Whistling Mike on Psicoactivo (December 2025)

Source: YouTube, Psicoactivo Podcast, "Whistling Mike on recording Black Triangle UAP, a power source & going in a SCIF - Psicoactivo #761." Published: 2025-12-30. Duration: 1:33:01. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2Mbtt_YTw. Extraction: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps. Captured: 2026-08-27. Machine transcription may contain minor errors. Analysis: ../../sources/whistling-mike-contractor-claimant.

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[00:00:09.280] What's up humans and welcome to a newo.
[00:00:12.080] Happy what what is it? Monday. Happy
[00:00:14.799] Monday everybody. Um so today uh it's
[00:00:18.560] been a really hectic day because of a
[00:00:20.480] lot of stuff that's happening on social
[00:00:22.080] media with the UFO community. the video
[00:00:24.560] that I did on um Jay Anderson's uh
[00:00:28.720] interview on Joe Rogan got a lot of
[00:00:30.800] attention and um I I was sure that
[00:00:35.120] whatever I did, whatever I spoke about,
[00:00:37.680] somebody wasn't going to be happy. And
[00:00:39.520] what do you know? Both sides aren't
[00:00:41.200] happy with the way I covered it. I tried
[00:00:43.840] to be as um uh balanced as possible, but
[00:00:47.600] sometimes you just can't win them all,
[00:00:50.079] right? Um, but to make sense of some of
[00:00:53.680] this and also a lot of what's been
[00:00:56.399] happening over the last few months, I
[00:00:59.359] got somebody uh that I've been wanting
[00:01:01.600] to talk to for a little while and
[00:01:04.080] somebody who first came out on this
[00:01:06.320] channel with a statement. Um, I uh named
[00:01:10.960] him like like I nicknamed him u the
[00:01:14.320] civilian axle rod because I thought it
[00:01:16.720] was a funny nickname because it was
[00:01:18.479] already used in two different books in
[00:01:20.159] the past and I decided to use it then
[00:01:23.759] but then he came out as Mike and on X
[00:01:27.920] he's as whistling Mike. Um this is the
[00:01:30.799] person who um in 2003 2004 I think um he
[00:01:37.600] had an encounter with an object that he
[00:01:41.040] believes it's uh US tech but we have a
[00:01:44.880] little debate over what it really is. So
[00:01:47.840] to talk about that and much more I want
[00:01:50.159] you guys to welcome Mike to the show.
[00:01:52.799] Welcome Mike. How you doing man?
[00:01:54.880] >> Hey Pavle. I'm good. Um I'm glad you
[00:01:57.280] straighten us out. It's Monday because
[00:01:59.600] You know, it's like that, right? There's
[00:02:00.880] a meme going around the 25th to the
[00:02:02.799] 31st. It's hard to know like what day it
[00:02:04.640] is.
[00:02:06.079] >> It's just so confusing. But
[00:02:08.000] >> yeah, how you been,
[00:02:10.479] >> man? I've been pretty good. Um,
[00:02:14.160] just keeping on chugging. You know,
[00:02:16.000] that's the nature of a business.
[00:02:18.800] >> Yes.
[00:02:19.440] >> Especially in this environment is every
[00:02:22.480] day is a work day. I mean, anybody
[00:02:24.080] that's got a small business, podcasters
[00:02:26.000] kind of know what that's like. uh just
[00:02:28.160] 24/7. But I mean that's that's fine by
[00:02:30.879] me, right? I mean that's that's the
[00:02:32.640] goal. So
[00:02:34.080] >> yeah. So I've seen you in a couple of
[00:02:37.040] other shows now. You've been on
[00:02:38.640] Patrick's Vetted, you've been on Total
[00:02:40.959] Disclosure. Um
[00:02:43.760] what's the angle here that you're now
[00:02:46.319] decided to come out in public a little
[00:02:48.239] bit more? Um what are you trying to
[00:02:50.959] accomplish with this? Um and um what do
[00:02:55.120] you think the landscape is right now
[00:02:58.239] when it comes to the the disclosure
[00:03:00.800] movement and the whole politics aspect
[00:03:03.440] of it? Please let us know.
[00:03:06.319] >> Well, you know what really struck me as
[00:03:10.959] not a surprise but odd is when I made my
[00:03:14.640] announcement and keep in mind I I did
[00:03:16.959] release um different receipts. you know,
[00:03:19.280] there's that that Medium article and
[00:03:21.040] then uh I did an AMA on Reddit and they
[00:03:23.599] kind of actually put a bunch of stuff
[00:03:24.879] together um with with some of my
[00:03:27.599] receipts to show you these various
[00:03:29.040] different things and you know with that
[00:03:31.040] sort of proof you know the announcement
[00:03:32.959] was that essentially the technology
[00:03:35.680] >> that everybody's been talking about is
[00:03:37.200] ours and in this space it was like oh
[00:03:41.040] that's it you know [laughter] like oh we
[00:03:43.920] knew that some crazy guy 20 years ago
[00:03:46.720] who was selling a look for so much money
[00:03:49.360] told us that and it's like yeah but you
[00:03:51.680] got to understand like I've actually
[00:03:53.120] brought in proof data verified things
[00:03:56.319] and so you know the announcement didn't
[00:03:58.319] really ring within the UFO community as
[00:04:00.159] it did everywhere else uh you know keep
[00:04:02.799] in mind when I'm dealing with things
[00:04:04.319] like death threats financial offers the
[00:04:06.959] rest of the world views it much more
[00:04:08.640] seriously and so when that happened I
[00:04:11.439] was kind of like you know what I mean
[00:04:13.680] what else could you announce for these
[00:04:15.599] folks um and it didn't seem to make a a
[00:04:18.160] lot of point and then I started to get a
[00:04:20.160] lot of outreach
[00:04:22.720] uh from what I'll refer to as
[00:04:24.560] whistleblowers
[00:04:26.479] who had what was needed things like
[00:04:30.160] actual data that you could submit
[00:04:33.199] um not just the story and they were
[00:04:36.240] interested in speaking to me um about
[00:04:39.680] the process. A couple of them I did um
[00:04:43.919] send on. Uh one gentleman I sent to the
[00:04:48.400] last gentleman went and spoke to
[00:04:50.800] Representative Bergles
[00:04:53.360] and then the the FBI UAP UFO working
[00:04:56.320] group um as well. And so that kind of
[00:04:59.440] been almost overwhelming. I didn't
[00:05:01.520] realize how many folks had good solid
[00:05:05.280] evidence that you could put in front of
[00:05:06.880] a professional, you know, a doctorate of
[00:05:09.280] whether it be physics or whatever the
[00:05:10.960] discipline would be. And so that kind of
[00:05:13.360] started to pull me back in because there
[00:05:16.000] really wasn't appointment for these
[00:05:18.479] guys. And I can relate because again,
[00:05:23.199] you know, remember I was asked to go
[00:05:26.000] into SLCI.
[00:05:28.400] I was asked to go to Euro
[00:05:31.039] I did reach out to the UAP caucus when
[00:05:34.160] that all went down poorly and I just got
[00:05:37.680] no answers back and so eventually I
[00:05:39.759] ended up going through with um Eurson
[00:05:42.000] speaking to him. But that is a major
[00:05:43.520] problem right now. I understand why
[00:05:46.639] there's so many phone calls and emails
[00:05:48.479] coming in of people saying, you know,
[00:05:49.919] I've got this story. I saw something
[00:05:53.199] through to them. So
[00:05:55.440] I kind of started to come back. Not so
[00:05:57.520] much on the Twitter. I mean, Twitter's
[00:05:59.680] just kind of some or relaxation time,
[00:06:03.680] this and that. Um, sticking around a
[00:06:05.840] little bit because that seems to be
[00:06:06.880] where people want to reach me at. And,
[00:06:10.080] uh, that's kind of a role I didn't take
[00:06:11.840] on. I've been asked to do like a lot of
[00:06:13.520] podcasting. Would I moderate a podcast?
[00:06:15.919] And I haven't really, you know, went
[00:06:17.600] down that role. But as I've made no um
[00:06:23.360] no secret of, I I have a difference of
[00:06:25.440] opinion of how the hearings and
[00:06:27.199] investigation should go on. And so
[00:06:29.919] there's so many people counting on me.
[00:06:32.240] Um and I've met a couple others that are
[00:06:34.400] that are out in the public. Um I do a
[00:06:37.520] lot with Gene Sticko and a couple other
[00:06:40.240] people that just started pushing back uh
[00:06:44.000] on some of the narrative. Not so much
[00:06:46.080] the narrative that it's wrong, the
[00:06:47.600] narrative of unless you've been through
[00:06:50.160] this, and I'm talking SFCI,
[00:06:54.400] Arrow,
[00:06:55.919] FBI,
[00:06:57.440] you know, IG, NIA, NCI, unless you've
[00:07:00.080] been through all this, you can't really
[00:07:02.319] plan the movement. And you know when I
[00:07:04.800] did a a cast yesterday, that's one of
[00:07:07.280] the things I try to bring up to people
[00:07:08.800] is you're told that SSCI that even if
[00:07:12.000] you leave, you know, coordinates, date,
[00:07:14.400] times, addresses, they won't go and to
[00:07:17.919] the door of the business. You have to go
[00:07:20.880] to arrow and you have to tell that at
[00:07:23.360] arrow and then arrow goes and looks and
[00:07:25.599] then SSCI calls arrow in to give the
[00:07:27.680] report. So again, you got people
[00:07:29.759] planning on, well, let's, you know, do
[00:07:31.199] this, let's do that. And so that's kind
[00:07:32.639] of where I've been trying to facilitate,
[00:07:35.199] help people understand. But what I'm
[00:07:36.960] still seeing is just a lot of,
[00:07:40.160] you know, my problem with the podcasters
[00:07:42.080] of we've got a lot of experts that are
[00:07:44.800] talking, but they may not know what
[00:07:46.319] they're talking about. So that long
[00:07:48.160] ramble was to say, I didn't think
[00:07:49.599] anything went real well in 25,
[00:07:53.120] but there's still possibility going into
[00:07:56.720] 26, but definitely change has to be
[00:07:59.759] made.
[00:08:00.400] >> Okay. So, a couple of things there just
[00:08:02.240] to put people on the um on the trail of
[00:08:06.160] what's going on. Like what was the event
[00:08:09.199] that happened that started it all? Can
[00:08:11.039] you walk us through that, please?
[00:08:13.599] >> Yeah, sure. So,
[00:08:16.319] you know, I've always uh been been a
[00:08:18.560] self-made guy and even though I've done
[00:08:21.440] quite well for myself, I've always been
[00:08:24.080] an entrepreneur, an investor, and you
[00:08:27.120] kind of grow up within those means.
[00:08:29.199] you're much more hands-on, right? And I
[00:08:30.879] say that because anyone's ever had
[00:08:32.399] business partners or different things,
[00:08:33.760] the first thing they want to do is like
[00:08:35.120] hire a secretary, you know, hire a
[00:08:37.599] personal assistant. That's not me. It's
[00:08:39.360] like, you know, I don't mind jumping in,
[00:08:42.399] driving the van, whatever, whatever it
[00:08:44.959] may be, and then jumping out and putting
[00:08:46.480] on a pinstripe suit and going to a
[00:08:48.000] boardroom meeting or whatever it may be.
[00:08:49.519] So, particular business that I was
[00:08:51.920] invested in, um,
[00:08:55.120] you know, we made the calls to where we
[00:08:56.640] had to do to provide that service. uh
[00:08:58.880] with some pretty high-tech monitoring
[00:09:00.320] equipment and we were coming back late
[00:09:03.120] one night and saw some lights uh you
[00:09:07.440] know lights where there shouldn't have
[00:09:08.560] been lights low
[00:09:11.760] and you know I never thought to myself
[00:09:14.320] you know UFO or something it was just
[00:09:16.240] what are those lights doing right so you
[00:09:20.399] know with my knowledge and kind of
[00:09:23.279] thinking it through I kind of thought
[00:09:25.040] well it could be an airplane but I'm not
[00:09:26.959] really picking up the movement right
[00:09:29.600] particular type of airplane. It probably
[00:09:31.040] would have been for that size and those
[00:09:32.640] lights, you know, you're talking about
[00:09:34.240] coming in landing still over 100 miles
[00:09:36.000] an hour. So, you're going to be making
[00:09:37.440] some ground
[00:09:39.279] as you go and just wasn't seeing it. I
[00:09:42.080] considered it being a helicopter. Um,
[00:09:44.560] you know, I rolled the window down. I'm
[00:09:46.320] watching the clock. I'm not hearing what
[00:09:49.120] I need to hear, but it's the only thing
[00:09:50.880] that really would make sense.
[00:09:54.000] Um there's just, you know, you can't
[00:09:57.120] just have lights above the grass, you
[00:09:59.680] know, 50 foot and staying there that
[00:10:02.640] big. So
[00:10:04.800] kind of started working our way down
[00:10:06.399] there. I mean, it wasn't actually this
[00:10:08.240] like guns ablazing sort of scenario. It
[00:10:11.120] was a very,
[00:10:12.959] you know, methodical,
[00:10:15.120] let's slowly creep that way. We're
[00:10:16.959] talking back and forth, you know, are
[00:10:18.399] you seen it move? You know, I mean, like
[00:10:19.680] it was a was a slow process. So, uh, we
[00:10:23.680] did kind of figure out that it was
[00:10:24.959] tracking away from us, but not at a rate
[00:10:28.720] where it it had left by the time we got
[00:10:31.680] there. We were still moving slow, mind
[00:10:33.440] you.
[00:10:34.959] So, as you get up to it, you can tell
[00:10:36.560] it's, you know, craft.
[00:10:39.279] And that's what the lights are. There's
[00:10:41.600] no uh there's no um, you know, 50 foot
[00:10:46.000] up. Nothing under it's moving. You know,
[00:10:47.519] there's a little tree under it. The
[00:10:48.720] leaves aren't moving. Grass isn't
[00:10:50.399] moving.
[00:10:52.079] Uh, so then the question becomes, what
[00:10:54.399] is this? And I didn't immediately say to
[00:10:57.440] myself, oh, this is US tech. I mean, it
[00:11:00.640] was really like, what in the hell is
[00:11:03.440] going on here, right? I mean, it it
[00:11:05.360] doesn't make sense.
[00:11:07.680] So, I was kind of thinking like, well,
[00:11:10.240] whatever this is, there's got to be some
[00:11:11.920] sort of response team.
