Patterns Tell Stories - @TinyKlaus | That UFO Podcast

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lllbNrujZjE
• Channel: That UFO Podcast
• Guest: ᴋʟᴀᵾs / TinyKlaus
• Episode published: 2023-06-04 on the podcast feed; video uploaded 2023-06-10
• Duration: 1:04:22
• Captured: 2026-08-27
• Extraction: complete English auto-generated YouTube captions through youtube-transcript-api, with source timestamps. The captions sometimes render "Klaus" as "close" or "TinyKlaus" as "tiny close."
• Analysis: ../../sources/tinyklaus-ufosloth

[00:00:00.000] this is Ross coultart and you are
[00:00:02.639] listening to that UFO podcast
[00:00:06.060] [Music]
[00:00:09.960] hi everyone and welcome back to that ua4
[00:00:12.540] podcast my name is Andy and for a change
[00:00:15.059] I'm not going to introduce the guest
[00:00:16.859] because I'm not entirely sure how to
[00:00:19.199] introduce the guest best many of you
[00:00:21.960] have been excited for this show I
[00:00:23.580] announced it a couple of weeks ago but
[00:00:25.199] due to various different things and and
[00:00:27.060] everyone's personal lives we've had to
[00:00:28.619] reschedule but I am delighted to welcome
[00:00:30.900] all the way from the Hollard Halls of
[00:00:33.420] UFO Twitter and his own substack account
[00:00:36.239] I have tiny close or close how you doing
[00:00:38.880] mate hey man how's it going good it's
[00:00:41.700] going well it's good to have you on
[00:00:43.140] people were very excited when I said you
[00:00:45.059] were going to come on the podcast and
[00:00:46.559] albeit I think that was two months ago
[00:00:49.079] to the day almost that I said that was
[00:00:51.480] going to happen but listen here we are
[00:00:53.100] these things happen for a reason
[00:00:55.320] um I've said I'm not sure how to
[00:00:57.360] introduce you because I was thinking do
[00:00:59.820] you say social media commentator do you
[00:01:02.160] say blogger do you see a researcher or
[00:01:04.979] how would you introduce yourself to an
[00:01:07.080] audience who may be listening wondering
[00:01:08.760] who is this guy
[00:01:10.439] um I would say writer first and foremost
[00:01:13.260] um yeah I just kind of started started
[00:01:17.640] writing on Reddit a couple years ago I
[00:01:20.939] um you know started really digging into
[00:01:22.860] the UFO thing I had been interested in
[00:01:24.840] it for a while
[00:01:26.040] um I had some sightings and kind of a
[00:01:28.080] paranormal experience
[00:01:29.939] um back in like 2013 not really kind of
[00:01:32.040] you know was made an impression on me
[00:01:34.320] but
[00:01:35.759] um it was only like
[00:01:38.100] about three years ago now that I started
[00:01:40.560] really digging into like the theories
[00:01:42.720] and stuff like that
[00:01:44.640] um and you know when Elizondo was doing
[00:01:46.439] all his interviews and uh it really kind
[00:01:49.560] of caught my attention that someone as
[00:01:51.180] serious as him was saying the things
[00:01:53.399] that he was saying
[00:01:54.780] uh you know and
[00:01:57.600] I don't know it really just kind of like
[00:01:59.579] was like okay this is
[00:02:01.979] this is pretty pretty intense stuff so I
[00:02:04.680] kind of just started researching and um
[00:02:07.619] posting on Reddit our UFOs it was kind
[00:02:10.380] of the place where I you know
[00:02:14.160] put all my thoughts basically I would um
[00:02:16.800] you know watch interviews and kind of
[00:02:19.020] take you know the breadcrumbs that
[00:02:21.959] quote-unquote breadcrumbs that he laid
[00:02:24.060] out and um just try to connect them to
[00:02:27.739] certain things that were more tangible
[00:02:30.680] you know science articles or stuff you
[00:02:33.840] know other people have said that that
[00:02:35.879] checked out and just kind of
[00:02:37.980] uh you know put pieces together that
[00:02:40.860] otherwise you know people wouldn't have
[00:02:43.920] um on their own well that's it I think
[00:02:46.019] for me for anyone listening wondering
[00:02:47.760] again still who is this guy and many of
[00:02:49.500] the social media followers will know you
[00:02:51.540] because you're very prominent right now
[00:02:52.920] you have a 31 000 followers are
[00:02:54.720] encountered on Twitter you know which is
[00:02:56.700] a hell of a lot and for me I started
[00:02:59.160] noticing your tweets and in that form of
[00:03:01.260] the bread comes breadcrumbs and the
[00:03:03.060] research and a statement's been made in
[00:03:05.099] an interview by Jim semivan and the next
[00:03:07.260] thing I would see it would be your
[00:03:08.700] timeline would be filled with excerpts
[00:03:10.860] from a book from valet or a comment from
[00:03:13.260] Gary Nolan somewhere and actually
[00:03:14.819] Elizondo said this in an interview in in
[00:03:18.060] your Twitter headline and on this
[00:03:19.560] podcast the episode that says patterns
[00:03:21.540] tell stories and it's just like you say
[00:03:23.580] putting those PCS together that you know
[00:03:25.319] this isn't an isolated statement someone
[00:03:27.000] made there's a background there's a
[00:03:28.800] context here and for folk like myself
[00:03:30.780] that's that's incredible because I can
[00:03:32.580] look at that and go Ah that's that's a
[00:03:34.140] really great talking point or that's
[00:03:35.640] really interesting and it's a place to
[00:03:37.379] jump off of and dig more into the
[00:03:39.959] subject and that was always really
[00:03:41.580] appreciated and helped uh helpful for
[00:03:43.680] people like myself
[00:03:45.420] um and from they are signing up to your
[00:03:46.980] sub stack and your articles are
[00:03:48.900] incredibly well researched the you know
[00:03:51.000] all of that is a gold mine for a
[00:03:53.640] podcaster so thank you for me
[00:03:56.159] um so your own background you mentioned
[00:03:58.680] some of your own experiences how far
[00:04:00.360] back does your interest go in this topic
[00:04:04.200] um so
[00:04:05.580] I guess so back
[00:04:08.459] in um High School I
[00:04:11.159] I was a quote unquote like troubled teen
[00:04:13.860] so I went to a Wilderness Program
[00:04:17.400] um therapeutic Wilderness Program and
[00:04:20.160] that was kind of my first sighting
[00:04:23.460] um was in the in the woods there in Utah
[00:04:26.520] um and it was just kind of like a star
[00:04:28.979] moving in the sky it got like big and
[00:04:31.259] kind of just shot off and you know uh
[00:04:34.259] one of those and then you know I kind of
[00:04:36.419] didn't think about it for a long time
[00:04:38.520] um
[00:04:39.240] but
[00:04:40.580] uh after that like in college and stuff
[00:04:44.160] I had another sighting that was more um
[00:04:47.699] Vivid I guess and I had it with another
[00:04:50.940] person who was in the car with me so
[00:04:53.040] that was very validating
[00:04:55.320] um in what ways
[00:04:57.000] uh just that you like I had someone else
[00:04:59.880] my roommate
[00:05:01.259] um was there you know just to experience
[00:05:04.740] it with
[00:05:05.759] um it was
[00:05:06.840] we were driving home from a party and uh
[00:05:09.540] it was a
[00:05:11.580] gray metallic disc with with like really
[00:05:16.080] you know uh neon green on the outside of
[00:05:19.139] the disc and it kind of came down the
[00:05:20.580] windshield
[00:05:21.600] uh very slowly so you could tell it was
[00:05:24.600] kind of far away
[00:05:26.039] uh and then it kind of hovered there
[00:05:27.900] it's about 500 feet away from the car
[00:05:30.780] and then it just shot off
[00:05:32.880] um and then we just looked at each other
[00:05:34.320] and me and I was like what the hell uh
[00:05:37.680] so that was kind of you know an
[00:05:40.440] experience you have with someone else
[00:05:41.880] was much different than me just seeing
[00:05:43.800] something by myself in the sky like
[00:05:45.600] wondering if I was you know seeing
[00:05:48.060] things or something like that like
[00:05:49.320] having someone else there to uh you know
[00:05:52.199] kind of talk about it and just check to
[00:05:54.300] make sure you're not going crazy
[00:05:55.919] um can I ask is that this interests me
[00:05:58.080] um whenever someone has an experience
[00:05:59.940] with someone else what was the
[00:06:02.160] conversation like immediately after
[00:06:04.560] was that a conversation was it oh let's
[00:06:06.840] put the radio back on and head home
[00:06:10.139] um yeah it was just like what the what
[00:06:12.660] the f was that you know
[00:06:14.759] um and then just asking asking each
[00:06:18.240] other over and over that was a UFO right
[00:06:20.280] like that I mean it wasn't much more
[00:06:22.380] than that um because you know
[00:06:26.460] and it kind of just turned into you know
[00:06:28.740] we just watched Ancient Aliens all the
[00:06:31.080] time and and we kind of got you know
[00:06:33.000] into it like that uh just still casual
[00:06:37.020] but like I started looking up like
[00:06:39.539] uh you know there's a face on Mars and
[00:06:42.120] and that kind of thing uh you know
[00:06:44.160] because I was like myself
[00:06:46.400] yeah yeah so I'm like yeah let's dig
[00:06:48.900] into this a little deeper but nothing
[00:06:50.520] nothing past like you know the the
[00:06:53.280] YouTube uh videos that were that were
[00:06:56.160] like
[00:06:57.020] yeah yeah you're good on the rabbit hole
