Tucker Carlson interviews Rep. Tim Burchett — underwater UFOs & non-human tech (2025)

Source: The Tucker Carlson Show (YouTube), "New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding | Rep. Tim Burchett." Guest: Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN), House Oversight; co-organizer of the July 2023 UAP hearing. Published: 2025-10-10. Duration: 1:37:26. Views: ~1.24M. URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3eiFAl2JtQ Extraction: youtube_transcript.py (auto-captions; >> marks a turn — Tucker vs. Burchett inferred from context), captured 2026-06-05. Verbatim auto-transcript. Analysis: ../../sources/tucker-burchett-underwater-ufo-2025.

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[00:00:00.160] Thank you, Congressman, for doing this.
[00:00:01.520] I never talk about UFO.
[00:00:03.760] >> Thank you, Tim. Uh, never talk about
[00:00:05.759] UFOs. We don't do shows on UFOs, UAPs,
[00:00:08.080] whatever they're calling them, these
[00:00:09.120] mysterious lights, these objects,
[00:00:10.880] because I know for a dead certain fact
[00:00:13.120] that there is an ongoing 70-year ongoing
[00:00:16.640] disinformation campaign by the US
[00:00:18.320] government to soak confusion. Um, some
[00:00:21.520] of the people participating in that
[00:00:23.039] effort, I don't think they know they're
[00:00:24.960] participating in the effort, but they
[00:00:26.240] are nevertheless selling lies in an
[00:00:30.080] effort to get people off the trail of
[00:00:32.079] what this really is. There is something
[00:00:33.600] going on. What is it? It It's so hard to
[00:00:36.480] know. You're one of the few people from
[00:00:39.200] my perspective who seems sincere. Um,
[00:00:42.000] you're also al also informed as a member
[00:00:43.680] of Congress and so I'm just grateful
[00:00:45.440] that you're doing this uh because I
[00:00:48.079] think you're going to be telling the
[00:00:49.039] truth. So um what are these things?
[00:00:59.120] [Applause]
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[00:01:07.940] [Applause]
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[00:01:13.040] >> Well, I don't know. I think there's um a
[00:01:15.280] lot of different misconceptions about
[00:01:18.000] them. Um, you know, I I I kind of came
[00:01:20.400] into it organically, I guess. I had
[00:01:22.560] pretty cool parents. They would just um
[00:01:25.040] take me to the library and just let me
[00:01:27.119] stay or I'd ride my bike over and stay a
[00:01:29.119] couple hours and grew up in the 70s in
[00:01:30.799] Tennessee. And, you know, I guess now
[00:01:33.360] you'd probably taken to DCS or something
[00:01:35.840] for that. But yeah,
[00:01:36.960] >> you know, I went in there and I can
[00:01:38.320] remember there was a a stack of books on
[00:01:40.159] a thing and you know they had all the
[00:01:42.079] you know something on
[00:01:44.000] >> uh maybe the occult or something like
[00:01:46.079] that and then Bigfoot and then um or
[00:01:48.479] something on UFOs and I picked up the
[00:01:50.079] UFO book started reading about it and it
[00:01:52.240] it just fascinated me and I and I read
[00:01:54.880] the Bible. I'm a Christian. I'm not a
[00:01:56.799] very good one obviously by my chosen
[00:01:58.640] profession but but you know the Bible
[00:02:02.960] talks about um Ezekiel saw the wheel and
[00:02:07.280] >> people always say well that was a dream
[00:02:08.959] you know they always try to overexlain
[00:02:10.640] things in the Bible and I just think it
[00:02:12.480] was a it's written for simple folks like
[00:02:14.959] me and I agree with that
[00:02:16.879] >> and it was a translation though and at
[00:02:19.760] the time the most technologically
[00:02:21.680] advanced item that they had was a wheel
[00:02:24.000] and it describes a wheel within a wheel.
[00:02:26.400] >> Exactly.
[00:02:26.800] >> It describes a landing gear and all
[00:02:28.400] these other things that we would today
[00:02:30.959] say are modern-day flying saucers.
[00:02:34.160] >> And it's pretty specific and it's a
[00:02:36.160] pretty The Ezekiel passage you're
[00:02:37.920] referring to is it it it's not just like
[00:02:40.879] a parenthetical note. It's like a it's
[00:02:43.120] like a whole description.
[00:02:44.160] >> Oh yeah. He goes into it. He describes I
[00:02:46.239] think the landing gear in some
[00:02:48.319] translations uh it talks about it being
[00:02:51.519] hooves of animal like the hoof of an
[00:02:53.440] animal which if you see you know you see
[00:02:55.360] when we went when we went to the moon
[00:02:57.680] that there's um the landing gear the you
[00:03:00.879] know it's got a pad if we actually went
[00:03:02.720] to the moon um I know there's a lot of
[00:03:04.800] people there that don't believe it but
[00:03:06.560] >> I'm arching my eyebrows but we'll
[00:03:08.000] refrain from comment.
[00:03:08.879] >> Yeah. Yeah. But the um but but uh so I'm
[00:03:13.280] laying on my couch. Fast forward, I'm in
[00:03:15.200] Congress. I'm laying on my couch and I'm
[00:03:17.760] I'm getting ready to go to sleep. I
[00:03:19.519] sleep in my office um in shower in the
[00:03:22.159] gym. I'm not, as my banker says, he
[00:03:24.800] called me one day and said um he said he
[00:03:27.360] said, "Brother, you're um" He said, "I'm
[00:03:29.760] pretty sure that you're the most honest
[00:03:31.200] member of Congress, but I know you're
[00:03:32.640] the poorest." So, so I I I do that. And
[00:03:36.720] um and so I was watching there was a
[00:03:38.720] thing on UFOs and they were talking
[00:03:40.319] about um some former members were
[00:03:43.120] involved in some stuff trying to find
[00:03:44.879] out something. I thought, you know, I'm
[00:03:46.159] going to start asking some questions.
[00:03:48.159] And then I'm walking down the street and
[00:03:51.040] the center of all media in Washington
[00:03:52.799] DC, TMZ, his name is Colin. He's a good
[00:03:55.440] friend of mine. We've been to lunch and
[00:03:57.920] hang out some, but he he stopped me and
[00:04:00.879] I didn't know who he was and he said,
[00:04:02.080] "Hey, I'm with TMZ." said, "What do you
[00:04:04.000] think about this UFO report that's
[00:04:05.439] getting ready to come out?" And I said I
[00:04:07.680] said, "Brother, it'll look like it was
[00:04:09.040] shot with a shotgun because it'll be
[00:04:10.959] it'll be all redacted."
[00:04:12.400] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:04:12.799] >> And and then um and I said, "And if it
[00:04:16.400] and it won't come out when they say it's
[00:04:18.000] going to come out."
[00:04:19.280] >> And I said, "Really? Why?" And I said,
[00:04:20.560] "Well, probably because the original
[00:04:23.199] report is probably going to have
[00:04:24.479] something in it and they're going to
[00:04:25.520] pull it back." And sure enough, they
[00:04:26.880] did. And it was heavily redacted and it
[00:04:28.720] was just a big fluff piece, nothing. And
[00:04:31.280] then I said the magic words which end up
[00:04:33.280] putting on one of my t-shirts which I
[00:04:34.880] sell on my website that um more people
[00:04:37.360] believe in UFOs than believe in
[00:04:39.520] Congress. And um
[00:04:41.440] >> and for good reason
[00:04:42.240] >> and for great reason. Um and so people
[00:04:45.840] started calling me, you know, all these
[00:04:47.600] national figures that are you see
[00:04:49.520] reporters, legitimate reporters like
[00:04:51.440] yourself, people from all over the
[00:04:53.440] country. And um so I start asking
[00:04:56.800] questions and um and I get with Luna and
[00:05:00.720] some other folks. Matt Gates was
[00:05:02.560] involved in it at the time. And um we uh
[00:05:06.880] we went to the chairman and said, "Let's
[00:05:10.000] have a let's have a hearing." And I
[00:05:12.160] think they really Tucker I think they
[00:05:13.360] just patted us on the head and said,
[00:05:14.560] "Sure, we'll have the hearing, you know,
[00:05:16.000] and they're going to make fun of you and
[00:05:17.680] go on." Turned out I talked to some
[00:05:20.160] old-timers that were there um reporters.
[00:05:23.360] They said that was the most
[00:05:26.000] uh the most attended hearing they'd ever
[00:05:28.880] had. They had to open up another room
[00:05:30.800] and there were people lined up down the
[00:05:32.320] hall. When I walked out at um I see it
[00:05:36.479] was I guess in the morning I I walked
[00:05:38.479] out of office had to be on an early show
[00:05:40.160] about it at 4:30 in the morning. People
[00:05:42.400] were already lined up outside the
[00:05:43.759] building and they come from all over the
[00:05:45.440] country. One guy came on his vacation
[00:05:47.039] and there was ministers there. There's
[00:05:48.639] people. So, it really touched a nerve
[00:05:50.880] and um
[00:05:52.400] >> they're hoping for disclosure.
[00:05:53.840] >> That's exactly right. The truth and
[00:05:55.280] they're tired of being told they're
[00:05:57.039] idiots and you know and the funny thing
[00:05:58.720] about it all is is that when I go to
[00:06:01.199] speak to groups it never fails that
[00:06:05.039] somebody of prominence of prominence
[00:06:07.919] will come a doctor, a lawyer, a PR
[00:06:10.160] person will come up to me and say, "Hey,
[00:06:12.160] I had a experience. I was sitting at a I
[00:06:14.639] was helping out a colleague. I I rarely
[00:06:16.800] go out of town. This is kind of unusual
[00:06:19.280] for me. So, this is kind of a a
[00:06:21.199] interesting deal for me up here, but I
[00:06:23.440] went to another congressman's district
[00:06:25.440] to help him um run for reelection. We're
[00:06:28.080] sitting in a country club and um and I'm
[00:06:31.199] not a country clubber type, as you can
[00:06:33.199] probably tell. Jackie Gleason said, "I
[00:06:35.440] wouldn't join a country club that have
[00:06:36.720] somebody like me." And I'm sort of like
[00:06:38.160] that way, you know. And I sit next to
[00:06:40.000] this lady and she was classy. You could
[00:06:42.720] tell she was she was old money. She
[00:06:45.039] wasn't new money. She wasn't She had
[00:06:47.039] nice jewelry on and she had the clothes
[00:06:50.000] you could tell were were nice and she
[00:06:52.080] was she was just a classy lady. And she
[00:06:54.319] said she said, "Well, Congressman, about
[00:06:57.199] those UFOs." And I thought, "Well, here
[00:06:58.960] it comes. You know, I'm going to get
[00:07:00.560] popped." And she said, "I had an
[00:07:03.120] experience when I was um when I was in
[00:07:05.840] college." She said she talked about
[00:07:07.919] going to pick up her um her brother and
[00:07:11.440] this thing followed them down um it for
[00:07:14.319] several minutes. You know, it was um
[00:07:17.360] cylindrical shaped um
[00:07:20.639] and it followed them. It was I think it
[00:07:22.880] was close to dark and it was kind of lit
[00:07:24.880] up. It had a I think a bluish tint to it
[00:07:27.759] or something and it flew it followed
[00:07:29.440] them for quite some time and then it
[00:07:31.840] just took off and they were like, "What
[00:07:33.120] in the world was that?" and they, you
[00:07:34.880] know, this was in the 70s and um and she
[00:07:38.400] said, "I really haven't really told many
[00:07:39.759] people that." And I get stories like
[00:07:41.759] that. I had a and and when they film you
[00:07:44.880] when I was early on in Congress, I had
[00:07:47.280] plenty of time obviously. Um it being
[00:07:49.840] the 435th most powerful member of
[00:07:51.759] Congress and you know these uh History
[00:07:54.479] Channel, all these folks would come
[00:07:55.680] interview me and they would do one time
[00:07:57.039] they interview me for like an hour. So
[00:07:58.960] they would take segments of that and put
[00:08:00.720] that out for just multiple issues, you
[00:08:03.520] know, of of their TV show hunting UFOs
[00:08:06.240] or whatever. And I remember I was in
[00:08:08.240] Nashville at the time and a colleague, a
[00:08:10.720] former state legislator, a guy was in
[00:08:12.720] leadership called me up. And I remember
[00:08:15.199] he and I, it's kind of ironic that he
[00:08:18.319] was back back in East Tennessee and I
[00:08:19.919] was in Nashville for a get together I
[00:08:22.800] was throwing for our state legislators
[00:08:24.319] cuz nobody ever when I was in
[00:08:26.080] legislature, nobody ever did anything
[00:08:27.440] for us from Congress and I just get down
[00:08:29.599] there and throw him a spaghetti dinner
[00:08:30.960] or something, you know. And the phone
[00:08:33.120] rang and it was him. And he said,
[00:08:34.800] "Timbo," he said, "I just saw you on TV
[00:08:37.120] on the UFO show." And I said, "Really?"
[00:08:40.399] And I thought, "Here it comes. He's
[00:08:41.680] going to pop me." He said, "Let me tell
[00:08:43.760] you a story about when I was in the
[00:08:44.959] Navy." And he was older. He was
[00:08:47.120] hollering back at his wife. What year
[00:08:48.399] was that? And she would holler. It was I
[00:08:50.720] think it was in the late 50s. And he was
[00:08:52.800] on a um I believe it's a tin can, but
[00:08:55.120] that's a destroyer. You probably know
[00:08:56.560] more. You could But anyway, he was in
[00:08:58.640] the Navy. And he said they were, it was
[00:09:00.399] early on when they were first um putting
[00:09:03.040] nuclear um uh missiles on subs. They
[00:09:06.880] were unloading a missile for the sub.
[00:09:09.360] And he said the sub got out there and
[00:09:11.920] then this thing just flew over the top
[00:09:13.839] of them. He said, remember said, Timbo,
[00:09:16.320] if that thing was two city blocks, it
[00:09:19.120] was it had to be two city blocks wide.
[00:09:21.920] He said it was cylindrical. And he named
[00:09:23.920] it and he described it. And then he said
[00:09:26.240] it um um he said it just took off. No
[00:09:31.120] noise, no heat, no vapor, nothing. And
[00:09:34.320] they all just stood there and we're
[00:09:36.560] talking. They're going, "What the heck
[00:09:38.080] was that?"
[00:09:38.800] >> Yeah.
[00:09:39.200] >> You know, and then they get back on
[00:09:40.720] shore. They go back to shore and he said
[00:09:43.040] that um you know the men in the suit, he
[00:09:45.360] said, "I figured it was CIA or
[00:09:46.880] something." And they said, "If y'all
[00:09:48.800] don't is this national security? If you
[00:09:50.959] ever talk about this, you'll be busting
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[00:11:10.800] >> Not one bit.
[00:11:11.680] >> No. And the question is why? You know,
[00:11:15.600] why would the US government have an
[00:11:17.279] interest in lying about something that's
[00:11:19.680] visible to millions of people around the
[00:11:21.600] world? So many people, as you just said,
[00:11:23.279] have had the experience of seeing them
[00:11:24.880] in person.
[00:11:26.720] Why would they have an interest in
[00:11:29.120] hurting those people, calling them
[00:11:30.480] crazy,
[00:11:31.360] >> right?
[00:11:32.320] >> Threatening them, um, etc. So, tell us
[00:11:35.040] about your experience as you've pushed
[00:11:37.440] for more disclosure. What kind of
[00:11:39.120] reaction have you received?
[00:11:40.160] >> I think the arrogance from the federal
[00:11:42.320] government, um, there's a control thing
[00:11:44.959] that you see in every aspect of
[00:11:46.480] government. Everybody in power wants to
[00:11:48.399] keep you out of their little circle of
[00:11:50.399] power,
[00:11:50.880] >> of course. And I think the monetary
[00:11:54.079] concern is there. I if if could you
[00:11:57.680] imagine if they had something that would
[00:12:02.079] could heat homes in the summer in the in
[00:12:05.519] the winter and cool them in the summer
[00:12:08.240] and had zero cost. I mean it's something
[00:12:12.240] that we could it would put everybody out
[00:12:14.240] of business. The war pimps at the
[00:12:15.600] Pentagon would have to go out of
[00:12:16.720] business. they wouldn't we wouldn't have
[00:12:18.320] to be in wars all over the world which
[00:12:20.399] are if you get down to it's it's about
[00:12:22.480] oil. It's always a battle oil. And um
[00:12:25.920] and so you've got the greed factor, you
[00:12:28.560] got the power factor, and then you got
[00:12:30.720] just the arrogance. And the Bible talks
[00:12:32.480] about professing themselves to be wives.
[00:12:34.079] They became fools. That's right. And
[00:12:35.519] there's nobody in Washington that
[00:12:36.959] doesn't think they're wise.
[00:12:38.399] >> I wonder though, I mean, for sure. So
[00:12:41.200] you think there um this is an effort to
[00:12:44.240] hide the existence of superior
[00:12:46.240] technology because it's a threat to
[00:12:47.920] existing industry.
