Danny Sheehan Reveals Grusch's Hidden Role, Slams AARO and Questions Lue Elizondo

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-JG1itmE3k
• Publisher: That UFO Podcast
• Published: 2026-08-06
• Duration: 01:39:00
• Speaker: Daniel Sheehan
• Host: Andy
• Capture: YouTube captions with timestamps, extracted 2026-08-06
• Note: Automatic-caption artifacts are preserved. Names are frequently rendered phonetically, including Grusch as "Grush," Elizondo as "Alzando," AARO as "Arrow," and Bigelow as "Bigalow."
• Analysis: ../../queries/2026-08-06-new-claims-sheehan-grusch-aaro-elizondo
• Profile: ../../sources/sheehan-disclosure-attorney

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[00:00:00.080] Lou Alzando has conveyed to me the exact
[00:00:05.120] longitude and latitude down to the
[00:00:07.359] minute and second of the location off
[00:00:10.639] the Baja Peninsula in off Guadalupe
[00:00:14.639] Island where they have actual videotape,
[00:00:19.039] gun camera videotape proof of UFOs
[00:00:22.720] coming to that particular site and
[00:00:25.279] plunging under the ocean with no splash
[00:00:28.400] at all. and traveling at from 200 to 400
[00:00:32.239] miles an hour under the water. What
[00:00:34.719] people didn't know and I can reveal that
[00:00:36.719] one of the things that the challenge
[00:00:38.320] that was raised to the security
[00:00:40.559] clearance of Lou Alzando and the
[00:00:43.360] challenge to the security clearance of
[00:00:45.360] Chris Melon for having been the source
[00:00:47.760] of the information to the New York
[00:00:49.440] Times. The person who was assigned to
[00:00:52.160] review their security clearances and to
[00:00:54.879] determine whether or not they were going
[00:00:56.399] to continue to have their security
[00:00:57.920] clearances was David Grush that people
[00:01:00.399] don't know that every time I got ready
[00:01:02.719] to give him a direct source of this, he
[00:01:05.680] would put down his pencil and stop
[00:01:07.520] taking notes. I told him flat out that
[00:01:10.240] he's lying when he tells Congress that
[00:01:12.720] they've not received any information of
[00:01:15.119] any specific details of anybody who was
[00:01:17.520] involved in a crash retrieval program.
[00:01:20.080] He's just plain lying to them. There's a
[00:01:22.560] legal term that covers what it is that
[00:01:24.479] Trump is trying to do with that. It's
[00:01:27.040] called This proposal on the
[00:01:29.759] part of Trump is nothing but a catch and
[00:01:32.159] kill. That was exactly the term that
[00:01:34.400] Matthew Brown used. This is a catch and
[00:01:36.960] kill program to lure the whistleblowers
[00:01:39.680] into a setup.
[00:01:41.920] >> My guest today is constitutional
[00:01:43.920] attorney Daniel Sheen. Danny has spent
[00:01:46.399] decades working around some of the most
[00:01:48.399] consequential political, legal, and
[00:01:50.560] national security issues in modern
[00:01:52.799] American history. He has also
[00:01:54.720] represented key figures within the
[00:01:56.320] current UP disclosure movement,
[00:01:58.000] including Lu Alzando, and has held
[00:02:00.079] extensive conversations with David
[00:02:01.759] Grush. In this interview, Danny makes
[00:02:04.479] several significant new claims. He
[00:02:07.040] describes a previously unknown role
[00:02:09.119] David Grush allegedly played in
[00:02:11.120] reviewing challenges to the security
[00:02:13.040] clearances of Lzando and Chris Melon. He
[00:02:16.720] directly accuses former Arrow director
[00:02:18.720] Shan Kirkpatrick of ignoring named
[00:02:20.800] sources and specific information
[00:02:23.040] provided during Dany's testimony before
[00:02:25.360] later telling Congress that Arrow had
[00:02:27.200] received nothing actionable. We also
[00:02:29.440] discussed the proposed UP governance
[00:02:31.120] board, whether or should accept a
[00:02:33.840] position within it, the presidential NDA
[00:02:36.239] waiver, alleged retaliation against
[00:02:38.160] whistleblowers, and the federal
[00:02:39.920] racketeering complaint Danny says he has
[00:02:42.239] been asked to help prepare. These are
[00:02:44.480] serious allegations involving named
[00:02:46.480] individuals, and they should be treated
[00:02:48.400] as Danny Sheen's account unless and
[00:02:50.720] until they are independently
[00:02:52.239] corroborated.
[00:02:53.760] This is one of the most direct,
[00:02:55.200] detailed, and grounded conversations
[00:02:57.280] I've ever had with Danny. Welcome to
[00:02:59.760] That UFO podcast.
[00:03:09.760] Welcome back to the podcast, Danny
[00:03:11.440] Sheen. Danny, how are we?
[00:03:13.360] >> Terrific. Great, Andy. It's always great
[00:03:15.440] to be with you.
[00:03:16.800] >> It's been a while and again, so much has
[00:03:19.360] happened in that time. And uh we were
[00:03:21.760] going to record this say 48 hours ago. I
[00:03:24.480] had a little bit of a boo boo where
[00:03:25.840] perhaps I never sent you the link and
[00:03:27.599] both of us were scrambling wondering
[00:03:29.120] where each other were. But even in that
[00:03:31.440] time so much more has happened. So the
[00:03:33.840] interview has changed again. But what I
[00:03:36.159] want to do Danny is I want to give a
[00:03:37.920] voice to the voiceless. And so often on
[00:03:40.640] YouTube comments particularly, there are
[00:03:43.040] people who shout out questions I don't
[00:03:45.120] think they ever think will be asked or
[00:03:46.959] be brought up because they feel they may
[00:03:49.200] be a little bit negative or on the the
[00:03:51.599] lacking constructive side. And I I said
[00:03:53.599] to you, let's go for it first. And
[00:03:55.760] >> PB Productions, and I've not given Danny
[00:03:58.159] a heads up on this question. I've just
[00:04:00.159] said I was going to ask a certain
[00:04:01.360] question to start off. Okay.
[00:04:03.200] >> So EB Productions says, I'll give you
[00:04:05.599] the whole rundown now of the Danny Sheen
[00:04:08.000] interview. Number one, he will say he's
[00:04:10.400] worked with and seen extraordinary
[00:04:11.920] things that can change the world. Number
[00:04:14.080] two, he will say he has or knows what
[00:04:16.560] and where secret data is. Number three,
[00:04:19.280] he will drop one or two new bombshell
[00:04:21.199] updates. Then he will proceed to
[00:04:23.120] offuscate, dodge, deny, or straight
[00:04:25.120] refuse to elaborate, ending up with
[00:04:26.720] nothing actionable or tangible proof.
[00:04:29.199] Danny, welcome to the podcast.
[00:04:31.120] >> Terrific. Glad to be here. Glad to be
[00:04:33.919] here. Oh, I hope I can satisfy this
[00:04:36.160] person.
[00:04:37.120] >> Yeah. and listen and but do you know
[00:04:38.800] what especially in the world of YouTube
[00:04:40.560] I want to give people a voice but what
[00:04:42.880] do you say let's start there where
[00:04:45.199] you're coming on shows like this you're
[00:04:47.440] you're speaking at events and I will
[00:04:50.560] speak from my point of view and not put
[00:04:52.160] words in other folks mouths I assume you
[00:04:54.960] have a level of knowledge far beyond
[00:04:57.280] what the average person including myself
[00:04:59.440] does on this topic that is through
[00:05:02.320] decades of research decades of
[00:05:04.639] connections and work with other people
[00:05:06.479] with various levels of access
[00:05:08.639] clearances. Some of them maybe never
[00:05:11.039] even had necessarily great access but
[00:05:13.520] maybe were very well credentialed
[00:05:14.960] researchers. So you've put together all
[00:05:17.280] of this knowledge and working process
[00:05:20.160] through all of that. So what do you say
[00:05:22.880] then when you come on shows like this
[00:05:25.039] and you get people saying sheen says the
[00:05:27.600] same stuff we never get any further
[00:05:29.600] forward. What's your take? Well, now the
[00:05:33.280] the reality is is that the the the
[00:05:36.160] people that I've spoken with are in
[00:05:38.320] different categories. You know, for for
[00:05:40.479] example, when when I was first
[00:05:43.759] introduced to this whole subject
[00:05:45.440] professionally back in 1976,
[00:05:48.240] uh when President Carter was elected,
[00:05:50.479] you know, the the data that I had gotten
[00:05:53.840] came from number one, uh Dr. Marshia
[00:05:57.440] Smith, who was the head of the
[00:05:59.680] Congressional Research Service, uh,
[00:06:01.840] Science and Technology Division. She's
[00:06:04.240] the one that conveyed to me the details
[00:06:07.199] about the meeting that took place
[00:06:09.120] between President-elect Carter and
[00:06:12.000] George HW Bush, the head of the Central
[00:06:14.639] Intelligence Agency. Okay. So she's the
[00:06:17.440] one that conveyed all of that
[00:06:18.880] information to me and she is the one who
[00:06:21.680] was assigned responsibility for
[00:06:24.319] conducting the research and
[00:06:26.000] investigation on the part of the
[00:06:27.759] Congressional Research Service. Okay. Uh
[00:06:30.479] into the whole UFO issue. So that's
[00:06:33.919] that. So unless unless someone were
[00:06:36.240] going to be talking directly to her uh
[00:06:39.199] and she has resisted being interviewed
[00:06:43.360] by by any sources at all.
[00:06:46.720] uh uh about the details of that
[00:06:49.919] investigation. Uh but she is the source
[00:06:53.039] of that information. Okay. Now then I
[00:06:56.319] got to see the actual uh copies of the
[00:07:00.160] classified portions of Project Blue
[00:07:02.400] Book. Uh, I saw that uh and I traced the
[00:07:07.199] the actual uh details of the the symbols
[00:07:11.199] on the base of the dome of the UFO that
[00:07:15.520] was in those photographs. Okay. now that
[00:07:19.280] people would have to subpoena the the uh
[00:07:22.639] Air Force and get those documents, you
[00:07:27.520] know, in order to prove there it is that
[00:07:30.880] there there are the photos and that that
[00:07:33.039] was a it was clearly not the Roswell
[00:07:35.680] crash because the the UFO in that
[00:07:38.720] particular set of photographs was
[00:07:40.560] completely intact. Uh and there was snow
[00:07:43.360] all over the ground, you know, where it
[00:07:45.360] had plowed through this big this big
[00:07:47.440] trench through the through this field.
[00:07:50.160] So, but the the Congress of the United
[00:07:53.039] States has the authority. The House
[00:07:55.199] Oversight Committee, you know, James
[00:07:57.120] Comr, you know, the head of the
[00:07:58.879] oversight committee has subpoena power.
[00:08:01.840] if they wanted to subpoena the United
[00:08:04.080] States Air Force and say, "Look, we want
[00:08:06.720] to know the details of you bringing the
[00:08:09.680] files, the classified portions of
[00:08:12.000] Project Blue Book to Washington DC to
[00:08:15.520] the Madison uh uh extension or annex of
[00:08:19.199] the Congressional Research uh the
[00:08:21.360] National Archives. We want the
[00:08:23.440] documents." You you obviously sent there
[00:08:25.840] were four different security guys that
[00:08:28.080] were there. They moved the files all
[00:08:30.800] there and put them in the room. Uh they
[00:08:33.680] obviously had exchange of communications
[00:08:36.399] going on pursuant to which they agreed
[00:08:38.880] to do that. So all of those things are
[00:08:41.279] available. Uh and those things are
[00:08:43.360] available if James Comr were willing to
[00:08:46.000] issue a subpoena uh to the Air Force to
[00:08:49.519] demand that information. He has this the
[00:08:52.399] specific details of the information that
[00:08:55.440] they would subpoena. Right. Okay. Now
[00:08:58.800] the next the next group of people that I
[00:09:01.279] got to interview directly uh about this
[00:09:04.560] whole thing uh were well they could also
[00:09:08.000] verify if they wanted to the fact that I
[00:09:10.560] was asked to go and brief the top 50
[00:09:13.519] scientists as SETI out at the Jet
[00:09:16.080] Propulsion Laboratory uh that I was
[00:09:18.880] asked to by Dr. Marshia Smith. I was
[00:09:22.560] invited by the scientists themselves to
[00:09:25.120] go and brief them uh on the theological
[00:09:28.399] implications of contact with an
[00:09:30.880] extraterrestrial intelligence. Okay. So
[00:09:33.920] that all of those records are there. The
[00:09:36.160] there's records at the Jet Propulsion
[00:09:38.160] Laboratory, the SETI program, uh of when
[00:09:41.360] that occurred in early 1977.
