AJ Gentile - Inside the Biggest Conspiracies in the World | SRS #229

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ssnYfhkt8
• Relevant passage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ssnYfhkt8&t=6416s
• Channel: Shawn Ryan Show
• Publication date: 2025-08-21
• Speakers: AJ Gentile and Shawn Ryan
• Related analysis: ../../topics/the-whistleblowers
• Extraction: YouTube captions via /code/scripts/youtube_transcript.py --timestamps
• Sourced: 2026-08-04

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[00:00:05.279] AJ Gentile, welcome to the show.
[00:00:07.680] >> Good to be here.
[00:00:08.480] >> It's good to have you.
[00:00:09.599] >> This is exciting for me. I'm a fan.
[00:00:12.000] >> Well, this is exciting for me cuz I'm a
[00:00:13.920] fan. In fact, I was telling you at
[00:00:16.080] breakfast, you are the only YouTube
[00:00:19.199] channel that I watch on a consistent
[00:00:21.760] basis cuz I don't want to hear all the
[00:00:23.439] noise and stuff. I kind of live in it.
[00:00:25.840] And man, you just have a great
[00:00:27.920] presentation, great topics. It just
[00:00:31.199] sucks you in. So, you are what me and my
[00:00:34.320] wife watch just about every night when
[00:00:36.960] we climb into bed. And uh so to meet you
[00:00:39.920] is pretty surreal. Thank you for coming.
[00:00:42.000] >> At breakfast and I said that I said uh I
[00:00:44.960] don't believe you, but it's very sweet
[00:00:46.640] and I'll say it again, but it's very
[00:00:48.559] nice of you to say.
[00:00:50.160] >> Well, it's real. It's real.
[00:00:52.719] But um yeah, so I want to I want to talk
[00:00:55.280] about a couple of couple of the videos
[00:00:57.840] that I've seen on your platform in
[00:01:00.719] particular and I want to talk about why
[00:01:03.760] you got into it and where you came from
[00:01:05.760] and and and uh I think it'll be an
[00:01:08.479] awesome interview. So, but um everybody
[00:01:13.119] starts off with an introduction here.
[00:01:14.960] So, AJ Gentile, the creative force
[00:01:18.560] behind the the hit YouTube channel, The
[00:01:20.720] Y Files, where you dive into mysteries,
[00:01:22.799] myths, and conspiracies with millions of
[00:01:25.439] subscribers. A talented voice actor,
[00:01:28.320] producer, and writer known for your
[00:01:30.400] captivating narration and the hilarious
[00:01:33.200] commentary from your animated sidekick,
[00:01:36.079] The Hecklefish.
[00:01:38.320] A Mensa member with a sharp skeptical
[00:01:40.560] mind, always presenting intriguing
[00:01:42.560] stories before breaking down the facts
[00:01:44.720] and scientific explanations. You hook me
[00:01:47.520] every single time. A dedicated truth
[00:01:50.240] seeker who started the Y Files in 2020,
[00:01:53.200] blending entertainment with education to
[00:01:55.439] help audiences question the unknown
[00:01:58.000] while grounding it in reality. And you
[00:02:01.040] do a perfect job of it. So, couple
[00:02:04.719] things to get through here before we
[00:02:07.360] actually kick the interview off.
[00:02:09.280] Everybody gets a gift.
[00:02:11.280] >> Really?
[00:02:11.680] >> Any guesses?
[00:02:13.200] >> I mean, you already let me shoot the
[00:02:14.640] Winchester. That was a great gift.
[00:02:16.400] >> It was a good gift, right?
[00:02:17.680] >> Yes, sir.
[00:02:18.400] >> You going to get one?
[00:02:19.280] >> Yes. Immediately.
[00:02:20.560] >> What' you think of that Sig?
[00:02:22.239] >> I loved it. The The optic was amazing.
[00:02:25.360] >> You going to get one of those, too?
[00:02:27.120] >> I I don't know what that is. You know,
[00:02:28.720] I'd like guns, but I'm not a
[00:02:30.480] >> Well, I got a buddy over at SIG. His
[00:02:32.319] name's Jason and we talk about your show
[00:02:35.680] all the time.
[00:02:37.120] >> Wait.
[00:02:37.440] >> And uh so he gave me this. He wanted me
[00:02:40.720] to give it to you.
[00:02:42.000] >> What?
[00:02:42.560] >> So that's what you were shooting out
[00:02:44.000] there before the interview. That's the
[00:02:46.239] Sig P211
[00:02:48.319] GTO.
[00:02:49.760] >> Wow.
[00:02:50.800] >> Yeah. Yeah,
[00:02:51.840] >> dude. No.
[00:02:53.120] >> 21 rounds in the mag plus one in the
[00:02:55.440] pipe.
[00:02:56.720] >> That is incredible.
[00:02:57.920] >> Yeah. Yeah. So what' you think of that
[00:03:00.160] thing? Did you like it? Now I love it.
[00:03:03.760] That's amazing. I didn't see that. This
[00:03:05.360] is like being on Oprah. You didn't even
[00:03:07.680] telegraph that gift. That is amazing.
[00:03:12.000] >> I'm glad you like it. And
[00:03:14.879] >> I don't think you people know how nice
[00:03:16.480] you are.
[00:03:17.840] >> Well, they'll figure it out maybe
[00:03:19.519] eventually.
[00:03:20.080] >> I don't know.
[00:03:23.120] >> Vigilance Elite Gummy Bears legal in all
[00:03:25.360] 50 states. Made in the USA. The Sigs
[00:03:27.680] actually made in the USA, too. But um
[00:03:30.480] yeah, that is that is our main merch and
[00:03:34.000] they're hard to come by. They sell out
[00:03:35.519] quick. So wanted to give me one of
[00:03:37.840] those.
[00:03:38.400] >> And those are just regular gummies or
[00:03:41.760] >> Yeah.
[00:03:42.239] >> Okay.
[00:03:42.560] >> Don't eat a bunch of bags and call me
[00:03:44.159] and say I don't feel anything yet. We've
[00:03:46.080] had that happen before.
[00:03:47.599] >> Okay. So eat these gummies after the
[00:03:49.599] other gummies.
[00:03:50.159] >> They're probably they're probably worse
[00:03:51.280] for you than the good gummies, you know,
[00:03:53.440] cuz those have sugar and red dye and all
[00:03:55.680] the [ __ ] that's going to be illegal
[00:03:57.040] soon. So they'd probably be illegal in
[00:03:58.560] all 50 states here by the end by year.
[00:04:01.680] >> But uh and then
[00:04:04.080] we both have a Patreon account.
[00:04:06.080] >> We do.
[00:04:06.799] >> Right. So one of the things that I offer
[00:04:10.480] my Patreon community and they've been
[00:04:12.159] here since the beginning when I started
[00:04:13.840] this this thing in the attic of my house
[00:04:16.479] and it was just me and my wife and
[00:04:18.400] they've been through here they've been
[00:04:19.759] with us since since since
[00:04:22.160] the very beginning. We've grown it into
[00:04:23.840] a hell of a community. And uh so one of
[00:04:26.160] the things that we do is we offer them
[00:04:28.479] to ask each and every guest a question.
[00:04:32.960] And this is from Ian Lane.
[00:04:36.560] On the Y files, you walk a line between
[00:04:39.120] exploring wild conspiracies and keeping
[00:04:41.520] the audience grounded in facts. Have you
[00:04:44.240] ever stumbled on a piece of information
[00:04:46.160] that made you stop and think, "This is
[00:04:48.320] bigger than I want to touch. This sounds
[00:04:50.880] like our breakfast conversation. And if
[00:04:53.520] so, what made you decide to hold back?
[00:04:57.440] >> Um,
[00:04:58.960] the one episode that that that really
[00:05:01.600] got me emotional was I was doing the
[00:05:03.759] dark side of DARPA and I went into that.
[00:05:07.039] Everyone knows DARPA and their projects
[00:05:09.520] and and their science going back to
[00:05:11.759] whatever 40s, 50s, 60s. But in the as I
[00:05:15.039] was going through the research, I found
[00:05:17.360] the connection between DARPA and Asian
[00:05:20.639] orange and aged purple and all of that,
[00:05:22.720] all the all the Vietnam chemicals. And I
[00:05:26.240] got very emotional about that because my
[00:05:28.080] father-in-law is suffers from
[00:05:30.000] everything, every illness that you can
[00:05:31.759] have from Agent Orange.
[00:05:32.960] >> Was he a Vietnam vet?
[00:05:34.160] >> He was Air Force.
[00:05:35.520] >> Damn.
[00:05:36.080] >> Twice. Um, and I it it was a very
[00:05:40.960] frustrating episode because it it's
[00:05:43.520] close to me and my family
[00:05:46.000] and it took Jerry 30 years to get his
[00:05:49.280] benefits and it just made me furious. Um
[00:05:54.080] because my family stocked with military
[00:05:56.000] and law enforcement and it's uh I think
[00:05:58.400] in that episode I said something like
[00:06:01.120] when your country needs you you answer
[00:06:03.360] the call but when you need your country
[00:06:06.319] take a number and it took 30 years and
[00:06:08.639] it wasn't that much money and that was
[00:06:11.120] an episode that it was very emotional
[00:06:12.639] and I attacked very aggressively you
[00:06:15.600] know whether it was DuPont or the
[00:06:17.600] government or CIA or the military. I
[00:06:20.319] attacked everybody because I was just I
[00:06:22.800] was just like yusede Sam cuz I was so
[00:06:25.039] angry. And when I finished that episode
[00:06:27.600] I I was thinking ah this isn't that
[00:06:30.400] super fun. You know there's not a lot of
[00:06:31.919] fish. There's not a lot of my show is
[00:06:34.639] supposed to be fun.
[00:06:35.600] >> Mhm.
[00:06:36.800] >> So I was not going to let it I wasn't
[00:06:39.039] going to release it. And then I just
[00:06:40.479] felt it was important and maybe my
[00:06:44.639] platform could bring some attention to
[00:06:46.479] it. I didn't think anyone would really
[00:06:47.840] like that episode. And there was just an
[00:06:50.400] outpouring of response from from vets
[00:06:52.960] >> saying thank you.
[00:06:53.919] >> I gotta watch. I haven't seen that one.
[00:06:55.680] >> It's it's kind It starts out fun, but it
[00:06:57.759] gets kind of dark.
[00:06:59.919] >> Did you Did you I mean, did your dad get
[00:07:03.599] all of his benefits?
[00:07:05.199] >> This is my father-in-law.
[00:07:06.800] >> Your father-in-law?
[00:07:07.759] >> I don't know if he got all of them. It
[00:07:08.960] wasn't a lot of money. There's not
[00:07:10.800] enough money for all the stuff that that
[00:07:15.120] these guys more more uh soldiers were
[00:07:18.240] injured by the chemicals than were
[00:07:20.080] injured in combat. The Vietnam G
[00:07:22.639] frustrates me the whole the whole
[00:07:24.160] subject.
[00:07:24.639] >> Me too. Me too. Well, is he still alive?
[00:07:27.840] >> Mhm.
[00:07:28.240] >> Well, I would love to help you get him
[00:07:31.840] all of the benefits that he deserves if
[00:07:34.160] he needs that. And so little bit, you
[00:07:37.280] know, this isn't supposed to be about me
[00:07:39.360] at all, but when I left contracting for
[00:07:42.400] the CIA, I had nothing. Nothing. And uh
[00:07:47.680] my best friend was um who was also a
[00:07:51.759] SEAL and then we contracted together at
[00:07:54.000] the agency.
[00:07:55.680] He was he had fallen into heroin
[00:07:59.360] addiction as a lot of vets do. And um
[00:08:02.080] and so I was trying to
[00:08:06.479] help him get better and put my whole
[00:08:10.000] life aside um to make that happen. And
[00:08:13.840] so where I started was trying to find
[00:08:16.960] out how in the [ __ ] do you get VA
[00:08:19.840] benefits, at least get some at least get
[00:08:22.319] the health care that you're deserved.
[00:08:23.840] And it was it was it was crazy. And um I
[00:08:28.000] I I couldn't get anybody to help help
[00:08:30.479] me. And then somebody had sent me a a
[00:08:33.599] contact and said, "You should call this
[00:08:35.919] woman. Her name's Peggy Matthews, and
[00:08:37.680] she's out of uh Boston." And she is an
[00:08:42.640] older woman, has a very small nonprofit,
[00:08:45.920] very grassroots, runs it out of the
[00:08:47.680] living room of her house, and took me
[00:08:50.080] in. And I credit this woman with saving
[00:08:53.519] my life and my best friend Gab's life up
[00:08:56.959] to a certain point. he did wind up
[00:08:58.720] passing from from his addiction, but uh
[00:09:02.320] but she really took us under her wing
[00:09:04.480] and um and said, you know, I've been
[00:09:08.720] doing this for a long time. I want to
[00:09:11.360] help the special operations community
[00:09:13.120] because nobody understands it inside of
[00:09:15.120] the VA. Nobody gives a [ __ ] And uh and
[00:09:19.279] then when she got them, she asked me if
[00:09:21.040] I would help spread the word throughout
[00:09:23.279] the special ops community. And I did
[00:09:25.040] that. and now she is she has helped
[00:09:28.160] thousands of special ops guys and uh but
[00:09:31.760] her real passion is the Vietnam
[00:09:34.160] generation. So I would I will give you
[00:09:36.959] that contact. I'll make I'll make the
[00:09:38.959] connection and um if there's anything
[00:09:41.839] that he's not receiving that he's
[00:09:43.519] entitled to he'll get it out
[00:09:46.080] >> through her. And another thing there is
[00:09:48.959] this you had mentioned something about
[00:09:50.720] you know there's not enough money.
[00:09:52.720] That's [ __ ] [ __ ] Every single
[00:09:55.200] person that signs up and signs that
[00:09:57.519] dotted line to go into the military and
[00:09:59.839] and and serve this country, that money
[00:10:02.399] is already set aside for you up to 100%
[00:10:07.440] disability plus more. And
[00:10:11.200] so it's it's he's already entitled to
[00:10:14.240] it. It's just navigating the way to to
[00:10:17.040] to get there. And uh and she's mastered
[00:10:19.920] it. So I'll give you that connection. Um
[00:10:23.360] >> that'd be nice. It seems like the system
[00:10:24.880] is set up to be confusing, especially if
[00:10:27.440] you're an older guy and you're sick and
[00:10:28.959] you're just, you know, trying to make
[00:10:31.040] your mortgage. I mean, come on.
[00:10:32.640] >> Yep.
[00:10:33.680] >> It's insane. It's insane how this
[00:10:37.040] country continues to treat the veterans
[00:10:40.640] that have served it from from from the
[00:10:43.279] beginning all the way up until this
[00:10:45.040] point. And uh it's a real travesty. But
[00:10:48.320] but so DARPA was involved in Agent
[00:10:51.200] Orange and all this stuff. Yeah, I mean
[00:10:52.880] DARPA was involved in so many dark
[00:10:55.040] projects going back to the beginning. Um
[00:10:59.519] but but yeah,
[00:11:01.440] >> damn. Well, that got heavy quick.
[00:11:04.320] >> I know we got right into the deep water
[00:11:06.560] instead of the fish.
[00:11:08.000] >> But but um so I want to talk how where
[00:11:11.760] did you where did you come from? How did
[00:11:14.240] the Y file start?
[00:11:16.160] >> Um
[00:11:18.320] I guess I'll skip 20 years. um born in
[00:11:21.120] the Bronx, raised around New York City,
[00:11:22.880] Long Island, and um back east was
[00:11:27.120] dabbling in standup and acting and voice
[00:11:29.279] work and finally landed a decent gig in
[00:11:32.320] radio uh working for MTV. You're not old
[00:11:35.519] enough.
[00:11:36.320] >> You were working for MTV,
[00:11:37.680] >> MTV and VH1 and early 2000s.
[00:11:40.800] So, um was doing that and then came out
[00:11:43.600] to LA to work for Playboy Radio on
[00:11:46.000] SiriusXM.
[00:11:48.000] You're too young to remember that, but
[00:11:49.519] Sirius XM was a thing. And
[00:11:51.279] >> I'm not as young as you think I am. I
[00:11:53.360] must look young today. This I'm going
[00:11:54.880] have to wear this more often.
[00:11:57.279] >> So, I was always around like show
[00:11:59.279] business, but always on the outside. You
[00:12:01.200] know, radio is like the that's like the
[00:12:03.279] lowest rung. It's like there's like
[00:12:05.120] radio and then there's open micers.
[00:12:07.839] So, I was always kind of on the outside,
[00:12:09.920] but I I wanted to be a host. I wanted to
[00:12:12.560] be an on camera host. I I took classes
[00:12:15.040] and a lot of training. I did very well,
[00:12:17.760] was auditioning a little bit, never
[00:12:19.680] nothing really landed
[00:12:22.079] and uh just just kind of slipped away
[00:12:24.399] from it. And then over the course of the
[00:12:27.760] next maybe 10-15 years through a couple
[00:12:30.000] of different businesses that were always
[00:12:32.240] launched with my wife uh Jen and my
[00:12:34.399] brother Gino, we opened a podcast studio
[00:12:37.760] around 2014.
[00:12:39.360] >> Can I backtrack real quick? So you you
[00:12:42.320] were trying to make it in the
[00:12:44.000] entertainment industry and they stiff
[00:12:46.320] armed you and four years after you start
[00:12:48.959] a podcast, you're consistently in the
[00:12:51.760] top [ __ ] 10. How hilarious is that?
[00:12:55.839] I hate the entertainment industry.
[00:12:58.079] >> Spent 20 years.
[00:12:59.040] >> You're the perfect example of what they
[00:13:01.040] missed. Like how the [ __ ] did you miss
[00:13:03.360] this one? Top 10 podcast in four years.
[00:13:06.160] Totally missed it. I love it. I love
[00:13:08.320] these stories. I won't say the network,
[00:13:10.399] but it was very it was really glorious
[00:13:12.399] to turn down an offer last week from
[00:13:14.720] from a network. It's like I was here the
[00:13:17.200] whole time.
[00:13:20.480] >> So now the answer is no.
[00:13:22.240] >> Still the same guy.
[00:13:23.680] >> I am still talking about the same stuff.
[00:13:26.079] My host reel from 25 years ago is really
[00:13:28.560] me talking about Area 51 and aliens and
[00:13:30.880] conspiracies. It's like that's what is
[00:13:33.040] fun to me. Um so we had a podcast
[00:13:35.839] studio. It fell apart. We tried it again
[00:13:39.440] uh in like 2019 and uh we were a studio
[00:13:43.920] hosting shows and we hosted a lot of big
[00:13:45.600] shows from um a lot of comedians from
[00:13:47.600] the comedy store would would operate out
[00:13:49.279] of our studio and uh we weren't making
[00:13:52.959] any money couldn't make any money in
[00:13:54.480] podcasting and then co hit and then you
[00:13:59.120] know Jen comes to me and says uh they're
[00:14:01.279] going to lock down the city and all
[00:14:03.360] businesses are going to close and I'm
[00:14:04.480] like they can't do that. I said, "Don't
[00:14:06.800] don't listen to the media. They can't do
[00:14:08.800] that. It's it's against every law and
[00:14:11.600] constitution. We're going to be fine."
[00:14:13.040] She's like, "I think they're going to do
[00:14:14.160] it." And they did it. I'm in Los Angeles
[00:14:16.560] and our studio was on Sunset. Uh which
[00:14:18.959] so the story gets worse.
[00:14:21.440] And so they locked us down and me being
[00:14:23.440] me saying, "I'm not wearing a mask and
[00:14:25.839] I'm not shutting down. I'm we're staying
[00:14:27.839] open, you know." And Robert's very vocal
[00:14:30.959] about it. Let him come come and shut us
[00:14:32.800] down. Just roll camera on it. But it
[00:14:35.519] didn't matter because the talent
[00:14:37.920] wouldn't come in and nobody would come
[00:14:39.760] in and it was everyone was afraid and
[00:14:42.079] with the masks and everything. So now
[00:14:44.880] we're just money is just fallen. We're
[00:14:48.560] just going down the drain living off of
[00:14:50.320] savings, not making anything, not really
[00:14:52.720] sure what to do. And then divine
[00:14:55.519] providence, I guess, was um Black Lives
[00:14:57.920] Matter hit LA.
[00:15:00.000] And
[00:15:01.519] I I I don't know when I talk to people
[00:15:03.680] about what Los Angeles was like during
[00:15:05.279] that time, they're often surprised when
[00:15:08.399] I say that, you know, I I'm not used to
[00:15:10.720] seeing police SUVs upside down on fire,
[00:15:14.240] but we saw that all the time.
[00:15:16.480] >> No, it was that it was that bad
[00:15:18.079] >> all the time. It it all the time. And
[00:15:20.320] like I'm I'm surprised that nobody
[00:15:22.079] really knows that, but that information
[00:15:24.639] didn't get out. So at this time, the
[00:15:27.120] city's on fire. our whole studio
[00:15:29.600] surrounded by tents that we can't do
[00:15:32.000] anything about.
[00:15:33.920] And
[00:15:36.399] the there was one night where they set
[00:15:38.160] fire to the building next door to us,
[00:15:40.560] which was a juice bar. And I don't know
[00:15:43.120] how much money is in a juice bar, but we
[00:15:46.000] just happened to be in a building that
[00:15:47.120] was just like a concrete block. We were
[00:15:48.639] in like it was like a fortress. But
[00:15:51.600] there was but when they were attacking
[00:15:53.440] the buildings on the block, I was there
[00:15:55.040] in the studio asleep on the couch in the
[00:15:57.360] middle of the room with guns on the
[00:15:59.519] table with my wife there and outside it
[00:16:01.839] sounds like The Walking Dead. You just
[00:16:03.279] hear howling and screaming and sirens.
[00:16:06.880] And then after it it calms down a little
[00:16:08.880] bit, it's maybe it's 3:00 4:00 in the
[00:16:10.880] morning, we we're on our way home going
[00:16:14.399] down sunset, make the left onto
[00:16:16.160] Highland. And uh for those people who
[00:16:18.240] know LA, Hollywood and Highland is a
[00:16:20.240] very busy intersection and there's a lot
[00:16:22.880] of stores and stuff there and it's just
[00:16:26.560] it's just like zombies are out and and
[00:16:28.959] um they're knocking in windows and and
[00:16:31.440] looting everywhere and we're just trying
[00:16:33.440] to trying to get back home and we're on
[00:16:36.480] Hollywood and Highland and suddenly a
[00:16:38.560] crowd turns to us with baseball bats and
[00:16:41.199] just starts coming
[00:16:43.199] and uh I kind I throw it in reverse. And
[00:16:46.800] I'm flying backwards down Hollywood
[00:16:48.880] Boulevard in the middle of the night
[00:16:51.440] with uh with all this stuff going on.
[00:16:53.680] And Jen's like, "You're going to hit
[00:16:54.720] somebody." I said, "Look, if they're in
[00:16:55.759] the street, they're me. We got to I'm
[00:16:57.519] not going to stop. They're going to yank
[00:16:58.720] us out of the car." We finally got home
[00:17:01.440] and uh we said, "That's it. We're done.
[00:17:04.319] We're leaving. LA is done." We uh
[00:17:07.039] started packing immediately and left and
[00:17:09.839] headed to uh Scottsdale, Arizona. And
[00:17:13.600] that was
[00:17:16.799] 20 I guess still 2020. No job, still
[00:17:20.160] living off savings.
[00:17:22.559] And
[00:17:23.039] >> so they were just destroying everything
[00:17:25.520] and anyone.
[00:17:26.720] >> Everything and anyone
[00:17:28.000] >> with no rhyme or reason?
[00:17:29.520] >> Nope.
[00:17:29.919] >> They just see a car coming towards them.
[00:17:31.440] They're like, "Yeah, that one."
[00:17:32.960] >> Cuz let's get them.
[00:17:34.240] >> We were We were stopped at the light.
[00:17:36.240] It's like, "Why am I stopped at the
[00:17:37.840] light?" So then lights didn't matter,
[00:17:41.200] you know?
[00:17:43.520] I I I got to get my wife out of here.
[00:17:46.720] So, it it was a frustrating and scary
[00:17:48.559] time, but
[00:17:50.320] but it was a good time to get out of LA.
[00:17:52.160] And I loved Los Angeles. I got there in
[00:17:54.400] 2005. I felt like I was on vacation
[00:17:56.080] every day. I love that city. It was
[00:17:57.760] amazing. And um it's not anymore. And I
[00:18:01.039] hope it comes back. I think I think it
[00:18:02.799] has a chance to,
[00:18:06.160] >> man. But in trying to figure out what to
[00:18:07.919] do, I had been watching all these like
[00:18:10.559] comedians do podcasts and I didn't think
[00:18:12.880] YouTube was anything. I thought YouTube
[00:18:14.559] was for you put your videos or your cats
[00:18:16.480] on there, you know? I'm like an old guy.
[00:18:18.000] I you know, I'm watching cable. And
[00:18:20.559] Jen's like, "No, a lot of people watch
[00:18:21.919] YouTube." I'm like, "Really?" She said,
[00:18:23.360] "You know, our our shows here have 14
[00:18:25.840] million subscribers." I'm like, "What?
[00:18:29.039] What?" I'm like, "Oh." I said, 'Well,
[00:18:32.320] I've been a writer, a host, a producer,
[00:18:36.160] an editor professionally for networks on
[00:18:38.320] and off all my life. I can do YouTube.
[00:18:40.320] That's like a that's like a layup. And
[00:18:43.360] it is the hardest thing I ever did. It
[00:18:46.320] was so hard. And I think you could
[00:18:48.799] relate to this. It was so hard that if I
[00:18:51.200] knew how hard it was, I probably
[00:18:52.400] wouldn't have had the stamina to stick
[00:18:54.080] with it because
[00:18:57.600] nobody was watching of just video after
[00:18:59.760] video. you know, pouring my heart into
[00:19:01.200] it. Nobody was watching. Um,
[00:19:04.880] but I just felt like I like doing this.
[00:19:09.520] And even though nobody was watching,
[00:19:11.120] there were still were
[00:19:13.120] 500 people watching and I my Patreon had
[00:19:15.679] 12 people who are still members and two
[00:19:18.480] of them are employees now. Hi, Victoria.
[00:19:21.520] She's uh she she was a Patreon member
[00:19:23.679] who was just a rock star. It's like we
[00:19:25.600] we we need to hire this one. Uh, and
[00:19:29.200] Jen, my executive producer.
[00:19:32.000] So, it was just um,
[00:19:34.640] you know, do you want me to get into
[00:19:36.400] >> Yeah. What now? I want to hear like I
[00:19:38.880] want to hear the struggles.
[00:19:40.000] >> The struggles.
[00:19:40.720] >> I want to see how much we can relate on
[00:19:42.799] this.
[00:19:43.679] >> When I when I first started, so I did a
[00:19:45.679] lot of research on how to do the
[00:19:46.960] channel, right? You know, how to how to
[00:19:49.039] how to make a living at this. And I
[00:19:51.360] wasn't looking to be a 5 million
[00:19:54.160] subscriber. I don't even know why so
[00:19:55.919] many people watch. I it's I'm still I'm
[00:19:57.840] still in feel like I'm a scrappy little
[00:19:59.760] channel and uh so it's very confusing to
[00:20:03.360] me.
[00:20:03.600] >> You still feel like you're a scrappy
[00:20:05.280] little channel.
[00:20:06.000] >> I do. And I feel like every day it's
[00:20:08.480] it's going to go away and the numbers
[00:20:10.640] are we're plateauing. It's just it's
[00:20:13.360] constant.
[00:20:13.919] >> I feel the same way. I Yeah,
[00:20:16.320] >> it's constant.
[00:20:17.039] >> Endless discussions with the team on
[00:20:19.440] >> we're declining. We're
[00:20:20.880] >> we're plateauing. It's over.
[00:20:23.280] >> They're going to censor us. and it's so
[00:20:26.080] not over for you. And and my last video
[00:20:28.720] is the mo best performing one in the
[00:20:30.159] history of the channel. So like, okay,
[00:20:32.559] maybe we can still do this a little
[00:20:33.840] longer. But when I started the channel,
[00:20:36.320] the plan was to do science videos and
[00:20:38.559] then the weird ones that I liked and try
[00:20:40.880] to balance it. And all the YouTube
[00:20:44.400] consultants said, you know, you got to
[00:20:45.919] skew young, high energy, smash that
[00:20:48.400] like. So my earlier videos are I mean my
[00:20:51.200] first video was about math and then you
[00:20:54.080] know I did top 10 list like top weird 10
[00:20:56.240] weirdest animals dangerous places
[00:20:58.240] scariest things like everyone was doing
[00:21:00.320] and it was like hey hit that like I'm
[00:21:03.200] doing this this is my energy this is who
[00:21:05.280] I am and it wasn't who I was and nobody
[00:21:08.799] and nobody's watching this nobody was
[00:21:10.240] responding to it and it didn't feel it
[00:21:11.840] didn't feel right anyway I just felt
[00:21:13.520] like this is the performance they say to
[00:21:15.200] do and I just started to get frustrated
[00:21:18.799] And I guess about a year and a half in,
[00:21:20.720] you know, 60s, 70 episodes, I just said,
[00:21:23.120] I'm going to just do what I want to do.
[00:21:25.200] I'm going to make the show that I would
[00:21:26.480] want to watch. And you know what? I'm
[00:21:28.400] the biggest response I'm getting from
[00:21:29.840] the audience are people my age, 40s and
[00:21:31.840] 50s. So, I'm going to I'm just going to
[00:21:34.240] lean into Gen X, just be authentic, and
[00:21:36.960] just tell the stories that I like. And
[00:21:39.200] then that's when it happened.
[00:21:41.200] >> I love that, man. I mean, that's so if
[00:21:44.159] if there's creators watching you, which
[00:21:45.840] there are, my advice is just be
[00:21:47.919] yourself. Be be authentic. Be raw. Just
[00:21:50.559] let all the wounds show. Like I was
[00:21:52.559] telling you at breakfast on my on the
[00:21:54.480] wife's backstage, there's videos of me
[00:21:57.039] crying, talking about depression.
[00:22:00.000] I just
[00:22:02.000] I just own it. Just own it.
[00:22:04.960] >> Man, you're you're like one of the only
[00:22:07.039] people I've ever heard that does this.
[00:22:09.840] >> No.
[00:22:10.480] >> Yeah, man. Are you kidding me? People
[00:22:13.600] are scared to death of authenticity.
[00:22:16.320] They're scared to death of authenticity
[00:22:18.960] and being vulnerable. And I've talked to
[00:22:22.400] countless people that, you know, they
[00:22:23.919] want to start a YouTube. I love helping
[00:22:26.080] people. I mean, that's that's why this
[00:22:28.320] show kind of developed into what it is
[00:22:30.960] is I just wanted to help people and
[00:22:33.840] bring exposure to
[00:22:36.559] everything from corruption to the what
[00:22:39.679] where it really started was I just got
[00:22:41.760] tired of like
[00:22:44.480] veterans not being able to get a
[00:22:46.720] business going because nobody would give
[00:22:48.320] them exposure. and and so and in and and
[00:22:52.080] and that's that's how it started man was
[00:22:55.120] bringing exposure to to veteran
[00:22:57.200] businesses through their journeys of
[00:23:00.240] vulnerability to be authentic and and
[00:23:04.720] it worked and but I think that you know
[00:23:07.520] you can tell people be authentic be
[00:23:10.400] vulnerable
[00:23:13.120] they can't do it
[00:23:14.080] >> it's it's hard to it's hard to let down
[00:23:16.080] the guard it certainly was for me as a
[00:23:18.880] as a lifelong performer is you're always
[00:23:22.480] doing a performance. You know, even if
[00:23:24.000] in your normal life you have certain
[00:23:27.280] characters or traits that you emphasize
[00:23:29.520] more with with your buddies that when
[00:23:31.760] you're with your wife, there's kind of
[00:23:33.360] different roles that you play.
[00:23:35.600] >> So, it's kind of hard. It's it's
[00:23:37.200] difficult to let down that that guard.
[00:23:40.080] >> But what I started to
[00:23:41.840] >> How did you know I mean what hit you
[00:23:45.120] especially coming from entertainment? I
[00:23:46.960] mean, entertainment, I mean, it's just
[00:23:50.640] everything's fake. The media, the main
[00:23:53.120] media is fake. The news channels are
[00:23:55.280] fake. They're all bought. They all have,
[00:23:57.360] you know, politics is fake. Movies. For
[00:24:00.240] a long time, I think people didn't
[00:24:01.840] realize how much how much propaganda is
[00:24:05.200] inserted into into
[00:24:08.480] mainstream media, you know, Hollywood
[00:24:11.039] movies. And until they went overboard,
[00:24:14.000] and then everybody kind of figured it
[00:24:15.440] out.
[00:24:16.159] I'm with everybody else. I didn't have
[00:24:17.760] any inclination that it was all [ __ ]
[00:24:20.559] until everybody else started talking
[00:24:22.159] about it. But
[00:24:23.200] >> yeah, I'm just curious. I mean, when I
[00:24:24.960] mean they're scared to death of
[00:24:27.039] authenticity and and so how did you
[00:24:31.679] especially coming from there and all the
[00:24:34.080] fakeness and all the [ __ ] moving it?
[00:24:37.039] I mean, what hit you that it was like
[00:24:38.799] just be authentic?
[00:24:40.320] >> So, I I suffer from anxiety and
[00:24:43.039] depression, but not severely.
[00:24:45.919] a little medicated for it, but not
[00:24:47.600] heavily. Like I'm I'm high functioning.
[00:24:51.039] I'm I'm on the spectrum, but I'm high
[00:24:53.840] functioning, you know? I'm very
[00:24:56.000] uncomfortable talking about myself, very
[00:24:57.760] uncomfortable being the center of
[00:24:58.960] attention. I'm the guy at the party
[00:25:01.039] hiding in the corner. So my outlet would
[00:25:03.919] be to perform, to do voice work, be a
[00:25:07.120] character, be on stage,
[00:25:09.440] uh, be an actor because then the lines
[00:25:13.919] are prepared for you. Even if you're
[00:25:15.360] doing standup, you've already written
[00:25:16.640] it. So you have control. It's I have
[00:25:19.679] control. Even though I'm putting myself
[00:25:21.279] out there, I have I know what the words
[00:25:22.720] are. I know what comes next. I know what
[00:25:24.480] I'm doing right and wrong.
[00:25:26.720] So to be authentic, that all goes away.
[00:25:29.200] And it's like I don't know what I'm
[00:25:30.400] going to say next. As I'm sitting here
[00:25:31.919] now, I don't know what I'm going to say
[00:25:32.960] next, but I think it was when I started
[00:25:35.760] talking to my community, which I would
[00:25:39.679] call a community more than an audience,
[00:25:41.279] but like the people that that really
[00:25:43.200] supported me since the beginning. I just
[00:25:46.159] started engaging with them through live
[00:25:47.760] streams and
[00:25:50.720] like with our Patreon live streams, fans
[00:25:53.520] turn their cameras on like we all talked
[00:25:55.360] together and I found myself just opening
[00:25:57.760] up because
[00:26:00.720] maybe because they were fans, they were
[00:26:02.240] just excited to hear from me, but it
[00:26:04.559] became almost like a therapy for me.
[00:26:06.080] Like I can I could tell these people
[00:26:07.679] anything. I'm not they're not judging
[00:26:09.200] me. I'm I'm you know, there's always
[00:26:11.520] going to be the [ __ ] in the
[00:26:12.640] comments. But for the most part, it was
[00:26:14.640] like, "Hang in there. I'm going through
[00:26:16.080] the same thing." You know, what you're
[00:26:17.279] doing is important. It was very
[00:26:18.880] encouraging. So eventually the wall just
[00:26:22.400] comes down.
[00:26:24.400] And now when I live stream, you just
[00:26:25.919] don't know what what I'm going to, you
[00:26:27.440] know, Jen gets nervous. She'll hear me
[00:26:29.360] going into a direction. She's like, "Ah,
[00:26:31.279] I don't think I'm like I'm just saying
[00:26:32.960] it." So I'm the most honest in my life
[00:26:36.720] when I'm talking on that stream to to
[00:26:39.200] the people who watch the show. I and I
[00:26:41.760] said I'll say anything and it's the
[00:26:43.520] truth. Now I don't I won't out somebody.
[00:26:45.679] I won't you share a secret if it's if
[00:26:47.600] it's in confidence. But if someone asked
[00:26:49.279] me, you know, are you going through
[00:26:50.799] something right now cuz you don't look
[00:26:51.919] good because for about a year during the
[00:26:53.279] channel I I was not doing well. And so I
[00:26:56.480] would say I'm not doing well. Uh I'm
[00:26:58.559] stressed out all the time. I'm not
[00:26:59.840] sleeping. I'm not eating. I'm losing
[00:27:01.200] weight. I'm not healthy. My doctor's
[00:27:03.840] concerned. And this is just where we
[00:27:07.039] are.