[00:11:14.560] either our people who didn't know what
[00:11:16.800] it was or whoever it was, you know, knew
[00:11:20.079] there was an issue. So, we still sat
[00:11:23.040] kind of looking at it, talking back and
[00:11:24.640] forth. Um, you know, making observations
[00:11:28.399] on it. I did turn So, we're pointing at
[00:11:31.279] it. Put the brights on. It didn't really
[00:11:33.200] light up absorbing the light to a
[00:11:36.640] certain point. Not, you know, not what
[00:11:39.040] you would think when you turn your
[00:11:40.000] bright headlights on. You know, that's
[00:11:41.760] normally what would be nice and bright.
[00:11:44.000] So,
[00:11:45.600] um, there was no response to you. So, it
[00:11:48.320] was kind of one of the things where it
[00:11:49.680] was like, "Let's get out." I mean, this
[00:11:52.880] is going to sound weird, but it felt
[00:11:54.560] safe. I know that sounds like a weird
[00:11:56.240] thing to say, but it wasn't like there
[00:11:58.399] was electricity and smoke coming off of
[00:12:00.079] it, like it's going to blow or
[00:12:01.200] something, you know?
[00:12:03.360] And it was nice and quiet, kind of
[00:12:04.959] humming. So, we ended up getting out.
[00:12:08.079] And I do have to be a little careful
[00:12:09.200] what I say, but like, you know, you got
[00:12:10.880] one shot, you got the equipment in the
[00:12:13.120] van. It's not like your farmer Bob out
[00:12:14.720] in Phil, which is the normal story,
[00:12:17.200] right?
[00:12:18.720] You got a shot, go ahead and take it.
[00:12:20.399] So, and I got to be kind of careful like
[00:12:21.839] I go into, but that's what we did. So,
[00:12:24.560] that was the first case. Um,
[00:12:28.160] as I've said, you know, you're kind of
[00:12:30.560] looking at it and thinking like, okay,
[00:12:33.279] we've got everything we possibly get.
[00:12:35.279] You're going on like 10 minutes here
[00:12:37.279] being outside with it.
[00:12:39.760] >> Can you can you tell us what size it
[00:12:41.360] was, though? and the the shape as well.
[00:12:44.639] Just for people,
[00:12:45.839] >> about a 40 foot wingspan, so you could
[00:12:48.480] say fighter jet, but it' be a small
[00:12:50.000] fighter jet size. Um, but that's kind of
[00:12:52.240] what the
[00:12:54.000] what you'd be looking at. Um,
[00:12:55.920] >> and shape,
[00:12:58.160] >> uh, if you look at the F-17, which I'm
[00:13:00.959] only going to say this because Tim
[00:13:02.560] Phillips has mentioned this, the
[00:13:05.440] underneath matches up quite a bit. So,
[00:13:07.680] it's not a perfect triangle. You kind of
[00:13:10.160] have a triangle that comes in and then
[00:13:11.680] another smaller triangle in the middle
[00:13:13.920] that goes out.
[00:13:16.000] >> Okay. And the equipment you had on you
[00:13:19.040] was for recording.
[00:13:22.000] >> Yeah, we had Well, we had quite a bit on
[00:13:24.079] us. Um,
[00:13:26.000] so just when I say I got to be careful
[00:13:27.680] what I say because I want to make this
[00:13:30.639] understandable to people because I keep
[00:13:32.160] hearing this in this whole space of UFO
[00:13:34.480] Twitter. You know, I get calls as well
[00:13:38.079] as text messages because they have my
[00:13:40.800] number now and it'll be the FBI or
[00:13:42.959] somebody and they will reference the
[00:13:44.399] exact tweet they want to talk about
[00:13:47.600] or interview I did. So, you know, I
[00:13:50.800] haven't committed any uh crimes, right?
[00:13:53.200] And I haven't robbed anybody, anything
[00:13:54.959] like this. But you always have to be
[00:13:56.959] worried about what you say because maybe
[00:13:58.959] a small slap on the hand can turn into
[00:14:00.880] something much larger if needed for
[00:14:03.440] leverage. And I've been through that
[00:14:05.440] with arrow, right? So it does actually
[00:14:07.920] happen. You got to be careful here. So
[00:14:10.800] it would be things to pick up
[00:14:13.600] um readings to do with power, power
[00:14:16.959] quality. Um you know, when you think of
[00:14:19.680] a thermal camo, that's actually
[00:14:21.360] radiation. It's not heat. Um so a lot of
[00:14:26.160] just high dollar high-tech
[00:14:28.639] equipment.
[00:14:29.279] >> Okay. Okay. Um there was an incident
[00:14:32.639] that I um where you guys uh either uh
[00:14:37.600] threw a rock at it and something fell or
[00:14:42.240] it that is really confusing to me. So
[00:14:44.260] [laughter]
[00:14:44.959] mind clarifying that part for for us?
[00:14:47.040] >> Yeah, I should I'm glad you brought that
[00:14:48.560] up. So
[00:14:51.279] put yourself a little bit in my shoes
[00:14:52.880] actually. So you're looking at this
[00:14:54.720] thing.
[00:14:56.560] Nothing's moving under it. It's got a
[00:14:58.880] bit of a hum, a little bit of a buzz.
[00:15:00.639] You know, if you get on YouTube and you
[00:15:02.079] look up like arcing and corona, it's
[00:15:04.560] kind of like that. Um, if you don't have
[00:15:07.199] an electrical background, this won't
[00:15:08.639] mean anything. But there's a thing
[00:15:10.000] called a dry transformer, which is
[00:15:11.760] usually green and it'll be somewhere
[00:15:14.399] inside the building a lot of times in
[00:15:16.480] your bigger buildings and they'll have a
[00:15:17.839] little like yellow blockade around it,
[00:15:19.680] but you can never get around one that's
[00:15:21.279] quiet. It's got kind of like a hum and
[00:15:24.000] that's kind of what the sound is like.
[00:15:27.040] So there's the same thing. You got no
[00:15:29.839] means of propulsion, right? If it was a
[00:15:32.320] helicopter, you would be blinded. The
[00:15:34.800] wash would have knocked you over. You're
[00:15:37.040] talking about leaves on a tree not
[00:15:38.560] moving.
[00:15:40.320] So there is the question of
[00:15:44.320] what is it? What is it made of? Almost
[00:15:47.519] of is it there? Not in the sense of am I
[00:15:50.000] seeing things, but what sort of
[00:15:52.639] technology is this? Right? So, if you
[00:15:55.839] threw something at it, first and
[00:15:57.600] foremost, what would be the sound that
[00:16:00.320] you would hear?
[00:16:02.079] >> Would it be a metal clank, right?
[00:16:04.320] >> Yeah, probably.
[00:16:05.680] >> Would it absorb it? Would it be more
[00:16:07.519] like, you know, um carbon fiber? Um
[00:16:11.440] would a shield go up and it never get to
[00:16:13.360] it? Would it go through it? I mean, you
[00:16:15.839] know, these are questions that are
[00:16:17.040] actually more of an engineering
[00:16:18.560] question. Even though when you hear
[00:16:19.680] like, "Oh, you threw a rock at it."
[00:16:21.680] sounds like, you know,
[00:16:24.240] uh, a caveman or something, you know,
[00:16:26.160] with a pterodactyl above him. But
[00:16:27.839] there's some questions that could have
[00:16:28.880] been answered by that. So that's what
[00:16:31.680] the decision
[00:16:34.000] was made from.
[00:16:36.000] Um, and it's there, you know, rock.
[00:16:39.040] >> So you you you threw something at it,
[00:16:41.279] you hit it, and something fell and you
[00:16:44.320] picked that up. Is that right?
[00:16:46.480] >> It is. However, it's not necessarily
[00:16:48.800] like um I throw a rock at you and I hit
[00:16:52.320] that um cabinet behind you and something
[00:16:54.480] off the cabinet or the cabinet falls
[00:16:56.000] over. It's not so much that it was
[00:16:57.680] exactly related like it was such a poor
[00:17:01.600] quality make that I threw it and the
[00:17:05.280] part that I hit fell off
[00:17:06.480] instantaneously. It's just part of a
[00:17:08.799] series of events which we believe have
[00:17:11.760] more to do with a failure of the craft
[00:17:16.640] and its ability to do what needed to do
[00:17:18.799] to take off and fly, not the rock, the
[00:17:21.839] piece falling off.
[00:17:24.720] >> Okay. So, it must have been really
[00:17:26.640] really close for you to actually hit it.
[00:17:29.840] Um, can you can you talk about the piece
[00:17:33.039] that fell off? Um, the consistency. Was
[00:17:37.039] it a panel? What did you use it for? If
[00:17:41.120] if you can talk a little bit about that.
[00:17:43.760] >> Yeah, a little bit about it. So, just so
[00:17:45.760] I'm I'm clear on this, every part of
[00:17:48.720] that is on file at um SSCI
[00:17:53.679] and Arrow.
[00:17:55.039] >> Um so, this wasn't things that was
[00:17:56.640] withheld from them, but because of the
[00:17:58.799] trouble that has grew from there, I am a
[00:18:02.000] little bit cautious. However, the piece
[00:18:04.720] that came down um was a lot like a
[00:18:08.320] smaller piece. It wasn't um the length
[00:18:11.679] of the 40ft craft or something.
[00:18:13.862] [clears throat] So, a panel is a good
[00:18:15.679] way to describe it.
[00:18:18.799] >> Okay. Okay. Um and
[00:18:23.200] uh subsequently because you you took
[00:18:25.600] images or video I don't know what you
[00:18:27.440] did back then that is what remains uh
[00:18:31.520] classified after you went into the skiff
[00:18:33.679] correct
[00:18:35.440] >> we brought in um a lot because keep in
[00:18:39.679] mind you're talking about over two
[00:18:41.120] decades.
[00:18:42.559] Yeah.
[00:18:43.120] >> And Berles has mentioned um on uh I want
[00:18:48.160] to say it was uh
[00:18:50.880] Tim Cool maybe. I'll have to think that
[00:18:52.799] Timcast um that I was speaking to him uh
[00:18:56.960] without using my name and that you know
[00:18:59.039] I told him there was three different
[00:19:00.240] models, a first gen, a second gen and
[00:19:03.120] then a third gen.
[00:19:05.360] Uh which of course essentially is the
[00:19:07.679] one same clip that Joe Rogan played. um
[00:19:11.360] and then refer to me as the [ __ ]
[00:19:14.240] because he wanted me to show him. But
[00:19:16.480] point being, so we try to show them the
[00:19:18.240] whole history. So when you do that,
[00:19:19.679] there's multiple
[00:19:22.400] photos, there's multiple videos. When
[00:19:25.360] you get into the higher
[00:19:28.240] resolution, the higher quality, as our
[00:19:31.360] system develops and as the story is of
[00:19:34.000] what we're trying to, you know, sell
[00:19:35.280] with the government,
[00:19:37.360] obviously you get into a lot better
[00:19:40.320] angles, you get into a lot higher
[00:19:42.320] technology, things like drones, uh,
[00:19:45.679] better camera equipment, as you can
[00:19:47.200] imagine, from the early 2000s to now.
[00:19:49.679] And so, you know, when you get into
[00:19:51.440] things like you hear of the 4K, that's
[00:19:54.240] later on in the process of
[00:19:57.200] what we were doing.
[00:19:59.360] >> Yeah. 4K is like 2018 until now kind of
[00:20:03.919] appeared, right? Um,
[00:20:06.960] sort of like you're talking later
[00:20:08.880] generations of this particular crap.
[00:20:11.280] But, you know, as you can imagine, what
[00:20:12.799] they wanted to know was, well, okay,
[00:20:15.360] well then we want to see the first gen,
[00:20:17.039] second gen, third gen, right? I mean
[00:20:19.520] that's the whole what we were I would
[00:20:22.559] say contracted to do but there wasn't a
[00:20:25.120] contract we weren't paid but that was
[00:20:26.880] definitely the assignment we were given
[00:20:28.799] by SSCI which was to go out
[00:20:32.640] and they had a particular list of what
[00:20:34.720] they wanted and that's what we went out
[00:20:36.480] and got.
[00:20:37.760] >> So they have it all classified. They
[00:20:40.240] didn't leave you with anything. And also
[00:20:43.120] uh if they did leave you with something
[00:20:45.840] uh the other stuff that is already
[00:20:47.280] classified, does that mean that the
[00:20:49.200] other stuff you have, if you have
[00:20:50.880] something is also classified or that's
[00:20:54.240] not classified? Just it's uh case by
[00:20:57.039] case, document by document, video by
[00:20:59.120] video. How does that work?
[00:21:00.240] >> It gets it gets complicated. That's the
[00:21:02.000] problem of how it works is no one seems
[00:21:03.520] to know. Um,
[00:21:05.840] >> okay.
[00:21:06.559] >> When we went into the skiff,
[00:21:09.360] you know, this is, keep in mind, we went
[00:21:10.960] in uh we I've been talking to for quite
[00:21:12.880] a while in 23 when I finally went to the
[00:21:15.120] skiff in May of 23.
[00:21:18.000] >> And then the last time I was in the
[00:21:19.360] skiff was January of this year, 25.
[00:21:22.880] Um, and then we were talking before and
[00:21:25.200] after that quite a bit. So, you know,
[00:21:27.200] this was a long process. And so
[00:21:32.159] through this whole process going into
[00:21:34.480] the skiff and I didn't really think
[00:21:36.960] about it or occurred to me at the time,
[00:21:39.679] but they did mention we were the only
[00:21:41.200] people without clearance to ever have
[00:21:44.080] been in that skiff. Uh my father and I
[00:21:46.640] and our other teammates that would come
[00:21:47.919] in there.
[00:21:49.679] And you know, I mean, we're not looking
[00:21:51.200] for accolades, right? We were in the
[00:21:52.799] shadows until all this this happened. So
[00:21:56.559] it would appear that they broke some of
[00:21:58.640] their own rules and laws about being in
[00:22:03.360] a skiff
[00:22:05.039] with the folders that came out marked
[00:22:06.799] TSSEI.
[00:22:08.400] So with that said,
[00:22:13.600] at the level we're at right, you don't
[00:22:16.720] get into trouble. The SSCI is the boss
[00:22:20.240] of the intelligence
[00:22:22.320] community.