[00:09:45.680] All of those documents are there. The
[00:09:48.240] most that I can do is attest to it. uh
[00:09:51.760] and give people the directions who are
[00:09:53.760] in a position of authority to be able to
[00:09:55.760] subpoena that information. Uh so I mean
[00:09:59.279] that my detailing that information
[00:10:02.000] enables them to provide the type of
[00:10:04.560] specificity to a subpoena that they
[00:10:06.640] would need to have. Okay. So that was
[00:10:09.120] the next uh iteration of information
[00:10:11.440] that I've conveyed to people and that if
[00:10:14.480] they can get those files that were
[00:10:16.320] brought to Washington DC and put in the
[00:10:19.120] Madison uh building they the photographs
[00:10:22.079] will be there of the a UFO crash
[00:10:25.600] retrieval. There isn't any doubt
[00:10:27.360] whatsoever what that was because you
[00:10:29.760] could tell from the the fact that it had
[00:10:31.920] plowed this trench all the way through
[00:10:33.680] this field and it was stuck in the side
[00:10:36.000] of this embankment. you know, that's not
[00:10:37.680] a normal landing. That's some kind of a
[00:10:40.240] crash, you know, and the these Air Force
[00:10:42.959] personnel that were all around it, I've
[00:10:44.399] described them in detail that were
[00:10:46.880] taking the photographs, including the
[00:10:49.360] the film camera, uh, the one I've
[00:10:52.000] described with the two pods, the two
[00:10:54.000] little canisters on top of it, you know.
[00:10:56.399] So, there's film footage of that whole
[00:10:58.800] thing, uh, that whole recovery uh, of
[00:11:01.279] that UFO crash, which is subpoenaable.
[00:11:04.240] Okay. So then the next the next uh
[00:11:07.440] information that I really was able to
[00:11:09.519] get was when I was retained by Dr. John
[00:11:12.160] Mack uh to represent him uh in front of
[00:11:15.519] the Harvard faculty committee. Those
[00:11:18.560] faculty committee uh hearings were all
[00:11:21.839] recorded, you know. Uh so if anybody
[00:11:25.120] wanted to contact Harvard University and
[00:11:28.720] demand that those records be made
[00:11:31.120] available, if Congress wanted to find
[00:11:33.760] out, you know, what it was that was done
[00:11:36.160] at Harvard University to try to punish
[00:11:39.760] Dr. John Mack. clearly for attempting to
[00:11:42.800] publicly reveal what was going on there.
[00:11:45.440] Uh that they know exactly where those
[00:11:47.600] records are. You know, I I told him that
[00:11:49.760] it was Realman, Dr. Realman who was the
[00:11:53.839] uh the editor and chief of the New
[00:11:56.240] England Journal of Medicine is the one
[00:11:58.480] who chaired that particular committee.
[00:12:01.120] Uh they know that the legal council for
[00:12:03.279] Harvard University was present during
[00:12:05.519] those during those meetings. uh and so
[00:12:09.040] that they anybody who wants to get that
[00:12:11.279] information uh knows exactly where to go
[00:12:13.760] to try to get it. All right. Now uh in
[00:12:17.200] addition to that the the project for
[00:12:20.079] extraordinary experience
[00:12:22.639] uh research the peer group that uh John
[00:12:25.839] Mack uh assembled there in Cambridge you
[00:12:29.440] know uh that wherever those records are
[00:12:33.200] those records exist that show that there
[00:12:35.920] were repeated gatherings of experiencers
[00:12:40.399] direct face-to-face experiencers that
[00:12:42.800] had been abducted and brought on craft
[00:12:46.079] and my presence in meetings with them,
[00:12:50.079] you know, where they related the
[00:12:51.920] information. They weren't relating the
[00:12:54.000] information exclusively to me. What they
[00:12:56.560] were doing is they were discussing it
[00:12:58.320] among themselves
[00:13:00.320] uh when I was present. So, I was present
[00:13:03.360] for direct face-to-face information that
[00:13:06.399] was being conveyed, you know, uh uh in a
[00:13:09.680] sense to me as well as others in the
[00:13:11.600] meeting of the details of what their
[00:13:13.839] experiences were. So, when I report that
[00:13:17.040] that there are credible witnesses who
[00:13:20.320] have testified to the fact that they've
[00:13:22.240] had face-to-face encounters with the
[00:13:25.200] occupants of UFOs who were non-human
[00:13:28.880] and that they were communicated to uh
[00:13:31.839] telepathically
[00:13:33.680] by these beings, these nonhuman
[00:13:36.399] occupants of the UFO craft. And they
[00:13:39.680] were being warned specifically by these
[00:13:42.560] beings telepathically to have to get rid
[00:13:45.360] of nuclear weapons that you've got to
[00:13:48.079] get rid of nuclear weapons or else
[00:13:50.240] you're going to have a thermonuclear war
[00:13:52.880] which will destroy your entire human
[00:13:54.880] civilization. Now uh those those uh
[00:13:58.560] details are available now that they
[00:14:02.320] didn't record those meetings uh you know
[00:14:05.600] because for privacy the people were
[00:14:07.680] providing me but but one can can get in
[00:14:11.360] touch with the people that that the peer
[00:14:14.000] group when when John Mack was killed
[00:14:17.279] accidentally in London in 2004
[00:14:21.680] uh the peer group tried to continue to
[00:14:24.480] function but they didn't they basically
[00:14:26.399] closed uh and now there are there are
[00:14:29.680] people that were officials you know uh
[00:14:32.160] Rudy Shields you know who's one of the
[00:14:34.480] doctors who worked with Dr. MAC uh was
[00:14:37.600] is reachable to confirm th those
[00:14:40.560] meetings taking place. U and the records
[00:14:43.440] of the peer group uh exist. You know
[00:14:47.040] that there are people that can be
[00:14:48.720] contacted that were on the board of
[00:14:50.639] directors of the peer group the project
[00:14:53.680] for extraordinary experience research
[00:14:55.839] who can confirm that those meetings all
[00:14:58.560] took place. Okay. So that and and uh now
[00:15:02.320] the uh additional uh information that I
[00:15:05.440] was able to get was for the uh when I
[00:15:08.800] was asked in in 2001
[00:15:12.160] uh to actually become general counsel to
[00:15:15.360] the disclosure uh project with uh with
[00:15:18.959] Dr. Steven Greer uh and was asked to vet
[00:15:22.800] the people who were these hundreds of
[00:15:26.480] witnesses that had been interviewed on
[00:15:29.120] video uh that uh that Steven Greer had.
[00:15:33.519] Uh, and I was asked by Steven Greer to
[00:15:36.000] become legal counsel for the disclosure
[00:15:37.920] project to vet the people so that we
[00:15:40.959] would have two dozen of the most
[00:15:42.880] credible of those witnesses to present
[00:15:45.680] at the uh the May uh 2001
[00:15:50.800] uh uh meeting at the National Press Club
[00:15:54.240] to brief people from Congress and their
[00:15:56.720] staff uh on firstirhand information of
[00:16:00.320] many of whom were US government
[00:16:02.560] employees.
[00:16:04.000] uh who were providing that information.
[00:16:06.399] You can get the footage of that meeting.
[00:16:08.880] You can see that I was there physically
[00:16:11.279] in the capacity as general counsel uh
[00:16:14.000] and I actually testified you know in
[00:16:17.279] that set of hearings. Okay. So the that
[00:16:20.560] people can dispute that if they want to
[00:16:22.639] and they could say that well there's no
[00:16:24.240] there there you know uh but you know we
[00:16:27.600] had you know one of the major
[00:16:29.199] investigators for the FAA the Federal
[00:16:31.600] Aviation Agency there and others uh so
[00:16:35.199] they can see who those witnesses were.
[00:16:37.279] They can they can evaluate for
[00:16:39.279] themselves you know how credible they
[00:16:41.360] believe those people to be. So when I
[00:16:44.880] relate uh in the the second person those
[00:16:48.800] testimonies that those people provided,
[00:16:51.120] there's actual video footage showing
[00:16:53.920] that those that that I was there for
[00:16:56.639] that testimony and and therefore when I
[00:16:59.519] convey to others that that I have been
[00:17:02.399] present for that kind of testimony which
[00:17:04.559] I found to be credible uh that I' I've
[00:17:07.600] never pretended anything other than the
[00:17:09.839] fact that I was present and heard this
[00:17:11.839] information uh and I found it to be
[00:17:14.400] credible because that was actually my
[00:17:16.799] assignment as general counsel to decide
[00:17:20.240] which of those people were credible so
[00:17:22.319] that they could be presented to the
[00:17:24.160] national press uh back in in May. Okay.
[00:17:27.280] So all of that is is easily confirmed.
[00:17:30.960] uh and the f the fact that I was
[00:17:33.039] retained to uh be well also general
[00:17:36.720] counsel to the citizens uh public
[00:17:39.600] hearings in 2013
[00:17:42.799] that uh that Stephen uh uh Steve uh
[00:17:47.520] Basset helped organize. You know,
[00:17:50.080] there's video footage there too uh of my
[00:17:53.520] presence on the dies with the
[00:17:56.000] congressional members, the retired
[00:17:58.400] congressional people. uh you know uh
[00:18:01.200] serving as general counsel to that
[00:18:03.039] operation. Uh and I was present for the
[00:18:05.840] testimony of all of those individuals
[00:18:08.640] and uh and so there's no there's there's
[00:18:11.039] certainly no pretense on my part that uh
[00:18:14.080] that I somehow had some secret meetings
[00:18:17.200] with those people. Uh those were all
[00:18:19.919] public. Uh and the testimony is on
[00:18:22.400] record. There's a video footage of it
[00:18:24.960] and it's available on I think it's
[00:18:27.679] available on YouTube uh that people can
[00:18:30.080] get all of those records. Okay. And and
[00:18:33.039] there are numerous uh shots in there of
[00:18:36.480] me participating as general counsel uh
[00:18:40.000] to to that operation. So if anybody has
[00:18:42.720] any questions about that, you know that
[00:18:45.840] all all I can do is convey to others
[00:18:48.720] what that testimony was and I can assert
[00:18:52.000] that I found it as the person there who
[00:18:55.200] was responsible for determining who was
[00:18:57.360] going to be presented as witnesses that
[00:19:00.080] all I can do is convey the fact that I
[00:19:02.240] found that testimony to be credible. Now
[00:19:05.200] what I do do uh as an attorney is I
[00:19:09.039] present the information it like
[00:19:11.440] virtually in the first person declaring
[00:19:14.720] what it is that they said.