[00:12:49.120] >> I think that's part of it and also but
[00:12:51.279] it's like this you you we're motorcycle
[00:12:53.360] guys. Say if I took a say I took a brand
[00:12:56.639] new Indian or Harley-Davidson down to uh
[00:12:59.279] back in time to you know the Mayflower
[00:13:01.839] or whatever and gave it to them you know
[00:13:04.160] they would maybe shine it. They wouldn't
[00:13:06.240] know how to
[00:13:07.360] >> do anything. I mean of course they
[00:13:08.880] didn't have car we don't have
[00:13:09.760] carburetors. They wouldn't know how to
[00:13:10.880] do anything with fuel injection. They
[00:13:12.399] probably couldn't ever make the fuel
[00:13:14.000] high enough octane where it kick it off.
[00:13:16.000] They maybe could get it started if they
[00:13:18.000] got lucky at some point, right?
[00:13:19.839] >> But that would be a rarity. I think
[00:13:21.440] that's sort of if there is something
[00:13:23.680] >> that they can't they don't know what it
[00:13:25.839] is. And I think too
[00:13:27.600] >> they have um compartmentalized this
[00:13:30.240] stuff. So you think foyer, I'm going to
[00:13:32.000] freedom of information. Everybody says,
[00:13:33.519] "Well, just freedom of information at
[00:13:34.959] Burchick. Go to Area 51." There's
[00:13:37.040] nothing at Area 51. they've moved it to
[00:13:38.800] right pad or something else since then.
[00:13:41.120] But the point is is that everybody in
[00:13:44.480] government is looking down the barrel or
[00:13:46.560] looking in their little area. And to
[00:13:49.120] their knowledge, most of those people
[00:13:50.720] are telling the truth. And they sent it
[00:13:52.720] off to these these there's five or six
[00:13:55.120] corporations that it's been in it's been
[00:13:57.440] disclosed in in um in hearings that we
[00:14:00.639] think probably has some of this
[00:14:03.120] technology, but it has been so
[00:14:05.199] compartmentalized the people. I mean,
[00:14:06.959] there's nobody alive that was around
[00:14:08.320] when in Roswell of 47 and incidents that
[00:14:11.600] happened in Texas and others all over
[00:14:13.279] the all over the world. And so, they
[00:14:16.320] don't really know what they're looking
[00:14:17.600] at. They're looking at something and
[00:14:19.120] they've they've associated it or given
[00:14:21.440] it to these corporations that have a
[00:14:24.639] quasi governmental connection, but
[00:14:26.639] they're far enough apart where I can't
[00:14:28.160] go foyer. I can't go foyer Ford. I mean,
[00:14:30.320] I could, but they're just going to tell
[00:14:31.600] me go jump in the lake. I'm not going to
[00:14:33.360] tell you. But I'm I guess I'm stumbling
[00:14:36.320] over kind of the most basic claim that
[00:14:38.399] they make, which is that all this
[00:14:40.000] information is classified.
[00:14:42.000] >> Yeah.
[00:14:42.399] >> On what grounds could the federal
[00:14:44.399] government justify classifying
[00:14:47.040] reports of things that it's servicemen
[00:14:50.160] have seen?
[00:14:50.959] >> Every time it's national security,
[00:14:52.320] Tucker,
[00:14:52.800] >> what does that mean?
[00:14:53.680] >> I I don't know. But they but you have a
[00:14:55.600] group of people that are so afraid of
[00:14:57.519] the well the industrial war machine that
[00:14:59.839] funds their campaigns. So, you go to
[00:15:01.600] these, you look at all the people that
[00:15:03.920] that that stop when I have a disclosure
[00:15:06.000] bill. I just want to know, you know, I'm
[00:15:07.920] not saying they're out there, but we're
[00:15:09.199] spending tens of million. Every
[00:15:10.560] department, FBI, CIA,
[00:15:13.519] um I'm pretty sure TVA doesn't, but they
[00:15:16.160] probably should, but there's probably
[00:15:17.760] every every alphabet agency in the
[00:15:20.160] country has a have a has a wing that's
[00:15:22.800] investigating these things. NASA, they
[00:15:24.959] are all doing it. They're all doing
[00:15:26.240] they'll admit that they're they're
[00:15:27.360] looking at something, but then you come
[00:15:28.959] to them, they say, "They don't exist,
[00:15:30.320] but we need the money to do it." And now
[00:15:32.399] the interesting thing is,
[00:15:33.680] >> and that's in the budget.
[00:15:34.959] >> Oh, yeah. And now the interesting thing
[00:15:36.800] is is that the um uh is that they've um
[00:15:41.760] u seen that the opinion polls are
[00:15:44.079] showing that over half the people in the
[00:15:45.839] country believe something else is going
[00:15:47.440] on,
[00:15:48.079] >> of course.
[00:15:48.720] >> And so now they're saying, "Hey, we need
[00:15:51.199] money to study this." I mean it's it's
[00:15:53.120] the cat drag going after its tail really
[00:15:55.680] and it's just a circular thing that they
[00:15:57.680] just after money and they don't really
[00:15:59.600] care.
[00:16:00.399] >> Well, of course they don't. That's for
[00:16:03.199] sure. But there is a process by which
[00:16:06.720] the Congress demands disclosure and that
[00:16:09.199] process has been thwarted and I'm just
[00:16:10.880] interested in getting details on how
[00:16:13.040] that happened. So the UAP disclosure act
[00:16:14.880] of 2023 I think
[00:16:17.519] >> required disclosure that passed right
[00:16:20.800] >> allegedly. But again, who's going to
[00:16:23.440] enforce it?
[00:16:25.199] >> So, but what did that do you remember
[00:16:26.560] what that act required?
[00:16:28.480] >> It is um I do not believe it passed. The
[00:16:31.839] one that I'm thinking about did not pass
[00:16:33.440] in the Senate because you remember I had
[00:16:35.440] the bill. It was two pages long for
[00:16:37.680] disclosure.
[00:16:38.480] >> What did it say?
[00:16:39.040] >> And then it just said if it dealt with
[00:16:40.880] UAPs, UFOs, it disclose it. If it if a
[00:16:44.560] file contains it, America has a right to
[00:16:46.800] see it. Unredacted. And Chuck Schumer's
[00:16:49.680] was several hundred pages long and it
[00:16:52.240] was celebrated by everybody and it set
[00:16:54.880] up a commission very similar to the
[00:16:56.800] Kennedy assassination which here we are
[00:17:00.160] you know 60 plus years later and still
[00:17:02.720] you know they're telling us this single
[00:17:04.319] bullet
[00:17:05.360] >> that that was and you're you're a gunman
[00:17:07.280] that they found on a gurnie that was
[00:17:09.280] basically unscratched
[00:17:11.120] >> you know an hour and a half after the
[00:17:12.720] assassination in in the hospital at
[00:17:15.360] Lakeland
[00:17:16.000] >> after going through two bodies
[00:17:17.199] >> after two bodies. and bone and
[00:17:18.720] everything else and it doesn't it just
[00:17:20.720] but anyway
[00:17:21.360] >> so but Schumer's solution was we needed
[00:17:24.000] a Warren commission to tell us the truth
[00:17:26.720] about
[00:17:27.120] >> to who can decide and that basically
[00:17:29.440] would just cover it up and I trust
[00:17:31.600] America
[00:17:32.080] >> why would of course of course there's
[00:17:35.520] but why would Chuck Schumer do that like
[00:17:38.720] what's his motive do you have any idea
[00:17:40.640] >> I think his staffers drew up the bill
[00:17:42.720] and I think honestly in their in their
[00:17:45.440] mind they probably thought it was the
[00:17:47.360] right thing. But here's my thing about
[00:17:48.880] staffers. Everybody wants to talk about
[00:17:51.200] sta, you know, the the the the swamp,
[00:17:54.000] and I always go through this. A swamp is
[00:17:55.679] something pretty cool. God created a
[00:17:57.520] swamp. I I grew up frog gigging and
[00:17:59.840] fishing around swamps. They're pretty
[00:18:02.080] cool. They're they attract animals for
[00:18:03.840] good reason.
[00:18:04.960] >> And um uh and so Washington DC is not is
[00:18:09.600] is not a a swamp. It is a sewer. It is a
[00:18:12.559] man-made creation. Now, figure this.
[00:18:14.880] You've got a staffer. Um, and
[00:18:17.520] Republicans were supposed to be less
[00:18:19.360] government. I look at these st we get
[00:18:22.320] these pictures made every year, every
[00:18:24.240] couple years. I don't know why. I've
[00:18:25.840] never seen the picture. I'm not going to
[00:18:27.120] hang it up my dad gum office of your
[00:18:28.799] committee, you know, and all the people
[00:18:30.400] on the committee and then all the
[00:18:31.760] staffers behind it. I counted one time
[00:18:33.919] on ours, I think it was close in one of
[00:18:35.919] my committees, close to 50 people and I
[00:18:38.240] guess the Democrats would get 49 people.
[00:18:40.720] You know, we're supposed to be less
[00:18:42.160] government. So you have a staffer say
[00:18:44.480] that contra that is and the committees
[00:18:46.480] are just too big. And too many of these
[00:18:48.480] chairman the biggest mistake they make
[00:18:50.240] is we're going to be different. We're
[00:18:51.600] going to be different. And what do they
[00:18:52.720] do? They keep almost every dadum staffer
[00:18:55.600] and the staffer is already plugged in
[00:18:57.280] with the lobbyist with the K Street
[00:18:58.799] crowd. And they're the ones probably
[00:19:00.640] getting a little trip somewhere, maybe
[00:19:02.400] going out for a steak dinner, going out
[00:19:04.080] for drinks, and they're compromised. And
[00:19:06.720] so how many I can't tell you how many
[00:19:08.880] times I've seen a good bill become a
[00:19:11.760] study bill.
[00:19:13.039] >> I completely agree except in most cases
[00:19:15.679] it's like obvious why industry would
[00:19:19.280] want to subvert the legislation like
[00:19:21.520] they don't want the regulation. They
[00:19:23.440] don't want competition. You know there
[00:19:26.080] are a lot of different obvious reasons
[00:19:27.520] and you sort of see how the staffs are
[00:19:29.039] paid off. I get it.
[00:19:30.400] >> But UFOs like is there a UFO lobby? Like
[00:19:34.400] who wants that? Who's paying for that?
[00:19:35.760] >> I think and why?
[00:19:36.799] >> I think you've got major technology
[00:19:38.880] corporations, um, a aeronautics, um,
[00:19:43.440] some of our missile defense people, for
[00:19:45.760] some reason, they do not want this
[00:19:47.760] released.
[00:19:48.559] >> That's very weird because whatever is
[00:19:50.880] going on is clearly or would seem to be
[00:19:53.120] a threat to them.
[00:19:54.080] >> Well, look at the You
[00:19:55.120] >> don't control your airspace, which we
[00:19:56.880] don't, right?
[00:19:57.840] >> Why is that not a problem for Rathon?
[00:20:00.400] >> Look at the financial disclosure of the
[00:20:02.240] people that always fight me on these
[00:20:03.840] bills.
[00:20:05.120] That's what I would tell you to do.
[00:20:06.720] >> And if we were to do that, I can think
[00:20:08.960] of one.
[00:20:09.679] >> You see the names of a couple those with
[00:20:12.080] those a couple of those corporations.
[00:20:13.679] >> So, it's defense contractors are the
[00:20:15.919] bottom line is I think what you're
[00:20:18.080] saying is that the defense contractors
[00:20:19.679] for some reason we can only speculate
[00:20:21.679] don't want this information disclosed.
[00:20:23.840] >> That's correct.
[00:20:25.760] >> Well, that's a very powerful lobby. Of
[00:20:27.520] course,
[00:20:28.000] >> it's one of the most powerful ones.
[00:20:29.440] That's why we're That's why we're um
[00:20:31.679] sending $600 million to Ukraine and the
[00:20:34.559] uh national defense authoriz which I
[00:20:36.400] didn't vote for. Um I wanted to give our
[00:20:39.360] military more money, military fighting
[00:20:41.200] men more money, but I didn't want to
[00:20:42.880] give the war pimps any more reason to
[00:20:45.200] Ukraine or any of these other wars we're
[00:20:47.120] in.
[00:20:47.520] >> No. And the interesting about the $600
[00:20:49.440] million,
[00:20:51.039] uh, I was told by our leadership and in
[00:20:54.320] in a in a conference that the president
[00:20:56.400] had requested that and then I talked to
[00:20:58.880] the White House and guess what? The
[00:21:00.799] president had not requested that.
[00:21:02.400] >> Right. That's right.
[00:21:03.840] >> Just $600 million. So, Burch, what's
[00:21:05.919] they going to do with that?
[00:21:06.640] >> I watch people jump. I mean, I'm not the
[00:21:08.640] world's great Trump expert, but I feel
[00:21:10.480] like I paid pretty close attention. I
[00:21:12.400] hear these people jump up and down.
[00:21:13.919] Trump, this is in the name of Trump.
[00:21:15.760] That's like that's the opposite of what
[00:21:17.520] I think he wants, but whatever. Well,
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[00:22:45.200] Um, so I'm not surprised by anything
[00:22:47.200] you've said, but I do think it it raises
[00:22:49.280] like the the core question, which I
[00:22:51.840] still am confused by. It's like why
[00:22:53.840] would Rathon be so opposed to the
[00:22:55.919] disclosure of this information? So, what
[00:22:58.320] exactly hap where are we with
[00:23:00.240] disclosure?
[00:23:00.960] >> A lot of people think that there that
[00:23:02.559] these folks are the ones that have the
[00:23:04.000] material from whatever craft or whatever
[00:23:06.640] it is. That's what I've been told by
[00:23:08.559] people in government in that are in the
[00:23:11.919] know. And I've, you know, it's funny. It
[00:23:15.360] was like um
[00:23:16.799] >> these companies have benefited from
[00:23:18.240] technology from whatever these things
[00:23:20.080] are.
[00:23:20.400] >> Apparently, that's what they're telling
[00:23:21.520] me. Yeah.
[00:23:22.799] >> And inform people, not just people
[00:23:24.720] >> No, not just some guy on the street. And
[00:23:26.320] it's funny. I've I've had a um the deep
[00:23:29.440] throat moment, you know, where Nixon um
[00:23:32.880] was overthrown and and somebody comes up
[00:23:35.360] to me in the hallway in a crowded
[00:23:37.440] hallway. Uh somebody who I would be
[00:23:40.640] consider a friend and said, "Burchett,
[00:23:42.240] man, you really don't need to be doing
[00:23:44.000] this stuff, don't you, man? You're
[00:23:45.200] kicking a hornets's nest on this thing,
[00:23:47.200] you know,
[00:23:47.600] >> on the UFO stuff."
[00:23:48.559] >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And
[00:23:51.360] um I've had them try to use it against
[00:23:54.000] me in campaigns and things, but you
[00:23:56.320] know, they don't we don't ever raise
[00:23:57.760] enough money to to matter anyway.
[00:23:59.760] >> Use against you in campaigns.
[00:24:01.360] >> Yeah. And the whisper campaign or they
[00:24:03.440] put it out on the internet. Burchets's,
[00:24:05.280] you know, all he cares about is this.
[00:24:07.039] No, I just care about where's the tens
[00:24:08.960] of millions of dollars going. I have a
[00:24:10.640] right to know.
[00:24:11.440] >> Well, like this is the biggest story in
[00:24:13.840] our in human history, I would think. I
[00:24:16.320] mean, like what is that?
[00:24:17.440] >> Are we alone? Yeah,
[00:24:19.360] >> clearly not. And so you're satisfied,
[00:24:21.360] just to get to basics here quickly,
[00:24:23.120] you're satisfied that whatever we're
[00:24:25.120] seeing in the skies and have since at
[00:24:26.640] least the Second World War, since at
[00:24:29.120] least the development of nuclear
[00:24:30.640] weapons,
[00:24:31.440] >> Yeah.
[00:24:32.080] >> since Hiroshima, whatever that is is not
[00:24:35.440] foreign military.
[00:24:36.799] >> No, cuz here here it is. If it was
[00:24:39.120] Russian, I mean, honestly, Putin with
[00:24:41.679] his ego, he would ride barechested down
[00:24:44.240] Pennsylvania Avenue, get out of UFO, you
[00:24:47.039] know, wrestle a
[00:24:49.520] a bear on the front porch of the of the
[00:24:52.080] White House and get back in his unifor.
[00:24:53.520] I mean, we he wouldn't be bogged down in
[00:24:54.960] Ukraine. If it was China, they would own
[00:24:57.120] us. They they clearly partially own us
[00:24:59.440] now. Man, if it was America, you
[00:25:01.840] wouldn't see Trump standing on a um an
[00:25:04.400] aircraft carrier and a a jet flies by
[00:25:07.760] and breaks the sound barrier and
[00:25:08.799] everybody freaks thinks that's the
[00:25:09.919] coolest thing in I mean it would be
[00:25:11.279] something a lot cooler than that. And so
[00:25:13.840] I just don't think we have that
[00:25:15.200] technology or we're able to utilize it.
[00:25:17.520] >> So you've So in the course of your
[00:25:19.840] probing into this, no one has ever taken
[00:25:21.679] you aside and said, "Hey, Burchett, back
[00:25:23.360] off a little bit. This is our stuff. We
[00:25:25.520] don't want to disclose it."