[00:22:24.400] they're not going to be investigated by
[00:22:26.640] the FBI or something like that. They
[00:22:29.039] they do what they want to do. People
[00:22:30.799] don't like to hear that, but it's just
[00:22:34.000] it's the way things work, right? So,
[00:22:37.840] you know, I didn't file like a report on
[00:22:39.840] them or think anything about it. I
[00:22:41.360] actually understood it because when
[00:22:42.799] you're dealing with technology
[00:22:45.120] of this level, they just did what they
[00:22:47.039] normally do, which is classified. But we
[00:22:52.000] were never asked about this. We were
[00:22:53.679] never consulted about it. When we did
[00:22:56.640] finally ask their legal, who was in the
[00:22:59.200] skip with us, uh, how this all works,
[00:23:03.200] they basically said, "We'll get back to
[00:23:05.200] you. We've got to figure out how it all
[00:23:08.240] works." And still to this day, we don't
[00:23:09.919] have an answer
[00:23:11.919] back.
[00:23:12.240] >> Damn.
[00:23:13.200] >> So that's the mess we're in.
[00:23:15.919] >> Damn. And um based on your interactions
[00:23:19.360] with uh SECI, because you interacted
[00:23:22.240] both with senators and with staffers, um
[00:23:25.679] I keep hearing that staffers have sort
[00:23:28.880] of like I'm not going to say uh more
[00:23:31.120] power, but sort of like the final say
[00:23:34.159] over senators in some cases. Is that
[00:23:38.240] real? Is that true? Do you think
[00:23:41.039] >> it depends on the committee and it
[00:23:43.840] depends on
[00:23:46.960] the senator? So, does it happen? Yeah.
[00:23:50.320] Um,
[00:23:52.159] you know, in in SSCI, I'm not going to
[00:23:55.120] mention his name here because he does,
[00:23:56.799] you know, he's he's living a good life
[00:23:58.559] in private industry, but
[00:24:01.200] everything was fine. Even with other
[00:24:03.600] folks's stories, the whistleblowers um
[00:24:06.240] have come out until the gentleman
[00:24:08.240] retired and was replaced by new staff.
[00:24:12.000] That's literally when everybody's
[00:24:13.679] problems
[00:24:15.520] started to happen. And the difference
[00:24:17.760] was the staff that came in
[00:24:21.360] was already SSCI staff, had been in the
[00:24:24.000] skip with me the whole time. Even though
[00:24:25.600] they weren't assigned the senator
[00:24:27.440] rounds,
[00:24:29.360] they weren't fans of this. And not only
[00:24:32.320] were they not fans of it, the senators
[00:24:35.039] that they worked for also were not fans
[00:24:38.400] of it. You know, people have this naive
[00:24:40.799] idea that all these senators sat around
[00:24:43.360] the skiff and were like,
[00:24:45.600] you know, oh my god, this is this is
[00:24:47.440] here. Let's look at it. They just don't.
[00:24:50.880] Big ones
[00:24:52.799] were briefed. I know Rubio was briefed.
[00:24:56.159] I know both the chair and the co-chair
[00:24:57.840] were briefed. Um,
[00:25:00.880] I did some of the briefings, you know,
[00:25:02.640] myself for some of these senators as
[00:25:04.320] well.
[00:25:06.159] It was taken seriously,
[00:25:08.559] but
[00:25:10.799] these senators
[00:25:13.919] rely on their staff and they rely on
[00:25:16.240] their staff because their staff is
[00:25:17.760] supposed to be the expert.
[00:25:21.279] Like when I would go in and give them
[00:25:22.960] information,
[00:25:25.120] that high level staffer who I was
[00:25:27.440] dealing with, you know, the minority
[00:25:29.600] majority lead of SSCI staffs,
[00:25:32.880] they would already know who to call and
[00:25:34.320] what department, you know, to verify
[00:25:36.640] things, double check things, and then
[00:25:38.320] they get back to the Zoom. So,
[00:25:41.679] it it can happen. Yeah. If you run into
[00:25:43.919] staff that wants this to end, it'll end.
[00:25:47.360] And one of the things I said when um
[00:25:51.520] Representative Burlesen was saying he
[00:25:53.200] was going to he had one last shot at
[00:25:55.760] this Senate was to get the four corners
[00:25:57.360] on is that it'll never happen. It wasn't
[00:25:59.360] a shot at Berlesson. I explained it
[00:26:01.200] actually on my YouTube. I said Senator
[00:26:04.559] Cotton I know for a fact hates
[00:26:07.840] everything to do with UAPs.
[00:26:11.200] He always has. I've dealt with him
[00:26:13.679] personally. He always will. doesn't want
[00:26:16.240] to hear about UFOs, UAPs. He hates the
[00:26:18.880] term. And then whatever it was two,
[00:26:20.559] three weeks later, it was when Asapole
[00:26:22.480] did that interview with Gillibrand. And
[00:26:25.360] she says in there, "Oh, we changed the
[00:26:27.600] language." I think it was Senator
[00:26:28.880] Cotton. Didn't like the language. Like,
[00:26:30.799] yeah, [laughter]
[00:26:32.640] that's him. And that's why you're in
[00:26:34.159] trouble right now with folks trying to
[00:26:35.760] work the plan here on is because Cotton
[00:26:38.720] is very important in that position he's
[00:26:41.039] at. He's going to shut down anything
[00:26:42.400] UAP. Do you think it's because he
[00:26:45.200] doesn't like it or is it because of
[00:26:47.440] probably something else, some other
[00:26:49.919] agenda that he may have? Because um
[00:26:53.600] feels kind of a copout that oh, he
[00:26:55.360] doesn't like the term, that's why he's
[00:26:56.960] making it very difficult for things to
[00:26:58.960] move along. Um don't you feel like it
[00:27:02.159] that maybe there could be something else
[00:27:05.120] going on? Well, you know, we're getting
[00:27:07.200] into that gray area where I couldn't
[00:27:09.039] know. But what I will say is, and I've
[00:27:11.520] mentioned this several times, and people
[00:27:13.039] don't understand it, what was said about
[00:27:16.080] people that came in and talked about
[00:27:18.320] NHI, logics, anything like that was a
[00:27:23.279] absolute laughing joke
[00:27:26.159] to the committee. And that includes the
[00:27:28.480] senators, even the ones you think are on
[00:27:31.760] your side.
[00:27:33.279] Well, I can't tell you why, but if you
[00:27:35.840] go back to Jillbrand, right, there's
[00:27:37.440] that clip of her where she's doing the
[00:27:38.880] thing at the um it's like a gazebo or
[00:27:41.360] something and she's talking about
[00:27:43.679] basically David Rush, right? One guy
[00:27:45.679] came in talking about and she's laughing
[00:27:47.279] it up. Um that's that's the real that's
[00:27:52.480] the real thing. I mean, that's really
[00:27:53.919] how it went. It's not just her, it's
[00:27:55.679] across the board.
[00:27:57.840] So what you're me is that the majority
[00:28:00.960] of people from SSCI
[00:28:03.360] um think that this is also just tech and
[00:28:06.880] they're really skeptical about any NHI
[00:28:09.360] or biologics claims. Correct.
[00:28:12.880] >> First time I heard about David Gush, I
[00:28:15.679] was getting ready to go into a skip.
[00:28:18.320] That was before he came out and did his
[00:28:20.480] um News Nation. And what I was told is
[00:28:25.600] that basically nobody believed him and
[00:28:28.240] then they recorrected it and say maybe
[00:28:30.159] like two or three people did but they
[00:28:32.640] didn't believe him. So
[00:28:34.480] >> okay,
[00:28:35.200] >> that's the honest to God truth. That's
[00:28:37.279] not me taking a shot at Gush. By the
[00:28:39.279] way, I'm just telling you this is what
[00:28:41.840] you look back at what's going on, right?
[00:28:43.600] Everybody says, "Well, the Senate is all
[00:28:45.279] drones and this and that. Over in the
[00:28:46.799] House, they're doing NHI. It's like two
[00:28:48.799] different worlds." Yeah, it really was.
[00:28:53.360] Okay. So, for example, um Rubio, who
[00:28:56.640] recently was on Fox and he basically uh
[00:29:00.000] took a just a small little walk back to
[00:29:03.120] a lot of the things he said on Age of
[00:29:04.720] Disclosure. Um do you think that he
[00:29:07.440] probably was one of those senators that
[00:29:09.120] didn't believe Grush at the beginning?
[00:29:11.840] >> Uh I don't want to throw that on any
[00:29:13.919] senator. I don't know. What I'll say is
[00:29:16.320] from what I was told and no there wasn't
[00:29:19.039] files thrown in front of me of other
[00:29:20.640] people's investigations, but I was in
[00:29:23.360] deep with these guys for two and a half
[00:29:25.039] years. I mean, when we would bring stuff
[00:29:27.520] in, they'd want we'd have a celebration
[00:29:29.200] and skiff and pizza late at night and
[00:29:31.200] I'm talking about with sitting senators.
[00:29:32.960] Um,
[00:29:34.799] I wasn't deep with these guys, you know,
[00:29:36.559] we'd head out to the pub when I was in
[00:29:38.159] town for the couple days, you know,
[00:29:40.159] before or after. I mean, basically what
[00:29:42.880] I was told was that all they got was
[00:29:46.799] stories from the individuals
[00:29:50.240] presenting information about what would
[00:29:53.120] be awful over NHI
[00:29:55.840] technology.
[00:29:57.360] So, I can't say that they didn't believe
[00:30:00.799] him, although that it was like a
[00:30:02.080] laughing joke [clears throat] to them,
[00:30:03.600] but you didn't really force them to have
[00:30:06.480] to believe you. Now, keep in mind, as I
[00:30:10.000] said at the beginning, if you don't go
[00:30:12.399] to Arrow,
[00:30:14.480] then it's over because the only way
[00:30:17.039] whatever you present is going to be
[00:30:18.960] investigated and reported back to SSCI
[00:30:22.720] is if you go to Arrow. And that was the
[00:30:25.120] problem. They said nobody was going to
[00:30:26.960] Arrow. So, it is what it is. It's a
[00:30:30.000] system of a of a broken system. But,
[00:30:33.200] >> so that changed uh with the FBI, right?
[00:30:35.760] because um I've been talking to a few
[00:30:38.240] other people who have come forward
[00:30:40.640] throughout the decades. Um the people
[00:30:43.360] from the uh nuclear connection to all of
[00:30:46.320] this stuff um they claim that the FBI
[00:30:49.200] has been paying them visits. Um they
[00:30:52.080] seem to be very active behind the
[00:30:53.679] scenes. Um so now it kind of seems like
[00:30:56.960] Arrow is not the only one uh
[00:30:59.360] investigating this right now. Correct.
[00:31:03.200] >> Yeah. Um I don't know the full um
[00:31:08.159] history of it but you know Tim Phelps
[00:31:10.640] where he kind of left some of his
[00:31:12.000] remarks was that um you know at one
[00:31:14.720] point in time they gave that to the FBI
[00:31:16.399] and they had FBI embedded with them and
[00:31:18.159] this and that which is funny because I
[00:31:20.399] spoke to the FBI and it's the complete
[00:31:22.399] opposite of the story. Um the FBI and
[00:31:26.720] Arrow do not have a working relationship
[00:31:29.679] on UAPs.
[00:31:32.880] Okay.
[00:31:33.360] >> Trying to So anything I said to SSCI or
[00:31:36.159] Arrow basically the FBI can't
[00:31:39.039] >> get a hold of it's at that level. So
[00:31:40.960] people should understand
[00:31:43.120] >> that and they acknowledge that the
[00:31:46.159] gentleman I talked to was leading the
[00:31:47.840] FBI investigation. We have each other's
[00:31:50.080] phone number. We text as weird as that
[00:31:52.080] sounds. Seems like a pretty decent guy
[00:31:56.720] by all means. um he's going into it the
[00:31:59.760] right way where you know Arrow was just
[00:32:04.320] a mess. Um even as this guy was a mess,
[00:32:07.360] he's trying to go into it from a
[00:32:08.880] personal level.
[00:32:10.799] You know, let people freely talk. Uh I
[00:32:13.919] mean, he seemed like a good guy, but
[00:32:16.799] um you know, I don't want to throw him
[00:32:18.240] under the bus, but he's got his he's got
[00:32:22.399] his work cut out for him. um you know
[00:32:25.679] the leader of the SSCI
[00:32:29.039] UAP investigation and both Dr. Kurpatre
[00:32:31.919] and he actually said he said it publicly
[00:32:33.679] as well. This was the hardest
[00:32:35.360] investigation both of them said that
[00:32:36.880] they'd ever done in their careers.
[00:32:38.399] You're talking about pretty storied
[00:32:41.600] careers. And so I shared that with the
[00:32:44.240] FBI um gentleman leading this that you
[00:32:48.240] know you got your work cut out for him.
[00:32:49.679] He knows he does. But yeah, I think he's
[00:32:52.000] trying to track down everyone Ariel
[00:32:53.519] talked to. I think he's trying to track
[00:32:54.960] down everyone SI talked to because he
[00:32:57.519] can't get that information and then try
[00:33:00.159] and now do his own investigation.
[00:33:03.679] >> Okay. Um, I heard something about uh you
[00:33:08.640] giving uh them some sort of an object so
[00:33:12.399] they can run tests on it and then you
[00:33:14.559] got it back. Is there any chance you can
[00:33:17.120] talk to us about that a little bit more?
[00:33:19.039] And is this object the same one that
[00:33:20.799] fell when you hit that thing with the
[00:33:23.039] rock or is it different?
[00:33:25.039] >> Well, so it'll be objects kind of like
[00:33:26.960] there's photos with an s and videos with
[00:33:29.120] an s. So it's objects is in plural.
[00:33:32.559] >> Okay.
[00:33:33.200] >> Um
[00:33:35.200] you know an Easter egg here uh up if
[00:33:38.159] it's up on the podcast is my new photo
[00:33:40.320] and of course I'm blacked out. Um
[00:33:42.960] there's an object that's going to be my
[00:33:44.720] left hand. Uh if you've ever been into
[00:33:47.120] the heart center building, you'll know.
[00:33:48.399] If you haven't, it's not a big deal.
[00:33:49.600] I'll explain it. You don't get to walk
[00:33:51.919] in there um with an object like that.