[00:19:17.120] >> Okay? Because it's just like you get you
[00:19:19.679] get into a trial and you say, you know,
[00:19:22.080] the the I'm telling you as the lawyer in
[00:19:24.880] this case that I'm going to be
[00:19:26.799] presenting the witnesses on the stand
[00:19:29.360] and I'm telling you what it is they're
[00:19:31.760] going to tell you. Okay? Uh, and so what
[00:19:34.799] I do is I consistently assert to the
[00:19:38.000] jury that this is the truth. You know,
[00:19:41.840] I'm telling you as the attorney that has
[00:19:44.240] responsibility under rule 11 to only put
[00:19:47.200] on witnesses whom I personally have
[00:19:49.600] investigated and confirm that they're
[00:19:51.600] telling the truth that I can tell you in
[00:19:54.880] the jury what the facts are here. Okay?
[00:19:58.240] But there's no pretense on the part of
[00:20:00.160] the lawyer that they were there when a
[00:20:03.280] particular shooting took place, you
[00:20:05.679] know, or what whatever the facts are
[00:20:07.919] that are at issue in the trial. Uh but I
[00:20:10.960] do undertake to convey to the jury that
[00:20:13.760] this is the truth of the matter. Now,
[00:20:16.559] that could be confusing to some people
[00:20:18.880] to suggest that somehow I'm pretending
[00:20:22.080] that somehow I know this uh by my own
[00:20:24.960] direct personal knowledge. But I think
[00:20:27.600] that's just more confusion on their part
[00:20:30.240] uh than anything else. Uh and then that
[00:20:33.360] the the fact that I am that was the
[00:20:35.919] attorney for Lou Alzando
[00:20:38.799] uh to help him prepare and file the
[00:20:42.240] complaint that he filed with the
[00:20:44.320] inspector general's office uh of the
[00:20:46.880] defense department, you know, uh back in
[00:20:50.240] 2021
[00:20:53.200] uh is again just a matter of record. I
[00:20:56.080] mean, if if they want to subpoena the uh
[00:20:58.799] the the meetings uh where we met with
[00:21:01.440] the inspector general and his staff uh
[00:21:04.320] and conveyed the information to them, uh
[00:21:07.520] there are people that were in those
[00:21:09.280] meetings. uh they could be subpoenaed uh
[00:21:11.919] and they can ask what the information
[00:21:13.840] was that Lou conveyed to them uh with me
[00:21:17.120] serving as his attorney and information
[00:21:19.919] that I in fact conveyed to the inspector
[00:21:23.120] general in my own capacity uh at the
[00:21:26.640] time. Okay, that all all of those
[00:21:29.440] records are subpoenaable. All of this
[00:21:31.679] really comes down again and again to the
[00:21:33.760] question of whether the Congress of the
[00:21:35.840] United States is going to do its job.
[00:21:39.280] You know, that they they have subpoena
[00:21:41.200] power. They're authorized to subpoena
[00:21:43.600] people from the executive branch and
[00:21:45.919] command them under the potential
[00:21:48.400] punishment of of uh contempt of Congress
[00:21:52.159] uh if they refuse to answer their
[00:21:53.840] questions or refuse to provide the
[00:21:56.159] documents that they're subpoenaing.
[00:21:58.559] Okay. And one of the major problems we
[00:22:00.640] have right now is that Congress isn't
[00:22:02.880] doing that. The that, you know, Congress
[00:22:05.679] is kind of uh asking for the
[00:22:08.000] information. They're sending letters
[00:22:09.600] requesting the information. They're
[00:22:11.520] being stiffed by the executive
[00:22:13.120] department. you know, uh that uh but the
[00:22:16.960] so one of the major issues that I keep
[00:22:18.960] returning to over and over again is
[00:22:21.600] critiquing the Congress of the United
[00:22:23.760] States for not exercising their
[00:22:26.159] constitutional authority to get at this
[00:22:28.960] information. I've always been willing to
[00:22:31.280] give them the details and have given
[00:22:33.200] them the details in direct face-to-face
[00:22:35.919] conversations
[00:22:37.600] and with them giving them the details so
[00:22:40.000] that they can subpoena the actual
[00:22:42.400] primary source of all of these pieces of
[00:22:44.880] information uh that that we've uh that
[00:22:47.520] I've conveyed. Now again what what I do
[00:22:50.400] do and that may be again what's causing
[00:22:52.799] the confusion on the part of these
[00:22:54.400] people is that I sit here and convey the
[00:22:58.480] information
[00:23:00.320] uh as though I knew it to a direct
[00:23:03.520] certainty. Okay? And so I just say
[00:23:06.640] rather than go through the whole
[00:23:07.840] procedure to say here's who said it to
[00:23:09.600] me and here's where I was and this is
[00:23:11.200] why I found them to be credible. What I
[00:23:13.760] do is I will say things like for example
[00:23:16.000] that there are five different species
[00:23:18.960] you know of these of these
[00:23:20.640] extraterrestrial beings and that there's
[00:23:22.720] the small grays and there's the tall
[00:23:25.280] whites you know there are the reptilians
[00:23:28.320] there are the uh mantis people you know
[00:23:31.919] uh and then I always raise the caveat
[00:23:34.240] about these you know homo sapiens that
[00:23:36.880] they're asserting come from the pletes
[00:23:39.280] uh the the so-called Nordic types you
[00:23:42.320] know I I always say that I'm I'm
[00:23:46.400] uh uh hard I I find that hard to believe
[00:23:50.240] because if we cross that line and say,
[00:23:52.640] "Oh, they're actually homo sapiens, you
[00:23:54.880] know, of of the particular species that
[00:23:56.799] we happen to be on one particular planet
[00:23:59.120] in the midst of this entire galaxy that
[00:24:02.000] oh, by the way, they're also uh on a
[00:24:04.480] planet uh that is orbiting the star, the
[00:24:07.600] main star in the Pleaides. you know that
[00:24:10.080] I don't know that to be true and I don't
[00:24:12.640] I have not yet been convinced that
[00:24:14.960] that's true. So that what what I can say
[00:24:17.840] there there are things that I believe
[00:24:20.720] that are conceivably not true. Uh and
[00:24:24.640] there are things that that I uh I hear
[00:24:28.640] and they they may be credible but I have
[00:24:31.679] not yet formed the belief personally
[00:24:34.080] that they're true and so I don't say
[00:24:37.200] that. But things that I have in fact
[00:24:40.159] come to a conclusion to be true, I stay
[00:24:43.200] as facts, which is what I do as a trial
[00:24:46.400] attorney. Okay? And I think that's
[00:24:48.960] what's causing the person the problem.
[00:24:51.360] So what I can do uh in the face of any
[00:24:54.000] given challenge, I can either tell you
[00:24:56.880] who the source of that is so you know
[00:24:59.279] who to go and talk to to see if they're
[00:25:01.600] if they're willing to confirm it. uh or
[00:25:04.080] if you want to if you're in a position
[00:25:05.600] to issue a subpoena to them to that this
[00:25:08.080] is who you subpoena, this is the
[00:25:09.760] information that you ask them about uh
[00:25:12.480] and if they're willing to testify about
[00:25:14.960] it. Uh it will confirm what the source
[00:25:18.000] is that I have for the information. Uh
[00:25:21.120] so so that's the bottom line. I've tried
[00:25:23.279] to do everything I can do to direct the
[00:25:25.600] people in positions of authority to the
[00:25:28.480] actual firsthand witnesses uh in the
[00:25:32.480] firsthand documents that I know of that
[00:25:35.520] exist uh and to put the onus on them to
[00:25:39.120] get them. Uh that so that's what that's
[00:25:41.679] what I do as an advocate uh and as an
[00:25:44.400] attorney. you know, I'm conveying this
[00:25:46.720] information to the people in positions
[00:25:48.960] of authority and I believe that the
[00:25:52.240] people the people who are watching your
[00:25:55.200] podcast and other people's podcast, I
[00:25:58.080] believe that they're entitled to the
[00:26:00.400] information. And so what I do is I
[00:26:03.039] convey the information to them. Uh, and
[00:26:06.000] in most of the cases, I make clear who
[00:26:08.480] it is that are in possession of that
[00:26:11.679] firsthand knowledge. So that's that's
[00:26:14.559] what I've done to date. Uh and so that
[00:26:17.360] all I can do is I can convey to you, you
[00:26:19.919] know, I I can say to you, for example,
[00:26:22.320] that uh that Lou Alzando uh has conveyed
[00:26:25.919] to me the exact longitude and latitude
[00:26:30.240] down to the minute and second of the
[00:26:32.559] location off the uh off the uh uh Baja
[00:26:37.679] Peninsula uh in off Guadalupe Island
[00:26:42.000] where they have uh actual videotape uh
[00:26:46.080] gun camera videotape proof of UFOs
[00:26:49.679] coming to that particular site and
[00:26:52.240] plunging under the ocean with no way no
[00:26:55.760] splash at all uh and traveling at from
[00:26:59.200] 200 to 400 miles an hour under the water
[00:27:02.799] uh down to some kind of location or site
[00:27:06.720] uh on the floor of the ocean right
[00:27:08.559] there. Okay. And now so that when there
[00:27:12.400] are occasions when I will just declare
[00:27:14.880] that that's true rather than saying this
[00:27:18.400] is what has been conveyed to me you know
[00:27:21.440] by Lou Alzando
[00:27:23.760] uh but that it's not that I'm reluctant
[00:27:26.240] to do that because Lou has conveyed that
[00:27:28.960] information to me. Uh, and so all that
[00:27:32.080] that I'm doing is shortcircuiting this.
[00:27:35.200] Instead of spending lots of time giving
[00:27:37.120] you the details of who the source is and
[00:27:38.960] what the information is, I simply
[00:27:41.360] declare that it's true. And then people
[00:27:43.840] can say, "Oh, well, you know, Sheen
[00:27:46.240] didn't tell me, you know, anything that
[00:27:48.400] has confirmed it, you know, well then go
[00:27:51.520] talk to them, you know, go talk to the
[00:27:54.240] sources themselves. I'll tell you who
[00:27:56.320] they are, you know, unless unless
[00:27:58.080] someone has conveyed information to me,
[00:28:00.399] you know, uh that that for example, I've
[00:28:03.279] gone all the way flying to the places
[00:28:05.919] and going to their homes and
[00:28:07.760] interviewing people personally in their
[00:28:09.679] homes who have given me direct
[00:28:11.679] information which I find to be
[00:28:13.679] extraordinarily credible and and and
[00:28:15.840] convincing to me. Uh and I convey that
[00:28:18.640] information substantively. Uh, and I
[00:28:21.440] haven't revealed who a few of those
[00:28:23.919] sources are, but I'm I'm as upset as
[00:28:26.240] most anybody else is to keep hearing
[00:28:28.080] information and not really know who the
[00:28:30.000] source of it is, you know. So, I try to
[00:28:32.399] keep that to a minimum. So, virtually
[00:28:35.360] everybody that I talk to uh assumes that
[00:28:39.360] the information that they're giving me
[00:28:41.279] that I'm going to sooner or later convey
[00:28:44.960] that to the people because I'm the
[00:28:47.919] people's advocate. you know, I I haven't
[00:28:50.240] taken any national security oaths. I
[00:28:52.960] haven't signed any non-disclosure
[00:28:54.720] agreements, you know, and when when Sean
[00:28:57.840] Kirkpatre uh was interviewing me at
[00:29:01.200] Arrow uh and told me that I was
[00:29:04.480] restricted from being able to tell
[00:29:06.399] anybody where the uh the interview took
[00:29:10.000] place or where their offices were. I've
[00:29:12.480] not conveyed to anybody uh where those
[00:29:14.880] offices are of Arrow. Okay. I respected
[00:29:18.240] that. Uh but that and but but when he
[00:29:22.240] said that I shouldn't be talking to
[00:29:23.679] anybody about what it is that I've
[00:29:25.440] disclosed to them, you know, I respected
[00:29:28.159] that until Sean Kirkpatre started to go
[00:29:31.919] public in asserting that they had not
[00:29:34.399] been provided any evidence of anybody
[00:29:37.919] being involved in direct UFO crash
[00:29:40.559] retrievalss. You know, I I gave I gave
[00:29:43.679] him the names of people. Clifford Stone,
[00:29:47.760] for example, that that was directly
[00:29:49.919] involved in retrieval of these crash
[00:29:53.039] UFOs and the bodies of of the the beings
[00:29:56.000] there. And I gave I I gave Shank
[00:29:58.720] Kurpatre the name uh of of these people.