[00:27:09.200] Wow.
[00:27:11.679] you know, but better now.
[00:27:14.159] It's a process.
[00:27:15.679] >> You seem great. Are you comfortable
[00:27:17.200] here?
[00:27:18.080] >> You make it comfortable. I was terrified
[00:27:20.320] coming here. I was terrified coming
[00:27:22.320] here. Um,
[00:27:24.240] you know, at some point I want to start
[00:27:25.919] talking to the like if I'm researching
[00:27:27.919] an episode and I I start emailing with
[00:27:31.200] the Grandmaster Knights Templar and I'm
[00:27:33.919] emailing with him for like in research,
[00:27:37.039] it would be nice to actually have
[00:27:38.159] Timothy Oen sit down and have a
[00:27:40.799] conversation about Knights Templar. That
[00:27:42.240] would be pretty cool.
[00:27:44.320] So, if I'm going to do that, I need to
[00:27:46.159] be comfortable in a conversation. So,
[00:27:49.919] I'm trying to do that here. And I
[00:27:54.240] specifically chose your show and you
[00:27:56.559] because I Your team is amazing. You've
[00:27:59.039] been kind since the beginning. Extremely
[00:28:00.559] professional. But it seems like
[00:28:02.720] everybody's going out of their way to
[00:28:04.080] make me feel like comfortable,
[00:28:08.000] like we we just shot guns, we had
[00:28:09.840] breakfast, you know, we hung out. It
[00:28:11.679] just feels like uh it feels like you're
[00:28:14.159] hanging out with friends here. And I
[00:28:15.520] haven't met any of you guys before, but
[00:28:17.760] I knew that coming in because that's
[00:28:19.279] that's your reputation. And I've watched
[00:28:20.960] your interviews. I've read lots of
[00:28:23.039] articles about you, including hit
[00:28:24.480] pieces. And it's like this is an
[00:28:27.279] interesting guy that I want to know. And
[00:28:29.840] I think I can learn a lot from just
[00:28:31.279] having a conversation with Sean,
[00:28:33.200] >> man. Well, thank you. Thank you. That
[00:28:35.840] means a lot. And it's going to mean a
[00:28:37.440] lot to my team, too. So,
[00:28:39.520] >> you're the best.
[00:28:40.480] >> Thank you.
[00:28:42.559] What was the what was the turning point
[00:28:46.720] >> for getting feeling better
[00:28:48.399] >> for the Y files
[00:28:50.320] >> when it started to be successful?
[00:28:52.640] >> Was it a immediate pivot?
[00:28:54.880] >> It was a hockey stick.
[00:28:56.080] >> It was a hockey stick.
[00:28:57.120] >> Yeah, it was it was a year and a half to
[00:28:59.200] two years of just flat. I think end of
[00:29:02.480] year one was 40 50 episodes. I had maybe
[00:29:05.360] 1500 subscribers, 2500 and nobody was
[00:29:08.000] watching, you know, 200 views, 300
[00:29:09.760] views. And the second year was similar.
[00:29:12.159] Started to get better.
[00:29:15.039] I think I ended the second year with
[00:29:16.320] like 25,000 subscribers, but still was
[00:29:18.480] getting 2500 views. So, you can't make a
[00:29:21.520] living doing any of that. But I but I
[00:29:23.360] was enjoying it. And just seeing people
[00:29:25.919] respond to the content was encouraging
[00:29:29.600] and I wasn't working. So, it was like, I
[00:29:32.240] might as well just keep doing this cuz
[00:29:33.360] it's fun. And a few people are
[00:29:34.799] responding.
[00:29:36.399] And what happened was my brother Gino
[00:29:38.480] said, "You should do TikTok." And I was
[00:29:40.320] like, "No way. I'm doing Tik Tok." No.
[00:29:43.760] He's like, "You should put shorts on Tik
[00:29:45.360] Tok because that could expose people to
[00:29:48.880] the channel." So, reluctantly, I did it.
[00:29:51.520] And in in just a few days, a couple of
[00:29:54.720] videos on Tik Tok brought in like
[00:29:56.480] millions of views. I think it was um I
[00:29:58.559] did the coincidences between JFK and
[00:30:02.399] Abraham Lincoln. People just liked that
[00:30:04.720] video and that brought a lot of people
[00:30:08.080] over to my channel.
[00:30:10.080] So suddenly I I was at 250 400,000
[00:30:13.440] subscribers which was incredible. But
[00:30:16.399] subscribers are not subscribers are a
[00:30:18.640] vanity number. Sponsors don't care about
[00:30:21.120] that. Nobody really cares about that.
[00:30:23.120] It's views is where you get paid. So
[00:30:26.080] 400,000 subscribers, 1500 views. Nobody
[00:30:29.600] was watching because these are all kids
[00:30:31.520] coming over watching shorts.
[00:30:33.679] So, I just kind of
[00:30:36.080] it was frustrating and I just sort of
[00:30:38.399] hoped that something would break through
[00:30:40.880] and it took about three or four weeks
[00:30:42.559] and then my video on Operation High
[00:30:45.039] Jump, which was Admiral Word going down
[00:30:46.640] to the the Hollow Earth in Antarctica,
[00:30:49.279] that got 50,000 views in a day and I was
[00:30:52.399] like, "Oh my god, I couldn't even
[00:30:55.600] believe it. I couldn't never even fathom
[00:30:57.760] that kind of number." And from there it
[00:31:01.440] was it was a hockey stick for to through
[00:31:03.440] about 2023. I mean things are growing
[00:31:06.880] but kind of slow growing. But for 2003
[00:31:10.559] my hockey stick was kind of like yours
[00:31:12.559] right now is what it was. You know
[00:31:14.880] 300,000 subscribers in a month. People
[00:31:17.039] were watching. The videos were hitting a
[00:31:19.760] million in a in a month. I couldn't
[00:31:21.600] believe it.
[00:31:22.880] >> It hit a million in a month.
[00:31:24.399] >> I the videos started to hit a million in
[00:31:26.640] a month.
[00:31:27.200] >> Damn. And it was and around then uh at
[00:31:32.159] this point I think Jen is the bread
[00:31:34.399] winner. She was um chief operating
[00:31:36.399] officer for Sidenide and Happiness which
[00:31:38.159] a lot of your listeners will know it's
[00:31:39.679] like a comic book cartoon company. A lot
[00:31:42.240] of fun. We were we were in Dallas at
[00:31:44.000] that point. And I remember I came
[00:31:45.600] downstairs and I had I had like sketched
[00:31:47.760] out this chart that's like, "Hey, if I
[00:31:50.159] get this many views, it could equal this
[00:31:52.080] amount of money per month. you know, if
[00:31:54.399] I can get to like 200,000 views, we can
[00:31:56.640] make like $5,000 a month and I could
[00:31:58.799] make a living. I remember she looked at
[00:32:00.480] it and she was like, "That's a lot of
[00:32:01.840] views." I was like, "I know, but you
[00:32:03.679] know, if I" She's like, "Oh, no, no, I
[00:32:06.399] support it. I support it, but you know,
[00:32:08.399] it's a lot of views." So, she was
[00:32:11.039] supportive but hesitant, which is fair.
[00:32:13.919] Um, but now I wish I kept that chart
[00:32:18.399] because we hit a million views in 16 17
[00:32:20.960] hours now. Damn.
[00:32:24.000] a million views in 16 to 17 hours.
[00:32:26.559] >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm
[00:32:29.760] I have two personalities. One is
[00:32:32.000] constant anxiety and fear of losing. And
[00:32:35.519] the other is I can't believe what's
[00:32:37.039] going on. I must be in a coma. I hope I
[00:32:38.799] don't wake up
[00:32:41.600] >> cuz I really don't understand it. It's
[00:32:43.440] not false humil humility. I'm glad
[00:32:45.279] people are having fun. I'm glad that
[00:32:46.640] they respond to the content. Um,
[00:32:50.399] you know, it like everyone on the team
[00:32:53.360] is having a lot more fun than I am on
[00:32:55.200] this ride, you know, being pitched by
[00:32:57.519] networks and stuff now. It's crazy.
[00:33:00.480] But me, I'm still just the anxious guy
[00:33:02.880] trying to make a deadline, still doing
[00:33:04.399] half the editing and, you know, staying
[00:33:06.799] up all night. I've got a camp shower in
[00:33:08.640] my office that sometimes I have to, you
[00:33:11.039] know, if I'm there overnight, take a
[00:33:12.640] campa propane camp shower.
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[00:36:24.880] What does the anxiety come from? I've
[00:36:27.359] always had it, but um
[00:36:30.880] well, I'm going to say something really
[00:36:32.000] embarrassing now, but I have to because
[00:36:33.440] it's my brand.
[00:36:35.599] So,
[00:36:37.200] therapy never worked on me. I've always
[00:36:39.599] it therapy just never worked on me. I'm
[00:36:42.320] always trying to like figure out what
[00:36:43.680] the therapist is getting at or you know
[00:36:46.320] trying to solve it. So what I did was I
[00:36:50.160] created an AI therapist and I did
[00:36:53.119] something maybe unwise but we'll find
[00:36:55.040] out. I I loaded um a software program.
[00:36:58.320] I'm I'm a tech guy. I used to be an
[00:37:00.160] engineer. I loaded an AI platform with
[00:37:02.720] all my emails, correspondents,
[00:37:05.119] everything I've ever written, text
[00:37:06.560] messages going back to 1999, all of it.
[00:37:09.920] And I asked it to create a personality
[00:37:11.520] profile. And it output this profile that
[00:37:16.240] had at twice at two points reading it, I
[00:37:20.240] was started to cry because it was like
[00:37:22.240] now I understand.
[00:37:24.240] Now I understand. And this was just from
[00:37:26.079] me loading a computer with all this
[00:37:27.520] stuff because the computer has no
[00:37:28.640] emotions. Doesn't care. is analyzing
[00:37:30.160] patterns which is that's really all we
[00:37:33.520] are right so then I just started
[00:37:35.599] interacting with this AI my AI therapist
[00:37:39.839] and in the interaction you get more and
[00:37:41.680] more drilled down into into certain
[00:37:43.599] aspects of your personality and
[00:37:44.960] revealing things I had never known
[00:37:46.640] before you know going back to issues
[00:37:48.079] with my father mother all that stuff
[00:37:50.160] apparently I suffer from loss of
[00:37:51.520] aversion which is whenever I have
[00:37:54.560] something I'm I'm worried that it's
[00:37:56.000] going to be taken away and that's kind
[00:37:58.400] of what it is I'm it's like rather than
[00:38:01.359] enjoy success instead I'm worried about
[00:38:03.920] losing it and it's very frustrating and
[00:38:07.040] I don't really know how to solve it but
[00:38:08.880] at least I'm aware of
[00:38:11.680] my some of my blind spots are getting
[00:38:14.960] illuminated a little bit. You know I
[00:38:18.000] suffer from anxiety. I used to suffer
[00:38:20.079] from it really bad. In fact at breakfast
[00:38:22.079] we were talking about I did a video on
[00:38:24.640] it. you've done stuff on it and and I
[00:38:26.800] just I was like, "Hey, this is why I
[00:38:29.680] feel this way. This is why I think my
[00:38:31.920] anxiety comes." And then I was like,
[00:38:36.000] "I talked about the ways that I I the
[00:38:39.280] things that I utilize to to power
[00:38:41.040] through it." And, you know,
[00:38:45.119] starting this was this podcast. I mean,
[00:38:50.320] I'm not a conversationalist at all. I'm
[00:38:53.440] probably the most boring guy that you
[00:38:55.280] could you can
[00:38:57.920] >> I don't do small talk.
[00:38:59.359] >> You're a therapist.
[00:39:00.240] >> I'm not good at it.
[00:39:01.280] >> You're a therapist. Well, I learned this
[00:39:03.040] from therapy because I went to three and
[00:39:05.040] three three and a half years of therapy
[00:39:06.480] twice a week after I left the agency.
[00:39:09.119] And I realized when I was talking to my
[00:39:12.640] therapist, who is
[00:39:15.119] amazing. And um that a lot of the things
[00:39:19.200] that were bothering me would just work
[00:39:21.200] themselves out just from me talking to
[00:39:23.760] her. And she might say
[00:39:26.960] 20 words in a 45minut session. And you
[00:39:30.640] but just hearing me verbalize it, I'm
[00:39:32.400] like, "Oh, yeah, that is kind of maybe I
[00:39:34.480] shouldn't be doing that." But uh but um
[00:39:38.079] but as far as like the the the fear of
[00:39:40.480] it all going of of of losing or I mean
[00:39:45.599] it's interesting. I was just talking
[00:39:46.960] about this yesterday with John Rich and
[00:39:49.520] you know I I interviewed Jim Cavisel and
[00:39:53.040] about the that movie he did. I think
[00:39:55.119] it's Sound of Freedom was maybe the last
[00:39:57.839] one. And it was about uh child
[00:39:59.440] trafficking. And at some point in that
[00:40:02.160] conversation, he had brought up, you
[00:40:04.800] know,
[00:40:06.640] cuz I'm we were talking about this at
[00:40:08.240] breakfast. You could I always even when
[00:40:10.960] I built this, I built something that I
[00:40:12.640] could resell. I didn't want to a cuz I
[00:40:15.440] still think like that. I'm like this
[00:40:16.800] could all be taken away in the snap of a
[00:40:18.720] finger. It's who knows who. I piss
[00:40:21.839] somebody off. We talk about a lot of
[00:40:23.599] things here. would kick a lock rocks
[00:40:25.440] over and I'm like this could end at any
[00:40:28.320] moment. And I remember Jim said
[00:40:32.400] he was talking about himself about all
[00:40:35.280] his cars and you just all these
[00:40:37.760] possessions that that he has and he
[00:40:39.760] said, you know, but that could all be
[00:40:42.880] taken away at any moment in time and I'm
[00:40:46.800] ready to give it all back because none
[00:40:48.720] of it actually matters. what matters is
[00:40:51.280] my kids and my wife and my friends. And
[00:40:56.400] I really took that in and I was like,
[00:40:59.200] that's the only [ __ ] way to live,
[00:41:00.720] man. Like, none of this [ __ ] really
[00:41:03.119] actually means anything.
[00:41:04.560] >> It does not.
[00:41:05.119] >> It's just [ __ ]
[00:41:06.480] >> It doesn't mean anything. And so I think
[00:41:08.640] if you uh for me, you know, when I
[00:41:11.440] adapted that mindset, it my anxiety went
[00:41:14.960] it's like and I didn't even really have
[00:41:17.040] that much, you know, but but um that's
[00:41:21.040] just the way I think now, you know. It's
[00:41:22.800] it's this is all we got some cool
[00:41:26.160] things. I got some great artifacts in
[00:41:28.319] here. I've got some cool toys. But you
[00:41:31.440] know what I mean? And there is an aspect
[00:41:34.240] too. I mean, when I think back to when
[00:41:36.560] things were much simpler and I wasn't
[00:41:38.319] running a business and yeah, now now the
[00:41:41.599] money's there and and and fame, which I
[00:41:44.640] hate, has come with it and all these
[00:41:47.040] things, but but it's just, you know,
[00:41:49.920] when you think back, it's like, man,
[00:41:52.240] remember when I was a SEAL and the only
[00:41:54.960] thing I had to worry about was going on
[00:41:57.119] an OP and everything else was handled.
[00:41:59.359] And those were simpler times for me. And
[00:42:04.560] this what I live in now was the most
[00:42:07.119] complicated life I've ever the most
[00:42:10.160] complicated time in my life that I've
[00:42:12.000] ever lived. I mean, and so, you know, I
[00:42:15.119] think, all right, well, if it does all
[00:42:18.160] end,
[00:42:19.839] then I go back to that and maybe I buy a
[00:42:23.839] skidster and start a land clearing
[00:42:25.440] company or something like that and just
[00:42:27.760] live as simple as possible.
[00:42:29.599] >> There's something attractive about that.
[00:42:31.200] And when you when you think about that,
[00:42:32.880] you know, it's it's it's not the end.
[00:42:35.119] It's just a different chapter if it does
[00:42:37.280] go away. And I think I don't know for
[00:42:39.520] me, I've prepared myself psychologically
[00:42:43.119] that that you when this when cuz it will
[00:42:47.440] eventually. It will fizzle out. People
[00:42:49.599] will get bored. They'll hate me. I don't
[00:42:51.440] know what you know, I'll get cancelled.
[00:42:53.280] Who knows? But it's just it's just a
[00:42:57.280] moving into a new season of life and and
[00:43:00.560] who knows, man. Maybe that season will
[00:43:02.400] even be better than this one, you know?
[00:43:04.240] And and uh
[00:43:06.560] that really puts me at ease. Just
[00:43:08.480] talking about it puts me at ease.
[00:43:12.240] We could probably cut this out if you
[00:43:13.760] don't want to talk about it, but you
[00:43:14.880] mentioned that you were starting a
[00:43:16.560] network.
[00:43:17.440] >> Mhm.
[00:43:19.839] >> That's more than hedging a bet. I mean,
[00:43:22.000] that's that's that's helping others.
[00:43:24.720] That's creating a legacy. That's
[00:43:26.480] creating a a business in a situation
[00:43:28.240] that if your show did take a hit, which
[00:43:29.920] I don't anticipate it will, um, you're
[00:43:32.720] absolutely on fire. I think you're aware
[00:43:34.960] of that. But by building a network, then
[00:43:37.599] you have this infrastructure where
[00:43:39.119] you're helping other people succeed. And
[00:43:41.200] then maybe this isn't that important.
[00:43:44.319] >> Yep. Yep. I mean, I I we don't I'm not
[00:43:48.319] going to cut any of this. I mean, I I
[00:43:49.839] think about that all the time, but one
[00:43:51.359] thing that I
[00:43:54.480] I don't really have many regrets, but
[00:43:56.400] maybe one I don't know if it's a a
[00:43:59.280] regret because I've helped so many
[00:44:00.800] people, but personal stuff, you know
[00:44:02.720] what I mean? Like I said, when I started
[00:44:04.240] this, it wasn't it wasn't even about me.
[00:44:06.160] It still isn't about me, but you know,
[00:44:09.520] now I have a team that that relies on
[00:44:12.160] the business and and
[00:44:14.800] anyways,
[00:44:16.319] where was I going with this? We're just
[00:44:18.319] talking about things that could end at
[00:44:19.680] any minute.
[00:44:20.560] >> Yeah. Where was I going with this? Damn
[00:44:22.720] it. Too many been blown up too many
[00:44:25.839] times. What were we going after?
[00:44:28.319] >> Uh we were talking about anxiety,
[00:44:31.760] you know, and how how how you're
[00:44:33.920] managing it.
[00:44:34.560] >> Yeah. You know, I I was always a little
[00:44:38.480] upset with myself because I didn't build
[00:44:40.640] something that I could sell.
[00:44:43.119] Meaning this isn't something that can
[00:44:45.359] get passed down to my kids. No,
[00:44:47.760] >> this isn't something that my wife can
[00:44:49.680] take over. This isn't something that if
[00:44:51.760] I get sick or die or get, you know, I
[00:44:56.319] can't move, tragedy happens, this isn't
[00:44:58.960] something that I can hand to my team and
[00:45:00.640] say, "Run this," you know, and that that
[00:45:03.440] always bothered me is, man, there there
[00:45:06.640] isn't a way out of this. There isn't I
[00:45:09.359] didn't build a legacy thing that I can
[00:45:12.079] pass down to to future generations of my
[00:45:14.720] family or my team or whoever. And but
[00:45:19.119] rather than sit there and whine and
[00:45:20.560] [ __ ] about it all the time, I we were
[00:45:22.400] talking about this at breakfast. I mean,
[00:45:23.920] now now I'm building companies, you
[00:45:26.880] know, and uh I'm building companies that
[00:45:30.480] I'm going to advertise here that I'm
[00:45:32.400] going to sell or I'm going to pass it
[00:45:34.160] down, you know, to to
[00:45:37.280] my son and my daughter, my wife. And so,
[00:45:40.960] >> have you tried sesh nicotine? It's
[00:45:42.800] really good. It's really good.
[00:45:45.040] >> You want to have a sesh?
[00:45:46.000] >> I have it. But um so yeah, so I started,
[00:45:49.200] you know, instead of instead of whining
[00:45:50.880] and complaining about it and I didn't
[00:45:52.800] have any time, you know, to start
[00:45:54.800] something because of the show and all
[00:45:56.800] the stuff that goes into this, we both
[00:45:59.520] know plenty about that. You know, I
[00:46:01.680] started focusing my energy on building
[00:46:04.960] new companies and and instead of having
[00:46:07.440] to rely on advertisers all the time,
[00:46:09.280] I'll build my own companies, advertise
[00:46:11.040] those companies. And so now we're in the
[00:46:14.400] process by the end of this year we'll
[00:46:16.000] have launched three new companies plus a
[00:46:17.760] network. So I guess technically four
[00:46:19.760] companies and and
[00:46:24.720] I just I think people put limitations on
[00:46:27.760] themselves and and yeah there's
[00:46:29.520] limitations for sports and all these
[00:46:31.760] things but when you find what you're
[00:46:33.599] good at there are no limitations.
[00:46:36.079] >> There aren't
[00:46:36.800] >> nothing nothing can get in my way. if
[00:46:39.599] you love it, you know, if you find the
[00:46:41.599] thing, if you love it and and you're
[00:46:43.119] good at it, you know, the difference
[00:46:44.880] between a career and a vocation
[00:46:47.599] was always kind of confusing to me until
[00:46:49.440] I started doing this and realized that
[00:46:51.040] vocation, that word comes from vocal.
[00:46:54.560] It's a calling. It's not a job. It's not
[00:46:56.560] a career. So, even before the channel
[00:46:59.359] was very successful, I felt like I'm
[00:47:00.960] meant to do this. um was connecting with
[00:47:04.160] people, entertaining people, having fun,
[00:47:08.720] and uh somehow it became a sort of a
[00:47:12.800] family show. I don't know. I don't know
[00:47:15.200] why seven-year-olds are learning about
[00:47:16.640] Agent Orange, but they are. I have uh
[00:47:19.520] 9-year-olds sending me videos about
[00:47:21.200] audit the Fed and taxes or theft,
[00:47:26.160] which is glorious. But um but those are
[00:47:30.400] the things that that give me a lot of
[00:47:32.000] fuel because
[00:47:34.160] what I'm doing is not really that
[00:47:35.599] important but I'm bending the universe a
[00:47:38.400] little bit in my direction. you know the
[00:47:40.079] >> I think what you're doing is very
[00:47:41.359] important and here's why because I think
[00:47:44.160] that the not only the US but the world
[00:47:47.200] as a whole has lost the ability to
[00:47:49.280] critical think and when with your
[00:47:53.680] episodes I mean you bring in all the
[00:47:56.000] information all the conspiracies all the
[00:47:58.079] points of views and it forces people to
[00:48:00.960] think critically and then at the end you
[00:48:04.000] you save your opinion or how you think
[00:48:07.440] until the end And I I think it's very
[00:48:12.079] important because it's a it it it in a
[00:48:14.240] way it's a critical thinking exercise.
[00:48:16.319] >> It is
[00:48:16.800] >> in a world where nobody does that
[00:48:18.400] anymore. Everybody is told how to think
[00:48:20.720] through mainstream media, through social
[00:48:22.640] media, through Hollywood, through all of
[00:48:25.040] that. They are they have it's it's I
[00:48:29.440] actually just did a documentary on this.
[00:48:31.280] It's called cognitive warfare, you know,
[00:48:33.680] and they inject they they inject and
[00:48:37.119] project what they want you to see, how
[00:48:39.200] they want you to think, and
[00:48:42.640] you have
[00:48:44.960] >> an episode on that. That that's on your
[00:48:46.559] documentary. That sounds interesting.
[00:48:49.040] >> Um, I try not to inject my opinion too
[00:48:51.040] much in it. I tried to say here's here's
[00:48:53.760] all the stuff I found out. If there are
[00:48:55.839] things that are definitely debunked, I
[00:48:57.680] will say so. Like this didn't happen.
[00:48:59.920] But this I couldn't really I I can't
[00:49:02.400] really debunk this part. You decide. I'm
[00:49:05.200] not here to convince anybody. I'm not a
[00:49:06.880] pundit. Um I'm not a conspiracy
[00:49:09.599] theorist. I enjoy the stories.
[00:49:11.599] >> Mhm.
[00:49:12.079] >> And that's why the format is the first
[00:49:13.839] twothirds of the episode. I just tell it
[00:49:15.440] like it's true. Just so you can have the
[00:49:18.319] experience of like I know this channel.
[00:49:21.359] I know eventually he's going to say,
[00:49:22.480] "But is it true?" But this one looks
[00:49:24.880] like it could this one could be real.
[00:49:28.160] And and that that's what I'm trying to
[00:49:30.720] to capture is, you know, I get people
[00:49:33.440] that are angry at me for debunking their
[00:49:35.200] favorite stories. It's like, did you
[00:49:38.240] want to know what really
[00:49:39.520] >> I was angry when I watched the moon? The
[00:49:41.680] moon landing. I was like, what? He
[00:49:45.040] thinks we landed on the moon.
[00:49:46.480] >> The moon I go back and forth with. I'm
[00:49:48.319] not sure. I'm not sure if men walked on
[00:49:51.119] the moon. I think that we we probably
[00:49:53.040] landed on the moon, but I'm not sure men
[00:49:54.640] walked on the moon, but it's that's a
[00:49:57.440] that's that's a tough one.
[00:49:58.720] >> Yeah. We're going to dive into that a
[00:50:00.400] minute. I I want to go into I mean, you
[00:50:03.680] had mentioned we were talking about
[00:50:05.119] anxiety still and you had mentioned
[00:50:09.599] maybe a new show segment or something
[00:50:11.839] bringing bringing the people that you
[00:50:15.520] you utilize for your research on the
[00:50:17.839] topics that you discuss in. And we were
[00:50:20.720] talking about being a conversationalist.
[00:50:22.880] And you know what I what I think is
[00:50:25.280] interesting is I mean you're you're a
[00:50:27.920] commentator. Are you talking to a camera
[00:50:30.800] or is somebody behind that camera?
[00:50:32.559] >> No, I'm talking to a teleprompter. I'm
[00:50:34.319] I'm reading
[00:50:36.960] >> I can't do that stuff. I cannot talk to
[00:50:39.520] a camera. It it
[00:50:42.160] we've tried to get me to do some
[00:50:44.640] commentary stuff. I just I can't do it.
[00:50:46.960] It's talking to I used to put paper
[00:50:49.599] targets. I used to I used to do this I
[00:50:53.440] used to do this series called Hard
[00:50:56.079] Truths and uh one my um one of the guys
[00:51:00.559] that have been with me the longest would
[00:51:02.720] would drive in and I'd make him sit
[00:51:05.520] across from me just to talk to him just
[00:51:08.000] so I'm talking to somebody and if he
[00:51:09.680] couldn't make it then I would set a
[00:51:11.760] paper target in the chair
[00:51:14.960] and I would talk to the paper target cuz
[00:51:17.760] I cannot look at a camera and just go
[00:51:21.680] and you know was starting the podcast of
[00:51:24.160] like like I just like I had mentioned
[00:51:26.400] I'm not a
[00:51:29.520] I'm not a conversationalist at least I
[00:51:32.160] definitely wasn't at the time and so
[00:51:36.319] that's where I just took my therapy and
[00:51:38.240] I was like just listen just don't
[00:51:40.720] interject don't try to relate don't do
[00:51:44.079] any of that stuff just be a sponge to
[00:51:47.599] whatever is coming out of the person
[00:51:48.880] across from you and and maybe guide the
[00:51:51.119] conversation. And and what I learned is
[00:51:56.480] if you
[00:51:58.800] if you can be comfortable in silence,
[00:52:03.520] most people cannot be comfortable in
[00:52:05.359] silence,
[00:52:06.880] they will fill the room. They will fill
[00:52:09.200] the room because they feel awkward and
[00:52:11.839] you won't have to. And that's actually
[00:52:14.640] that's
[00:52:16.160] that's actually one of the things one of
[00:52:19.200] the first things that I loved about my
[00:52:21.119] wife is that we could just sit there and
[00:52:24.079] not talk and be totally comfortable. And
[00:52:26.960] I was I was like, man, I was like,
[00:52:31.440] there's like nobody I can do this with.
[00:52:33.920] Everybody has to talk all the time. So,
[00:52:37.040] you know, and I think you'll find that
[00:52:39.520] when you start doing your interviews is
[00:52:42.319] is they'll fill the silence. You won't
[00:52:45.440] have to.
[00:52:46.480] >> I could feel it sitting here when when
[00:52:50.559] we get a little quiet. Like I feel like
[00:52:53.680] maybe I talk now, but I'm but we had
[00:52:56.640] breakfast so I know, you know, that
[00:52:58.480] technique and I'm trying to to learn
[00:53:00.400] these things. Uh it was something that I
[00:53:03.440] just filed away is you said don't try to
[00:53:05.680] be relatable. That's a really
[00:53:07.359] interesting point
[00:53:09.359] is don't try to be relatable because
[00:53:10.960] it's you know trying to relate to the
[00:53:13.520] guest. You're just trying to have a
[00:53:14.720] conversation. You have to know anything
[00:53:16.079] about it whether I'm talking to a
[00:53:17.680] physicist or a ghost hunter. Who cares?
[00:53:19.760] Just tell them just tell me what's what
[00:53:21.440] you feel.
[00:53:22.400] >> And you're already interested in the
[00:53:24.800] topic. And so I think
[00:53:26.640] >> you know here we go. Oh, now I'm going
[00:53:28.000] to relate to you after I just said I
[00:53:29.440] don't relate to anybody. But, you know,
[00:53:31.119] I only I only take interviews that where
[00:53:34.800] I'm interested in the subject matter.
[00:53:37.119] And so, it's it's a genuine curiosity.
[00:53:40.559] And we've, you know, we've turned down a
[00:53:43.119] lot of big big names. I like I get
[00:53:46.720] scared. I get intimidated to interview
[00:53:50.160] athletes because I'm not into sports,
[00:53:53.200] you know, and and but I try it because I
[00:53:55.280] want to challenge myself. But but we'll
[00:53:57.839] get we'll get big big big big names that
[00:54:00.480] want to come on the show and I'm like,
[00:54:01.839] man, I just I don't know what to talk
[00:54:04.240] about with this person. I'm not I'm not
[00:54:06.559] interested. I know this would be great
[00:54:08.160] for the channel. I know it would be
[00:54:10.000] great for the show and it it would
[00:54:11.839] probably be huge numbers, but I'm just
[00:54:14.400] going to be sitting there because I'm
[00:54:15.839] not interested in anything this person
[00:54:17.599] has ever done. So,
[00:54:20.960] we're going to pass.
[00:54:22.640] >> Wow. you know, and uh and it's it's it's
[00:54:26.880] it's
[00:54:29.200] served me well, you know, and and um and
[00:54:32.640] in in a lot of the a lot of the all of
[00:54:34.960] the biggest interviews I've ever done,
[00:54:36.720] it's not it's not Trump. It's not
[00:54:41.359] Gavin Newsome. It's not these ginormous
[00:54:44.960] names that everybody knows. The biggest
[00:54:47.200] stories are the are the ones of everyday
[00:54:51.359] people who are doing extraordinary
[00:54:53.760] things who never get recognition or or
[00:54:57.280] or military,
[00:54:59.520] special ops, conventional
[00:55:02.480] guys that have have done the
[00:55:06.000] unfathomable.
[00:55:08.000] And those are the stories that my
[00:55:11.119] audience really resonate with the most.
[00:55:13.280] I mean, the biggest interview I ever did
[00:55:14.720] was Ryan Montgomery. He was a hacker who
[00:55:16.880] now tracks down pedophiles and and
[00:55:22.800] he he was he was the most he probably
[00:55:27.040] suffered from the most he had the most
[00:55:29.599] anxiety about coming on the show of
[00:55:31.280] anybody ever and made him comfortable.
[00:55:35.040] It's the biggest interview we've ever
[00:55:36.240] done. It's like almost 10 million views
[00:55:38.559] and when to get all the clips and shorts
[00:55:41.359] and all that stuff it's hundreds of
[00:55:42.880] millions of views.
[00:55:43.760] >> Why was he nervous?
[00:55:46.400] He's a tech guy. You know, one one thing
[00:55:48.799] about tech guys is
[00:55:50.640] >> we like I like to be in a in a small
[00:55:53.200] space alone with a machine. It's my
[00:55:55.839] comfort zone.
[00:55:56.720] >> Very unsure of himself.
[00:55:58.880] >> Doesn't like being around people.
[00:56:02.319] Smacked it out of the park. And um and
[00:56:06.880] so I don't know. I hope that I hope
[00:56:08.720] maybe that helps you a little bit. It
[00:56:10.079] does. Gives you some confidence in that.
[00:56:12.079] And the questions will come naturally
[00:56:13.599] when you're when you're just feeding
[00:56:15.440] your only your your your curiosity.
[00:56:18.400] >> I think that's the key. Um like when you
[00:56:21.280] just just a couple of days ago you had
[00:56:23.359] the that that CEO of the asteroid mining
[00:56:26.480] company. I watched all of that because
[00:56:30.000] you don't see him anywhere. But that was
[00:56:32.079] a fascinating I was I'm interested in
[00:56:33.680] all of those things. I looked at the
[00:56:34.799] chapters. I'm like, "Oh, I I guess I
[00:56:36.319] have to watch all of this because I like
[00:56:38.160] all that stuff." But you don't see him
[00:56:39.760] anywhere. Mhm.
[00:56:41.280] >> So that kind of stuff, you know, those
[00:56:43.040] are the the sorts of people that I would
[00:56:45.280] that I reach out to for my show. So that
[00:56:49.280] it doesn't matter if he's famous or not.
[00:56:50.799] I know that's going to be an interesting
[00:56:52.000] dude to talk to.
[00:56:53.359] >> I hope you do it. I hope
[00:56:55.200] >> the studio's all done. We're just
[00:56:56.480] waiting for me to have the balls.
[00:57:00.079] >> You've got them. Just do it, man. Just
[00:57:02.960] do it. And then the other thing that we
[00:57:04.480] both know is, you know, the audience
[00:57:06.079] loves to watch the progression of a
[00:57:08.880] channel, you know, and and so you're
[00:57:11.839] introducing something new and you're
[00:57:14.240] going to have to develop it and you're
[00:57:15.920] taking your audience on the journey with
[00:57:17.520] you. They're they're going to they're
[00:57:19.119] going to coach you. They're going to
[00:57:20.480] critique you and they're going to wish
[00:57:22.559] the best for you, you know, and and take
[00:57:25.359] that in. You know, that's that's
[00:57:28.160] interesting that you say that cuz um
[00:57:30.160] starting the channel is watching some
[00:57:32.720] consultant say, "You just got to start.
[00:57:35.440] Doesn't matter. Don't worry about your
[00:57:37.359] gear, your lighting, get your phone, and
[00:57:38.720] just start doing episodes. You're going
[00:57:40.000] to hate your first 20 episodes." And I
[00:57:42.240] remember going, "I'm I'm not going to
[00:57:43.760] hate my I'm going to be fine." And now
[00:57:45.839] my I just cringe at every like episode 1
[00:57:48.240] through 70. It's like I this How did
[00:57:50.240] anyone watch this? It's terrible. Um but
[00:57:53.920] the audience does respond to that. they
[00:57:56.480] go back and watch that old stuff saying,
[00:57:58.160] "You've come a long way, brother."
[00:57:59.839] >> Yeah, man.
[00:58:01.040] >> I take it as a compliment. And that's
[00:58:02.559] why I don't delete any of those old
[00:58:03.920] episodes and and so I'd love to delete a
[00:58:06.000] few of them, but it feels dishonest.
[00:58:08.559] Like a whole episode where I'm just
[00:58:10.960] completely out of focus. They're just
[00:58:12.640] the focus is just on the bulletin board,
[00:58:14.400] so you can't even see me. But I'm I'm
[00:58:16.319] just leaving it up there.
[00:58:18.640] >> Do you feel Do you feel I mean, you're a
[00:58:21.119] trutht teller and so I'm curious. Do you
[00:58:24.000] feel a responsibility that a that a a
[00:58:27.839] responsibility comes with truth
[00:58:29.839] truthtelling?
[00:58:31.599] >> I think I'm more of a storyteller and
[00:58:34.000] and maybe that's maybe that's a way for
[00:58:36.799] me to rationalize it because I I don't
[00:58:38.559] want to have I don't want to have the
[00:58:40.559] responsibility. I don't want any power.