[00:33:55.360] You have to go through metal detector,
[00:33:57.519] all the normal sort of thing. So,
[00:34:01.760] uh and then the people with me are
[00:34:04.640] holding the rest of the of the objects
[00:34:06.559] in a carrying case. I brought that one
[00:34:08.000] out just to get a photo proof, which
[00:34:10.560] came in handy later on. But things were
[00:34:13.520] brought in. They wanted to know what's
[00:34:15.520] the special sauce. They wanted to see
[00:34:17.359] things. They want to know how did it
[00:34:18.800] work. I mean it was a very very long
[00:34:21.760] process with them. They explained
[00:34:23.679] everything that we had and we've done
[00:34:25.919] over these two plus decades. So um we
[00:34:29.919] ran into a problem at the end of getting
[00:34:32.240] back what we had left with them that
[00:34:33.679] they'd asked for us to leave with them
[00:34:35.040] in the in the skiff save.
[00:34:38.480] And that's where my relationship a
[00:34:41.119] little bit before that started. um Ivan
[00:34:44.639] Hell and that's what he helped me
[00:34:48.000] pull back. So everything's back in our
[00:34:50.800] possession now.
[00:34:53.200] >> Okay. Uh these objects um what are they?
[00:34:59.119] >> Well, they're the answer to what is the
[00:35:02.000] material, what is the coding, what's the
[00:35:04.480] secret sauce of how this works and how
[00:35:06.480] that works. Um
[00:35:08.480] >> okay. So, so wait, wait,
[00:35:10.320] >> because uh you have you seem to have
[00:35:12.480] like a sort of like a tracking
[00:35:15.920] system so you can take photos and videos
[00:35:18.480] of these things in the sky, right? That
[00:35:21.040] you claim are you believe are uh US
[00:35:24.000] tech, but you're talking also about
[00:35:26.800] these objects that seem to be the secret
[00:35:29.440] sauce for the tracking system or for
[00:35:32.560] something else uh energy or
[00:35:35.680] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um,
[00:35:38.079] so just as a maybe an easier way to
[00:35:41.040] explain it, there was a
[00:35:45.119] craft, although it's most likely US Tech
[00:35:47.520] that went down over by Area 51 here
[00:35:50.000] recently.
[00:35:51.359] >> You know, the does the Dreamland covers
[00:35:53.440] it.
[00:35:54.079] >> So he investigating that because they
[00:35:57.040] discovered at the end of it there
[00:35:58.720] appeared to be some sort of um someone
[00:36:02.240] had been there. there was a old piece of
[00:36:04.000] another craft laying on it and things
[00:36:05.520] and it just it didn't add up. But that
[00:36:08.000] said, if you read that article
[00:36:10.720] from the war zone and others, they all
[00:36:12.400] have the same thing in there, which is
[00:36:13.680] they say US tech loses parts and pieces
[00:36:16.480] all the time, especially newer ones,
[00:36:18.880] especially when you're pushing the
[00:36:20.560] physical limits of performance. So the
[00:36:24.240] tracking is its own system. the parts
[00:36:26.720] and pieces have to do with the you
[00:36:29.440] exactly what's in those articles, which
[00:36:31.200] is that parts and pieces do indeed come
[00:36:34.720] up.
[00:36:37.599] >> Okay. And and how does um
[00:36:42.240] uh with the tracking system, is it like
[00:36:45.359] sort of like a radar? Is it like um
[00:36:49.359] something of high altitude? Something
[00:36:51.680] that's in the sea? Can you speak a
[00:36:54.400] little bit about that? just
[00:36:55.680] peripherally, not necessarily directly.
[00:36:58.960] >> Yeah. So, the the peripheral vision is
[00:37:00.800] there's layers and the layers depend on
[00:37:04.480] what part of the process we're in. It
[00:37:06.160] also depends on what we can do at that
[00:37:08.720] location. You know, not every location
[00:37:10.640] is a playground um to do things that may
[00:37:14.160] involve stuff we use like high altitude
[00:37:16.720] or drone or drones. Um but the idea of
[00:37:20.720] radar at the very very beginning is has
[00:37:24.000] nothing to do with a dish. The first
[00:37:25.839] part of radar is an algorithm which is
[00:37:29.280] can you essentially figure out what is
[00:37:31.280] the path and why is it flying at this
[00:37:34.720] time. You may have things to do with the
[00:37:37.440] weather, the nighttime hours, you know,
[00:37:40.480] the moon coverage. And then what you're
[00:37:42.480] trying to do is see if you can get
[00:37:43.920] lightning to strike twice, three times,
[00:37:46.240] four times, and then you discover you
[00:37:48.480] have some things that feed into the
[00:37:49.920] algorithm.
[00:37:51.599] One of the things that's been said, um,
[00:37:53.839] I know Kirk Patrick mentioned it, and
[00:37:56.000] I'm pretty sure the rest of the
[00:37:58.000] directors did too, but they've said,
[00:38:00.400] "For those of you that have the, you
[00:38:03.280] know, sighting or witness sighting and
[00:38:05.040] you haven't come public, thank you." And
[00:38:07.599] what a lot of that has to do with is
[00:38:10.800] if they were to release
[00:38:13.440] on the US tech side dates and times and
[00:38:16.640] GPS coordinates and things like that
[00:38:18.720] being the one for the NITS is already
[00:38:20.320] public. You start putting that into an
[00:38:22.720] algorithm and answers start to reveal
[00:38:26.640] themselves.
[00:38:28.240] Now technology has developed quite a bit
[00:38:30.560] since then and it's not as easy as it
[00:38:31.920] used to be but algorithm was the first.
[00:38:34.800] So you got to know some paths and
[00:38:36.079] routes. got to know some flight
[00:38:37.359] characteristics
[00:38:38.880] and then it becomes a signature. Um, you
[00:38:42.079] know, some of the drone flaps, one of
[00:38:43.599] the things that has been said, although
[00:38:45.200] not correct, is that maybe they're
[00:38:47.200] looking for a nuclear weapon. Well, if
[00:38:50.160] you were to look for something like that
[00:38:51.839] or even just material, you could fly a
[00:38:54.960] drone or there's actual planes they have
[00:38:56.720] made for it. But
[00:38:58.320] >> in in all the world that we have, you
[00:39:00.400] could still pick it up because you know
[00:39:01.920] exactly what the signature is that
[00:39:04.320] you're looking for. That's what your
[00:39:05.599] sensors too. It's exact.
[00:39:09.599] >> That's interesting. Okay. Thank you for
[00:39:12.079] the breakdown on that because I was
[00:39:13.760] really confused on how the tracking
[00:39:16.480] system worked a little bit and um I
[00:39:19.920] really wanted to talk to you about this
[00:39:21.839] about that those objects though. Um is
[00:39:24.880] it fair to say that they are some sort
[00:39:27.119] of a mineral or something like that?
[00:39:30.480] >> Well, you go into what is it made of?
[00:39:33.440] Because again, keep in mind this is not
[00:39:35.520] just um this is 2 and 1/2 years
[00:39:38.240] basically. So you we've gone through
[00:39:40.079] everything for them. And part of that
[00:39:42.560] was is you get into things like what is
[00:39:46.160] it made of? I don't think it's any big
[00:39:48.240] um surprise. It's going to be what's
[00:39:50.079] known as a earth mineral element because
[00:39:53.440] you want to immediately know where else
[00:39:55.440] is that located that can China dig that
[00:39:57.920] up in their homeland? Can Russia dig
[00:39:59.359] that up? Can North Korea dig that up?
[00:40:01.200] How much of it do we have? Right. That's
[00:40:03.839] the special saw. So that's kind of where
[00:40:06.720] it got to. Not just what is this? Let's
[00:40:09.680] look at it. Do all. It's have you had it
[00:40:12.079] tested. What's in it? You know, you
[00:40:14.400] know, that's the process of breaking
[00:40:16.800] things down to that level.
[00:40:19.200] >> Interesting. You say dig it up. So it
[00:40:21.359] must be something that is probably in
[00:40:23.920] the mind or something. Um, interesting.
[00:40:27.760] Um, I'm going to tell you now where I
[00:40:30.000] disagree with you. Um because I I don't
[00:40:32.560] know if you've explored this before, but
[00:40:35.280] um there's just a lot of different
[00:40:38.560] accounts throughout history of people
[00:40:41.520] who claim to have uh interactions with
[00:40:45.359] something, right? And uh since the 60s
[00:40:48.960] at least, there's been accounts of
[00:40:51.520] people who um claim to have been
[00:40:54.960] abducted. Uh many of them do have
[00:40:57.119] implants that have been taken out of
[00:40:58.800] them. Um, some of them uh haven't been
[00:41:02.800] taken out. They still they're still
[00:41:04.800] walking around with them. Um, how do you
[00:41:08.800] explain that? If you if you think that
[00:41:11.440] um this tech is just humanmade,
[00:41:15.440] uh, how do you explain all of those
[00:41:16.960] accounts? What do you think that is?
[00:41:19.119] Have you ever thought about it?
[00:41:22.079] This came up a little bit um last night
[00:41:24.960] and one of the points I made was we keep
[00:41:28.160] skipping around and so one of the points
[00:41:30.800] that was made is folks are waiting for
[00:41:33.520] you know a craft to land on the White
[00:41:35.760] House line and alien being or NHI or
[00:41:38.800] whatever you were calling it to walk
[00:41:41.119] out. And I was saying to him, well, that
[00:41:42.880] would be the only way it could happen
[00:41:44.560] because the other silo that we talk
[00:41:48.000] about almost as much is that this is
[00:41:50.960] reverse engineered, right? And if it's
[00:41:54.160] any part of the defense industry or
[00:41:57.119] weapons system, it will never be
[00:41:59.920] released, not just by SSCI,
[00:42:02.960] but the UAP caucus. Um, Berlesson did
[00:42:05.680] say when he asked to get the same
[00:42:07.520] permission to go where Tim Phillips went
[00:42:09.520] in Nevada test range where he was sent
[00:42:11.119] over my stuff. Um, that the letter did
[00:42:14.960] say that if it was US tech, you know,
[00:42:16.720] they would protect that. So, we have to
[00:42:19.520] figure out which which silo are we
[00:42:22.079] chasing. Um, you know, we get so much
[00:42:25.280] into the reproduction eagles and this
[00:42:27.440] and that. My thoughts have always been,
[00:42:30.960] I can do what I can do at a very high
[00:42:32.960] level. I'm very successful at it, and I
[00:42:35.760] appear to be the only one that can do
[00:42:37.359] it. So, that's where my focus has been.
[00:42:40.800] There's no way I'll ever get to
[00:42:44.880] crack open the files that people are
[00:42:46.720] trying to search for to find out where
[00:42:50.000] this came from. So, if it's alien
[00:42:52.400] reproduction,
[00:42:54.319] it's not worth my time. I'm not saying
[00:42:56.640] it's not an interesting thing to know,
[00:42:58.400] but you know, when you can do something
[00:43:00.160] that no one else can at this level,
[00:43:02.240] what's the point of me trying to go back
[00:43:03.760] and figure out?
[00:43:04.560] >> Yeah. And you're also not saying that
[00:43:06.400] it's not necessarily not true. You're
[00:43:08.400] saying that it's not within your
[00:43:10.880] interest, but you're leaving the door
[00:43:13.200] open for it to possibly be true. I leave
[00:43:16.880] the door open for everything but and I
[00:43:20.160] don't think it's a secret and this is
[00:43:21.520] where me and you disagree but this is
[00:43:23.280] why me and you can talk is because
[00:43:25.280] people should take note of this you can
[00:43:27.119] have different views right
[00:43:29.040] >> and be respectful. Yeah.
[00:43:30.640] >> Yeah. My view is still going into
[00:43:33.760] material science and engineering and the
[00:43:36.319] things that have happened. You know, no
[00:43:37.760] one talks about the Nobel prizes that
[00:43:39.440] have been won for that exact phrase and
[00:43:41.680] category
[00:43:43.599] is that it's still humanmade
[00:43:47.040] tech because I'm not a believer in
[00:43:49.200] Roswell.
[00:43:50.800] And unfortunately, a lot of the things
[00:43:52.640] that are referenced are so far back that
[00:43:55.760] by default other than the story, we're
[00:43:59.040] just not going to be able to investigate
[00:44:00.560] that. So, it's not that the possibility
[00:44:03.920] is not there. It's that I've not seen
[00:44:08.319] anything for it. And to be quite honest,
[00:44:10.400] I think especially this is even the last
[00:44:13.280] couple years, it's the opposite. There
[00:44:16.400] is a whole lot of nonsense with the with
[00:44:19.599] the stories
[00:44:21.520] going around.
[00:44:22.880] >> So, is it safe to say because um uh I
[00:44:25.760] don't know if you know who Dr. Halpov
[00:44:27.599] is.
[00:44:29.520] >> I I do know the name. I think everybody
[00:44:31.680] knows the name. I I might not get the
[00:44:33.760] exact, you know.
[00:44:34.800] >> So, there was an interview where he
[00:44:36.400] mentioned to Eric Weinstein, who's very
[00:44:38.800] well known. He's a mathematician.
[00:44:41.119] uh where Jesse Michael sat them down and
[00:44:43.280] they started talking about how some
[00:44:46.560] aspects of physics may have been
[00:44:49.359] classified uh back in the day and Hal
[00:44:52.800] put said materials physics you have to
[00:44:56.720] ask yourself what Pandora's box would a
[00:45:00.319] new physical insight
[00:45:03.200] potentially open the role of aerospace
[00:45:06.800] companies as holders of potentially
[00:45:10.000] basic science scientific knowledge not
[00:45:11.920] shared with the academic world. Is it
[00:45:14.640] possible? Seems very wrong to me.
[00:45:17.040] >> Maybe wrong, but it's um true.
[00:45:19.599] >> It is true. You believe it's true.
[00:45:21.599] >> Yeah, I know it's true.
[00:45:23.280] >> You know that there's physics knowledge
[00:45:26.400] held by aerospace companies that is not
[00:45:28.880] >> There certainly is materials knowledge.
[00:45:30.960] >> Materials Well, okay. Material science
[00:45:32.960] >> which involves topological physics or
[00:45:34.880] whatever.
[00:45:35.680] >> Okay. But fundamental physics as opposed
[00:45:38.880] to you know condensed matter or
[00:45:41.520] >> right certainly aerospace corporations
[00:45:44.000] have knowledge in the UAP area that
[00:45:48.560] specifically are sequestered by against
[00:45:52.640] FOIA.
[00:45:53.680] >> Oh
[00:45:54.560] >> because of proprietary labels which the
[00:45:57.760] whole thing was set up to be that way
[00:46:00.480] >> on purpose.