[00:30:01.679] And what I noticed is that every time I
[00:30:03.760] got ready to give him a direct source of
[00:30:06.399] this, he would put down his pencil and
[00:30:08.880] stop taking notes. So that there was
[00:30:11.679] like no record of the of the source that
[00:30:14.799] would somehow compel him to go talk to
[00:30:16.799] them, you know, and and so I agreed to
[00:30:19.840] go public with that. And so I told him
[00:30:22.399] flat out that he's lying when he tells
[00:30:24.880] Congress that they've not received any
[00:30:26.720] information uh of any specific details
[00:30:29.679] of anybody who was involved in the crash
[00:30:31.600] retrieval program. Uh he's just plain
[00:30:34.399] lying to them. And so I was not
[00:30:36.480] reluctant to say that. Uh so but most of
[00:30:39.760] the time I don't uh I I do not uh take
[00:30:43.440] shelter in saying there's some uh secret
[00:30:45.919] source that I've got uh that uh that I'm
[00:30:48.799] not going to tell you about.
[00:30:50.960] So that's that's the short answer to
[00:30:53.039] that uh that question.
[00:30:56.000] >> I'm glad I've hit the record button,
[00:30:57.520] Danny, and not made a mistake there.
[00:30:59.120] Listen, um I really appreciate the
[00:31:01.039] answer and what I hope that does is not
[00:31:04.159] only for for people like he and it's a
[00:31:06.240] perfectly reasonable question, okay? And
[00:31:07.919] I get there's all different types of
[00:31:09.279] folks in this conversation who who often
[00:31:11.679] don't have their voices heard and it's
[00:31:13.200] easy to ask the easy questions.
[00:31:15.440] >> But what I hope that does
[00:31:17.120] >> is give people an idea with not only
[00:31:19.279] your extensive legal background but how
[00:31:21.679] after decades of speaking to people,
[00:31:23.600] making connections, having those
[00:31:25.760] conversations, this is how you arrive at
[00:31:27.919] the answers you do.
[00:31:29.440] >> That's right.
[00:31:30.159] >> Not I I cannot and you cannot and no one
[00:31:33.360] can convince anyone to believe someone
[00:31:35.760] whether they want to or not. Some people
[00:31:37.440] will just not want to believe. It
[00:31:39.440] happens in every single conversation had
[00:31:41.519] across this topic.
[00:31:42.799] >> But like I say, I hope that gives folks
[00:31:44.240] a foundation for the rest of the
[00:31:45.679] interview to understand when you answer
[00:31:48.159] something, where the answer's coming
[00:31:49.519] from, how you answer it.
[00:31:51.360] >> That's right.
[00:31:51.760] >> And perhaps give them an avenue to look
[00:31:53.519] at it and go,
[00:31:54.720] >> maybe I want to find out more about
[00:31:56.240] this. How does Danny know this? And and
[00:31:58.240] you mentioned Louondo.
[00:32:00.000] >> And I think we have to start there
[00:32:01.360] because Lou's name is redot right now in
[00:32:04.159] the topic for for various reasons.
[00:32:06.799] something I often forget to ask you, but
[00:32:08.720] right now what is your direct
[00:32:10.480] relationship with Luzando?
[00:32:13.039] >> Well, that it's a he he retained me to
[00:32:17.519] help him prepare uh and to represent him
[00:32:20.480] in the filing of the major complaint
[00:32:22.960] with the inspector general's office of
[00:32:25.279] the defense department. Uh and so and to
[00:32:29.039] assist him in getting the information
[00:32:32.399] out to the public. Uh he and I had long
[00:32:35.600] conversations about the nature of my
[00:32:38.240] representation of him because out of all
[00:32:41.440] the lawyers in the world that Lou might
[00:32:43.360] have called to to ask to represent him
[00:32:46.799] in that process, you know, he called me,
[00:32:50.240] you know, I didn't call him. I didn't
[00:32:51.919] pursue him. you know, he called me uh
[00:32:54.720] and asked me to come down to meet with
[00:32:56.559] him down in uh the where the
[00:32:59.679] headquarters was at that time of the To
[00:33:01.679] the Stars Academy uh in Ensenas, right?
[00:33:06.000] Uh down south of San Diego. and he and I
[00:33:09.200] had like two or three different
[00:33:10.960] face-to-face meetings there uh at that
[00:33:13.679] office uh and discussed, you know, how
[00:33:17.360] uh kind of an odd couple we were uh for
[00:33:20.880] him uh with his background and me with
[00:33:24.000] my background to come together to
[00:33:26.799] basically confront the defense
[00:33:28.559] department uh about the fact that they
[00:33:31.120] were lying to Congress and lying to the
[00:33:34.000] American people and engaged in this
[00:33:36.240] major completely unconstit institutional
[00:33:38.399] and illegal psychological operations
[00:33:41.360] against the citizens of the country and
[00:33:43.760] against Congress. Okay? He was indignant
[00:33:46.720] about that. Now, I I will tell you that
[00:33:49.519] I was completely supportive of how
[00:33:52.399] indignant he was of that. Uh but but he
[00:33:56.240] was actually sensitive to the
[00:33:58.559] constitutional question, you know, uh
[00:34:01.600] before I jumped up and down and kept
[00:34:04.080] emphasizing how unconstitutional all
[00:34:06.240] this was. That Lou had a very basic
[00:34:08.960] instinctive understanding of the fact
[00:34:11.200] that this was unconstitutional
[00:34:13.520] uh and wanted that presented to them. So
[00:34:15.919] that the the complaint that we filed uh
[00:34:19.280] together, worked together on it and
[00:34:21.119] filed with the inspector general of the
[00:34:23.040] defense department was a lot more broad
[00:34:26.000] than just complaining about the fact
[00:34:27.919] that people in the Pentagon were lying
[00:34:29.760] about Lou and trying to intimidate him
[00:34:33.440] uh you know and try to stop him from
[00:34:34.960] being a whistleblower, you know. Uh but
[00:34:38.000] Lou never told me uh at that time uh
[00:34:41.760] that he had been explicitly authorized
[00:34:45.440] by the United States Defense
[00:34:47.760] Department's Office of uh of
[00:34:50.320] pre-publication uh re security review
[00:34:53.919] that he had been explicitly authorized
[00:34:56.399] to say to the New York Times what he had
[00:34:59.119] said. Okay? And that he didn't reveal
[00:35:02.560] anything publicly in any of his
[00:35:04.880] conversations other than those things he
[00:35:06.960] had been authorized to say. Okay?
[00:35:10.640] uh uh that uh so I had a sense of the
[00:35:14.400] impression that some of what he was
[00:35:16.079] doing was genuine whistleblower stuff.
[00:35:19.440] uh except that I also advised him and
[00:35:22.079] that uh and this is not waving any
[00:35:24.480] attorney client privilege that since he
[00:35:26.800] had resigned already from his position
[00:35:31.359] uh as the as the person working as the
[00:35:35.440] security officer for OAP
[00:35:39.280] you know uh and that he resigned from
[00:35:41.440] his position in working with the office
[00:35:43.920] of the secretary of defense that he
[00:35:46.800] technically couldn't fall under the
[00:35:48.960] whistleblower statute because you have
[00:35:51.680] to file a complaint while you're still
[00:35:53.440] employed. Uh and that they've somehow
[00:35:56.160] taken retaliatory action against you in
[00:35:59.040] the course of your employment. Uh okay.
[00:36:02.320] So, but the bottom line is it was clear
[00:36:04.640] to me uh and Lou was perfectly candid
[00:36:07.040] about that he still retained his
[00:36:08.960] security clearance. Uh uh and so you
[00:36:12.240] know, you don't you don't go revealing
[00:36:14.720] stuff that's been completely
[00:36:15.839] unauthorized and violates your national
[00:36:17.920] security agreement uh and then continue
[00:36:20.400] to just have your security clearance.
[00:36:22.480] Okay? But Lou had always had his
[00:36:24.880] security clearance. Uh and and in fact,
[00:36:27.440] the same thing is true of David Grush.
[00:36:30.320] you know that that and that what people
[00:36:32.800] didn't know and I I can reveal that one
[00:36:34.880] of the things that that the the
[00:36:36.720] challenge that was raised uh to the to
[00:36:40.320] the security clearance of Lou Alzando
[00:36:43.359] and the challenge to the security
[00:36:45.119] clearance of Chris Melon for having been
[00:36:47.760] the source of the information to the New
[00:36:49.760] York Times, the person who was assigned
[00:36:52.640] to review their security clearances and
[00:36:55.920] to determine whether or not they were
[00:36:57.520] going to continue to have their security
[00:36:59.119] clearances
[00:37:00.320] was David Grush
[00:37:03.040] that people don't know that that that
[00:37:05.440] and when when David Grush found out in
[00:37:08.800] his inquiry because he was on the the
[00:37:11.359] UAP task force in the Pentagon, right?
[00:37:14.560] He was from the National Reconnaissance
[00:37:16.320] Office. Uh he was the leazison he was
[00:37:18.480] the member of the the Pentagon uh UAP
[00:37:21.760] task force from the National
[00:37:23.119] Reconnaissance Office. So he was
[00:37:25.920] selected to be the one to review their
[00:37:28.079] security clearances. And as soon as he
[00:37:30.240] he learned that they had been
[00:37:32.320] specifically authorized by the Defense
[00:37:36.320] Department, Office of Pre-Publication
[00:37:38.720] Security Review to reveal to the New
[00:37:41.599] York Times what they did. Then he said,
[00:37:44.560] "Oh, good. All right, then they're
[00:37:46.240] cleared." And he cleared their security
[00:37:48.480] clearance. Uh that's when he started
[00:37:51.520] taking from everybody else uh
[00:37:55.119] involved in the defense department.
[00:37:57.280] Okay. Uh and uh so I went and met
[00:38:00.240] directly with uh I'd had a number of
[00:38:02.960] conversations with Dave uh over the
[00:38:06.079] phones uh about that process uh and had
[00:38:10.000] recommended that he uh filed a report
[00:38:13.040] with the uh director the inspector
[00:38:15.760] general of the intelligence community
[00:38:18.480] about what was being done to him. And
[00:38:20.960] that's what that's what Dave did. Okay.
[00:38:23.599] Uh and then I met with Dave personally
[00:38:26.720] uh face tof face on a number of
[00:38:28.560] different occasions. have had very
[00:38:31.200] candid conversations with with Dave uh
[00:38:34.400] about uh his knowledge of things uh and
[00:38:38.240] uh and have been very supportive of him
[00:38:41.920] uh working directly with Eric Berles
[00:38:46.079] uh and he has gone on to become employed
[00:38:48.880] as a special consultant to uh to Eric
[00:38:52.000] Berles's personal staff uh in the
[00:38:54.800] Congress uh and is now being advocated
[00:38:58.880] by any number of people including you
[00:39:01.040] know Sam Gerb uh and others to have him
[00:39:04.640] be that is David Grush to be the chief
[00:39:07.839] of staff basically for this governance
[00:39:11.040] board uh that they're trying to put
[00:39:13.200] together to uh completely allow the
[00:39:15.839] executive branch to assert complete
[00:39:17.599] unilateral control over how much
[00:39:19.760] information is going to be disclosed to
[00:39:21.760] Congress and not respecting Congress's
[00:39:25.599] effort to get oversight of who's going
[00:39:28.240] to be on that review committee or or
[00:39:30.720] that governance board. Uh but so and
[00:39:33.839] that's what you hear about now. The
[00:39:35.520] debates going on about people getting
[00:39:37.599] all upset over the fact that they think
[00:39:39.760] that Lou Alzando
[00:39:42.000] is being considered for the post of
[00:39:45.119] being the chief of staff of that
[00:39:47.440] governance board. Uh
[00:39:49.200] >> or or this is the UAP ZAR role that a
[00:39:52.079] lot of folks are are calling it, aren't
[00:39:53.520] they? But that's commonly what people
[00:39:55.200] are referring. But
[00:39:56.240] >> that's just a nickname, you know. But I
[00:39:58.079] as a lawyer, I know technically what it
[00:40:00.240] is that they're talking about, you know,
[00:40:02.480] uh it's not a there's no such post as
[00:40:04.640] the UFO ZAR, you know, that they're
[00:40:07.440] talking about the chief of staff uh of
[00:40:09.760] that governance board, but as you'll
[00:40:12.320] note, uh nobody has any idea who's on
[00:40:15.680] that board.