[00:58:42.000] I don't want to I don't want to be a
[00:58:44.000] leader. I don't want to be any of that
[00:58:45.280] stuff. I just want to entertain people
[00:58:46.720] with fun stories um and just get them
[00:58:50.480] thinking differently or just cheer them
[00:58:52.640] up if they're having a bad day. Um my
[00:58:56.400] only responsibility I feel is if I if I
[00:59:00.000] do find a piece of a story that's not
[00:59:02.640] that well known
[00:59:04.720] and even if I cover something that's
[00:59:06.240] been covered a lot, I don't stop
[00:59:07.599] researching until I'm pretty convinced I
[00:59:09.280] can bring something new. like episodes
[00:59:12.319] like Crop Circles or even the
[00:59:13.359] Moonlanding. It's like people keep
[00:59:14.880] asking me to do these episodes. It's
[00:59:16.480] been these have been done since the 60s.
[00:59:18.960] >> Um, but they want it so I'll do it. But
[00:59:21.200] I won't stop researching until I find
[00:59:23.040] those nuggets that entertain me and go,
[00:59:25.520] "Oh, I didn't know that." So, I know the
[00:59:27.440] audience won't. So, I think that's I
[00:59:30.240] feel responsibility there. I got to find
[00:59:33.520] something new
[00:59:35.680] that for a story that's maybe known. And
[00:59:39.839] I don't hold back if I find something
[00:59:41.599] ugly. I just say it like this is I'm I'm
[00:59:45.280] reminded of the Montalk Project episode,
[00:59:48.640] which is uh the Montalk Project is this
[00:59:50.960] is like a time travel urban legend about
[00:59:54.400] um and Stranger Things is based on it
[00:59:56.720] out in Long Island. These experiments
[00:59:58.640] done on camp out in Camp Hero. You'd sit
[01:00:00.559] in a chair and you'd focus your psychic
[01:00:03.520] energy and travel through time, all this
[01:00:04.960] stuff. This is a military project, of
[01:00:06.480] course. And it was all based on uh a
[01:00:10.559] book and a series of books by Preston
[01:00:12.000] Nichols. So, I'm researching, I'm doing
[01:00:14.400] the episode, and I'm and I'm loving it
[01:00:16.160] cuz I I read Preston Nichols books when
[01:00:18.720] they came out, you know, after hearing
[01:00:20.160] about them on Art Bell. I'm doing the
[01:00:22.079] episode. It's coming along fine. And
[01:00:23.280] then I find out that um
[01:00:27.200] Preston Nichols was maybe inappropriate
[01:00:29.040] with a lot of young men. So at some
[01:00:31.760] point in the episode, it got kind of it
[01:00:34.319] started to get a little dark and I
[01:00:35.760] actually stopped
[01:00:37.599] in the episode and I said, "Look, I know
[01:00:40.319] you you have families watching. If you
[01:00:42.079] have kids watching, it's time to send
[01:00:43.680] them away." And I said, "Seriously,
[01:00:46.240] because I'm going to tell you the truth
[01:00:47.680] about this story." And then I told the
[01:00:50.480] truth about what I learned about Preston
[01:00:52.160] Nichols. Um, it's all alleged, but I
[01:00:55.920] said, "Here's what I found, and it's
[01:00:57.520] ugly."
[01:00:59.200] And kind of ruins the story. It
[01:01:02.000] certainly ruined the magic for me, but I
[01:01:04.160] felt a responsibility.
[01:01:08.079] >> I don't know.
[01:01:08.960] >> It's good you did that.
[01:01:10.160] >> I I I think it is. It felt like the
[01:01:12.960] right thing to do at the time,
[01:01:15.839] but um I don't know if if that's what
[01:01:19.040] the audience wanted. It's hard to tell,
[01:01:22.319] but I had to I had to say what was going
[01:01:24.000] on.
[01:01:25.599] And this was someone that I really
[01:01:26.880] respected.
[01:01:29.680] Too bad.
[01:01:31.200] >> Where did the Where did the hecklefish
[01:01:33.200] come from?
[01:01:34.000] >> I wanted a sidekick. I needed a
[01:01:36.400] sidekick. Um
[01:01:38.799] cuz echo fish is
[01:01:45.920] um those are available in the wildf
[01:01:47.839] tour. By the way, I'm not here to plug.
[01:01:49.680] Uh I think we're sold out. Anyways,
[01:01:52.319] uh I needed a sidekick because I I knew
[01:01:55.040] that some when I would talk about the
[01:01:56.400] weird topics and the conspiracy topics,
[01:01:59.280] you kind of need um a foil. I need
[01:02:02.799] someone to
[01:02:04.559] lighten the mood when it gets dark.
[01:02:06.960] He'll just come in with he'll just start
[01:02:08.640] singing a song or something and just
[01:02:10.160] like I'll ruin my train of thought, but
[01:02:13.119] it just lets the audience go, "Oh, it's
[01:02:15.040] just we're not taking it too seriously."
[01:02:17.119] All right. Yeah, we're talking about the
[01:02:19.520] CIA's throwing people out of the window.
[01:02:21.359] All right, that's that's the story. All
[01:02:22.799] right. Uh it happened for sure, but we
[01:02:26.799] can have a little fun along the way. But
[01:02:29.440] also, he serves as the voice of the
[01:02:31.200] audience. So if I'm saying something
[01:02:32.720] totally outrageous, I know that people
[01:02:34.880] watching are going to be going, "What
[01:02:36.400] are you talking about?" So if I'm like
[01:02:38.559] if I'm talking about quantum mechanics
[01:02:40.640] or quantum theory, he will hop in and
[01:02:44.000] call me Po Dexter and a nerd, you know,
[01:02:45.920] a nerd or whatever and say, "You know,
[01:02:48.240] some of us actually went to our prom. We
[01:02:50.000] didn't stay home and and write programs.
[01:02:51.760] So can you explain please what the
[01:02:53.760] double slit experiment is?" He serves as
[01:02:56.240] the standin for the audience and and a
[01:02:58.720] pressure release valve. genius.
[01:03:01.839] >> It was Jen's idea. I said, "I need I
[01:03:04.240] need a sidekick to just sit there." And
[01:03:05.920] she said, "Why don't you have a goldfish
[01:03:07.040] in a bowl?" I was like, "That's a good
[01:03:09.280] idea."
[01:03:10.240] >> Damn. When did uh when in the journey
[01:03:13.040] did he come was he born?
[01:03:14.960] >> Day one.
[01:03:15.359] >> Day one.
[01:03:15.920] >> Day one. And he's he's come a long way,
[01:03:18.799] too. He He's definitely had some face
[01:03:20.799] work done over the years. I guess the
[01:03:22.799] success he's got a good Botox guy cuz he
[01:03:25.440] was janky
[01:03:27.119] and and his voice changed a little bit
[01:03:29.119] over time. We kind of settled into our
[01:03:30.960] rhythm.
[01:03:32.319] >> Very cool.
[01:03:33.039] >> I hope people don't get sick of it
[01:03:34.400] because, you know, in re-watching my
[01:03:36.720] episodes to just refresh myself to come
[01:03:39.119] in here, which was just so hard to do.
[01:03:41.599] I'm watching I'm like, I've been doing
[01:03:42.799] the same thing for like four years, the
[01:03:45.839] same format, the same.
[01:03:48.400] So, I hope it continues to resonate.
[01:03:49.920] >> It works though. I I try to let it
[01:03:52.319] evolve in small ways, production value
[01:03:54.720] and music and sound and all of that, but
[01:03:57.119] it's still basically the same format,
[01:03:59.280] >> you know. I think um I'm with you. I've
[01:04:02.319] I'm always looking for ways to improve
[01:04:05.039] the show,
[01:04:06.880] bring it to the next level, and I I got
[01:04:09.680] to the point where we were just chasing
[01:04:11.599] our tails. It was, well, let's redo the
[01:04:14.000] thumbnails. Let's let's do this. Let's
[01:04:16.960] change the intro. Let's do let's take
[01:04:19.039] this out. let's put this in. And it it
[01:04:20.799] just got to the point where I was like,
[01:04:22.240] man, this is these are small minute
[01:04:24.079] moves. And I mean, we did just upgrade
[01:04:28.720] to the new studio, third guest here. But
[01:04:31.839] um
[01:04:32.319] >> this is bananas, by the way.
[01:04:33.760] >> Thank you.
[01:04:34.160] >> You should do a backstage tour of this
[01:04:37.200] facility.
[01:04:38.000] >> I I probably will eventually.
[01:04:39.680] >> Pretty crazy.
[01:04:40.559] >> But um but what what I did, you know, is
[01:04:43.520] is when I realized, all right, we're
[01:04:45.440] chasing our tail here. The show is
[01:04:47.119] great. It's got great visuals. And I set
[01:04:49.359] it up that way from the very beginning.
[01:04:51.760] And um and so what I did is is I started
[01:04:56.319] refocusing that energy into building new
[01:04:58.799] things because I mean I think we're uh
[01:05:02.000] I'm definitely a creative.
[01:05:05.039] You seem like a creative as well. And so
[01:05:07.359] I just took the
[01:05:09.760] I didn't know where to put my
[01:05:11.200] creativity. And so I started I started
[01:05:14.559] focusing on these businesses, you know,
[01:05:17.200] that that we're going to launch before
[01:05:18.960] the end of the year. And that those have
[01:05:22.160] become my new creative outlet because I
[01:05:24.160] just it just got to the point I was
[01:05:26.079] like, I don't know how to improve what I
[01:05:28.240] have. And I love what I have, but it's
[01:05:32.960] it's it's not feeding that creative
[01:05:35.599] outlet that I that I that I need and
[01:05:38.720] crave. And so I refocused that in into
[01:05:41.359] these other businesses and and the
[01:05:43.440] design of the studio and the shooting
[01:05:45.200] range and all everything that we have
[01:05:47.440] here. It was that was my creative outlet
[01:05:50.000] for about a year. Uh building this and
[01:05:52.720] making the best experience for the
[01:05:54.160] guests, for myself, for my team and then
[01:05:57.680] once that was designed then I started
[01:05:59.440] moving into the business stuff and that
[01:06:01.119] that's my new creative outlet.
[01:06:03.200] >> Do you think that focusing on the
[01:06:04.480] minutiae like you did because I've gone
[01:06:06.000] through that. Do you think that was
[01:06:07.839] trying to assuage my anxiety at the
[01:06:10.000] time?
[01:06:10.880] >> Probably
[01:06:11.599] >> because it is for me.
[01:06:14.000] >> We
[01:06:15.760] myself, my team, we run a,000 miles an
[01:06:18.400] hour all the time.
[01:06:20.400] >> You everyone here is amazing and really
[01:06:23.280] friendly, but it's I was talking about
[01:06:25.200] this with Jeremy who's incredible. What
[01:06:27.280] a find. Uh it's a tight ship here. Like
[01:06:31.920] you're hitting your marks and go take
[01:06:33.760] the photo and do all this stuff. there
[01:06:35.440] is a a system in place as family
[01:06:38.240] oriented and as fun as it is. I mean,
[01:06:40.160] it's super fun. Shooting a Winchester is
[01:06:42.480] is a highlight of my month. But, uh, but
[01:06:45.680] you're very organized here. I People
[01:06:48.880] compliment me on my studio when they
[01:06:50.319] come by. They're like, I've never seen
[01:06:51.359] anything like this. And I I I'm in here
[01:06:53.839] like, oh my goodness, I'm doing
[01:06:55.119] everything wrong and I've got so much
[01:06:57.200] more to do.
[01:06:58.880] >> Dude, you are doing everything right.
[01:07:00.720] >> If you saw my studio, you'd be like,
[01:07:02.559] "Yeah, grab a clipboard. We got to have
[01:07:04.720] some work. You know, I can help me with
[01:07:06.160] my grip. You can help me with my
[01:07:07.760] lighting as well.
[01:07:09.520] >> Right on. Right on. But well, let's
[01:07:12.960] let's move in. I want to talk about the
[01:07:14.960] moon landing. That was that was the
[01:07:17.280] first. So my editor, who you met, Darren
[01:07:22.400] knows all about this stuff and he's the
[01:07:24.720] one that got me interested in it. And so
[01:07:27.520] I started looking things up on the
[01:07:29.359] internet and came across you and I was
[01:07:33.200] like, "This is by far the best
[01:07:35.520] explanation I've ever heard." All it's
[01:07:38.000] all in there. At least I think it's all
[01:07:39.680] in there. And uh so I I want to dive in
[01:07:42.880] there. What What got you interested in
[01:07:44.799] the moon landing?
[01:07:46.640] >> Um that was an episode that people just
[01:07:50.160] demanded. I didn't want to do it because
[01:07:52.640] everyone's done the moonlanding. And I
[01:07:54.480] are you talking about the Stanley Kubric
[01:07:56.480] one? Because I've done a few Moon
[01:07:57.760] videos. I think I have a whole
[01:07:58.960] compilation.
[01:07:59.440] >> I probably watched all of them, but I I
[01:08:00.799] know the Stanley Kubri thing was in
[01:08:02.400] there. How the shadows don't align, but
[01:08:04.160] let's go into it. I want to I want to
[01:08:05.920] hear all of it.
[01:08:07.119] >> Um, so I debunked a lot of that
[01:08:09.599] moonlanding stuff. A lot of that episode
[01:08:12.240] is based on Bart Sabrell's
[01:08:15.839] uh Bart Sabrell, it it had a documentary
[01:08:19.120] quite a while ago, maybe 20 years. A
[01:08:21.199] funny thing happened on the way to the
[01:08:22.400] moon, I think is the name of it. And if
[01:08:24.400] you're into the moon stuff, that's the
[01:08:26.239] documentary to watch. And uh Bart's
[01:08:29.359] someone who who I trade email with who I
[01:08:32.960] told him I I'm as soon as I'm ready, I
[01:08:34.799] got to have you in here because he knows
[01:08:37.440] everything about it. But I debunked a
[01:08:39.839] lot of his stuff in the documentary. But
[01:08:42.799] I couldn't debunk all of it. There was a
[01:08:44.880] there were some weird things about um
[01:08:47.759] you know when you see the astronauts and
[01:08:49.199] you it looks like there's wires you know
[01:08:51.839] reflections off the wires. It's hard to
[01:08:53.679] explain that. I I tried to I said you
[01:08:56.400] know the way that that piece of
[01:08:59.600] equipment is it could be this but I
[01:09:03.279] agree it looks weird and the way the
[01:09:04.880] astronauts fall doesn't look natural but
[01:09:08.960] it's 16th gravity. It could be weird.
[01:09:12.400] You know, I try to be open-minded to all
[01:09:14.960] of it.
[01:09:16.799] It's an episode that
[01:09:20.080] still confounds me. I like I go back and
[01:09:23.920] forth depending on who I talk to about
[01:09:25.920] whether it really happened. And I think
[01:09:29.359] the percentage of Americans who don't
[01:09:30.880] believe that we went to the moon, it's
[01:09:32.239] just rising every year. Uh I hope I have
[01:09:36.319] nothing to do with that.
[01:09:38.799] >> I'm sure you have something to do with
[01:09:40.719] that. But, you know, they they they lost
[01:09:44.719] the tapes, all the original tapes of the
[01:09:47.199] moon landing. What what you watch when
[01:09:49.040] Neil Armstrong climbs off the the limb,
[01:09:51.839] one small step for man, that's not a
[01:09:54.400] direct feed from anything that that was
[01:09:57.520] that was projected on a wall in NASA and
[01:10:00.320] the networks put aimed their camera at
[01:10:03.040] the wall to get like this projection and
[01:10:05.760] the networks are like, "Hey, can we just
[01:10:07.040] get the direct feed because that would
[01:10:08.480] be a lot better." They're like, "No, no,
[01:10:10.719] this is we're going to do it this way."
[01:10:12.800] And then they they lost all those tapes.
[01:10:14.880] They they lost the telemetry.
[01:10:17.520] And when asked, "Why don't we go back?"
[01:10:20.000] NASA said, "Well, we can't replicate
[01:10:22.640] that technology. It's too difficult."
[01:10:24.560] >> Yeah. Isn't there like some some um
[01:10:28.960] I don't know what you call we can't get
[01:10:30.480] past a certain point supposedly. They
[01:10:32.400] said they
[01:10:33.440] >> I think it was your episode. They're
[01:10:34.560] like, "We lost the technology." It's
[01:10:36.480] like you you lost the technology to get
[01:10:40.239] us to the moon. You just happened to
[01:10:42.239] lose it.
[01:10:42.960] >> Nobody really
[01:10:43.920] >> Where did it go?
[01:10:44.960] >> They just lost it. Um you might be
[01:10:47.520] talking about the Van Allen radiation
[01:10:48.880] belt.
[01:10:49.360] >> That's it,
[01:10:49.840] >> right? Which is high velocity particles
[01:10:52.719] and it's just this energetic field that
[01:10:55.520] surrounds the Earth and is very
[01:10:56.719] dangerous. And if you're aware of
[01:10:59.199] something called the South Atlantic
[01:11:00.880] anomaly, it's this part of our geometric
[01:11:05.679] uh the geomagnetic field that is just
[01:11:08.400] it's burning a hole through it. If you
[01:11:10.400] if you look at it on on like an
[01:11:12.480] electromagnetic map, it's just a big
[01:11:14.080] hole. It's getting bigger and now it's
[01:11:16.320] starting to branch off into a second
[01:11:17.600] one. And nobody knows why that's
[01:11:19.600] happening. And
[01:11:23.199] geomagnetism and the pole shifts and all
[01:11:25.120] that. I can go down that rabbit hole too
[01:11:26.719] because all that stuff terrifies me.
[01:11:28.400] >> Do it.
[01:11:28.880] >> Solar radiation the and the grid going
[01:11:30.960] down, all that stuff terrifies me. Um,
[01:11:33.440] so the Van Allen radiation belts that
[01:11:35.840] you have NASA astronauts saying, "Oh, we
[01:11:38.000] think we found a way now that we can get
[01:11:40.080] out of, you know, high Earth orbit that
[01:11:42.640] we can finally get past the Van Allen
[01:11:44.320] radiation belts." Like, we already did
[01:11:46.640] that, man, didn't we? Didn't we do that
[01:11:49.679] 17 times or whatever? But they forgot.
[01:11:54.320] They didn't. They lost it. We can't
[01:11:55.840] replicate it.
[01:11:58.400] >> Unbelievable.
[01:11:59.679] >> I don't buy it.
[01:12:00.800] >> I don't buy it either.
[01:12:01.920] >> So, just let us know what's going on.
[01:12:04.239] >> On top of that, wasn't there was a space
[01:12:06.320] race or a race to the moon between us
[01:12:08.080] and Russia during the Cold War. Right.
[01:12:09.840] >> There was. And Russia was first to
[01:12:12.719] everything. We were behind on
[01:12:14.480] everything. Russia has first Sputnik
[01:12:17.520] goes up. Sputnik 2 goes. So, first man
[01:12:20.080] satellite in orbit. first man in orbit,
[01:12:23.280] first animal in orbit, first woman in
[01:12:24.880] orbit, first spacew walk, first uh
[01:12:27.920] geostationary satellites, all first
[01:12:29.679] first first. And we're falling behind.
[01:12:32.320] And you can hear JFK giving speeches,
[01:12:35.760] you know, and they're pressing him on it
[01:12:37.120] and like the Saturn program is not going
[01:12:39.120] well and the rockets are blowing up on
[01:12:41.679] the launch pads and he's he's saying
[01:12:44.159] like, "No matter how much money we throw
[01:12:45.600] at it, we're going to be second. We're
[01:12:46.880] going to be second." You can hear him
[01:12:48.159] talking about it. And then suddenly
[01:12:50.239] 1969, we're we're there. We surpass all
[01:12:53.440] of it. We surpass all of the Soviets
[01:12:55.920] accomplishments and we go and we land on
[01:12:58.320] the moon.
[01:13:00.800] Okay. Okay. It It seemed like we took a
[01:13:03.760] great leap forward there,
[01:13:06.560] but there's really no explanation for
[01:13:08.080] it.
[01:13:09.440] >> Did we? Yeah.
[01:13:11.360] >> Well, where do you stand on it?
[01:13:13.520] >> I'm like you. I go back and forth. I'm
[01:13:15.920] G. I mean, I wonder what I would think
[01:13:18.960] had we not been through COVID and all
[01:13:22.560] these other things, Epstein and all
[01:13:25.199] these other things that keep coming out
[01:13:27.679] that destroy any trust in any government
[01:13:32.159] institution there is. Every every COVID
[01:13:35.760] conspiracy that I talked about just came
[01:13:37.600] true. But
[01:13:41.120] I, you know, to me it was always
[01:13:42.560] obvious. And the big problem with that
[01:13:45.120] is and I you were vocal as well and I
[01:13:49.920] was very nerv nervous about my opinions
[01:13:51.840] on co but
[01:13:54.320] I hope that I didn't just get lucky. You
[01:13:56.239] know those of us that were doubting and
[01:13:58.080] those that thought it was just kind of a
[01:13:59.760] a power grab.
[01:14:01.840] I hope we didn't just get lucky because
[01:14:03.520] when the next pandemic comes and they
[01:14:05.360] want to do lockdowns, Americans are not
[01:14:06.960] going to do it. Even you know even like
[01:14:09.199] the middle of the road people are going
[01:14:10.400] to be like I can't do that again. I
[01:14:11.679] can't put my kids on Zoom again. I'm not
[01:14:13.360] doing it. And if it's a real pandemic
[01:14:15.360] like the Spanish flu or something, we're
[01:14:16.960] going to be in trouble.
[01:14:17.840] >> Or Ebola.
[01:14:18.719] >> Or Ebola,
[01:14:19.840] >> something something serious, man.
[01:14:22.080] >> So that's that's chickens coming home to
[01:14:23.840] roost when you're so secret. When
[01:14:25.760] there's such a lack of transparency,
[01:14:27.440] when it's so corrupt, you know, I
[01:14:29.520] understand that there needs to be some
[01:14:30.880] secrecy. Yeah, I attack FBI, CIA, and
[01:14:33.520] NSA all the time, but I still want them
[01:14:36.719] there. I still want them to have the
[01:14:38.640] tools that they need to do their jobs. I
[01:14:40.560] want America to be the most powerful
[01:14:42.000] country on the planet. I want us to have
[01:14:43.360] the best military in the world. I just
[01:14:44.960] don't want us to use it that often. But
[01:14:46.880] overall, I want transparency in what
[01:14:49.040] we're doing. And we don't have any of
[01:14:50.880] that.
[01:14:51.360] >> Mm- not one bit.
[01:14:53.600] >> So then there's going to be no trust.
[01:14:57.840] >> Now, if those things hadn't have
[01:14:59.440] happened,
[01:15:00.960] you know, it's interesting because I
[01:15:02.880] don't I don't know how much that
[01:15:04.719] affected my my psyche, you know what I
[01:15:08.080] mean? and and and now now it's like
[01:15:10.560] anything it gets to the point where it's
[01:15:13.199] like anything that is put out it's like
[01:15:16.159] you know
[01:15:18.320] that's a distraction that's [ __ ]
[01:15:21.440] that didn't happen there's no way that
[01:15:24.480] definitely happened and you're saying it
[01:15:26.159] didn't
[01:15:28.000] >> you know and and and you know and then
[01:15:30.719] and then the I mean [ __ ] it half of
[01:15:35.120] Trump's it appeared to Hey, there was a
[01:15:39.120] lot of chatter about releasing the
[01:15:40.960] Epstein files and all this other [ __ ]
[01:15:43.280] And then we get in there and it's like
[01:15:44.880] everybody's beating the same damn drum.
[01:15:46.960] Oh no, look over here. Oh, Russia Gate.
[01:15:50.719] And it's like, right, right, cuz we're
[01:15:53.600] we're diving into Russia Gate when the
[01:15:56.480] entire American population, both the
[01:15:58.719] right and the left, are screaming,
[01:16:00.239] "Release the Epstein files." But let's
[01:16:02.320] let's concentrate on this Russia. Let's
[01:16:04.560] let's concentrate on this, right?
[01:16:07.360] And when we're not I for two years I've
[01:16:10.000] been saying this and I get a lot of heat
[01:16:11.280] from it. We're not going to get the
[01:16:12.640] list. There's no list. We're not going
[01:16:14.320] to get it. It's everyone wants to talk
[01:16:16.640] about that. It's some it's some sex
[01:16:18.719] trafficking ring. That's part of it.
[01:16:20.480] It's a blackmail operation. It's a
[01:16:22.320] moneywashing operation for for the
[01:16:24.880] intelligence community that to connect
[01:16:27.360] the dots. Doesn't take any effort at all
[01:16:29.920] to you. I never talk about Msada on my
[01:16:32.640] show because I'm not stupid. But you can
[01:16:35.120] you can connect all these agencies to
[01:16:37.440] all this. Just follow the money.
[01:16:40.080] >> Somehow you Epstein is connected to Iron
[01:16:42.400] Contra, you know, just follow the money.
[01:16:44.640] >> How's he connected to Iron Contra? when
[01:16:47.040] he was I think he was an adviser for
[01:16:48.719] Adnan Kosigible back in the 80s who was
[01:16:50.800] like it's like an arms dealer slash
[01:16:53.679] asset you know wealthy family slash
[01:16:57.920] could move a lot of weapons around and a
[01:17:00.320] lot of cash around and I'm going to get
[01:17:02.080] a lot of things wrong today so
[01:17:05.040] my job is not to get everything right my
[01:17:06.640] job is to get you thinking and go find
[01:17:08.480] out
[01:17:10.080] so they needed to get cash and weapons
[01:17:13.520] we need to get weapons to Iran which he
[01:17:16.080] is illegal. Congress told them no, no,
[01:17:18.800] no. They passed law, law, law, and they
[01:17:20.640] just did it anyway. And we got to get
[01:17:22.640] cash to the to the Congress and we have
[01:17:26.560] to do it without Congress knowing,
[01:17:30.239] which isn't an ideal way to run a
[01:17:32.719] democracy, but so you need middlemen and
[01:17:36.000] Kosogi is is known as a middleman for
[01:17:38.719] for the IC and Epstein seems to be.
[01:17:42.800] And it's not like I'm the first to talk
[01:17:44.800] about this. You know,
[01:17:46.560] >> I've heard people who've met him, you
[01:17:48.719] know, people like Eric Weinstein, who
[01:17:51.199] who I who I like, tells his story about
[01:17:53.120] meeting Epstein and walked out of there
[01:17:54.560] feeling like he he's I don't think he's
[01:17:56.800] ever said it publicly
[01:17:58.880] that he felt like Epstein was part of
[01:18:00.560] the IC. He he said he felt like he was a
[01:18:04.719] manufactured personality
[01:18:08.480] and and he kind of hinted at there was
[01:18:11.280] someone kind of pulling his strings kind
[01:18:13.760] of kind of creating this facade.
[01:18:17.600] >> Interesting
[01:18:18.080] >> cuz here's a guy who had no he has I
[01:18:20.560] don't think he had a college degree and
[01:18:21.760] he ends up teaching math at age 20 at a
[01:18:24.960] at a wealthy school and just suddenly
[01:18:27.760] skyrockets through the finance game.
[01:18:30.640] doesn't doesn't add up. So, we're not
[01:18:32.159] going to learn because it's it would it
[01:18:34.239] would wreck all kinds of things.
[01:18:35.920] >> No matter it, they botched this so bad.
[01:18:38.560] They had all the, you know, influencer
[01:18:40.880] types up at the White House at the very
[01:18:42.800] the very beginning holding up the
[01:18:44.480] binders. Oh, we got it.
[01:18:45.920] >> I don't know whose idea that was, but
[01:18:47.280] that was such a disservice.
[01:18:48.880] >> What were they thinking? I mean, and
[01:18:51.600] then, you know, and then and then the
[01:18:53.679] distractions and diversions that have
[01:18:55.600] come up since. It's like you guys have
[01:18:58.320] botched this so bad. No matter what
[01:19:00.640] comes out, unless it is aligned with the
[01:19:03.520] wildest conspiracy you've ever heard of,
[01:19:06.960] nobody's going to believe it.
[01:19:08.239] >> Not going to believe it.
[01:19:09.040] >> Nobody's going to believe it.
[01:19:10.000] >> There was no tape, but then there was a
[01:19:11.679] tape. Or then there was a tape, but only
[01:19:14.320] Bill Barr saw the tape.
[01:19:16.080] >> Uh, Bill Bar's father, of course, is
[01:19:17.920] involved with Epstein and Golain.
[01:19:19.760] >> Oh, go figure.
[01:19:20.640] >> Go figure. But now there is a tape, but
[01:19:22.560] there's some minutes missing, which is a
[01:19:24.880] story we hear over and over, right?
[01:19:26.159] There's always minutes missing. Always
[01:19:27.760] the minutes are missing.
[01:19:29.360] >> So, I don't know. So, now we're at the
[01:19:31.920] point where we don't trust anybody
[01:19:34.159] >> and I don't follow it close enough. Um,
[01:19:38.320] like I talk about political issues a
[01:19:40.400] lot, but I'm not ideological.
[01:19:42.800] So,
[01:19:45.760] just a quick sidetrack. So, I get
[01:19:47.280] attacked quite a bit for being far-left
[01:19:50.560] and far right
[01:19:52.719] and for, you know, being ideological.
[01:19:55.280] And I keep saying I'm political, but I'm
[01:19:56.960] not ideological. Politics to me is
[01:19:59.840] governments and how they interact with
[01:20:01.199] society. That's what I'm interested in.
[01:20:02.960] So, I did this experiment. I the three
[01:20:05.920] major AI platforms. So, Google Gemini,
[01:20:08.320] Anthropic, Claude, and Open AAI chat
[01:20:10.640] GPT. I sent the same question in.
[01:20:12.400] Analyze all the W files episodes.
[01:20:14.080] Everything that AJ Gentiel has ever said
[01:20:15.920] publicly on every podcast, everything
[01:20:17.360] he's ever written, it's been published.
[01:20:19.040] Analyze all that and tell me, is he
[01:20:22.080] coming at these issues from the left or
[01:20:23.600] the right? All the AI platforms. And if
[01:20:25.840] you're listening to this, you do it
[01:20:26.960] yourself. Says there is no left or right
[01:20:29.840] bias in anything that I'm saying. I'm
[01:20:32.080] focused on truth, facts, research. I'm
[01:20:34.960] clearly anti-government,
[01:20:36.480] protransparency, anti-corruption,
[01:20:39.280] and that is where I come from. So when I
[01:20:42.719] talk about Epstein, I'm going to get
[01:20:44.480] attacked from from different sides. I
[01:20:46.719] don't know where this is. Is it a
[01:20:48.480] leftright issue? To me, it's it's not.
[01:20:50.960] It's a transparency corruption issue.
[01:20:52.880] You shouldn't matter if you're a
[01:20:54.000] Democrat or Republican, which which are
[01:20:56.000] fake now anyway.
[01:20:58.400] So, I don't know. I could be saying
[01:21:01.040] controversial things today to one side
[01:21:02.640] or the other. I just don't know which
[01:21:04.000] side until I get home.
[01:21:05.440] >> Yeah, it's a the media has a big say in
[01:21:07.840] that. You know, I got I got painted as
[01:21:11.360] this ultraright mega podcaster
[01:21:15.600] and I'm not I'm very middle of the road
[01:21:18.800] and so I had to I had to work my way out
[01:21:22.640] of that and we're doing it. But but
[01:21:25.360] yeah, you know, America's just become so
[01:21:27.280] tribalized, man. And it goes back to
[01:21:29.360] critical thinking. Nobody seems to have
[01:21:31.120] the the the fortitude to to critical
[01:21:35.600] think anymore. And so it's
[01:21:40.480] it it it if you say anything against one
[01:21:44.080] party or another, no matter whether it's
[01:21:46.560] if it's true, I mean in everything that
[01:21:49.520] we do, we we try to, you know, our best
[01:21:52.000] to bring truth and it's like, man, like
[01:21:56.320] you're not listening. You're not
[01:21:58.320] listening. like this is a fault of this
[01:22:00.800] specific party and you have wrapped your
[01:22:05.360] entire identity up into this [ __ ] and
[01:22:08.320] you're not [ __ ] listening. That's the
[01:22:11.679] problem is when you when your identity
[01:22:13.679] is your ideology, now you have a
[01:22:15.679] problem. Now you've created a bubble and
[01:22:17.920] you've got to protect that. So you can't
[01:22:19.920] you can't hear anything that goes
[01:22:22.239] against your identity. Your identity is
[01:22:25.360] is the party. That's a bad situation.
[01:22:29.440] >> You know, I say to my audience, if
[01:22:31.440] you're on the left and you think the
[01:22:32.480] right is the problem or you're on the
[01:22:34.239] right and you think the left is the
[01:22:35.440] problem, you're the problem. Cuz that is
[01:22:38.159] all theater. This is just to keep us
[01:22:40.560] spinning our wheels. We should instead
[01:22:42.400] of worrying about party politics because
[01:22:45.520] the establishment on the Republicans and
[01:22:47.760] the establishment Democrats want the
[01:22:49.280] same thing anyway. You know, they want
[01:22:50.800] big government war and all that stuff.
[01:22:53.120] But most of us don't want that stuff.
[01:22:54.960] Most of us are kind of in the middle of
[01:22:56.560] things. I I don't identify with either
[01:22:59.199] party. You know, I'm I'm I'm pro troops,
[01:23:02.320] pro- military, but anti-war.
[01:23:04.960] >> You know, I'm pro cop, very pro law
[01:23:07.120] enforcement, but I think we need we need
[01:23:09.440] reform. So, I I don't think I'm that
[01:23:13.600] unusual. I don't think those are
[01:23:14.719] controversial things. Pro-choice,
[01:23:17.920] pro-life, that's that's between you and
[01:23:20.639] God. I'm not involved in that. you know,
[01:23:22.719] I'm very libertarian and of those things
[01:23:25.360] and I I think we need to get away from
[01:23:27.360] the tribalism and start to look at
[01:23:28.880] individual issues and individual people
[01:23:31.440] and call out the corruption when we see
[01:23:33.040] it.
[01:23:34.400] I don't know how many politicians you've
[01:23:36.400] interviewed, but in you know, my career,
[01:23:38.320] I worked as a as a contractor in the
[01:23:41.040] engineering side for in politics for
[01:23:42.960] almost 20 years from local villages all
[01:23:45.280] the way up to having uh clients in
[01:23:47.040] Congress and met all these politicians,
[01:23:49.920] famous ones, name brand clients. These
[01:23:53.360] are just people. They're flawed. They're
[01:23:56.320] ambitious.
[01:23:58.080] Can't really be trusted, but they're all
[01:24:00.639] the same. Like I and we worked with
[01:24:04.800] party both parties and you'd have these
[01:24:06.880] meetings with Republicans and Democrats.
[01:24:08.480] It's just the same person on they just
[01:24:10.719] want to get reelected. They're going to
[01:24:11.840] say whatever they got to say to the
[01:24:13.040] base, get reelected. And I just feel
[01:24:15.360] like it's a smoke screen.
[01:24:17.040] >> WWE wrestling.
[01:24:18.880] >> That's what it is.
[01:24:19.440] >> That's what it is.
[01:24:20.159] >> That's what it is. And our system, it's
[01:24:22.159] such a shame because our system does not
[01:24:23.760] encourage the best and brightest to get
[01:24:25.280] involved. I'd never run for office. You
[01:24:28.000] said you they you were tried, they tried
[01:24:30.000] to recruit you. Mhm.
[01:24:31.679] >> No.
[01:24:32.239] >> Mhm.
[01:24:32.800] >> Yeah. You got a wife and kids.
[01:24:34.159] >> I think that's how they control you.
[01:24:37.120] I think that's also why we're seeing a
[01:24:39.040] lot of young, weak people
[01:24:43.440] get into office is because they're
[01:24:45.840] propped up and they know they're going
[01:24:47.600] to be very easy to control.
[01:24:50.960] >> Yes, that's what I think. And it's it's
[01:24:54.639] just through doing this, I see how easy
[01:24:56.639] it could be to fall into certain traps,
[01:24:59.280] take a favor from somebody that seems
[01:25:01.679] like, "Oh, I just want to I just want to
[01:25:03.760] help you." Like, "What are you, my
[01:25:05.440] [ __ ] parent?" No. No.
[01:25:07.840] >> I know what this is. You're going to do
[01:25:09.840] this and then 6 months later, you're
[01:25:11.840] going to ask me you're going to start
[01:25:12.960] asking me for favors and dangle that
[01:25:14.800] [ __ ] in front of my face. No, not doing
[01:25:17.040] it.
[01:25:17.360] >> Right. And if you don't do it, we'll
[01:25:18.639] just primary you or smear you. Or
[01:25:22.719] nowadays, we'll just lock you up. We'll
[01:25:24.960] just raid your wife's underwear drawer.
[01:25:26.800] We'll just we'll just turn the FBI on
[01:25:28.480] you.
[01:25:28.960] >> Yep. Yep.