[00:25:28.000] Pretty close to that. Pretty close to
[00:25:30.720] that.
[00:25:31.600] >> But you don't believe it. You don't
[00:25:32.720] think this is our technology?
[00:25:34.320] >> No, I do not. There's no way it is our
[00:25:36.559] tech. No way is our technology. There's
[00:25:38.799] uh you and I've talked to too many
[00:25:40.320] pilots. Why would we risk
[00:25:44.000] Why would we risk our best I mean I've
[00:25:46.080] talked to the best I've talked to the
[00:25:47.840] best pilots in the world that are ours.
[00:25:50.080] Some of them not all of them. And that
[00:25:52.400] have told me I mean one guy I remember I
[00:25:54.400] was at the Capitol Hill Club. It was
[00:25:55.600] just an unusual encounter. or a guy
[00:25:57.279] spoke to a group and and he followed me
[00:25:59.679] out and said, "You know, Tim or
[00:26:02.240] congressman or whatever." He said, he
[00:26:03.840] said, "That thing was 14 ft." And he
[00:26:05.600] went like this from my canopy. And I
[00:26:07.840] thought to myself, "Why didn't he say
[00:26:09.840] 15? Why didn't he say 20?" But he said
[00:26:11.760] 14. And then um he just he said this
[00:26:15.600] thing, "It wasn't ours." He said, "I
[00:26:17.679] don't know what it was, but it wasn't
[00:26:18.960] ours." And that's all he said. And I had
[00:26:21.760] a very high ranking member of the Navy
[00:26:24.880] describe some underwater experiences
[00:26:28.240] they'd had with something that was doing
[00:26:30.320] 200 m. Best thing we got is probably 40
[00:26:32.880] >> was doing 200 mph underwater
[00:26:34.799] >> underwater big as a football field and
[00:26:36.960] that's no fish.
[00:26:39.039] >> So is it possible given our current
[00:26:42.000] understanding of physics for any
[00:26:43.600] man-made machine to go anywhere near 200
[00:26:45.520] mph underwater?
[00:26:46.720] >> Not with our technology. No. The best we
[00:26:48.880] have is probably in the in the high30s.
[00:26:51.520] And he was converting it, of course,
[00:26:52.960] knots is what the the Navy guys would
[00:26:54.880] do. But there's nothing.
[00:26:55.840] >> If I fire a 3006 or any high caliber
[00:26:58.799] rifle underwater, it doesn't go 200
[00:27:00.559] miles an hour. I can I can probably
[00:27:02.480] catch it in the length of a swimming
[00:27:04.320] pool or so.
[00:27:05.840] >> Yeah. Or it just falls down.
[00:27:07.679] >> Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I it's
[00:27:08.799] like
[00:27:09.360] >> so we've got u and this was this was
[00:27:12.400] described to me in areas and I was
[00:27:14.640] quoted on some I was just quot all I do
[00:27:16.640] is quote people that are that are that
[00:27:18.640] have knowledge but this was one that was
[00:27:20.640] um he was talking about there were five
[00:27:23.440] or six I think deep water areas of the
[00:27:26.159] ocean you've traveled a lot I have not
[00:27:29.679] um there's not a lot of deep water areas
[00:27:32.000] around around East Tennessee at Fort
[00:27:34.240] Lden Lake or anything but you they're
[00:27:36.080] talking miles deep and of that you've
[00:27:38.640] heard this before. We know more about
[00:27:39.919] the surface of the moon than we do the
[00:27:41.200] surface of the ocean. And he said,
[00:27:42.559] "These are areas where we see a high
[00:27:44.159] propensity of these UFOs." And there was
[00:27:46.960] a case where um it was fairly well
[00:27:49.360] documented. Um they uh uh had a multiple
[00:27:54.720] sightings. They were doing a maneuvers
[00:27:57.360] and had the the ships or boats, whatever
[00:27:59.120] you want to call them, out there. I'm
[00:28:00.000] not a Navy guy. And um and there was the
[00:28:03.840] sighting in the air and these the pilots
[00:28:07.760] radioed back and said, "Hey, is there
[00:28:09.679] something going on? Is there another
[00:28:10.960] operation? We got some secret technology
[00:28:13.440] stuff we're working on." They said, "We
[00:28:15.039] don't have any." And they, you know,
[00:28:16.399] Pentagon, nobody nobody knew about
[00:28:18.240] anything. And they pulled it back and
[00:28:21.039] then um they pulled everything back,
[00:28:22.799] scrubbed the mission. And then the next
[00:28:24.960] day all their internet traffic had been
[00:28:27.600] scrubbed. But this guy was kind of a
[00:28:29.440] wonk and he'd made copies of it. But my,
[00:28:32.720] you know, the point I have there is why
[00:28:35.440] would we risk
[00:28:37.840] multi-million dollar apparatus and why
[00:28:41.039] would we put something in the air around
[00:28:44.080] our best pilots that could have a crash
[00:28:46.000] because these guys are talking about
[00:28:47.520] there's actually, you know, they've have
[00:28:49.360] come close to collisions. Why would they
[00:28:51.200] do that? They would not do that. That
[00:28:52.799] would be stupid. I mean, there's even
[00:28:54.720] even, you know, I always say military
[00:28:56.399] intelligence a whole lot like
[00:28:57.520] congressional ethics. I don't think it
[00:28:59.039] really exists much anymore,
[00:29:00.960] >> but um anyway, it's um I just don't
[00:29:05.360] think that we'd be risking that. So,
[00:29:06.799] that that that's my proof that it's not
[00:29:08.559] ours.
[00:29:09.279] >> So, how many uh military personnel have
[00:29:11.200] you spoken to about their personal
[00:29:13.840] experiences with these things? I'd say,
[00:29:17.200] well, I don't know, eight or nine, 10
[00:29:19.360] maybe, you know, but I have to be real
[00:29:21.679] careful because I'm I'm clearly somebody
[00:29:24.640] out there and I'm not backing down on
[00:29:26.080] it. I'm not ashamed of it or anything,
[00:29:27.600] but I don't
[00:29:28.159] >> You have no reason to be ashamed of it.
[00:29:29.919] Why would you be ashamed of it?
[00:29:30.880] >> Well, that's what they try to do is they
[00:29:32.159] try to shame people.
[00:29:33.120] >> Oh, are you are you are you hiding
[00:29:34.880] relevant secrets from the American
[00:29:36.159] public? I don't think you are.
[00:29:37.279] >> No, but
[00:29:38.240] >> why aren't they ashamed? Well, I have to
[00:29:39.919] be careful about the white flags, the
[00:29:42.000] stuff they bring stuff bring people
[00:29:43.679] bring me that's not real.
[00:29:45.600] >> Well, that that's that's why we're
[00:29:47.039] talking to you.
[00:29:47.679] >> Yeah. Well, that's
[00:29:48.559] >> I've had a lot of people come to me with
[00:29:49.760] stuff like that.
[00:29:50.480] >> Yeah. And I've got these pictures and I
[00:29:52.159] want to show you this. I've got this,
[00:29:54.000] you know, I'm always afraid I'm going to
[00:29:55.440] end up on a in a refrigerator up in
[00:29:57.679] North Carolina or a freezer in North
[00:29:59.360] Carolina somewhere, you know, cuz I I
[00:30:02.080] don't I'm not going up there and
[00:30:03.200] checking out some guy's fines he's got.
[00:30:05.279] And you know, and I
[00:30:07.200] >> So wait, but do you think So I think
[00:30:08.880] what you're saying is the disinformation
[00:30:10.559] campaign run by whomever. Maybe
[00:30:12.399] >> that's real.
[00:30:13.440] >> Well, it's definitely real. Uh, and I
[00:30:15.679] assume it's run by the US government or
[00:30:17.600] its satellites and the defense
[00:30:19.120] contractors, but part of the way that
[00:30:22.960] they discredit people who are interested
[00:30:24.960] in finding out what this is is by
[00:30:26.720] telling them false things and then
[00:30:29.279] >> they tried to destroy their careers.
[00:30:30.559] They did that to one of our guys. Um,
[00:30:32.240] one of the the very first person uh the
[00:30:34.320] first hearing we had, if you remember,
[00:30:36.080] some
[00:30:37.600] weekly newspaper reporter found out that
[00:30:40.640] one of the guys suffered from PTSD for
[00:30:43.600] because of his military career. You know
[00:30:45.360] what? In Tennessee, we embraced that. My
[00:30:48.000] daddy put on Pelu in Okinawa and to the
[00:30:50.799] day he died, I never woke him up over
[00:30:52.399] the top of him. I always woke him up by
[00:30:54.080] his big toe cuz he might have woke up on
[00:30:55.760] one of those dad gum islands and pinned
[00:30:57.279] me up against the wall. And so, and we
[00:30:59.440] celebrate our our our heroes and but
[00:31:02.080] Washington DC just destroys them. And to
[00:31:04.240] think that a weekly newspaper found out
[00:31:08.080] this guy's medical history, which is a
[00:31:10.399] total violation of the law. Somebody
[00:31:12.399] should go to jail for it, but nobody
[00:31:13.919] did. They tried to destroy this guy. And
[00:31:16.240] that's and you know, that's what happens
[00:31:18.000] to people in Washington DC. That's what
[00:31:19.679] happens to our military heroes when they
[00:31:21.760] step out of line because of the the
[00:31:24.880] sewer or deep state or whatever you want
[00:31:26.559] to call it. But that that that's what
[00:31:28.240] they and that's why we need we need real
[00:31:30.480] whistleblower protection for them.
[00:31:31.919] >> Well, I agree with that completely. Um
[00:31:33.760] which we don't have. No. And by the way,
[00:31:35.840] I know two whistleblowers who are living
[00:31:37.679] outside the country cuz they can't come
[00:31:38.960] to the United States.
[00:31:39.919] >> Sure.
[00:31:40.640] >> And I'll have people actually I've had
[00:31:42.240] people call me. One last thing. I'm in
[00:31:44.240] the Longworth building. It's no secret.
[00:31:45.760] It's public record. But I've had people
[00:31:47.600] that'll call me or send a message to me
[00:31:50.080] and want to come by and they won't come
[00:31:52.240] in that building ask me if I can come
[00:31:53.840] outside. I've had people call me and
[00:31:56.480] want to come to the house in East
[00:31:58.720] Tennessee and and because they don't
[00:32:02.000] want to come to Washington DC and talk
[00:32:03.760] to me. There's a a well publicized
[00:32:07.200] television show that was on for a while
[00:32:09.760] that um I didn't know I didn't know they
[00:32:13.679] were coming. I mean I they said some
[00:32:15.279] people wanted to talk to me and it was a
[00:32:16.720] a trusted friend and I said sure send
[00:32:20.000] them bring them up to come on up to DC
[00:32:22.080] and they said well they don't want to
[00:32:22.960] come to DC and they drove from wherever
[00:32:26.399] to my house in East Tennessee on a
[00:32:28.240] Saturday afternoon and then they put
[00:32:30.720] some stuff on a on a screen that was
[00:32:34.720] pretty compelling. What was it?
[00:32:37.279] >> Was aircraft flying it. Just crazy
[00:32:41.440] um
[00:32:43.519] stuff that we can't do that would turn
[00:32:45.120] you or me into basically a catch-up
[00:32:46.799] package. It was not uh
[00:32:49.440] >> no human being could handle the G.
[00:32:51.039] >> No, not at our well with the technology
[00:32:53.279] we have, the GeForce would just have
[00:32:55.200] just torn them apart. And you know, was
[00:32:57.600] it was it unmanned or whatever? I don't
[00:33:00.399] know. But these guys and one of them was
[00:33:03.519] a um well they were scientists. Several
[00:33:06.320] of them were scientists and there
[00:33:08.720] >> they came to see you.
[00:33:09.519] >> They came to see me. Yeah. And I because
[00:33:11.440] it's kind of u
[00:33:13.200] >> Wait. So what do you do with that
[00:33:14.320] information?
[00:33:15.600] >> I try to try to grasp it within my very
[00:33:19.519] small brain of and what am I supposed to
[00:33:22.159] do with that? I I ask God all the time,
[00:33:24.399] what do you want me to do with this
[00:33:25.440] stuff, Lord? And right now I'm I'm I've
[00:33:28.000] just got to get enough disclosure. I I'
[00:33:30.080] I've come to the
[00:33:32.320] realization that nothing is ever going
[00:33:34.159] to happen, Tucker, until we have
[00:33:35.760] somebody in the White House that says
[00:33:37.200] enough is enough and just discloses it.
[00:33:39.519] And I hope President Trump, you know, I
[00:33:42.000] have discussions with him privately and
[00:33:43.679] other times that I'm not um I've talked
[00:33:46.320] to his people, but at some point there's
[00:33:48.960] several of us, Luna and myself and
[00:33:51.760] several others that are concerned about
[00:33:54.240] this issue and we want some answers.
[00:33:57.200] >> We've got none.
[00:33:58.240] >> We've got none. zero,
[00:33:59.519] >> right? Zero. So, you have definitely
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[00:35:14.640] What is that?
[00:35:16.640] >> I think that is the sewer. That is the
[00:35:18.720] industrial war complex. I think and I
[00:35:20.800] stated that in the in the committee. I
[00:35:22.480] think part of the thing they do is they
[00:35:24.160] outrun the clock. They outrun the clock.
[00:35:26.720] They you know um we either stumble, one
[00:35:29.520] of us gets in trouble or they get us in
[00:35:31.200] trouble or they lose or they move on to
[00:35:33.040] another object, you know, another shiny
[00:35:35.359] object somewhere else. We Americans want
[00:35:37.599] their pizzas in 30 minutes or less and
[00:35:39.599] that's about Congress's attention span,
[00:35:41.760] you know, cuz we're always on one and
[00:35:44.000] then it's the hot issue and then the
[00:35:46.160] news cycle changes. Two weeks later
[00:35:47.839] we're on to something else. So you guys
[00:35:49.520] are often members of Congress are often
[00:35:51.599] uh briefed in skiffs. You know, it's a
[00:35:54.480] secure location. Then they immediately
[00:35:56.240] go and call CNN and tell them, you know,
[00:35:57.920] everyone was at the But if a member of
[00:36:00.640] Congress received quote classified
[00:36:02.720] information about UAPs,
[00:36:05.119] and then immediately held a press
[00:36:06.320] conference and said, "Here's what I just
[00:36:07.680] heard and saw, and yes, I'm breaking the
[00:36:10.880] law, but like tough Why don't you
[00:36:12.720] do something about it?"
[00:36:13.839] >> What would happen?
[00:36:14.960] >> I don't know. They say they can imprison
[00:36:16.640] us, but I don't. They, you know, that's
[00:36:19.119] what we're told at the beginning. We're
[00:36:20.560] not even supposed to discuss. Some
[00:36:21.920] people will tell you, you can't even
[00:36:22.960] tell them that you've been in a skiff,
[00:36:24.880] but the press is waiting for you as soon
[00:36:26.480] as you walk out.
[00:36:27.119] >> Who told who told who says that?
[00:36:29.119] Leadership of the press.
[00:36:30.000] >> Oh, yeah. Leadership. Yeah. And they'll
[00:36:31.359] And you I've been in a skiff before
[00:36:32.880] where they'll say anything discussed in
[00:36:34.960] here. We remind you it's punishable by
[00:36:36.880] law. And you know, it could it's a
[00:36:38.880] felony. But the problem you get in there
[00:36:41.599] a lot of times it's the arrogance and
[00:36:43.040] the lies that are told to us. They
[00:36:45.040] contradict. I mean, I I they'll
[00:36:47.599] contradict what another department has
[00:36:49.520] said. They'll say, "This does this
[00:36:51.359] didn't happen. This doesn't exist." And
[00:36:53.359] then another one will say, "This is one
[00:36:55.599] we don't know, but we can't figure out.
[00:36:57.760] There's just no answer. It defies all of
[00:37:00.320] our reason." And
[00:37:01.760] >> so, these are the briefers from various
[00:37:03.119] federal agencies that you're talking
[00:37:04.320] >> and they're generally arrogant. You
[00:37:05.440] know, this one kid with a man bun. I
[00:37:07.040] always remember him. He was uh very
[00:37:09.760] arrogant. And then I asked him about
[00:37:11.839] some specific instances. was, you know,
[00:37:13.359] there was one where we had a nuclear um
[00:37:15.680] facility something Buzz did and the
[00:37:17.920] actual facility shut down. It was
[00:37:19.760] famously
[00:37:20.560] >> documented and he
[00:37:22.079] >> in the Dakotas I think.
[00:37:23.520] >> Yeah. I can't remember exactly. I have
[00:37:25.520] to I have I read I read so many of these
[00:37:27.920] things but and he said um I remember he
[00:37:30.640] said
[00:37:31.520] >> um
[00:37:32.079] >> we have no data points on that
[00:37:34.560] >> and I thought and I said dude it's in
[00:37:37.119] all Google it it's everywhere and you I
[00:37:40.320] just I get very frustrated Tucker a lot
[00:37:42.800] of times I won't I go to the these
[00:37:44.160] classified briefs and part of the reason
[00:37:45.359] you go to a classified briefing is to
[00:37:47.040] get information which I'm sure that's
[00:37:49.599] where a lot of the stock trading goes on
[00:37:51.200] but but I think they bring you in and
[00:37:54.079] tell you stuff you already knew, so you
[00:37:56.560] can't even talk about it. I think it's a
[00:37:58.800] trap. I don't That's why I don't go to a
[00:38:00.560] lot of the classified briefings because
[00:38:02.480] again, I can just pick it up on the
[00:38:04.240] street right after
[00:38:05.200] >> the Congress funds the agencies that are
[00:38:07.520] briefing you.