[00:40:17.839] >> So, have you heard Danny?
[00:40:19.760] Let let me come in there because you've
[00:40:21.359] brought it up and I was going to come to
[00:40:22.640] that next and this
[00:40:23.680] >> sure
[00:40:24.320] >> this is big in the news and again you've
[00:40:26.400] mentioned there Gerb Sam Gerb I'm glad
[00:40:28.960] you said Sam because often UEP GB I
[00:40:31.040] think people should now refer to him as
[00:40:32.480] Sam because people know who he is and
[00:40:34.640] he's his name's out there he's doing a
[00:40:36.240] lot of
[00:40:37.119] >> a lot of research a lot of work and his
[00:40:39.119] mind
[00:40:40.480] >> his mind works in a very unique way. Um,
[00:40:43.280] right. H
[00:40:43.920] >> have you heard this role as officially a
[00:40:46.880] role that's being considered? Because
[00:40:48.240] right now it seems it's very much in the
[00:40:50.400] ether and rumor and conjecture, but is
[00:40:52.960] this officially going to be a role?
[00:40:55.920] Well, the the the reality is is that
[00:40:58.480] that the the manner in which this public
[00:41:02.240] statement was issued, I think it was
[00:41:04.000] like on June 22nd or so, there was just
[00:41:06.240] this Pete Hegsath and the Defense
[00:41:08.640] Department people just issued this
[00:41:10.400] unilateral declaration that oh by the
[00:41:12.960] way, they're going to set up this
[00:41:14.640] governance board. Uh and the only thing
[00:41:17.680] that they did was confuse everybody. Oh,
[00:41:19.839] and here's going to be a scientific
[00:41:21.680] advisory group headed up by Avi Lo from
[00:41:24.800] Harvard that is going to advise this
[00:41:27.119] governance board. Uh, but nobody asked
[00:41:29.920] who's on the governance board.
[00:41:31.680] >> You know, who who's in charge of this
[00:41:33.520] governance board? Who's deciding who's
[00:41:35.119] going to be on the governance board?
[00:41:36.800] Nobody would even address that. You
[00:41:38.880] know, I checked it out and it appears to
[00:41:41.119] be to me what they're talking about is
[00:41:44.480] having all of the foxes guard the hen
[00:41:48.319] house. you know that they're talking
[00:41:50.079] about the people being on that
[00:41:51.839] governance board, the head of the FBI,
[00:41:54.880] uh the head of the Central Intelligence
[00:41:56.720] Agency, the head of the NSA, the head of
[00:41:59.680] the Defense Intelligence Agency, the
[00:42:01.839] head of the National Reconnaissance,
[00:42:04.480] uh geospatial uh reconnaissance and
[00:42:07.280] intelligence group, all the people that
[00:42:10.160] have been involved forever in keeping it
[00:42:12.560] all secret. you know that that's that
[00:42:15.200] looks like that's who they're going to
[00:42:17.040] put on that governance board. But you'll
[00:42:19.359] notice that there's not been a single
[00:42:21.119] statement issued by anybody in the
[00:42:23.839] executive branch as to who it is that
[00:42:26.240] came up with that idea to have a
[00:42:28.640] completely executive department
[00:42:30.720] controlled uh governance board to govern
[00:42:34.000] what information is going to be made
[00:42:35.760] public, you know, and they they knew
[00:42:38.160] perfectly well that the United States
[00:42:39.920] Senate had passed the bill, you know,
[00:42:42.960] insisting that the United States Senate
[00:42:45.200] have the authority to reject or accept
[00:42:48.560] uh any nominee for the nine-person panel
[00:42:52.400] that the Senate had proposed in the UAP
[00:42:55.200] disclosure act back in 2023. And the
[00:42:58.480] Senate had passed that bill had passed
[00:43:01.200] that bill. Uh and now they also knew
[00:43:03.839] that in fact Eric Berles
[00:43:06.480] was proposing a house bill uh to insert
[00:43:10.640] into the National Defense Authorization
[00:43:12.640] Act the demand on the part of the House
[00:43:14.960] of Representatives that there be such a
[00:43:17.839] congressionally overseen
[00:43:20.400] uh uh board of review. All right. and
[00:43:23.599] and approved or disapproved the members
[00:43:25.839] of it. Uh even though it would be
[00:43:27.920] nominated by the president, but they
[00:43:30.160] would be certified only by the United
[00:43:32.800] States Congress. Okay? And the fact is
[00:43:35.760] that as soon as the executive branch
[00:43:37.440] realized that there was this move being
[00:43:39.359] made on the House and the Senate side to
[00:43:42.560] redemand this this congressionally
[00:43:46.480] uh overseen uh review committee uh did
[00:43:50.480] all of a sudden they came up with this
[00:43:52.079] brainstorm that they are going to
[00:43:53.839] unilaterally appoint an executive uh
[00:43:56.480] branch uh oversight group you know made
[00:43:59.280] up of all of the foxes you know uh but
[00:44:02.400] they still haven't revealed who it
[00:44:04.400] Uh, and so that now the question is, you
[00:44:07.040] know, when they're talking about uh the
[00:44:09.280] rumors about Lou Alzando being made the
[00:44:12.240] UFO ZAR or UAP ZAR, you know, that what
[00:44:16.400] I've done is said, you know, what could
[00:44:17.920] they possibly be talking about? You
[00:44:20.400] know, they're they're obviously talking
[00:44:21.839] about the chief of staff position, the
[00:44:24.560] chief of staff position for that
[00:44:26.640] governance uh board. Uh but I've taken
[00:44:29.839] the position and I take it again here
[00:44:31.839] that our new paradigm institute
[00:44:34.079] completely opposes completely opposes
[00:44:37.440] having an all executive branch uh
[00:44:40.880] appointed review board you know or
[00:44:43.760] governance board making these decisions.
[00:44:46.560] That's exactly the problem. you know
[00:44:48.960] that until we get Congress involved in
[00:44:52.000] overseeing this process in exercising
[00:44:55.040] their constitutional authority indeed
[00:44:58.000] their constitutional duty. You know,
[00:45:00.960] under article one, uh, section 8, clause
[00:45:04.960] 14, it says explicitly there that
[00:45:08.400] Congress shall have the authority to
[00:45:11.280] pass all rules and regulations governing
[00:45:15.280] the armed forces of the United States
[00:45:17.599] government. You know, that's where the
[00:45:20.000] secrecy rules come from. you know these
[00:45:22.400] are the classification rules the
[00:45:24.720] authority to determine what the
[00:45:26.560] classification rules are are in Congress
[00:45:30.000] not in the executive branch. So this is
[00:45:32.400] a a a complete uh uh constitutional
[00:45:36.000] uh uh scandal to see the executive
[00:45:39.920] branch trying to co-opt the Congress
[00:45:42.560] from being able to have oversight
[00:45:44.160] authority uh over the classification
[00:45:46.720] process. Uh and and and the executive
[00:45:49.440] branch is so far getting away with
[00:45:51.280] telling the people in Congress, you
[00:45:53.520] can't I can't tell you this information
[00:45:55.920] because the executive branch hasn't
[00:45:58.240] given you a security clearance. I mean,
[00:46:00.640] that that was the exact question I had I
[00:46:03.040] I had uh uh Eric Berles ask Lou Alzando
[00:46:08.720] in public on the November uh 13th uh uh
[00:46:12.560] hearing that was had in 2024,
[00:46:15.839] you know, where Lou testified under
[00:46:17.520] oath. Uh Eric Burles asked him in
[00:46:20.079] public. They said, "Look at Lou, you
[00:46:22.160] have testified here uh under oath that
[00:46:25.520] that you know that there is a crash UFO
[00:46:30.800] crash recovery program and that they've
[00:46:33.359] recovered bodies or biologics. You've
[00:46:36.319] confirmed the sworn testimony of David
[00:46:38.800] Grush here under oath." Now, if and
[00:46:41.920] here's what Eric said. If you and I,
[00:46:43.839] Lou, were in a skiff uh and uh I ask you
[00:46:48.240] to provide to me the the definitive
[00:46:51.280] proof that there that there is a crash
[00:46:54.079] recovery program going on and that we're
[00:46:56.400] in possession. Our United States
[00:46:58.480] government is in possession of one or
[00:47:00.960] more UFO extraterrestrial nonhuman
[00:47:05.040] origin spacecraft and they're in
[00:47:07.839] possession of the bodies of nonhuman
[00:47:10.960] occupants of those spacecraft. Could you
[00:47:14.480] show me that information in a skiff? And
[00:47:18.079] Lou said to him, "No, I wouldn't be
[00:47:21.040] allowed to do that. that would have to
[00:47:23.359] come from people above me who are the
[00:47:26.319] gatekeepers of this information. Okay,
[00:47:29.599] he's So there you had you had Lu Alzando
[00:47:32.319] telling the United States Congress to
[00:47:34.560] basically butt out of this. You know
[00:47:37.680] that we're not telling you and I know
[00:47:40.480] but I'm not telling you. Uh my bosses
[00:47:43.359] tell me I can't tell you and so I'm not
[00:47:45.920] telling you and I won't tell you even in
[00:47:47.839] a skiff. Now, all of that is perfectly
[00:47:50.240] appropriate on the part of Lou, but it's
[00:47:52.800] unconstitutional
[00:47:54.560] on the part of the executive branch. the
[00:47:57.280] and the Congress of the United States
[00:47:59.359] has to stand up to them and tell them
[00:48:02.560] that the Congress in plain written
[00:48:05.599] language in article one uh section 8
[00:48:09.760] clause 14 has the absolute authority to
[00:48:13.839] determine the rules and regulations
[00:48:16.000] governing uh classification of
[00:48:18.560] information because it's one of the
[00:48:20.319] rules and regulations of governing the
[00:48:22.880] armed forces.
[00:48:25.200] Danny, it's really interesting to note
[00:48:26.880] then the new Paradigm Institute's
[00:48:28.480] position is they are opposed to this
[00:48:31.599] sort of setup um happening and you've
[00:48:34.400] given the reasons why. Very clear on on
[00:48:36.880] your part.
[00:48:38.160] >> However, um you mentioned Gerb and we'll
[00:48:41.359] bring in Ross Colt's name to this
[00:48:43.040] conversation. A few weeks ago, this sort
[00:48:44.880] of started where Ross on News Nation
[00:48:48.079] >> Y
[00:48:48.559] >> came forward and said he more or less
[00:48:50.800] and you can correct me if I'm wrong
[00:48:52.400] here. You're the legal mind, not me. and
[00:48:54.160] I wouldn't want to get anything wrong or
[00:48:55.680] accuse people.
