go into SSCI is they'd
[02:39:34.560] kind of want to know like how to battle
[02:39:35.840] with arrow, right? So, in every fucking
[02:39:38.640] briefing, I had this section called
[02:39:40.319] walking down a physicist.
[02:39:42.880] And what that meant was they'd be like,
[02:39:44.720] well, they told us this, they told us
[02:39:46.080] that, you know, right? Not possible.
[02:39:48.240] Defies physics. So
[02:39:50.800] I would start with things that everybody
[02:39:52.319] agrees on including NASA which is you
[02:39:54.240] know there's a particular planet that's
[02:39:56.240] so bright it defies the laws of physics
[02:39:58.160] it should have exploded you know planet
[02:40:01.439] star right and so that defies physics
[02:40:04.160] everybody agrees it's all been validated
[02:40:06.240] on information so we know physics can be
[02:40:09.600] defied look at the sun every day of your
[02:40:12.240] life the sun's been up there it's always
[02:40:14.000] 10 years away we've never been able to
[02:40:15.760] replicate a source that can just fill
[02:40:17.359] itself back up. It just there's so many
[02:40:20.640] instances and you get back down here to
[02:40:22.479] Earth and we'd point out things like
[02:40:23.920] there was this mystery on you spin
[02:40:26.160] magnets around and it changes the
[02:40:27.760] magnetic field,
[02:40:28.800] >> right?
[02:40:29.439] >> And that was discovered in a way that
[02:40:32.000] when they wanted to test it, they
[02:40:33.439] literally got drills, you know, like you
[02:40:35.359] would drill a hole in your wall, put
[02:40:37.200] magnets on the end, and they got some
[02:40:38.560] high dollar monitoring equipment. But
[02:40:39.920] it's like, how often have we had magnets
[02:40:41.760] and drills?
[02:40:43.600] >> No one's discovered this stuff. So this
[02:40:45.439] idea of like we know what physics are.
[02:40:48.160] Now I would walk that all the way back
[02:40:50.479] from the universe and where I would
[02:40:52.880] start with is even even though there's
[02:40:54.319] theories
[02:40:56.080] where does the universe end? We've
[02:40:57.840] actually been measuring it for a long
[02:40:59.359] time and we know it's growing.
[02:41:02.319] >> Yeah. But here's the problem. We said
[02:41:04.319] end. You can't define volume
[02:41:08.720] without knowing the parameters. And
[02:41:10.880] nothing can just end. What's on the
[02:41:13.280] other side? What's holding this thing in
[02:41:15.040] place floating? Oh, it's uh, you know,
[02:41:18.560] this area of nothing. Well, how long
[02:41:20.160] does the nothing go on? Because it's
[02:41:21.520] obviously got to be something. We're
[02:41:22.880] growing into it. Oh, well, it goes this
[02:41:25.200] way. Okay. Well, what's holding that
[02:41:26.479] place? And you'll never get to a fucking
[02:41:28.319] answer of what's holding everything into
[02:41:30.000] place because something would have to be
[02:41:31.200] holding it into place
[02:41:33.680] >> and in on
[02:41:34.960] >> on and on. And you can't say goes on
[02:41:36.640] forever because there's no fucking way
[02:41:38.240] for everything anything to ever go on
[02:41:40.080] forever. So you have two possibilities
[02:41:42.080] and they're both fucking impossible.
[02:41:45.040] So the people that want to believe in
[02:41:46.880] different things, I never try and come
[02:41:48.319] at them too hard cuz it's like we got to
[02:41:51.280] admit we live in an impossible fucking
[02:41:53.680] world. You know, the simulation theory
[02:41:56.399] I've never bothered to answer.