[00:06:59.580] you start looking up various links and
[00:07:01.080] tweets or YouTube videos and I think for
[00:07:03.360] me it got to the point I was watching
[00:07:05.100] the Andrea basiagio videos of
[00:07:08.100] um jump Mars jump rooms and him and
[00:07:10.440] President Obama's kids you know going
[00:07:12.479] back and forward in time and it's and
[00:07:14.699] for anyone who's written what yeah I've
[00:07:16.620] mentioned them before on this but look
[00:07:18.479] up Andrew D bassiagio and I I don't know
[00:07:21.419] that one I have to check it out
[00:07:23.340] um yeah it has talks I don't think he's
[00:07:26.160] done anything for a while due to ill
[00:07:27.780] health but it was one of those like
[00:07:29.759] pinch assault things and if you listen
[00:07:31.560] to this and you believe what you say is
[00:07:33.000] fantastic but at one point he was due to
[00:07:35.280] be president in 2020 then 2022 or 24
[00:07:38.340] whatever it was the last couple of
[00:07:40.440] elections he was due to be president and
[00:07:42.960] his claims but the timeline changed and
[00:07:45.599] so as one of those potential incredible
[00:07:48.419] if true
[00:07:49.680] um but really but we need Barack Obama
[00:07:51.599] to come forward and confirm that he did
[00:07:53.280] do this as a kid with this guy um but
[00:07:55.620] yeah it was that it was that deep rabbit
[00:07:57.479] hole for me growing up and watching this
[00:07:59.880] stuff and going well I imagine that was
[00:08:01.259] true and then you find the Linda Moulton
[00:08:03.360] Howe stuff where she's talking about I
[00:08:05.880] have this story from a marine who you
[00:08:08.280] know served under the ice of the
[00:08:09.900] Antarctic and this is what they said
[00:08:11.520] happening and all that stuff that gets
[00:08:13.919] really deep and we're going to go there
[00:08:14.940] we're going to go to Atlantis soon in
[00:08:16.380] this conversation as well
[00:08:18.000] um through a mutual friend you know if
[00:08:20.639] you want to call them that
[00:08:22.199] um a friend of everyone's I suppose but
[00:08:24.060] who do you look up to in this topic
[00:08:26.099] because you you retweet and tweet and
[00:08:29.039] write about a lot of big names and big
[00:08:31.379] ideas and being someone similar age to
[00:08:34.260] myself who are some of the names you
[00:08:36.120] look at and go these are the these are
[00:08:37.620] the men the women these are the
[00:08:39.300] individuals that for me are worth
[00:08:41.339] listening to yeah um
[00:08:44.600] so yeah like I said when I was writing
[00:08:47.100] on Reddit Elizondo was um
[00:08:50.040] he was someone that I trusted and I
[00:08:52.140] still I still trust uh why why Lou uh
[00:08:56.940] because he had he had the credentials
[00:09:01.080] um
[00:09:01.800] you know before that
[00:09:03.959] was it Greer it was the you know main
[00:09:07.019] voice trusted voice probably yeah yeah
[00:09:10.140] um so this guy steps out and uh you know
[00:09:13.500] he's an actual
[00:09:15.060] government official
[00:09:17.100] um
[00:09:17.760] and I
[00:09:19.680] you know if I had seen something that
[00:09:22.260] made me question
[00:09:24.300] um
[00:09:25.500] you know where his story essentially uh
[00:09:29.220] I I would have just moved on you know I
[00:09:32.580] don't
[00:09:33.779] and that and that's happened with
[00:09:35.220] certain people in this field and that I
[00:09:38.100] just don't you know they've said or done
[00:09:40.800] something that makes me go eh and then I
[00:09:43.200] I don't really
[00:09:44.820] um
[00:09:45.600] you know include them in in my research
[00:09:48.120] anymore
[00:09:48.959] um but with Elizondo he he's never given
[00:09:51.540] me a reason to
[00:09:53.459] doubt you know what he says I mean
[00:09:55.860] there's been you know the sock puppet
[00:09:58.200] whatever that was was just whatever to
[00:10:00.660] me like you gotta defend your family and
[00:10:02.459] like that but yeah besides that I
[00:10:05.339] haven't I haven't seen anything to make
[00:10:08.459] me think uh otherwise um when it comes
[00:10:11.160] to trusting him so
[00:10:12.720] you mentioned names you've moved on from
[00:10:14.820] in terms of research is there anyone
[00:10:17.100] particular not that it's you know mud
[00:10:19.380] slinging or throwing Throwing Shade at
[00:10:21.420] people as the kids say these days but
[00:10:23.279] was it anyone because I think that's a
[00:10:25.080] natural thing in this topic and it's
[00:10:26.820] fine that you have I've always said
[00:10:29.339] about allowing your opinion to be fluid
[00:10:30.959] then I think you have to in this topic
[00:10:32.940] and sometimes you'll be proven wrong or
[00:10:35.100] people you look up to will be proven
[00:10:36.600] wrong and it's fine to look and go
[00:10:38.160] actually I used to believe this or I
[00:10:40.680] used to be in this camp and I've moved
[00:10:42.420] over to this one now so is that what
[00:10:44.519] happened but yourself and would you say
[00:10:46.200] maybe who it was yeah I mean it's it's
[00:10:49.019] actually very very recent okay
[00:10:52.860] um that so yeah as like a freshman but
[00:10:55.500] um
[00:10:56.220] and I know you I think you just had them
[00:10:58.560] on but uh I've I've come to question
[00:11:00.839] some of the stuff John Ramirez has said
[00:11:02.640] uh okay that's fair yeah
[00:11:05.760] um
[00:11:06.480] just uh
[00:11:08.220] yeah the thing with the alien doll where
[00:11:10.920] he was doing an interview
[00:11:12.480] um and then the Anjali stuff is a
[00:11:15.660] yeah it's
[00:11:17.399] that's a big one for people at the
[00:11:19.380] Anjali Association I know and after John
[00:11:22.500] was on and listen I've said John's a
[00:11:24.180] lovely guy to speak to and he's been
[00:11:25.800] very gracious with his time with me and
[00:11:27.779] I I brought that up with him on the show
[00:11:29.640] to say you know there's a lot of people
[00:11:31.500] that the Anjali stuff really turns off
[00:11:33.660] if the claims you make aren't incredible
[00:11:35.640] enough and it was fair on hitting it he
[00:11:37.560] went in there he didn't tell me not to
[00:11:38.880] ask and
[00:11:40.019] um hopefully I probed enough that people
[00:11:41.399] were happy with it but yeah I think
[00:11:43.680] that's still a massive disconnect for me
[00:11:45.360] with that relationship and Association
[00:11:48.060] yeah so that's that's fair comment yeah
[00:11:51.180] I mean it's not he's
[00:11:53.940] it probably has the most I'm sorry he
[00:11:56.640] probably has the most knowledge out of
[00:11:58.260] anyone I've ever heard talk about you
[00:12:00.660] know the CIA and the programs and and
[00:12:02.760] the you know the different departments
[00:12:05.220] and what they do and the and the sensors
[00:12:07.440] and stuff like that he he has um a
[00:12:10.740] really deep knowledge of that and that's
[00:12:13.040] obviously what made him seem credible in
[00:12:15.899] a lot of people's eyes and including my
[00:12:18.000] own and um but the recent stuff has just
[00:12:21.420] been like
[00:12:22.380] kind of yeah it's hard to it's hard to
[00:12:24.959] square that with um
[00:12:27.600] with the credibility that this topic
[00:12:30.060] really needs right now uh everyone's got
[00:12:32.339] a lane and I think that's fair and I've
[00:12:33.959] had it unless they're calling shows or
[00:12:35.880] with guests and I've got my own lines
[00:12:37.800] and they move now and again as well
[00:12:40.200] um I've said before I struggle with a
[00:12:41.940] lot of the orb conversations and people
[00:12:44.100] send me videos and stuff and I say it
[00:12:45.779] looks dust it looks like a bug it
[00:12:47.639] probably is you know but a tour of
[00:12:50.160] Mighty question that I've had my own
[00:12:51.480] sightings that have no proof of it's
[00:12:53.700] just testimony just my word against
[00:12:55.500] someone else's
[00:12:56.940] um a lot of respected names have made
[00:12:58.860] some huge claims recently
[00:13:00.660] um none more so than Gary Nolan at the
[00:13:02.760] salt conference just last week I think
[00:13:04.440] it was
[00:13:05.339] um where he said on stage among many
[00:13:07.200] claims he's 100 sure we're being visited
[00:13:10.260] by a non-human intelligence
[00:13:12.060] what goes through your mind when you
[00:13:13.860] hear a Gary Nolan Tom Delong you know in
[00:13:16.680] the sense that he is a world famous rock
[00:13:18.720] star multi-millionaire rock star and
[00:13:20.399] entrepreneur a Jim simmer fan you know
[00:13:22.500] with his credentials and background
[00:13:23.760] making some of the incredible claims
[00:13:25.740] they are or on big public stages and
[00:13:27.959] platforms
[00:13:29.339] yeah so that's um I mean that's kind of
[00:13:32.459] what a lot of my writing encompasses is
[00:13:35.519] these
[00:13:36.540] you know
[00:13:38.279] credible individuals
[00:13:40.380] um in my
[00:13:42.300] opinion so if that
[00:13:44.880] I can understand why people
[00:13:47.820] um are skeptical about the claims these
[00:13:50.339] people are making because they're
[00:13:51.420] they're huge um
[00:13:53.339] and you know as of right now
[00:13:56.639] you know there hasn't been you know
[00:13:59.160] definitive Definitive evidence of a lot
[00:14:01.920] of these claims basically and um