[00:48:57.119] >> He in no uncertain terms basically said
[00:48:59.839] Lozando was not being completely
[00:49:01.599] truthful and had a bigger part in the
[00:49:03.760] legacy program than he was letting on
[00:49:06.079] and Lou at some point should come
[00:49:07.760] forward and be more truthful about that.
[00:49:10.240] There was no rebuttal at that point from
[00:49:11.920] Lou. There was no comments made, nor
[00:49:14.240] should there have to be. I I'll just
[00:49:16.000] make that clear.
[00:49:16.880] >> Right.
[00:49:17.520] >> Then last week, Gerb appears with Ross
[00:49:19.839] Kilart. Now, I think it was filmed a
[00:49:21.520] week or so before when when they were
[00:49:23.119] both in DC.
[00:49:24.640] >> Yeah.
[00:49:25.119] >> Gerb very pointedly at the beginning of
[00:49:27.440] that show.
[00:49:28.079] >> Yeah.
[00:49:28.880] >> And it's nothing that he's not really
[00:49:30.559] said previously on other podcasts, but
[00:49:33.119] he brought it together in one place on
[00:49:35.040] NewsNation to say that he believed Lu
[00:49:37.760] Alzando becoming the head of this
[00:49:40.240] council or UAPR was detrimental to the
[00:49:43.520] disclosure process. And he did say that
[00:49:46.400] >> he he he inclinated or he basically
[00:49:49.119] pointed out that there was almost a
[00:49:51.040] sinister aspect to it almost like Lou
[00:49:53.920] was deep state Lou was part of the
[00:49:55.520] gatekeeping. He pointed out to Lou um
[00:49:58.800] colluding with James Clapper. Um
[00:50:01.680] >> so with all of that being said and now
[00:50:03.760] there's rumor I say rumor a lot of folks
[00:50:06.319] would point to one of GB's major sources
[00:50:08.480] being David Grush. There seems to be a
[00:50:11.440] lot of people believing there's a Grush
[00:50:13.119] camp in the background and an Alzando
[00:50:15.760] camp. You've spoken with both. You know
[00:50:18.240] both. You've you've consulted with both,
[00:50:20.240] if that's the correct word.
[00:50:22.640] >> Who would you believe right now would be
[00:50:25.119] best placed to head up that organization
[00:50:28.319] should it happen? Would it be Alzando or
[00:50:30.240] would it be Grush?
[00:50:32.079] >> My my position is very clear as a lawyer
[00:50:34.400] that there should be no such board.
[00:50:37.040] Period. There should be no board. uh
[00:50:39.680] that is a pure executive branch
[00:50:41.920] appointed board uh and therefore both of
[00:50:45.040] them should decline to work for such a
[00:50:49.040] board that Congress should create such a
[00:50:52.079] board of review that that's what has to
[00:50:54.559] be done and the proper question then is
[00:50:57.359] who should be the chief of staff for a
[00:51:01.599] congressionally
[00:51:03.119] authorized in and subject to their
[00:51:05.920] review uh board of review just like the
[00:51:09.440] Senate proposed uh in 2023 in the UAP
[00:51:13.760] Disclosure Act uh and just exactly like
[00:51:16.400] the proposal that's now been made by
[00:51:19.040] Eric Berles uh and put into the House
[00:51:22.240] version of the 2027
[00:51:25.119] NDAA.
[00:51:26.640] That's what should happen. So that that
[00:51:29.200] I would take the very clear, you know,
[00:51:31.200] it's it's it's like the question is
[00:51:33.359] like, you know, when did you stop
[00:51:34.720] beating your wife? you know that that
[00:51:37.520] it's the wrong question as to who should
[00:51:39.599] be the head of this all executive branch
[00:51:42.720] controlled disclosure group uh because
[00:51:45.920] that neither one of them should take
[00:51:47.599] that post. Uh now it's going to be
[00:51:49.920] tempting uh either one of them that
[00:51:52.400] might be offered that position to do
[00:51:54.319] that but what they should do is take the
[00:51:56.720] position that look that that I do not
[00:51:59.839] want to be disqualified
[00:52:02.000] from being the chief of staff for the
[00:52:04.480] congressionally overseen
[00:52:07.280] and congressionally approved members of
[00:52:10.800] such a review panel. Uh, and so
[00:52:13.599] therefore I would have to respectfully
[00:52:15.680] decline this selfserving offer that you
[00:52:19.680] guys are making to try to drag me into
[00:52:22.880] being part of the cover up. Okay. Uh,
[00:52:26.000] and that would be the easiest way for
[00:52:28.079] Lou to exonerate himself to the extent
[00:52:30.960] to which he would if he feels compelled
[00:52:32.800] to do so. You know, of being accused of
[00:52:35.200] being part of the coverup. you know that
[00:52:37.520] you certainly shouldn't become the chief
[00:52:39.200] of staff for some agency that is so
[00:52:42.160] conspicuously perceived by the whole
[00:52:44.480] public of being part of a setup just
[00:52:46.800] like Arrow you know it's just like as if
[00:52:49.680] they were being invited to be the chief
[00:52:51.200] of staff of Arrow you know I mean
[00:52:53.839] neither one of them uh should accept
[00:52:57.200] that position so they need they need to
[00:52:59.520] be under the opices of Congress that's
[00:53:01.839] the constitutional body that needs to
[00:53:04.480] make these decisions about the
[00:53:06.160] disclosure closure.
[00:53:07.680] >> So then Donald Trump tomorrow steps in
[00:53:10.079] and says, "Don't like this whole
[00:53:12.000] executive branch setup you're going for.
[00:53:14.559] It's going to be Congress. Let's have
[00:53:16.000] that happen." Um, who would you have
[00:53:18.240] lead the congressional one, Grush or
[00:53:19.920] Alzando?
[00:53:21.200] >> I I would think that both of them should
[00:53:22.960] be there. There's no doubt about it.
[00:53:25.520] That that Lou should be there and and
[00:53:27.599] and Dave Grush should be there that they
[00:53:30.160] should be working, you know, together as
[00:53:32.800] as directing that staff for Congress.
[00:53:36.480] Uh now, okay. now, but there needs to be
[00:53:39.280] other people there too uh in in
[00:53:41.839] positions of some authority because both
[00:53:44.160] of these guys are going to be uh
[00:53:46.800] potentially attackable because they've
[00:53:49.200] signed these national security
[00:53:50.720] agreements, you know, and they've signed
[00:53:52.640] these these non-disclosure agreements as
[00:53:55.359] as Lou has stated, you know, he has been
[00:53:57.920] specifically instructed that his
[00:54:00.640] non-disclosure agreement prohibits him
[00:54:03.520] from talking about crash retrievals.
[00:54:07.440] He's he said he's testified to that in
[00:54:09.520] Congress. So that you you need that that
[00:54:12.800] what we would need to do is get Congress
[00:54:15.280] to pass a law specifically releasing
[00:54:20.000] both Lou Alzando and David Grush from
[00:54:24.079] any non non-disclosure agreement that
[00:54:28.079] they had been forced to sign as a
[00:54:30.640] condition for them having access to the
[00:54:32.800] knowledge they have. That's the simple
[00:54:35.280] way of doing this. Congress has the
[00:54:37.200] authority under article 1 section 8
[00:54:39.599] clause 14 to enact exactly such a law.
[00:54:43.440] You know, but everybody's running around
[00:54:45.119] praising Donald Trump for allegedly
[00:54:47.599] releasing a former intelligence officers
[00:54:50.640] and former employees of these aerospace
[00:54:53.359] corporations from their uh from their uh
[00:54:56.720] non-disclosure agreements only to the
[00:54:59.760] extent of having them come forward and
[00:55:01.920] testify to the AROW office.
[00:55:04.880] >> Am I correct? Am I correct though,
[00:55:06.640] Danny? And I remember as a layman, I'm
[00:55:08.720] speaking for for some of the audience
[00:55:10.319] here, many many intelligent folks
[00:55:12.400] listening and watching, but as an idiot,
[00:55:13.920] I like this stuff dumbed down.
[00:55:15.839] >> The issue is that it looked really good
[00:55:18.960] initially when Trump said wave the NDAs.
[00:55:22.160] >> However,
[00:55:23.520] >> people like Matthew Brown, you know,
[00:55:25.040] whistleblower, Dylan Bolan, and others
[00:55:26.640] have said
[00:55:27.599] >> they don't go far enough. There are no
[00:55:29.359] protections. There is no I know this is
[00:55:32.240] a touchy one but no rep um there's no
[00:55:35.119] amnesty for criminal activity. So
[00:55:36.960] someone could come forward feeling they
[00:55:39.280] are free or being waved of their NDA.
[00:55:41.040] They say something that actually
[00:55:42.960] incriminates them and they could then go
[00:55:45.040] to jail. It's not just a case of come
[00:55:47.119] and say what you like and all is
[00:55:48.720] forgiven or we'll we'll sort it out.
[00:55:50.960] >> It's it could open up a whole can of
[00:55:52.720] worms for that individual in many
[00:55:54.480] different ways.
[00:55:55.599] >> Yeah. There there's a legal term that
[00:55:57.520] covers what it is that the that uh Trump
[00:56:00.400] is trying to do uh with guard that is
[00:56:02.720] called
[00:56:05.760] That that's what it is. You know, it's a
[00:56:07.599] total move on their part to
[00:56:10.319] say, "Oh, we're going to release people
[00:56:12.079] from their from their non-disclosure
[00:56:14.240] agreements only if they come and testify
[00:56:16.640] directly to the people who have been
[00:56:18.720] proven to be, you know, ratting them
[00:56:21.440] out. you know that that people would
[00:56:24.000] come to the Arrow Office and and open
[00:56:26.240] them up and start talking to them. And
[00:56:28.319] not only did the Arrow Office not take
[00:56:30.160] one step to investigate any of the
[00:56:32.720] accusations they were making, but they
[00:56:34.880] were ratting them out to the very people
[00:56:37.280] who were then taking retaliatory action
[00:56:39.520] against them, you know, and so that's a
[00:56:42.240] that's ridiculous. I mean, and I don't
[00:56:44.559] know how dumb they think people are. uh
[00:56:47.680] you know that there is a certain element
[00:56:49.680] of our people of our country you know as
[00:56:52.160] as uh Abraham Lincoln once said you know
[00:56:54.880] you can fool some of the people all the
[00:56:57.599] time you know and there are some of them
[00:57:00.319] that you can this like 18% or so of the
[00:57:03.119] people in the country Donald Trump can
[00:57:05.119] say almost anything he wants to say is
[00:57:07.839] preposterous as it is you know uh and
[00:57:10.559] they'll go along with it because they
[00:57:12.480] don't bother doing any research they
[00:57:14.240] don't read they don't do any kind of
[00:57:16.079] critical thinking
[00:57:17.599] uh they just need someone to follow. But
[00:57:20.400] the but the reality is is that those of
[00:57:23.359] us who do thinking uh and and I'm not
[00:57:26.559] talking about just people who've co got
[00:57:28.160] college graduate degrees or law school
[00:57:30.079] degrees or PhD degrees, you know, I'm
[00:57:33.040] I'm talking about regular high school
[00:57:35.440] graduate people. you know, we know
[00:57:37.680] enough to think uh and the what we what
[00:57:40.799] I'm trying to do as people's advocate is
[00:57:43.440] to point out how they're being conned
[00:57:45.359] here, you know, this this proposal on
[00:57:48.160] the part of Trump is nothing but a catch
[00:57:50.400] and kill. That was exactly the term that
[00:57:53.280] that Matthew Brown used for. This is a
[00:57:56.160] catch and kill program to lure the lure
[00:57:59.280] the whistleblowers into a setup where
[00:58:01.760] they come and and tell what it is that
[00:58:03.599] they think is being done wrong and then
[00:58:05.839] they get ratted out by arrow uh to the
[00:58:09.200] bad guys. You know, that's what that's
[00:58:11.440] what this thing is. Uh and so that
[00:58:14.079] Congress has to has to assert itself.