[00:38:08.320] >> That's correct.
[00:38:09.280] >> So, you could say to the man bun kid,
[00:38:12.079] you know, son, I pay your salary. Yeah.
[00:38:14.160] >> So, maybe you
[00:38:15.119] >> Well, it's during the Biden
[00:38:16.160] administration, so I was a little bit
[00:38:17.520] out of
[00:38:18.480] >> Well, I mean, at this point, Republicans
[00:38:19.839] control the Congress, so like
[00:38:21.359] >> allegedly
[00:38:22.320] >> I don't understand. I just I'm honestly
[00:38:25.599] baffled as to why no
[00:38:26.720] >> too many there's too many. It it's it's
[00:38:28.480] crosses both lines. I think you know
[00:38:30.240] that that money runs deep and they
[00:38:32.640] contribute a lot to a lot of people.
[00:38:34.880] >> So of the issues and some are wellknown.
[00:38:37.040] I won't even bring them up here but
[00:38:38.400] they're very wellnown um that have
[00:38:40.560] bipartisan consensus. You know like both
[00:38:43.359] parties agree on this issue. You would
[00:38:45.520] say UAPs are one of those?
[00:38:47.040] >> I would say they are. I mean AOC's in
[00:38:50.000] there. I mean they're all in there. You
[00:38:52.000] know, it's just
[00:38:52.720] >> Does AOC
[00:38:54.640] show any interest in this topic?
[00:38:56.400] >> She does. She does. I think, you know,
[00:38:58.960] she's concerned like everybody else.
[00:39:00.560] Where's where the tens of millions of
[00:39:02.079] dollars going? And I'm sure she could
[00:39:04.000] think about
[00:39:04.320] >> Well, what the hell are these things?
[00:39:05.520] That's like an even deeper concern.
[00:39:07.119] >> Yeah.
[00:39:07.760] >> The money's fake. We just make it.
[00:39:09.280] >> Yeah. We just print it. Yeah.
[00:39:10.640] >> And but it Well, we've had, you know,
[00:39:12.720] what are they? We've had sworn testimony
[00:39:15.520] where they'll tell you, they'll say, um,
[00:39:18.480] yeah, I've seen Beings. There's a movie
[00:39:20.240] coming out and
[00:39:21.440] >> and hold on. And the testimony says this
[00:39:23.760] is sworn testimony.
[00:39:24.960] >> Sworn testimony. They've got they've uh
[00:39:27.920] there beings and there's there's u
[00:39:32.480] saucers or some craft or something. But
[00:39:34.800] there's a movie coming out pretty soon
[00:39:36.960] if it's ever allowed to come out. I was
[00:39:38.880] in it a little bit. And um and you have
[00:39:42.640] former members of the CIA. You have
[00:39:44.640] others that positively say they were
[00:39:47.599] there and they identified these things.
[00:39:50.400] They diagnosed them and they saw them.
[00:39:53.040] They saw the craft. And you know, there
[00:39:55.839] there's enough people out there saying
[00:39:57.359] it, but they're just so suppressed. And
[00:40:00.240] the media moves on so fast on something.
[00:40:02.960] And you know, I've been on so many of
[00:40:04.800] these interviews and they're playing the
[00:40:07.040] the theme from um um one some crazy TV
[00:40:11.440] show or something before I come on, you
[00:40:13.040] know, and they're just making a joke out
[00:40:14.400] of it and I get it. People want to laugh
[00:40:16.720] about it.
[00:40:17.280] >> I don't get it at all.
[00:40:18.640] >> Yeah. I mean, I I get the fact
[00:40:20.160] >> seems like an absolutely I see
[00:40:22.240] >> they just want to humiliate me and I
[00:40:24.000] don't
[00:40:24.160] >> It's a deadly serious topic objectively
[00:40:26.720] speaking. And if
[00:40:27.680] >> it's a national defense issue, it's
[00:40:29.359] everything. It's everything. I mean,
[00:40:31.359] it's not a national, it's a world
[00:40:32.640] defense issue.
[00:40:33.440] >> It's a lot more serious than Black Lives
[00:40:34.880] Matter or any of the other nonsense that
[00:40:36.800] we've, you know, become obsessed with
[00:40:38.320] over the past generation. So, um, yeah,
[00:40:41.520] there's I mean, that tells you right
[00:40:44.480] there that's part of an an operation
[00:40:47.680] designed to discredit people who ask
[00:40:49.359] questions, right?
[00:40:50.079] >> Yeah. And I've had I've had military
[00:40:52.000] personnel call me and tell me that
[00:40:55.119] they've they've chased these things.
[00:40:57.359] They've been in the water. I had one guy
[00:40:59.920] tell me a story. He was an officer and
[00:41:02.160] he was in the water fishing off um I
[00:41:06.560] think it was on the east coast and this
[00:41:09.680] huge craft flew over the flew over them
[00:41:13.119] and then these several jets were flying
[00:41:16.640] trying to keep up with it and he
[00:41:18.160] identified the jets cuz he was obviously
[00:41:20.000] an Air Force officer and um and he said
[00:41:23.839] look I I just want you to continue on
[00:41:26.319] this thing you're not a lot of people
[00:41:28.800] have seen stuff and he said, "I have."
[00:41:31.200] And you know, and I mean, he had a
[00:41:33.520] distinguished career, but it just
[00:41:36.480] continues on and on and on and it gets,
[00:41:40.240] you know, we get patted on the head and
[00:41:42.319] say, "Okay, you can have another hearing
[00:41:44.240] and then we do it." But but until
[00:41:46.560] somebody in the White House says
[00:41:48.079] disclose or somebody walks out of one of
[00:41:50.560] these labs with something and is um and
[00:41:54.480] shows it and puts it on YouTube before
[00:41:56.240] he's allowed to commit suicide. Um I
[00:41:59.119] think you're going to that's the only
[00:42:01.119] way we're going to get to the bottom of
[00:42:02.240] it cuz it will never it's so deep the
[00:42:04.880] layers of the onions or onion is so deep
[00:42:07.200] you just keep peeling it off and it's
[00:42:08.800] just a different person a different
[00:42:10.240] story. You go over here and and and you
[00:42:14.160] know
[00:42:15.119] the naivity of of of Congress. You have
[00:42:17.839] members telling me, "Well, let's just
[00:42:19.040] get a let's go over here and get a, you
[00:42:21.040] know, we'll get a tour of the of the of
[00:42:23.280] where you think these things are." I
[00:42:24.720] say, "Dude, once we announce that, you
[00:42:27.040] know, the U-Haul vans are already been
[00:42:28.640] there and gone." You know, it's it's not
[00:42:30.640] it's not that way. It's not going to
[00:42:32.319] work that way. We're Congress is not
[00:42:34.240] going to walk in there with all its
[00:42:35.599] magnificence and arrogance and find
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[00:43:49.760] There is no safe like simply safe. If
[00:43:52.400] the p the public is being lied to by the
[00:43:55.119] government, if there's a, you know,
[00:43:57.520] continuous ongoing publicly funded
[00:44:00.319] campaign to lie to the American public
[00:44:02.480] by its own government, that is
[00:44:05.200] justification for overthrowing the
[00:44:06.720] government. That's my opinion.
[00:44:09.280] They can't do that in a democracy
[00:44:10.960] because we own the government. They
[00:44:12.240] don't. And so that alone leaving aside
[00:44:16.160] the reality of UAPs
[00:44:18.960] is, you know, it's enough for I mean
[00:44:22.160] what why is it so hard for somebody in
[00:44:25.599] authority either in the White House or
[00:44:27.040] in congressional leadership to say we
[00:44:29.760] want this information and we want it by
[00:44:31.359] the close of business today or else
[00:44:33.359] you're fired or we're going to send
[00:44:34.800] soldiers in and get the information. I I
[00:44:36.560] don't Why is that hard? I just don't
[00:44:38.079] think it's profitable for them. I think
[00:44:39.920] there's too much money
[00:44:42.160] and it goes too deep and you have a lot
[00:44:45.680] of soldiers. They're not literally
[00:44:47.839] soldier but people just follow orders
[00:44:50.319] and they think and they said it's
[00:44:51.760] national security. They think it's
[00:44:53.200] national security.
[00:44:55.599] >> So it sounds like you have no confidence
[00:44:58.960] that this stuff's going to emerge.
[00:45:00.560] >> No, I have zero confidence on this side
[00:45:02.880] of when I get when I leave this earth.
[00:45:06.000] I'll probably I'll know then. But
[00:45:07.680] >> you will instantly
[00:45:08.880] >> instantly. But I don't I don't have any
[00:45:11.119] confidence in anybody in Washington
[00:45:14.079] currently. I have confidence in Trump. I
[00:45:16.480] really do. I think if he's if we can
[00:45:19.760] talk to him seriously about this uh for
[00:45:22.800] a short amount of time, I think he'll
[00:45:24.560] just tell him to jam it. We're going to
[00:45:27.040] do it.
[00:45:27.440] >> Well, I mean, we had, you know, these
[00:45:30.160] sightings last year over New Jersey,
[00:45:32.720] over the the whole mid mid East Coast.
[00:45:35.760] um that the entire country saw and they
[00:45:38.640] were on video and we were going to find
[00:45:40.960] out what those were and then it was like
[00:45:42.240] nah it's totally we don't need to know
[00:45:43.680] what that what was that?
[00:45:45.599] >> Well I I I still think it was a it was
[00:45:48.079] part of Chinese um influence. I think
[00:45:50.960] when they flew the balloon over they
[00:45:52.800] they wanted to it was 50s or 60s
[00:45:55.359] technology. They didn't have anything.
[00:45:57.280] They weren't they are I mean they got
[00:45:59.119] enough spies on the ground in every
[00:46:00.880] university and every think tank and
[00:46:02.960] every um uh national lab whatever they
[00:46:06.640] got them there but they um they wanted
[00:46:08.960] to see what our response was. They um
[00:46:11.280] they saw our political response which
[00:46:13.040] was zero, our military response which
[00:46:16.000] was zero and our press response and the
[00:46:18.720] only thing was the people were outraged
[00:46:20.319] about it you know and they shot it down
[00:46:21.839] off the coast of Myrtle Beach. So, you
[00:46:24.640] think the drones, the so-called drones
[00:46:26.960] over New Jersey last fall were a Chinese
[00:46:31.760] operation?
[00:46:32.480] >> Something or something very similar,
[00:46:34.160] somebody experimenting to see what our
[00:46:36.079] response would be. Because, you know,
[00:46:37.839] you could you fly an airplane over the
[00:46:39.839] country and and somebody's going to pick
[00:46:41.520] it up. But you fly a drone, they could
[00:46:44.160] have small nukes, could have been a
[00:46:46.160] biological agent. And and I think now
[00:46:48.720] they know they could do that. At least
[00:46:50.319] under Biden, they could. They can't do
[00:46:52.079] it under Trump. So if that was the
[00:46:53.599] Chinese who did that
[00:46:55.920] um and the US government did nothing and
[00:46:58.000] >> I think they had contractors here that
[00:46:59.920] that provided them with that. That's
[00:47:01.680] that's that's my theory.
[00:47:05.760] >> What any idea as to why the US
[00:47:07.599] government would want to keep that
[00:47:08.560] secret?
[00:47:10.000] >> No idea. Either then
[00:47:12.880] the current administration doesn't know
[00:47:15.119] because the people that knew are gone.
[00:47:20.880] I just think the past administration was
[00:47:23.440] was
[00:47:24.960] smoking mirrors. I mean, Joe Biden, if
[00:47:27.440] you ever had any conversations with him,
[00:47:29.200] I mean, it was clearly uh very clueless
[00:47:33.359] and it was very scary. If we'd have been
[00:47:34.880] in a position, whoever was calling his
[00:47:36.560] shots from the Obama administration
[00:47:39.760] um scared me a lot. And of course, they
[00:47:43.599] were the the puppet masters, I feel
[00:47:45.280] like, under this under Biden. And I felt
[00:47:47.359] like he um and the people around him
[00:47:50.160] just
[00:47:52.079] ran a muck. I mean, you saw with the
[00:47:54.240] >> But why not I don't understand and I'm
[00:47:56.480] trying to keep my growing rage under
[00:47:58.319] control. Like why not tell
[00:47:59.599] >> Well, I'm outraged.
[00:48:00.560] >> Why not tell the public something true
[00:48:02.079] once in a while? Why the constant lying?
[00:48:05.119] Cuz if you if you're constantly lying,
[00:48:06.960] then then by definition you're evil and
[00:48:09.280] you don't want to think that of your
[00:48:10.400] government, especially people you like
[00:48:11.599] in government. But like why can't the
[00:48:13.680] public know anything ever? Do you have
[00:48:15.440] any theories?
[00:48:16.640] >> Tradition, I think.
[00:48:18.800] >> Tradition. Okay.
[00:48:21.280] >> I I just don't The more and more I know
[00:48:22.960] about government, you know, I I've been
[00:48:26.079] in this gift before and I've walked out
[00:48:28.319] and I remember one time I called my
[00:48:29.680] wife. I said, "Honey, go to the store
[00:48:31.839] and buy canned goods. We we're
[00:48:34.800] completely wide open."
[00:48:37.280] She said, "All right, sweetie." And um
[00:48:39.839] >> So, what do we get for a trillion
[00:48:40.880] dollars a year to the US military? Do we
[00:48:42.880] get anything in return? Uh, we got some
[00:48:46.000] enhanced stock portfolios. And I'll give
[00:48:48.000] you a good great example. When Joe Biden
[00:48:51.200] gave our military or excuse me, our
[00:48:53.680] missile defense system, I you know, I
[00:48:55.920] haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine.
[00:48:57.440] I'm proud of that. It's not my dad gum
[00:48:59.280] war. I'm not sending my 18-year-old
[00:49:00.960] daughter to a a country that most
[00:49:03.040] members of Congress couldn't find on a
[00:49:04.400] dad gum globe. Yeah. And um so you have
[00:49:08.640] um we give them our our missile defense
[00:49:11.119] system and then we have to replenish
[00:49:13.359] ours which we should. We can't be left
[00:49:15.520] naked without any of that defense. And
[00:49:17.680] guess what? Some of those contractors we
[00:49:20.400] described get a a multi multibillion
[00:49:23.599] with a B dollar no bid contract. And who
[00:49:26.400] do you think has bought stock in that in
[00:49:28.400] that company? Members of Congress two
[00:49:30.880] weeks prior to the president making that
[00:49:32.800] official notice. And um and you see it
[00:49:36.400] time and time again. I mean, do you
[00:49:37.520] honestly believe members of Congress are
[00:49:38.880] making five and six? You've met some of
[00:49:40.319] these guys. I
[00:49:41.359] >> mean, they don't they can't come in out
[00:49:42.559] of the rain, some of them.
[00:49:43.760] >> Yeah.
[00:49:44.240] >> I'm guilty of that as well. But they're
[00:49:46.079] making five and 600%.
[00:49:47.760] >> Yeah. A lot of really damaged
[00:49:49.359] >> return on their five and 600% return on
[00:49:52.559] their investment. And and war is great
[00:49:55.599] for business. It's great for It's great
[00:49:57.680] for the economy, but it's not good for I
[00:49:59.839] don't think it's good for our soul.
[00:50:01.359] >> Wouldn't No. No. There's nothing worse.
[00:50:03.760] killing people is not good. Um I know
[00:50:05.920] that's a controversial statement. Um
[00:50:07.760] yeah,
[00:50:08.160] >> but why is it why is it impossible just
[00:50:10.640] to ban stock trading for members of
[00:50:12.240] Congress?
[00:50:12.640] >> That's a great idea. Um I have the bill
[00:50:14.559] to do it and that's why you know we have
[00:50:16.800] a bipartisan group again, myself and Pri
[00:50:20.720] and I never get her name right, but um
[00:50:24.960] Cortez and me and Chip Roy and a bunch
[00:50:27.520] of others, you know, we've got a we've
[00:50:29.520] got a bill, but it's not going anywhere.
[00:50:31.680] >> Why? because too many members of
[00:50:33.920] Congress. I mean, we were told by
[00:50:35.040] leadership that, you know, these these
[00:50:37.280] guys can't afford can't afford to be
[00:50:39.200] here. You know what? If you can't afford
[00:50:41.040] to be in Congress and go get another dad
[00:50:42.880] gum job, more people have played
[00:50:44.960] professional baseball in the major
[00:50:47.359] leagues than a Benny Knight
[00:50:49.920] should be an honor. The idea is they
[00:50:51.359] should be allowed to do insider trading
[00:50:53.599] which is a felony because
[00:50:57.760] well all you got to do is disclose it
[00:50:59.200] and then if you don't disclose it it's a
[00:51:01.359] slap on the wrist. You know I I make
[00:51:03.520] skateboards and um it's cheaper than a
[00:51:05.839] psychiatrist. I make them out of bamboo
[00:51:07.520] and banana fibers and crazy stuff and
[00:51:10.160] it's a great
[00:51:10.640] >> You make skateboards out of bamboo.