[00:46:01.359] >> Right. But the idea that there would be
[00:46:03.119] fundamental physics knowledge that would
[00:46:05.040] be housed in an aerospace company and
[00:46:07.680] not shared with the physics community,
[00:46:09.920] there is no evidence of that.
[00:46:11.599] >> No evidence for not that I know of.
[00:46:14.319] >> And I would that doesn't mean it's not
[00:46:15.920] the [music] case, but
[00:46:17.440] >> that would be this crazy egregious.
[00:46:19.520] >> It would change our entire concept of
[00:46:21.520] who we are if somebody kept fundamental
[00:46:24.480] physics secret in the years since we
[00:46:27.520] became capable of exploding fusion
[00:46:30.332] [music] devices. I would grab a
[00:46:32.000] pitchfork [laughter] and a tiki torch
[00:46:34.880] and I would march on the National
[00:46:36.319] Science Foundation.
[00:46:37.920] >> U so my question is is your avoidance to
[00:46:42.240] directly talk about this object and the
[00:46:44.720] objects that you have that are the
[00:46:46.560] secret sauce as you say um is that
[00:46:50.240] reticence to speak about it uh because
[00:46:53.760] it's classified and it's probably it
[00:46:56.800] probably has to do with materials
[00:46:58.880] physics. Yeah, let's let's put it this
[00:47:01.119] way. So, what one of the very powerful
[00:47:03.119] senators who said some both sense select
[00:47:05.680] command intelligence and the armed
[00:47:07.359] service committee said was he'd like to
[00:47:10.319] know if it matches up with anything in
[00:47:12.560] any of our other stealth codings going
[00:47:14.640] back throughout history. That's the
[00:47:16.240] level we were operating at. Which also
[00:47:18.240] tells you that if you knew this stuff,
[00:47:20.800] that's not good for us in the current
[00:47:22.800] day world, defense world, that's also
[00:47:26.079] going to be a real big problem for me.
[00:47:28.079] And as we've seen with Arrow, they will
[00:47:30.480] make things a problem for me.
[00:47:33.599] >> Okay.
[00:47:35.280] Wow, that's wild. Um, so it is
[00:47:38.960] classified materials physics
[00:47:40.720] potentially. Um, I wanted to ask you
[00:47:43.359] though about the uh because you've been
[00:47:46.240] you say you've been two and a half years
[00:47:48.240] talking to these people. Has there been
[00:47:51.520] any interaction or maybe you saw some
[00:47:55.200] other whistleblower that was there while
[00:47:57.280] you were there? Did you see like I don't
[00:47:59.599] know Matthew Brown, David Grush, Dylan
[00:48:02.560] Borland, any of those guys? Have you
[00:48:04.800] ever seen them interacted with them in
[00:48:07.440] any way?
[00:48:09.520] >> Not that I know of. um when I was
[00:48:12.720] speaking to SSCI
[00:48:15.520] um was when Kurpatre did I I don't
[00:48:18.640] remember if it was first or second or
[00:48:20.000] whatever it was but he did a um you know
[00:48:22.400] where they call in and I think it was
[00:48:23.839] Jill Brown was questioning him and one
[00:48:26.000] of the things he said is we're small
[00:48:27.839] staffed or something like that you know
[00:48:29.760] pick your witnesses very carefully of
[00:48:32.240] who you you know send out and and I
[00:48:36.160] still have the text message we were the
[00:48:37.920] first group that got to pick um our
[00:48:41.359] days. And the way the days went is there
[00:48:44.880] was only really two days you could pick
[00:48:47.760] from where they had an opening and then
[00:48:50.880] they would take you to Arrow after that.
[00:48:54.240] And so there really by design shouldn't
[00:48:56.640] have ever have been two whistleblowers
[00:49:00.480] for the skiff that day. I don't know if
[00:49:02.480] that makes sense, but that's not how
[00:49:03.920] they were working.
[00:49:06.000] >> But you didn't see the other. if if it
[00:49:08.480] was there, you didn't see them.
[00:49:11.119] >> I'm not saying someone couldn't been
[00:49:12.640] there. What I'm saying is I was never
[00:49:14.000] introduced. I never saw anybody.
[00:49:16.480] >> Most of my conversations even after the
[00:49:19.359] skiff would be out in the hall or in
[00:49:21.599] another senator's office. We might carry
[00:49:23.200] on about some things that weren't as
[00:49:24.559] classified. At that point in time, I'd
[00:49:26.720] never seen anybody
[00:49:28.640] >> walk into the skiff because I was still
[00:49:30.319] with the staff. So, I don't know how it
[00:49:31.680] would have, you know. So, full
[00:49:33.839] disclosure here, though, because when
[00:49:35.760] you first came out, I uh I remember that
[00:49:38.800] I I initially said no to releasing your
[00:49:41.920] statement because you didn't want to
[00:49:43.599] show your face. Now that you've
[00:49:44.800] explained why that is and the dangers
[00:49:48.079] that exist from you showing your face or
[00:49:50.720] your name, I do want to ask you about um
[00:49:55.760] potentially I don't know
[00:49:58.720] um
[00:50:00.319] what needs to happen uh in order for you
[00:50:04.319] to potentially
[00:50:06.400] um either talk about your your name and
[00:50:11.280] so people know who you are or even uh
[00:50:16.240] getting some of those videos uh uh new
[00:50:19.680] ones, some of those pictures, new ones,
[00:50:23.040] and potentially let the world know and
[00:50:26.960] show it to the world that this tech is
[00:50:29.920] real and that because in my opinion, it
[00:50:33.839] it could have potential to help people
[00:50:37.680] because currently we we're still under
[00:50:40.160] the petro dollar And um and I think that
[00:50:44.480] if there is really some kind of new
[00:50:47.119] technology or new source of energy that
[00:50:50.400] has high potential, I think that it
[00:50:53.440] should be um a right for the majority
[00:50:57.520] like for the population. Would you agree
[00:50:59.839] with that? And what needs to happen in
[00:51:01.520] order for you to potentially release
[00:51:03.680] something to the people?
[00:51:05.440] >> There's a lot there for answers, so I'll
[00:51:07.520] try and kind of work through it a little
[00:51:09.200] bit. Um,
[00:51:11.599] you know, back to the Joe Rogan comment.
[00:51:13.839] Um, and I always want someone to ask
[00:51:17.200] Berlesson about that because I know he
[00:51:18.720] saw the Joe Rogan comment, but um,
[00:51:22.160] Burlson would then go on to say that he
[00:51:24.000] showed it to people in the know
[00:51:25.440] classified programs and the results were
[00:51:27.200] jaw-dropping. So, you know, it's the
[00:51:29.760] he's also said I'm a patriot. So, you
[00:51:31.520] know, I appreciate the gentleman
[00:51:33.440] speaking the truth there. So, then you
[00:51:36.079] get into how would you show that? Well,
[00:51:38.880] realistically that's going back into the
[00:51:41.280] same system I've asked in the US to
[00:51:43.200] release those secrets and I don't have
[00:51:46.000] an answer
[00:51:48.240] for that. I don't think there will ever
[00:51:50.960] be a way to do that. As I said, if it's
[00:51:54.559] defense related and just keep in mind,
[00:51:57.040] this isn't UAP Cox's decision. This
[00:51:59.920] would have to go to people
[00:52:02.640] um as high up as you could possibly be
[00:52:06.240] possibly the president to sign off on
[00:52:08.720] showing everybody
[00:52:11.200] what we have. So then it becomes what
[00:52:13.200] about me? Well, I did offer myself up
[00:52:16.800] for the last hearing and I I've told
[00:52:19.119] this before which is that my request was
[00:52:22.400] to be polygraphed and everything I was
[00:52:24.480] going to say beforehand.
[00:52:27.920] I'll easily pass it. But this would not
[00:52:30.400] be my first polygraph on this
[00:52:31.920] information. I'll also provide a second
[00:52:34.880] source because when you get into
[00:52:36.960] polygraph, the more people tested on the
[00:52:39.280] same information, the higher that's what
[00:52:41.680] they ask in their own business. Now,
[00:52:43.440] keep in mind, we're talking about
[00:52:45.520] government IC related polygraphs, the
[00:52:48.319] ones that are mandatory for any
[00:52:49.920] intelligence agency and so on. So the
[00:52:53.440] thought there is is that all this [ __ ]
[00:52:56.400] that Tim Phillips has said will
[00:52:59.119] immediately fall down based on their own
[00:53:01.599] standards. The polygraph is the IC's
[00:53:05.280] standards
[00:53:06.880] that will help me alleviate some of the
[00:53:09.119] things that he's purposely laid as a
[00:53:11.119] trap. Talked about my mental state,
[00:53:13.359] right? Wouldn't feel safe to have me
[00:53:15.520] around his family. I'm heavily involved
[00:53:17.920] in my kids' life, school. I have a
[00:53:20.800] community standing. All those things are
[00:53:23.359] ruined if I release my name right now.
[00:53:25.680] And that's before we get into things
[00:53:27.280] like OSI verified death threats that he
[00:53:30.480] forgot to talk about all
[00:53:33.119] and what becomes of me um after that. So
[00:53:38.480] I would prefer the polygraph because
[00:53:41.040] that starts setting stuff straight where
[00:53:42.960] I don't have to immediately worry about
[00:53:44.319] things of who's telling the truth or
[00:53:47.200] who's not. Um, that's really all it
[00:53:50.880] would take. I did make the other demand
[00:53:53.440] that I would not sit with anybody. I
[00:53:56.319] would come in before after if they
[00:53:57.839] wanted, but I wouldn't sit with anybody
[00:53:59.280] that hadn't passed the polygraph either.
[00:54:01.680] I think that was taken wrongly, but now
[00:54:04.559] that you look at some of the
[00:54:05.599] whistleblowers of what they're going
[00:54:07.040] through, I think it would have helped
[00:54:09.040] them out because right now what
[00:54:10.720] everybody's saying is they're full of
[00:54:12.480] crap, they're crazy, they can't get a
[00:54:15.280] job, all these things. Imagine if you
[00:54:18.640] flip that around and they'd all pass
[00:54:20.720] polygraph. I think that changes their
[00:54:23.200] trajectory of still leaving
[00:54:26.160] a normal, you know, life
[00:54:29.680] through this. I mean, we've got to quit
[00:54:32.640] putting people through the meat grinder.
[00:54:34.880] I know everybody likes their names. I
[00:54:37.119] know everybody likes their faces, their
[00:54:39.680] history, and all these credentials,
[00:54:43.280] but you're kind of putting us through
[00:54:44.559] the meat grinder. Like I said, you got
[00:54:46.720] to let us work through this to beat the
[00:54:49.280] system at their own game. And that
[00:54:51.440] doesn't always mean throwing your face
[00:54:53.119] and name out there to start.
[00:54:55.599] Yeah. And what I was going to say though
[00:54:58.160] uh is that when I initially said no, um
[00:55:02.480] what convinced me that your story was uh
[00:55:06.160] true was exactly Berles coming out on a
[00:55:09.599] Twitter space and confirming that you
[00:55:12.559] were actually who you said you were. Um,
[00:55:15.440] he said that they showed some of your
[00:55:18.319] material, some of your videos to people
[00:55:20.480] who were trained to know what they were
[00:55:22.880] looking at and that they were surprised
[00:55:25.200] that you got those images. Um, but they
[00:55:28.319] also thought that it was probably
[00:55:29.760] classified technology, right?
[00:55:32.079] >> Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Um,
[00:55:36.400] you know, without going too far down,
[00:55:38.960] uh, the trail here, but I've mentioned
[00:55:40.559] it previously,
[00:55:42.880] the story that Tim Phillips has told
[00:55:45.119] does line up with what I was going
[00:55:46.720] through. We didn't know exactly who was
[00:55:48.480] on the other side, but we had known that
[00:55:51.200] some of our information went to the DoD.
[00:55:53.520] It was never set as zero. And we knew
[00:55:56.880] that the only thing they had sent the
[00:55:58.640] DoD was one particular photo. And the
[00:56:02.880] DoD, based on several senators who
[00:56:05.200] didn't skip with us, was basically said
[00:56:06.880] that they were really curious about
[00:56:09.040] where they got it from, but we're trying
[00:56:10.960] to say like, "Oh, no, that's not ours.
[00:56:12.799] We're not sure if it's even real." SSCI
[00:56:16.160] had the original device, but the
[00:56:18.960] metadata was still on, so they knew it
[00:56:22.559] was real. They also had the video with
[00:56:26.160] metadata. So the question that we were
[00:56:28.640] always asked is could this other side
[00:56:31.440] who we thought was the DoD but appears
[00:56:33.200] to be Arrow were they incompetent or
[00:56:35.760] were they lying? And so they never
[00:56:37.520] actually sent the rest of it over to
[00:56:39.200] Arrow which is the whole problem with
[00:56:41.119] this investigation.
[00:56:42.880] It is not a cohesive unit
[00:56:45.839] working together.
[00:56:47.599] >> Okay. So, just to be clear, you can't
[00:56:51.200] physically uh produce new videos or new
[00:56:54.720] photos
[00:56:56.240] and and release them to the public. I
[00:56:58.079] mean, you can do it, but you can't
[00:56:59.839] release them to the public because of
[00:57:01.280] these constraints because it remains
[00:57:03.520] classified stuff and you can get in
[00:57:05.040] trouble. Correct.
[00:57:06.799] >> When you don't get an answer back from
[00:57:09.359] the highest folks that there is over the
[00:57:11.760] highest technology that there is, it's
[00:57:14.319] not because they're busy.
[00:57:16.720] Um, it's usually because they don't want
[00:57:19.680] to tell you the answer or they want for
[00:57:21.359] you to do something and then find
[00:57:23.040] something to charge you for. Um, you
[00:57:25.920] know, before I met Ivan, um, I made
[00:57:30.799] acquaintances with John Kuryaku. Um,
[00:57:33.280] he's the gentleman that took the fall
[00:57:34.880] for the CIA torture program. thing once.
[00:57:37.200] >> Yeah,
[00:57:37.839] >> that the name sounds familiar. He was
[00:57:40.559] actually helping me um get
[00:57:42.960] whistleblowers that he, you know, had
[00:57:45.040] used and contact and we talked back and
[00:57:47.440] forth still do a little bit. Hell, a
[00:57:49.920] good guy, right? Doesn't owe anybody
[00:57:51.440] anything, but he's always willing to
[00:57:52.640] help you out if you're in a if you're in
[00:57:55.440] a bad spot and I'm in a bad spot. So
[00:57:59.359] then it becomes, well, why not show it?