[00:58:17.040] And and if the people that are going to
[00:58:19.040] be getting elected this November 3rd in
[00:58:22.559] the United States don't do this, then on
[00:58:26.160] November 4th, the campaign has to begin
[00:58:29.200] to replace them.
[00:58:31.839] And it's got to be made clear to them
[00:58:33.520] that you are going to get replaced.
[00:58:35.440] You're you're applying for a job, one of
[00:58:38.160] the responsibilities of which is to
[00:58:40.240] oversee the executive branch.
[00:58:42.799] and you're not doing it. You're
[00:58:44.559] completely cowtowing to them, you know.
[00:58:47.359] Uh and we can understand why somebody
[00:58:49.359] who's in the Republican party might do
[00:58:51.200] that because Donald Trump is going to
[00:58:53.280] threaten to run someone in a primary
[00:58:55.520] against you if you don't do exactly what
[00:58:57.920] he tells you to do. But this is a
[00:59:00.000] complete collapse of the constitutional
[00:59:02.079] system to have the executive branch and
[00:59:04.640] the president of the United States
[00:59:06.240] threatening members of Congress. you
[00:59:09.200] know, uh, and and the when you bring the
[00:59:11.599] national security state in to joining in
[00:59:14.000] this threat, you're talking about
[00:59:16.000] serious threats. You're talking about
[00:59:17.599] not just running someone against them in
[00:59:19.680] their primary race in the Republican for
[00:59:22.079] Republican nominations. You're talking
[00:59:24.240] about violence directed against them.
[00:59:26.799] You're talking about people dragging
[00:59:28.400] their wife out of bed, you know, in the
[00:59:30.559] middle of the night in her night gown
[00:59:32.000] and putting a gun in her mouth and
[00:59:33.520] threatened to kill her and the whole
[00:59:35.040] family uh if they and that that's
[00:59:37.920] exactly that's exactly what happened
[00:59:40.240] with Senator Durburgger, you know, uh
[00:59:42.640] back in 19 whatever it was 70 uh let's
[00:59:46.720] see must have been 1986
[00:59:49.760] or 87, you know, that's exactly what
[00:59:52.559] happened. you know, when he got up on
[00:59:54.480] the floor of the United States Senate
[00:59:56.160] and demanded a full-scale investigation
[00:59:58.480] of this off-the-shelf enterprise that
[01:00:00.799] was functioning under the Reagan Bush
[01:00:02.640] executive branch, you know, and uh and
[01:00:05.520] that that Saturday night, uh you know,
[01:00:09.040] the gunman showed up at their house and
[01:00:11.119] dragged her his wife out of bed, put a
[01:00:13.280] gun in her mouth, and threatened to kill
[01:00:14.640] her if he didn't withdraw the request.
[01:00:17.520] and he comes in Monday morning and not
[01:00:19.359] surprising gets up on the Senate floor
[01:00:21.200] and says, "Oh, uh, McFarland, Bud
[01:00:23.599] McFarland called me and confirmed that
[01:00:25.520] there's absolutely nothing to these
[01:00:26.960] accusations. There's no such
[01:00:28.480] off-the-shelf enterprise functioning."
[01:00:30.720] And so I'm withdrawing my complaint, you
[01:00:33.599] know, but then Wednesday morning it
[01:00:36.000] shows up on the front page of the uh of
[01:00:38.160] the Washington Times, that right-wing,
[01:00:41.280] you know, uh Mooney, the Reverend Moon
[01:00:44.240] newspaper, you know, a big front page,
[01:00:46.480] full page photo uh of uh Durhamburgger's
[01:00:50.720] love nest with him and his mistress in
[01:00:53.040] Washington DC. And then by Friday, he's
[01:00:55.920] announcing that he is send is
[01:00:58.160] voluntarily going into the Cedars, this
[01:01:00.880] right-wing fundamentalist Christian uh
[01:01:03.680] alcohol rehabilitation program because
[01:01:06.000] he's an alcoholic and his political
[01:01:08.240] career is over in the course of one
[01:01:11.040] week, right? Uh uh and so that this this
[01:01:15.200] is the activity of the national security
[01:01:17.520] state. This is the activity of the
[01:01:19.520] operations director of the Central
[01:01:21.119] Intelligence Agency, their wet
[01:01:23.040] operations teams that have been
[01:01:24.880] authorized to assassinate people and
[01:01:26.880] blackmail people and kidnap people
[01:01:29.040] outside of the United States. And
[01:01:30.960] they've come home to roost. They've come
[01:01:33.280] home to roost. And they're they're
[01:01:34.799] focusing on the UFO whistleblowers. And
[01:01:38.079] that's why the whistleblowers are
[01:01:39.599] afraid, understandably, okay? Because
[01:01:42.480] they're not just talking about just the
[01:01:44.480] threat to their security clearance.
[01:01:46.240] They're talking about threats to their
[01:01:47.760] lives. Okay? And that's why you hear
[01:01:50.319] people like Jake Barber saying, you
[01:01:52.000] know, if they come for me, I'm the kind
[01:01:54.240] of guy that they normally send to do
[01:01:56.079] things like that.
[01:01:58.559] >> You know, it's funny when you mention a
[01:02:00.240] politician accused of of alcoholism and
[01:02:02.400] womanizing. He was just before his time
[01:02:04.160] because in 2026, that's pretty tame
[01:02:06.720] compared to what a lot of the
[01:02:07.920] politicians across not only the US, but
[01:02:10.079] other countries, including the UK, get
[01:02:12.400] up to on a weekly basis. So yeah, poor
[01:02:14.880] guy was just 40 years ahead of his time.
[01:02:16.880] Um,
[01:02:17.359] >> sure.
[01:02:18.240] >> Something that's really worth going into
[01:02:20.079] here as well is um
[01:02:23.599] the legacy program. We we often talk
[01:02:25.599] about the legacy program and this is
[01:02:27.280] something that GB mentioned this with
[01:02:29.359] Ross, but other folks have said this
[01:02:30.960] too. It's not necessarily there is one
[01:02:33.760] central legacy program. It's not a room
[01:02:35.920] that you can find in a hanger somewhere.
[01:02:38.000] Knock on the door and there's a board of
[01:02:40.640] 70y old white men smoking cigars and it
[01:02:43.040] says legacy program on the desk. Is it?
[01:02:45.520] But it seems to be a fractured network
[01:02:47.599] of programs, contractors, agencies,
[01:02:50.559] different classification systems. You
[01:02:53.359] know, could the president, Congress,
[01:02:55.680] senior intelligence officials, you know,
[01:02:57.839] each possess different pieces of the
[01:03:00.160] story, think they have the whole story,
[01:03:03.280] but none of them actually have that
[01:03:04.880] complete oversight? Is that potentially
[01:03:06.559] what's happening here?
[01:03:08.000] >> Well, it's a little bit different, Andy.
[01:03:10.720] uh is that it's clear that there was
[01:03:12.880] such a definable group at one time, you
[01:03:15.760] know, that that President Truman very
[01:03:18.160] clearly uh very soon after the uh the
[01:03:21.440] wreckage at the Roswell, which has now
[01:03:24.000] been uniformly confirmed to be to have
[01:03:26.480] happened, you know, that he did put
[01:03:28.559] together this group, whether you call it
[01:03:30.319] magic or MJ12 or whatever it was, you
[01:03:33.200] know, in the list of these people that I
[01:03:34.799] I carry around in my day log the names
[01:03:37.200] of all these people, you know, uh and
[01:03:39.920] We're we still are trying to figure out
[01:03:41.839] who the second generation of those
[01:03:43.520] people are. Uh you know, and and uh that
[01:03:47.520] uh David Grush has basically made
[01:03:50.079] reference to a couple of them, you know,
[01:03:51.839] Bobby Ray, Admiral, Bobby Ray Inman,
[01:03:54.160] who's one of the present operatives of
[01:03:55.920] this in the fact that uh that Dick
[01:03:58.559] Cheney had been one when he was the vice
[01:04:01.760] president under Ronald Reagan uh and he
[01:04:04.960] chaired the 5412 committee of the
[01:04:06.799] National Security Council. Okay. But uh
[01:04:09.440] but that we we know there's others and
[01:04:11.520] we know people who know who they are. So
[01:04:13.839] there there is in fact a remnant of that
[01:04:16.880] group still around. Uh but that the the
[01:04:21.039] actual move that they're making right
[01:04:23.359] now is uh is a little more subtle than
[01:04:26.000] that. And and what's happening right now
[01:04:28.160] is they're trying to filter a lot of the
[01:04:32.480] uh technology that has been uh secretly
[01:04:36.240] developed uh under the eegis of this
[01:04:38.960] legacy group back in the the 40s and
[01:04:42.000] 50s. Uh they're trying to filter a lot
[01:04:44.240] of that technology into the United
[01:04:46.400] States Air Force uh and now into the US
[01:04:49.440] Space Force, you know. Uh and they
[01:04:52.079] they've designed, for example, a new a
[01:04:54.000] new craft. It's called the S47. It's a
[01:04:57.760] it's a special fighter fighter plane
[01:05:00.480] that's incorporating some of the
[01:05:02.240] technology that they've been successful
[01:05:04.400] in back engineering out of the UFO craft
[01:05:07.359] and it's able to engage in combat
[01:05:09.599] operations in outer space. You know that
[01:05:12.720] it actually gets launched and it can it
[01:05:14.799] can maneuver in near orbit. Uh and you
[01:05:17.839] you see now that the arrow office has
[01:05:20.559] been assigned a J a J3 a combat a combat
[01:05:25.599] officer has been assigned to the arrow
[01:05:28.480] office uh to coordinate intelligence
[01:05:31.599] information that's obtained by Arrow uh
[01:05:34.160] to go directly to the US Space Force uh
[01:05:37.520] and that these people are all being
[01:05:38.960] trained out at Peterson Air Force Base
[01:05:40.799] out in Colorado, you know, uh and that
[01:05:43.359] there's a new group of people that
[01:05:44.960] they're trying to move in to have
[01:05:47.440] oversight control uh over this whole
[01:05:50.160] operation. And there's 27 of them. You
[01:05:52.480] know, I've got a list of them in my book
[01:05:54.480] right here. That's that's that's one
[01:05:56.640] that sounds like McCarthy. You know,
[01:05:58.160] I've got, you know, hundred communists
[01:05:59.760] and I've got the list of them right
[01:06:01.200] here. But, you know, we know who these
[01:06:03.119] people are. And there's this major
[01:06:05.200] effort going on right now to try to
[01:06:07.760] shift control of this whole project out
[01:06:11.760] of this kind of rump group that has been
[01:06:14.720] assigned originally by Truman and
[01:06:17.039] appointed uh subsequently each one of
[01:06:20.240] those 12 men was authorized to handpick
[01:06:23.440] their own successor. Okay. And so there
[01:06:26.400] was an entire second generation of these
[01:06:28.640] people have come into place. uh some of
[01:06:31.280] the older ones of which are like uh uh
[01:06:33.599] uh Admiral Bobby Raymond who's 93 years
[01:06:36.319] old now, you know, and they're they're
[01:06:38.640] hanging on just like Ruth Bader
[01:06:40.160] Ginsburgg did on the Supreme Court.
[01:06:42.079] They're just hanging on, you know, uh
[01:06:44.559] and they're they're becoming, you know,
[01:06:47.839] weakened, you know, that group. But
[01:06:49.920] there's another group of people, this 27
[01:06:52.240] group of people that are trying to move
[01:06:54.160] into place and they're all retired
[01:06:56.559] people who are very highlevel US
[01:06:59.440] government uh executive branch people.