[00:51:12.240] >> I do. I do.
[00:51:13.119] >> A lot of congressmen do that.
[00:51:14.559] >> No, I'd say one does. I'm pretty safe in
[00:51:17.440] betting that. I would say it's cheaper
[00:51:19.119] than a psychiatrist. It's good. But and
[00:51:21.680] I gave one to Tulsi Gabbard and you know
[00:51:23.680] and it gets views and and people I
[00:51:25.920] people all over the country want to buy
[00:51:27.200] these things. So I'm a capitalist. I'm
[00:51:29.680] thinking you know I'd like to sell a few
[00:51:31.599] skateboards. I go to the ethics people.
[00:51:33.920] I take my uh DC chief with me and she's
[00:51:37.119] very smart. My Knoxville chief is a
[00:51:40.720] lady. They're both incredibly smart
[00:51:42.559] ladies. So I take the DC lady with me
[00:51:45.359] and she's making notes. I mean, you
[00:51:46.720] know, I got to get an attorney involved
[00:51:48.079] in this thing. I have to have a business
[00:51:49.440] plan. You want to do insider trading, be
[00:51:52.000] a member of Congress. You want to sell
[00:51:53.520] skateboards, you better get you a dadgum
[00:51:55.359] lawyer. And that's what I'm having to do
[00:51:57.280] right now. I mean, I'm building a
[00:51:58.559] business plan.
[00:51:59.440] >> Leadership actually said to you, "We
[00:52:01.280] can't stop insider trading because they
[00:52:03.040] need the money."
[00:52:03.760] >> Yeah. And they've And both parties, I
[00:52:05.520] mean, it's one of those You talk about
[00:52:06.880] one of those issues that both parties
[00:52:08.079] agree on. Both parties leadership does.
[00:52:10.400] And because they don't want to upset the
[00:52:11.839] apple cart and and America, that would
[00:52:14.319] be such a a great thing to show America.
[00:52:16.640] Hey, we're going to try to do what's
[00:52:17.760] right for once.
[00:52:18.480] >> Do they know how much America hates
[00:52:20.160] them?
[00:52:21.520] >> No. Every one of them every I always
[00:52:24.000] remember in my hometown when they did
[00:52:26.400] away with um insider trading.
[00:52:29.200] I mean, I'm sorry, not insider trading.
[00:52:30.720] They did away with um term limits.
[00:52:32.480] Excuse me. And they were interviewing
[00:52:34.720] some of the office holders. I remember
[00:52:36.000] one office holder said, "I just don't
[00:52:37.599] know if this county is going to exist
[00:52:38.880] without us. I don't see how they can go
[00:52:40.559] ahead." And and I thought it was like I
[00:52:42.400] checked my my calendar. Is this April
[00:52:43.839] Fools? I thought it was a joke. I
[00:52:45.119] thought they were actually kidding, you
[00:52:46.720] know. I mean, that is the
[00:52:47.599] >> arrogance county do.
[00:52:49.599] >> We're still there.
[00:52:50.400] >> Still there. Yeah. Okay.
[00:52:51.520] >> Great bond rating.
[00:52:52.319] >> Wasn't consumed by fire
[00:52:53.280] >> when I was No, no, the Lord didn't come
[00:52:55.280] down and crush us like Sodom and
[00:52:56.800] Gomorrah. But, you know, um but anyway,
[00:53:00.559] they've um they continuously for us and
[00:53:04.559] now we've we've pushed them. Now, the
[00:53:06.480] head of the Treasury says you need to do
[00:53:08.240] it. Trump says to do it. And so, Luna
[00:53:10.800] says I'm bringing Merchants's bill to
[00:53:12.319] the floor. I'm gonna do a dis, you know,
[00:53:14.640] a discharge petition and we're going to
[00:53:16.000] bring it to the floor and get enough
[00:53:17.200] members to sign on. I don't know if we
[00:53:19.040] can or not, but we're going to try. But
[00:53:20.800] here's the thing, Tucker. We'll pass a
[00:53:22.800] bill if we do, if the if leadership
[00:53:25.839] shines on us, and we'll pass a bill, and
[00:53:29.119] then it'll be a tough bill, and then the
[00:53:31.599] Senate will pass one a little tougher on
[00:53:33.920] something we can't agree on. And then
[00:53:36.000] we'll say, "Look at those guys in the
[00:53:37.680] Senate. You know, they're 150 years old.
[00:53:39.920] They can't they're so crooked." And
[00:53:41.200] they'll say, "Look at us. we're a bunch
[00:53:42.559] of creatins, you know, we don't know
[00:53:43.839] what we're doing and then it'll go away
[00:53:46.240] and well, we tried. And that's just the
[00:53:48.400] game they're playing. That is a game
[00:53:49.839] they play with everything. Either that
[00:53:51.440] or it's a study committee. So many
[00:53:53.280] bills, and I was talking about that with
[00:53:54.720] the uh the staff, you know, they'll
[00:53:56.800] they'll get you to do, oh, don't do this
[00:53:58.240] bill. Let's do a study bill and then
[00:53:59.839] come back next year with all this
[00:54:01.520] information. You know, Tucker, have you
[00:54:04.079] ever seen that last scene in Raiders of
[00:54:05.680] the Lost Arc where they're going into
[00:54:07.040] that warehouse? You know, it just goes
[00:54:08.800] on and on. I'm pretty sure that's where
[00:54:10.240] all the study committee bills go to
[00:54:12.400] after they pass them and you put in your
[00:54:14.559] local newspaper, oh, look at this great
[00:54:16.000] bill cuz it has the same title, but it
[00:54:18.079] doesn't do anything. And then um then
[00:54:20.720] you don't and then the next year you
[00:54:22.000] don't pass anything. You you don't come
[00:54:23.520] back with anything cuz you've already
[00:54:25.200] so-called passed your your your lame
[00:54:27.119] bill. And um and that warehouse is full
[00:54:30.400] of all those reports because I've never
[00:54:32.319] seen I've never ever seen one of those
[00:54:34.720] reports after we passed those bills.
[00:54:36.480] >> No, of course not. I just wonder though,
[00:54:39.200] I mean the details of this are
[00:54:40.720] interesting, but I think the broad
[00:54:42.400] outline is already known by the whole
[00:54:44.240] public, which is this is fake and these
[00:54:47.119] people are in it for reasons that have
[00:54:49.119] nothing to do with the public interest.
[00:54:51.359] And I, you know, everybody wants to rail
[00:54:52.880] on Pelosi. She's not on, if you go on
[00:54:55.599] the unusual whales website, she's not
[00:54:57.920] even in the top 10 for insider trading.
[00:55:00.720] >> Yeah, she's I think she's number 11, but
[00:55:04.960] you know.
[00:55:05.359] >> Yeah, I know some of the people on that
[00:55:06.640] list. I do too. I know every dad gum one
[00:55:08.559] of them and and there's a list of a
[00:55:10.319] hundred and my wife always checks it
[00:55:12.800] every year. She said, "Honey," I said,
[00:55:14.160] "I know, sweetie. I mean, my 12 my buddy
[00:55:16.960] Tommy Syler manages my $12,000
[00:55:19.119] portfolio." Everybody do like I do put
[00:55:20.960] it in mutual fund, but I pulled it out
[00:55:22.480] last just recently just pulled it out so
[00:55:24.960] I could pay for my daughter's school.
[00:55:27.440] Um, which is what I established it for
[00:55:29.119] in the first place. But it's, you know,
[00:55:32.240] and that's and when this airs, I'm going
[00:55:34.480] to make a lot of enemies. And here's
[00:55:35.599] what's going to happen. I'm going to
[00:55:36.720] tell you without a doubt. Maybe not
[00:55:38.960] since I'm going to tell you.
[00:55:39.920] >> How can they be mad at you?
[00:55:42.559] >> Pointing out the obvious. Somebody will
[00:55:44.640] come down and sit beside me, somebody in
[00:55:46.559] leadership or somebody I'm friends with
[00:55:48.559] in Congress and say, "Hey, man, some of
[00:55:50.559] the guys are really upset with you on
[00:55:52.000] this." I say, "Well, on what?" And they
[00:55:53.440] say, "On this what you said on such and
[00:55:55.200] such." And I I've said this before. I
[00:55:56.799] said, and this will be a chapter of my
[00:55:59.119] book if I ever write it. And I said,
[00:56:01.359] "But you know it's the truth, right?"
[00:56:03.200] And they go, "Oh, yeah. We know it's the
[00:56:05.040] truth. We just wish you wouldn't say it
[00:56:06.480] anymore. You know, I can't tell you how
[00:56:08.160] many times I've had that conversation.
[00:56:09.440] >> But there's no shame. Like, we've all
[00:56:11.200] done bad things.
[00:56:11.920] >> 12% of the population votes, Tucker.
[00:56:14.160] They Nobody Listen, it's a game. We need
[00:56:17.520] to start People start needing to get
[00:56:19.839] their grandkids to educate them how to
[00:56:21.520] how to get on the computer and read
[00:56:23.440] these bills that we're passing. And look
[00:56:25.200] at the game we're playing with y'all.
[00:56:26.880] These 3,000 page spending bills that,
[00:56:29.599] you know, fund whatever you need for
[00:56:31.520] your lab or whatever. Then you read down
[00:56:33.839] and it's funding
[00:56:36.319] circumcisions in Madagascar. I mean
[00:56:38.480] things like that literally drag shows
[00:56:40.319] over or abortion which is abhorrent and
[00:56:44.079] so I you know it's just a it's just a
[00:56:47.280] game and it's a and America needs to
[00:56:50.480] start paying attention and Congress
[00:56:52.799] members of Cong look people they always
[00:56:55.520] have any more people to vote but as long
[00:56:57.280] as they're winning that's what
[00:56:58.480] leadership's about in either party is
[00:57:00.240] staying in power. It's having the
[00:57:01.680] Suburban. It's being three deep with
[00:57:03.599] security. It's never standing in line at
[00:57:05.520] a at the movie theater or going to a
[00:57:08.000] ball game or a concert. You know, it
[00:57:10.400] becomes
[00:57:12.319] self-preservation.
[00:57:13.920] >> I remember when January 6th happened and
[00:57:16.160] I was shocked. I was completely shocked
[00:57:17.599] by it. And um I was the last House
[00:57:20.319] member to leave the floor on January 6.
[00:57:22.319] >> Good for you. And I was like, "Wow, this
[00:57:24.000] is I hate vandalism." Whatever. Now I
[00:57:26.400] look back and I'm like, I understand
[00:57:27.760] exactly why they did that. I'm not mad
[00:57:30.079] about it at all. I think that Congress
[00:57:32.640] should have taken notice that people are
[00:57:35.839] really, really mad at Congress and
[00:57:38.640] instead they just ignored it and are
[00:57:40.240] like, "No, everyone who did it is a is a
[00:57:41.920] Nazi and we need more security." Really,
[00:57:44.240] that's your takeaway.
[00:57:46.000] >> You need more security. Maybe you need
[00:57:47.280] to act in a way that people respect so
[00:57:51.200] the country doesn't hate you cuz you're
[00:57:53.200] supposed to be representing the country
[00:57:54.559] >> and the 100 plus federal agents that
[00:57:56.640] were intertwined. The whole thing was
[00:57:58.480] fake. Obviously, I was
[00:58:01.520] >> Yeah, I don't even get into it. Yes. No,
[00:58:03.040] I spent a lot of time fighting about
[00:58:05.119] this at Fox News when they, you know,
[00:58:06.640] people resigned when I said I think this
[00:58:09.680] was like a setup. Oh,
[00:58:12.880] I can't work with a Nazi. It turned out
[00:58:14.799] to be true. Um, but
[00:58:17.760] >> again, it's a it's how many years later
[00:58:19.760] and nobody cares.
[00:58:20.720] >> Nobody cares. So, it's not I'm sorry to
[00:58:22.400] make it about me. I didn't mean to do
[00:58:23.520] that. It's just I'm mad about that
[00:58:24.640] topic. But the point is,
[00:58:25.680] >> it's your show, brother.
[00:58:26.720] >> No, no, no. It it No, but it's just it's
[00:58:28.559] about the Congress and I think you need
[00:58:31.040] a legislative body, not against the
[00:58:33.119] Congress in theory. What I'm worried
[00:58:34.880] about, here's the point that I'm
[00:58:36.319] attempting to make in a long-winded way,
[00:58:38.240] which is if you don't pay any attention
[00:58:41.680] at all to how people feel about you when
[00:58:44.240] your job is to represent those people,
[00:58:46.640] that system can continue and you you're
[00:58:49.599] going to get a January 6th but for real
[00:58:51.839] at some point if you keep acting this
[00:58:53.359] way.
[00:58:53.680] >> It will be an armed
[00:58:55.040] >> like actually actually. And a lot of
[00:58:56.720] people will applaud it. I'm not rooting
[00:58:58.720] for that at all. I'm just saying that's
[00:59:00.240] going to happen. Do members of Congress
[00:59:02.319] get this? Do they understand how hated
[00:59:03.839] they are? Do they care?
[00:59:05.599] >> I think there's an arrogance associated
[00:59:07.760] with being in Congress. I think it's a
[00:59:10.000] complete arrogance. Um
[00:59:12.720] I I always remember one time I was uh at
[00:59:15.920] a UT football game when I was in the
[00:59:18.000] legislature and a former member or well
[00:59:21.839] they're all they're all dead. Most of
[00:59:23.440] the people I served with, a lot of them
[00:59:24.720] are. Pulled up, parked illegally, got
[00:59:27.440] out of their car and come strutting
[00:59:28.720] across the parking lot. And my buddy
[00:59:30.079] said, you know, who the heck is that?
[00:59:32.079] And I said, "He's a pretty big deal in
[00:59:33.680] Nashville." He said, "Tell me ain't in
[00:59:35.040] Nashville. He's in Knoxville." And I,
[00:59:37.119] you know, and I've always remembered
[00:59:38.960] that because u now that guy's a judge
[00:59:41.920] who was telling me that my best friend,
[00:59:43.440] but he um it was just a, you know, a
[00:59:47.119] wakeup moment that I realized early on
[00:59:49.040] that that everybody has got this FFT
[00:59:52.400] type mentality. And it's who can
[00:59:55.520] represent better than me? Nobody. And I
[00:59:58.240] can tell you right now, there's probably
[01:00:01.119] 200,000 people in my district that could
[01:00:03.200] probably do a better job than I am. I'm
[01:00:04.799] just hard-headed enough to stick my head
[01:00:07.280] out.
[01:00:07.760] >> People don't want it cuz it's
[01:00:08.960] frustrating.
[01:00:09.599] >> Yeah. And they see the security issues
[01:00:11.359] now, too.
[01:00:12.240] >> Is there ever a moment in, you know,
[01:00:14.640] like at lunch with your colleagues where
[01:00:16.640] somebody says, "Man, have you looked at
[01:00:18.559] the numbers? People really hate us. This
[01:00:20.559] is a problem."
[01:00:21.520] >> I usually don't eat lunch with my
[01:00:22.880] colleagues. So,
[01:00:23.839] >> okay. But I mean,
[01:00:25.040] >> I have a few close friends in
[01:00:26.400] >> during the course of a day at work in
[01:00:28.799] the US Congress where you do work. Does
[01:00:30.720] anyone ever note that like
[01:00:32.880] >> we're more unpopular than like Chlamydia
[01:00:36.480] >> and that's not good.
[01:00:37.839] >> No. Yeah. I'd say we're I'd say
[01:00:39.920] Chlamydia out outranks us.
[01:00:42.400] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. No.
[01:00:43.760] Definitely. Chlamydia has its defenders.
[01:00:46.880] Um,
[01:00:47.280] >> no. In defense.
[01:00:48.559] >> No.
[01:00:49.040] >> No. But yeah, there's a bunch of us. I
[01:00:50.559] mean, we we see what's going on. We just
[01:00:52.000] shake our head. But it's a lot of
[01:00:53.200] frustration though, Tucker. You know,
[01:00:54.799] we're in the minority. You look at
[01:00:57.680] spending bills and then look at the
[01:00:59.599] opinion polls on things like Ukraine,
[01:01:01.680] other things, and you look at the board
[01:01:03.200] and you're wondering where are we at?
[01:01:05.359] Yeah. What's going on? And um you know,
[01:01:08.000] and for guys like me though, it gets
[01:01:10.480] incredibly tough because um you know,
[01:01:13.839] the big boys start calling and the the
[01:01:16.400] bank account dries up pretty quick. It's
[01:01:18.160] hard to raise money for somebody like
[01:01:19.440] me. It is incredibly tough to raise
[01:01:21.760] money. A lot of most of my contributions
[01:01:23.760] are just hardworking, God-fearing people
[01:01:27.119] who'll send me $10 in a Bible verse, you
[01:01:30.000] know, and I don't um
[01:01:32.960] the billionaires usually are for me the
[01:01:34.720] day after the election.