[00:14:05.279] but
[00:14:06.959] I mean it's
[00:14:09.120] you know for example Gary Nolan sang
[00:14:12.240] that at the salt conference that's a
[00:14:14.279] that's a pretty serious venue
[00:14:17.940] um you know especially
[00:14:20.579] for someone who has known
[00:14:23.040] um who's you know he's
[00:14:25.860] invested in in biotech companies and you
[00:14:28.560] know he he works in that in that Arena a
[00:14:32.100] lot he's yeah you know top 20 inventor
[00:14:34.260] at Stanford
[00:14:35.700] um which is no and that you know that's
[00:14:38.220] part of The credibility I think that
[00:14:41.040] lends him like he he knows what he's
[00:14:43.260] talking about he I don't think you would
[00:14:45.779] put that on the line
[00:14:47.880] um you know if if you wanted someone to
[00:14:51.000] invest with him in something important
[00:14:52.500] ever again why would you go on stage in
[00:14:54.540] New York City at this giant conference
[00:14:56.459] and say something that's just so untrue
[00:14:59.699] if it is untrue you know it's yeah has a
[00:15:02.760] lot to lose or has a lot to lose and
[00:15:04.680] like you say it has credentials his
[00:15:06.660] background the he doesn't need to go
[00:15:09.000] begging to the UFO Community for money
[00:15:10.980] you know he could write a book if he
[00:15:13.079] wanted to about UFOs and make some money
[00:15:15.180] but Gary Nolan has had a huge list of
[00:15:17.760] accomplishments behind him he's a
[00:15:19.620] serious guy he'll be well funded given
[00:15:21.540] his Immunology research and all that as
[00:15:23.279] well he doesn't need to sit on a stage
[00:15:25.079] like you say in a serious venue and talk
[00:15:26.940] about UFOs and aliens and avatars all
[00:15:30.120] that kind of stuff because
[00:15:31.800] you're going to get the side eye in
[00:15:33.540] those venues aren't you that what is
[00:15:35.040] this guy really saying what we think
[00:15:36.600] he's saying uh we're talking as that
[00:15:38.459] NASA conference is wrapping up obviously
[00:15:40.199] as well and they they sadly opened up
[00:15:42.899] the NASA conference mentioning the abuse
[00:15:45.300] that the panel had received and that
[00:15:48.360] wouldn't be from UFO Twitter I would
[00:15:50.160] imagine I think that's from your other
[00:15:51.540] academics and other scientists so like
[00:15:53.699] we saw with Avila Webb that time on the
[00:15:55.560] infamous Zoom call where one of his
[00:15:57.600] colleagues just I can't remember the
[00:15:59.399] woman's name she just kicked off at him
[00:16:01.079] really unhappy that he was entertaining
[00:16:03.300] the notion of UFOs and aliens and a few
[00:16:06.180] other people backed her up on this call
[00:16:07.680] and I imagine that's what happening to
[00:16:09.839] these panels as well so to make a
[00:16:11.699] long-winded point a Gary Nolan doesn't
[00:16:13.800] need that hassle he doesn't need to put
[00:16:15.540] himself out there but he he believes in
[00:16:17.699] this subject and if he was going to
[00:16:19.620] quote unquote grift I'm sure there are
[00:16:22.079] many other other Arenas Gary Nolan could
[00:16:24.660] have chose to have done that would have
[00:16:25.800] been a lot more fruitful than uf4 social
[00:16:28.620] media yeah and you know Skeptics about
[00:16:32.220] Occam's razor and when it comes to
[00:16:34.440] grifting like what makes the most sense
[00:16:37.160] like someone would just like throw their
[00:16:39.779] career in the trash or their credibility
[00:16:41.699] or um
[00:16:43.259] you know just for what just to talk
[00:16:46.320] about aliens on a stage in New York like
[00:16:48.899] it just doesn't make sense what makes
[00:16:51.120] sense is that there's something to this
[00:16:52.800] and um you know he's trying to
[00:16:56.339] tell people about it because he's been
[00:16:58.079] closer than anyone else has
[00:17:01.079] um and has the ability to actually
[00:17:03.240] understand uh
[00:17:04.980] you know what what's going on behind the
[00:17:06.900] scenes and try to communicate that so I
[00:17:10.199] don't know I mentioned Tom Delong and um
[00:17:13.199] you're very jealously uh received a
[00:17:15.959] retweet and endorsement from Master de
[00:17:18.360] long a while back and you have to eat a
[00:17:20.339] lot of his stuff though
[00:17:21.839] um I I think it's safe to say you're
[00:17:23.819] somewhat of a fan of TOMS and that maybe
[00:17:26.100] is music and but also as his work in the
[00:17:28.559] UFO field
[00:17:29.940] um I'm sure like many that are sometimes
[00:17:31.980] things he said are done we have went I
[00:17:34.260] don't know about that and and I'm going
[00:17:35.880] to ask about Atlantis stuff soon because
[00:17:37.320] I think that's some of his Wilder
[00:17:38.580] conversations but um what draws you to
[00:17:41.820] Tom Delong and his statements you know
[00:17:43.919] you mentioned the Lil Elizondo his
[00:17:45.299] credibility his background a Gary Nolan
[00:17:47.820] The credibility of the background and
[00:17:49.620] then you've got Tom Delong of what's My
[00:17:52.080] Age Again Fame yep
[00:17:54.539] um so Tom yeah let's do a full
[00:17:57.780] disclosure here he's like the reason I
[00:17:59.760] play guitar he is um he's always been
[00:18:03.299] you know a hero to me actually I I
[00:18:05.880] actually got to go backstage to a at a
[00:18:08.880] Blink 182 concert back when in eighth
[00:18:11.400] grade I think and uh I got to meet Mark
[00:18:14.580] but but not Tom unfortunately so
[00:18:17.760] um that was that was pretty cool so yeah
[00:18:20.400] I was definitely a blank fan I am
[00:18:23.400] you know
[00:18:24.960] I've always like loved his music and
[00:18:27.419] stuff and uh
[00:18:29.039] but I honestly I got super pissed off
[00:18:32.820] when he when he started doing this UFO
[00:18:34.799] stuff like like quip link and all that
[00:18:37.320] stuff so I was like I kind of like
[00:18:38.820] didn't
[00:18:39.780] care about him for a while you're you're
[00:18:42.840] kind of Dick Angels and Airwaves is okay
[00:18:44.520] but whatever
[00:18:45.660] um I actually enjoy them but uh and to
[00:18:47.940] be fair if you ever look at some of
[00:18:49.260] Tom's tweets 90 of the replies are or
[00:18:52.020] where like fun saying will you please
[00:18:54.120] get back with blink will you please get
[00:18:55.559] back with blink so as much as his UFO
[00:18:57.299] statements more wonderful for anyone on
[00:18:59.520] UFO social media 90 or more in the
[00:19:02.400] comments where angsty teenage fans or
[00:19:05.160] grown-up fans asking them to get back
[00:19:07.380] with blinking I've got that wish now so
[00:19:09.059] but yeah I can see why yeah and so that
[00:19:12.179] that's also you know and I was listening
[00:19:14.940] to to Lou for a while before I kind of
[00:19:17.400] even took Tom's um stuff into
[00:19:19.320] consideration it's not like a fanboy a
[00:19:21.539] Tom and then latched on to his every
[00:19:22.799] word it's like I kind of
[00:19:24.539] you know so from you know the more
[00:19:27.660] upfront credible government official
[00:19:30.120] like okay there's something to this and
[00:19:32.340] then I kind of dipped a little bit into
[00:19:34.260] what Tom was saying and then the whole
[00:19:36.840] story about him writing the first secret
[00:19:39.120] machines book and then you know
[00:19:42.059] basically the CIA kind of freaked out
[00:19:45.539] and being like who told him all this
[00:19:47.160] classified information I'm like okay
[00:19:48.840] that's there's something there his
[00:19:51.179] advisors you know knew enough to uh you
[00:19:55.080] know
[00:19:55.860] uh guide him in certain directions where
[00:19:58.500] it caught the attention of intelligence
[00:20:00.780] services so uh there's probably
[00:20:03.179] something to this and he probably has
[00:20:05.160] people talking to him that uh you know
[00:20:08.340] are
[00:20:09.780] are familiar with a lot of this stuff
[00:20:11.520] and and what's actually happening so
[00:20:14.220] that that that's kind of what gave him
[00:20:16.380] the credibility at first in my eyes was
[00:20:18.840] who he was around
[00:20:21.240] um
[00:20:22.140] and you know the reaction to his book
[00:20:26.100] and then obviously the biggest thing was
[00:20:29.039] the uh John podesta email leak yeah that
[00:20:32.580] was you know
[00:20:34.080] proven to be in communication with
[00:20:36.299] really high up government officials
[00:20:38.280] about this stuff and there was some sort
[00:20:40.740] of plan to get this information out and
[00:20:44.039] um you know obviously what's what's
[00:20:47.400] happened since then has been you know
[00:20:49.559] kind of a bummer but
[00:20:51.179] um those those emails were pretty clear
[00:20:53.880] about about what was happening behind
[00:20:55.980] the scenes with with Tom that was huge
[00:20:58.140] the paper trail that came out from the
[00:20:59.580] Wikileaks stuff and you know what to be
[00:21:01.440] fair uh nothing against it like you know
[00:21:03.720] John Greenwald too I'm a patreon of as
[00:21:05.460] I've said that before through
[00:21:06.480] transparency I like a lot of John's work
[00:21:08.340] don't always agree with them and I said
[00:21:10.020] that to him when I interviewed him but
[00:21:11.940] if that paper trail wasn't there