[01:25:31.679] Well, let's talk about I want to talk
[01:25:33.280] about the hollow moon.
[01:25:34.800] >> Okay.
[01:25:35.280] >> Is the moon hollow? I have not dug into
[01:25:37.520] this. I I had a side conversation with
[01:25:39.679] Randall Carlson once and he's the one
[01:25:41.920] that brought it brought it up. I have
[01:25:43.600] not seen this episode on of yours. Uh,
[01:25:46.320] it's a fun one. That was uh Gino, my
[01:25:49.600] brother said, "You got to do this one."
[01:25:51.920] And I was like, "Hol Moon? That is
[01:25:53.840] nonsense." And then I'm I'm researching
[01:25:56.000] the episode and and I just start to
[01:25:58.480] realize that there's a lot of weird
[01:26:00.239] stuff about the moon. By the time I was
[01:26:02.320] done with the episode, I was convinced
[01:26:03.360] that it was hollow.
[01:26:05.520] But um there's a lot of weird things
[01:26:08.400] that have happened with the moon. Like
[01:26:09.679] first of all, the moon is too big to be
[01:26:11.920] here. It's just too big. We've never
[01:26:13.679] found another system in our solar system
[01:26:16.239] or any other that has this giant moon
[01:26:18.639] right next to us like this. This is uh
[01:26:20.560] totally unique. We haven't found a moon
[01:26:23.920] that has such a perfect orbit like this
[01:26:26.320] that also it the same side faces us all
[01:26:29.600] the way. We're a snowflake with this.
[01:26:33.440] Totally unique.
[01:26:35.040] >> So that's strange.
[01:26:36.159] >> No [ __ ] I didn't realize that. No, we
[01:26:38.320] haven't found
[01:26:39.280] >> the only moon that we know of that
[01:26:41.760] doesn't rotate.
[01:26:43.199] >> No, there are a few moons that are
[01:26:44.320] tightly locked like that.
[01:26:45.600] >> Okay.
[01:26:45.920] >> But there but but it's rare. But when
[01:26:48.560] you stack up all these coincidences, it
[01:26:51.840] starts to paint a picture like the moon
[01:26:53.440] is weird.
[01:26:54.880] >> Um, you know, a lot of people will point
[01:26:57.440] to the fact that the moon
[01:27:00.719] during the eclipse is like the perfect
[01:27:02.320] size to block out the sun because it's
[01:27:04.719] like a 400 to1 ratio. That's fair. But
[01:27:07.920] the moon at one point was a lot closer
[01:27:09.840] to the Earth and it's it's drifting
[01:27:11.440] away. So, at some point it's not going
[01:27:12.800] to be perfect anymore.
[01:27:15.920] But the moon um the far side is the
[01:27:20.400] crust is different, older, and much
[01:27:23.199] thicker and fewer impacts are on the far
[01:27:25.760] side that are on the near side. When you
[01:27:28.159] think it would be the opposite because
[01:27:29.360] that's kind of like should be grabbing
[01:27:31.920] things as they come in, but instead
[01:27:33.280] there's not as many impacts on that
[01:27:34.880] side.
[01:27:37.040] when um during one of the Apollo
[01:27:39.280] missions as a test, a seismic test, they
[01:27:41.760] crashed one of the rockets into the moon
[01:27:44.320] just to take readings, seismograph
[01:27:46.800] readings to see, you know, what was
[01:27:48.239] going on there. And the phrase is the
[01:27:51.920] moon rang like a bell for over an hour.
[01:27:55.280] So if you set off like seismic charges
[01:27:57.840] here to measure sound waves that go
[01:27:59.760] through the earth, as they go through
[01:28:01.199] the earth, they slow down. as they re go
[01:28:03.440] through all this dense matter and then
[01:28:04.800] through the through the mantle and the
[01:28:06.080] core like it just slows down. The moon
[01:28:08.960] they don't do that. The the sound waves
[01:28:10.960] sped up and started to bounce all around
[01:28:13.280] in there and started to to like
[01:28:15.040] reverberate for a long time.
[01:28:19.120] And no one could really explain that.
[01:28:22.080] Now the prevailing theory, the
[01:28:23.520] mainstream theory is that the moon is a
[01:28:26.400] lot less dense than the earth because it
[01:28:28.560] was created from the earth's crust and
[01:28:30.880] the upper mantle which is less dense
[01:28:32.560] which is why the moon is less dense. So
[01:28:34.800] the interiors has maybe some hollow
[01:28:36.800] spaces or it's just a less it's not
[01:28:39.520] quite as dense. That's why.
[01:28:42.960] Okay. But the sound waves bounced around
[01:28:45.600] for a long time. There was a long time.
[01:28:47.520] >> This is true.
[01:28:48.480] >> This is true.
[01:28:49.199] >> What what hit it again? It was they
[01:28:51.920] dropped one of the rocket boosters. They
[01:28:54.800] just crashed in there. But they did uh
[01:28:57.600] seismograph readings in subsequent
[01:28:59.679] missions there, you know, where they
[01:29:01.120] actually actually drop in like
[01:29:02.400] explosives, you know, control explosives
[01:29:04.560] and they just take the readings and see
[01:29:05.920] what happens to the sound waves. You
[01:29:07.679] know, it's a it's a normal scientific
[01:29:09.600] thing to do. I think they were just
[01:29:10.880] surprised.
[01:29:12.719] There's been a couple of NASA scientists
[01:29:14.320] who've even said it would make a lot
[01:29:17.120] more sense that the moon wasn't here
[01:29:19.360] than the fact that it is because there's
[01:29:21.920] so many strange things about it. And um
[01:29:25.360] we see light on the moon all the time.
[01:29:28.320] They're called um
[01:29:31.120] transient lunar phenomena. We just see
[01:29:33.360] these like just light flashes on the
[01:29:35.199] moon all the time. And if you have
[01:29:37.280] binoculars, you can even see this in one
[01:29:40.000] of the moon craters. which I think is
[01:29:41.199] the Arisarus crater. There's this blue
[01:29:44.320] glowing light that just appears from
[01:29:46.159] time to time and then goes away and then
[01:29:48.159] it appears again. They call it the blue
[01:29:49.679] gem.
[01:29:50.639] >> What?
[01:29:51.040] >> And you can see it. So, what's causing
[01:29:53.600] the light up there? Well, mainstream
[01:29:55.840] scientists will say, "Well, you're
[01:29:56.880] seeing flashes because the moon is it's
[01:29:58.960] a lot like glass. It's very glassy and
[01:30:01.040] reflective. So, you're seeing that. But
[01:30:02.960] we'll see light just like go across.
[01:30:04.719] You'll just see light zip across. And
[01:30:06.480] then what's the blue like in that in
[01:30:09.120] that same crater that we've been seeing
[01:30:10.719] since 17th century? It's it's Aristarus
[01:30:15.280] or Aristaris crater I think is how you
[01:30:17.199] say it. Blue light. What is that? And
[01:30:20.000] now they're seeing just very recently
[01:30:21.760] like this year these swirls of light and
[01:30:24.480] gases happening on the moon different
[01:30:25.920] place. They don't understand it. There
[01:30:27.760] was one point where the moon doesn't
[01:30:30.000] really have an atmosphere. It has a tiny
[01:30:31.440] one. Doesn't really have one but for a
[01:30:33.520] little while it did. there was just all
[01:30:35.199] this water vapor in the air on the moon
[01:30:36.960] that came from somewhere and then just
[01:30:38.800] disappeared. So, I don't know what that
[01:30:40.880] is.
[01:30:42.639] And then you've had people who have seen
[01:30:45.600] pictures like I've talked about Carl
[01:30:47.679] Wolf who was um US Air Force and he was
[01:30:50.159] like a technician.
[01:30:52.159] He basically the level is a copy repair
[01:30:55.199] man and he's called in to fix some
[01:30:57.440] imaging equipment at NASA or or Air
[01:31:00.639] Force wherever. And he walks in there
[01:31:02.880] and he's like an airman. He sees another
[01:31:04.560] young guy and he's like, "Oh, Carl, you
[01:31:05.840] got to see this." And Carl looks, he's
[01:31:07.679] like, "What am I looking at?" He's like,
[01:31:09.440] "This is the back side of the moon.
[01:31:10.719] There's like cities there and stuff.
[01:31:11.920] There's mushroom shaped things and
[01:31:14.080] towers and highways and all this stuff."
[01:31:17.040] Carl's like, "This is amazing. I can't
[01:31:18.719] believe it." And Carl said he went home.
[01:31:20.880] He told his wife and he said he was
[01:31:23.360] watching the news, waiting for this to
[01:31:24.719] show up on the news, but it never did.
[01:31:27.440] And you could see those photos
[01:31:29.280] allegedly. Um, and I used them in one of
[01:31:31.440] my episodes and that looks like it looks
[01:31:34.639] like a civilization on on the far side
[01:31:36.480] of the moon. Um, Carl unfortunately was
[01:31:41.280] met with an untimely death. He got hit
[01:31:42.880] by a car when he was riding his bike.
[01:31:44.400] So, we don't know much more from Carl,
[01:31:47.440] but he was part of the um the 2000
[01:31:52.239] so much.
[01:31:52.880] >> This crazy
[01:31:54.080] >> so much. When I did the killer patents
[01:31:56.080] episode, I ended it with all the like
[01:31:58.239] the free energy inventors that
[01:32:00.800] >> like the hydrogen car guy.
[01:32:02.880] >> He got he said he was poisoned. He said
[01:32:05.600] his to his he is having he's having like
[01:32:08.719] lunch with investors to like finally
[01:32:11.199] take his his car ran on water. This is
[01:32:13.920] Stanley Meyer. And uh he's not feeling
[01:32:17.199] well and he runs outside. He's like
[01:32:18.719] throwing up in the street and his his
[01:32:20.159] brother was his partner and and his
[01:32:22.000] brother's what's going on. That guy was
[01:32:23.360] poisoned and then he dies and that was
[01:32:24.800] the end of it. No more water car. Um,
[01:32:27.360] didn't we just have this kid who created
[01:32:29.360] plastene? He like took plastic and
[01:32:32.080] created fuel out of it and then he
[01:32:33.520] disappeared for a little while. I think
[01:32:34.719] he's back. Um, so it could be a
[01:32:37.840] conspiracy, but I'm going to look into
[01:32:39.120] him. But a lot of these inventors, so my
[01:32:42.080] favorite one is Sparky Sweet, who's
[01:32:43.679] worth looking into cuz he has video of
[01:32:46.400] all all this stuff like in his workshop.
[01:32:48.960] And you see he's got he's got voltmeters
[01:32:50.880] and stuff and all this energy is
[01:32:52.159] created. And he takes his camera around.
[01:32:53.520] He's like, "Look, nothing is plugged in.
[01:32:55.600] Nothing is plugged in." And it caught
[01:32:57.360] the attention of someone in in in
[01:32:59.760] military somewhere who said, "I'm going
[01:33:02.400] to I want to be your partner and we'll
[01:33:03.760] take this wide or whatever." And he
[01:33:05.920] worked with this guy for a while. And
[01:33:07.120] then at some point, black van shows up.
[01:33:10.239] Couple of guys in suits have a
[01:33:12.000] conversation with Sparky and his wife.
[01:33:13.679] They go away. And then he has a heart
[01:33:15.199] attack. And that's that's really the end
[01:33:17.040] of it. all his all his research was
[01:33:18.880] taken, everything was seized because and
[01:33:21.679] that's that's how it works.
[01:33:22.960] >> But that's what happened with Nicola
[01:33:24.320] Tesla too, right? Did they they seized
[01:33:26.239] all 80 boxes of research?
[01:33:29.600] >> So when he died when he he died the um
[01:33:33.760] it wasn't the FBI at the time, although
[01:33:36.080] the FBI was there. It was like the the
[01:33:38.000] office of of alien alien property or
[01:33:40.400] something, whatever agency's in charge
[01:33:42.080] of foreigners. He died and within hours
[01:33:46.560] they were in his room. This is at the
[01:33:48.480] New Yorker hotel and they seized 80
[01:33:52.239] boxes of his research all all kind of
[01:33:54.639] research plans and
[01:33:58.239] cuz it's you know it's national security
[01:34:00.239] and they held on to it for months and
[01:34:01.840] months and they finally returned his
[01:34:04.239] property to his nephew but 20 boxes were
[01:34:06.800] missing. So in those boxes allegedly and
[01:34:10.480] this is this falls under project Nick is
[01:34:14.639] Tesla's research into direct energy
[01:34:16.480] weapons to DWS which was very hot with
[01:34:20.400] uh military at the time with DARPA and
[01:34:23.040] all of that.
[01:34:24.800] We still don't know what's happened to
[01:34:26.080] those boxes, but we do know that they
[01:34:28.880] were researching things based on Tesla's
[01:34:32.080] research
[01:34:33.600] and and the the formula, the the sort of
[01:34:38.080] the architecture for the HARP project up
[01:34:40.719] in Alaska. A lot of that comes from
[01:34:43.120] Tesla's research. And it took me a quite
[01:34:46.480] a while to connect the dots, but you
[01:34:48.560] will find
[01:34:50.880] missing Tesla's missing work suddenly
[01:34:53.280] shows up in patents from this from this
[01:34:56.000] guy somewhere in Alaska. I forget his
[01:34:58.000] name. And out of the blue, he lands a a
[01:35:00.560] contract with the DoD for a lot of
[01:35:03.280] money. And they build a facility in uh
[01:35:05.760] in Fairbanks, Alaska.
[01:35:08.159] And it's it's it's just an array of
[01:35:11.360] antennas in a small building. And it
[01:35:13.120] cost a fortune. Like it where' the money
[01:35:15.679] how where' the money go? Cost a fortune.
[01:35:18.719] And what it does is it it ionizes and
[01:35:24.159] creates plasma in the atmosphere. And
[01:35:26.560] they say this we use this to test the
[01:35:28.560] atmosphere.
[01:35:30.320] But it could also be used for all kinds
[01:35:32.800] of processes. What Tesla wanted to do is
[01:35:35.840] create free energy by exciting the
[01:35:38.159] ionosphere. That was that was what he
[01:35:39.600] was doing with Warden Cliff Tower. But
[01:35:42.480] um he needed funding to do that and he
[01:35:46.320] couldn't get any funding. JP Morgan was
[01:35:49.280] his patron and he told um JP Morgan, I
[01:35:52.560] need, do you see it in his letter? I
[01:35:54.080] need a sum of money. He he needed like
[01:35:55.920] $200,000 to get this project going. And
[01:35:59.360] JP Morgan said, "Well, you're building
[01:36:01.360] wireless communication. What do you need
[01:36:02.960] all this money for?" And Tesla's like,
[01:36:04.159] "No, no, no. Wireless communication. I
[01:36:06.239] got that. We're going to do wireless
[01:36:07.920] energy. We're going to do wireless free
[01:36:09.760] energy for everyone on the planet can
[01:36:11.600] just tap into this and you just get free
[01:36:13.679] electricity. And JP Morgan says, "Well,
[01:36:16.320] how do you put a meter on that?"
[01:36:18.960] JP Morgan JP Morgan owned
[01:36:23.199] copper mines that made copper wire. He
[01:36:25.440] owned rubber farms all over the world
[01:36:27.040] that made insulation for the wire. He
[01:36:28.960] owned a lumber mills and forests that
[01:36:32.080] created poles for wire. He owned coal
[01:36:35.360] factories. He owned machine shops that
[01:36:37.199] created generators for electricity. And
[01:36:39.199] he owned railroads that brought all this
[01:36:41.120] stuff around the country. Free energy
[01:36:43.199] shuts that whole business down. We don't
[01:36:44.800] need any of that. Cargi, we don't need
[01:36:46.960] any of that. The Melon family, we don't
[01:36:48.960] need you guys anymore. It's just free.
[01:36:51.520] Imagine what the world would be like if
[01:36:52.960] energy was just free.
[01:36:55.360] >> That's the golden age.
[01:36:57.360] >> Yeah. We're not going to live to see it.
[01:36:59.040] >> Nope. Nope. Wow. Wow.
[01:37:04.080] I think I went off on a few tangents,
[01:37:05.600] but
[01:37:06.239] >> have you Have you ever looked into the
[01:37:07.679] flat earth stuff?
[01:37:08.800] >> I have. I'm not a flat-earther.
[01:37:10.719] >> Me either.
[01:37:11.600] >> You know, I don't even want to do an
[01:37:13.199] episode on it because to me it's it's so
[01:37:15.199] ridiculous. Uh but people do request it.
[01:37:19.119] And me calling it ridiculous, I'm going
[01:37:20.639] to get a lot of hate for it. But but I
[01:37:23.679] can handle the hate from the
[01:37:24.560] flatearthers. That that's fine. But I do
[01:37:27.360] like the theory. Like you on YouTube,
[01:37:30.639] you're not going to find much flat earth
[01:37:32.080] stuff. That's that is suppressed. But if
[01:37:34.239] you go land on Rumble and search Flat
[01:37:35.920] Earth,
[01:37:36.239] >> why do you think they suppress it?
[01:37:38.400] >> Uh
[01:37:40.400] there's there's some stuff we'd have to
[01:37:42.000] talk about off air, but there are there
[01:37:44.320] are subjects
[01:37:46.080] that YouTube will just not allow you to
[01:37:48.960] >> to discuss. Um,
[01:37:52.080] so I, you know, I I don't I can't say
[01:37:53.840] specifically because I made a promise to
[01:37:56.239] someone to not tell, but if you look at
[01:37:59.199] a couple of my demonetized videos,
[01:38:01.520] you'll see that they're kind of soft
[01:38:03.760] softball. Like, why is this demonetized?
[01:38:06.239] Go look at those. Those are no no topics
[01:38:08.880] that I didn't know until it was too
[01:38:11.119] long. I was like, why is this
[01:38:11.920] demonetized? Like, I can't talk about
[01:38:13.760] that. I'm like,
[01:38:16.320] everything's true in here. I debunk most
[01:38:17.920] of it. Like, can't even talk about it at
[01:38:19.440] all. true or not. So flat earth, they
[01:38:21.440] don't like that one. But if you go on
[01:38:23.119] Rumble and spend like two, three, four
[01:38:25.040] hours just watching those videos, you
[01:38:27.040] walk away like a It could be.
[01:38:29.040] >> There's some compelling stuff.
[01:38:30.480] >> Good stuff.
[01:38:31.199] >> There are some compelling arguments.
[01:38:33.280] Yeah,
[01:38:33.600] >> I will say Article. He's got a point.
[01:38:37.520] >> Damn. Damn. What do you think? So, back
[01:38:40.159] to Nicola Tesla. What do you think about
[01:38:41.600] the pyramids?
[01:38:42.880] >> Oh, what were they?
[01:38:45.360] >> So, guns to my head. I I think they were
[01:38:47.679] used to generate energy. I think there's
[01:38:49.840] a lot of evidence for it. You know, for
[01:38:51.679] people interested in it, uh, they can
[01:38:53.199] look into Christopher Dunn's work who's
[01:38:54.639] done he's done the research, the
[01:38:56.480] definitive research on the pyramid power
[01:38:58.239] plant theory. Tesla was fascinated by
[01:39:00.800] the pyramids, not so much for energy,
[01:39:02.880] but for um, how they were constructed,
[01:39:05.600] how they're constructed to true north
[01:39:06.880] and all of that. He was fascinated by
[01:39:08.239] the engineering of it. But his free
[01:39:11.520] energy device,
[01:39:13.679] a lot of that engineering can be seen in
[01:39:16.080] the pyramid. So Warden Cliff Tower was
[01:39:18.320] his facility on Long Island, which is
[01:39:20.159] big, just a big tower. It looks like a
[01:39:22.480] water tower, but it's built over an
[01:39:24.639] aquifer. And what Tesla was trying to do
[01:39:26.960] was use
[01:39:28.800] the water creates this deep resonant
[01:39:32.080] sound that resonates with the Earth's
[01:39:34.080] natural frequency. Everything has a
[01:39:35.679] resonant frequency where the earth, this
[01:39:38.080] chair, our bodies, everything does. And
[01:39:41.040] if you can come into harmony with that
[01:39:43.760] frequency, it will expand. It will
[01:39:47.440] amplify.
[01:39:49.360] And there's been research that certain
[01:39:51.920] wavelengths broadcast at the Great
[01:39:53.360] Pyramid will amplify that
[01:39:54.880] electromagnetic energy. It's around 200
[01:39:57.119] m, I think. So Tesla is fascinated with
[01:40:01.040] that engineering.
[01:40:02.960] But the pyramid power plant theory is a
[01:40:05.360] lot like Tesla's technology. The the the
[01:40:08.320] Giza plateau, there is an aquifer under
[01:40:10.159] there. There's a lot of water under
[01:40:11.360] there and that water would create this
[01:40:14.719] resonant frequency and they found copper
[01:40:17.760] rods that go down there that would help
[01:40:19.920] bring up some some of the electricity or
[01:40:22.480] however it worked.
[01:40:24.880] And then in the pyramid at the various
[01:40:27.040] chambers there's residue of certain
[01:40:28.960] chemicals that when combined create a
[01:40:31.440] lot of hydrogen like a lot like the
[01:40:34.320] violent reaction of hydrogen. So coming
[01:40:36.560] down from the queen's chamber and then
[01:40:39.600] it might be I I forget the other chamber
[01:40:42.239] but they're built in a way so they come
[01:40:44.320] down you use gravity and you just pour
[01:40:46.320] these chemicals down creates this
[01:40:48.400] hydrogen reaction which we know creates
[01:40:50.480] there's residue of these chemicals there
[01:40:52.159] not this is not a conspiracy theory the
[01:40:55.119] hydrogen expands comes up through the
[01:40:57.679] gallery which is this this sort of this
[01:41:00.400] big hallway that goes up to the king's
[01:41:02.000] chamber and they've discovered that in
[01:41:04.239] the grand gallery there used to be these
[01:41:06.320] wooden posts or some kind of wooden sort
[01:41:10.159] of flat wooden things and those were
[01:41:14.080] those would create sound. It's called a
[01:41:15.840] Helmhulse resonator. Like when you blow
[01:41:17.679] across a bottle goes that air is a
[01:41:20.560] Helmos resonator. So this hydrogen would
[01:41:22.800] come up through the chamber. These
[01:41:24.239] things would resonate with sound. The F#
[01:41:27.119] chord specifically and that would cause
[01:41:29.520] it to build up more and more and more.
[01:41:31.679] The hydrogen expands.
[01:41:34.000] This chamber is built out of rose
[01:41:35.600] granite, which is an unusual type of
[01:41:37.280] granite because it's densely made of
[01:41:39.199] quartz. And when you compress quartz, it
[01:41:42.080] creates electricity. It's called pio
[01:41:43.600] electricity. And if you have a lot of
[01:41:46.320] quartz, you can create a lot of
[01:41:47.440] electricity. There's been experiments
[01:41:49.360] done where if it's a mountain of quartz,
[01:41:51.280] it creates something like 10 million
[01:41:52.800] volts. Like creates a lot of power. So
[01:41:55.760] you've got this, you've got the hydrogen
[01:41:59.600] expanding, creating this electricity.
[01:42:01.600] It's ionizing the air, amplifying it
[01:42:03.520] more. You've got the sound coming
[01:42:04.960] through, amplifying it more. And then
[01:42:06.880] you've got this this hole leading into
[01:42:09.440] the king's chamber that's 4.8 in x 8.4
[01:42:12.560] in, which is the perfect size for a
[01:42:15.280] hydrogen atoms microwave to just fit
[01:42:18.239] through as a wave guide. Comes up into
[01:42:20.320] the king's chamber. And the king's
[01:42:22.639] chamber has these pillars and on top of
[01:42:25.840] it a bunch of stones that are stacked.
[01:42:27.520] Everything is really smooth except the
[01:42:29.600] top is really rough.
[01:42:31.840] And forever they thought that this was
[01:42:34.159] they called this the relieving stones
[01:42:36.159] that these would relieve the pressure of
[01:42:39.199] the pyramids but they're not connected
[01:42:41.119] to anything. So there there's no
[01:42:42.560] pressure there. But what they found is
[01:42:46.239] that
[01:42:48.239] this creates
[01:42:50.400] music creates this chord.
[01:42:53.280] And what the theory is is it's rough on
[01:42:55.199] top because they would chip away at it
[01:42:56.800] and tune it until it was just about
[01:42:58.639] right. And that's why it's smooth on the
[01:43:00.159] bottom and rough on the top.
[01:43:02.639] And if you had So you've got all this
[01:43:04.880] energy. So how do we get it out?
[01:43:07.920] Well, when the pyramids were new or you
[01:43:11.280] know intact,
[01:43:13.360] the interior is made out of a certain
[01:43:14.960] type of limestone
[01:43:16.800] that
[01:43:19.040] electricity can move around in. The
[01:43:21.920] exterior is made out of a different kind
[01:43:23.440] of limestone called tur limestone which
[01:43:25.520] is quaried from far far away and brought
[01:43:28.080] in
[01:43:28.639] >> way down the Nile right
[01:43:29.920] >> way down hundreds of miles away like
[01:43:32.560] you'll hear Zia talk about the limestone
[01:43:34.960] on the pyramid but he never talks about
[01:43:36.400] the tour limestone or the rose granite
[01:43:38.639] so there all these different why not
[01:43:40.159] just build the whole thing out of out of
[01:43:41.440] the same rocks that are right here why
[01:43:44.239] it the bring the tour limestone to Giza
[01:43:46.880] is like bringing the 100 ton blocks up
[01:43:50.400] the coast of Florida. It's like that
[01:43:52.400] far, but it's a special type of
[01:43:54.800] limestone that's very low in magnesium.
[01:43:56.800] It won't It's a great insulator. So,
[01:43:59.119] you've got this electricity and then
[01:44:01.040] you've got sort of this conductor and
[01:44:03.199] then you've got another insulator
[01:44:05.840] and that's called a dialectric and that
[01:44:07.600] creates even more power. And if you had
[01:44:09.600] a gold capstone on top, which is a great
[01:44:12.000] conductor, you can force that energy up
[01:44:14.639] through the capstone and up into the
[01:44:16.320] ionosphere. And that's what Nicola Tesla
[01:44:18.000] is trying to do. It's the same
[01:44:19.440] technology.
[01:44:20.960] Where I get stuck is I love all of that
[01:44:23.520] and I'm by I buy it, but we don't see
[01:44:25.920] any evidence of what they did with the
[01:44:27.520] power. So some the people who are really
[01:44:31.280] into it will say, "Well, the obelisks at
[01:44:33.280] one time also had metal capstones, so
[01:44:36.159] they would be receivers." Okay, but
[01:44:38.800] still what did they do with it? You
[01:44:40.400] know, there's no computers. There's no
[01:44:42.400] light bulbs. They ancient Egyptians
[01:44:44.480] didn't work with glass. So what did they
[01:44:45.840] do with it?
[01:44:47.679] My guess is the Egyptians didn't build
[01:44:50.000] any of this is the reason that we don't
[01:44:52.560] see any evidence of what the Egyptians
[01:44:53.920] did with power is because they didn't
[01:44:55.199] use it for power. I think the Egyptians
[01:44:57.440] just found it and they said, "Wow, this
[01:44:59.600] is crazy. This gods must have made
[01:45:02.159] this." And it just became sort of this,
[01:45:05.360] you know, religious type of structure.
[01:45:07.920] It's not It's supposed to be the tomb
[01:45:10.639] for Kufu, but no mummy's ever been found
[01:45:13.679] in a pyramid. They've never found any of
[01:45:16.320] that. Now,
[01:45:17.600] >> wow.
[01:45:18.400] >> Egyptologists will say, "Well, they they
[01:45:20.000] were robbed. The the mummies were there,
[01:45:21.840] but they were taken out." All right.
[01:45:23.840] Well, there's no evidence of any of
[01:45:25.199] that, but there is evidence of zinc
[01:45:27.600] chloride at one side and hydrochloric
[01:45:29.760] acid on another side and sulfuric acid
[01:45:32.480] here, and there's an inch of salt that
[01:45:34.800] would up and down this chamber that
[01:45:36.960] would be the result of a chemical
[01:45:38.239] reaction. There's evidence of an
[01:45:40.159] explosion at some point on all this
[01:45:42.400] stuff. You can look up. You don't have
[01:45:43.520] to believe what I'm saying. I'm not
[01:45:45.440] trying to convince anybody. I'm just
[01:45:46.800] saying these things are true and I'm
[01:45:48.719] just connecting the dots for my
[01:45:50.239] entertainment, but you can go look at
[01:45:52.159] them and make your up your own mind.
[01:45:54.239] >> Damn. So, you think they found them?
[01:45:57.040] >> I think they found him. I think they
[01:45:58.159] were there for a long time.
[01:45:59.360] >> So, what do you think that was? Previous
[01:46:01.199] civilizations?
[01:46:02.480] >> Previous civilizations? I I I'm not an
[01:46:04.719] alien guy.
[01:46:06.080] >> You're not an alien guy?
[01:46:07.360] >> Not really, because I can't wrap my mind
[01:46:09.600] around
[01:46:11.520] crossing the distances of space. so far
[01:46:16.080] like we can't space is so big that the
[01:46:18.560] human mind can't even we can't
[01:46:20.239] comprehend it.
[01:46:21.040] >> Mhm.
[01:46:22.159] >> You know, like so we've got this comet
[01:46:24.080] threeey atlas just zipping into the
[01:46:26.480] solar system now. It's the fastest
[01:46:28.560] object we've ever found. It's like
[01:46:31.040] 135,000 mph. We've never seen a comet
[01:46:33.600] move this fast. It's still going to take
[01:46:35.360] 6 months to get through. So if things
[01:46:37.760] are it's that big. So, I can't get my
[01:46:40.560] mind around
[01:46:42.320] aliens. What? Wormholes folding space.
[01:46:46.159] It's I can't get my mind around it. But
[01:46:49.360] something's going on. I we I've seen
[01:46:52.560] I've seen videos. Most, you know, I
[01:46:54.480] don't believe the I don't believe the
[01:46:55.920] the whistleblowers. I don't believe
[01:46:57.440] anyone from Air Force Intelligence. I
[01:46:59.119] don't believe any of that. I If you have
[01:47:00.639] a book out, I I don't believe what
[01:47:02.560] you're saying. If you're cleared by the
[01:47:04.080] DoD,
[01:47:05.440] >> I definitely don't.
[01:47:06.560] >> I definitely don't. If you still have
[01:47:08.960] clearance and you're still a contractor
[01:47:10.639] and you you're still working with the
[01:47:12.159] OD, I can't you're not a whistleblower,
[01:47:15.119] you're doing PR. So, with all due
[01:47:18.320] respect, I don't believe you guys. Um,
[01:47:21.360] Matthew Brown, I think his last name is
[01:47:23.040] Brown. He's kind of a compelling
[01:47:24.159] whistleblower because he doesn't go over
[01:47:26.159] the top. He just says, "I found evidence
[01:47:28.719] of, you know, something going on in
[01:47:30.400] space." And that's really all he says.
[01:47:33.679] So, as far as the ancient civilizations,
[01:47:36.639] you know, I I don't go as far as like
[01:47:39.199] Graham Hancock might go where there's an
[01:47:41.679] ancient advanced civilization. I don't
[01:47:43.040] want to put words in his mouth cuz I'm
[01:47:44.400] cuz I'm a huge admirer, huge fan. I made
[01:47:47.360] at least 10 videos based around his
[01:47:49.040] research. But, um,
[01:47:52.800] but in geological time,
[01:47:56.159] the earth, the surface of the earth just
[01:47:58.159] turns itself inside and out every few
[01:48:00.560] million years. So the earth we're
[01:48:03.040] standing on now just wasn't here 10
[01:48:04.880] million years ago. There's only a couple
[01:48:06.320] of places on the planet that still have
[01:48:07.920] exposed rock that's 4 billion years old.
[01:48:10.960] There's only it's I think Jack Hill in
[01:48:12.639] Australia and then
[01:48:14.960] somewhere in uh in can like West Canada.
[01:48:17.440] Everything else is pretty new. So if
[01:48:19.520] there was a civilization, it's very easy
[01:48:21.040] for it just to get folded into just the
[01:48:23.840] tectonic activity of the earth
[01:48:26.960] and perhaps the pyramid survived that.
[01:48:29.760] You know, when we see the the pictures
[01:48:31.760] of the discovery of the Sphinx, it was
[01:48:33.760] buried. You know, they didn't just walk
[01:48:35.679] up and see a sphinx there. They saw like
[01:48:37.360] the top of a head and they're like,
[01:48:38.400] "What's this?" And they dug all that
[01:48:40.239] out. And then on there, we see evidence
[01:48:42.639] of high volume, high pressure water flow
[01:48:46.400] and water erosion. It's kind of hard to
[01:48:49.440] discount that now, which they did for
[01:48:51.119] years. It's hard to discount it. When
[01:48:52.960] you look at Robert Shock's work and some
[01:48:54.719] and Randall Carlson's work,
[01:48:57.199] >> it's to me it's not debatable. It's It's
[01:48:59.679] right there.
[01:49:00.480] >> Mhm.
[01:49:01.760] >> We're also on Easter Island.
[01:49:03.600] >> Easter Island.
[01:49:04.480] >> Those There's those heads that
[01:49:06.320] >> the Moai heads. People don't realize
[01:49:08.560] those heads have bodies. So, you see all
[01:49:12.000] these heads sticking up? They have They
[01:49:14.239] have bodies. So, first of all, Easter
[01:49:17.600] Island is in the middle of nowhere. If
[01:49:19.280] you look at it on Google Earth, good
[01:49:21.040] luck. You'll never find it. You have to
[01:49:22.800] you have to type it in and then pull
[01:49:25.199] back and see how in the middle of
[01:49:27.199] nowhere this place is. So you've got
[01:49:29.679] these statues that are I don't know 80
[01:49:31.840] tons or whatever. So either there's a
[01:49:35.520] thousand of them on the island. So
[01:49:37.600] either
[01:49:38.080] >> there's a thousand
[01:49:39.040] >> thousand of those. So either they dug
[01:49:40.800] these holes and dropped in a giant
[01:49:43.360] statue and then filled it in or the
[01:49:47.199] statues were there and then the earth
[01:49:48.639] came and filled on top of it.
[01:49:51.920] I don't know. You know, I'm not there.
[01:49:54.239] There's a lot of mud flood conspiracy
[01:49:56.000] theorists. I'm not one of those.
[01:49:58.639] But if those statues are really old, the
[01:50:01.840] earth has changed quite a bit in that
[01:50:03.600] time. I don't know why they're buried.
[01:50:05.119] Nobody does. And at one point, Easter
[01:50:07.040] Island had 25,000 people living on it.
[01:50:09.040] It's a whole society and it's only, you
[01:50:11.199] know, a few square miles, tiny little
[01:50:13.040] triangle.
[01:50:13.760] >> Man, I did not realize that. I'd love to
[01:50:16.719] go there sometime, you know. But aren't
[01:50:18.639] all these Stonehenge, the Pyramids,
[01:50:22.239] Machu Picchu, Easter Island. I know
[01:50:25.520] there's more that I'm not that I can't
[01:50:27.760] remember right now. But aren't all these
[01:50:29.520] things like on they're like a perfect
[01:50:32.239] line, right?
[01:50:33.360] >> Yeah. There's the layline theory that um
[01:50:36.400] there are these lines of energy that go
[01:50:38.960] around the earth and where these points
[01:50:41.920] where these lines intersect are high
[01:50:43.679] energy points and that's where these
[01:50:46.159] ancient sites are and they're pretty
[01:50:48.159] close but when you look at the layline
[01:50:50.719] maps you can make it look like anything.
[01:50:52.719] I've seen layline maps that look like
[01:50:54.639] just
[01:50:57.119] lines everywhere like you can make you
[01:50:59.119] you can make anything fit.
[01:51:01.920] So, I'm not I'm not totally convinced on
[01:51:03.840] the way I'm
[01:51:04.480] >> gotcha. I'm not that in in touch with
[01:51:07.360] it, but it's it's just Have you looked
[01:51:09.840] into Stonehenge at all?
[01:51:11.199] >> A little bit.
[01:51:12.159] >> What's going on there? What do you think
[01:51:13.600] that is?
[01:51:14.880] >> Uh, I really just think it was It wasn't
[01:51:18.239] Druids.
[01:51:20.239] It was definitely an ancient culture,
[01:51:22.239] but they had pretty advanced
[01:51:24.000] engineering. And that that whole
[01:51:25.760] compound is is really big. Like, it's
[01:51:28.480] more than just the stones that we see.
[01:51:30.239] It's it's a whole perimeter. And then
[01:51:32.080] there's another um site not too far from
[01:51:35.119] it that's even bigger, but there's not
[01:51:37.840] really stones there anymore. But this
[01:51:39.199] was a giant compound.