[01:01:35.599] >> Yeah, I noticed. And they're out in
[01:01:36.960] force against a couple of your
[01:01:38.160] colleagues who
[01:01:39.599] >> said things that are totally consistent
[01:01:41.839] with what the public wants,
[01:01:43.599] >> right? And
[01:01:44.640] >> the billionaires don't want it.
[01:01:45.760] >> They don't want it. And they and they
[01:01:47.359] control a lot of the media. And um but
[01:01:49.920] fortunately now for the internet we can
[01:01:52.079] >> yeah bypass
[01:01:53.040] >> people like you and I can bypass that.
[01:01:54.960] >> Oh, I'm grateful every day. Can I ask so
[01:01:57.760] you're um you represent
[01:02:00.079] >> Eastern Tennessee which is much more
[01:02:03.040] conservative than say the Memphis area
[01:02:05.119] or even the
[01:02:05.760] >> Actually I did one point better than
[01:02:07.119] President Trump, but if he were here
[01:02:08.720] today I'd say that was in fact an error
[01:02:11.040] and that you carried me over the finish
[01:02:12.559] line, Mr. President.
[01:02:13.760] >> I think you would have to say that. Yes,
[01:02:15.520] sure. Um, but
[01:02:19.040] so your threat is not in the general
[01:02:20.559] election like it's it's an R plus
[01:02:22.880] whatever.
[01:02:23.520] >> Yeah, it's a primary but it's just
[01:02:25.200] >> it be a primary,
[01:02:26.240] >> right? But they could drop big money in
[01:02:28.240] and the dark money and
[01:02:29.760] >> Okay, so that's the a member like you is
[01:02:32.400] vulnerable in the primary.
[01:02:33.599] >> Yeah. And someday I'd like to maybe if I
[01:02:35.040] had the opportunity to get to the US
[01:02:36.160] Senate, I wouldn't mind doing that, but
[01:02:37.599] that would be Katie Bar the door. They'd
[01:02:39.119] pour the money in all over the country
[01:02:40.480] to beat me. So, of course,
[01:02:43.359] but you're even seeing with a couple of
[01:02:44.559] your colleagues are getting primar um by
[01:02:47.520] billionaires because they've said things
[01:02:49.440] that are, you know, true but not
[01:02:51.920] acceptable, I guess. But are you worried
[01:02:53.680] about being primar?
[01:02:55.440] >> Yeah, there's only two ways to run.
[01:02:57.040] Scared and unopposed. And I I'm I'm a
[01:02:59.839] product of the primary. The first race I
[01:03:01.440] won, I I beat an incumbent in a state
[01:03:04.559] house race, 99 house races that year. I
[01:03:06.880] was the only person to beat an
[01:03:07.839] incumbent. and um I won with just two
[01:03:10.799] and 3/4 percentage points ahead. I
[01:03:13.680] knocked on over 6,000 doors. I I'd been
[01:03:16.640] run out of town on run out of business
[01:03:18.559] by the government. And um it was a great
[01:03:21.760] lesson, but I did knocked on over 6,000
[01:03:24.079] doors. And I think I raised I think I
[01:03:27.119] raised around eight or $9,000. I can't
[01:03:29.119] remember. And I thought, how am I going
[01:03:30.079] to spend all this dad gum money? You
[01:03:32.079] know, every morning I'd wake up, my mom
[01:03:34.079] and daddy of course were living then.
[01:03:36.079] And um I would throw up cuz I had this
[01:03:38.720] horrible taste of peppermint in my
[01:03:40.559] mouth. And the reason I had peppermint
[01:03:42.319] because I licked all my stamps. That's
[01:03:44.000] back in the day. You had to lick stamps.
[01:03:45.680] >> Yes.
[01:03:46.079] >> And I remember one morning I woke up and
[01:03:47.599] I was rolled up in them. I was like in a
[01:03:49.280] cocoon of stamps. But you and I wake up
[01:03:51.520] every morning I'd throw up and mama
[01:03:53.440] would make me a turkey sandwich on white
[01:03:56.480] bread and give me a Sprite and I'd get
[01:03:58.160] right back and knock on doors
[01:03:59.440] >> for breakfast.
[01:04:00.240] >> Yeah. That's all I could hold down. Then
[01:04:01.760] I'd get out and knock on doors all day
[01:04:03.280] long. And um you know I lost over 20
[01:04:06.000] lbs, got bit by a dog, took off my
[01:04:08.079] shirt, I look like a target, I just read
[01:04:09.839] on the rings and white in the belly, you
[01:04:11.760] know, and and um and so but it was um I
[01:04:15.440] learned wore out a pair of New Balance
[01:04:17.760] shoes and um the only shoes at the time
[01:04:20.079] that were made in America. So I I'm kind
[01:04:22.319] of big on that. And so um we won and um
[01:04:26.079] spent four years in the house and then
[01:04:29.200] um I just come off of a business deal. I
[01:04:31.039] had a mulch business. I had a composting
[01:04:33.119] business. And I'm I'm a capitalist. But
[01:04:35.839] I can remember, you remember that scene
[01:04:37.520] in the Godfather right before he dies,
[01:04:39.280] the original Godfather, and he's
[01:04:40.720] spraying that on the on the tomatoes and
[01:04:42.880] the little grandb babies running around
[01:04:44.160] him. My daddy had one of those sprayers.
[01:04:45.839] I remember he he grew these tomatoes.
[01:04:47.440] And at the time, I remember I think he
[01:04:48.720] spent $20 on tomatoes and fertilizer.
[01:04:51.599] And we got like three of these gnarly
[01:04:53.280] tomatoes. Of course, this is in the 70s
[01:04:55.039] and we're family of public educators, so
[01:04:57.440] 20 bucks is righteous bucks. I said,
[01:04:59.599] "Daddy, I'd like to try that. I want to
[01:05:00.880] try organic gardening." And he said,
[01:05:03.520] "All right, you go ahead." And at the
[01:05:05.359] time, Kub used to come by the house and
[01:05:08.559] um a chipper truck and they'd pick up
[01:05:11.680] all your brush, you know, throw them in
[01:05:13.599] the back of one of those big chippers
[01:05:14.880] and they'd spit it in the back of the
[01:05:16.240] truck. And I said, "What do y'all do
[01:05:17.920] with that stuff?" We take it to the
[01:05:19.119] landfill. I said, "Really? How much they
[01:05:20.799] pay you for it?" And they said, "They
[01:05:21.839] don't. We pay them to take it." This was
[01:05:23.760] in 1978. I was in the eighth grade as
[01:05:26.240] the wheel started turning. I thought,
[01:05:27.200] "Man, that's a business idea." I said,
[01:05:28.559] "Dump that stuff here." So, they dumped
[01:05:30.720] it and I composted it and I had a crazy,
[01:05:33.200] incredible garden. Squash, beans,
[01:05:35.760] strawberries, um, tomatoes, of course,
[01:05:38.079] and I I fed the church, the the
[01:05:39.760] neighborhood, everybody come by the
[01:05:41.039] house. I friends and me, they give them
[01:05:42.640] a sack of tomatoes. Well, fast forward,
[01:05:46.400] uh, went to college, six years of
[01:05:48.480] undergraduate studies at the University
[01:05:49.920] of Tennessee. I thoroughly enjoyed my
[01:05:52.079] college career, six years of studies.
[01:05:55.119] Um, I didn't drink or smoke pot and it
[01:05:57.599] still took me six years.
[01:05:58.960] >> That's pretty good.
[01:05:59.680] >> End up agreeing to technological adult
[01:06:01.839] education. I was certified to teach
[01:06:03.760] shop. Took a few art classes and
[01:06:05.760] apparently I got an art certification I
[01:06:08.400] think on my certificate I believe. But
[01:06:10.319] anyway, so um I can weld and fix motors
[01:06:12.880] and I can burn your house down if you
[01:06:15.119] need it wired. I can't do that very
[01:06:16.400] well. But all the other machine shop
[01:06:18.160] stuff I can do that or I could at the
[01:06:20.000] time. So, I came up with this idea. I
[01:06:22.400] taken all the city's yard waste and I
[01:06:26.240] presented it to then the city mayor. I
[01:06:28.319] said, "What are y'all doing with it?" I
[01:06:29.280] said, "We take it to the landfill and
[01:06:31.520] they could pay me a reduced fee of what
[01:06:34.319] they take it to the landfill. I would
[01:06:36.160] grind it and then sell it." Well, we had
[01:06:38.960] a blizzard that year. So, we did about
[01:06:42.559] seems like we did 30,000 tons that first
[01:06:46.079] year and they paid me around, it was
[01:06:47.680] under 20, but just say $20 a ton. So, I
[01:06:50.240] was making $600,000
[01:06:52.400] and this was in um 91 or '92. I was been
[01:06:56.319] out of college for a little while,
[01:06:57.520] worked in the business world. And um
[01:07:01.760] I I literally I would have been a
[01:07:04.160] million. I I became very wealthy, but I
[01:07:06.400] had to grind it. So, it cost me about a
[01:07:07.839] half a million dollars. So, I was still
[01:07:10.079] clearing $100,000 living at home with my
[01:07:12.960] family who's public educator. So,
[01:07:14.480] $100,000 was pretty righteous bucks. But
[01:07:16.640] then I sold it. I sold it for um for I
[01:07:20.160] think it was $20 a pickup truckload. So
[01:07:23.599] I was selling between um I would sell
[01:07:26.799] four to 5,000 pickup truckloads a month.
[01:07:28.960] So I mean I was raking it and it was all
[01:07:31.280] cash and I reported everything and had
[01:07:33.119] accountants and made sure I was crazy
[01:07:35.200] honest. I gave half of it away to
[01:07:38.000] churches and schools. Well, somebody
[01:07:40.319] decided they wanted that business what I
[01:07:43.280] think ended up happening and um they
[01:07:45.200] accused me of taking toxic waste. They
[01:07:46.720] said there's bacteria in that newspaper
[01:07:48.559] articles. There's bacteria in his mulch.
[01:07:50.480] Well, human body contains a half a pound
[01:07:52.640] of uh a quarter pound of bacteria. I
[01:07:55.119] mean, it aids in digestion. If the earth
[01:07:57.200] didn't have bacteria, it'd be a cube. I
[01:07:59.200] mean, we just press, you know, nothing
[01:08:00.720] would. So, the Smoky Mountains, there's
[01:08:03.200] not in these parks out here, there's
[01:08:04.559] nobody running around in a white suit
[01:08:05.839] collecting every leaf, you know, and and
[01:08:07.760] putting it. So, God had a plan and and
[01:08:10.559] bacteria is part of it. Well, of course,
[01:08:12.559] it had bacteria in it. and they would
[01:08:14.799] test it and they did a faulty test and
[01:08:17.359] finally it just got ridiculous. The EPA
[01:08:19.440] even came in and and oddly enough, the
[01:08:23.359] day after they closed my business, I got
[01:08:25.440] the EPA report and it cleared me and
[01:08:27.120] said, "In fact, there is bacteria in
[01:08:28.480] there, but there's not abnormal amounts.
[01:08:30.719] There's nothing." And the head of UT's
[01:08:32.640] microbiology department, I'll never
[01:08:34.000] forget this. He Tucker, he ate my mulch
[01:08:36.400] on the news to prove that this was just
[01:08:38.799] bogus. This is crazy. And the state
[01:08:40.960] would come in and shut me down. They get
[01:08:42.880] >> How was it?
[01:08:43.679] >> Huh? How's the mulch?
[01:08:45.199] >> Delicious.
[01:08:46.000] >> Yeah,
[01:08:46.400] >> delicious. Um, tastes a lot like
[01:08:48.239] chicken.
[01:08:48.640] >> I bet.
[01:08:49.199] >> So anyway, um,
[01:08:52.400] uh, I end up losing that business. And I
[01:08:54.159] remember my dad told me, he said, "Put
[01:08:55.359] an American flag on top of that mulch
[01:08:57.040] pile." And I did. And he said, "This
[01:08:59.120] thing's bigger than that." Daddy's World
[01:09:00.319] War II veteran. Nothing. He's calm under
[01:09:03.600] fire. Man, him and mama both were
[01:09:05.199] wonderful people. Mama flew an airplane
[01:09:06.640] during the Second World War, depression
[01:09:08.000] era. Didn't have electricity. She's
[01:09:09.440] senior in high school. They were tough
[01:09:11.600] people. And they didn't like what they
[01:09:12.880] were doing to me. And apparently the
[01:09:14.080] public didn't either cuz I knocked on I
[01:09:16.239] said I knocked on over 6,000 doors and
[01:09:18.000] beat a respected incumbent I guess in
[01:09:20.400] the primary and um and I never looked
[01:09:23.600] back and I became I was in the state
[01:09:25.920] house for four years, state senate for
[01:09:27.759] 12 years and that's sort of been my
[01:09:29.040] thing even with the UFOs. My thing is
[01:09:31.359] when people come to me because
[01:09:34.480] you can hire a lobbyist, you can hire a
[01:09:37.679] lawyer, but the average working guy,
[01:09:40.400] they call the they call the front desk
[01:09:42.159] and they asked, "Can I speak to Tim?"
[01:09:44.159] because they think they know me because
[01:09:46.239] they're, you know, the government's
[01:09:47.759] ripped them off. And I always remember
[01:09:49.279] during that time it was when um do you
[01:09:52.239] remember Travelgate under the Clinton
[01:09:54.320] administration?
[01:09:55.040] >> Yes. And it seems like I think Hillary
[01:09:57.440] and Bill they they if I remember
[01:09:59.360] correctly they these people that were
[01:10:01.199] running the travel operation at the
[01:10:02.640] White House and Congress they ran them
[01:10:04.400] out of business. They
[01:10:05.840] >> so put their friends in there
[01:10:06.960] >> so they could put their friends in there
[01:10:08.000] and those people traveled the country
[01:10:09.520] because I remember they had a half a
[01:10:11.120] million dollars or they had 300,000 in
[01:10:13.120] legal expenses. I had more than that in
[01:10:15.520] the mulch business. I mean they were
[01:10:16.800] threatening a felony. They were going to
[01:10:17.840] throw me in the federal penitentiary
[01:10:19.360] over this thing and because I wouldn't
[01:10:21.360] give up. And they had and I remember the
[01:10:23.360] University of Tennessee, this liberal
[01:10:25.679] professor gave his kids extra credit if
[01:10:28.000] they would come pick at me. And they
[01:10:29.760] came down there and they brought the
[01:10:30.960] neighbors, they brought neighborhood
[01:10:32.560] people down there and they had
[01:10:33.920] misspelled words in their signs, you
[01:10:35.600] know, and they'd park their BMWs around
[01:10:37.520] the CL around the side and they could
[01:10:39.520] come pick at me to look like they were
[01:10:40.960] just and they all dressed down. It was
[01:10:42.719] the most pathetic thing. And the and I
[01:10:45.440] remember the uh the person at the city
[01:10:48.080] that was really orchestrating it all
[01:10:49.920] against me was um I remember seeing them
[01:10:53.840] hug the reporter that was writing all
[01:10:55.679] the nasty articles about me and I just
[01:10:58.719] you know the whole thing was just and
[01:11:00.159] and I saw I see Americans getting run
[01:11:02.320] down the road and that I think that's
[01:11:03.520] why people like me appeal there's not a
[01:11:06.000] lot of folks like me obviously in
[01:11:07.280] Congress but folks like me appeal to
[01:11:09.600] people because they've been run over and
[01:11:11.920] they know they can call me And I can and
[01:11:14.480] I'm not judgmental. I just say I don't
[01:11:16.640] care if they vote for me or not. Have
[01:11:18.239] people that are convicted felons. People
[01:11:20.640] have killed people before and I've
[01:11:22.000] helped them out and cuz I don't care cuz
[01:11:24.159] I see the system. It ran over me and I
[01:11:26.640] was just some white middle class kid
[01:11:29.520] from West Knoxville and the system ran
[01:11:31.760] me over.
[01:11:32.320] >> Well, speaking of someone Well, I've got
[01:11:34.239] two questions before I forget. One, have
[01:11:36.000] you ever been threatened since you've
[01:11:37.600] been in the US Congress with a primary
[01:11:40.239] challenge by your own party? Has anyone
[01:11:42.560] in your own party said, "Knock it off or
[01:11:44.400] we'll fund a challenger?"
[01:11:45.520] >> They flew, from what I understand, a
[01:11:48.080] couple people were flown to DC. I know
[01:11:51.440] one apparently was, and I think the
[01:11:53.440] other one was, and they either called me
[01:11:56.159] or called somebody else and said, you
[01:11:58.159] know, no, Tim's Tim's a good guy.
[01:12:00.480] >> Why? Why?
[01:12:01.840] >> Cuz I rock the boat. I'm not
[01:12:03.440] >> In what way?
[01:12:05.120] >> Question leadership. I don't I call them
[01:12:07.920] out. I can remember one time. Was it the
[01:12:09.600] UAPs, do you think, or
[01:12:11.040] >> No. Well, I mean, they use that. They
[01:12:13.360] think they can use that against me. It's
[01:12:15.360] other things. It's much deeper than
[01:12:16.880] that. I can remember when I went um in
[01:12:20.719] conference, we were at the Capitol Hill
[01:12:22.159] Club and they meet over there legally so
[01:12:25.280] we can talk about fundraising and then
[01:12:27.040] we were in the capital and have our
[01:12:28.640] conference meeting, talk strict
[01:12:30.080] politics. And I asked the head of the
[01:12:33.360] committee that was carrying the bill. I
[01:12:35.840] said, 'Ma'am, I said, 'How much money is
[01:12:37.440] in this bill?' And she said,"I don't
[01:12:40.480] know."