[00:21:14.940] there would be huge question marks over
[00:21:17.039] Tom delong's claims of who he was in
[00:21:19.440] touch with and that sort of quashed that
[00:21:21.539] instantly because you can't you can
[00:21:23.400] question a lot of Tom Delong and his
[00:21:24.780] motives and the statements and what he's
[00:21:26.820] done and how he's done it but you can't
[00:21:29.100] question that background because that's
[00:21:31.380] all they are for people to see and that
[00:21:33.360] that wasn't quite a good thing for Tom
[00:21:35.100] are there any particular statements to
[00:21:37.380] put you on the spot that Tom made that
[00:21:40.140] really stood out or stand out to you as
[00:21:42.620] wow or even like you mentioned elements
[00:21:45.179] of the secret machines book and again
[00:21:47.280] I'm still working my way through the
[00:21:48.720] audiobook of that um shamefully enough
[00:21:50.460] it's been about six months now
[00:21:53.100] um yeah it's uh no it's definitely a
[00:21:56.400] kind of a complicated book there's like
[00:21:59.280] 10 different characters and they all
[00:22:00.720] like intertwine and all that stuff but
[00:22:02.460] uh
[00:22:04.140] um
[00:22:06.600] I mean specifically I think
[00:22:10.200] this so the the first book is pretty
[00:22:12.360] nuts and bolts you know Craft
[00:22:15.240] um programs you know uh Breakaway
[00:22:18.000] civilization International conglomerates
[00:22:20.460] uh you know intelligence
[00:22:23.539] you know agents um assassinations that
[00:22:26.400] kind of thing but the second book is is
[00:22:28.860] a bit more uh
[00:22:30.299] you know out there
[00:22:32.880] um so that one's more hard to figure out
[00:22:36.780] um what
[00:22:38.340] what's real and what's not it's hard to
[00:22:40.559] pick apart
[00:22:41.940] um you know the things that
[00:22:45.179] that we might you know seem because a
[00:22:48.659] lot of it's weird uh definitely like it
[00:22:51.120] it goes into stuff that like Jacque
[00:22:53.520] Valley talks about
[00:22:55.940] where with some more like folklore type
[00:22:59.100] stuff
[00:23:00.000] um like fairy rings and pretty out there
[00:23:03.059] stuff um so I really do enjoy that it's
[00:23:05.880] harder to uh
[00:23:07.500] you know pieced together in in a
[00:23:10.380] comprehensive way like relating to you
[00:23:13.740] know the current UFO push and that kind
[00:23:15.960] of thing
[00:23:17.400] but I like entertaining those ideas and
[00:23:20.159] and again that's kind of what I do is I
[00:23:21.840] try to like figure out how is this
[00:23:23.940] applicable and it's not really
[00:23:25.080] applicable yet at least with what we
[00:23:26.640] know in the public sphere when it comes
[00:23:28.440] to um when it comes to UFOs but uh
[00:23:31.320] yeah I like that kind of stuff more um
[00:23:33.960] but as far as what Tom Tom says
[00:23:37.260] I think you know the concept of the
[00:23:40.980] Greek gods
[00:23:42.240] um
[00:23:43.620] being a major part of the phenomenon
[00:23:46.260] essentially it's the end of this of the
[00:23:48.179] first book which I guess I'm kind of
[00:23:50.159] spoiling for I was going to say yeah I
[00:23:52.799] kind of know some spoilery bits but yeah
[00:23:54.960] yeah well essentially it's you know the
[00:23:57.299] Greek gods like
[00:23:59.100] left and their equipment was left here
[00:24:03.120] and now we have it and we're trying to
[00:24:04.740] reverse engineer it and essentially it's
[00:24:07.080] very ancient alien e in that way yeah
[00:24:10.919] so that that's kind of um
[00:24:14.220] a very interesting thing you can you can
[00:24:17.340] dive into and make connections with uh
[00:24:19.980] do you think taking that that at face
[00:24:22.380] value then that the Greek gods as
[00:24:24.360] they're written and talked about in our
[00:24:26.460] society
[00:24:27.840] that that happened do you think Tom's
[00:24:29.880] taking something he's heard and put it
[00:24:31.320] out there or do you think there's a
[00:24:32.940] creative license used where Tom's here
[00:24:34.679] are being told something
[00:24:37.500] along those lines and he's basically
[00:24:40.740] made it like many say about the Bubbles
[00:24:43.440] our story there's a lot of Truth there
[00:24:45.299] but a lot of a lot of BS and if you're
[00:24:48.000] just tearing a flies in with the truth
[00:24:49.620] then you can get away with it do you
[00:24:51.179] think that's what Tom's done with the
[00:24:52.380] books whether deliberate or not
[00:24:55.320] um could be you know who knows um
[00:24:59.580] but I tend to think
[00:25:02.580] I tend to think there's something to it
[00:25:06.179] um
[00:25:07.559] you know but one of my one of my um
[00:25:11.460] uh articles I wrote
[00:25:13.620] it kind of asks like where where does
[00:25:16.500] mythology end in history begin yeah like
[00:25:19.320] why would they
[00:25:21.120] make all this stuff up just for you know
[00:25:25.100] stories to they're just stories you know
[00:25:28.260] that yeah to tell um to teach morals and
[00:25:31.500] stuff like that
[00:25:32.820] um which I guess is totally possible but
[00:25:35.460] uh why did they all of a sudden stop
[00:25:39.600] telling stories and start writing
[00:25:41.460] history as it as it was like it
[00:25:44.340] um
[00:25:45.179] I feel like and then you know they're
[00:25:46.919] fine they found Troy which was a myth
[00:25:49.260] forever so it's
[00:25:51.659] you know it it doesn't make sense to me
[00:25:54.059] why
[00:25:55.320] they would just be you know
[00:25:58.200] basing stories off nothing I guess I
[00:26:01.980] think some of Thomas and I love reading
[00:26:03.900] Tom stuff and one day we'll get them on
[00:26:05.520] the podcast but the Atlantis tweets
[00:26:08.039] always stood out to me when Tom done is
[00:26:10.020] I think it was seven tweets you know
[00:26:11.700] what if Atlantis was a you know real a
[00:26:14.820] real place it wasn't just a story and
[00:26:16.559] what if there was a civilization here
[00:26:18.539] before us and
[00:26:20.039] where do you go with that do you think
[00:26:21.900] again is that the line for you because
[00:26:24.539] obviously I'll try and work out where
[00:26:26.100] someone's line is you mentioned John
[00:26:27.960] Ramirez and Charlie and that's the point
[00:26:29.700] you kind of go not for me thanks do you
[00:26:32.700] buy into even that element of is that
[00:26:35.340] what you're talking about with lore in
[00:26:36.840] mythology that maybe this was real and
[00:26:39.659] the story just got lost or Twisted down
[00:26:41.460] the line
[00:26:42.360] yeah so I I definitely entertain that
[00:26:45.480] fact and it's a very
[00:26:47.580] almost uh dangerous
[00:26:51.779] um line there with
[00:26:53.820] you know the Nazis themselves were
[00:26:57.059] looking for this like evidence of this
[00:26:59.820] lore so it's it can get into really uh
[00:27:02.760] dark territory and um
[00:27:05.880] it's unfortunately tainted by uh you
[00:27:09.960] know that kind of thing with her
[00:27:11.400] intentions are obviously pretty evil
[00:27:14.279] yeah
[00:27:16.020] when it comes to that but
[00:27:18.120] you know
[00:27:19.980] it's uh I don't know I think
[00:27:23.640] I think there's something to it and um
[00:27:25.919] I'm I'm not gonna ever make any claims
[00:27:29.159] that where there's no evidence to back
[00:27:31.260] it up but I think it's it's definitely
[00:27:32.820] fun to speculate and talk about
[00:27:34.799] um but you know it's again there's
[00:27:38.340] there's no evidence except for you know
[00:27:41.460] pretty
[00:27:43.860] um yeah like the ancient alien kind of
[00:27:45.480] thing but I think I think Tom does it in
[00:27:48.600] a different way it's more uh
[00:27:51.480] from a well-informed place yeah it's I
[00:27:54.900] mean so think about it this way like
[00:27:56.880] that that second book right was
[00:28:00.720] um was released and Lou Elizondo was
[00:28:03.059] sitting at the table with him while he
[00:28:05.159] was signing copies copies of it so it's
[00:28:07.440] like
[00:28:08.279] obviously there's you know there's some
[00:28:11.400] sort of endorsement there uh from him in
[00:28:15.000] in some way it's just kind of you gotta
[00:28:17.220] look at it from like okay who is
[00:28:20.039] who is um
[00:28:22.320] saying what about this stuff like like I
[00:28:24.840] don't think Elizondo is ever directly
[00:28:26.640] contradicted Tom I could be wrong but um
[00:28:29.220] you know he said you know he's kind of a
[00:28:31.620] bull in a china shop type of thing but I
[00:28:34.320] don't think he's ever come out and said
[00:28:35.700] Tom was wrong on this you know I think
[00:28:38.159] Tom might just say it in a more
[00:28:40.460] uh you know Reckless way but uh that's
[00:28:44.279] kind of what he does so about a reckless
[00:28:46.320] abandon wonderful yeah there you go yeah
[00:28:51.480] um lesson a lot of questions came in and
[00:28:53.340] there's a lot of things I wanted to
[00:28:54.299] follow up on with you so JD on YouTube
[00:28:56.400] asked um one to talk about your personal
[00:28:58.740] experiences with the phenomenon and
[00:29:00.900] you've done that
[00:29:02.279] um JD I'm I think ghetto so I'm going to
[00:29:05.400] say she said you got a very informed
[00:29:07.140] mind what do you think the phenomenon is
[00:29:10.740] is that something even yet in your