[01:51:42.320] But these these stones line up so well
[01:51:44.880] with with equinoxes that it shows that
[01:51:47.840] there's some type of advanced
[01:51:49.199] engineering. And it doesn't sound that
[01:51:51.440] impressive until you until you realize
[01:51:53.840] that when you ask someone what an
[01:51:55.599] equinox is. Kind of what I was taught
[01:51:58.320] was it's when the day and night are the
[01:52:00.639] same length. That's an equinox. But
[01:52:02.080] that's not what it is. That's an equal
[01:52:03.760] lux. That when day and night are equal
[01:52:06.320] is different for everybody on the planet
[01:52:07.920] depending on where you are. An equinox
[01:52:09.840] is when the sun is perfectly over the
[01:52:11.679] equator
[01:52:13.280] around the earth. So, whoever built
[01:52:15.280] Stonehenge were lining up the stones to
[01:52:18.639] match when the sun was perfectly over
[01:52:20.320] the equator, but they're not supposed to
[01:52:22.080] know about the equator.
[01:52:24.400] So, how did they do that, man?
[01:52:28.239] >> So, you can if you get into the
[01:52:30.080] numerology of the of the pyramids, it's
[01:52:31.840] the same thing. If you take the height
[01:52:33.520] of the pyramid and multiply it by
[01:52:34.880] 43,200, it turns out to be the polar
[01:52:37.440] radius of the Earth. And then take the
[01:52:38.880] perimeter, multiply it by 43,200,
[01:52:41.520] and it becomes the circumference of the
[01:52:43.040] Earth.
[01:52:44.159] it. It's very easy to dismiss that, but
[01:52:46.800] I find it interesting.
[01:52:49.360] A lot of coincidences are just that, but
[01:52:52.719] in those are some interesting
[01:52:55.520] threads to pull. And that's what I
[01:52:57.520] that's what I do is I just pull the
[01:52:59.040] threads and I lay it out like this. I
[01:53:01.520] tell it as excited as I am cuz I'm
[01:53:03.440] fascinated. I'm not saying I believe
[01:53:05.760] hardly any of it. I'm just giving you
[01:53:07.840] what I've found.
[01:53:11.280] You've looked into remote viewing, too.
[01:53:13.440] >> Very much.
[01:53:14.000] >> I wasn't planning on going here, but I
[01:53:16.320] So, I dove into remote viewing and then
[01:53:18.480] Joe McMongle, Angela Ford, uh, Colonel
[01:53:23.679] John Alexander,
[01:53:25.920] who am I missing? Skip Atwater. I've had
[01:53:28.960] a uh Edwin May. Had them all on cuz I I
[01:53:34.400] So,
[01:53:34.800] >> these are big names.
[01:53:35.840] >> Yeah. Backstory.
[01:53:38.239] I was telling you about my friend uh in
[01:53:40.800] the road rage incident, right? And we
[01:53:43.360] had contracted, you know, we were
[01:53:44.880] contracting at the agency together and I
[01:53:46.800] remember way after we got we got really
[01:53:49.440] close after after we were there
[01:53:53.119] and uh he had mentioned that he had seen
[01:53:57.360] remote viewers show up at station in one
[01:54:00.400] of the countries that we were at.
[01:54:02.239] >> Interesting.
[01:54:02.639] >> And I was like, what the [ __ ] is a
[01:54:04.320] remote viewer?
[01:54:05.119] >> What year is this? This was probably
[01:54:08.560] somewhere in between
[01:54:10.800] 2010
[01:54:12.480] and 2015.
[01:54:13.440] >> Oh, so Stargate has already has been
[01:54:14.880] shut down 20 years.
[01:54:15.840] >> Yep. Long time after. And so we started
[01:54:20.159] having these chats and he was kind of
[01:54:21.760] schooling me up on what they are. And I
[01:54:23.599] was like, "Are you sure?" And he's like,
[01:54:25.599] "Yes,
[01:54:27.119] I'm 100% sure he's not a conspiracy
[01:54:30.719] guy." So I started diving into it and I
[01:54:33.679] had first guy I had on was uh actually
[01:54:36.639] this guy Sean Webb who introduced me to
[01:54:39.679] Joe McMonagle and Sean had gone through
[01:54:41.760] the Monroe Institute and was tell he was
[01:54:44.000] like my first guy that that was telling
[01:54:46.719] me how it worked and the Hemisync and
[01:54:48.639] all this the envelopes and
[01:54:50.400] >> army army military intelligence went
[01:54:52.400] through that whole program.
[01:54:53.760] >> Yeah.
[01:54:54.080] >> Oh yeah.
[01:54:54.719] >> I'm very familiar with it at this point.
[01:54:58.080] But you did I think it was you. I I
[01:55:00.320] think I used one of your episodes for my
[01:55:02.239] research actually and Joe hid remote
[01:55:06.000] viewed
[01:55:08.080] um
[01:55:09.840] some type of
[01:55:12.159] extraterrestrial type facility in
[01:55:15.040] Alaska. Was that was that your episode?
[01:55:17.360] >> It's probably Pat Price. Pat Price saw
[01:55:21.119] under Mount Hayes.
[01:55:22.639] >> That's it.
[01:55:24.080] >> That's it.
[01:55:24.719] >> Mount Mother Effan Hayes he likes to
[01:55:26.639] call it. Uh Pat Price is he's the most
[01:55:30.159] believable remote viewer to me. He
[01:55:31.760] fascinates me. But uh but the but the
[01:55:34.800] OGs are are Joe McMongle, Ingo Swan, and
[01:55:37.920] Pat Price, who like those are like the
[01:55:40.000] original guys from from Sri.
[01:55:42.800] Um which is Russell Tar and Hal Putoff
[01:55:45.840] ran that program.
[01:55:47.840] Uh who are probably getable. I'd like to
[01:55:49.920] see Hal on your show.
[01:55:51.360] >> I'd love to get Hal on my show.
[01:55:53.280] >> Yep. He he was very entertaining on
[01:55:55.520] Rogan, but I also made the point that
[01:55:58.080] Hal put off has been connected to
[01:56:00.719] disinformation.
[01:56:02.320] So, you got to take everything with a
[01:56:03.920] grain of salt.
[01:56:04.639] >> Mhm.
[01:56:06.159] >> Remote viewing, I think there might be
[01:56:07.760] something to it. Most of it, I think, is
[01:56:09.360] nonsense. Most of it, I think, is like
[01:56:11.119] strip mall psychic stuff. Joe McMonicle
[01:56:13.760] definitely saw some things and you sat
[01:56:16.960] here with him. He's a nononsense guy and
[01:56:20.560] I think he kind of downplays it, but
[01:56:22.239] this is a war hero. You know, he was he
[01:56:24.400] was a a rockstar in Vietnam and he I
[01:56:27.040] think he has a near-death experience and
[01:56:28.639] then he has these abilities and he's
[01:56:31.520] definitely found some things. I think he
[01:56:33.119] was the one who found the the the Soviet
[01:56:35.520] sub.
[01:56:36.080] >> That's him.
[01:56:36.719] >> Yeah,
[01:56:37.040] >> that was the first big thing,
[01:56:38.800] >> right?
[01:56:40.159] But uh but Pat Price was so um Pat Price
[01:56:43.679] was a he was a retired like police chief
[01:56:46.000] from Burbank, California. And he was
[01:56:48.080] known in the department of just being
[01:56:51.040] good at solving crimes and he you know
[01:56:53.679] he just kind of knew where the body was
[01:56:55.040] or he knew where this this guy was or
[01:56:56.880] that and he he just thought like he was
[01:56:58.880] just his hunches were strong. So he
[01:57:01.840] retired and had a little bit more time
[01:57:03.280] to just kind of relax
[01:57:05.440] and
[01:57:07.040] focus on his talent and he just started
[01:57:09.199] to actually see that he had an ability.
[01:57:13.119] So he was Pat Price is he saw um in the
[01:57:18.159] Soviet Union
[01:57:20.239] giant crane on like railroad tracks that
[01:57:23.040] you would never even just make up but he
[01:57:25.360] saw that and that it was verified with
[01:57:27.599] you know with spy fl spy plane that that
[01:57:30.080] they saw that that that was real with
[01:57:32.480] Pat Price. So he had so many of of those
[01:57:36.080] that um and CIA just pulled him in. They
[01:57:39.840] just they pulled him out of SRI and he
[01:57:41.679] really wasn't looking to do that. So he
[01:57:44.480] goes over there and he he he's dead
[01:57:47.440] pretty soon after. He's you know he
[01:57:49.119] bumps into somebody in in the lobby of a
[01:57:51.599] hotel in Las Vegas. He feels a pinch on
[01:57:54.080] his arm, goes up to his room, calls his
[01:57:56.159] wife, and he's he's dead by morning. Um,
[01:57:59.360] when Pat Price remote viewed into Mount
[01:58:02.639] Hayes, saw a joint alien US military
[01:58:06.880] operation inside the mountain and he put
[01:58:10.320] the files together. And I think from
[01:58:12.480] there he gave the files to Hal, who then
[01:58:14.880] gave them to Skip. I could have the
[01:58:16.880] timeline wrong, but it's something like
[01:58:18.080] that. Like Pat didn't pursue it. He he
[01:58:20.000] he gave it over to the people he
[01:58:21.840] trusted.
[01:58:23.840] And um I don't know if they
[01:58:27.520] had anyone who can go and follow up with
[01:58:30.719] what Pat saw cuz he was really talented,
[01:58:34.159] but SRRI taught taught a lot of people
[01:58:37.119] to do it. You know that they had a
[01:58:39.119] secretary there that they were like,
[01:58:41.679] "Let's just teach her to do it and see
[01:58:43.119] if she can do it." And she like found a
[01:58:45.760] Soviet plane that went down in the Congo
[01:58:47.920] with like within two miles of accuracy.
[01:58:49.679] It's such a weird story. Um,
[01:58:53.199] so you know with someone like Joe, if if
[01:58:56.560] he's going to do 20,000 viewings, he's
[01:58:59.040] going to get some right and he's but
[01:59:00.800] most of his stuff is wrong.
[01:59:03.840] So we tend to cherrypick the good stuff.
[01:59:05.840] >> Mhm.
[01:59:06.159] >> But it doesn't discount it completely.
[01:59:08.560] >> Yeah. That's what Edwin May told me. He
[01:59:11.199] said I think he said and I can't
[01:59:13.199] remember the number but I think I think
[01:59:15.599] it may have been around 40%. He says, he
[01:59:18.239] said, "Yeah, you know, he's like, you
[01:59:20.080] none of this can be
[01:59:22.639] it has to be proven for it to be like a
[01:59:25.520] win." And because we were talking about
[01:59:27.280] the the pyramids on Mars that Joe had
[01:59:30.320] remote viewed and he's like,
[01:59:33.119] he was like, "Joe was only right, I'm
[01:59:35.760] not correct on this. It's it's maybe
[01:59:38.480] lower, maybe a little. It's probably
[01:59:40.560] lower if it's not this number, but he
[01:59:42.400] said Joe was only right 40% of the
[01:59:44.639] time."
[01:59:44.960] >> That's a lot.
[01:59:45.679] >> Can't prove it. then it's you cannot
[01:59:50.400] take it as fact.
[01:59:51.920] >> Right. He said he saw all those tall
[01:59:54.400] beings on Mars,
[01:59:55.920] >> but he didn't know what he was viewing.
[01:59:58.000] He just got coordinates.
[01:59:59.119] >> Mhm.
[01:59:59.679] >> And then they open the envelope and it's
[02:00:01.280] Mars 1 million BC.
[02:00:03.280] >> Yeah.
[02:00:04.080] >> Which is a great story, but it's hard to
[02:00:06.400] verify that.
[02:00:07.280] >> Yeah.
[02:00:07.679] >> But Ingos Swan's another one who remote
[02:00:09.679] viewed the moon and saw aliens up there
[02:00:13.280] and he said, "Aliens are not our
[02:00:14.800] friends." So he went up up to the far
[02:00:16.880] side and he said, "Yeah, there are bases
[02:00:18.239] up there. They're watching us. They're
[02:00:19.599] all over it."
[02:00:20.480] >> Man, that's crazy to think about, isn't
[02:00:22.320] it?
[02:00:24.480] But all right, let's take a quick break.
[02:00:26.800] When we come back, I want to hit Patriot
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[02:03:45.840] All right, AJ, we're back from the
[02:03:47.360] break. We're getting ready to dive into
[02:03:49.440] the Patriot Act. So, I know you just
[02:03:52.000] came out with a video on this. I
[02:03:53.840] purposely have not watched it cuz I just
[02:03:56.320] wanted to I wanted this to be 100%
[02:03:58.480] organic. So, but it's something that
[02:04:01.920] I've been interested. It seems to be
[02:04:03.599] resurfacing right now with AI and all
[02:04:06.400] this other stuff. So, in fact, I better
[02:04:09.040] grab a sesh for this one.
[02:04:10.400] >> Say,
[02:04:12.159] >> but
[02:04:14.159] what got you interested in the topic?
[02:04:15.679] How'd it pop up on your radar? Cuz it's
[02:04:17.280] been going on for a long time.
[02:04:18.480] >> Been going on for a while. It popped up
[02:04:19.760] on my radar for when I was doing an
[02:04:22.000] episode about
[02:04:23.840] 33 Thomas Street, which is the Long
[02:04:25.920] Lines building.
[02:04:29.119] >> But the the what building?
[02:04:30.400] >> The Long Lines building. It's the AT&T
[02:04:32.159] Long Lines building. 33 Thomas Street,
[02:04:33.920] New York, cenamed Titan Point.
[02:04:37.599] And it
[02:04:40.159] New Yorkers will know this building.
[02:04:41.679] It's the weirdest building you'll ever
[02:04:43.040] see. It has no windows, just has exhaust
[02:04:46.000] vents. It's no lights. So when when it's
[02:04:50.239] night time in the city, you've got all
[02:04:51.599] the the lights on the skyline and you
[02:04:53.119] just got this void for 32 Thomas. It's
[02:04:55.679] very strange building. And all you hear
[02:04:57.199] is the exhaust.
[02:04:59.840] And the lobby is looks normal until you
[02:05:02.719] get up kind of close and it's like, wow,
[02:05:04.080] there's a lot of security here. you
[02:05:06.320] can't get in there. So, it's code named
[02:05:09.679] Titan Point,
[02:05:11.599] which we learned from the Edward Snowden
[02:05:13.360] documents.
[02:05:14.880] And it turned out that this is one of
[02:05:16.239] the facilities, one of one of several,
[02:05:18.080] but this is a big one that was capturing
[02:05:22.000] all of our
[02:05:24.159] phone calls. You know, they talk about,
[02:05:25.840] well, it's just metadata, but that's
[02:05:28.800] metadata is enough because metadata
[02:05:30.400] includes who you're calling, what time,
[02:05:33.119] where they are, your location. So you
[02:05:35.760] could be totally tracked and it helps
[02:05:38.000] them create that network which the
[02:05:39.920] Patriot Act allows where if you're a
[02:05:43.199] person of interest, anyone you
[02:05:45.280] communicate with is automatically a
[02:05:46.960] person of interest and it just is a
[02:05:48.800] geometric progression.
[02:05:51.119] So when I was doing that episode, I was
[02:05:52.639] really just wanted to cover the weird
[02:05:54.320] building and you know what NSA was doing
[02:05:58.639] there capturing the records
[02:06:01.520] and I just started to get emotional
[02:06:02.880] because
[02:06:04.719] whenever I can I just play James Clapper
[02:06:07.679] lying to Congress, you know, whenever I
[02:06:09.360] can when um when he's asked, "So can you
[02:06:12.960] confirm that we're not that NSA is not
[02:06:15.040] capturing millions or hundreds of
[02:06:17.440] millions of Americans records?" And he
[02:06:19.440] says, "No, sure." Or, "No, sir. We're
[02:06:21.599] not, you know, intentionally." Or
[02:06:24.080] something like that. And then later he
[02:06:25.440] says, "Well, I told the most truthful,
[02:06:28.880] you know, least truthful, whatever it
[02:06:30.960] was." And then eventually had to
[02:06:32.719] apologize
[02:06:34.239] because the Snowden documents revealed
[02:06:37.040] they were capturing everything. So it's
[02:06:39.119] not just metadata. They were doing whole
[02:06:42.000] capture of phone calls, all kinds of
[02:06:44.560] stuff. NSA was embedded inside of Google
[02:06:48.159] and Yahoo and Microsoft
[02:06:50.800] so that everything on like your Google
[02:06:52.480] Drive was accessible. If you look at the
[02:06:54.960] PowerPoint, the engineers are so
[02:06:57.360] excited. They have like emojis and
[02:06:58.800] smiley faces like we got it. We, you
[02:07:00.320] know, we finally got into Google.
[02:07:04.239] So that's that was probably the first
[02:07:06.000] episode that got me really
[02:07:08.400] thinking, okay, every so often I'm going
[02:07:10.560] to do a government corruption,
[02:07:12.320] government transparency episode. try to
[02:07:14.480] make it fun, but but the point is, you
[02:07:16.480] know, do not trust them. They are
[02:07:18.560] constantly lying to us.
[02:07:21.360] And um and there's no regard to the
[02:07:24.320] Constitution at all. Now, the Patriot
[02:07:26.880] Act for for me, it's kind of weird
[02:07:28.719] because I'm a New Yorker. I was there
[02:07:30.480] for 911
[02:07:32.239] and it's very emotional for New Yorkers
[02:07:34.480] that were there still still very
[02:07:36.159] emotional. Um, you know, I had I had a
[02:07:39.280] friend who was who was a fireman there
[02:07:40.639] as part of cleanup and he was just he
[02:07:42.719] was a broken man after that. Just
[02:07:44.320] completely broken.
[02:07:46.800] And uh my brother had friends in in one
[02:07:49.440] of the towers that came down.
[02:07:51.920] So So it's it's close to us. So I
[02:07:54.880] remember I was all in with whatever we
[02:07:58.079] got to do to get these guys
[02:08:00.239] >> patri let's do it.
[02:08:05.040] We we kind of expanded the government's
[02:08:07.440] powers a lot there and it seemed like it
[02:08:10.480] happened pretty quickly. So you've got
[02:08:12.639] 9/11 and the Patriot Act is signed I
[02:08:15.199] think like Octo October 16th or 20 like
[02:08:18.000] it was like four six weeks that they got
[02:08:20.000] this giant bill together. So either they
[02:08:23.119] had some really smart lawyers or this
[02:08:24.719] was kind of hanging around like and here
[02:08:27.280] was an opportunity to do it. Mhm.
[02:08:28.800] >> And that leads into the 9/11 conspiracy,
[02:08:30.639] which kind of makes sense, which I don't
[02:08:32.800] go into on my show. Um,
[02:08:36.560] >> why don't you go into that? because it's
[02:08:38.560] it's a taboo topic and it's it's
[02:08:40.560] emotionally charged and the bad guys
[02:08:43.920] are, you know, the bad guys are the
[02:08:45.760] government and we
[02:08:49.920] if we learn that that 9/11 really was an
[02:08:53.199] inside job.
[02:08:56.320] I don't know how that doesn't really
[02:08:58.320] challenge your patriotism. Now, I
[02:09:00.239] consider myself a patriot. I love my
[02:09:01.760] country. I just I don't like the people
[02:09:03.040] that run it. Um,
[02:09:06.800] I like the Constitution and the Bill of
[02:09:08.400] Rights. I really like those. And I'm
[02:09:10.239] very libertarian,
[02:09:12.480] borderline anarchist
[02:09:15.119] in a in a political sense. Not like
[02:09:16.960] craziness, meaning like I I don't think
[02:09:19.280] we need much government for anything.
[02:09:21.920] Keep us safe abroad,
[02:09:24.560] domestically, keep it local. That's kind
[02:09:26.960] of how I feel. I think the federal
[02:09:28.480] government's way too involved in our
[02:09:30.000] lives in every different level.
[02:09:31.360] >> I'm with you. But the Patriot Act
[02:09:35.360] violates the First Amendment in a few
[02:09:36.960] different ways. You know, free speech is
[02:09:39.840] gone. So if you if you if you say
[02:09:43.920] anything that's
[02:09:46.239] considered dangerous or explosive,
[02:09:48.000] suddenly you're on a list. And then
[02:09:51.520] you can be gag ordered. So that's prior
[02:09:54.800] restraint. You can't do that. Then
[02:09:57.199] you've got the Fourth Amendment
[02:09:58.320] violations where illegal search and
[02:10:00.639] seizure. can't search through Americans
[02:10:02.960] without probable cause. You just can't.
[02:10:05.199] But the Patriot Act says you no longer
[02:10:07.040] need probable cause. You just need to be
[02:10:08.880] relevant. So if you're relevant to an
[02:10:11.520] investigation, then we don't need a
[02:10:14.400] warrant. We can just look into your
[02:10:16.159] files. And and this gets renewed time
[02:10:18.239] and time again. So it's not a left,
[02:10:19.920] right, Democrat, Republican. They just
[02:10:22.560] keep these are sunset clauses that keep
[02:10:25.599] keep getting resigned. I forget the
[02:10:27.840] numbers offhand, but 215 is certainly
[02:10:29.599] one of them.
[02:10:33.199] And the Patriot Act is mostly used for
[02:10:37.280] finding drug dealers. It's not really
[02:10:38.880] used for terrorism. It never never
[02:10:40.960] really was. We don't really know if it
[02:10:43.199] ever stopped anything.
[02:10:45.520] And then, you know, the IC and the
[02:10:47.760] government will say, "Well, you don't
[02:10:48.960] you don't know cuz we can't tell you,
[02:10:50.320] but we we stopped this or that." Well,
[02:10:52.560] but did you though? At some point, you
[02:10:54.159] have to tell us if it worked because we
[02:10:56.079] need to decide if we still want to do
[02:10:57.520] this because you're encroaching on a
[02:10:59.040] First Amendment right. our fourth, our
[02:11:00.639] fifth amendment due pro due process
[02:11:03.679] habius corpus.
[02:11:06.639] And I thought this was just supposed to
[02:11:09.440] be for like foreign agents, but now if
[02:11:12.400] an American is on the phone with someone
[02:11:14.480] who's a for who's a foreign national,
[02:11:17.599] now this American is wrapped up in the
[02:11:19.199] Patriot Act when what should happen is
[02:11:21.920] as soon as as soon as who's ever
[02:11:24.400] surveile foreigners all you want. I
[02:11:26.239] don't care.
[02:11:27.440] >> Leave my leave my citizens alone. So as
[02:11:29.440] soon as you find out, well, all right,
[02:11:30.880] this person of interest is on the phone
[02:11:33.280] with an American, well then then it
[02:11:34.880] stops. Now we have to bring this out of
[02:11:37.119] the Patriot Act and put it into our
[02:11:38.719] legal system and have a judge look at it
[02:11:41.199] and all of that. Not a FISA court rubber
[02:11:43.520] stamp where FISA is like 99.97%
[02:11:47.360] just get yes, go whatever you got to do.
[02:11:51.040] That's that's another violation of
[02:11:52.639] separation of powers. You have no
[02:11:54.480] oversight.
[02:11:58.159] It just seems like
[02:12:00.719] doesn't seem like it's what it is. You
[02:12:02.480] know, it's interesting too because if
[02:12:04.560] they were doing that
[02:12:08.880] with all the just one aspect and you
[02:12:12.159] know all the mass shootings that are
[02:12:13.760] happening, if they were really
[02:12:15.520] surveilling everybody,
[02:12:18.880] don't you think those people maybe have
[02:12:21.440] had some type of communication or or I
[02:12:24.079] mean it's it's it's been proven, right?
[02:12:25.760] There's been things on Facebook. There's
[02:12:27.360] been things on Instagram that
[02:12:29.360] >> if they're on there, they're definitely
[02:12:30.800] in text messagings and voice calls and
[02:12:34.880] all of that stuff. Unless they want that
[02:12:37.760] stuff to happen. Maybe they do. Maybe.
[02:12:40.480] Maybe. Who knows? Maybe they use it
[02:12:42.480] against the Second Amendment. Well,
[02:12:44.239] let's rather than even speculate, let's
[02:12:46.320] look at an actual case where
[02:12:50.000] at some point, I don't remember when,
[02:12:51.760] during the Biden administration,
[02:12:52.960] remember you had all these parents that
[02:12:54.239] were that were protesting about whatever
[02:12:57.599] trans issues or whatever they were. I'm
[02:13:00.400] not interested in that. Uh, believe what
[02:13:02.880] you want to believe on that issue.
[02:13:03.920] That's none of my business. What I care
[02:13:05.440] about is
[02:13:07.520] the administration worked with a group
[02:13:09.599] to write a letter to the president to
[02:13:12.560] designate these Americans as potential
[02:13:15.199] domestic terrorists and use the Patriot
[02:13:17.040] Act to surveil them and gather records
[02:13:18.719] on them and look into them. That's we
[02:13:21.520] can't have that. I I don't know why
[02:13:23.040] there was an outrage over that. is these
[02:13:25.920] are Americans from from the jump. So the
[02:13:29.360] Patriot Act shouldn't apply, but it does
[02:13:32.639] and no one really challenges it. I I
[02:13:35.199] don't think anyone even really talks
[02:13:36.639] about this that much.
[02:13:38.079] >> I've never heard about it. Um,
[02:13:41.840] you know, it all goes back to Snowden
[02:13:43.440] because they lied and lied and lied and
[02:13:45.040] then the Snowden documents were, it was
[02:13:46.960] just such a bombshell with not only are
[02:13:49.199] they collecting all this stuff. I mean
[02:13:51.040] all of us all you know all every single
[02:13:54.320] one of us but they were in our files
[02:13:56.400] they can read our email they can you
[02:13:58.800] know our search history everything about
[02:14:00.719] us
[02:14:02.560] where
[02:14:04.480] if you you know if if I'm charged with
[02:14:06.719] something and you use the Patriot Act
[02:14:08.400] against me my first thing would be like
[02:14:09.840] well it's all inadmissible I'm an
[02:14:11.760] American citizen I have I have fourth
[02:14:14.079] amendment right you didn't have probable
[02:14:15.760] cause let me see the warrant let me see
[02:14:17.440] the affidavit what judge did you use the
[02:14:19.520] FISA judge
[02:14:21.040] Well, with the fi the FISA reviews are
[02:14:23.280] done in complete secrecy. There's no
[02:14:24.960] transparency. No one can you can't sit
[02:14:26.880] in on those, you know, you can't sit
[02:14:28.800] wander into the courtroom like you can
[02:14:30.239] in most towns here and just watch
[02:14:32.239] proceedings. It's all secret.
[02:14:35.040] It's just
[02:14:37.360] you've got Richard Nixon who turns the
[02:14:40.960] intelligence community foreign and
[02:14:42.400] domestic against his political enemies.
[02:14:44.719] That's bad. So then we review that. Then
[02:14:48.079] you have the church committee and out of
[02:14:49.679] that you've get uh the foreign
[02:14:52.480] intelligence surveillance act of 1978 is
[02:14:54.639] FISA.
[02:14:55.280] >> What was the church committee?
[02:14:57.040] >> That was reviewing all what like CIA and
[02:15:01.520] FBI was doing. All the bad stuff kind of
[02:15:04.159] came to light during the church
[02:15:05.280] committee and that made uh Congress
[02:15:08.560] realize oh there's they're using um FBI
[02:15:12.000] and to actually go after political
[02:15:13.760] enemies. We can't have that. So we'll
[02:15:15.599] have FISA which will review these but
[02:15:18.480] then FISA starts to get abused and then
[02:15:21.760] when the Patriot Act comes along in 2001
[02:15:24.480] it supercharges FISA and now everything
[02:15:26.800] is just rubber stamped
[02:15:29.440] and we don't know really what they're
[02:15:31.360] doing with it. We just know they renew
[02:15:33.360] it and um whether it's Trump or Biden or
[02:15:36.560] Obama, this that sign with the pen and
[02:15:39.199] there's applause and America's going to
[02:15:40.719] be safe. And I don't know if there's any
[02:15:43.440] evidence of that. You know, out of that
[02:15:45.199] time we got the TSA
[02:15:48.239] the I I think the TSA is just is just in
[02:15:50.880] the way. I think in 2015 they sent um
[02:15:54.000] they were called red teams to test the
[02:15:56.320] TSA see like secret shop them and they
[02:15:59.040] did they created mock weapons and mock
[02:16:00.800] explosives.
[02:16:02.800] Take a guess of what percentage got
[02:16:04.320] through.
[02:16:05.599] >> Oh man.
[02:16:06.560] >> 95
[02:16:07.520] >> Are you serious?
[02:16:08.400] >> 95% got through. So then they tried it
[02:16:11.119] again in 2017.
[02:16:12.400] >> 95% of the guns got through.
[02:16:14.719] >> Guns, bombs, all of it,
[02:16:16.719] >> you know. So we have a shoe bomber that
[02:16:19.199] is ridiculous. So now we all taking off
[02:16:21.280] our shoes. Then we have someone who's
[02:16:23.520] going to make a bomb with liquid that's
[02:16:24.960] not going to work. But now we can't
[02:16:26.639] bring, you know, shampoo. So I've got my
[02:16:29.040] wife emptying her purse because the
[02:16:31.679] shampoo is over the ounces. Are you
[02:16:33.359] crazy? And you know, you're basically
[02:16:35.599] assaulting a grandma. Is that that's
[02:16:37.679] really who we're worried about?
[02:16:40.399] We're you know, I I'm small government
[02:16:42.800] libertarian. I say get rid of all of
[02:16:44.399] that and let the airlines handle their
[02:16:46.000] own security. they do it more
[02:16:47.200] efficiently
[02:16:49.120] and if the airline's not doing it well,
[02:16:52.000] no one will fly on it and they'll go
[02:16:53.439] away and then you wouldn't have to wait
[02:16:56.080] on these lines with this ineffective
[02:16:57.920] agency. Now, after the the red teams
[02:17:01.679] filed their report, TSA kind of
[02:17:05.200] tried to do a better job and then they
[02:17:06.639] were tested again two years later and I
[02:17:08.639] think 60% got through. It was the
[02:17:10.800] majority.
[02:17:11.760] >> Wow.
[02:17:12.000] >> So, it's ineffective.
[02:17:13.280] >> TSA's never stopped a terrorist. Never
[02:17:15.359] once. There's zero times terrorism is
[02:17:18.479] stopped locally by local law enforcement
[02:17:21.760] and with federal intervention long
[02:17:23.840] before they get to the airport. That's
[02:17:25.280] that's where it happens.
[02:17:27.359] People can say I'm wrong, but the data
[02:17:30.000] is the data. If if they were stopping
[02:17:33.120] terrorists all the time, then great and
[02:17:34.800] let's keep doing it. But if if it's just
[02:17:36.880] a bloated bureaucracy that's that's
[02:17:38.800] making us miserable, I hate going to the
[02:17:41.519] airport because of this. Mhm.
[02:17:43.760] >> It's the worst part of it is doing it
[02:17:46.080] and it's so ineffectual.
[02:17:48.960] So I don't know why it's still there. I
[02:17:50.639] don't know why we had to create the
[02:17:52.240] Department of Homeland Security and take
[02:17:54.639] 22 agencies and lump them together with
[02:17:56.800] all this overlap and now you've got I
[02:17:59.920] mean still this is 25 years. There's
[02:18:01.760] still turf wars and it's my
[02:18:03.120] jurisdiction. No, it's mine. It's my
[02:18:04.479] collar. No, it's mine. Why did I don't
[02:18:07.200] know why we needed to create another
[02:18:08.719] bureaucracy that's a hundred billion
[02:18:10.719] dollars a year. just got a quarter
[02:18:12.080] million employees. We had the FBI, we
[02:18:14.960] had we had immigration, we had we we had
[02:18:18.399] the border patrol, we had all the
[02:18:20.399] agencies already. Now, you put them
[02:18:22.160] under a cabinet position and there's all
[02:18:23.679] this it's all this overlap and I don't
[02:18:26.240] think it's necessary not efficient and I
[02:18:28.080] don't think it's keeping us safer. Now,
[02:18:30.000] I could be wrong. I don't know. Uh I
[02:18:33.200] want us to take the right steps to keep
[02:18:34.880] us safe. I, like I said, I want people
[02:18:37.200] in law enforcement and the military to
[02:18:38.719] have the best tools to to do whatever
[02:18:41.120] needs to be done, to be absolutely
[02:18:42.960] vicious with our enemies,
[02:18:46.319] but
[02:18:48.319] Americans are not really the enemies.
[02:18:50.960] And there needs to be some oversight and
[02:18:53.359] transparency because we don't know what
[02:18:54.960] what any of these agencies are doing.
[02:18:57.439] And we see just recently that the FBI
[02:19:00.960] was used for political purposes again.
[02:19:05.040] So I brought up a couple of cases where
[02:19:07.200] it was Democrats using it, but remember
[02:19:08.960] this all comes out of Nixon and
[02:19:10.479] Republicans using it. And would
[02:19:13.519] President Trump use these agencies to
[02:19:16.080] help him? Well, he's doing it now. Maybe
[02:19:18.960] it's justified,
[02:19:20.880] maybe it's not.
[02:19:22.559] >> How's he doing it now? I I think with
[02:19:24.960] him it's a lot of getting even because
[02:19:27.760] they because they you know they they
[02:19:29.519] really what they did to him was just so
[02:19:32.399] unprecedented with a former president to
[02:19:37.519] all all charge him with what 97 felonies
[02:19:40.240] to try and take him off the ballot in 25
[02:19:42.319] states. I mean this that to try to ruin
[02:19:44.639] him financially
[02:19:46.399] and personally and go through his wife's
[02:19:49.040] underwear and uh you know drag him
[02:19:52.080] through the courts in Georgia and try to
[02:19:53.680] make him go broke.
[02:19:54.800] >> Mhm.
[02:19:55.760] >> So anybody is going to if you get back
[02:19:58.880] in power if it was me it'd be the same
[02:20:00.640] thing. Well I'm going to do everything
[02:20:02.319] legally but now what comes around goes
[02:20:04.720] around. And that's not really the way it
[02:20:07.359] should be. these agencies should be
[02:20:10.080] completely agnostic like no sir we can't
[02:20:12.640] do that that's we're not going after the
[02:20:14.800] former president and no President Trump
[02:20:17.280] we're not going after these people we
[02:20:18.960] don't do that we we follow crimes let's
[02:20:22.800] have them do that
[02:20:24.160] >> you know what's interesting is the
[02:20:25.439] Patriot Act I mean it was set in place
[02:20:28.080] for terrorism correct and so you know we
[02:20:31.920] were talking about off camera about you
[02:20:34.080] know the Taliban funding and all this
[02:20:35.840] stuff and I I have a lot of contacts you
[02:20:38.399] know, that that are
[02:20:41.280] former agency types, former intel types.
[02:20:45.040] And one in particular,
[02:20:47.600] Sarah Adams, um, one of the best
[02:20:50.640] targeters to ever come out of CIA, and
[02:20:54.080] she has broken on the show several times
[02:20:57.280] that there are a minimum of a thousand
[02:21:00.560] terrorist cells within our country and
[02:21:04.560] you know how they communicate. So we
[02:21:06.800] have the Patriot Act, right? It's all
[02:21:08.640] basically techbased.
[02:21:10.000] >> Mhm.
[02:21:12.319] >> People think that these terrorists are
[02:21:14.080] dumb because they live in cave, you
[02:21:15.920] know, they live in caves, they live in
[02:21:17.439] mud huts, they wear, you know, sandals.
[02:21:19.520] It's very very
[02:21:22.640] it's almost like prehistoric time period
[02:21:24.960] when you go there.
[02:21:27.760] So they have completely
[02:21:30.319] they don't communicate through tech at
[02:21:32.240] all anymore. And so what she says and
[02:21:35.359] other
[02:21:36.960] intelligence professionals have said is
[02:21:39.359] that within these terrorist cells, the
[02:21:42.560] only way that they communicate with
[02:21:44.319] their HQ, which is in Afghanistan, is
[02:21:46.560] through corers. So there's no texts,
[02:21:50.399] there's no emails, there's no voice
[02:21:52.479] calls, none of them know where each
[02:21:54.640] other are at. So even even if you were
[02:21:58.880] able to find out where one of the cells
[02:22:01.520] are at, you could not interrogate them
[02:22:04.960] to find out where the other cells are.
[02:22:07.520] They're all completely independent of
[02:22:09.600] each other and
[02:22:11.439] >> they only use corers, which means they
[02:22:14.720] fly a guy in, they brief them, they
[02:22:17.200] debrief, the information goes back to HQ
[02:22:21.200] and Afghanistan. So it would be
[02:22:23.920] impossible
[02:22:26.399] to break down the entire network.
[02:22:29.520] I can't think of I don't even know where
[02:22:31.520] you would start.