[02:41:58.319] >> But doesn't it for all the reasons you
[02:42:01.040] just listed,
[02:42:02.000] >> but it's because it's not the right
[02:42:03.520] question. You know, if you want to say
[02:42:04.960] to me, do you think we're in somebody's
[02:42:06.880] video station, you know, video game? I'm
[02:42:09.680] fine with that, but it doesn't answer
[02:42:10.960] the question because whatever five foot
[02:42:12.960] tall lizard people are playing this on
[02:42:14.720] their PS5,
[02:42:16.640] they have to have a sky. Where does
[02:42:18.319] their fucking sky in and what's holding
[02:42:19.920] their galaxy and play? And so that's my
[02:42:21.600] question is the big one of like
[02:42:24.080] >> So it's not that I don't
[02:42:26.160] >> ah
[02:42:26.880] >> entertain it. It's that you're ask you
[02:42:28.800] know for me that's not the fucking
[02:42:30.000] question I want to know.
[02:42:30.800] >> Break at certain points of that you go
[02:42:33.600] >> right. Again, that's fine, but you still
[02:42:37.359] would have to have someone running it.
[02:42:38.479] And then you get back into the
[02:42:39.439] questions. Where the fuck does all this
[02:42:40.960] end? Cuz it can't and it can't also go
[02:42:42.640] on forever. So, anything is possible is
[02:42:45.359] kind of my end.
[02:42:47.359] >> No, doesn't mean everything's possible,
[02:42:50.000] >> but
[02:42:50.479] >> but it is possible.
[02:42:52.399] >> Is possible.
[02:42:53.200] >> Correct.
[02:42:54.000] >> So,
[02:42:56.399] and I've actually never liked defies
[02:42:59.280] physics. It's like because that suggests
[02:43:01.520] that we have a full understanding of the
[02:43:04.319] universe's properties. And I think
[02:43:06.160] that's fair to say that we do not.
[02:43:09.359] >> Um if things are already defying those,
[02:43:12.880] >> you can't say that and also agree that
[02:43:14.399] there's multiple examples that we know
[02:43:16.720] defy physics. You can't say both. And
[02:43:18.479] that's why I would give him that ammo to
[02:43:20.080] go in and be like, "Oh, really?"
[02:43:21.600] >> Right.
[02:43:22.080] >> Explain the sun to me then.
[02:43:23.840] >> Um
[02:43:25.680] right.
[02:43:29.040] Thank you for having the courage to
[02:43:33.359] answer these questions. Um,
[02:43:37.200] is there anything that you want to tell
[02:43:38.800] people?
[02:43:41.040] I'm
[02:43:42.080] >> before we wrap up.
[02:43:43.200] >> I I'll catch people up to where I am
[02:43:45.040] today. You know, like I've always said,
[02:43:46.560] some people say, "Where to find you? If
[02:43:48.000] I show up, I show up." Just like here,
[02:43:50.080] you know, same way online,
[02:43:53.600] >> you know, that's just kind of how I am.
[02:43:54.880] I try to be I and I feel like I've
[02:43:56.960] easily been in more spaces, not because
[02:43:59.120] I do a whole lot. It's just everybody
[02:44:01.040] else, especially whistleblowers, and I I
[02:44:02.880] understand why uh are kind of laying
[02:44:05.680] low, but I'm usually out there. My story
[02:44:07.359] will stand. I've got legs. But I am
[02:44:10.399] working on things still within the
[02:44:12.000] government. We're getting ready to head
[02:44:13.359] up to DC
[02:44:15.279] uh in a couple days, and we've caught
[02:44:17.520] attention of lots of people, and that
[02:44:19.680] includes the executive branch as we
[02:44:22.560] speak about. reason and be and think
[02:44:26.319] what you want about people. But when you
[02:44:28.160] go through what I went through for
[02:44:29.439] multiple years and you know the same
[02:44:31.439] thing the SSCI said is like well you've
[02:44:33.439] already essentially been run through the
[02:44:34.800] ringer by all these other branches that
[02:44:37.359] have verid you know validated you now we
[02:44:39.439] come up here and validate you. That's
[02:44:41.840] what the executive branch wanted. Even
[02:44:44.720] though you've got one team kind of
[02:44:46.960] working the what if it's aliens there's
[02:44:48.720] another team wanting the actual answers
[02:44:50.800] of what the fuck's in the sky.