[01:12:42.000] And I said, "No, I mean, the bill that
[01:12:43.440] you're talking about right now, the one
[01:12:44.880] that we're getting ready to spend all
[01:12:45.920] this money on, how much is in it?" And
[01:12:48.159] she said, "I don't know." And leadership
[01:12:49.840] said, "Man, you can't what are you
[01:12:50.880] doing? What are you doing?" I was like,
[01:12:52.800] "What do you mean, what am I doing? I
[01:12:54.400] come from Tennessee. We run a balanced
[01:12:56.000] budget in Tennessee. It's a crazy
[01:12:57.600] concept. We have zero debt. That's why
[01:13:00.080] everybody's clamoring.
[01:13:00.960] >> Leadership didn't want you to ask how
[01:13:02.880] much money.
[01:13:03.360] >> It just made everybody uncomfortable, I
[01:13:05.120] guess. I don't know. But it things like
[01:13:06.800] that. I get it. I get it. I I ask
[01:13:08.800] questions, you know, that it just it's
[01:13:12.640] just part of the system. They beat you
[01:13:14.080] down. they beat you down and then you
[01:13:15.520] see him and then you know next thing
[01:13:17.600] it's like um that's like in Cool Hand
[01:13:19.840] Luke where where um Paul Newman is um he
[01:13:24.320] comes back they beat him down and beat
[01:13:26.239] him down and he's he becomes you know
[01:13:28.960] the the warden's boy but then in reality
[01:13:32.640] it was all in hacked and he ends up
[01:13:34.719] stealing a truck and getting killed but
[01:13:36.960] I don't plan on stealing a truck and I
[01:13:38.400] don't plan on getting killed. I'm not
[01:13:39.600] suicidal. Congress won't continue to
[01:13:41.920] exist if they keep acting like this. I
[01:13:44.159] mean,
[01:13:44.560] >> this country will not continue to exist.
[01:13:46.800] If we don't get our financial ship in
[01:13:48.719] order, we will sink. And it is we're 36
[01:13:51.679] trillion in debt. Nobody cares. All they
[01:13:55.280] care about is getting through that next
[01:13:56.400] election.
[01:13:58.000] That's bottom line. Leadership, anybody
[01:14:00.960] else. These people are all my friends.
[01:14:03.199] I'm not making any friends. s I notice
[01:14:06.560] people who have a different view or say
[01:14:09.040] things like you're saying. So Massie
[01:14:12.400] above all um Marjorie Taylor Green, you
[01:14:16.800] I'm not saying you guys agree on on
[01:14:18.640] everything. I don't think you do.
[01:14:19.679] >> But we're all very close friends,
[01:14:21.840] >> but you have the a similar orientation
[01:14:24.080] which is like actually pro America. Is
[01:14:26.560] this good for the country or is it not?
[01:14:28.560] And all three of you are either
[01:14:30.800] dismissed as crazy or really really
[01:14:33.520] hated.
[01:14:36.400] In the case of Massie, it's like,
[01:14:39.679] you know, he he's he's the target of
[01:14:42.159] like a very serious
[01:14:44.159] >> Oh, they're going to spend he'll spend
[01:14:46.480] they'll drive his money up and spend
[01:14:47.920] millions against him.
[01:14:49.280] >> Is he going to win, do you think?
[01:14:50.640] >> I don't know. I don't have any idea. I
[01:14:52.800] don't I haven't looked at the numbers. I
[01:14:55.040] don't I don't pay much attention to
[01:14:57.360] polls except election night. If it's
[01:15:00.239] close, then I question those.
[01:15:02.000] >> Yeah, you have every reason to. You said
[01:15:03.920] it uh earlier in our conversation that
[01:15:05.679] members of Congress were compromised.
[01:15:07.760] What did you mean by that?
[01:15:09.360] >> Well, I was on Can I Can I name a rival
[01:15:13.280] of yours or maybe I don't know.
[01:15:14.719] >> I want you to name anything that comes
[01:15:16.080] to mind.
[01:15:16.560] >> I was on the Benny show and it was early
[01:15:18.480] on and Benny and I become friends. I
[01:15:20.719] didn't realize he was so close to
[01:15:22.159] Charlie Charlie Kirk, but he um um but
[01:15:26.640] he had me on early on and I and I I did
[01:15:30.000] honestly I didn't know who he was and he
[01:15:31.840] asked me about that and I said well I
[01:15:34.080] said here's the way it works. It's the
[01:15:35.440] way it's worked in the past. The
[01:15:36.480] Russians even have a name for you know
[01:15:37.840] the honeypot. You um and I don't go on
[01:15:40.800] overseas trips much. I've been to one
[01:15:42.560] trip and that was prior I' I've been on
[01:15:44.800] one Kodell. Um that's I went to the
[01:15:48.159] Mexican border and I went down one day
[01:15:50.640] with um um Andy Biggs who's no who's a
[01:15:54.880] good Mormon who's hope maybe be the
[01:15:57.280] governor of Arizona. But he um he said,
[01:15:59.760] "Bridget, we're going on this trip. I
[01:16:01.120] know you don't go on these things, but
[01:16:02.480] it's just it's it's just it's one like
[01:16:04.000] you'd like. We'll go down there and
[01:16:05.199] back. We'll stay in an awful motel.
[01:16:07.760] we'll eat some cheap Mexican food, some
[01:16:09.600] barbecue, and we'll put you on a plane
[01:16:11.440] back to Tennessee. And I said, "All
[01:16:12.640] right, Andy, I'll do it." And um um but
[01:16:17.840] you know, that's about it that I've
[01:16:19.360] done. And so what happens is you're
[01:16:21.840] you're you're overseas. You're being
[01:16:24.480] told how great you are. You're sitting
[01:16:26.640] at a bar and somebody and they know what
[01:16:30.159] you're into, guys, gals, combination
[01:16:32.719] thereof, drugs, whatever. and they'll
[01:16:36.719] hook you up and you're thinking you're
[01:16:38.159] the stud, you're the, you know, your
[01:16:39.920] wife's away. Nobody will know halfway
[01:16:41.520] around the world. You end up sleeping
[01:16:43.840] with somebody and then, you know, you're
[01:16:46.400] out. Next day you're flying back to
[01:16:48.480] America, you know, you're you're back
[01:16:50.880] front row at the church, you know, and
[01:16:54.159] then um you're getting ready to make a
[01:16:55.520] key vote and somebody comes up and
[01:16:58.239] whispers in your ear, "Hey man, were you
[01:16:59.920] in a motel room with a girl in, you
[01:17:01.920] know, Istanbul or something?" And he was
[01:17:03.600] like, "Oh crap."
[01:17:05.679] He goes, "Man, we don't want that out."
[01:17:07.199] He goes, "No, no, no, no, no. We don't
[01:17:09.600] we're not going to put that out." I
[01:17:10.880] said, "If you can help us on this little
[01:17:12.400] bill, though, you know, now that's the
[01:17:14.320] way they used to do it." And I'm not so
[01:17:16.480] certain they don't do that now. And it's
[01:17:18.320] funny when I did that show with Benny
[01:17:20.400] the next. And oh, I caught hell. I
[01:17:22.719] caught hell.
[01:17:23.360] >> You said that.
[01:17:24.000] >> I said that and members said, "Oh, you
[01:17:26.000] can't be saying that stuff, Burchett."
[01:17:27.600] What?
[01:17:27.920] >> You know,
[01:17:29.360] >> truth hurts, I guess, for some people
[01:17:30.960] and other people. Have you ever, by the
[01:17:32.480] way, just parathetically, ever been
[01:17:34.159] attacked for saying something false or
[01:17:36.000] only true things?
[01:17:37.520] >> Only true things. Only true things. So,
[01:17:39.520] I'm It's funny. The next week, Tucker,
[01:17:42.719] there was this huge and I said it always
[01:17:44.719] gets covered up and everything gets
[01:17:46.640] covered up and then somebody owns you.
[01:17:48.320] That's compromised. That'll be the title
[01:17:49.840] of my book. If I ever write a book, Tim
[01:17:51.360] Burch, it's compromised Washington
[01:17:53.280] because that's what happens or has
[01:17:55.360] happened in the past. The very next
[01:17:57.199] week, a Chinese prostitution ring was
[01:18:01.280] busted in where? Washington DC. And who
[01:18:04.800] are the and it was listed in the paper.
[01:18:06.960] Who is their client list? Um,
[01:18:10.960] high-ranking officials
[01:18:14.000] um in government, elected officials, and
[01:18:17.679] lobbyist.
[01:18:19.760] Now
[01:18:21.600] to me that that that's all kinds of red
[01:18:24.159] flags going up all over the place. Well,
[01:18:26.480] and then the next week the story
[01:18:28.400] disappeared.
[01:18:29.679] >> Yeah,
[01:18:30.239] >> of course it did. But I think what they
[01:18:32.640] do now mostly is they have jobs. If you
[01:18:35.280] look at these guys and gals and uh you
[01:18:38.719] know they're they have a wife and or
[01:18:41.280] girlfriend that'll work in one of these
[01:18:43.120] industries. I mean $100,000 to a
[01:18:44.960] multi-billion dollar corporation is
[01:18:46.800] nothing. and it's it's extra supply of
[01:18:49.199] paper clips or something. I think that's
[01:18:51.520] how they do it now. You have them in in
[01:18:54.719] political offices, you have them in
[01:18:56.560] business offices, you have them all
[01:18:58.320] over. And
[01:18:59.280] >> you have what?
[01:19:00.560] >> They're employed. And so they own your
[01:19:03.040] ass.
[01:19:04.080] >> Ah,
[01:19:04.719] >> see they're employed by these people.
[01:19:06.239] I'm sorry.
[01:19:07.120] >> Get my wife a job, get my girl a job,
[01:19:09.280] >> get them both a job, you know, and keep
[01:19:11.199] them separate. And um
[01:19:14.400] you know I know of I mean it's it's just
[01:19:16.480] it's just common. I mean I hear about
[01:19:18.239] all the time. I hear about
[01:19:19.120] >> very common.
[01:19:19.679] >> I hear I mean it's I mean they just talk
[01:19:21.440] oh she she works over at defense, she
[01:19:24.080] works over at justice. She works for
[01:19:26.719] this case or he does or somebody does or
[01:19:29.120] they work back in the district for such
[01:19:30.719] and such. I mean it's just human nature.
[01:19:33.040] >> People that members of Congress are
[01:19:34.640] sleeping with either legally or not are
[01:19:37.280] employed by forces that want to control
[01:19:40.239] members of Congress.
[01:19:41.920] I that's what they used to do and now
[01:19:45.520] I'm pretty sure you know I I knew of
[01:19:47.600] instances where that happened when I was
[01:19:49.199] in the legislature and now they do it
[01:19:52.880] but through the employment agencies
[01:19:56.960] >> through employment agencies.
[01:19:58.080] >> I mean just I mean they employ them is
[01:19:59.679] what I'm saying.
[01:20:00.400] >> They employ them. Yeah. No, I mean I I
[01:20:02.880] know a bunch of members of Congress I
[01:20:05.040] can right off the top of my head I can
[01:20:06.640] think of with spouses in this or that in
[01:20:10.320] >> and they might be incredibly qualified
[01:20:12.480] but the reality is America's not buying
[01:20:15.600] that. Nobody should but again 12% of the
[01:20:18.560] population votes. This is what you get.
[01:20:21.679] >> I have noticed just having spent my life
[01:20:23.520] in DC that people's personal lives are
[01:20:26.640] getting weirder in the Congress. Have
[01:20:27.840] you noticed that without without
[01:20:29.040] implicating anyone by name? I don't
[01:20:31.040] think I'm imagining this. It's not just
[01:20:33.120] sleeping with your scheduleuler. It's
[01:20:34.480] weirder than that now. Have you noticed
[01:20:36.480] that?
[01:20:37.520] >> I try to stay in my office as much as
[01:20:39.440] possible. I
[01:20:40.159] >> Well, I just want to say for the record,
[01:20:42.159] I never heard of anybody participating
[01:20:43.679] in an orgy in Washington DC in my entire
[01:20:46.080] life and I've heard a lot about it
[01:20:47.280] recently. So, that is I wasn't there.
[01:20:49.840] I'm not going there. But I think that's
[01:20:51.679] real. So,
[01:20:52.320] >> I've never been I I don't know if it is
[01:20:54.000] or isn't. I'd like I'd hope that it
[01:20:56.000] isn't and I'd like to think that it
[01:20:57.600] isn't, but I've never been invited. So,
[01:20:59.840] >> yeah. I
[01:21:01.280] >> when I was in the state legislature, we
[01:21:03.040] used to talk about that how we knew some
[01:21:05.199] people were pretty shady
[01:21:06.880] >> and um but you know they never they
[01:21:10.080] would never come to somebody like me and
[01:21:11.520] offer me anything because they knew my
[01:21:13.199] background.
[01:21:13.760] >> No. And they know you're making
[01:21:14.880] skateboards in your garage. So you're
[01:21:16.320] busy
[01:21:17.199] >> in my barn.
[01:21:18.239] >> Your barn. So um one of the members of
[01:21:20.800] Congress who all of us were encouraged
[01:21:22.239] to think was weird and to hate. He was
[01:21:25.120] almost like a ritual sacrifice for the
[01:21:26.960] sins of the of the entire body I felt
[01:21:29.199] was this guy George Santos. George
[01:21:31.760] Santos was not even a full-term
[01:21:33.840] congressman from New York who was uh you
[01:21:37.679] know like a serial fabricator. Made up
[01:21:39.440] all these kind of amazing stories about
[01:21:41.360] his life and he played on competitive
[01:21:43.520] volleyball. He worked at Goldman Sachs
[01:21:45.520] and it was all kind of it was all fake.
[01:21:47.679] He was he was both Jewish and something
[01:21:51.120] else. I can't remember. Anyway, it was
[01:21:52.480] all made up. Um
[01:21:55.280] he wound up
[01:21:56.080] >> We always say Jewish.
[01:21:58.880] >> I think I heard Schumer say that.
[01:22:00.400] >> I was amused by the whole thing. Maybe
[01:22:02.080] >> I was too bad. But I just thought who
[01:22:04.320] who is Congress to stand in judgment
[01:22:06.000] anyway?
[01:22:06.400] >> But I don't Well, that's it. But I don't
[01:22:08.159] remember George Santos ever advocating
[01:22:09.920] for like killing innocent people, which
[01:22:11.679] is like very common. George Santos had
[01:22:14.239] one of the most conservative voting
[01:22:15.520] records in Congress across the board.
[01:22:17.840] Conservative. I mean, sometimes I'd look
[01:22:20.560] up there and think, "Dad, gum, George,
[01:22:22.480] that's a that's a little harsh for me."
[01:22:24.159] You know, he'd vote against something
[01:22:25.520] that was and I'd say, "It cost $5 per
[01:22:27.840] bite. We're broke." And I go, "All
[01:22:29.199] right, G, you're good. I'm good with
[01:22:31.040] it." You know,
[01:22:32.000] >> interesting.
[01:22:32.639] >> Yeah. So, um, George Santos wound up in
[01:22:36.080] prison, and I spoke to someone this
[01:22:38.480] morning who's close to George Santos,
[01:22:40.239] who visited him in prison, uh, this
[01:22:42.400] weekend,
[01:22:43.040] >> right?
[01:22:43.760] >> And told me that he saw George Santos
[01:22:46.800] um, shackled in chains and he's been in
[01:22:50.480] solitary since he got to prison. He did
[01:22:52.159] an interview.
[01:22:52.719] >> He's doing time in a federal lockup,
[01:22:54.239] too.
[01:22:54.560] >> In a federal lockup, in solitary
[01:22:56.639] confinement
[01:22:57.280] >> 24 hours a day. He's 24. He gets out, I
[01:22:59.760] think, 1 hour to maybe eat and take a
[01:23:01.520] bath.
[01:23:01.840] >> What is going on? How did George Santos
[01:23:04.000] wind up in prison for like 7 years and
[01:23:06.800] now he's in solitary?
[01:23:08.719] >> What's P Daddy doing? Four maybe.
[01:23:12.080] >> Oh, I know actual criminals who were who
[01:23:14.480] were like celebrated on the front page
[01:23:15.760] of the newspaper. So, I know a lot of
[01:23:17.440] them. So,
[01:23:18.800] >> whatever. Not I don't want to lecture
[01:23:20.560] the deep unfairness of life, but like
[01:23:23.440] >> what is that? Why? I think he was a
[01:23:25.840] sacrificial lamb and I think our party
[01:23:28.239] and everybody else just kicked him to
[01:23:30.080] the curb and said, "Look how righteous
[01:23:31.600] we are."