[00:29:12.779] research you're thinking you're writing
[00:29:14.400] you've been able to put down in a few
[00:29:17.039] sentences or you know a statement what
[00:29:19.860] is the phenomenon
[00:29:21.419] yeah that's
[00:29:23.820] uh
[00:29:25.500] I have no idea
[00:29:27.720] um but
[00:29:29.399] you know I like I said the kind of um
[00:29:33.840] I think it's something that
[00:29:37.799] that we don't really we can't really
[00:29:39.419] understand right now
[00:29:41.100] um I think
[00:29:42.600] Jim Jim Sunny man says it a lot that we
[00:29:45.539] don't have the ontology to even talk
[00:29:48.299] about it
[00:29:49.500] um
[00:29:50.779] and I think
[00:29:53.640] another another way I
[00:29:56.580] like to think about it also is is How
[00:29:58.980] Gary Nolan kind of described it as you
[00:30:01.440] know were the ants out in the garden
[00:30:04.140] basically and like how do they
[00:30:06.480] communicate with us would they even want
[00:30:08.760] to yeah
[00:30:10.679] with a
[00:30:12.899] um you know create a little ant that
[00:30:16.020] that looks like us and try to
[00:30:18.720] communicate that way would they
[00:30:20.960] uh you know try to go through our
[00:30:24.539] sensory uh apparatus apparatuses or
[00:30:27.659] whatever and
[00:30:28.799] uh electromagnetically try to
[00:30:31.220] communicate something to us that way um
[00:30:34.260] but yeah I think it's I think it's so
[00:30:37.380] abstract from a human perspective
[00:30:39.899] but I think it's I think they are trying
[00:30:42.000] to interact with us in some way
[00:30:44.580] that
[00:30:46.140] let's just say I don't think it's E.T
[00:30:48.500] that's that's you know you can kind of
[00:30:51.840] filter things out based on what you know
[00:30:54.179] and that's kind of one of the things I'm
[00:30:56.340] leaning away from yeah I think of it
[00:30:59.580] more like everything on the table and
[00:31:01.440] you start pulling stuff off uh you know
[00:31:04.140] the more you learn that's that's kind of
[00:31:05.940] my my way of looking at it the first
[00:31:08.220] thing on that would you completely
[00:31:09.600] remove ET from the table all together in
[00:31:12.299] in the UFO topic do you think that's
[00:31:14.100] something that needs to be taken off or
[00:31:15.659] do you think there's an element of it uh
[00:31:18.000] no I don't think it needs to be taken
[00:31:20.100] off
[00:31:21.000] um I think it might be irrelevant
[00:31:23.820] okay so say you know
[00:31:28.020] uh say a life form evolved here
[00:31:32.820] became intelligent you know a billion
[00:31:35.760] years ago and then took off because of a
[00:31:38.940] cataclysm or something yeah we grew up
[00:31:41.159] like here as humans and now we are quote
[00:31:45.179] unquote top of the food chain and then
[00:31:47.100] they come back and they've been living
[00:31:48.539] on another planet this whole time is
[00:31:50.100] that E.T
[00:31:51.419] um so that that's kind of the
[00:31:53.940] it might not matter this uh this
[00:31:56.820] categorization we try to put on this
[00:31:59.039] stuff I think it I think it's probably
[00:32:00.899] more complicated than aliens or not you
[00:32:03.840] know I think you see that in your
[00:32:05.039] writing and your articles where it's you
[00:32:06.659] a lot of crypto terrestrial stuff and
[00:32:08.340] yeah yeah yeah that's a that's a fun one
[00:32:10.740] uh that's up there for me too um
[00:32:14.279] it's definitely interesting so well
[00:32:15.659] let's just talk about that now anyway
[00:32:16.919] what do you make of the the crypto angle
[00:32:19.020] and that's what you're talking about and
[00:32:20.159] for for you for anyone listening again
[00:32:21.840] people newer to the subject might be
[00:32:23.820] listening to this podcast for the first
[00:32:25.260] second third time and be introduced to
[00:32:27.360] you what is a crypto terrestrial
[00:32:30.840] um
[00:32:31.500] see that's the thing is with these
[00:32:33.120] definitions it could mean something
[00:32:35.340] different
[00:32:36.419] um what's your definition of it because
[00:32:38.100] that's that's a fair it is yeah it is uh
[00:32:41.100] I would say indigenous to the to Earth
[00:32:44.159] um is probably the main
[00:32:46.080] the main definition uh yeah it I
[00:32:50.700] actually broke down kind of the whole
[00:32:52.260] definition of crypto
[00:32:54.720] um and it basically means hidden and um
[00:32:57.360] a big a big piece of the lore is that
[00:33:00.840] they they live underground and you know
[00:33:03.659] have
[00:33:04.679] developed there I guess and kind of like
[00:33:07.020] a Subterranean civilization
[00:33:09.419] um
[00:33:10.020] and some people you know it kind of ties
[00:33:12.840] in with Cryptids like Bigfoot and yeah
[00:33:15.000] and that kind of thing
[00:33:16.380] um
[00:33:17.279] but what I think is most likely and this
[00:33:20.820] is where I this is a big one where I try
[00:33:23.279] to tie in the recent science with you
[00:33:25.980] know the kind of lore
[00:33:27.779] um is that you know we have these recent
[00:33:33.600] um
[00:33:34.799] these recent discoveries that they're
[00:33:37.740] making with hominins from you know
[00:33:42.179] hundreds of thousands of years ago and
[00:33:43.919] this I was going to ask you that yeah
[00:33:45.179] yeah so this this was kind of what got
[00:33:47.880] me really into the crypto thing was just
[00:33:51.779] um this species Homan laletti
[00:33:54.720] um was it was discovered I think back in
[00:33:57.840] the like back in like 20.
[00:34:01.140] 13 or something I'm probably totally
[00:34:03.120] wrong off the top of my head but um
[00:34:06.360] it was I think in December of 2022
[00:34:10.320] uh they finally got
[00:34:13.260] um down into the caves that they were
[00:34:15.540] Excavating for this um hominin species
[00:34:18.540] that they finally were able to you know
[00:34:21.960] enter these certain Caverns
[00:34:24.599] um in the at the archaeological site and
[00:34:27.899] they've found out that the species was
[00:34:30.980] harnessing fire
[00:34:33.839] um
[00:34:34.619] and essentially
[00:34:37.020] it was and it was a burial uh burial
[00:34:40.500] ground essentially and they were
[00:34:44.879] postulating that the species had
[00:34:47.339] symbolic thought
[00:34:48.899] um
[00:34:49.679] and like you know futorary uh customs
[00:34:53.159] and culture essentially uh so
[00:34:57.240] I was trying to like
[00:34:59.760] square that with like what Homo sapiens
[00:35:02.339] were doing around that time and the
[00:35:04.920] article stated that you know
[00:35:07.560] homo noleti was probably you know using
[00:35:11.880] fire alongside us yeah essentially
[00:35:15.839] before us so fire is you know harnessing
[00:35:19.320] fire is basically kind of a technology
[00:35:22.079] so if we had in a tied in with um kind
[00:35:27.300] of Graham Hancock's theory about you
[00:35:30.060] know an ancient civilization living next
[00:35:32.099] to a more primitive one
[00:35:34.680] um and that's kind of what what he bases
[00:35:37.260] this whole thing on where
[00:35:39.599] um you know all these ancient structures
[00:35:41.339] and stuff were built by a more advanced
[00:35:42.900] symbolization
[00:35:44.040] uh so I kind of took that and applied it
[00:35:46.500] to this and it kind of fit uh like the
[00:35:48.780] puzzle pieces so
[00:35:50.760] so from there I just I just kind of took
[00:35:53.460] it a little bit further in one of my
[00:35:54.900] articles and
[00:35:56.099] now they're actually I think in June
[00:35:58.440] they're they're releasing all their all
[00:36:00.660] their papers like peer-reviewed papers
[00:36:02.520] on them and Letty
[00:36:04.560] um and there's apparently some pretty
[00:36:06.599] wild discoveries uh that are going to be
[00:36:09.060] coming out and one of them
[00:36:12.119] um I don't I don't think a lot of people
[00:36:14.040] have seen this video but uh it's uh this
[00:36:16.980] Anthropologist John Hawks works with um
[00:36:20.520] Lee Burger is the main Anthropologist on
[00:36:23.099] it and then he's co-writing a book on
[00:36:25.500] homo noleti with John Hawks called uh
[00:36:27.839] Cave of Bones
[00:36:29.339] and John Hawks uh let in February gave
[00:36:33.480] this presentation
[00:36:35.460] uh it's it's pretty amazing
[00:36:37.800] um kind of previewing what they what
[00:36:39.540] they found and um they basically found
[00:36:42.900] evidence that homo noleti was using
[00:36:46.320] uh tools to dig deeper into this cave
[00:36:50.400] they were they were using fire to light
[00:36:52.800] their way and digging deeper into this
[00:36:54.720] cave you know using tools that they made
[00:36:57.960] so if you know you know if that's not
[00:37:01.560] kind of like the start of a book on
[00:37:03.839] crypto terrestrials I don't know what it
[00:37:05.820] is yeah yeah it's kind of um
[00:37:08.460] those kind of patterns are like hmm what
[00:37:11.400] is possible when you extrapolate it from
[00:37:14.040] from here
[00:37:15.660] um that that's kind of what where my
[00:37:17.880] thoughts go
[00:37:19.020] so for me I I can see that I can see
[00:37:22.260] that there was another civilization
[00:37:23.700] alongside us another type of human
[00:37:26.280] humanoid whatever you want to call it
[00:37:29.359] no that's all right get him involved but
[00:37:32.520] how or can you