[02:44:53.439] Yeah.
[02:44:53.920] >> And that's happens to be just me. So,
[02:44:56.479] I'm doing a lot behind the scenes. Can't
[02:44:58.399] always tell people, but there is a lot
[02:45:01.520] going on.
[02:45:03.600] Try not to ruin it if you don't have
[02:45:06.240] something better or some validation
[02:45:08.000] would be my only encouragement to end it
[02:45:09.760] on. Let the process play out here.
[02:45:12.160] >> I think a lot of people do need to find
[02:45:14.000] their place and they they don't have
[02:45:16.720] that like like I know what my place is,
[02:45:19.680] right? is to facilitate stories and and
[02:45:22.640] sometimes I help facilitate people with
[02:45:25.200] other people. I know what my job is.
[02:45:28.399] More people need to know what they need
[02:45:30.319] to do.
[02:45:30.880] >> We probably should have ended it because
[02:45:32.319] now I'm going to come down kind of hard
[02:45:33.520] on people just because I'm going to make
[02:45:34.960] that point, right?
[02:45:37.760] >> We could always cut it out.
[02:45:39.279] >> No, no. Well, let's put this in. I want
[02:45:41.279] to leave this. So, I'm going to say
[02:45:43.040] something that sounds incredibly harsh
[02:45:44.640] and most people want to turn this off.
[02:45:46.319] Don't because I want to explain what it
[02:45:48.880] means. probably not what you think.
[02:45:50.479] >> All right, zoom in on his face now, just
[02:45:52.960] for this part. I'm just kidding.
[02:45:55.520] >> Everyone that's listening to this, okay,
[02:45:58.000] don't don't turn this off. Hear me out,
[02:45:59.760] is a nobody. Sounds terrible. Now, I
[02:46:03.680] work with my kids, schools. I preach the
[02:46:06.800] opposite of that, right? Everybody's a
[02:46:09.200] somebody. Everybody has a place in the
[02:46:11.520] world. So then what do I mean? What I
[02:46:14.319] mean is this, and we've been through
[02:46:16.240] this. If I give you the secret sauce to
[02:46:18.720] what's in the stealth coding of these
[02:46:20.399] things that can do this, can you go back
[02:46:22.960] and look at the files of all of our
[02:46:24.399] various stealth codings as classify?
[02:46:27.520] >> No.
[02:46:27.920] >> No. If I tell you what satellite you
[02:46:30.720] need to pull this, this, and this from,
[02:46:32.399] can you do that?
[02:46:33.680] >> No.
[02:46:34.000] >> No. If I give you GPS date, time, and
[02:46:36.319] stamp, I'm not talking about a a trial
[02:46:38.399] to, you know, flight tracker
[02:46:40.800] because that shit doesn't show up on
[02:46:42.319] that. Can you pull it? No. And people
[02:46:45.040] have to understand that that like
[02:46:48.399] you have to go about things differently
[02:46:51.359] than you are on both sides. Skeptics and
[02:46:54.080] folks that are telling their story.
[02:46:57.120] >> And if you're not willing to fight the
[02:46:59.680] government, you won't get there. And if
[02:47:01.760] you fight the government to beat them,
[02:47:03.359] you got to play on their field by their
[02:47:06.319] rules. Everybody keeps trying to move
[02:47:08.080] the Well, if we get the UAPDA, we'll get
[02:47:09.920] the files released. Sure the fuck won't.
[02:47:12.319] They're going to keep that shit hidden.
[02:47:14.560] So again, my method, whether people like
[02:47:17.279] it or not, is to play on their field by
[02:47:19.359] their rules and try and fucking beat
[02:47:21.359] them there.