[00:58:03.200] What would it do? I'm not going to, even
[00:58:06.240] though people may not like it, be
[00:58:08.000] successful in this business, which is
[00:58:11.520] not to sell photos and videos, right?
[00:58:14.160] This isn't a black extortion scheme like
[00:58:16.480] 10 folks trying to make it. We went to
[00:58:19.280] him under the guise of what you think is
[00:58:21.359] not trackable is, and we can help you
[00:58:24.160] fix that.
[00:58:26.079] That was the point of us going forward.
[00:58:28.720] Now they want our radar system not just
[00:58:31.440] because it essentially defeats stealth
[00:58:33.359] and the trillions of dollars of assets
[00:58:35.920] that we have and the whole power of war
[00:58:38.880] which is when air superiority win the
[00:58:41.119] war. Now now you can't because you don't
[00:58:43.520] have stealth anymore. I'm not just
[00:58:44.880] talking about shape and coding. You
[00:58:47.280] can't jam us electronically. You can't
[00:58:49.119] spoof us. Now they want it for UAS,
[00:58:53.119] right? So they want what we have. it
[00:58:56.400] would help the country out. And that's
[00:58:58.640] what the business is, which I've always
[00:59:00.319] said from the beginning. We went in as a
[00:59:02.160] business. We still are. We're not here,
[00:59:06.640] never have been about disclosure. But
[00:59:08.880] keep in mind, I've never seen anything
[00:59:10.880] that had alien land to pop out. So why
[00:59:14.640] then would I or would I expose US tech?
[00:59:19.280] No.
[00:59:21.119] >> Got it. I mean, I I'm not here to make
[00:59:24.400] friends or anything like that. I mean,
[00:59:26.400] I'm just giving people the honest truth.
[00:59:28.720] It's fine to judge me how you do.
[00:59:30.960] >> Yeah. Got it. Um, thank you. I do want
[00:59:33.920] to ask you about the drone situation
[00:59:35.760] because um at the start of uh this year
[00:59:39.760] still uh there was this guy Matthew
[00:59:42.319] Liberger who blew himself up outside of
[00:59:45.040] a Trump hotel in Las Vegas inside of
[00:59:47.760] Cybertruck. and the manifesto he claims
[00:59:50.880] that uh China already has some sort of
[00:59:52.960] gravitic propulsion and that the drones
[00:59:55.760] were Chinese. Um is there anything you
[00:59:58.799] can tell us about that? Do you think
[01:00:01.040] where do you stand on that? Do you think
[01:00:02.960] uh these drones could be adversarial
[01:00:06.240] technology from a different country or
[01:00:08.559] and do you think the US already has some
[01:00:10.799] of that type of technology as well?
[01:00:13.680] Well, the poor gentleman um that went
[01:00:16.640] through that, you know, I feel bad for
[01:00:18.880] the family.
[01:00:20.720] It's an odd case. Um you know, I can't
[01:00:24.160] say either way. You know, it goes back,
[01:00:26.960] you know, like where did this come from?
[01:00:28.160] Like I'll never get into his files or
[01:00:29.839] know what he did, so I can't say. But
[01:00:31.440] it's an odd
[01:00:34.079] scenario. Um
[01:00:36.960] the best way for people to understand
[01:00:39.599] what's going on with drones and keep in
[01:00:42.640] mind
[01:00:44.400] we've got some idiots um even in SSCI
[01:00:49.280] and staff where you have to explain
[01:00:51.359] things to them. Um just to tell you a
[01:00:53.280] quick story about that. I was going in
[01:00:54.720] to do a briefing one time and I got st
[01:00:58.079] stopped by a particular um senator staff
[01:01:00.720] member and each of them only have one
[01:01:02.400] you have one SSCI we each each senator
[01:01:05.760] on committee said to me hey man um can
[01:01:09.760] you dumb it down a little bit and I'm
[01:01:11.760] getting ready to walk in so you know
[01:01:13.280] that's not so I mean I was like what do
[01:01:15.680] you mean I've got everything prepared
[01:01:17.200] right you might get everybody the
[01:01:19.040] briefing papers you know I mean I can't
[01:01:22.160] just change it now so I asked them a
[01:01:23.760] normal question, right? Which is like,
[01:01:24.960] "What do you mean?" Like, "How dumb?"
[01:01:27.200] >> How dumb?
[01:01:28.400] >> Yeah. And so the guy looks at me and he
[01:01:30.720] says, "Go in there and brief him like
[01:01:33.839] you would your grandpa."
[01:01:36.640] So I was like, "Hey man, my grandpa's
[01:01:39.040] not even alive." Well, my grandpa was
[01:01:40.400] born in like 1920.
[01:01:43.040] What? How old is this grandpa? You know,
[01:01:45.200] he's like, you know, my dad's older, but
[01:01:46.799] my dad's in the aerial space. I mean, my
[01:01:48.880] dad would understand it. So he looked at
[01:01:51.680] me and he said, "Yeah, go in there and
[01:01:53.920] brief him like your grandpa born in
[01:01:55.520] 1920."
[01:01:56.960] >> That's the level
[01:02:01.097] [laughter]
[01:02:02.720] >> the briefing. So not all,
[01:02:05.440] >> but I'm just telling you, don't think
[01:02:07.040] that the people making the decisions of
[01:02:08.720] the world's intelligence in the United
[01:02:10.480] States are um
[01:02:12.960] >> well informed and that includes in UAP.
[01:02:15.440] And if they don't want to hear it, they
[01:02:16.720] just don't want to
[01:02:18.400] >> don't want to hear it. But as far as the
[01:02:19.920] drones go,
[01:02:21.760] the way that has always worked is a
[01:02:24.880] system of a little bit will do you. So,
[01:02:27.760] do I think there's been drones at all
[01:02:29.280] these locations? Yeah. Do I think it's
[01:02:31.599] been the whole time? No. But as soon as
[01:02:35.200] you start to panic, that's the way the
[01:02:37.200] system works. And they've shown what
[01:02:39.040] they needed to show. Just like at
[01:02:40.319] Langley, you won't see us come in. You
[01:02:43.359] won't see us come out. You won't be able
[01:02:45.440] to bring us down.
[01:02:48.000] the things like the jersey and different
[01:02:49.839] ones like that. There probably was
[01:02:51.359] something there, but all they needed to
[01:02:52.640] do is start it because panic is part of
[01:02:55.839] the battle game. You know, I talked a
[01:02:57.920] little bit about like Roswell. One of
[01:02:59.920] the other scenarios people don't like to
[01:03:01.599] hear is is not just the balloon, but it
[01:03:04.240] was a particular sensor looking for
[01:03:06.319] balloons coming in from the jetream
[01:03:07.920] during World War II. And the idea was
[01:03:10.640] just like the Chinese balloon, it would
[01:03:13.200] float in, it would be an incinary
[01:03:14.559] balloon, it drop on the forces of
[01:03:16.799] California. It would drop on our
[01:03:18.720] financial districts and you'd start
[01:03:20.240] trying to light the US on fire.
[01:03:23.280] And the idea would be that everybody
[01:03:24.720] here would say, "Forget our allies.
[01:03:27.599] We're being attacked at home. Bring
[01:03:29.440] bring our forces back here. We got to
[01:03:31.200] fight back here." And then you look at
[01:03:32.559] what would have happened to World War II
[01:03:34.000] if we would have pulled our guys out.
[01:03:36.480] Changes. The result changes. And so
[01:03:39.520] that's all part of battle people don't
[01:03:41.440] understand. And so that's really what's
[01:03:43.280] being shown by adversaries like for
[01:03:45.440] instance China. What's going on right
[01:03:47.680] now with Taiwan?
[01:03:49.760] So if a battle starts up in Taiwan,
[01:03:52.000] you're most likely not going to see the
[01:03:53.920] US battle Taiwan and Russia. What you're
[01:03:56.319] going to see is drone attacks here in
[01:04:00.079] the US homeland because they've already
[01:04:01.520] shown they can come in and out and you
[01:04:03.440] can't bring them down. and they've
[01:04:05.039] already shown that they're here
[01:04:07.760] too late, right? So, that's the longer
[01:04:10.799] term run that people need to analyze on
[01:04:13.920] the drones. I would say as of right now,
[01:04:16.799] everybody has a little bit of this magic
[01:04:19.760] because that's just the way technology
[01:04:21.599] goes. Um, you either steal it or you
[01:04:24.480] figure out how to do it. You think back
[01:04:26.640] to when the F-17 was shot down in a was
[01:04:30.240] it Serby or something? you know, the
[01:04:31.839] Chinese that day had people on foot
[01:04:34.079] trying to offer farmers money. They had
[01:04:36.160] Indian material or,
[01:04:38.640] you know, pictures or knowledge of it
[01:04:41.200] and they ended up buying a pretty big
[01:04:42.720] piece of it. Um, but they were able to
[01:04:45.440] get this is normal operation for
[01:04:47.440] adversary countries
[01:04:49.760] to do this. So, that all goes together
[01:04:51.839] to say that has nothing to do with ISR.
[01:04:55.119] You know, even the balloons float over.
[01:04:56.720] Everybody said, "Well, they're here
[01:04:58.400] taking pictures." But it doesn't make
[01:04:59.520] sense because you get it with
[01:05:00.400] satellites. Yeah, they're not here
[01:05:02.319] taking pictures. They're just showing us
[01:05:03.839] how many weaknesses we have
[01:05:06.559] in our system. So, if they attack in
[01:05:08.799] Taiwan, best to stay out of it. That's
[01:05:10.640] the way this game works.
[01:05:13.039] >> Yeah. Um Taiwan is kind of tricky right
[01:05:16.880] now, right? Uh since yesterday, it's
[01:05:19.520] gotten a little tricky.
[01:05:22.720] >> It's
[01:05:24.640] It's going to happen. Um, I can't tell
[01:05:27.280] you when, but
[01:05:30.240] they will be a lot like Russ and
[01:05:32.960] Ukraine, except for they've learned and
[01:05:35.839] seen what does and what doesn't work,
[01:05:37.520] and it will be a much quicker
[01:05:40.000] system um to take over is what the
[01:05:44.000] drones hear, whether people want to hear
[01:05:46.240] it or not, that's what that's about.
[01:05:49.359] >> Okay. Interesting. Um, a couple
[01:05:52.400] questions more before I let you go, if
[01:05:54.079] that's okay with you.
[01:05:55.200] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, one is that u Berles has
[01:05:58.480] been like a little under fire lately. I
[01:06:00.480] think it's very unfair uh of people to
[01:06:04.000] be attacking him like that because he's
[01:06:05.839] just as curious as the next person, you
[01:06:08.319] know. Uh I think and I don't think he's
[01:06:10.880] a bad person. Um what do you think about
[01:06:13.119] what's going on right now in the whole
[01:06:15.760] disclosure movement that seems to be
[01:06:17.520] imploding, right?
[01:06:19.760] >> Yeah. Well,
[01:06:22.079] Berles and I also don't see eye to eye
[01:06:25.039] on almost all issues. However, we're
[01:06:29.520] still able to communicate with each
[01:06:32.960] other. We still have each other's, you
[01:06:34.480] know, phone number and text back and
[01:06:36.720] forth.
[01:06:38.640] And that's really
[01:06:40.960] what you need. Um, I wish people that
[01:06:44.880] like people that I've sent to him, I
[01:06:46.319] wish he was easier to get through to
[01:06:47.920] him, but everybody's busy. So, with that
[01:06:51.599] said, you can't really come under the
[01:06:55.680] idea that the only thing Representative
[01:06:58.640] Burlesen has to do is just UAP related
[01:07:04.079] um ideas and formation and job.
[01:07:08.400] He's got a lot more than that. So, and
[01:07:12.160] this isn't a knock to them, but this is
[01:07:14.079] like all politicians. You're usually
[01:07:16.400] picking either the best or the best of
[01:07:19.359] the worst. So, you put Berles in there
[01:07:22.160] and you say, you're having a guy that's
[01:07:24.960] willing to give this an honest look,
[01:07:27.359] even though, you know, I disagree a lot
[01:07:29.039] with his ideas and thoughts. And, you
[01:07:31.760] know, again, it's a respectful
[01:07:34.880] sort of thing, but
[01:07:37.680] that's the best you got.
[01:07:40.319] Um, and that's not h me saying he's not
[01:07:42.880] good. I'm just saying
[01:07:45.359] if Burlesson's gone,
[01:07:47.920] who's the replacement?
[01:07:50.240] Nobody thinks about that. Uh, in all of
[01:07:52.480] life, people think like, um, well, if we
[01:07:55.920] take this guy down, right, who's next?
[01:07:59.119] Um, and
[01:08:02.319] you know, I think you've got to let the
[01:08:04.559] people you have in right now write it
[01:08:07.680] out because the Senate is not your
[01:08:09.920] friend. It's over there. Cotton's now
[01:08:13.119] the chair
[01:08:14.880] will be for as long as we have a
[01:08:16.400] Republican president. That's not me
[01:08:18.000] saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just
[01:08:19.440] saying that's how the way the the system
[01:08:21.279] works is, you know, the majority has in
[01:08:24.080] the Senate uh the chair. So all you've
[01:08:28.319] got is Congress and they've said
[01:08:30.640] themselves they don't have any real
[01:08:32.080] power. So I don't have any problem with
[01:08:35.120] Berles. However, he himself would
[01:08:37.120] probably admit they're kind of stuck. So
[01:08:40.239] there's where your investigation is. And
[01:08:42.560] I think that's really what the fuel is
[01:08:44.239] for the fire that's making everything
[01:08:45.839] implode because everybody thought this
[01:08:47.920] was the year.
[01:08:50.640] Everybody thought this was going to be
[01:08:52.080] the big one and there was going to be
[01:08:53.359] all these things happen and we just
[01:08:55.040] needed that UAPDA to finish and just
[01:08:58.799] again
[01:09:00.319] here we are seeing at the end of the
[01:09:01.600] year and people have caught on to I
[01:09:05.359] think we need a different plan. I think
[01:09:07.040] that's a good thing but the same people
[01:09:09.839] can be involved in a different plan. You
[01:09:12.400] know what I mean? Doesn't have to be a
[01:09:14.000] fire cell.