[00:37:35.160] get from there where something else
[00:37:37.740] potentially left or some people would
[00:37:39.780] say it was still here whatever that may
[00:37:41.460] be to the idea then that there is this
[00:37:44.220] other which is manipulating us and using
[00:37:48.420] you know Thomas talk Tom delonge's
[00:37:50.160] talked about you know the power of love
[00:37:51.320] and being jealous of us having a soul
[00:37:54.599] is that not then another offshoot of the
[00:37:57.359] whole conversation where
[00:37:59.220] something else is involved in this or do
[00:38:01.680] you think that's related to these other
[00:38:03.660] civilizations that could have been
[00:38:05.160] around maybe just before us
[00:38:08.160] um it could be yeah so yeah this is
[00:38:11.220] where I you know and maybe um
[00:38:14.220] I'm kind of lazy for not committing to
[00:38:16.560] one thing but uh this is where it's like
[00:38:19.440] all options are on the table you know
[00:38:21.300] and and I or because
[00:38:24.060] you know if I'd run out of to write
[00:38:26.040] about but
[00:38:29.339] I only really write about stuff that I
[00:38:31.680] think is actually possible based on the
[00:38:33.960] stuff that um
[00:38:35.339] that I'm researching uh
[00:38:37.619] but they is that a line for you then
[00:38:40.140] that the idea of
[00:38:42.660] other entities being jealous of us
[00:38:44.640] having souls and Free Will and no no
[00:38:48.480] it's not actually I mean um that that I
[00:38:52.079] think that whole part of it is uh is
[00:38:54.540] kind of more AI based okay um where you
[00:38:58.920] know these
[00:39:00.180] and it's definitely a more spiritual
[00:39:02.040] thing so it's like the evidence
[00:39:04.260] uh idea of evidence kind of gets um
[00:39:07.920] tossed out the window with the soul
[00:39:10.079] thing I mean you know there's quantum
[00:39:12.060] mechanics and all that kind of stuff
[00:39:13.380] which I do try to research and connect
[00:39:15.300] to it but
[00:39:16.500] I can't really understand
[00:39:19.020] much of it because it's you know it's
[00:39:21.420] quantum mechanics
[00:39:23.339] um
[00:39:23.880] but that that part of it
[00:39:26.880] the um
[00:39:29.220] it would kind of make sense to me if if
[00:39:31.680] a soul was real and it incarnates over
[00:39:35.760] and over and then you have these um
[00:39:39.300] you know these nuts and bolts
[00:39:41.820] AI machines uh that
[00:39:45.480] you know basically fall apart over time
[00:39:49.320] um it would make sense that they might
[00:39:51.420] be trying to figure out how to
[00:39:54.359] you know
[00:39:55.680] take what we have and apply it to their
[00:39:57.540] own physical bodies I guess I don't know
[00:39:59.900] obviously that's
[00:40:02.400] totally out there but uh
[00:40:04.560] I don't know we'll get to that a little
[00:40:06.300] bit more in a second with another
[00:40:07.440] question but um talking about that
[00:40:09.300] parasitic beings angle uh less not on
[00:40:12.240] YouTube Uber asked is that something you
[00:40:14.579] would plan on researching the whole idea
[00:40:16.200] of parasitic beings and manipulation of
[00:40:18.839] and others or is that still is that hard
[00:40:22.140] to quantify for you in terms of here's
[00:40:25.079] the evidence of it
[00:40:27.359] no because uh you know there are
[00:40:30.780] parasites they exist
[00:40:32.460] um on our planet it
[00:40:34.200] it uh
[00:40:36.119] there are articles you know essentially
[00:40:39.359] saying that these
[00:40:41.460] like it's just it's as simple as hey
[00:40:44.640] rabies exist and it can make you angry
[00:40:47.160] it can make you aggressive so there is a
[00:40:50.160] parasite or um you know a virus that can
[00:40:52.800] make change your behavior yeah like that
[00:40:54.900] exists so
[00:40:56.760] you know
[00:40:57.839] is it is there one that is perhaps
[00:41:00.300] conscious like what is consciousness and
[00:41:02.460] then it that it's that kind of you know
[00:41:04.200] thought uh
[00:41:06.540] uh
[00:41:07.940] extrapolation I guess where it's you
[00:41:10.560] just keep asking questions based on the
[00:41:12.480] question before it and um
[00:41:14.579] maybe it takes you somewhere maybe it
[00:41:16.260] doesn't but that's that's kind of really
[00:41:17.760] how you build build the house or
[00:41:20.220] whatever
[00:41:21.140] so you mentioned before about the the
[00:41:23.760] beings potentially and I'm going to talk
[00:41:25.980] about great aliens question from Newman
[00:41:27.839] who always sends a night some really
[00:41:29.400] good thought-provoking questions he asks
[00:41:31.859] what are close the closest thoughts on
[00:41:34.320] the reason behind the neo-human
[00:41:36.420] appearance of the great aliens and he
[00:41:38.760] adds specifically what do you think of
[00:41:40.859] Dr Michael Masters future time traveling
[00:41:43.200] human hypothesis versus Richard Dolan's
[00:41:46.140] speculation and alien agendas that
[00:41:48.380] instead and abducted ancient human group
[00:41:51.540] was evolved by non-humanoids as
[00:41:53.400] intermediaries to conduct what on Earth
[00:41:55.740] versus the crypto terrestrial hypothesis
[00:41:58.500] I hope I've read that in a way that it
[00:42:00.240] makes sense yeah I'm not
[00:42:03.060] too familiar with Dolan's I do know I
[00:42:06.420] did read Michael Masters
[00:42:08.339] identify what's it identified flying
[00:42:11.520] objects yes
[00:42:13.260] um yeah and that that really made sense
[00:42:16.500] to me and he's a smart guy he I think he
[00:42:19.020] got that book peer reviewed if I'm not
[00:42:20.940] mistaken um which is pretty cool
[00:42:23.540] something like that uh
[00:42:26.640] but I think yeah that makes sense to me
[00:42:29.220] if again if you extrapolate what we look
[00:42:31.560] like at this point
[00:42:33.599] um and
[00:42:35.040] you know you go based off the cases that
[00:42:38.099] you know in the descriptions from those
[00:42:40.079] it would make sense that it could be
[00:42:42.480] future human that and they would look
[00:42:45.540] like you know what we would look like if
[00:42:48.780] we uh you know evolved in that way from
[00:42:51.240] now so that does make sense to me
[00:42:54.720] um
[00:42:55.740] I think when it comes to Gray's the
[00:43:00.240] the kind of the Gary Nolan hypothesis
[00:43:03.599] makes the most sense to me that they're
[00:43:06.599] trying to meet us where we are they're
[00:43:10.440] trying to construct something that looks
[00:43:13.560] enough like us to wear
[00:43:17.099] they uh it doesn't freak us out but but
[00:43:20.339] just different enough to where uh we
[00:43:23.040] know they're different
[00:43:24.300] uh then let's create and as he mentioned
[00:43:26.579] avatars didn't he something else sending
[00:43:28.500] avatars that and your your ideas that
[00:43:31.079] you think are give it ahead give it two
[00:43:33.300] arms two hands two legs two feet a body
[00:43:35.579] they'll get the rough idea that we're
[00:43:37.500] you know that's that's what they look
[00:43:39.060] like to us so right they're trying to
[00:43:40.920] communicate that that they understand
[00:43:43.579] what we look like
[00:43:46.440] um and like what what kind of you know
[00:43:49.319] physical
[00:43:50.940] um being we would interact with like
[00:43:53.940] another human kind of thing so and uh
[00:43:57.119] and it's he also says that it's almost
[00:44:00.300] like a an intelligence test to see if we
[00:44:03.000] can recognize these beings for what they
[00:44:05.220] are and recognize this intelligence for
[00:44:08.460] what it's trying to communicate to us
[00:44:10.740] um I think I think it would make sense
[00:44:13.079] that the the gray alien would represent
[00:44:15.300] that well I've got um Dr Michael Masters
[00:44:18.480] and Richard Dolan both on the podcast uh
[00:44:21.420] later on this month so for anyone who's
[00:44:23.099] got any questions for both uh Michael
[00:44:25.500] Masters has been on before he's coming
[00:44:27.119] back on to discuss his new book which is
[00:44:29.280] very different from his first but um
[00:44:31.140] pretty interesting I've only managed to
[00:44:32.520] skim it so far but I've got time to read
[00:44:34.560] it before the interview and then finally
[00:44:36.480] a lot of a lot of cases in it I think
[00:44:39.060] it's a pretty thorough case study I
[00:44:41.160] think that's the difference
[00:44:43.700] yeah his new one yeah his new ones at
[00:44:46.380] it's a
[00:44:51.680] written like a script so it's the people
[00:44:54.300] talking to each other and it's using
[00:44:56.099] yeah using stories to tell what the idea
[00:44:59.339] is that's all they are and if people
[00:45:00.480] read The Blob I'm bastardizing it by
[00:45:02.160] doing that but yeah I always pass
[00:45:04.560] through that stuff when I try to talk
[00:45:05.760] about it yeah it's awful that's why I
[00:45:07.500] write so I I have everything don't put
[00:45:09.720] me on this spot that's my job on this
[00:45:11.220] year and retro Dolan finally is coming
[00:45:13.560] on the podcast as well but that's
[00:45:14.940] arranged for later on in the month so
[00:45:16.319] I'm looking forward to finally uh
[00:45:18.060] speaking to Richard
[00:45:19.319] um Newman also asked what is close
[00:45:21.119] opinion on the ET influence during World
[00:45:24.119] War II and he adds Linda Bolton Howe