[02:47:23.680] >> Love it. That's such a good place to end
[02:47:25.439] on, dude. Thank you. You've been
[02:47:27.600] absolutely wonderful. And um
[02:47:32.160] go fight for us, right?
[02:47:35.200] >> I'm telling you, answers are possible to
[02:47:37.520] get. And hopefully when I get them,
[02:47:40.160] >> you hope you'll come back and share
[02:47:42.800] them.
[02:47:43.359] >> I'll be back. And if I ever go missing,
[02:47:45.680] hopefully it's for a good reason, not
[02:47:48.240] the opposite.
[02:47:49.279] >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Um,
[02:47:52.160] thank you so much for being here, man.
[02:47:54.000] Um,
[02:47:57.520] good luck with everything that you're
[02:47:59.200] about to go try and do. Um, if Yeah, if
[02:48:02.319] you always have an open door here. Uh,
[02:48:04.240] and thank you everyone for watching. Uh,
[02:48:06.560] of course, you know, we usually um do uh
[02:48:12.080] film, we always ask, you know,
[02:48:15.600] respectfully um what people want and
[02:48:18.880] we're always willing to accommodate. Uh
[02:48:20.960] and if someone doesn't want to be seen
[02:48:22.720] on camera, I I respect that. Um and I
[02:48:25.680] respect why you do um you you know, why
[02:48:29.359] you did a ask that. Uh, and you know,
[02:48:32.240] for anyone else who thinks that you have
[02:48:35.439] to go on camera or have to be seen uh or
[02:48:39.840] or can't protect your family, um, just
[02:48:43.520] know that that's not the case and we are
[02:48:45.200] willing to to work with you to um,
[02:48:48.800] better humanity uh, and not, you know,
[02:48:52.640] put you in danger. So, this is a safe
[02:48:54.960] place. We try to make it a safe place.
[02:48:57.200] Uh, Jean's always great and
[02:48:59.439] >> I can vouch for that.
[02:49:00.560] >> You can attest to that. So, um, thank
[02:49:03.279] you again for doing this today. Uh, you
[02:49:05.920] go by
[02:49:07.279] >> whistle and mic. Just Mike's fine
[02:49:09.520] >> on this on X. So, I'll put that link in
[02:49:12.080] the description below. Uh, for anyone
[02:49:13.680] who wants to follow you and hear, you
[02:49:16.319] know, more of what you have to say. Um,
[02:49:18.560] and for everyone else, stay humble, stay
[02:49:20.800] kind, and stay vigilant. We'll see you
[02:49:23.120] next time.
[02:49:27.200] The ink is black where the truth was
[02:49:30.560] kept
[02:49:32.399] behind the lines while the silence
[02:49:35.120] slept.
[02:49:36.800] We trace the static on a lonely wire.
[02:49:46.080] Searching theerten
[02:49:51.520] wide and the night is deep.
[02:49:55.439] promises that the agencies
[02:49:58.880] could keep.
[02:50:01.680] Wait for the light to break the seal.
[02:50:06.240] Nothing remains that they can conceal in
[02:50:10.560] the total disclosure. We find our way
[02:50:15.600] through the redacted to the light of
[02:50:18.399] day.
[02:50:20.319] Through the redacted to the light of
[02:50:23.040] day.
[02:50:24.640] Check the pulse. Scan the sky.
[02:50:29.439] Truth doesn't live in a professional
[02:50:32.240] life.
[02:50:34.080] Join the signal. Join the sound.
[02:50:38.720] Until the next time we're breaking
[02:50:41.439] ground.
[02:50:48.800] So for 10 minutes, we hit this thing
[02:50:50.720] with everything we had to document it.
[02:50:54.560] >> I just spit my coffee.
[02:51:01.520] That was hilarious.
[02:51:06.479] Take.
[02:51:08.319] All right, I got to stop hitting this
[02:51:09.600] fucking thing.
[02:51:11.760] It's too