[01:09:16.640] >> Yeah, I see what you mean. Um I just
[01:09:19.839] think it like sort of um this this
[01:09:24.000] community uh the UFO community it's sort
[01:09:27.199] of uh constantly canalizing itself and I
[01:09:32.319] I did a tweet today that where I talk
[01:09:34.960] about project mockingb bird which was
[01:09:37.279] uncovered in the 70s and it sort of
[01:09:40.159] feels like this same system uh sort of
[01:09:43.920] moved to social media and now uh there's
[01:09:47.839] a lot of uh people working there for
[01:09:50.880] this project that I would suppose is no
[01:09:53.520] longer named mockingb bird but the idea
[01:09:56.880] is to obuscate and distract and create
[01:10:01.120] more division and um what do you think
[01:10:03.920] about that? Yeah. Well, I mean, even
[01:10:06.880] like Google book, any project has always
[01:10:10.080] been
[01:10:11.600] the concept of the project has been to
[01:10:13.600] mix truth and reality.
[01:10:16.880] And then you get to wonder what the goal
[01:10:18.640] is. Usually what they say is to hide us
[01:10:20.960] tech. I don't know if that's always it,
[01:10:22.560] but this is normal
[01:10:25.600] operating, right? And so then you get
[01:10:27.600] into a little bit further of it. you
[01:10:29.360] know, InQel, which is the investment arm
[01:10:32.000] of CIA,
[01:10:33.920] doesn't publish a lot anymore about who
[01:10:35.679] they invest with, but if you look at
[01:10:37.040] some of the things that are still out
[01:10:38.159] there, press releases and things, almost
[01:10:40.880] all the companies that they invested in
[01:10:42.800] were companies to monitor social media
[01:10:45.199] and essentially be able to plot answers
[01:10:47.040] of, you know, what was favorable and
[01:10:48.880] what was not. And so they obviously
[01:10:51.600] answer is, you know, some are in another
[01:10:53.120] country, right? Maybe Venezuela. You do
[01:10:56.159] some things down there and you see
[01:10:57.600] whether or not your software tells you
[01:10:59.199] they're siding with the US or they're
[01:11:01.040] against their own leader which is how
[01:11:03.199] you overthrow governments and these are
[01:11:05.520] things on file. So this isn't some sort
[01:11:07.360] of you know scenario that hasn't
[01:11:09.760] happened. So is it happening now? as
[01:11:12.000] well as I can tell you for a fact the
[01:11:13.679] FBI references tweets that I make and
[01:11:15.920] things that I say on YouTube and they
[01:11:17.520] call and Sean Kurpatre said on several
[01:11:21.199] interviews that he had a gentleman show
[01:11:22.560] up to his house and uh before that
[01:11:26.239] happened that they were telling him that
[01:11:27.840] his address was showing up on you know
[01:11:30.480] social media boards so that means
[01:11:32.080] they're looking at Reddit they're
[01:11:33.360] looking at Twitter Facebook
[01:11:36.640] so yeah that is normal operating
[01:11:40.800] procedure form Now the question then is
[01:11:42.800] how much do they get into influence?
[01:11:44.640] Well, what I would say to that is they
[01:11:47.679] don't have to because I still think this
[01:11:50.239] community is its own worst enemy.
[01:11:55.199] And I don't think they've had to step
[01:11:58.080] in. Would they? I don't know that
[01:11:59.520] either, but I just mean like
[01:12:03.440] Berles is a good point. Berles said
[01:12:06.640] multiple times that every faction in
[01:12:09.679] this hates each other and he's right and
[01:12:13.520] that doesn't have anything to do with
[01:12:15.920] >> scops at that level. That's really the
[01:12:18.000] community's problem.
[01:12:19.679] >> Yeah, I agree. Um although there seem to
[01:12:23.280] be um just a few that do seem to like um
[01:12:29.280] remain constantly fixated on on this
[01:12:33.120] confrontation and that that is strange.
[01:12:35.520] I'm not going to lie. Um I did hear that
[01:12:38.560] the FBI was actively investigating
[01:12:41.600] on X what goes on in the community. Uh
[01:12:44.800] did you hear about that?
[01:12:46.880] >> I did not. Um,
[01:12:50.640] I would highly doubt it from a drama
[01:12:53.360] standpoint. Now, if you have people
[01:12:57.120] who are claiming to be people, which
[01:12:59.840] there are in the community with some of
[01:13:01.679] them with, you know, um, less of a
[01:13:04.080] picture in an ID than me releasing
[01:13:05.760] information, of course, they're going to
[01:13:07.840] look at that. you know, there was a
[01:13:10.400] gentleman in one of the
[01:13:12.880] I can't remember exactly what podcast or
[01:13:14.880] chat, you know, because I'm always
[01:13:16.000] joining and if someone's talking about
[01:13:17.840] uh
[01:13:19.360] or whatever, I usually sit there and
[01:13:20.800] listen respectfully. Doesn't mean I, you
[01:13:22.719] know, agreed to it. But anyway, one of
[01:13:24.480] the gentlemen was telling me that uh
[01:13:27.120] something about the SSCI skiff and he's
[01:13:29.120] the one that designed it. He's the one
[01:13:30.719] that signed off on the paper. And I
[01:13:33.280] think he was confused between electronic
[01:13:35.280] files and hard files of, you know,
[01:13:37.600] photos and they're raw material. But all
[01:13:41.360] I could think to myself is like, you're
[01:13:43.840] probably going to get a call where the
[01:13:45.920] FBI is going to want to know who you
[01:13:47.280] are. That's not stuff you come into a
[01:13:49.120] chat room
[01:13:50.560] >> and say that's different than
[01:13:52.239] investigating the drama of people
[01:13:57.760] going back. Well, it's it's not
[01:14:00.000] necessarily drama. It's like more like
[01:14:03.840] uh criminal activity, I would say.
[01:14:06.880] There's a lot of harassment. There's a
[01:14:08.320] lot of doxing. There's a lot of false
[01:14:10.320] accusations that uh could get people
[01:14:13.199] sued and stuff like that. So, um,
[01:14:16.159] >> I mean, you know, let me ask you this
[01:14:18.320] because it seems like both sides
[01:14:22.480] or all sides, maybe a better way to put
[01:14:24.320] it, aren't agreeing to you or with you.
[01:14:28.800] And
[01:14:31.120] that's a weird scenario to be in because
[01:14:34.400] that obviously means you're not trying
[01:14:35.760] to please anybody. You depict one side
[01:14:39.120] or the other. So from where you stand,
[01:14:42.800] do you feel like anything has happened
[01:14:44.719] to you that is, you know, worthy of the
[01:14:48.880] FBI or is it more of just the personal
[01:14:51.760] level you want to speak out against that
[01:14:53.840] like people need to understand where you
[01:14:56.640] come from the videos that you do? So the
[01:14:58.719] thing with with this is that I thought
[01:15:00.239] that everybody was going to get along
[01:15:02.000] and I mistakenly thought that. And when
[01:15:04.080] I came in to what's going on right now,
[01:15:07.920] I found that uh I first I arrived late
[01:15:11.120] to the party. So when I came in um it
[01:15:15.120] didn't really matter who I started
[01:15:16.880] interacting with of both sides. I didn't
[01:15:20.159] know that uh the how the extent of the
[01:15:23.920] conflict.
[01:15:25.600] And um when I started interacting with
[01:15:28.719] people from one side, people from the
[01:15:30.719] other side blocked me and um they didn't
[01:15:34.000] want to have anything to do with me.
[01:15:35.679] Even though my idea is always and will
[01:15:38.560] always be to try and get along with
[01:15:40.159] everybody and try to get everybody to
[01:15:42.159] get along as well. Um nothing personal
[01:15:46.400] has happened to me. I don't think it
[01:15:48.560] will honestly because I do try and keep
[01:15:51.440] the same philosophy even though I
[01:15:53.280] criticize the entire issue. I try not to
[01:15:57.360] fixate myself on specific people because
[01:16:00.560] I think that's a mistake because we're
[01:16:02.960] all human. We all make mistakes. We all
[01:16:06.000] um have [ __ ] it up at some point in
[01:16:07.840] our lives. We all have dirty laundry,
[01:16:10.080] you know, and I just think it's pretty
[01:16:13.120] dumb to um uh remain on this constant
[01:16:18.239] endless loop of just attacking each
[01:16:21.199] other. And that's what makes me think
[01:16:23.199] that it's by design. And um whatever I
[01:16:27.679] say uh because I my my opinion differs
[01:16:31.040] from both sides, I'm still going to get
[01:16:33.840] attacks in some way or another or I'm
[01:16:36.640] going to get accused of being uh on one
[01:16:39.520] side people are like accusing the other
[01:16:41.920] side of being racist, homophobes, and
[01:16:43.840] pedophiles. And on the other side, um
[01:16:47.440] people are getting docks, harassed, and
[01:16:50.239] attacked constantly. So, um, you really
[01:16:54.080] can't win when it comes to something
[01:16:55.760] like this. But I realized that, um, the
[01:17:00.159] problem was at a fever pitch kind of
[01:17:03.679] point when that Rogan interview came out
[01:17:07.440] and I just decided to just do a video as
[01:17:10.960] balanced as possible to explain the
[01:17:13.760] situation because it reached mainstream
[01:17:16.480] levels and this is a news channel as
[01:17:19.440] well, not just an interview channel. So,
[01:17:22.320] I had to report on it and I I kind of
[01:17:25.199] knew that no side was going to be happy
[01:17:28.000] with the way I reported on it, but I I
[01:17:30.800] had to do it. Um, do I regret doing it?
[01:17:34.800] A little bit to be honest with you,
[01:17:36.560] because I just don't like conflict. I
[01:17:38.880] don't like attention like that either.
[01:17:41.840] But I I still think that um somebody
[01:17:45.040] needs to give in. And in my opinion, the
[01:17:48.560] person that should come forward and
[01:17:50.640] speak publicly about this and try and
[01:17:52.960] stop whatever is happening is Lou
[01:17:55.840] Alessando.
[01:17:57.360] That's my opinion. If he doesn't, this
[01:18:00.239] is just going to continue and things are
[01:18:02.080] going to end up with somebody either in
[01:18:04.400] jail or worse. That's just my opinion. I
[01:18:07.199] don't know what you think. Well, I mean,
[01:18:09.280] this is what the good example is is I I
[01:18:12.400] disagree with you, but as I said, that's
[01:18:14.800] the whole point of showing how you have
[01:18:16.800] a civilized
[01:18:19.040] conversation here. You know, people are
[01:18:21.120] going to think this is too hive. I think
[01:18:22.800] it's Joe Rogan's fault. I've been saying
[01:18:25.679] this for a while. He has people on, they
[01:18:28.800] come on, they tell their story. It's
[01:18:30.080] like the whistleblower thing in the
[01:18:31.360] hearings. And then he'll have on
[01:18:33.840] somebody next. And there's multiple
[01:18:35.520] occasions of this. And then all they do
[01:18:37.760] is talk [ __ ] on the person. That's what
[01:18:40.000] happened when they showed the Burson
[01:18:41.280] clip with me, right? Had this one
[01:18:43.920] stoogge on that's ex CIA and they're,
[01:18:45.920] oh, let's break this down. You see what
[01:18:47.840] he said there? And it's like that had
[01:18:49.520] that wasn't a conversation, man. I was
[01:18:51.199] in there. And then he has somebody else
[01:18:54.080] on that comes and tells a big story. And
[01:18:56.480] he he is a user of this community. And
[01:19:00.400] the problem is he has literally the
[01:19:02.320] world's largest
[01:19:04.560] platform. So, what I'll say about Lou is
[01:19:09.520] as far as I know, and keep in mind I
[01:19:11.360] really, you know, people ask me about I
[01:19:13.840] really say like I don't care. It's like
[01:19:15.040] that scenario Jean told Jean Stiggle
[01:19:16.880] told me about walking into a bar and the
[01:19:18.560] fight's already going on. You know what
[01:19:20.000] I mean? Lou wasn't out causing uh
[01:19:24.960] trouble. Even these allegations appear
[01:19:27.280] to be I don't know, but they appear to
[01:19:28.719] be, you know, in the past, not a recent
[01:19:31.040] thing. I'm not saying what happened,
[01:19:33.520] what didn't happen, but it's like
[01:19:36.480] you put someone on [ __ ] blast on
[01:19:38.560] Rogan.
[01:19:40.320] I still think that that's on you. So
[01:19:43.920] far, what I've seen from Lou reacting is
[01:19:46.880] he's trying to take the high road
[01:19:50.400] as much as he can because if he would
[01:19:52.159] have said, "Hell no," and went after
[01:19:54.560] these guys, you won't talk about fuel on
[01:19:56.480] the fire. I mean, it's already bad. But
[01:19:59.040] I just it's like you said someone has to
[01:20:01.600] give in or both sides have to [ __ ]
[01:20:05.520] realize we got to go back to living a
[01:20:07.040] normal life here and what is the goal of
[01:20:09.760] the community? And that's what I pushed
[01:20:11.280] yesterday and a couple other days. But
[01:20:12.960] it's like we're on the last couple days
[01:20:15.600] of 2025.
[01:20:17.600] Um if you do go on Rogan
[01:20:20.719] and we do have a plan and I know this is
[01:20:23.600] going to sound like I'm trying to make
[01:20:25.040] it about me. Go after the establishment.
[01:20:28.320] Why the [ __ ] has no one talked about a
[01:20:31.360] on the payroll
[01:20:33.760] SCES? Lieutenant Phillips's own words
[01:20:36.480] said served at the pleasure of the
[01:20:37.840] president going on to a podcast and
[01:20:40.239] accusing a United States citizen of
[01:20:43.120] extortion
[01:20:44.640] and not being safe to have around your
[01:20:46.719] family.
[01:20:49.120] Instead, you go into personal matters in
[01:20:51.920] the UFO community. For me, I say leave
[01:20:54.000] that in the locker room. Leave that in
[01:20:55.360] the clubhouse. We're always going to
[01:20:57.120] hate each other. to some degree. Let's
[01:20:59.120] keep that [ __ ] in the community. Um, and
[01:21:01.440] this isn't me siding with anybody or not
[01:21:03.040] signing anybody. I'm just saying I don't
[01:21:05.600] think anybody's going to watch that and
[01:21:06.960] be like, "Oh, let me get on UFO Twitter
[01:21:09.760] now. I want involved in this stuff."
[01:21:11.291] [laughter] Yeah.