[02:22:32.399] >> I don't know how you would either. I
[02:22:34.160] mean it wasn't that how Osama bin was
[02:22:37.680] finally found was through his couriers,
[02:22:39.200] right? It wasn't through intercepting
[02:22:42.319] any intelligence through wires. It was
[02:22:45.040] it was through a human dog was following
[02:22:46.800] this guy around. He's going to this to
[02:22:48.720] this palace.
[02:22:50.640] So I I think all all you're doing there
[02:22:53.280] is you're forcing them to learn trade
[02:22:56.800] craft and just get better at
[02:22:58.080] tradecraftraft because they can do that.
[02:22:59.680] >> They pivot.
[02:23:01.040] >> Mhm.
[02:23:02.479] >> What is the Patriot Act turning into?
[02:23:04.800] >> I I just I think it's just turned into a
[02:23:07.359] a political tool at this point. you
[02:23:09.760] know, the going after the parents was
[02:23:11.760] was really a a really a big red flag
[02:23:15.439] because the Patriot Act was specifically
[02:23:17.600] in that letter like you should use the
[02:23:20.319] Patriot Act to go after these people.
[02:23:22.800] And I didn't think any of those parents
[02:23:25.520] looked like political or domestic
[02:23:27.040] terrorists to me.
[02:23:28.080] >> Mhm.
[02:23:28.720] >> Um
[02:23:30.319] maybe that's my bias, but
[02:23:31.600] >> what parents? There was a lot of parents
[02:23:34.240] protesting during during the the trans
[02:23:37.200] controversy and in the protest schools
[02:23:41.760] >> and
[02:23:43.760] part of the administration at that time
[02:23:45.840] wanted to label them domestic terrorists
[02:23:48.080] and put them under surveillance
[02:23:49.600] >> and then once they become um
[02:23:54.160] no relevant is the word in the act once
[02:23:56.399] they become relevant to an investigation
[02:23:58.160] then you don't have to then the bill of
[02:24:00.000] rights is gone then they can just go
[02:24:01.920] into your bank account, see what's going
[02:24:03.840] on there, your businesses, all of that,
[02:24:05.680] and just and just compile a file on you.
[02:24:08.720] You know, it's like I that old Soviet
[02:24:11.120] saying like, "Well, show me the man and
[02:24:12.880] I'll show you the crime."
[02:24:15.600] And that's just not how it's supposed to
[02:24:17.200] be done that. And I don't think it makes
[02:24:19.359] us safer. It
[02:24:22.560] But again, there's I'm kind of
[02:24:24.000] blackpilled on it because once you have
[02:24:26.160] that power, you don't want to give it
[02:24:27.840] up. If I was in charge, I wouldn't want
[02:24:29.520] to give it up either.
[02:24:32.640] I would I would I would hope that if I
[02:24:34.479] was out in that position, I would do the
[02:24:35.920] right thing. But I don't know, you know,
[02:24:37.439] I'm I'm as flawed as anybody else.
[02:24:41.760] But when you know, when when Clapper is
[02:24:44.160] caught, I don't know when you left. See,
[02:24:47.200] did you was Brennan did you leave before
[02:24:49.439] Brennan?
[02:24:50.319] >> 2015.
[02:24:51.439] >> Brendan was 2015.
[02:24:54.399] I think we might see I think we might
[02:24:56.319] see some indictments for some of these
[02:24:57.760] people. And for everyone screaming left
[02:24:59.600] and right, look, there these are people
[02:25:01.680] on both sides that are that are going to
[02:25:03.359] get caught up in this. Uh but I think
[02:25:05.600] we're going to see some indictments.
[02:25:08.000] >> Why do you think that?
[02:25:09.280] >> Because they did it. You know, they did
[02:25:11.200] it. Um you know, the the Russia collusia
[02:25:15.439] thing. They did it. The steel dossier.
[02:25:17.359] They did it. They did it. They did it.
[02:25:20.080] So So Clapper lies to Congress and and
[02:25:23.280] we find out he's violating all of our
[02:25:25.200] rights. is, you know, I think he was DNI
[02:25:27.359] at the time.
[02:25:29.280] And instead of going to prison, he
[02:25:30.880] becomes a contributor on CNN or MSNBC. I
[02:25:33.920] don't know why he didn't go to prison. I
[02:25:36.240] don't know why these I don't know why
[02:25:37.760] none of these people go to face any
[02:25:40.160] ramifications at all. How about just a
[02:25:42.479] just a misdemeanor? Just just show me
[02:25:45.359] that we don't live in a two-tiered,
[02:25:46.880] three- tiered system where it seems like
[02:25:49.760] if I did any of this stuff, I'd go to
[02:25:51.520] jail forever.
[02:25:52.960] >> They can't show you. But if you're in
[02:25:54.880] the swamp,
[02:25:55.359] >> you live in that.
[02:25:56.160] >> Mhm.
[02:25:58.240] So I can't
[02:26:02.160] >> I have no solutions. All I have is
[02:26:03.760] complaints.
[02:26:05.200] >> Man,
[02:26:07.680] what do you think they do with all the
[02:26:09.040] information?
[02:26:09.760] >> Most of it I don't think they do
[02:26:10.800] anything with. But
[02:26:13.439] you know, if it turns up that
[02:26:16.160] like, do you think that you're
[02:26:19.200] of interest to someone somewhere, right?
[02:26:22.560] >> I know I am. Of course.
[02:26:24.399] >> So
[02:26:25.120] >> so bad.
[02:26:28.560] >> Everything you do is collected.
[02:26:30.080] >> Mhm.
[02:26:30.640] >> Right. There's probably there's probably
[02:26:32.160] two or three collections officers that
[02:26:33.760] are just dedicated to what you do. Why?
[02:26:37.439] Why?
[02:26:39.200] >> Because,
[02:26:42.560] man, this sounds weird to say and these
[02:26:44.560] are not my words, but because we have an
[02:26:47.920] impact on the consciousness of the US.
[02:26:50.399] >> That's not that that's dangerous. They
[02:26:52.240] do not want they want to control the
[02:26:54.479] impact.
[02:26:55.359] >> They can't have independent voices
[02:26:57.760] controlling the conversation.
[02:27:00.160] >> They've got a lot of them now.
[02:27:03.280] >> You know, I I hope that we're past that
[02:27:06.720] point of inflection where the
[02:27:08.720] independent voices are more powerful. I
[02:27:10.560] think they are. I think I I think they
[02:27:12.800] are.
[02:27:13.200] >> They definitely are.
[02:27:14.560] >> I get more views on a video than all
[02:27:16.319] cable news channels combined. So do you.
[02:27:20.399] the number of views that you get is is
[02:27:22.399] all of cable combined. No one's there's
[02:27:25.760] there's no power there anymore and they
[02:27:27.840] don't like that.
[02:27:30.479] But um it's not like we rested it away.
[02:27:34.160] It's people just started talking and
[02:27:37.760] Americans just want to listen to
[02:27:40.720] different voices.
[02:27:41.840] >> Mhm.
[02:27:43.359] >> And I think we need more of that on
[02:27:46.080] every part of the political spectrum.
[02:27:51.680] Yeah, I I think the media is over.
[02:27:54.960] >> I do too. I think it will die with the
[02:27:56.560] baby boomer generation.
[02:27:58.240] >> Yep.
[02:27:58.560] >> I think it's done. And I see certain
[02:28:02.240] people that I think are injected into
[02:28:05.920] the the YouTube podcast stratosphere
[02:28:10.000] that
[02:28:12.479] they try to
[02:28:15.280] create narratives, but it's tricky. You
[02:28:18.399] know, you could have somebody in here,
[02:28:21.600] and I think I've had one or two, not
[02:28:25.600] realizing it until afterwards. But,
[02:28:30.479] you know, how it works is
[02:28:33.840] wait a second. You feel like people have
[02:28:35.840] come in here to try to push a narrative?
[02:28:38.240] >> Yeah.
[02:28:39.439] >> Did you Did you sniff it out?
[02:28:42.800] >> Yeah.
[02:28:43.840] >> Like while it was happening, you were
[02:28:45.120] like, "Wait a minute." There's been I've
[02:28:47.600] had interviews that I never released. Um
[02:28:50.080] >> I didn't know that.
[02:28:50.960] >> Yeah. One of I've had a couple. Not very
[02:28:53.680] many. But um you know, when I was asking
[02:28:56.399] you about do you feel that you take on a
[02:28:59.120] tremendous responsibility? I I feel that
[02:29:02.080] I have a great responsibility
[02:29:05.040] when I'm diving into
[02:29:07.600] corruption,
[02:29:09.280] exposing something, exposing evil,
[02:29:11.439] whatever it may be. I I you know, you
[02:29:13.920] have to [ __ ] be careful with that
[02:29:15.600] because you people base decisions off
[02:29:20.479] what is said in here. And I remember one
[02:29:24.800] specific example, I had a guy come on
[02:29:28.560] and he was talking about a lot of CO
[02:29:31.359] stuff. I told you at breakfast, I don't
[02:29:32.880] like diving into CO because
[02:29:35.840] everybody was talking about it. I don't
[02:29:38.319] really have anything new to bring to the
[02:29:40.000] table, right? you know, and there's a
[02:29:42.640] couple um there's January 6 is another
[02:29:45.439] one. I don't really feel there's so many
[02:29:47.439] people on that that I don't feel that I
[02:29:50.800] I I I don't bring anything to the table
[02:29:52.800] that hasn't already been said. Also, I
[02:29:55.760] mean, with that specific event, J6, I
[02:30:00.319] mean, I think everybody was wrong.
[02:30:03.280] >> Yep.
[02:30:03.760] >> I mean, if you thought it was a great
[02:30:05.359] idea,
[02:30:06.240] >> it was not a great idea
[02:30:07.200] >> to storm the [ __ ] capital. Um, I I
[02:30:12.000] don't even know, you know what I mean? I
[02:30:13.520] don't even know where to begin. Like,
[02:30:14.960] not a good idea.
[02:30:16.479] >> And on the other side, you know, when
[02:30:18.800] when
[02:30:21.600] he asked, you know, for for National
[02:30:23.840] Guard and was denied, I mean, that
[02:30:26.160] >> no one talks about that.
[02:30:27.120] >> Yep. That was there there's a whole note
[02:30:29.760] that that's wrong, you know, and so I
[02:30:32.000] don't I don't think there's any good
[02:30:36.640] that came from either side on that. I
[02:30:39.359] think that entire
[02:30:41.920] event was uh was a black eye on on
[02:30:45.600] America.
[02:30:47.280] But
[02:30:49.040] and now I forgot where I was going with
[02:30:50.800] this cuz we don't
[02:30:51.520] >> we're talking about people coming in
[02:30:53.280] here with an agenda.
[02:30:54.960] >> And so how it works, I mean you could
[02:30:58.560] have somebody sit in here for eight
[02:31:00.080] hours,
[02:31:02.160] four hours, five, whatever.
[02:31:06.319] They may only have one specific sentence
[02:31:10.800] in that five-hour interview that they
[02:31:14.399] want this person to say, and it's going
[02:31:16.880] to be a banger.
[02:31:18.800] And the other thing that could happen is
[02:31:21.520] they will
[02:31:24.640] they will
[02:31:28.160] predict information that's going to come
[02:31:30.960] out in days, weeks, in a month, and a
[02:31:36.319] couple months. And they'll make these
[02:31:38.160] predictions about what's going to
[02:31:40.000] happen, who did what, you know,
[02:31:42.080] whatever.
[02:31:44.319] And they already know. It's not a
[02:31:46.160] prediction. It's a it's or maybe it
[02:31:49.040] didn't happen, but that's what's going
[02:31:50.399] to play out in mainstream media. And
[02:31:52.720] these people will come in and they will
[02:31:54.720] make these predictions.
[02:31:57.280] And some of these guys and girls will
[02:31:59.920] go,
[02:32:02.000] they do the circuit. They go on every
[02:32:03.920] podcast, right? They go on all the
[02:32:05.680] podcasts
[02:32:07.680] and they'll text you like, "Oh, I said
[02:32:11.600] this on your podcast. I said this was
[02:32:13.600] going to happen. We should do this
[02:32:14.880] again." And it's like
[02:32:17.680] >> you've must have been on 20 [ __ ]
[02:32:19.760] podcasts in the past month and you
[02:32:22.399] remember
[02:32:24.399] exactly what you said on my podcast. I
[02:32:27.920] don't remember what the hell I said
[02:32:29.280] yesterday, but you're here to remind me
[02:32:32.399] that you predicted this on my [ __ ]
[02:32:35.359] show and now you want to come on again
[02:32:38.640] and then another one and then another
[02:32:41.040] one and it's like I see what's happening
[02:32:43.200] here. You can't give an example, right?
[02:32:45.280] >> What's that?
[02:32:45.840] >> You can't give an example.
[02:32:46.800] >> I don't want to I don't want to drop
[02:32:49.280] names because I can't be certain just
[02:32:51.439] like you were doing earlier.
[02:32:52.880] >> Not a name, an idea.
[02:32:55.600] >> Yeah. I don't I mean that would give it
[02:32:57.520] away.
[02:32:57.840] >> Fair enough.
[02:32:58.479] >> So, so I don't because if that person
[02:33:01.760] didn't do that, then I destroying you
[02:33:03.920] know what I mean? and that and so I I I
[02:33:06.960] really try to only talk about things
[02:33:10.880] if I'm going to articulate it, I want it
[02:33:14.160] to be true, you know, to the best of my
[02:33:16.560] knowledge and I don't this is this is
[02:33:18.960] this is an inclination. This is a
[02:33:20.880] feeling this that knowing how things
[02:33:23.040] work. I've
[02:33:25.439] contracted for intelligence agencies at
[02:33:28.319] a very low level, but you know, it
[02:33:32.080] wasn't like the you don't get access to
[02:33:34.800] everything and be like, "Oh, I got a TS
[02:33:36.560] clearance now, so I can just dive into
[02:33:38.240] whatever I want." No, there that's not
[02:33:40.000] how it works. And so this the stuff that
[02:33:42.640] I knew was very um it was very localized
[02:33:47.200] to exactly what I was a part of overseas
[02:33:50.240] in Afghanistan, Iraq, those Middle East
[02:33:52.800] type stuff. But when I when but I'm
[02:33:56.880] quick and I see how it works and I've
[02:33:58.479] seen how it works in other countries.
[02:34:00.240] And so when I start picking up on it,
[02:34:03.439] I'm like, "No, no, you're not coming
[02:34:06.240] back on.
[02:34:07.200] >> No way."
[02:34:08.560] Too many predictions came true. There's
[02:34:12.240] no way you could have known that. And
[02:34:13.920] there's no way out of the 20 podcasts
[02:34:15.920] you just did in the past month that you
[02:34:17.680] remember exactly what the [ __ ] you
[02:34:19.520] talked about on my show. This is
[02:34:22.720] this smells weird. So, not doing it
[02:34:25.280] again. And you know what the and and
[02:34:30.319] so that's kind of that's the point.
[02:34:32.399] That's the point. It doesn't it doesn't
[02:34:34.720] mean the whole duration of of the
[02:34:38.080] interview is the message that's trying
[02:34:40.880] to be sent. It could be one sentence or
[02:34:44.240] it could just be let's establish this
[02:34:47.040] guy's credibility so that all the
[02:34:50.080] podcasts want the breaking news, right?
[02:34:53.760] And so I'm in I mean I'm slow but I'm in
[02:34:57.520] tune, you know, and and I kind of
[02:35:01.200] I know how things work to a certain
[02:35:03.760] extent. Not very much, but I can pick up
[02:35:07.439] on things. And um and the other thing
[02:35:10.080] that people are really good at is
[02:35:11.280] manipulating information.
[02:35:13.600] Politicians are amazing at it. You know,
[02:35:15.840] statistics only go so far. There's all
[02:35:18.000] kinds of sets of statistics that may be
[02:35:21.439] true, but there's nuance behind it. And
[02:35:23.680] so with the CO thing
[02:35:26.160] was interviewing this guy and he kept
[02:35:27.760] telling saying, "Hey, CO was developed
[02:35:31.520] in a lab,
[02:35:33.680] University of North Carolina. It was
[02:35:36.399] patented before CO ever came out." And
[02:35:39.120] it was this long interview all about
[02:35:41.520] COVID COVID, the vaccine, da da da da
[02:35:44.080] da. And I was I took the vaccine. I
[02:35:48.000] didn't want to take the vaccine, but my
[02:35:51.120] my son was being born right at that time
[02:35:53.439] period. And I was I was like, "Well,
[02:35:55.840] I've done a lot of drugs in my life.
[02:35:58.160] >> How bad could this be?"
[02:35:59.359] >> And and if those didn't kill me and I've
[02:36:01.840] seen a lot of combat and I've done a lot
[02:36:04.000] of dangerous [ __ ] right? And if none of
[02:36:06.000] that killed me, then this stupid little
[02:36:07.520] vaccine isn't going to kill me either.
[02:36:09.200] And it hasn't. And I don't have any
[02:36:10.800] heart problems. At least not yet. I
[02:36:13.600] don't have any of the weird, you know, I
[02:36:16.240] I don't have any of this the the the
[02:36:20.000] whatever.
[02:36:22.479] So, anyways, this guy was going on about
[02:36:24.640] the COVID vaccine, how it was developed,
[02:36:26.880] University of North Carolina had a play
[02:36:28.640] in it, and that it was patented precoid.
[02:36:32.319] But every time he would say the he it
[02:36:35.680] was co 19 coid9 coid9. when he would say
[02:36:38.960] the vaccine was patented, he would say
[02:36:41.920] the SARS vaccine
[02:36:43.760] >> was patented pre-COVID. Well, you know,
[02:36:46.399] if you look, there's like
[02:36:51.040] a hundred strands of CO.
[02:36:53.040] >> Yep.
[02:36:53.600] >> That have been around for a long long
[02:36:55.680] time.
[02:36:56.000] >> Corona virus is is a a lot of things.
[02:36:58.560] >> Yep. And so when he kept saying SARS and
[02:37:01.760] I didn't pick up on it right off the
[02:37:03.359] bat, it wasn't until after the interview
[02:37:05.040] and I started I called uh you know
[02:37:07.359] Darren in there and I was like we can't
[02:37:08.960] release it. And he's like this is so
[02:37:11.600] good. This is so good. It's so corrupt.
[02:37:14.880] And I'm like he kept saying the SARS
[02:37:17.760] vaccine. Why didn't he say the COVID 19
[02:37:20.479] vaccine? Because he's not technically
[02:37:22.399] lying,
[02:37:23.280] >> right? I'm sure there were a lot of SARS
[02:37:25.840] vaccines that were patented precoid, but
[02:37:28.560] he never did say that the COVID 19
[02:37:31.359] vaccine was patented precoid. He would
[02:37:35.120] switch it to SARS.
[02:37:37.439] >> It's very
[02:37:37.920] >> So, I wouldn't release it because, you
[02:37:40.080] know, while while I am
[02:37:43.520] I'm not antivax, I don't like the co
[02:37:46.720] vac. Took it cuz I wanted to see my son
[02:37:49.200] born and I was worried that the hospital
[02:37:51.359] was going to come out with some, you
[02:37:52.720] know what I mean? some weird
[02:37:55.280] rule that you had to show your vaccine
[02:37:57.840] card or something and and the doctor was
[02:38:00.560] pushing it too. But
[02:38:03.040] >> but um so I took it and cuz I I I was
[02:38:06.479] like I'm not missing that for anything.
[02:38:08.399] I don't care.
[02:38:10.640] But
[02:38:13.840] when you put something like that out,
[02:38:15.920] then people start to make they use that
[02:38:18.319] in their their decision- making process.
[02:38:20.479] And I don't want to be the guy that's
[02:38:22.880] that's that's putting out false
[02:38:25.280] information or platforming somebody
[02:38:28.240] that's putting out that kind of
[02:38:29.760] information that's going to dictate how
[02:38:31.520] somebody makes a decision on whether
[02:38:33.040] they're going to get the vaccine or not.
[02:38:34.319] I mean,
[02:38:36.319] it is what it is. It wasn't the numbers
[02:38:38.080] that were reported, you know, but people
[02:38:40.479] were dying from it. Y
[02:38:42.240] >> and I don't want somebody to die because
[02:38:45.040] they didn't take
[02:38:47.680] something that may have probably not. I
[02:38:50.960] mean, I got CO right after I took the
[02:38:52.800] [ __ ] vaccine.
[02:38:54.000] >> They couldn't even figure out how to
[02:38:55.280] test for it. It's like, well, let's take
[02:38:57.439] another one. Well, this one's
[02:38:58.560] >> non therapeutic,
[02:39:00.880] >> but but I wouldn't put it out because I
[02:39:03.920] didn't I was like, I can't have people
[02:39:05.600] making decisions off something that I'm
[02:39:07.200] not certain about. I mean, we talk, you
[02:39:09.600] know, we talk about aliens, we talk
[02:39:11.439] about conspiracies, but that's fun [ __ ]
[02:39:13.920] to think about. Doesn't really matter,
[02:39:15.920] you know, okay, so if it is true, it's
[02:39:18.880] not going to affect your decision-m
[02:39:20.479] process throughout the day. You're not
[02:39:22.160] going to make life-changing decisions
[02:39:23.760] based off of whether there was aliens or
[02:39:26.640] there isn't aliens or they remote viewed
[02:39:29.359] alien bases in [ __ ] Alaskan mountains
[02:39:31.920] or if there's aliens on the moon. Like,
[02:39:33.840] cool. If they're there, they're there.
[02:39:35.120] And if they're not, they're not. doesn't
[02:39:37.600] really like it might affect me, but
[02:39:40.000] there's no decision that I can make
[02:39:41.600] that's going to change the outcome of
[02:39:43.200] that,
[02:39:43.760] >> right?
[02:39:44.319] >> And so I'm very particular about if I if
[02:39:47.920] I talk about a subject like that, I'm
[02:39:50.319] very particular on
[02:39:52.880] on who I get and what's being put out.
[02:39:55.920] And
[02:39:58.000] there's been others. I did one on the
[02:39:59.600] World Economic Forum that I was like
[02:40:02.000] this and he the guy couldn't even tell
[02:40:05.120] me what the the uh World Economic Forum
[02:40:08.240] was. I'm like, "Yeah, but what is it?"
[02:40:10.319] He's like, "Well, the Google Chrome sign
[02:40:12.399] is a 666." And I'm like, "Okay,
[02:40:16.800] that's another subject. What is the
[02:40:19.439] World Economic Forum? Is it a business?
[02:40:21.760] Is it What is it? What kind of entity is
[02:40:23.760] it? Do you know?" Well, this did. If you
[02:40:26.800] look at the Bible, it says this. And I'm
[02:40:28.560] like, don't be don't be out here quoting
[02:40:30.399] scripture in the middle of this
[02:40:31.520] interview. I'm asking about the World
[02:40:32.960] Economic Forum.
[02:40:33.760] >> Was he a part of it? Was he a member of
[02:40:35.840] >> No, no, no. He was he was
[02:40:39.680] in a group that
[02:40:44.080] a lot of wild things came out of. And
[02:40:46.880] I'll tell you I'll tell you more about
[02:40:48.399] it after the interview, but but I I just
[02:40:51.040] I cut it. I was like, "This is
[02:40:52.479] bullshit." like you're just trying to
[02:40:54.399] [ __ ] get notoriety and fame and
[02:40:57.520] whatever the hell you're pushing. I
[02:40:58.880] don't know what it is, but it doesn't
[02:41:00.080] even make any damn sense. So, let's just
[02:41:01.920] cut this right now. Get the [ __ ] out of
[02:41:03.760] here.
[02:41:04.720] >> But,
[02:41:06.160] >> you know, so I mean, the disinformation
[02:41:08.240] agents are everywhere and and and also I
[02:41:11.920] mean, I don't I think a lot of people
[02:41:13.280] don't even realize that they are
[02:41:14.720] disinformation agents. It just, you
[02:41:16.640] know, they get they get fed some
[02:41:18.560] [ __ ] from the government and then
[02:41:21.040] they start talking about it and they
[02:41:22.399] wrap their whole identity around it and
[02:41:24.399] it becomes their the it becomes their
[02:41:27.040] identity.
[02:41:27.680] >> Well, I mean, we have operation mockingb
[02:41:29.439] bird that's that really happened where
[02:41:31.439] you've got 400 people in news in major
[02:41:33.920] news networks that are just mouthpieces
[02:41:35.920] for intelligence and you had journalists
[02:41:38.880] that are actually operatives.
[02:41:41.200] Their cover was just I'm a journalist.
[02:41:43.280] Mhm.
[02:41:43.760] >> You had journalists introducing
[02:41:47.600] politicians overseas and you had you had
[02:41:49.840] journalists that were essentially bagmen
[02:41:51.920] for for the agency o overseas where they
[02:41:54.880] would say you can use my hotel room for
[02:41:56.479] that meeting.
[02:41:58.160] >> So that's not a 100 years ago. That's 30
[02:42:01.040] years ago. And
[02:42:04.479] I don't think it ever really ended. I
[02:42:06.640] think that's why this is a this platform
[02:42:09.439] is a problem because you can have that
[02:42:11.520] interview, you can smell something that
[02:42:12.880] smells funny and you can say Darren,
[02:42:14.720] let's cut it. But MSNBC doesn't do that.
[02:42:18.560] They just they read it
[02:42:20.080] >> and it's just out there. So, and you see
[02:42:22.080] all the media say the same thing. Fox
[02:42:23.920] the same. They all say the same stuff.
[02:42:25.600] There's no one saying, "You know what?
[02:42:26.960] That didn't feel right. Let's cut it."
[02:42:28.479] But you can do that here.
[02:42:30.160] >> That's that's a problem.
[02:42:32.640] >> We don't cut much. The only time I'll
[02:42:34.960] cut something is, you know, we get a lot
[02:42:37.760] of military guys that were on
[02:42:39.680] high-profile missions and stuff like
[02:42:41.600] that. And sometimes it's it's in the
[02:42:44.399] moment. It could be hard to know like,
[02:42:46.080] "Is this still classified? Should I be
[02:42:49.280] talking about this? Am I giving up
[02:42:50.640] tactics?" And so sometimes guys will
[02:42:52.479] call in and they'll be like, "Hey, can
[02:42:54.880] we just cut like that one sliver? I said
[02:42:57.040] somebody's name, that person is still in
[02:42:59.600] or you know what I mean, and I don't
[02:43:01.120] want to blow their cover." Stuff like
[02:43:02.800] that. And I did it with the Sam Shoemade
[02:43:04.479] interview where we talked about the
[02:43:05.760] Tesla bomber at uh Trump Hotel in Vegas.
[02:43:09.280] You know, we had actually um that guy
[02:43:12.560] was on a mission where in Afghanistan
[02:43:17.760] the um the uh the bomber, he was a Green
[02:43:20.640] Beret. He was on a mission where they
[02:43:22.319] blew up a bunch of uh a big poppy farm
[02:43:25.600] and killed a lot of people, a lot of
[02:43:28.160] innocent people. and and and
[02:43:31.840] was it the UN or NATO did an
[02:43:34.160] investigation on it. I was like, "Is
[02:43:35.680] this [ __ ] real?" So, we looked it up and
[02:43:37.359] sure as [ __ ] there was an UN or a NATO
[02:43:39.600] report, I can't remember, on it. And it
[02:43:42.080] did actually happen. And one of the DEA
[02:43:44.399] operatives reached out to me and was
[02:43:46.960] like, "I was on that. My name was in
[02:43:50.479] that email. Could you please black it
[02:43:52.560] out because I'm still undercover and I'm
[02:43:54.319] doing different stuff and if that comes
[02:43:56.080] out then I'm screwed."
[02:43:57.279] >> Mhm. And I was like, "Yep, we'll black
[02:43:59.439] the name out." Like, I'm not I'm not
[02:44:01.359] going to I'm not going to compromise
[02:44:04.960] US intel guys or DEA or military that
[02:44:07.920] are that are still active because I
[02:44:09.439] mean, they're doing
[02:44:10.560] >> they don't have an agenda. They're just
[02:44:11.760] doing a job.
[02:44:13.120] But so I'll take stuff like that out,
[02:44:14.880] but I don't I won't take And then we we
[02:44:18.080] just had somebody actually that that um
[02:44:22.240] had somewhat of a relationship with
[02:44:23.760] Epstein and they wanted that pulled out
[02:44:27.359] and I was like that's like the whole
[02:44:29.760] interview. I can't pull that.
[02:44:31.840] >> You said no.
[02:44:33.600] >> I said it's in there or we're not
[02:44:36.319] kicking it out the door.
[02:44:37.840] >> Okay. Well, you gave them the option.
[02:44:39.439] >> Yeah. And uh they were like, "Okay,
[02:44:41.200] okay. put it out. And it was like
[02:44:42.720] >> I have to look look at look at that one.
[02:44:44.160] I have to watch that one.
[02:44:45.439] >> It's not out.
[02:44:46.319] >> Oh,
[02:44:46.800] >> they said put it. They're like okay
[02:44:48.319] fine. Put it out. And then they're like
[02:44:50.080] no just take this. And I was like just
[02:44:52.399] [ __ ] that. We're not dealing with this
[02:44:54.000] [ __ ] Like you come in here, you know
[02:44:57.120] what this is. Be ready to do it or don't
[02:45:00.160] come. And um and so but that's that's
[02:45:04.640] kind of how I deal with it. But that's
[02:45:06.319] that's how it works, man. That's how it
[02:45:08.720] works. It could be one sentence in a
[02:45:12.800] several hour long interview and that's
[02:45:15.359] the snippet. That's what they want to
[02:45:17.279] inject into the consciousness of the
[02:45:18.880] people.
[02:45:19.520] >> Do you think that changes from
[02:45:20.720] administration to administration or do
[02:45:22.240] you think it's
[02:45:24.000] operating I don't want to say shadow
[02:45:26.319] government but it seems like that goes
[02:45:28.720] on no matter who's in the White House.
[02:45:31.439] >> Yeah. I don't I don't I don't think any
[02:45:33.439] of these people are good.
[02:45:36.240] I don't think they are good people at
[02:45:38.080] their core. And I think this just
[02:45:41.600] continues to happen. The agenda's
[02:45:44.000] change, but the tactics don't.
[02:45:46.399] >> You think they think they're good?
[02:45:50.080] >> I think that they fall into traps
[02:45:52.960] and they don't see a way out
[02:45:56.720] and then they just get sucked in.
[02:45:59.279] >> I can I can see that. I can understand
[02:46:00.800] that.
[02:46:01.279] >> I think some of them maybe start out. I
[02:46:03.120] think there are good ones in there. The
[02:46:04.640] only politicians that I really trust is
[02:46:08.399] Eli Crane out of Arizona and Tim
[02:46:11.439] Burchett out of Knoxville, Tennessee.
[02:46:13.840] Those are the only ones that
[02:46:19.200] I 99.9%
[02:46:21.680] think are good human beings and
[02:46:26.399] cannot be swayed.
[02:46:28.399] >> And those two have been stonewalled by
[02:46:30.319] intelligence.
[02:46:31.520] >> Yep.
[02:46:33.200] Yep.
[02:46:34.800] I even when I got approached about
[02:46:36.560] running, you know, I I called a couple
[02:46:39.279] of people, two of both of those guys I
[02:46:41.920] called and I was like, I want to have an
[02:46:44.560] impact.
[02:46:46.399] I've been approached about running.
[02:46:48.960] What do you think? And they were like,
[02:46:50.720] don't do it. And Eli,
[02:46:53.840] for an example, he's like, I can't get
[02:46:55.439] on any of these [ __ ] committees. He's
[02:46:57.760] like, they won't put me on any of these
[02:46:59.840] committees because I won't play ball,
[02:47:02.240] >> right? and he goes, "If you can't get
[02:47:04.319] into the committees,
[02:47:07.680] you're just a beat suit in a chair. You
[02:47:10.399] have no impact." And and they and on top
[02:47:14.080] of that, they said, "What you're doing
[02:47:15.920] now has way more impact than you ever
[02:47:18.720] could have if you were
[02:47:20.960] >> to get into office."
[02:47:22.399] >> So, I decided I'm not doing it. And then
[02:47:24.560] diving into it more, I do. I think
[02:47:26.240] that's how they're controlled. being,
[02:47:27.840] you know, going like at the beginning
[02:47:29.359] when we were talking about the
[02:47:30.720] entertainment industry, which I hate,
[02:47:33.520] you know, it's it's you start to see
[02:47:35.920] like they want you to talk about this
[02:47:38.479] subject, they want you to talk about
[02:47:40.240] that subject, they don't want you to
[02:47:42.000] talk to this person. And it's like your
[02:47:45.279] job is to [ __ ] give me business, not
[02:47:48.240] talk about who I talk to or what I talk
[02:47:51.040] about. Go get business.
[02:47:54.399] Don't [ __ ] interfere with my show.
[02:47:56.080] >> Mhm. And and so you I got rid of all of
[02:48:00.720] them. And I start to see it again, you
[02:48:03.760] know, like I said with with politicians,
[02:48:06.000] you know, you come in here. I think we
[02:48:08.720] share, you know, the at the beginning
[02:48:11.359] some of the ones that I brought on I and
[02:48:13.600] a lot of these people weren't even they
[02:48:16.240] weren't even on the radar to get picked
[02:48:17.600] up at the administration, you know. So I
[02:48:20.160] did I didn't know. I didn't
[02:48:24.160] even know their aspirations. I they were
[02:48:26.880] just good guests to get but you know now
[02:48:29.279] that I've created this network within
[02:48:31.680] politics
[02:48:33.359] it's
[02:48:36.000] they try to manipulate me
[02:48:37.600] >> of course
[02:48:38.319] >> and it's it can be hard to get a phone
[02:48:41.439] call from somebody very powerful that
[02:48:44.080] wants you to do something and I just
[02:48:47.040] ghost them now. In fact, I'm getting
[02:48:49.040] ready I I had told you I get so paranoid
[02:48:51.520] about it that I it sent me down this
[02:48:54.399] rabbit. I had to find the black phone
[02:48:55.760] that can't be traced. I found it,
[02:48:58.000] >> you know, and but it's going to be a big
[02:49:00.000] step to be untraceable.
[02:49:02.720] A really big step to be untraceable.
[02:49:04.880] Yeah.
[02:49:05.200] >> If you don't have a phone number, that's
[02:49:08.560] that's how you do it.
[02:49:10.000] >> But if you don't have a phone number, I
[02:49:11.520] think the Patriot Act would find you
[02:49:13.200] relevant for investigation.
[02:49:15.120] >> Well, I'm going to try it. So, but um
[02:49:19.279] and then you know we're developing u the
[02:49:23.040] phone's very expensive and it's and so
[02:49:26.160] anyways we're developing an app that's
[02:49:27.840] more consumer friendly that doesn't have
[02:49:29.439] all the features that the phone has but
[02:49:31.200] it's enough and um to make you
[02:49:35.439] invisible.
[02:49:37.920] >> I would like to learn more about that at
[02:49:39.680] some point.
[02:49:40.160] >> I'll tell you about it offline. We It's
[02:49:42.560] I can't go too far into it quite yet.
[02:49:44.880] They don't want that app coming out,
[02:49:46.720] >> but but it's happening. We're doing it.
[02:49:49.439] And um and but but yeah, I think what
[02:49:53.200] happens is that they they fall into
[02:49:55.120] these traps, not realizing they're a
[02:49:56.960] trap. That's where I was going in the
[02:49:59.520] entertainment industry. There's also
[02:50:01.120] traps. There's these favors. I did this
[02:50:04.720] for you. You didn't do that. You didn't
[02:50:07.040] do [ __ ] for me. I could have connected
[02:50:08.399] with that person on my own, right?
[02:50:09.920] >> I didn't [ __ ] need you.
[02:50:11.920] >> Go get business. And but it becomes this
[02:50:15.520] favor brokering thing. And what I see,
[02:50:19.279] you know, and this is very recent, is I
[02:50:21.760] see how minuscule the favors are. And
[02:50:25.040] it's like, this person helped me do
[02:50:26.720] this, so you shouldn't talk to this
[02:50:28.960] person about this. And it's like,
[02:50:33.120] that person was just doing their [ __ ]
[02:50:34.880] job, man.
[02:50:36.880] That's not a favor. That's their job,
[02:50:39.600] >> is to get your ass in there.
[02:50:42.960] That's not a favor. And so if the favors
[02:50:46.080] start at that minuscule of a of a level,
[02:50:49.680] then what happens when the big favors
[02:50:51.840] start coming up like Epstein protecting
[02:50:54.800] your friends, you know, [ __ ] like all
[02:50:57.600] the corruption that we see happening and
[02:51:00.080] and I think they get so wrapped up in
[02:51:02.720] these favors and they get trapped and
[02:51:04.880] then it gets more evil and more evil and
[02:51:06.800] more evil and they don't say a way out
[02:51:08.880] and they get addicted to power, really
[02:51:11.840] addicted to power And they are
[02:51:15.600] controlled through favors, blackmail,
[02:51:18.160] [ __ ] like that.