[01:23:33.199] >> And I just don't, you know, he'd always
[01:23:35.520] sit with me on sinners row. That's what
[01:23:37.199] I call it. Every time somebody would get
[01:23:39.280] in trouble, they would or perceived to
[01:23:41.360] be in trouble cuz I'm not, you know, I I
[01:23:45.679] I've said this before and I I mean, I'll
[01:23:47.360] say it publicly. I George was under a
[01:23:49.840] heck of a lot of pressure and and I call
[01:23:52.400] myself a Christian and if I sat there
[01:23:54.000] and watched him
[01:23:56.639] kill himself over something and and he
[01:23:58.800] went to hell, I'd have that on my soul
[01:24:01.199] and I just don't want that. And um and
[01:24:04.159] you know my chief of staff called me one
[01:24:06.880] day and said hollered, "Hey boss," I
[01:24:08.880] said, he goes, "I know what you're going
[01:24:10.159] to say." And I go, "What is it?" And he
[01:24:12.000] said, "Nobody wants to take George as
[01:24:14.320] their mentor. Would you be his mentor?"
[01:24:15.920] I said, "Sure. sign him up and he just
[01:24:18.639] shook his head and I said said, "Yeah,
[01:24:20.080] he'll do it." And then um and George and
[01:24:22.800] I just became fast friends. You know,
[01:24:24.400] his his office was caddyy cornered to
[01:24:26.560] mine and the press would be just lined
[01:24:28.719] up down the hall and I some kid would
[01:24:30.719] walk by close in stature down the other,
[01:24:33.840] hey, there's George Santos. And they'd
[01:24:35.199] all run down there and and chase him and
[01:24:37.440] I'd have fun with that. And then um
[01:24:39.679] George would come in the office and I
[01:24:41.199] would talk to him about that and I'd
[01:24:42.560] talk to him about my faith.
[01:24:44.320] And you know, I just said, "This ain't
[01:24:47.360] this is not reality, George. Don't I"
[01:24:50.239] And he I'd say, "Promise me if you think
[01:24:52.800] you're going to take your life, you'd
[01:24:54.320] call me anytime, night or day." He said,
[01:24:56.880] "I will, Tim. Don't worry." And he never
[01:24:59.120] did, you know, but he would call me from
[01:25:01.199] time to time. And
[01:25:02.159] >> but who is like, "How did he wind up in
[01:25:04.080] prison for long?"
[01:25:05.600] >> And to me, I just don't understand that.
[01:25:07.280] We just turned our back on him and and
[01:25:09.679] >> the Republican party leadership did.
[01:25:11.760] >> Oh, absolutely. They don't want anywhere
[01:25:13.120] near it. We have to, you know, I guess
[01:25:15.040] they
[01:25:15.280] >> like he's creepier than they are. Sorry,
[01:25:17.600] that's not true.
[01:25:18.480] >> Well, no.
[01:25:19.600] >> True. That's so I'm just You don't have
[01:25:20.960] to say that. You work there. But they're
[01:25:22.560] they are way creepier than George
[01:25:24.000] Santos. Fact.
[01:25:25.440] >> George is a very interesting guy. And
[01:25:26.880] yeah, he fabricated a lot of stuff, but
[01:25:28.719] he's literally doing more time than than
[01:25:31.120] P. Diddy or what? Combmes or whatever
[01:25:32.880] his name is.
[01:25:33.600] >> Solitary confinement.
[01:25:34.560] >> Solitary confinement. And generally
[01:25:36.000] solitary is where they put the violent
[01:25:38.320] people, the people that have committed
[01:25:40.560] heinous crimes. And I hear people say,
[01:25:42.239] "Good, good. But I hope they lock him up
[01:25:43.679] for the rest of his life. And I
[01:25:44.800] >> heard someone say that about George
[01:25:45.840] Santos?
[01:25:46.320] >> Oh yeah, I've heard it
[01:25:47.280] >> where
[01:25:48.639] >> in Congress. I've heard him talk about
[01:25:50.239] it and how bad it made it look for us. I
[01:25:52.639] was like, for us? I said, have you not
[01:25:55.199] read the papers lately? We do a pretty
[01:25:56.960] good job of making it look bad.
[01:25:58.400] >> I don't think George Santos started the
[01:26:00.239] Ukraine war. I mean, what?
[01:26:02.400] >> No, we just I don't know. I think again,
[01:26:05.280] we're a little big on ourselves
[01:26:06.719] sometimes.
[01:26:08.080] >> So, um, it does seem he's clearly being
[01:26:10.400] punished. He clearly has powerful
[01:26:12.239] enemies. I'm not sure who they are, but
[01:26:15.440] or maybe I I don't understand the whole
[01:26:17.440] thing, but how this person called me
[01:26:20.159] this morning to say, "Can you save
[01:26:21.600] George Santos?" I mean, I said, "I'm a
[01:26:23.280] podcaster. I can't save anybody." But I
[01:26:26.719] I don't know. This This is like the This
[01:26:29.120] is truly wrong. What's happening to
[01:26:31.760] George Santos? It
[01:26:32.800] >> is completely wrong. Uh yeah, he he
[01:26:34.960] committed I guess he he took money he
[01:26:37.040] shouldn't have, but
[01:26:38.560] >> was a campaign finance violation. Yeah,
[01:26:40.960] a campaign finance violation. Correct.
[01:26:43.840] >> Right. The whole category is
[01:26:46.239] >> and you know they they stack so much up
[01:26:48.400] against him. I think the amount of time
[01:26:49.920] he was going to do was just incredible
[01:26:52.080] if he'd have stacked them on top of each
[01:26:53.920] other.
[01:26:54.480] >> But then to torture him once he gets to
[01:26:56.719] prison,
[01:26:57.360] >> I think is
[01:27:00.320] he's if he if he if he lives through it
[01:27:02.480] all, he's going to he's going to have
[01:27:05.199] one heck of a story to tell.
[01:27:06.639] >> You don't want to live in a country that
[01:27:07.760] does that to people. I don't think I
[01:27:10.159] mean
[01:27:11.040] >> so only Trump can save him. Is that kind
[01:27:12.800] of where we are? Do you think?
[01:27:13.760] >> I think so. I think so. They can
[01:27:15.440] commute. You know, they they did these
[01:27:17.040] reality TV show people that he didn't
[01:27:19.600] even know. Um we happen to know George.
[01:27:23.120] I you know, give him community service
[01:27:26.239] home lock up or whatever, but I just
[01:27:29.120] think it's a waste of taxpayers money
[01:27:30.719] and it's a waste. It's just it just
[01:27:32.560] doesn't seem right. I just don't unless
[01:27:35.600] everybody else is going to go to jail
[01:27:36.960] for a longer amount of time for the
[01:27:38.719] crimes they committed.
[01:27:40.000] >> Well, I mean, I remember very well Bill
[01:27:42.159] Jefferson. I mean, I've just watched a
[01:27:44.000] lot of different scandals in the
[01:27:45.360] Congress. Almost all Democrats and the
[01:27:49.120] Democratic party stood behind those
[01:27:50.639] people till the till sentencing.
[01:27:52.239] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:27:52.880] >> The leadership.
[01:27:53.760] >> You remember they all walked out of
[01:27:54.880] Congress when Clinton was and and they
[01:27:57.440] you know, I was there that day. Um Yes.
[01:28:00.480] 1998. I'll never forget it. So, um,
[01:28:04.800] the Republican leadership with Marjorie,
[01:28:07.600] Taylor Green, with Massie now, and with
[01:28:11.440] Santos, just like immediately, we we've
[01:28:13.440] never heard of the guy and we hope he
[01:28:14.719] dies in prison. Like, what is that? Why
[01:28:17.520] can't the Republican party have
[01:28:18.800] leadership that stands by its people and
[01:28:21.360] stands by its voters? Is that too much
[01:28:23.760] to ask?
[01:28:24.560] >> I think we read our opinion polls too
[01:28:26.320] much and not our souls.
[01:28:29.520] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, what's your sacred
[01:28:31.360] duty? It's to represent the people who
[01:28:32.880] elected you. That's the whole purpose of
[01:28:35.679] being there.
[01:28:36.159] >> I always thought, too, our anger, if we
[01:28:38.639] had to be angry at anybody, it should
[01:28:40.159] have been the Democrats who did the
[01:28:42.719] opposition resource. I mean, you know,
[01:28:44.880] opposition research on on George. I
[01:28:48.000] mean, you could have Googled and found
[01:28:49.920] out that stuff. You could have called
[01:28:51.199] the school and said, "Hey, is he in
[01:28:52.560] school here?" or whatever.
[01:28:54.080] >> Lying on your I mean, the guy's like an
[01:28:55.440] epic artist. I get it. Yeah. I
[01:28:57.199] mean, I don't, you know, I'm not
[01:28:58.159] defending wine.
[01:28:58.880] >> Is that federal is that a federal crime?
[01:29:01.840] >> Well, you just spent an hour telling me
[01:29:03.280] how they're lying about UFOs, which is a
[01:29:05.840] pretty serious thing to lie about.
[01:29:07.120] They're shutting down military bases
[01:29:08.639] because they can't, you know, cuz the
[01:29:10.400] they don't control the airspace. So,
[01:29:12.159] that's very serious.
[01:29:13.920] >> They're lying about the Kennedy
[01:29:14.960] assassination. They lied about
[01:29:16.400] September.
[01:29:17.040] >> Yeah. The funny thing about Kennedy, we
[01:29:18.480] had him in on our committee. um Luna
[01:29:21.760] chairs it in this oversight subcommittee
[01:29:24.960] and we had a doctor in there who was um
[01:29:28.320] in the um emergency room with Kennedy
[01:29:31.040] and he said there was clearly an entry
[01:29:33.360] wound, an exit wound and an entry wound
[01:29:36.800] and an exit wound going the opposite
[01:29:38.560] direction.
[01:29:39.199] >> Yeah.
[01:29:39.600] >> And you know one bullet supposed to that
[01:29:41.520] magic bullet did that
[01:29:43.360] >> shot John Connley and the president
[01:29:44.880] simultaneously.
[01:29:46.000] >> Well um those files have not been fully
[01:29:47.920] released as you know. No. No. And they
[01:29:49.679] never will be. They never will be. And
[01:29:51.760] just power control and and and these and
[01:29:54.320] the CIA or whoever would have to admit
[01:29:56.400] that they were wrong. They'd have to
[01:29:57.840] admit that they were wrong. And the
[01:29:59.679] arrogance is just I think once you take
[01:30:03.199] the oath, you you get an oath of
[01:30:05.040] arrogance
[01:30:06.159] >> that you got to protect us our our past
[01:30:09.040] and we'll protect you kind of thing in
[01:30:10.560] the future. And I just think that
[01:30:12.560] carries on with them all. And they for
[01:30:15.199] whatever reason.
[01:30:17.199] >> Okay. But George Santos pretending to be
[01:30:19.600] a highle volleyball player is the real
[01:30:21.600] crime.
[01:30:22.159] >> That is the crime of the century.
[01:30:23.440] >> He said he worked at Goldman Sachs. Kill
[01:30:25.280] him.
[01:30:26.320] >> Okay, just to put just to put deception
[01:30:28.480] in perspective here cuz I think that you
[01:30:30.159] know not all lies are the same.
[01:30:31.520] >> I agree.
[01:30:32.159] >> Uh okay, final question. Since you more
[01:30:34.320] than any member of Congress have thought
[01:30:35.760] about this, as candidly as you can
[01:30:38.080] answer, what do you think based on what
[01:30:41.280] you've heard the UFOs are? Actually,
[01:30:47.440] I think
[01:30:49.520] again God created the heavens and the
[01:30:52.239] earth. And every night I go out with my
[01:30:54.800] dogs, usually at 4:00 in the morning,
[01:30:56.880] they go to the bathroom and look at
[01:30:58.239] those stars. Yep. And I see the light
[01:31:00.159] from those stars. And it's hard for my
[01:31:02.800] very small brain to compre comprehend
[01:31:04.880] this. A light from those stars left
[01:31:06.880] there before the time of Christ. And
[01:31:08.800] some of those stars don't even exist
[01:31:10.239] that we're looking at today,
[01:31:11.679] >> right?
[01:31:12.480] >> Which is hard for me to fathom or as a
[01:31:14.880] good old voice would say, hard for me to
[01:31:16.159] fathom. But I
[01:31:20.239] I think there's something else out
[01:31:21.760] there. I do not think we are the best
[01:31:24.080] that God can do. Now is there something
[01:31:26.560] here as that's you know proposed to me
[01:31:29.600] with these deep sea areas I don't know
[01:31:32.639] is something been here but the um
[01:31:37.040] the way for me to comprehend anything
[01:31:38.639] traveling light years I mean it's just
[01:31:41.360] beyond belief that is beyond belief but
[01:31:43.520] now there's this quantum I've been
[01:31:46.400] explained quantum physics and I really
[01:31:48.320] don't understand it how something can be
[01:31:50.719] here and instantaneously be hereim
[01:31:54.960] simultane almost simultaneously. And
[01:31:57.440] that that to me begs the question of how
[01:32:01.679] does that fit into all this? And if
[01:32:04.159] something's here in these deep sea
[01:32:06.400] areas, has it been here for,
[01:32:09.760] you know, thousands of years? And that's
[01:32:12.080] the other question. That's what, you
[01:32:14.239] know, these folks in the Navy kind of
[01:32:15.840] and I have to be real careful
[01:32:17.040] >> with the folks in the Navy. What
[01:32:18.320] >> that that I've talked to about this
[01:32:20.560] undersea type
[01:32:21.600] >> and what have they said? And they said,
[01:32:23.520] "We don't know what's down there." And
[01:32:25.760] they said, "There's we think there's a
[01:32:27.440] reason that they're over these deep sea
[01:32:29.280] areas that we cannot get to."
[01:32:33.360] >> And so I don't
[01:32:34.400] >> their belief is whatever these things
[01:32:35.679] are,
[01:32:36.239] >> they've been here. And and obviously if
[01:32:39.679] there was if they meant harm to us, we I
[01:32:42.800] mean we're doing a pretty good job of
[01:32:43.920] harming ourselves. Um just look at our
[01:32:47.600] political structure. But the the truth
[01:32:50.159] is is that we just don't know. And I
[01:32:52.080] don't know, my my thoughts are kind of
[01:32:54.159] evolving on it, Tucker, to be honest
[01:32:55.679] with you, because I I get to the point
[01:32:57.760] sometimes where I'm kind of beat down. I
[01:32:59.840] think, "Oh, this is crazy. There can't
[01:33:01.440] be." But
[01:33:03.360] how many of these people got to come
[01:33:04.719] forward to me that I that I know and
[01:33:06.480] respect
[01:33:08.239] u tell tell me what they've seen and
[01:33:10.719] there's no no explanation for it. And so
[01:33:13.920] I I just think it's another one of those
[01:33:16.639] things I'm not going to know till
[01:33:20.080] I'm in heaven. I mean I I know that
[01:33:22.159] sounds that sounds weird and and
[01:33:23.920] >> it doesn't sound weird at all. It sounds
[01:33:25.199] entirely true. And that's true for a lot
[01:33:27.199] of things including understanding
[01:33:30.080] people's motivations including your own
[01:33:31.679] motivations. Like we don't understand
[01:33:33.199] anything. I mean of course
[01:33:34.320] >> we don't I mean it's every you know and
[01:33:36.000] and science can't get out of its own
[01:33:38.560] way. every time they find something new,
[01:33:40.639] you know, it's um like the celacanth for
[01:33:43.120] instance, it was a a loed thin fish
[01:33:46.719] caught off the coast of Madagascar, I
[01:33:48.880] believe it was, and it's supposed to
[01:33:50.239] have been extinct 50 million years ago.
[01:33:52.400] But all of a sudden, it's here and then
[01:33:54.159] they well, you know, there was this but
[01:33:56.480] they can't explain it. And I again go
[01:33:58.320] back to that Bible verse, those
[01:33:59.679] professing themselves to be wise became
[01:34:01.520] fools. And I I think it's I was on a a
[01:34:05.199] show the other day with a a guy named
[01:34:07.760] Lo. He's a UFO guy. He's um Yeah, I
[01:34:10.960] think he's at Harvard, I believe.
[01:34:13.440] Anyway, he um he was talking about how
[01:34:16.480] science what he likes about science is
[01:34:18.320] that it's that it it's it's changing and
[01:34:22.159] it's and how it but a lot of scientists
[01:34:24.480] it's like, you know, this is a brick
[01:34:26.400] wall. This is way it is. It's not going
[01:34:28.080] to change. And I think with the UFOs,
[01:34:30.800] that's kind of the situation we're in.
[01:34:32.800] Um, I just tell you, I've talked to too
[01:34:34.880] many people that have just sworn to me
[01:34:37.920] what they've seen and um, and some that
[01:34:42.800] I can't disclo disclose, but and I would
[01:34:46.239] hope that eventually that those people
[01:34:48.159] are able to come forward.
[01:34:49.760] >> Yeah. And in general that people would
[01:34:51.600] start telling the truth. It's it's an
[01:34:53.679] act of liberation when you do.
[01:34:55.440] Congressman Timber, I appreciate you
[01:34:57.120] coming on. Thank you.
[01:34:57.920] >> Thank you, Tucker.
[01:34:59.760] [Applause]
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