[01:21:12.719] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[01:21:15.600] >> I I try and think of like what? So, for
[01:21:18.320] me, it's like, let's get the hell past
[01:21:19.760] this and let's get into 26. I don't
[01:21:21.440] know. That's just my thoughts. I wasn't
[01:21:22.880] involved in any of it. I get people have
[01:21:24.800] their emotions branded already. But
[01:21:28.640] >> as a media analyst, I arrived late to
[01:21:30.800] the party as you say too, but I I had
[01:21:34.560] been looking at everybody's activity for
[01:21:37.360] a little while and then I inserted
[01:21:39.360] myself into it, but I tried to stay in
[01:21:42.159] the periphery. Um, I do disagree on one
[01:21:44.880] thing though. I don't think that Lou
[01:21:48.239] needs to do uh something himself
[01:21:51.120] necessarily.
[01:21:53.040] um in order to be involved in in
[01:21:55.920] whatever reaction came out of that
[01:21:58.400] interview. Um I think that the way this
[01:22:01.440] has worked for a while is that there's a
[01:22:03.760] lot of people around him that do things
[01:22:06.000] and he doesn't have to do anything. Um
[01:22:08.639] people do things for him. So um when you
[01:22:12.000] say that he he's taking the high road
[01:22:14.000] and not doing anything, I'm not
[01:22:16.320] necessarily sure that's 100% accurate.
[01:22:19.840] Um, and and that's I'll just leave it at
[01:22:23.440] that.
[01:22:24.000] >> No, I think that's a good way to leave
[01:22:25.679] it because I mean, as I've said it, let
[01:22:28.080] me repeat it again. I'm not
[01:22:29.440] knowledgeable about everybody's,
[01:22:31.760] you know, ins and outs. You know, one of
[01:22:33.040] the first spaces I did, people were
[01:22:34.560] like, "Oh, look at who this guy
[01:22:35.760] follows." And I was like, I don't even
[01:22:37.120] know who I follow. It was like, if you
[01:22:38.800] followed me, I followed you back for
[01:22:40.159] like the first, you know, so many people
[01:22:42.800] I I could keep up to. I haven't done
[01:22:44.400] background checks to anybody, so I don't
[01:22:46.159] know what's going on. But for me again,
[01:22:50.000] reality says not what's right. What
[01:22:53.520] reality says is because we have so many
[01:22:55.760] people in so many different countries in
[01:22:58.639] this little box called UFO Twitter,
[01:23:01.920] nobody
[01:23:03.600] is going to come to that Disney fairy
[01:23:06.560] tale
[01:23:08.320] apologies and make things up. The best
[01:23:10.560] thing really to do is
[01:23:13.280] if it didn't get settled when whatever
[01:23:15.040] happened happened, it ain't going to get
[01:23:16.880] settled now. Is to just try and go back,
[01:23:19.199] put your head down, and get back to what
[01:23:20.800] your plan is moving forward. And don't
[01:23:25.600] involve people that aren't in it because
[01:23:28.239] that extends
[01:23:30.639] the life of something that doesn't need
[01:23:32.800] to be extended. This needs to be fire
[01:23:35.120] needs to be put out.
[01:23:36.800] >> Yeah.
[01:23:38.239] Um um where do you think that 2026 is
[01:23:42.159] going to take us with a lot of this? How
[01:23:45.199] do you see it unfolding?
[01:23:47.520] >> I think
[01:23:50.560] we are going to get our answers in the
[01:23:53.040] next about three months because you look
[01:23:56.159] at the UAP caucus starting to talk about
[01:23:59.440] there may not be another need for
[01:24:01.199] another hearing of just stories and
[01:24:03.840] that's not a knock against
[01:24:04.960] whistleblowers. I'm just saying they're
[01:24:06.560] starting to have different
[01:24:08.960] ideas. That's a good thing. Keep in mind
[01:24:12.800] that um Burlesen,
[01:24:16.080] several of the UAP caucus rounds, right,
[01:24:19.360] they're all up for election re-election
[01:24:21.199] in 2026. And that's really going to be
[01:24:23.760] the main focus.
[01:24:25.440] >> And so I think you're going to see
[01:24:27.920] >> people politicians really turn their
[01:24:30.560] head away from this other than the UAP
[01:24:32.719] caucus who's limited in power. But
[01:24:35.120] they're going to have to come up with a
[01:24:36.719] different plan or idea. As I understand
[01:24:39.440] they don't have any of the uh
[01:24:40.800] interrogatories that they sent even
[01:24:42.400] back, you know, I mean, they're just not
[01:24:44.320] getting they didn't get permission to go
[01:24:46.400] to the Nevada test range. So, if you're
[01:24:48.800] the government, you feel like you've got
[01:24:50.159] everybody stopped if that's what's going
[01:24:52.880] on. So, what do I think should happen is
[01:24:55.280] different than what do I think will
[01:24:56.639] happen. What do I think will happen is
[01:24:59.520] we'll all wait on the Spielberg movie.
[01:25:02.480] um you know, we'll keep going down this
[01:25:05.199] and that. And I just don't see it as a
[01:25:08.239] group of individuals yet that can put
[01:25:10.080] together a cohesive strategic
[01:25:12.880] plan, which is normal when you don't
[01:25:14.880] have an exact leadership. There's so
[01:25:18.480] many factions leading it. So, I know
[01:25:20.639] that doesn't directly answer the
[01:25:22.080] question, but I think the next three
[01:25:23.840] months for this group of people is so
[01:25:25.679] vitally important to try and get their
[01:25:28.560] [ __ ] together um as a group
[01:25:32.239] and go forward. I want to
[01:25:35.840] um
[01:25:37.679] I remain um confident that if we focus
[01:25:42.000] on what people that are brave enough to
[01:25:44.400] come forward
[01:25:46.159] um talk about and we vet everything they
[01:25:49.760] say uh thoroughly. I think that's the
[01:25:52.880] way forward. not not by cult of
[01:25:55.840] personality and uh different factions
[01:25:59.280] and who's right, who's wrong, pointing
[01:26:02.159] fingers and all that. If we focus on
[01:26:04.800] what the people coming forward are
[01:26:07.840] saying and doing and vet the info, I
[01:26:11.199] think that would be one of the few
[01:26:13.040] options that we have to actually get
[01:26:14.960] somewhere. Do you agree?
[01:26:16.320] >> I I agree with you on that. But again,
[01:26:19.440] the vetting is the process. I'll I'll
[01:26:21.920] say it. People not going to like it. But
[01:26:24.080] the individuals that people have to go
[01:26:26.159] through right now to get to anybody in
[01:26:29.040] this system, which is why people have
[01:26:31.520] been reaching out to me, these are valid
[01:26:33.360] people information, are the wrong
[01:26:35.280] [ __ ] people to be essentially picking
[01:26:37.679] who goes where and who gets to do what
[01:26:40.719] and who gets to meet who. And I'm saying
[01:26:43.199] that because you've had a couple years
[01:26:45.040] and it's not working.
[01:26:47.679] >> Yeah. But listen, man, you you know a
[01:26:49.920] lot of people, so I want to hear what
[01:26:51.520] you think
[01:26:53.440] >> is in the works. And you may not want to
[01:26:55.120] tell all your, you know, tidbits that
[01:26:56.960] you got, but you've got to have some
[01:26:58.800] idea of of what's cooking, you know, on
[01:27:01.760] the stove here.
[01:27:02.719] >> I do a little bit. Um there's a number
[01:27:06.880] of people that claim to have been
[01:27:09.199] working on these programs that are just
[01:27:12.400] waiting in the wind while
[01:27:15.840] um for the great for the opportunity to
[01:27:20.400] strike uh so to speak. I don't know when
[01:27:24.400] uh they're going to do it. I don't know.
[01:27:25.360] I don't even know if they're going to do
[01:27:26.320] it next year. But I I do know that there
[01:27:29.760] are at least two people that I know of
[01:27:32.480] that are not public that um they've
[01:27:36.960] already been thoroughly vetted and they
[01:27:40.080] are exactly who they say they are and
[01:27:42.800] they have really really wild stories to
[01:27:45.760] tell. Um and according to what I heard
[01:27:50.400] they also have evidence but I haven't
[01:27:53.120] seen any so I can't
[01:27:54.560] >> Yeah. Yeah. I can't really, you know, um
[01:27:57.120] and it's the same with you like uh how
[01:27:59.280] what you say it's it's just stories
[01:28:01.840] until we actually see some evidence.
[01:28:04.400] What convinced me that your story was um
[01:28:07.199] real besides Berles though is you showed
[01:28:10.639] me receipts, you showed me uh exchanges
[01:28:14.400] with um politicians that you had that
[01:28:18.400] that's evidence for me.
[01:28:19.840] >> I put that out there for people if they
[01:28:21.440] don't know, especially keep your
[01:28:23.120] receipts. That's an important part of
[01:28:24.800] this. Um,
[01:28:26.159] >> yes.
[01:28:27.760] So important [laughter]
[01:28:29.440] >> as we move forward. It is. You know, I
[01:28:31.760] mean,
[01:28:32.000] >> yeah,
[01:28:32.480] >> it's kind of like the FBI said, which
[01:28:34.400] is, you know, I didn't agree to help
[01:28:36.080] with them at this time because I feel
[01:28:39.040] like they've got to work through some
[01:28:40.400] folks that are just going to lead them
[01:28:42.560] um astray.
[01:28:45.520] >> Let's just leave it at that because
[01:28:47.120] that's what history has shown us.
[01:28:49.040] There's no there's nothing for them to
[01:28:51.520] really provide. And so
[01:28:54.000] >> what they said was is they were just
[01:28:56.080] going to operate under the pretty safe
[01:28:57.920] impression that I SSI would have called
[01:28:59.920] me back for two and a half years if I
[01:29:01.520] wasn't backing up and validating my
[01:29:03.440] claims. And so, you know, that's another
[01:29:05.760] thing in there is, you know, there was a
[01:29:08.719] lot that went on. But, but yeah, man.
[01:29:11.440] Um, as we get maybe down the road, get
[01:29:15.120] back together, I think there's going to
[01:29:16.719] be some important things happen when
[01:29:18.080] everybody comes back in January if they
[01:29:19.920] can get a budget worked out for the
[01:29:21.199] government. That's kind of what we're
[01:29:22.560] all waiting on.
[01:29:24.480] >> Yeah. Um, I can't say I'm not
[01:29:27.040] disappointed by uh not getting you to
[01:29:31.360] probably release some photos or videos.
[01:29:33.920] I want to keep trying though. [laughter]
[01:29:36.320] >> And I understand why you can't.
[01:29:38.159] >> Um, not that, but you know, as you see,
[01:29:40.880] I've been trying to get people to latch
[01:29:43.199] on to the true story of what's going on
[01:29:46.239] because you can't plan anything until
[01:29:47.760] you know how the hell stuff works. And
[01:29:50.080] there are some receipts that I've been
[01:29:52.960] thinking about for about the last two
[01:29:54.639] weeks here at the end of the year, but
[01:29:57.600] they're so damning, you know? It's um
[01:30:01.199] it's it's not dangerous as in personal
[01:30:03.760] danger, but it's dangerous as in you're
[01:30:05.520] going to poke the [ __ ] homelessness.
[01:30:07.280] But I might go ahead and start putting
[01:30:08.639] those out so people about their leaders
[01:30:12.000] as like,
[01:30:12.960] >> "Oh, no, no, no. That guy's on our side.
[01:30:15.280] Wait till you [ __ ] see."
[01:30:17.600] >> Oh. That'd be nice. I I'll be waiting
[01:30:20.080] for that and report on it for sure. Um,
[01:30:24.080] thank you, Mike. I I I do hope that we
[01:30:26.960] get uh to know where where this all ends
[01:30:31.600] up and that you get whatever you're
[01:30:34.320] looking for, though. Um hopefully we
[01:30:36.719] know more about that technology as well
[01:30:38.960] because I think it's very interesting
[01:30:40.400] and if it can and has the capability to
[01:30:43.600] potentially change something change the
[01:30:46.960] world I don't know
[01:30:49.600] >> it will change the world and that was
[01:30:50.880] the disappointment in the announcement
[01:30:52.239] for the community. um we can't get into
[01:30:55.600] here will be on here another two three
[01:30:57.280] hours but I mean Elon Musk like him or
[01:31:00.159] hate him he said that I actually
[01:31:01.840] repinned that I think it was like two
[01:31:03.760] weeks ago that essentially the creation
[01:31:07.040] of power electricity is worth more than
[01:31:09.840] anything else in the world which is the
[01:31:11.600] way the world's going for many reasons
[01:31:13.840] and that's the world's richest man so
[01:31:16.239] when you look at the power source that's
[01:31:17.760] before you get into everything else
[01:31:20.480] yeah the world's changed man
[01:31:23.360] Oh, wow.
[01:31:24.880] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, thank you, Mike. Um, uh,
[01:31:29.840] anything you got to say to the people
[01:31:31.280] before we leave, before we cut it?
[01:31:34.719] >> No, I mean, I I don't have much of a
[01:31:37.600] presence on Twitter a whole lot other
[01:31:39.679] just than um here and there. Uh,
[01:31:43.440] whistleblowers and the people with
[01:31:45.199] evidence, they can still reach out to
[01:31:47.040] me. I mean, it's not a full-time job,
[01:31:48.800] but I'm kind of just been where if I pop
[01:31:50.880] up on a podcast like this, then
[01:31:54.400] I'm there, you know? I mean, I'm still
[01:31:56.000] traveling around with my face blanked
[01:31:57.520] out. That's kind of the nature of the
[01:32:00.080] business. But I do hope people kind of
[01:32:01.760] understand why I did things the way I
[01:32:04.159] did and the lessons to be learned from
[01:32:09.440] that move forward.
[01:32:11.440] >> All right, man. Thank you so much. And
[01:32:14.080] this is going to come out today, uh, a
[01:32:16.320] little later today. So, uh, be on the
[01:32:18.960] lookout for it. I'll I'll let you know
[01:32:20.639] when it comes out.
[01:32:22.400] >> Yeah, pal. If I don't talk to you, man,
[01:32:23.840] have you good New Year's.
[01:32:25.280] >> Yeah, you too, man. Thank you for being
[01:32:27.120] a guest. And you you're welcome anytime.
[01:32:30.239] All right.
[01:32:31.040] >> Appreciate it.
[01:32:32.080] >> All right, man. Take care. Bye, people.
[01:32:34.320] You know what to do. Like and subscribe
[01:32:36.000] and everything, you know. Bye, Mike.
[01:32:38.400] >> I'm waving.
[01:32:49.529] >> [music]
[01:32:54.080] >> Secoactive.
[01:32:56.639] Seoactive.