[02:51:19.920] >> Don't do favors. I never ask favors.
[02:51:23.200] Teasing Jeremy about it, offering all
[02:51:25.200] kinds of great stuff, contacts,
[02:51:26.800] whatever. I said, I don't ask favors
[02:51:28.479] because when I do, I really need it.
[02:51:31.439] >> But I don't ask favors.
[02:51:32.720] >> That and those favors. Yeah. I don't ask
[02:51:36.720] for favors either.
[02:51:38.319] >> But when you do, it's like, oh, he
[02:51:40.720] really needs a hand here.
[02:51:43.600] Yep.
[02:51:44.640] >> Have you seen um guests who you had on
[02:51:47.279] on other shows that you released and
[02:51:49.840] realized you got burned?
[02:51:52.000] >> How so? What do you mean?
[02:51:52.960] >> Meaning like you let an episode go out
[02:51:55.200] and then this person shows up on another
[02:51:56.800] show or two and you're like, "Ah, god
[02:51:58.240] damn it. They got me."
[02:52:01.359] >> What do you mean they got me?
[02:52:02.640] >> That they got that one line out?
[02:52:06.240] >> No.
[02:52:06.800] >> Okay.
[02:52:07.200] >> Well, I don't really watch any other
[02:52:08.560] shows.
[02:52:09.120] >> Okay. So, I like I said, I get all of my
[02:52:12.399] information through this. Not all of it,
[02:52:14.960] but the major I I I scroll enough to get
[02:52:18.880] interest in certain subjects. You're I'm
[02:52:21.520] not [ __ ] around. You're the only You
[02:52:24.160] are the only you the Y files is the only
[02:52:27.600] YouTube channel that I watch on a
[02:52:29.439] consistent basis,
[02:52:32.479] but I I don't do it. And also, I don't
[02:52:35.520] want to take somebody else's creativity,
[02:52:37.439] you know, because when you start to
[02:52:38.720] watch all this other stuff, it's like,
[02:52:40.240] oh, I should be doing that. I don't want
[02:52:42.080] that. I want everything here to be
[02:52:44.240] organically generated, the set,
[02:52:47.600] everything, you know, and and it's my
[02:52:50.319] creation. It's what me and my team have
[02:52:53.359] come up with, not we need to be more
[02:52:55.760] like this guy or we need to be more like
[02:52:57.520] this guy. So now I haven't seen I
[02:53:00.240] haven't seen a oneliner, you know, that
[02:53:02.720] and it would be impossible to pick out
[02:53:04.479] cuz a lot of times they're talking about
[02:53:05.840] the same [ __ ] But
[02:53:09.439] but um so no, it's just it's just
[02:53:17.520] it's just a thought that'll that'll hit
[02:53:21.120] me like a bolt of lightning all of a
[02:53:23.040] sudden and it's like
[02:53:25.760] that was a mistake.
[02:53:26.960] >> Yeah.
[02:53:28.160] But you couldn't have known. You
[02:53:29.920] couldn't have known it was a mistake at
[02:53:31.600] the time.
[02:53:33.200] >> Especially if they're really good at it.
[02:53:34.880] >> It's in retrospect that you see it.
[02:53:37.600] >> It's a very strange position that that
[02:53:39.439] you're in. I don't envy it.
[02:53:42.240] >> It's tough.
[02:53:43.520] >> It's a lot of stress and anxiety.
[02:53:45.279] >> I I bet you know, just with the things I
[02:53:47.760] do is is stress enough, but this is
[02:53:49.600] serious what you do here. I'm just an
[02:53:52.000] entertainer. At least that's you know, I
[02:53:54.479] just talk to a fish is my line.
[02:53:56.319] >> Yeah. Well, you're kicking a lot of
[02:53:57.760] rocks over.
[02:53:59.439] >> That can be dangerous.
[02:54:00.240] >> A lot of centipedes under there.
[02:54:01.840] >> Yep.
[02:54:02.319] >> I try not to I name names if I don't
[02:54:05.200] have to. You know, I I mention Clapper
[02:54:08.240] because that infuriates me, but um I try
[02:54:11.760] not to criticize anyone who's like
[02:54:13.279] around. I'm not looking to make enemies.
[02:54:16.240] I'm not looking to embarrass anybody or
[02:54:17.920] out anybody.
[02:54:18.960] >> Mhm. Um, you know, when I talk about the
[02:54:21.439] the conspiracies and the alien stuff,
[02:54:23.600] the only names I really name are like
[02:54:25.680] the guys who say they were in the
[02:54:28.160] Marines and they did this thing like
[02:54:29.920] Stolen Valor is I'm I'm wired to not
[02:54:32.240] like that. So, I'll just name your
[02:54:34.000] names, but otherwise, nah, I just not
[02:54:37.760] looking to make waves.
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[02:57:10.640] Yeah, we've had a couple of Stolen Valor
[02:57:12.560] guys on. In fact, one of them, the Army,
[02:57:14.640] is investigating
[02:57:16.560] that person on Stolen Valor. And uh if
[02:57:20.160] it comes out, I'm I'm waiting for the
[02:57:22.160] official investigation to run, but if it
[02:57:24.479] comes out, then I'll
[02:57:26.720] I'll
[02:57:28.399] have to make some kind of a statement or
[02:57:30.160] something. But
[02:57:30.960] >> cuz you released that episode.
[02:57:32.800] >> Yeah.
[02:57:35.520] Yeah. But that person's been around for
[02:57:38.800] a long time. I got a lot of flack a um
[02:57:43.040] afterwards this person came on and then
[02:57:46.479] all these other people started diving
[02:57:48.479] into his background
[02:57:51.040] and it's caused a lot of it's been a
[02:57:53.680] huge pain in my ass. But I I can't I
[02:57:56.080] mean I can't verify you know somebody's
[02:57:59.040] service account.
[02:58:00.000] >> No,
[02:58:00.399] >> that would take months maybe years to to
[02:58:05.040] track everybody down that was there. And
[02:58:08.720] I mean it makes me sick that somebody
[02:58:10.399] would do that. But you know my argument
[02:58:13.040] I got approached by somebody. My
[02:58:14.479] argument was well you know I see you
[02:58:16.880] coming at me and you're [ __ ] blaming
[02:58:18.880] me for platforming this person. How
[02:58:21.200] would I have known that? And
[02:58:25.600] you know but so it's great you want to
[02:58:28.560] hold me accountable. Why don't you hold
[02:58:30.560] the [ __ ] US Army accountable? Right?
[02:58:32.960] That would be the right thing to do
[02:58:34.479] because I'm just a podcaster. The this
[02:58:38.960] person is still in. And
[02:58:44.240] so don't you think that the US Army
[02:58:46.240] should be held accountable for sending a
[02:58:48.160] guy out and spreading [ __ ] [ __ ]
[02:58:51.439] stolen valor lies?
[02:58:53.680] >> I never thought of that. Maybe you
[02:58:55.279] should [ __ ] think about that.
[02:58:56.640] >> He was sent out by the army.
[02:58:58.880] >> He wasn't sent out by the army, but he's
[02:59:00.800] still in
[02:59:03.359] Yeah, it's
[02:59:05.439] but they took that, you know, suggestion
[02:59:08.640] that I did and they got in touch with
[02:59:10.880] whoever at the army and now the army has
[02:59:12.640] actually opened an investigation on this
[02:59:14.640] person.
[02:59:15.040] >> Well, good. So yeah, but
[02:59:18.560] >> I I people think maybe we and certainly
[02:59:22.800] you should be doing more background than
[02:59:25.840] we do. And it's like um cuz I get things
[02:59:29.600] wrong all the time. And I just try to be
[02:59:31.600] as honest as possible. Like I'm not an
[02:59:33.359] expert on any of this. No, I didn't look
[02:59:35.840] into this person's background since the
[02:59:37.600] beginning. So yeah, that whole thing was
[02:59:39.840] [ __ ] You know, I'm sorry. I'm just
[02:59:41.920] trying to trying to entertain.
[02:59:44.160] >> Yeah. You can't track down all of these
[02:59:46.960] people and their entire background would
[02:59:48.479] just never get anything done.
[02:59:49.840] >> Yeah, exactly. And back to my previous
[02:59:53.680] point, you know, whether it's stolen
[02:59:56.319] valor or not, and it very likely is, I
[02:59:59.520] mean,
[03:00:01.920] that's not affecting somebody's
[03:00:03.439] decision-m.
[03:00:04.319] >> No. So, it's a, you know, fictional
[03:00:08.720] novel that you're listening to instead
[03:00:11.520] of, you know, actual events that happen.
[03:00:14.240] But now, it does really [ __ ] piss me
[03:00:16.479] off because if he did that, that takes
[03:00:18.080] away from every other, you know,
[03:00:21.760] heroic icon that sat across from me in
[03:00:23.760] that chair. And that's disgusting. But,
[03:00:27.040] you know, but did it affect somebody's
[03:00:29.120] decision-m throughout the day? No, it
[03:00:31.840] didn't. And I don't think your audience
[03:00:35.520] think your audience forgives you. They
[03:00:38.000] understand.
[03:00:38.720] >> Mhm.
[03:00:39.120] >> I would I would guess.
[03:00:40.479] >> Mhm.
[03:00:41.520] >> I Mine does for the most part. The good
[03:00:43.600] ones.
[03:00:44.160] >> Yeah. Me too. Me too.
[03:00:46.080] >> If I get something wrong, I just say it.
[03:00:47.760] >> The loudest [ __ ] in the room's
[03:00:49.439] always the biggest [ __ ] bag.
[03:00:50.800] >> That's right.
[03:00:51.680] >> So,
[03:00:53.279] it's just the the problem is I tend to
[03:00:55.840] gravitate toward the negativity bias.
[03:00:58.640] You know, I'll ignore 99 compliments and
[03:01:01.120] then the one guy who screaming at me for
[03:01:02.640] the thing I got wrong and the stupid
[03:01:04.000] thing I said, that's what I focus on. It
[03:01:05.680] ruins my day. It's like I this guy's
[03:01:08.560] name is like Joe below 69. What do I
[03:01:11.279] even care? Yeah,
[03:01:12.160] >> but I can't help it.
[03:01:13.279] >> It's probably a bot anyways.
[03:01:14.880] >> Probably a bot,
[03:01:16.720] >> but let's let's let's dive into the
[03:01:19.520] Giants.
[03:01:20.800] >> Okay, good. We'll lighten it up.
[03:01:22.960] Patriot. You see, I get all I get all ky
[03:01:25.279] with Patriot Act, but Giants, it'll be
[03:01:26.880] fine.
[03:01:28.240] Giants are fun. And where do you want to
[03:01:29.760] start? The beginning.
[03:01:31.520] >> Yeah.
[03:01:31.920] >> Giants are in every culture's history.
[03:01:34.880] Every culture's got giants mentioned.
[03:01:37.760] Um, ancient Indian vet, Native
[03:01:40.640] Americans,
[03:01:42.240] um, island of Malta,
[03:01:46.000] East Asian, every culture has given,
[03:01:50.399] epic of Gilgamesh. So, giants show up
[03:01:53.520] all through our culture. And whenever I
[03:01:57.200] see that, you know, a lot of what I do
[03:01:58.800] is just pattern recognition.
[03:02:01.120] Like I wasn't even really um a flood
[03:02:04.000] myth guy until I started doing my show.
[03:02:06.800] And it's like this flood story keeps
[03:02:08.800] showing up over and over. No matter what
[03:02:10.640] I'm talking about, the flood myth shows
[03:02:12.720] up and it's always showing up at the
[03:02:14.960] same time as like the end of the younger
[03:02:17.359] dryest. Like these things, it's just the
[03:02:19.040] same pattern over and over. Maybe it's a
[03:02:20.640] coincidence, but
[03:02:22.880] if if one culture has a story about a
[03:02:26.000] flood, then they have a story. If two
[03:02:27.840] cultures have it, it's could be a
[03:02:28.960] coincidence. But if you get 40 or 300,
[03:02:32.560] then maybe there's something to it.
[03:02:33.920] Maybe it really happened. So, um, so I'm
[03:02:36.880] pretty sure that flood happened. Now, as
[03:02:38.319] for giants,
[03:02:40.319] giants is tricky because we don't have
[03:02:43.120] any hard evidence, but we have a lot of
[03:02:45.040] circumstantial evidence
[03:02:47.359] where um the most recent would probably
[03:02:50.800] be late 19th century, early early 20th
[03:02:55.040] where you just had these discoveries all
[03:02:57.040] over America, over a thousand of them of
[03:03:01.920] these amateur archaeologists finding
[03:03:03.840] giant bones. And um the story is always
[03:03:07.439] the same is this this guy's he's you
[03:03:09.600] know he's digging and he's like
[03:03:11.279] desecrating a Native American burial
[03:03:13.760] mound finds these giant bones calls the
[03:03:17.279] Smithsonian. They come over they
[03:03:20.000] investigate. They take the bones. They
[03:03:21.600] go back and then it disappears. Like
[03:03:23.120] that happens over and over through these
[03:03:25.359] stories is the Smithsonian conspiracy is
[03:03:28.399] always involved.
[03:03:31.040] But um
[03:03:32.640] >> so are you saying the smi the
[03:03:34.080] Smithsonian hides evidence of giants?
[03:03:37.200] >> I'm saying that the the conspiracy
[03:03:38.960] theory is that the Smithsonian hides
[03:03:42.560] evidence of a lot of things. The
[03:03:44.800] Smithsonian of which I'm a huge fan of.
[03:03:48.160] Like if I go to DC, I spend four days
[03:03:50.399] there. I love I love the like the museum
[03:03:53.120] part. But what we don't see is all the
[03:03:57.279] we don't see the kind of the the dark
[03:03:59.279] underside of the Smithsonian like when
[03:04:01.120] it was formed
[03:04:02.080] >> like the Vatican.
[03:04:03.600] >> The Vatican we can talk about that too.
[03:04:06.000] The Smithsonian I think the first
[03:04:07.680] director might have been John Wesley
[03:04:09.120] Pal. I could be fact checked on that.
[03:04:11.120] Who was um like he spent a lot of time
[03:04:14.160] with Native Americans. He respected
[03:04:15.680] them. He saw them as very intelligent
[03:04:18.160] and resourceful.
[03:04:20.720] So they had they were well represented
[03:04:22.399] in the Smithsonian. Then he appointed
[03:04:25.600] I forget the the gentleman's name but he
[03:04:28.160] was he was like the chief ethnographer
[03:04:31.279] for the east
[03:04:33.439] east Ohio or something like that some
[03:04:36.479] crazy title and he gets into a position
[03:04:39.439] of power and it turns out that he's
[03:04:43.040] sees native cultures as Native Americans
[03:04:46.160] as as not as subhuman. They call them
[03:04:49.040] specimens. He would put like their body
[03:04:50.720] parts on display and stuff. look at
[03:04:52.560] these Native American specimens. So
[03:04:55.600] there'd be all these discoveries of
[03:04:57.120] these amazing mounds like the Serpent
[03:04:59.920] Mount in Ohio and all this stuff all all
[03:05:03.120] around the country. And the Smithsonian
[03:05:05.040] would say there must have been another
[03:05:08.000] advanced race here because Native
[03:05:09.520] Americans are just too they're savages.
[03:05:11.040] They couldn't never build this.
[03:05:14.399] And that that became kind of embedded in
[03:05:16.640] the Smithsonian for a long long time is
[03:05:19.920] um is this isolationist
[03:05:23.840] uh theory is is what they called it
[03:05:25.680] where before it was called diffusionism
[03:05:28.479] where diffusionism was cultures from all
[03:05:32.000] around the world interacted but then the
[03:05:34.479] new regime came in and said there's no
[03:05:36.240] way that Native Americans from the
[03:05:38.720] Mississippian culture could interact
[03:05:40.399] with the Mayas or the Incas. They just
[03:05:43.200] they were too savage to do that, which
[03:05:45.359] is ridiculous. That's like, you know,
[03:05:47.520] saying that Carthage didn't have
[03:05:49.120] anything to do with Rome, you know, of
[03:05:51.200] course they did. And we've learned later
[03:05:53.040] that some of the biggest most advanced
[03:05:55.680] cities in the world of the of the
[03:05:57.840] ancient world were here in America. Like
[03:06:00.319] like the the city of Cahokia
[03:06:04.080] is was a Mississippian culture. It was
[03:06:06.800] bigger than London. It was bigger than
[03:06:08.080] Paris. It was like a big advanced
[03:06:09.279] civilization that just got kind of
[03:06:10.800] covered over.
[03:06:13.520] And so the Smithsonian just sort of had
[03:06:15.439] this worldview that they're just locked
[03:06:17.359] into it. And and I think we see a lot of
[03:06:20.240] that with
[03:06:22.000] pseudocience, pseudo archaeology. If it
[03:06:24.080] doesn't fit the mainstream narrative,
[03:06:25.279] then it's you're marginalized, you're
[03:06:27.520] censored. You know, again, Graham
[03:06:29.200] Hancock when when Ancient Apocalypse
[03:06:31.120] came out, he it was called the dangerous
[03:06:33.279] most dangerous series on Netflix
[03:06:36.800] uh because it was
[03:06:39.040] white supremacy and all all this crazy
[03:06:40.960] stuff. supremacy
[03:06:42.880] >> because he if it's an advanced
[03:06:46.720] civilization that was here before us,
[03:06:50.160] the implication is that it was white
[03:06:52.319] when he never says anything like that.
[03:06:53.840] He never says anything like that. He's
[03:06:54.960] married to a woman of color. So, it's
[03:06:56.880] infuriating this
[03:06:59.840] because he he took a lot of heat for
[03:07:01.359] that show
[03:07:03.120] because
[03:07:03.439] >> I love that show,
[03:07:04.399] >> of course. And you don't have to believe
[03:07:06.000] all of it. And I I don't subscribe to
[03:07:07.920] everything he does, but I I'm fascinated
[03:07:10.080] by the topics. And we can get back to
[03:07:12.240] giants in a second. I'm just trying to
[03:07:13.920] set up that there's there are forces to
[03:07:16.000] that want to keep certain things that
[03:07:18.000] away from us.
[03:07:18.880] >> Mhm.
[03:07:20.080] >> Um there's an initiative right now to
[03:07:23.040] have the Smithsonian catalog and make
[03:07:25.120] public everything they have there, which
[03:07:27.279] I I don't think is going anywhere. The
[03:07:29.439] Smithsonian gets very strange carveouts
[03:07:32.720] of laws. There was a law passed not too
[03:07:35.840] long ago which required all museums to
[03:07:39.760] return anything that was of value to
[03:07:42.240] Native American cultures back to the
[03:07:44.000] tribes especially if it was funeral
[03:07:47.680] anything that have to like funeral
[03:07:49.840] whatever it's called
[03:07:52.160] death rights or whatever to return all
[03:07:54.399] that stuff. So this laws passed the
[03:07:56.399] museums have to do all that but you
[03:07:58.880] specifically it says in line after line
[03:08:00.880] Smithsonian is exempt. Smithsonian
[03:08:03.040] doesn't count. Smithsonian doesn't have
[03:08:04.240] to do any of this. So, they don't have
[03:08:05.439] to respond to any of it.
[03:08:09.040] So, then we go back to
[03:08:12.800] Grand Canyon or the Giants
[03:08:16.880] and we don't really know.
[03:08:20.720] It's hard to know what's true because
[03:08:24.000] there's over a thousand reports in
[03:08:26.080] newspapers of these findings.
[03:08:30.640] But the mainstream narrative is it's it
[03:08:32.560] was giants were cool at the time. It was
[03:08:34.560] hoaxes and it it was just to make money.
[03:08:39.359] But it's just too many coincidences. And
[03:08:42.960] there's there's one there's one giant
[03:08:46.240] story that that's interesting that
[03:08:48.720] because it overlaps several cultures uh
[03:08:51.520] native cultures where you've got the in
[03:08:54.240] like the Mississippi Valley these these
[03:08:56.960] they have these Indian myths about these
[03:08:58.880] giants that are they're cannibals so
[03:09:01.520] they're you know they're eating the
[03:09:02.880] people and they get driven west by the
[03:09:05.439] tribes. They unite and drive them west
[03:09:07.120] into like Nevada and California and they
[03:09:09.760] end up at what's known as Lovelock Cave
[03:09:13.520] and uh the Love Lo Cave giants are
[03:09:15.840] famous giants or the red hair giants. So
[03:09:18.880] the story goes that they're
[03:09:21.760] they're at they're at war with all these
[03:09:24.640] tribes and during the war when when the
[03:09:28.720] when when the when the natives are
[03:09:30.720] falling they're like eating them in the
[03:09:32.160] battlefield. So it unites the tribes and
[03:09:34.160] they drive them into Lovelock Cave and
[03:09:36.479] they seal the cave and they set fire to
[03:09:38.240] the whole the whole place.
[03:09:41.680] And
[03:09:43.760] an archaeologist goes in there and finds
[03:09:48.240] sandals that are like size 29 and these
[03:09:51.279] giant just giant clothes that like I'm
[03:09:54.960] not making this part up. You can go see
[03:09:56.560] this. like what why is there a sandal
[03:09:58.319] that's this size that are all found in
[03:10:00.640] the cave and bones and red hair
[03:10:04.880] but um and all that stuff has been sent
[03:10:07.359] back and then it's just gone
[03:10:10.399] and as you know as recently as just
[03:10:12.080] maybe like 20 years ago
[03:10:14.960] at some point someone discovered these
[03:10:16.880] giant coffins
[03:10:19.120] giant coffins with lids on them and they
[03:10:22.160] were sent to the Smithsonian
[03:10:24.080] >> was there anything in the coffin
[03:10:25.760] >> not that I'm aware of, but they were
[03:10:27.359] they were coffins and they were they
[03:10:28.800] were big and native cultures didn't do
[03:10:31.200] that. They didn't have coffins or bury
[03:10:33.200] their dead, at least none that I'm aware
[03:10:34.960] of. That was not part of their culture.
[03:10:36.880] So, this was very strange. So, those
[03:10:38.720] were sent to the Smithsonian and then it
[03:10:40.399] kind of disappeared. But then not too
[03:10:42.399] long ago, someone picked up on the story
[03:10:44.640] and asked the Smithsonian about them and
[03:10:46.640] they said, "We do have record of
[03:10:48.720] receiving that, but we don't know where
[03:10:50.960] they are."
[03:10:53.040] And that was kind of the end of it. And
[03:10:55.120] then a few years later, someone else got
[03:10:56.880] involved. I think it was John Tierney.
[03:11:00.319] He John Tierney really went after
[03:11:02.640] Smithsonian hard. He wrote a book about
[03:11:04.640] like Smithsonian is the greatest cover
[03:11:06.560] up. So it might have been Tyranny that
[03:11:09.279] he said, "Okay, I know that you you said
[03:11:11.279] you received these. You can't find them.
[03:11:13.920] I need you to find them." And they said,
[03:11:15.439] "Okay, we found them, but they're in a
[03:11:18.240] warehouse that's
[03:11:20.720] it's got an asbestous problem. So we no
[03:11:23.439] one could go in there. And he said,
[03:11:24.880] "Well, when can we go in there?" And
[03:11:26.160] they said, "About 10 years." And that
[03:11:29.439] was that was really the last of it. So
[03:11:32.000] the Smithsonian gets wrapped up in all
[03:11:33.520] these these weird conspiracies. There's
[03:11:37.040] the um the Akamaro statues, which is
[03:11:39.760] very controversial, which is like 3,000
[03:11:41.920] artifacts that show
[03:11:45.359] humans riding dinosaurs. They show
[03:11:49.200] Asians, Africans, you know, races that
[03:11:52.160] shouldn't be around there that are
[03:11:54.560] carbon dated to 2500 years ago, 3500
[03:11:57.200] years ago.
[03:11:58.880] And they're sent to Smithsonian. That
[03:12:00.640] Smithsonian said, "Yeah, these things
[03:12:01.840] are 30 years old. They're a hoax." But
[03:12:03.840] they were independently validated by
[03:12:06.399] other labs saying, "No, these things are
[03:12:08.479] really, really old." Smithsonian's like,
[03:12:10.000] "No, it's a hoax." And then as time goes
[03:12:12.640] on, all those other labs become
[03:12:14.399] discredited, like, "Oh, their techniques
[03:12:16.000] weren't modern." And and that's kind of
[03:12:17.840] where the Akamara has ended up as far as
[03:12:19.760] I know
[03:12:21.680] cuz I don't know if anyone really cares
[03:12:24.240] enough to follow up on stuff like that.
[03:12:25.840] I do.
[03:12:28.720] So I kind of want to know like what do
[03:12:30.720] you have down there? I I think they have
[03:12:33.920] almost a billion artifacts that we can't
[03:12:36.319] see and I just want to know what they
[03:12:38.160] are.
[03:12:38.960] >> So all those giant bones that were
[03:12:40.800] found. Okay. M I'm sure 99% of them are
[03:12:44.240] hoaxes and maybe there's a half a
[03:12:47.120] percent that were mastadon bones that
[03:12:48.960] were misidentified.
[03:12:51.840] But what what happened in Lovelock Cave?
[03:12:54.399] We know stuff was in there because there
[03:12:55.920] was a a tribal leader, a woman who
[03:12:59.279] became kind of famous a famous author.
[03:13:01.520] She used to she had red hair woven into
[03:13:04.080] like some of her like her traditional
[03:13:06.640] garb and she said it's from the Lovelock
[03:13:09.120] Giants. like where did she get that red
[03:13:10.880] hair?
[03:13:12.479] So, I'm not saying it's real. I'm just
[03:13:14.000] saying I would like to know what's
[03:13:16.240] what's the chain of custody
[03:13:18.240] >> there. So, there's just a lot of those.
[03:13:21.520] >> I mean, I this all came from biblical
[03:13:25.120] stuff though. Correct.
[03:13:26.399] >> Yeah. So, the the biblical giants, you
[03:13:29.920] don't see much of them in in like in in
[03:13:33.279] the canonical Bible. The Nephilim are
[03:13:35.359] mentioned once and I could talk about
[03:13:36.720] them a little bit, but we learn more
[03:13:38.640] about giants when the book of Enoch is
[03:13:40.560] discovered. And um the book of Enoch was
[03:13:45.760] discovered when
[03:13:47.840] like an adventurer, I forget when it was
[03:13:50.000] maybe 18th century, was looking for the
[03:13:52.000] source of the Nile River, which was kind
[03:13:53.840] of a big deal at the time. And he found
[03:13:55.600] it and it was somewhere in Ethiopia.
[03:13:58.800] and um he gets to know the the locals
[03:14:02.239] there and they're Ethiopian Jews that
[03:14:04.960] have been there for 3,000 years. So he's
[03:14:09.359] friendly with them. They take him up to
[03:14:11.439] their
[03:14:13.040] whatever you call it, their church, and
[03:14:14.880] he sees this giant book, you know what's
[03:14:17.520] like a giant book. What's that? He said,
[03:14:19.680] "That's the Bible." He said, "Oh, it's
[03:14:22.239] it's a Bible." They said, "No, no,
[03:14:23.680] that's the Bible." you know with the
[03:14:26.160] King James Bible I don't know how many
[03:14:27.600] books is like 66 or something like that
[03:14:29.680] where this had over 100 books and in
[03:14:32.319] there were book of Enoch the book of
[03:14:35.120] giants all all this other stuff so you
[03:14:38.319] have Genesis that starts
[03:14:40.960] you know um basically let there be light
[03:14:44.560] but in in this expanded Bible you have
[03:14:47.120] every all this stuff that happened
[03:14:48.399] before then so we know a little bit
[03:14:51.359] about Moses from the Bible but if you if
[03:14:53.200] you read these other books you learn all
[03:14:54.960] Moses and Enoch and Methuselah and these
[03:14:58.000] and these men are all related, you know,
[03:15:00.080] and going back this like 10 or 12
[03:15:02.239] generations from Adam. It's all in
[03:15:04.080] there.
[03:15:06.160] And this kind of ties in with the pseudo
[03:15:08.160] archaeology and how how mainstream wants
[03:15:10.880] you to stay in your lane. So, this book
[03:15:12.960] is discovered and they've had this for
[03:15:15.439] thousands of years. It there's the story
[03:15:18.399] of the the Queen of Sheba.
[03:15:21.439] There's only a little bit about her in
[03:15:22.640] the main Bible, but this expanded Bible
[03:15:24.239] has the Queen of Sheba going up to meet
[03:15:25.920] King Solomon and she's fascinated by him
[03:15:27.840] and they they fall in love and she gives
[03:15:30.960] him a child named Menelik and that ties
[03:15:33.840] into the Ark of the Covenant and all
[03:15:35.279] that stuff. So, we have that one story,
[03:15:38.000] but it's kind of an outlier. It's, you
[03:15:39.840] know, it's Ethiopian Jews, which is kind
[03:15:42.000] of kind of strange, but but legitimate.
[03:15:46.880] But then much later, the Dead Sea
[03:15:49.520] Scrolls are found. And then among the
[03:15:51.680] thousands of parchment are there's the
[03:15:54.319] book of Enoch, copies and copies of it
[03:15:57.040] and the book of giants.
[03:15:59.439] So the story is that there's
[03:16:02.720] these sky gods and this story for people
[03:16:06.800] who know it is going to track exactly
[03:16:08.479] with the Anunnaki. It's going to track
[03:16:10.239] right with it. This Bible story is going
[03:16:12.000] to track right with it. So, you've got
[03:16:13.040] these sky gods and they send watchers
[03:16:17.600] down to earth and their job is to
[03:16:21.359] shepherd and guide humans, teach them
[03:16:24.239] animal husbandry and agriculture and all
[03:16:26.800] that stuff. But the watchers become
[03:16:31.040] corrupt and fascinated with human women
[03:16:33.840] and hecklefish says, "Uh oh, that's not
[03:16:35.439] going to end well." And it didn't.
[03:16:38.960] So the the watchers who
[03:16:43.120] are probably angels, they interbreed
[03:16:46.000] with humans and then their offspring are
[03:16:48.319] the Nephilim. And the Nephilim are these
[03:16:50.399] they're giants. In some books, they're
[03:16:52.640] 350 ft tall. They're vicious. They're
[03:16:55.279] they're violent. They're they're
[03:16:56.800] cannibals.
[03:16:58.880] And these are the, you know, the unholy
[03:17:00.640] offspring of of the angels and humans.
[03:17:03.840] >> Is it angels and humans or demons and
[03:17:05.920] humans? uh you know in in the earlier
[03:17:09.120] books or in what's the difference
[03:17:13.040] >> you know I don't I don't think the the
[03:17:14.880] books really take a stance
[03:17:17.520] um
[03:17:19.200] because the the watchers are there with
[03:17:20.720] good intentions
[03:17:23.040] but you know I think there's lessons in
[03:17:24.880] all of that that you know any anyone
[03:17:26.640] could be corrupted
[03:17:29.040] uh certainly Persian women are pretty
[03:17:30.880] enough so the the giants now are
[03:17:36.000] They're ravaging the world and they're
[03:17:38.479] just making a mess of things. And that's
[03:17:40.000] when God decides it's got to stop. It's
[03:17:42.960] we got to start over. And then he wipes
[03:17:44.399] it away with the flood. But the book of
[03:17:46.560] Enoch expands on all of that and has him
[03:17:49.359] has Enoch going up to heaven to speak to
[03:17:53.200] God. And and that's that's heresy to say
[03:17:58.160] because heaven is not supposed to be a
[03:17:59.439] place like mortal man can't go to
[03:18:01.600] heaven. It certainly can't come back.
[03:18:02.880] But Enoch did and he was specifically
[03:18:05.279] taken there. I think he was taken there
[03:18:07.439] by Uriel
[03:18:10.239] and taken up there in a chariot of fire.
[03:18:12.720] And then Enoch is walking around heaven.
[03:18:15.920] But he's describing a place where he's
[03:18:18.640] seeing tall beings of light going about
[03:18:21.760] their business. And the walls are
[03:18:23.600] covered with how he describes his
[03:18:26.239] emeralds that are just blinking lights
[03:18:28.080] on and off.
[03:18:30.239] And
[03:18:32.080] he talks about how he can see all of the
[03:18:35.200] earth. And he describes how he can see
[03:18:37.840] how the winds are made. And I can see
[03:18:39.520] every lake and river on the earth.
[03:18:43.680] And when you think of heaven, you think
[03:18:44.880] of like, you know, clouds in the sky.
[03:18:46.399] But Enoch said that there's a a roof,
[03:18:49.920] there's a ceiling, and everything is
[03:18:52.319] shiny. And what it sounds like he's
[03:18:54.880] describing is a spacecraft. If you read
[03:18:57.359] the book, like if you read the book
[03:18:58.960] through a modern lens, it's like this
[03:19:00.560] guy is on a UFO is where Enoch is.
[03:19:04.880] >> So he's up there and and they take him
[03:19:08.640] all around the cosmos. And this is all
[03:19:10.319] in the book. He describes the solar
[03:19:12.560] system and
[03:19:15.200] he's told the Earth goes around the sun
[03:19:17.920] in 364 days, which we weren't supposed
[03:19:20.960] to know any of that then in the book of
[03:19:22.800] Enoch.
[03:19:24.800] And then he's given um a directive from
[03:19:26.880] God to go go take this message down to
[03:19:29.120] the Nephilim and the Watchers that you
[03:19:30.720] know if you don't get your [ __ ] together
[03:19:32.080] it's it's going to get bad down here.
[03:19:34.080] And they ignore the order and that's
[03:19:37.760] when that's when the flood comes and
[03:19:40.640] then only one man is chosen to survive
[03:19:43.120] the flood and that's Enoch's grandson
[03:19:44.880] and that's Noah. And that's that's where
[03:19:47.040] the Noah arc story comes from, but it
[03:19:49.200] tracks pretty closely with the Anunnaki
[03:19:51.279] story and the cataclysm
[03:19:54.399] and it tracks a little bit with um the
[03:19:56.640] epic of Gilgamesh and Utna Pishtim and
[03:19:59.600] the flood and a lot of these other
[03:20:02.160] stories.
[03:20:02.800] >> Wow, that's fascinating.
[03:20:04.720] >> I think so.
[03:20:06.080] >> Didn't the Didn't the
[03:20:09.279] Smithsonian cover up Adam and Eve or
[03:20:11.680] something?
[03:20:13.520] >> Are you talking about the Adam and Eve
[03:20:14.720] book?
[03:20:15.120] >> Yes. Oh, that's that's a different one.
[03:20:17.600] That's um so that's a book that was
[03:20:20.000] released in 1966 by Dr. Chan uh Chan
[03:20:23.840] Thomas and it's called the story of Adam
[03:20:25.760] and Eve.
[03:20:27.439] And if and that story title sounds cute
[03:20:30.720] until you read it and you realize he's
[03:20:32.080] talking about it really Adam and Eve.
[03:20:35.520] And the story about the story is it's
[03:20:38.239] this 278 page manuscript that is
[03:20:41.359] classified by the CIA and they've
[03:20:44.960] removed 200 pages only like 50 or 60
[03:20:47.600] pages left and half of those are blank
[03:20:49.680] and the CIA says it's been sanitized.
[03:20:52.319] And the reason that the CIA was so
[03:20:54.000] interested in in the book of Adam and
[03:20:55.600] Eve is because it describes the end of
[03:20:57.359] the world. And Dr. Thomas in the book
[03:21:01.600] talks about pole shifts and what happens
[03:21:04.080] when the poles shift. Something happens
[03:21:06.720] to the the inner core of the earth. The
[03:21:09.680] our electrical field gets thrown off.
[03:21:11.520] And when that happens, the poles shift.
[03:21:13.120] And it's something that happens over and
[03:21:14.720] over and over again. And his pole shift
[03:21:17.680] is a 90° shift. So Antarctica goes to
[03:21:20.479] the equator and the equator goes down
[03:21:23.359] south like it's it's violent
[03:21:27.040] and as it's shifting the atmosphere
[03:21:30.000] continues to rotate you know um west to
[03:21:32.960] east. So that just he describes in the
[03:21:35.359] book just
[03:21:37.200] walls of water and this wind and debris
[03:21:39.760] just tearing across everything. Cities
[03:21:41.920] are are reduced to waste. He says New
[03:21:44.319] York, Boston, Chicago, LA are nothing
[03:21:46.080] but memories. Um New York is at the
[03:21:48.560] bottom of the sea and um Antarctica is
[03:21:51.680] at the equator and becomes you know like
[03:21:54.239] a tropical land
[03:21:56.720] and the story is the CIA wanted this
[03:21:58.560] suppressed because it would cause chaos
[03:22:01.439] and all that
[03:22:03.760] and that was a story that was
[03:22:04.880] recommended that I cover and it was one
[03:22:06.880] that I got a lot of angry people angry
[03:22:10.000] at me because I debunked all of it. I
[03:22:11.520] debunked the the whole thing that um it
[03:22:14.239] was never 287 pages or whatever. It was
[03:22:16.800] just 50 60 pages and it was never
[03:22:19.439] classified. What happened was uh and
[03:22:21.920] they said Chan Thomas was a fake name
[03:22:23.600] but it's not. His name is Dr. Chanty
[03:22:26.880] uh Dr. Chanty Powers.