[00:45:26.640] claimed during one of our Earth files
[00:45:28.260] episodes that World War II is one of the
[00:45:30.060] first 80 instigated Wars on planet Earth
[00:45:32.640] see this is where my line starts to blur
[00:45:35.880] um this is both hilariously absurd but
[00:45:37.680] also scary to think of effectively
[00:45:39.720] suggesting that certain odd obsessions
[00:45:41.520] of the national socialists
[00:45:43.740] um like the natural racial traits Etc
[00:45:45.780] came from their leadership having
[00:45:47.400] received received a visit from the tall
[00:45:49.619] whites
[00:45:51.180] obviously feel free to answer the
[00:45:52.800] question but again for me that's when a
[00:45:54.480] line starts to blur between yeah what
[00:45:56.880] really goes on and ah that sounds a bit
[00:45:58.859] fanciful
[00:46:00.720] um
[00:46:01.740] yeah that's that's tough
[00:46:04.560] uh
[00:46:05.940] so
[00:46:10.200] I guess I don't know if you know that
[00:46:12.180] like that attack the uh the Mussolini
[00:46:15.060] um
[00:46:16.740] crash I guess from from 1933
[00:46:20.520] which was uh the fascist UFO files I
[00:46:23.339] guess they called it right yeah it's
[00:46:25.500] written by or not written by but it was
[00:46:27.960] researched by uh I think it's
[00:46:31.339] Roberto panati he's a icer guy
[00:46:35.579] um yes yep yeah I think he wrote it for
[00:46:37.859] John greenwald's website actually
[00:46:40.560] um but essentially and I think Chris
[00:46:42.780] sharp touched on it too but yet do you
[00:46:45.000] know what I had reached out to the
[00:46:46.020] battle I think through Philip mantle to
[00:46:48.240] potentially come on the podcast at some
[00:46:50.040] point because he'd written on the
[00:46:51.300] Italian yes that's what I know it from
[00:46:52.680] is there I think he's got a case book on
[00:46:54.599] Italian UFO yesterday so yeah yeah it's
[00:46:57.240] a really interesting case and I think if
[00:46:59.220] you're um if you're really going to dive
[00:47:01.440] into that that's kind of where you have
[00:47:03.300] to start is in 1933 apparently there's
[00:47:06.900] some uh
[00:47:08.160] cables or
[00:47:10.079] um telegraphs between
[00:47:12.540] um Mussolini's cabinet
[00:47:14.940] um and about about a crash saucer so
[00:47:18.960] that's kind of where
[00:47:20.940] like a lot of people say it starts
[00:47:23.339] rather than like Roswell or um you know
[00:47:26.040] Trinity I was I was dreading you're
[00:47:28.619] saying Trinity because I can't address
[00:47:30.000] that one yet after the the recent DD
[00:47:32.339] Johnson articles yeah that's a tough one
[00:47:35.700] right now
[00:47:36.720] um I'm kind of up in the air about that
[00:47:38.760] but uh
[00:47:40.200] I think
[00:47:48.380] yeah I don't know it's a tough one but
[00:47:51.900] um
[00:47:53.040] yeah as far as as far as the war goes
[00:47:55.619] it's
[00:47:57.000] it's
[00:47:58.500] you know it's covered in secret machines
[00:48:00.240] pretty pretty thoroughly
[00:48:02.640] um like the whole operation paper clip
[00:48:04.980] thing is was very real uh
[00:48:08.280] obviously I mean now it's being admitted
[00:48:10.859] to but um
[00:48:12.540] it was I think it's a huge part of the
[00:48:16.140] cover-up and our
[00:48:18.359] current you know
[00:48:20.160] our Aerospace programs were basically
[00:48:22.319] infested with fashionist ideology and
[00:48:25.220] and uh it's really uncomfortable to talk
[00:48:27.960] about a lot operation paper clip and you
[00:48:30.780] know all that yeah yeah
[00:48:33.000] um which is why I'm glad Tom did it in
[00:48:34.980] in the way he did in a fictional way
[00:48:37.560] um
[00:48:38.220] and I I like that uh if you've never
[00:48:42.300] read um the hunt for zero point uh it's
[00:48:45.480] a really good book Nick cook dives into
[00:48:47.579] a lot of the nitty-gritty of that too
[00:48:49.260] and it's actually funny because
[00:48:51.480] I'm pretty sure Tom took the um
[00:48:54.900] the henge structure that Nick cook
[00:48:57.000] visits and and hum for zero point um
[00:48:59.640] there's a hidden structure which
[00:49:01.619] he kind of insinuates is connected to
[00:49:04.200] the Nazi Bell anti-gravity Craft
[00:49:06.660] um and essentially I think Tom took that
[00:49:09.300] that hand structure and that the Mind
[00:49:11.520] setting from you know that Nick cook uh
[00:49:14.940] described it on for zero point and just
[00:49:16.920] put it into secret machines uh it's
[00:49:19.680] described exactly the same way it's it's
[00:49:21.480] pretty cool
[00:49:22.859] um
[00:49:24.440] with Dave Smith asked a lot of questions
[00:49:27.060] and Dave I'm going to keep some of these
[00:49:28.500] for uh hopefully clouds coming back on
[00:49:30.180] in the very very near future to do a
[00:49:32.339] follow-up because I have a ton of stuff
[00:49:33.780] still to get through
[00:49:35.460] um but Dave asks him what does Klaus
[00:49:38.220] think of the idea of a regular cataclysm
[00:49:40.680] cycle on Earth if yes do you think the
[00:49:43.380] government knows do you think so the
[00:49:45.300] occupants of the UAP know you maybe
[00:49:46.859] touched on that a little bit before when
[00:49:48.359] you mentioned a civilization getting
[00:49:50.160] away because of a cataclysm and are they
[00:49:52.740] collaborating to save us and would this
[00:49:54.720] explain the UFO secrecy
[00:49:57.380] uh yeah so that's that's a really
[00:50:00.420] interesting subject as a the circular
[00:50:02.940] cyclical
[00:50:05.339] um cataclysm thing
[00:50:07.800] uh
[00:50:09.180] that kind of ties in with time and what
[00:50:11.880] is time is it linear is it a circular or
[00:50:15.240] cyclical or whatever but um
[00:50:18.240] I think it's definitely
[00:50:20.400] a possibility
[00:50:22.319] um there's
[00:50:24.480] you know it's like this is all
[00:50:26.940] speculation obviously and it and it's
[00:50:29.460] tough when you're not a scientist to
[00:50:30.960] kind of hammer this stuff down in a way
[00:50:32.640] that like people would dig seriously
[00:50:35.160] um I mean I'm not on anything in here
[00:50:38.060] you know yeah me too
[00:50:41.099] um
[00:50:41.940] but
[00:50:43.500] I think it's definitely an interesting
[00:50:45.359] Theory I think
[00:50:47.099] it's been talked about a lot by um you
[00:50:51.180] know Tom has said uh you know
[00:50:53.160] civilizations kind of Rise and Fall
[00:50:55.079] potentially in Cycles
[00:50:56.940] um
[00:50:57.780] you know maybe this is all just
[00:51:01.140] a test or you know some sort of
[00:51:03.599] experiment that starts over every
[00:51:05.339] however many 10 12 000 years
[00:51:08.880] and
[00:51:10.500] you know maybe someone figured that out
[00:51:13.020] and figured out how to get off in time
[00:51:15.780] you know and chilled out somewhere else
[00:51:18.599] while it went down and now they're
[00:51:20.220] coming back or something like that I
[00:51:22.380] don't see so wait a second so you're
[00:51:24.780] saying that someone else the previous
[00:51:26.940] civilization could have potentially
[00:51:29.280] figured out that there was a cycle of
[00:51:31.200] cataclysms and let's let's get off
[00:51:33.420] before the planet blows up this time or
[00:51:35.040] the ACH happens with that then suggests
[00:51:37.619] that there was something else causing
[00:51:39.059] the cataclysms
[00:51:41.059] those occurred naturally yeah it could
[00:51:43.920] occur naturally
[00:51:45.300] um again I'll quote time he says it all
[00:51:47.040] the time uh he says it has to come out
[00:51:50.220] because it's nature and I I kind of
[00:51:53.280] connect that to uh perhaps cataclysms of
[00:51:56.880] some kind if it's if it's just naturally
[00:51:59.640] happening
[00:52:01.020] um say like planet nine or whatever uh
[00:52:05.099] you know comes around every once
[00:52:06.960] 12 000 years or so and rips off the you
[00:52:10.380] know uh magnetic Earth's magnetic field
[00:52:13.559] and you know everything gets completely
[00:52:15.780] screwed up and you know everything
[00:52:17.460] starts over
[00:52:18.900] um what can we do about that that's just
[00:52:21.180] nature you know it's uh
[00:52:24.660] but yeah that's that's kind of what I
[00:52:27.119] was thinking that maybe you know an
[00:52:29.819] older civilization figure figure it out
[00:52:33.480] when that planet was coming or when
[00:52:35.160] whatever happens happened and um
[00:52:38.640] got off and you know you're like come
[00:52:42.240] back basically that kind of ties in with
[00:52:44.280] the Greek God thing that Tom says that
[00:52:47.099] that you know they left after or left
[00:52:50.400] before a cataclysm and hung out in an at
[00:52:53.040] an outpost in the solar system um so
[00:52:55.980] that kind of jibes with what he says too
[00:52:57.780] so
[00:53:01.339] well I mean someone hopefully knows but
[00:53:04.079] yeah it's funny to talk about
[00:53:06.420] um I want to hopefully make this not
[00:53:09.119] your last appearance and like get you
[00:53:10.500] back on soon to dive into more specific
[00:53:12.720] areas in a bit more detail so to start
[00:53:14.460] wrapping up what what right now is
[00:53:17.579] happening that's got your your most
[00:53:19.200] interest so like literally today as
[00:53:20.819] we're speaking the NASA conference is
[00:53:22.319] wrapping up