[03:22:30.160] Chanty Powers Thomas and the book was
[03:22:32.720] never classified. What happened was he
[03:22:35.680] was an engineer at McDonald Douglas
[03:22:37.439] working on anti-gravity and missile
[03:22:40.160] guidance and kind of some weird stuff
[03:22:42.080] like that. and his coworker said he's
[03:22:44.560] very intelligent but he's kind of
[03:22:46.239] eccentric.
[03:22:48.239] And what I believe happened cuz I found
[03:22:50.000] the CIA file on him is they've got the
[03:22:52.239] book but there's also like People
[03:22:53.920] magazine and there's a shopping list and
[03:22:56.239] there's just like random documents and I
[03:22:58.720] think it was just he's working on this
[03:23:00.880] like top secret top secret stuff. He's
[03:23:02.640] wacky.
[03:23:04.160] They probably had just an officer just
[03:23:06.319] keeping a an eye on him like we just
[03:23:08.479] keep a file on him because he's on
[03:23:10.880] Johnny Carson. you know, this is a weird
[03:23:13.600] this is a weird guy, you know, he's not
[03:23:15.120] supposed to do that kind of stuff. And
[03:23:17.520] then um and the book was never really
[03:23:19.840] classified. He updated it and updated
[03:23:21.279] it. It was never classified.
[03:23:23.760] Then later he writes a book about he
[03:23:26.319] updates it. He adds angels and UFOs and
[03:23:28.640] ESP into the book. It starts to get kind
[03:23:30.640] of wild. He writes another book about
[03:23:32.960] how uh to give natural child of birth,
[03:23:37.840] >> which was strange.
[03:23:39.680] >> Interesting. Where were you going with
[03:23:41.520] the Vatican?
[03:23:42.479] >> Uh, I wasn't going anywhere. We could
[03:23:43.840] talk about the Vatican.
[03:23:44.800] >> I'd love to talk about the Vatican.
[03:23:46.160] >> Man, where do we start?
[03:23:48.800] >> Where do we start with the Vatican?
[03:23:51.760] The Secret Archives.
[03:23:53.120] >> Yeah.
[03:23:54.720] What's in there?
[03:23:57.040] >> So many rumors about what's down there.
[03:23:58.640] The Vatican secret archives. They're
[03:24:00.720] down under the Vatican. They're called
[03:24:01.920] the Apostolic Archives. You can't go
[03:24:03.600] there. I mean, you can you can people
[03:24:06.080] can go to the Vatican archives. You have
[03:24:08.399] to um you have to get permission. is
[03:24:10.080] like a 10 to 15 year wait and you have
[03:24:12.080] to tell them what you what you want to
[03:24:13.600] see before you go. So, and while you're
[03:24:16.399] there, you can't touch anything. Someone
[03:24:18.080] will turn the pages for you and all
[03:24:19.359] that. So, it's you kind of can't go
[03:24:20.720] there. But rumored to be down there is
[03:24:23.120] the spear of destiny. The uh the ark of
[03:24:26.000] the covenant is supposed to be down
[03:24:27.520] there. The man,
[03:24:28.319] >> what is the spear of destiny?
[03:24:29.760] >> That is the spear of destiny or the holy
[03:24:31.680] lance was with the Roman soldier pierced
[03:24:35.200] Christ when he was on the cross. That's
[03:24:37.680] the spear of destiny. That was something
[03:24:39.359] that Hitler was very interested in
[03:24:40.960] finding. Hitler was chasing these
[03:24:42.880] artifacts all over all over the place.
[03:24:45.359] As soon as the Nazis concert conquered
[03:24:47.760] France, they started digging everywhere
[03:24:49.439] like um like the the Charters Cathedral
[03:24:52.720] was where the ark was supposed to be.
[03:24:54.080] They were digging up everywhere looking
[03:24:55.520] for stuff. It's like Indiana Jones was
[03:24:58.800] got a lot of those things right. Um my
[03:25:01.840] favorite object that's supposed to be
[03:25:03.120] down there is called a chronovvisor. And
[03:25:05.439] this is an object that lets you see
[03:25:07.359] through time.
[03:25:08.880] I don't know if you've ever heard of
[03:25:10.000] this.
[03:25:11.040] >> I don't think I have.
[03:25:12.080] >> So, chrono means time. Visor means sea.
[03:25:14.000] So, this is object that you can see
[03:25:15.200] through time. It was um invented by uh
[03:25:18.560] his name was um Pellegrino Ornetti.
[03:25:20.640] Father Pellerro Ernetti was he was a
[03:25:24.399] priest but he was also a physicist and
[03:25:26.000] he was like an expert at music and he
[03:25:29.040] was working with um I think his
[03:25:31.359] supervisor was father father Jimlly he's
[03:25:34.239] working at a university or something and
[03:25:36.000] what they're doing is they're studying
[03:25:37.600] Gregorian chants and listening to
[03:25:40.080] records and and cataloging things and
[03:25:42.640] they're listening to one record and
[03:25:44.239] father Jameli says I recognize that
[03:25:46.239] voice and they play it back and well
[03:25:48.720] who's that he's like that's my
[03:25:50.880] like, "Well, what is he saying?" He
[03:25:52.399] said, "Well, he's talking about leather
[03:25:55.120] and prices and well, it turns out his
[03:25:58.160] father was like a like a shoe maker,
[03:25:59.840] like a cobbler, and he heard his
[03:26:01.760] father's voice selling somebody's shoes.
[03:26:05.840] So, they end up isolating these voices
[03:26:09.120] and come to the conclusion that all the
[03:26:11.760] objects around us are vibrating with an
[03:26:14.239] energy and picking up all the
[03:26:16.239] conversations. everything we're saying
[03:26:18.080] is getting absorbed into everything
[03:26:19.520] around us and that if you can tune into
[03:26:21.600] the right frequency, you can hear that.
[03:26:24.080] And if you can really zero in on it, you
[03:26:26.239] can see what's going on. And Father
[03:26:28.960] Ernetti um gets together this group of
[03:26:32.239] rockstar physicists led by Enrico Fermy
[03:26:34.479] who worked on the Manhattan project, you
[03:26:36.000] know, a heavy hitter and nine or 10
[03:26:38.800] others. And they build this device
[03:26:40.880] called the chronovvisor.
[03:26:43.279] And Father Ernetti is goes and he looks
[03:26:46.479] back at Mussolini's speeches. Then he
[03:26:50.239] goes back further and he's looking at at
[03:26:53.520] at watching old Roman plays that no
[03:26:56.399] longer exist.
[03:26:58.640] And what really put it on the map was
[03:27:03.040] he took a picture of Christ's
[03:27:04.880] crucifixion and released it. And it was
[03:27:08.720] it's a wild photograph because it's it's
[03:27:12.239] Jesus Christ on the cross. Wow.
[03:27:15.760] And uh so and so he releases that to the
[03:27:19.520] public and it it hits the newspapers
[03:27:21.520] especially in Italy like like crazy. I
[03:27:23.920] think this was the 60s
[03:27:26.399] and becomes a sens sensation. So, I
[03:27:29.279] covered that story, but um but ended up
[03:27:32.960] finding out that the photo the the
[03:27:36.319] Christ in his photograph looks an awful
[03:27:39.279] lot like a Christ statue and that was
[03:27:41.600] carved somewhat recently to that era at
[03:27:44.720] that was in a cathedral in Spain.
[03:27:47.439] And it turned out that that's really
[03:27:48.720] what it was was he had this photograph
[03:27:51.359] that that he said he saw Christ, but but
[03:27:54.640] it was just his photograph of the
[03:27:55.840] statue. And then he backtracked a little
[03:27:57.359] bit and he said, "Well, you know, this
[03:27:59.600] is really the photograph and the statue
[03:28:01.359] is based on this, but that's that's not
[03:28:04.239] what happened."
[03:28:06.080] So we don't So the chroniser is just
[03:28:08.720] this legend. But but according to the
[03:28:11.680] story, the the Vatican releases a
[03:28:13.920] statement at some point that says that
[03:28:16.000] anyone who's caught trying to look or
[03:28:19.200] listen through time is excommunicated.
[03:28:22.880] And that's kind of how that story ends.
[03:28:24.399] I couldn't find any evidence of that.
[03:28:26.239] >> Wow, man. I thought you were going to I
[03:28:28.560] thought you were going towards I just
[03:28:30.479] watched this episode about this device.
[03:28:33.120] Actually, I saw it on
[03:28:35.760] this I can't remember if it was Graham
[03:28:37.359] Hancock or
[03:28:39.680] Builders of Ancient Mysteries or
[03:28:41.359] something. Bam. And they found this
[03:28:43.279] device at the bottom of the ocean
[03:28:45.040] supposedly. You ruined it for me, AJ.
[03:28:48.160] >> Anticther
[03:28:50.000] mechanism.
[03:28:50.640] >> Is that the thing where they they found
[03:28:52.399] it? And it had like all these gears and
[03:28:54.319] none of the watch maker like they had
[03:28:56.080] hublau come out and they were the only
[03:28:57.920] ones that were able to replicate it and
[03:28:59.600] it was supposedly like this
[03:29:01.520] >> I don't know 12,000y old device or
[03:29:04.000] something and it perfectly simulated uh
[03:29:07.120] the rotation of the solar system.
[03:29:08.960] >> Yes. And the the stages of the moon and
[03:29:12.319] a lot of different it was like a
[03:29:15.680] a mechanical almanac is what it was that
[03:29:18.880] all these phases of the moon but
[03:29:22.720] That wound up being [ __ ] right? It
[03:29:25.359] >> not [ __ ] It's I mean it's a real
[03:29:27.840] thing and the craftsmanship is amazing.
[03:29:30.560] What's most amazing is that it survived
[03:29:32.479] at the bottom of of the sea for a
[03:29:34.720] thousand years or whatever. But as they
[03:29:37.279] recreated it, they learned that the
[03:29:39.439] technology to do this existed. Watch
[03:29:42.239] makers, it they can do this.
[03:29:44.720] >> It just and not a lot of that stuff
[03:29:46.640] survived because it's so delicate.
[03:29:48.960] >> But this was at the bottom of the sea.
[03:29:50.880] Um
[03:29:52.479] I I think it's still fascinating.
[03:29:56.000] >> I mean even a thousand years ago to be
[03:29:57.920] able to simulate that. So they did have
[03:29:59.680] that technology.
[03:30:00.880] >> Yeah. To to to make gears and do all
[03:30:03.279] that stuff. They did. Um if you look at
[03:30:06.720] like Archimedes goes back even further
[03:30:09.040] than that. And some of the technology he
[03:30:11.520] came up with was wild. I mean, the
[03:30:13.600] Archimedia screw is still is still used
[03:30:15.600] as a way to like get water to flow
[03:30:18.239] backwards because it goes up up a screw.
[03:30:20.720] It's like a revolutionary thing. But he
[03:30:23.439] had he was famous for creating all these
[03:30:27.439] crazy weapons. And one of his famous
[03:30:29.840] weapons was these giant mirrors that he
[03:30:32.960] used to to burn the the Roman fleet when
[03:30:35.760] they were sailing into I think he was I
[03:30:38.160] think it was from Sicily
[03:30:40.560] was Archimedes. So
[03:30:44.720] the these ancient cultures, they're just
[03:30:47.200] way more
[03:30:49.040] intelligent and and then I think we give
[03:30:51.920] them credit for,
[03:30:55.040] you know, which goes back to to the
[03:30:56.960] giants and the suppression and if it's
[03:30:58.880] not doesn't fit what we know about
[03:31:01.200] Egypt, then it's wrong and you're an
[03:31:03.040] idiot.
[03:31:04.880] But our ancestors were were pretty
[03:31:07.279] resourceful. They made some cool stuff.
[03:31:09.359] >> Yeah, no kidding. I mean, back to
[03:31:10.960] Stonehenge, Machu Picchu, Easter Island,
[03:31:13.920] the pyramids, all that stuff, man. It's
[03:31:16.000] wild. It's like,
[03:31:17.760] >> yeah, the ball back stone. They don't
[03:31:19.359] even know how they made that. That's,
[03:31:21.279] you know, it's like,
[03:31:22.319] >> what's the ball back stone?
[03:31:23.680] >> That's in Lebanon. There's They just
[03:31:25.359] found a third one not too long ago. The
[03:31:27.840] I think the biggest one is called the
[03:31:29.120] stone of the pregnant woman, and it's
[03:31:32.000] massive. Like you It's just a It's a big
[03:31:34.880] block, and it's it's dramatic looking
[03:31:36.720] cuz it's kind of laying in the ground at
[03:31:38.640] an angle. You can only get a sense of
[03:31:40.960] the scope if you see a person standing
[03:31:43.439] on it because they're like that tall.
[03:31:45.120] And they don't know how this was
[03:31:46.399] quarried because it's perfect. And it's
[03:31:49.120] it's it's the biggest megalith that
[03:31:51.359] we've ever found is this this giant
[03:31:53.200] stone. They don't know what it was for.
[03:31:54.560] They don't know who built it or how they
[03:31:56.319] possibly could have done it. But then
[03:31:58.000] they found another stone
[03:32:00.560] and um there's these megalithic
[03:32:02.640] structures all over the area that are
[03:32:04.239] huge stones. They don't know how to put
[03:32:05.600] them in place. And then they just found
[03:32:06.880] a third stone very recently that I think
[03:32:09.040] is bigger than the other ones.
[03:32:11.760] Something like 20 million pounds. Like
[03:32:13.680] unbelievable.
[03:32:14.560] >> Holy [ __ ]
[03:32:17.040] man. You uncover some wild stuff, too.
[03:32:19.760] >> It's all rabbit holes,
[03:32:21.520] >> man. It's cool. I love it. I I remember
[03:32:24.479] watching this one where there's these
[03:32:27.200] holes in the ground and uh I think it's
[03:32:29.439] the Northwest, right?
[03:32:31.120] >> It's Mel's hole.
[03:32:32.560] >> Is that what it is? where this guy was
[03:32:34.560] like put fishing line down there. He
[03:32:36.239] could never find the bottom.
[03:32:38.080] >> Yeah, that's um that's Ellensburg,
[03:32:41.279] Washington. That's so so do you want me
[03:32:44.160] to tell you the story?
[03:32:45.040] >> Yeah. Do you But for do you ever go see
[03:32:46.960] this stuff?
[03:32:48.239] >> No, not really.
[03:32:50.640] >> Why?
[03:32:52.800] >> Well, I mean, if I debunk a story, why
[03:32:55.120] go see it?
[03:32:56.239] >> Did you debunk that?
[03:32:58.160] >> How can I tell the How can I tell you
[03:33:00.000] that I haven't told a story yet?
[03:33:02.800] Let's hear it.
[03:33:04.479] >> All right.
[03:33:06.000] Mel Waters um buys this property in
[03:33:08.800] Ellensburg at like Manastach Ridge in
[03:33:11.200] Washington in that area. And um there's
[03:33:14.080] a hole on his property and he sees that
[03:33:17.040] like all his neighbors are throwing all
[03:33:18.560] kinds of crap into the hole like old
[03:33:20.479] washing machines and all kinds of stuff.
[03:33:23.120] They're just using it as a dump. And so
[03:33:24.880] he starts doing the same thing. They're
[03:33:26.160] all just throwing stuff in the hole. And
[03:33:28.479] after a while he wonders, "Why does this
[03:33:30.560] not fill up?" He very strange.
[03:33:34.560] So he goes over there and he's just kind
[03:33:36.720] of he can't see the bottom. He can't
[03:33:38.640] hear an echo and he's out there
[03:33:40.960] investigating with his dog and he's
[03:33:42.720] looking and he looks and his dog won't
[03:33:44.479] come close. Like his dog is like will
[03:33:47.760] not come near the hole. And he looks up
[03:33:49.840] and birds are flying around it like no
[03:33:52.960] nothing wants to come near this hole. So
[03:33:55.520] he wants to figure out how deep this
[03:33:56.880] thing goes. And he's a fisherman. So he
[03:33:58.800] puts fishing line down there and he's
[03:34:00.720] got 5,000 ft and
[03:34:03.520] he doesn't hit bottom. He does another
[03:34:05.120] spool. He's got 10,000 ft. He ties life
[03:34:07.200] savers on the bottom of it to put it
[03:34:08.720] down there to see if they'll come up
[03:34:10.239] dissolved. Maybe it's a well 20,000 ft.
[03:34:13.680] 50,000 till he hits about 16 miles of
[03:34:16.720] line down and he doesn't hit the bottom
[03:34:18.960] with it.
[03:34:20.160] >> So he he 16 miles of line
[03:34:23.439] >> 16 miles of line. So
[03:34:25.520] >> 16 or 60?
[03:34:26.960] >> 16.
[03:34:27.760] >> Jeez.
[03:34:28.479] >> Um and he notices that his radios are
[03:34:32.720] acting weird. He's got when he's out
[03:34:34.479] there working, he's listening to his
[03:34:35.840] radio, but and when his radio is near
[03:34:38.720] the hole, he's picking up these strange
[03:34:41.279] things like he's hearing oldtime music
[03:34:43.920] and which doesn't make sense. And then
[03:34:45.279] he tunes a little bit and he catches a
[03:34:46.720] baseball game. He listens to that for a
[03:34:48.560] minute and realizes it's a game from 30
[03:34:50.239] years ago. So something is affecting
[03:34:52.640] like time around around the hole.
[03:34:57.359] So, at at this point, he calls into Art
[03:35:00.080] Bell at Coast to Coast. I don't know if
[03:35:01.920] you remember Art Bell in that show.
[03:35:05.680] >> So, he's telling Art this story about
[03:35:07.520] how how weird this hole is.
[03:35:10.399] >> Uh he talks about how one of his
[03:35:11.840] neighbors, his dog died, and he threw
[03:35:13.279] the dog down the hole and the next day
[03:35:15.760] he sees his dog running through the like
[03:35:18.479] through the woods with his collar on,
[03:35:20.080] but he won't come. It's like he acts
[03:35:21.520] like he doesn't know him. like the hole
[03:35:23.359] is the hole is doing weird stuff in the
[03:35:25.760] area. So he talks to Art Bell a little
[03:35:28.399] bit about it
[03:35:30.239] and then Art is trying to get in touch
[03:35:32.640] with him and can't and then finally does
[03:35:35.600] and Mel Waters says I wish I never
[03:35:37.920] called you. He said so I I talked to you
[03:35:41.279] and he he was out of town for that
[03:35:43.520] interview. He said I got back into town.
[03:35:45.439] I couldn't get on my property. Said
[03:35:47.279] there was heavy machinery there. There
[03:35:49.279] was military there. Um I they wouldn't
[03:35:52.399] let me up. Some guy in plane clothes
[03:35:54.560] came down and said you can't come in
[03:35:56.720] here. Said why this this is my property.
[03:35:59.200] Said there was a plane crash so we have
[03:36:01.680] to investigate it. There's no evidence
[03:36:03.040] of the plane crash. There's no news.
[03:36:05.760] And Mel starts to get kind of upset.
[03:36:08.319] It's my property, my land. And then the
[03:36:09.920] guy in plain clothes says I'm not saying
[03:36:12.080] we will, but we could find a drug
[03:36:13.760] factory or something on this land. I'm
[03:36:15.920] just, you know, saying that that could
[03:36:18.000] happen if you want to press this. And Mo
[03:36:21.359] Waters said, you know, I'll go to the
[03:36:22.800] I'll go to the I'll go to the press. The
[03:36:24.720] guy's like, tell whoever you want. No
[03:36:26.319] one's going to believe you. And he gets
[03:36:27.920] run off his property. and and you don't
[03:36:30.560] know if it's a hoax or not, but Artbell
[03:36:33.680] talks to a news crew that goes to the
[03:36:36.000] property and they find evidence of
[03:36:38.399] tractor tracks in the mud and evidence
[03:36:41.200] that there was a a military presence
[03:36:44.160] there along with machinery and it's
[03:36:46.640] still all blocked off.
[03:36:49.520] Mel is eventually contacted by some
[03:36:53.359] intelligence and offered a deal $2
[03:36:55.600] million. you leave the country, you
[03:36:57.600] never come back and you lease us the
[03:37:00.800] property or sell us the property, you
[03:37:02.160] just never come back. So Mel goes
[03:37:04.000] overseas for a while. And this story on
[03:37:06.560] our belt go is 10 years that he checks
[03:37:09.920] in.
[03:37:11.840] So Mel is overseas. He's in Australia
[03:37:14.399] and um it's something like his niece is
[03:37:16.960] graduating. He wants to come back. He's
[03:37:18.720] not supposed to come back at all, but he
[03:37:20.880] decides to come back anyway.
[03:37:23.279] And he's taking a bus. He lands wherever
[03:37:26.080] and he's taking a bus and there's some
[03:37:28.399] type some type of issue where breaks out
[03:37:30.560] on the bus. There's a fight or
[03:37:31.760] something. The bus pulls over and
[03:37:33.359] everyone gets off but he's kind of he's
[03:37:35.760] not allowed off like they're holding him
[03:37:38.319] back. They get everyone off. Couple of
[03:37:40.479] guys kind of grab him. He feels like a
[03:37:42.720] pinch and then he blacks out and he
[03:37:45.760] wakes up 12 days later and he's in San
[03:37:48.239] Francisco in an alley
[03:37:50.720] and he doesn't know what's happened for
[03:37:52.800] the last 12 days and he tastes blood in
[03:37:55.359] his mouth and he starts he realizes his
[03:37:58.720] back teeth are missing like it it's a
[03:38:01.760] crazy story
[03:38:03.840] and he's telling all this to Art and uh
[03:38:08.800] Art helps him like find a find a place
[03:38:10.720] to Okay.
[03:38:12.720] And he says, "Art, I just got contacted
[03:38:15.359] from um
[03:38:17.680] native tribe and
[03:38:20.319] uh the people are called the Basque. I
[03:38:22.399] don't know if you know the Basque.
[03:38:23.439] They're it's a region between like
[03:38:25.520] France and Spain. It's a little area
[03:38:27.359] people call the Basque. It's
[03:38:30.319] it's a small community, but it's very
[03:38:32.239] unique. So, a lot of Basque settled in
[03:38:34.479] Nevada in like the uh 19th century. So
[03:38:37.760] this native tribe is working with the
[03:38:39.600] Basque and they call Mel and they want
[03:38:41.439] him to come out because they found
[03:38:42.640] another hole.
[03:38:45.439] Story gets weirder from here. So he goes
[03:38:48.399] out to like consult with them about the
[03:38:50.960] hole. And that hole is different. Mel's
[03:38:53.200] hole was about 9 ft around uh 9 ft wide
[03:38:58.080] with this stone retaining wall. This
[03:39:00.399] hole is nine feet, but it's it's got
[03:39:03.279] this metal collar, and it's metal all
[03:39:05.200] the way down as far as the eye can see,
[03:39:07.439] and it won't vibrate at all. Like, Mel
[03:39:09.840] drops a tool or something on it, and it
[03:39:11.439] doesn't make a sound. It's very strange.
[03:39:15.200] So, they don't bother trying to find the
[03:39:17.200] bottom of it. They just start putting
[03:39:19.680] things down the hole to see what
[03:39:21.200] happens. They start by putting ice cubes
[03:39:23.359] down just to see, is it hot down there?
[03:39:25.040] So, they put these ice cubes down the
[03:39:26.560] hole. They pull the ice cubes up and now
[03:39:28.720] the ice cubes are hot and they catch on
[03:39:33.120] fire like they they get transformed in
[03:39:35.040] the hole. Story gets weirder. And they
[03:39:37.920] do that
[03:39:39.920] for a while and they actually take ice
[03:39:42.239] and some of them are using it to heat
[03:39:44.160] their homes. It's It's very weird. So
[03:39:47.200] then they say someone volunteers to go
[03:39:49.920] down the hole and they're like, "No, no,
[03:39:52.080] you can't do that." But they're a
[03:39:53.520] shepherd colony. So they send a sheep
[03:39:56.160] down the hole in a in a crate and they
[03:39:58.399] send the and the sheep doesn't want to
[03:40:00.000] go. Animals don't like this thing. Birds
[03:40:01.760] fly around it. They don't animals don't
[03:40:03.279] want to go. So the sheep is freaking
[03:40:04.800] out. And they send the cage down at like
[03:40:07.600] 1,200 ft and it stops moving and they
[03:40:10.319] pull it up and the sheep is dead, but it
[03:40:12.560] looks totally fine.
[03:40:15.920] So it's since it's a shepherd culture,
[03:40:18.080] they know how to butcher a sheep. So
[03:40:19.359] they said, "We'll do an autopsy on it.
[03:40:20.880] We'll butcher it." So they butchered the
[03:40:22.479] sheep and the entire inside cavity of
[03:40:25.200] the sheep is gone and inside is a giant
[03:40:28.000] tumor just like just this disgusting
[03:40:31.600] huge tumor.
[03:40:34.080] And um they cut the tumor open and
[03:40:37.840] inside is what Mel described as a fetal
[03:40:42.720] seal like the fetus of a seal with human
[03:40:45.920] eyes and it's looking at them and uh
[03:40:51.200] they kind of just set this seal looking
[03:40:53.920] thing out for a while. Well, it's
[03:40:55.279] looking at it's they're looking at each
[03:40:56.720] other for a couple of hours and then it
[03:40:59.600] eventually
[03:41:01.600] kind of inches it way back down into the
[03:41:03.520] hole. And once it does that,
[03:41:07.439] Mel, who had esophageal cancer, is now
[03:41:10.319] cancer free. Like everyone who is sick
[03:41:12.560] in the village is now healed.
[03:41:15.200] And the people there think this is some
[03:41:17.680] like divine thing that with this with
[03:41:21.040] this they call it a magic seal.
[03:41:24.960] and they believe that it's communicating
[03:41:27.359] with them through this radio in like
[03:41:29.920] some type of Morse code. They don't know
[03:41:31.200] if it's alien language or not.
[03:41:35.439] And he's telling Art that
[03:41:38.640] I I I've got pictures of this. They've
[03:41:40.560] got recordings of it. I've got all this
[03:41:42.080] stuff, photographs,
[03:41:46.239] and they they finally set up, you know,
[03:41:48.160] an interview to go over all the
[03:41:49.600] evidence, but but Mel never shows. and
[03:41:52.720] Art is never able to get a hold of him
[03:41:54.880] again. And that's kind of where the
[03:41:56.720] story ends.
[03:41:58.800] And you know, it starts out like a
[03:42:01.279] really interesting story, but the
[03:42:02.880] theory, at least what I came up with was
[03:42:06.239] he the story just got so I I mean, I
[03:42:08.640] left out so many crazy details cuz how
[03:42:10.560] much time do we have that the story was
[03:42:12.720] getting so out of hand that I don't
[03:42:13.920] think he could keep up with the hoax
[03:42:15.040] anymore. And he was just like, I can't
[03:42:16.560] how do you how do you top magic seal
[03:42:19.040] fetus that heals cancer?
[03:42:21.680] So, that was a story that I went into
[03:42:24.160] just cuz I liked um you know, I'm a huge
[03:42:25.920] Art Bell fan and that's a classic Art
[03:42:27.840] Bell story. That's you know, that's one
[03:42:30.000] of the top ones. Uh I wish it had a
[03:42:32.479] better ending. It's so anticlimactic,
[03:42:35.279] but but it just was such a fun journey
[03:42:37.680] and it just has so many opportunities
[03:42:39.439] for jokes in there and stuff. We I have
[03:42:42.399] a t-shirt on the It's one of the most
[03:42:45.359] popular shirts. is um I went to Mel's
[03:42:47.040] Hall and all I got was this magic seal
[03:42:49.279] gus.
[03:42:50.800] I wear it all the time.
[03:42:53.359] >> So, was the hole there?
[03:42:55.600] >> So, people have tried to find the hole
[03:42:57.439] and a couple of people have said they
[03:42:59.120] found it. So, I was doing some some some
[03:43:02.479] research. What was very strange was
[03:43:05.760] the area where the hole was supposed to
[03:43:07.520] be uh on Terra server, which is like
[03:43:10.720] before Google Maps, was all blacked out.
[03:43:12.880] It was all like redacted, which is very
[03:43:14.800] strange.
[03:43:16.960] But later it does show up on Google
[03:43:18.479] Maps. So people's tried to Mel gave a
[03:43:22.319] lot of information of that you you could
[03:43:25.600] probably find it. I found one place that
[03:43:30.399] was very compelling because Mel said on
[03:43:32.720] his property he had one building that
[03:43:34.560] was kind of falling down from snow and
[03:43:38.080] um I'm looking at the pictures of the
[03:43:39.600] property and that building is there and
[03:43:41.040] then right across the way is a hole
[03:43:43.680] that's 9 ft wide with a stone retaining
[03:43:46.239] wall and I looked at that and I'm like
[03:43:48.960] no way that I I for a second there I
[03:43:52.800] thought this was Mel's hole but it was
[03:43:55.520] investigated it was just a
[03:43:57.760] and the property belongs to somebody.
[03:44:00.800] But that's one of those stories where I
[03:44:02.000] like debunked it and then I found the
[03:44:03.680] pictures. I was like, "No,
[03:44:06.239] damn."
[03:44:10.239] >> Yeah.
[03:44:11.199] >> Stuff's crazy, man.
[03:44:12.800] >> I know. This kind of stuff that I talk
[03:44:14.479] about and that's, you know, sometimes
[03:44:16.239] the stories just get weirder and weirder
[03:44:17.920] and then they just they just fall down.
[03:44:19.760] That's that's Mel's hole. Just a crazy
[03:44:22.239] story with no strong ending.
[03:44:24.319] >> Damn. How do you find these?
[03:44:26.399] >> Well, that was easy to find because as
[03:44:27.920] as an Art Bell fan, I can name like the
[03:44:30.160] top five episodes that are my favorites,
[03:44:33.120] you know? So, Mel's Hole is one Art Bell
[03:44:35.040] fans know that one, you know, they know
[03:44:36.640] that one In and Out. I that's why it's
[03:44:38.479] so popular. Artbell fans don't know me,
[03:44:40.319] but they're like, "Oh, Mel's Hole. I
[03:44:41.520] want to hear about that." So, I knew
[03:44:43.920] about that one already. You know, most
[03:44:46.239] of the other stuff, it's either sent
[03:44:47.760] into me or it's my brother is into all
[03:44:50.800] the weird stuff. you know, he goes to
[03:44:52.080] the UFO conventions and hangs out with
[03:44:55.680] with with, you know, Thomas Jane and
[03:44:58.000] Barefoot and talks about UFOs and stuff.
[03:44:59.920] He does all that crazy stuff. So, he'll
[03:45:01.760] he'll say, "Oh, you got to you got to
[03:45:03.199] look into this. You got to look into
[03:45:04.319] that."
[03:45:05.520] >> And I know if it sounds really stupid
[03:45:07.040] that it's going to be a good one.
[03:45:09.600] Have you looked into Bigfoot?
[03:45:11.840] >> Yeah, I looked into it. I looked into
[03:45:14.479] it. Um,
[03:45:17.520] you know, the the the famous part of
[03:45:20.560] Bigfoot is the Patterson film. It's it
[03:45:23.040] looks pretty good. That's it's the one I
[03:45:24.960] that I think everyone's seen. You see
[03:45:26.399] the Bigfoot, he's kind of walking in the
[03:45:27.920] distance. He's kind of and he looks back
[03:45:29.439] over his shoulder. That's that's the
[03:45:31.439] Patterson film. It's pretty compelling.
[03:45:33.680] But almost every piece of Bigfoot
[03:45:35.680] evidence is it's been hoaxed.
[03:45:37.520] >> Yeah. Sounds like the uh Loch Ness
[03:45:40.080] monster.
[03:45:40.640] >> Lochess monster. Also, I I couldn't find
[03:45:42.640] any evidence of it. the famous photos. I
[03:45:44.640] debunked all of those. It's like,
[03:45:45.760] >> yeah, didn't it have taken in a bathtub
[03:45:47.680] or something?
[03:45:48.319] >> One of those was it was a bathtub. One
[03:45:51.040] was just a boat. People hated that one.
[03:45:54.160] But Bigfoot's fun because there's
[03:45:55.680] there's native stories that go back a
[03:45:57.520] long time that talk about these these
[03:45:59.520] giant creatures covered in hair, but
[03:46:01.439] they lived interdimensional. So, it's
[03:46:04.399] like you're not going to go find them
[03:46:05.680] because they can just phase into a
[03:46:07.920] different dimension.
[03:46:08.720] >> Yeah.
[03:46:09.040] >> Which is convenient, but
[03:46:10.399] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[03:46:11.439] >> Yeah. I'm not a Bigfoot guy. Those are
[03:46:13.439] called cryptids, which are these
[03:46:15.040] creatures that are like outside of, you
[03:46:17.040] know, cryptozoolology. And I don't like
[03:46:19.199] crypted stories. I do them because
[03:46:21.120] people like them. So, I covered like all
[03:46:24.640] all weird creatures, whether it's the
[03:46:26.880] Jersey Devil or Bigfoot or Chupacabra or
[03:46:29.680] all these creatures. I cover them
[03:46:30.960] because people like them. But there's
[03:46:32.479] the evidence always sucks. And my show
[03:46:34.960] is not like
[03:46:37.920] when I was starting the channel looking
[03:46:39.520] at these topics, there were two types of
[03:46:41.359] channels. were the ones that were all
[03:46:42.800] in, you know, Darren, right? Just
[03:46:45.359] everything's true. And it's like, yeah,
[03:46:47.359] but what about it's like, no, no, no,
[03:46:49.040] true. And then the the other stories
[03:46:51.359] were just people telling these weird
[03:46:54.080] stories, but they're like snarky and
[03:46:55.359] sarcastic, like kind it's condescending.
[03:46:57.760] I don't want to name any YouTube
[03:46:58.960] creators, but you know who you are. And
[03:47:02.239] that annoys me because that's just
[03:47:03.520] making the story about you, about how
[03:47:05.279] smart you are, and I'm stupid because I
[03:47:06.880] think this is a cool story. So, there
[03:47:08.720] was just that.
[03:47:10.319] So, I said, "Well, why don't I tell the
[03:47:13.279] story and make it fun and then if anyone
[03:47:15.920] wants to stick around for what I found,
[03:47:17.760] I'll do that." And most people don't. I
[03:47:20.560] >> You do a damn good job of it.
[03:47:22.399] >> As soon as I say, "But is it true?" I
[03:47:24.239] see the numbers go, everyone's like,
[03:47:25.600] "Nope, don't care.
[03:47:28.560] Don't care."
[03:47:30.000] >> Oh, man. What um if I can ask, you don't
[03:47:34.000] have to answer this, but what do you
[03:47:36.000] what do you what do you nine up for the
[03:47:37.760] future?
[03:47:40.399] It's really just the conversation end of
[03:47:42.880] the of the show. That's the next phase
[03:47:45.520] is to the studio is built. It's called
[03:47:47.680] the basement. It looks great. It's like
[03:47:51.600] what you would imagine would be the
[03:47:52.960] basement underneath the Wi-Fi studio.
[03:47:55.040] It's kind of kind of old school and and
[03:47:57.120] and musty. It's super fun. It's ready to
[03:48:00.000] go. All it's just waiting for is me to
[03:48:02.319] have the guts to book a couple of people
[03:48:03.680] and get to work.
[03:48:04.960] >> Well, I hope you find it quick. I really
[03:48:07.520] do. I'm looking forward to that. I think
[03:48:09.439] that's gonna be awesome.
[03:48:12.800] Awesome. Well, AJ, man, I'm I'm just so
[03:48:17.520] thankful that we connected. I loved this
[03:48:19.520] interview. It's one of my favorite.
[03:48:21.199] >> Well, thank you for letting me ramble.
[03:48:22.800] >> Hey. Hey, anytime you want to come here
[03:48:25.120] and ramble,
[03:48:26.319] >> I'll just come here and shoot.
[03:48:27.760] >> Hey, we could do that, too. I got a lot
[03:48:29.760] more guns than the than the uh
[03:48:31.600] Winchester lever action and the Sig. So,
[03:48:35.279] >> thank you.
[03:48:35.680] >> Love to have you again. I would and uh
[03:48:39.120] maybe at some point I can come check out
[03:48:40.640] the new studio,
[03:48:42.080] >> please. Anytime.
[03:48:43.040] >> I would love that. Well, thank you, man.
[03:48:45.040] >> Good for seriously
[03:48:47.680] work.
[03:48:48.399] >> Awesome.
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