[00:53:23.400] um which is actually seemed I don't know
[00:53:24.960] if you caught any of it but from what I
[00:53:26.579] managed to see it was a lot more
[00:53:28.020] positive than I expected it to be
[00:53:31.619] um
[00:53:32.579] and that seems to be a lot of the
[00:53:34.559] consensus from a quick look on the
[00:53:36.480] socials as well that people are going ah
[00:53:38.819] okay that's that's might actually have
[00:53:41.400] something to it it might have legs
[00:53:43.680] um you've got your Gary Nolans talking
[00:53:46.020] about you know
[00:53:47.579] stuff to come whistleblowers down the
[00:53:49.740] line
[00:53:50.460] um or Witnesses Stephen Greer Stephen
[00:53:53.220] Bassett said God forbid I called the
[00:53:54.780] whistleblowers he wasn't happy with that
[00:53:56.640] one
[00:53:57.660] um yeah yeah what's um what what's on
[00:54:01.140] the horizon for you that you're most
[00:54:03.900] looking forward to as such hopefully not
[00:54:06.240] a cataclysm all right uh I don't you
[00:54:09.720] know there's a lot of chatter about the
[00:54:11.280] summer so
[00:54:12.900] whatever that is I guess
[00:54:15.000] um
[00:54:15.900] yeah that's the I guess whistleblowers
[00:54:19.140] are the main um rumor uh
[00:54:22.859] but yeah what do you see what do you see
[00:54:25.440] and I asked Dan this last week on the
[00:54:27.240] breakdown show
[00:54:28.640] realistically
[00:54:30.540] what is what is the best case scenario
[00:54:32.760] then for you coming out of the Summer
[00:54:34.140] where do you think we realistically
[00:54:36.240] could be
[00:54:39.540] um
[00:54:41.099] there would probably have to be someone
[00:54:43.859] on the record who
[00:54:46.079] you know had had proof that they worked
[00:54:48.839] on one of these programs this this crash
[00:54:51.059] retrieval programs
[00:54:52.559] um
[00:54:53.460] that would be cool
[00:54:55.680] um another
[00:54:57.960] interesting thing I think people should
[00:55:00.720] look out for was actually what Gary
[00:55:03.240] Nolan announced at that salt conference
[00:55:05.520] which was a 501c3 I think it's called
[00:55:09.780] um you know an organization where he's
[00:55:12.780] going to try to actually you know get
[00:55:15.960] donations and you know fund uh like
[00:55:19.800] write grants and and fund some actual
[00:55:22.319] research on this stuff
[00:55:23.880] um
[00:55:24.720] you know and he's talked in the past
[00:55:26.880] about
[00:55:27.839] writing papers on more out there stuff
[00:55:30.420] like remote viewing and that kind of
[00:55:31.920] thing and so to actually kind of get
[00:55:33.720] funding for
[00:55:35.280] you know some more uh
[00:55:37.079] out there stuff that would be really
[00:55:39.059] cool to see start take shape
[00:55:41.940] um
[00:55:42.680] and
[00:55:44.460] yeah just this NASA thing was you know
[00:55:47.700] huge just symbolically and just for
[00:55:50.640] Academia in general just taking it
[00:55:53.099] seriously
[00:55:54.839] um I you know the content I have
[00:55:58.380] problems with but you know they're
[00:56:00.960] they're wondering why there's stigma
[00:56:03.420] when it's been 80 years of this you
[00:56:06.300] know yeah you're the public face of this
[00:56:08.640] like you should know but that's what I
[00:56:11.339] think is um really important though for
[00:56:13.559] the UFO Community is that you know these
[00:56:16.380] people they really like they're like we
[00:56:18.540] want to start from Ground Zero um and
[00:56:20.760] then they spend 30 minutes asking
[00:56:23.040] where Ground Zero is so you know it's
[00:56:26.160] kind of like
[00:56:27.240] you you need help you need direction
[00:56:29.040] from people who've been studying this
[00:56:30.720] for a while
[00:56:31.680] um and I've only been doing it for you
[00:56:34.079] know not that long compared to a lot of
[00:56:36.180] other people in the community so
[00:56:38.579] um
[00:56:39.540] there's only so much they can do on
[00:56:43.440] their own without you know being
[00:56:45.900] being told where to look essentially
[00:56:49.020] um but yeah there's a lot of talk about
[00:56:51.359] like needle in the haystack and we don't
[00:56:53.400] even know what the needle looks like or
[00:56:55.859] you know that kind of thing it's like
[00:56:57.540] okay so ask someone who might be able to
[00:57:00.180] help basically
[00:57:01.980] um but yeah I know that NASA thing is is
[00:57:04.260] cool and I guess they said they're gonna
[00:57:06.180] have a report out by the end of July so
[00:57:08.819] I have that to look forward to too well
[00:57:11.460] you find the needle in a haystack but
[00:57:13.440] you can find your articles on substack
[00:57:15.300] yeah there you go yeah there we go
[00:57:18.359] um yeah I'm good at that
[00:57:19.859] um that's the only thing I'm good at but
[00:57:21.480] for for listeners how can they find you
[00:57:23.819] because one you've just got a podcast
[00:57:25.319] out which is good timing because uh you
[00:57:27.599] never had that in 31st of March remember
[00:57:29.640] going to do this and also you've got the
[00:57:31.740] Articles as well which I'm subscribed to
[00:57:33.420] and if you've got any interest in
[00:57:34.740] reading about this subject and just some
[00:57:36.960] of the ideas that I've literally only
[00:57:38.579] touched on with Klaus I plan to go
[00:57:40.319] deeper on a few things down the line
[00:57:42.839] um but how can people follow your work
[00:57:44.460] how can they listen to your work how can
[00:57:46.020] the video work yeah you can um follow me
[00:57:48.839] on Twitter at tiny Klaus
[00:57:51.000] t-i-n-y-k-l-a-u-s
[00:57:54.960] um
[00:57:55.980] yeah I'll tell you the origin of that
[00:57:58.020] name next time and then uh yeah
[00:58:01.700] tinyclus.com is my sub stack I got a
[00:58:04.800] custom domain so I just yeah redirects
[00:58:07.920] there
[00:58:08.579] um
[00:58:09.440] and yeah and I'm I'm doing a kind of
[00:58:12.720] podcast thing I guess I'm I'm just
[00:58:14.579] throwing it out there right now and
[00:58:15.780] seeing what the interest level is and
[00:58:17.579] you know seeing if I can uh see if I can
[00:58:20.579] handle it first of all a full-time job
[00:58:23.460] and writing all this stuff but uh yeah
[00:58:25.680] that's um it's called patterns tell
[00:58:27.599] stories and it's on Apple podcast
[00:58:29.579] Spotify
[00:58:31.319] um it's just a yeah small project right
[00:58:33.660] now but we'll see what happens I guess
[00:58:36.180] yeah the last thing you mentioned you've
[00:58:38.339] not been doing this in the grand scheme
[00:58:39.900] of things for too long so we can
[00:58:41.640] consider you new blood the new voice a
[00:58:43.799] new face in the topic much as myself or
[00:58:46.980] our Dan Chris sharp and sorry I didn't
[00:58:49.980] leave out so many others of any Adams
[00:58:51.660] and Graham Randall have been in this
[00:58:53.760] subject in recent years
[00:58:55.799] um and there's so many more people
[00:58:57.059] within that as well that there are
[00:58:59.520] people that have done this for decades
[00:59:01.079] and decades and decades and have laid so
[00:59:02.760] much groundwork and people need to carry
[00:59:04.500] on that work in whatever way the
[00:59:05.819] conversation goes so your contributions
[00:59:08.040] have been massive so far for someone
[00:59:09.599] like myself and I know many others so
[00:59:11.339] thank you for doing the work you do uh
[00:59:13.680] it's good it's appreciated and it leaves
[00:59:16.260] Food For Thought which I really enjoy in
[00:59:17.880] this topic and you can read it and go I
[00:59:20.280] like that I agree with it I don't agree
[00:59:22.260] with that but it makes you think and
[00:59:24.180] that's that's always necessary and you
[00:59:25.680] don't you don't force those views or
[00:59:27.420] opinions on other people that this is
[00:59:28.980] definitely right and this is why it's
[00:59:30.420] just here's something I thought here's
[00:59:32.400] what I've researched here's what I'm
[00:59:33.599] putting out there and go make up your
[00:59:35.460] own mind so I think that's a really good
[00:59:37.380] Way Forward yeah I don't think there's
[00:59:39.540] really any other way to do it and I have
[00:59:41.700] a hard time when people say definitively
[00:59:43.680] this is what it is it's like how do you
[00:59:45.420] how do you know that you don't know that
[00:59:47.420] my next podcast is um how close is wrong
[00:59:50.220] uh
[00:59:51.380] that's going to drop in a five part or
[00:59:53.520] next week
[00:59:54.559] yeah yeah it's an honor to be on here uh
[00:59:57.780] you were the first first guy I listened
[00:59:59.760] to um in the podcast world when I came
[01:00:02.040] to this subject God to help you
[01:00:04.520] actually start the bar low and work
[01:00:06.900] going up that's probably a good idea so
[01:00:08.460] yeah but no it's been good having you on
[01:00:10.380] and sorry it's taking so long a lot of
[01:00:12.059] people have asked me about this several
[01:00:13.500] times about when is close coming on
[01:00:15.480] Wednesday coming on but it's done it's
[01:00:17.579] here and hopefully this is just part one
[01:00:19.680] of of several more at least to come so
[01:00:21.720] yeah go check out his work and thanks
[01:00:23.400] for joining us close that is all for
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