[01:07:02.880] You know the for example the former
[01:07:04.720] commander of the United States Air
[01:07:06.160] Force's Department of Material uh you
[01:07:08.720] have former uh directors of the National
[01:07:12.240] Geospatial Intelligence Agency. You have
[01:07:15.760] people who are uh the people in for
[01:07:18.640] example uh uh uh Lucky Martin uh
[01:07:23.920] executive vice presidents in charge of
[01:07:26.000] space development you know uh these
[01:07:28.799] people all retired uh and they're in a
[01:07:32.000] in a major association that is
[01:07:34.319] attempting to assert coordinated control
[01:07:36.880] over this you know uh and they they
[01:07:39.839] actually are in an association there's a
[01:07:42.160] 501c3
[01:07:43.760] a group that's that exists in Crystal
[01:07:46.720] City uh just right near the Pentagon. uh
[01:07:50.079] and they have uh uh shadow offices out
[01:07:53.920] at Peterson Air Force Base out in
[01:07:56.000] Colorado where they're actually training
[01:07:58.799] uh fighter pilots to pilot these new S47
[01:08:02.559] craft, these space fighters that they've
[01:08:04.880] got that they're called, it's called the
[01:08:06.640] Tiger Group, the UAP uh space tiger
[01:08:10.720] group, you know, uh there's all that
[01:08:13.520] information that's around uh what I'm
[01:08:17.199] trying to do is I'm trying to kind of
[01:08:18.880] correlate it all together and make it
[01:08:21.120] clear what's going on here. Uh that
[01:08:24.000] there is an effort to shift as much of
[01:08:27.199] this program inside the government as
[01:08:29.440] they can because they think that that
[01:08:31.839] will immunize them against criminal
[01:08:34.239] prosecution
[01:08:35.759] under the federal criminal racketeering
[01:08:37.679] act. uh you know and and I've been asked
[01:08:40.640] to prepare the the complaint uh the ma
[01:08:43.520] major federal criminal racketeering act
[01:08:45.520] complaint uh to be lodged with main
[01:08:48.000] justice in Washington to start
[01:08:50.400] identifying who these people are uh and
[01:08:52.880] what the kind of crimes are that more
[01:08:54.960] more than just fraud and bezelment you
[01:08:57.759] know they've embezzled literally
[01:08:59.520] trillions of dollars over the whole
[01:09:01.359] period of the program you know uh out of
[01:09:04.080] other appropriations
[01:09:06.000] uh and they've skimmed money off other
[01:09:08.000] approp appropriations
[01:09:09.839] and that's and that's what they're
[01:09:11.359] doing. So, so that's what's really
[01:09:13.839] happening here is there's an attempt to
[01:09:15.839] shift this this program inside the
[01:09:18.799] government
[01:09:20.319] through this group of retirees and get
[01:09:23.279] the United States Space Command to take
[01:09:25.520] control of it.
[01:09:27.679] So is there a potential chance for good
[01:09:30.960] to come of this where you know where
[01:09:32.799] there's chaos there's opportunity where
[01:09:34.880] you have this changing of the old guard
[01:09:36.960] for the slightly less old guard excuse
[01:09:39.440] me just you know and and a movement and
[01:09:42.560] a shift of of local of where this is
[01:09:46.000] that where there's opportunity for
[01:09:47.520] mistakes to happen for folks to get in
[01:09:49.520] there and prize information out is that
[01:09:52.000] where we are right now in this moment
[01:09:53.600] >> yeah that's exactly what we're
[01:09:55.280] experiencing People have been all
[01:09:57.280] puzzled by what's going on here. You
[01:09:59.199] know, why in the world would people come
[01:10:01.360] forward in 2017
[01:10:04.000] and start reporting to the New York
[01:10:05.600] Times uh confirming that their UFOs are
[01:10:08.880] real all of a sudden? You after 80 years
[01:10:12.159] of concealing it and lying about it, you
[01:10:14.800] know, what's going on here? There is
[01:10:16.560] this changing of the guard that's in the
[01:10:19.360] process of happening right now and
[01:10:22.080] there's leakages that are happening and
[01:10:24.239] there are people that are involved in
[01:10:25.760] participating in that shift uh who
[01:10:28.560] believe that it's a good thing to get
[01:10:30.640] these people immunized. You know that
[01:10:33.040] they don't want people being prosecuted
[01:10:34.960] if they've been doing things in
[01:10:36.159] cooperation with the the government.
[01:10:38.800] Apparently, I just got a call this
[01:10:40.239] morning that apparently Bob Bigalow just
[01:10:42.960] had an interview yesterday or something
[01:10:45.199] with George Knap where he's he's
[01:10:48.480] advocating that that people be
[01:10:50.320] exonerated who are in the private
[01:10:52.400] aerospace corporations be exonerated
[01:10:54.960] because they're the ones that were being
[01:10:56.320] asked by the government to do these
[01:10:58.239] things.
[01:10:58.880] >> Yeah.
[01:10:59.199] >> So, it's completely illegal. Uh it's a
[01:11:01.760] violation of the doctrine of estoppel.
[01:11:04.080] you know, it's a civilian idea is that,
[01:11:06.880] you know, the the the government if it's
[01:11:08.880] luring the people into participating in
[01:11:11.199] the program, the government needs to be
[01:11:14.239] stopped from criminally prosecuting
[01:11:16.159] them. Okay? So, this is the the next
[01:11:19.440] move they're making right now to try to
[01:11:21.679] get immunity. Okay? What I what I'm
[01:11:24.400] saying is that this this immunity has to
[01:11:26.560] be dealt with in a very orderly way.
[01:11:29.600] There needs to be the federal criminal
[01:11:31.120] racketeering act uh drafted and
[01:11:33.840] complaint prepared lodged with the
[01:11:36.640] United States justice department uh
[01:11:39.120] identifying who the people are the
[01:11:41.040] criminal acts that they've committed how
[01:11:43.040] many overt acts have been undertaken
[01:11:44.880] pursuant to the effectuation of the
[01:11:47.520] illegal objectives of the racketeering
[01:11:49.600] enterprise we're talking about and and
[01:11:52.480] what we know is that we're being asked
[01:11:55.040] to do that because they want to know who
[01:11:57.199] to give immunity to.
[01:11:59.520] Right. Yeah. And what I'm saying is that
[01:12:01.679] we would propose immunity for
[01:12:03.520] individuals in exchange for their
[01:12:05.840] testimony revealing the criminal conduct
[01:12:08.560] of people above them, but not to give
[01:12:12.159] the immunity blanket like an amnesty
[01:12:14.719] program like you're in South Africa, you
[01:12:17.280] know, trying to make sure that the
[01:12:18.480] Africconers don't all run out of town
[01:12:20.880] and and take their investments with
[01:12:22.560] them. That isn't what's happening here,
[01:12:24.800] you know, but that's what they're trying
[01:12:26.080] to get done here. uh that that our new
[01:12:28.640] paradigm institute is involved in
[01:12:30.800] preparing the federal criminal
[01:12:32.159] racketeering act complaint you know and
[01:12:34.480] that uh to whatever extent we can have
[01:12:36.560] any influence upon this process we're
[01:12:38.960] opposing a blanket amnesty for the
[01:12:41.600] people I mean it's just like at Abu Grab
[01:12:44.000] you know Abu Grab they finally reveal
[01:12:45.840] that they're engaged in in criminal uh
[01:12:48.560] torture of these people and only one
[01:12:51.280] lowly you know corporal you know uh who
[01:12:54.320] was dumb enough to have her photo taken
[01:12:56.719] with having one of the one of the
[01:12:58.640] hostages or or one of the the prisoners
[01:13:01.520] on a dog leash, you know, and everybody
[01:13:04.080] else walks free. And not only that, but
[01:13:06.080] the woman who was in charge of the
[01:13:08.080] torture program is made the director of
[01:13:10.080] the Central Intelligence Agency. I mean,
[01:13:13.120] that this is a a fundamentally and
[01:13:15.440] profoundly corrupt phenomenon that we
[01:13:18.640] have going on inside our government
[01:13:20.320] right now. uh and that we have to
[01:13:22.400] mobilize this popular movement, a very
[01:13:25.280] very popular movement among all the
[01:13:27.440] population, not only the people of the
[01:13:29.120] United States but across the world to
[01:13:31.360] demand that this information be made
[01:13:33.360] public, you know, and to get rid of
[01:13:35.679] these people who have engaged in this
[01:13:37.520] criminal conduct of I mean why why
[01:13:40.239] should people who have devoted their
[01:13:41.760] lives to the country like Dave Grush and
[01:13:44.480] even Lou Alzando, why should they be in
[01:13:46.960] fear of their life, you know, for trying
[01:13:49.840] to obey the constitution? ution of the
[01:13:51.679] United States and get information given
[01:13:54.159] to the Congress of the United States
[01:13:56.000] about a multi-t trillion dollar program
[01:13:58.560] that is being concealed from them. You
[01:14:00.880] know, I mean, this is a a ter terrible
[01:14:03.440] state of affairs. Uh, and that that we
[01:14:06.239] at the New Paradigm Institute are going
[01:14:07.760] to do everything that we can do to both
[01:14:09.920] organize and mobilize the citizens of
[01:14:12.080] the United States who make up only 4% of
[01:14:15.120] the population of the whole planet. But
[01:14:17.120] we're the voters here, you know, and
[01:14:18.880] we're the ones that have the ability to
[01:14:20.719] replace the people in Congress uh who
[01:14:23.679] are not doing their job, who are cowed
[01:14:26.719] and intimidated by the national security
[01:14:29.520] state. You know, we we need to
[01:14:31.600] disassemble this national security state
[01:14:33.760] infrastructure right now. And we need to
[01:14:35.920] reach out to Russia and to China uh and
[01:14:38.880] other countries uh to get them to
[01:14:41.600] cooperate with this. you know, we've got
[01:14:43.760] to get them to to dismantle the nuclear
[01:14:46.080] weapons uh that are threatening our
[01:14:48.480] entire human civilization to do so in a
[01:14:51.120] stepped way right away. Okay? And we
[01:14:54.080] need to get them to join together to
[01:14:56.159] form some kind of a a packact among
[01:14:59.120] ourselves so that we can have diplomatic
[01:15:02.000] communications with the extraterrestrial
[01:15:04.159] civilization.
[01:15:05.760] I mean, this is only to state the
[01:15:07.199] obvious, but but as you point out, the
[01:15:09.920] obvious is often avoided. you know, this
[01:15:12.880] is the this is what has to happen uh
[01:15:15.600] right now, okay? Uh and that we have the
[01:15:18.159] best opportunity we're ever going to get
[01:15:19.760] to get this done because more people
[01:15:22.320] want to know this information than
[01:15:23.760] almost anything else other than the
[01:15:25.760] Jeffrey Epstein files. You know,
[01:15:29.120] >> I want to give a very quick shout out to
[01:15:31.280] Xander from the Dreamland Motel Show
[01:15:33.600] because we had a really interesting back
[01:15:35.280] and forward today on the whole Amnesty
[01:15:38.800] whistleblowers confirmation disclosure.
[01:15:41.840] Um I and this Friday I'm going to be on
[01:15:45.040] the Doomer Friday podcast with Xander
[01:15:47.280] Clinton Pavl um discussing the Bigalow
[01:15:50.480] Fallout. But you mentioned the Bigalow
[01:15:53.280] interview. I don't know if you've seen
[01:15:54.560] it. You've obviously heard that one
[01:15:56.000] clip, but have you seen the whole
[01:15:57.280] interview?
[01:15:58.080] >> No, no, I'm just supposed to do that
[01:15:59.520] today.
[01:16:00.320] >> No, that's that's fine. Um, it's really
[01:16:01.920] interesting. I watched it today. He
[01:16:03.920] mentions meeting Trump in the Oval
[01:16:06.159] Office on the 6th of February and
[01:16:08.719] presenting Trump with I believe Knap
[01:16:10.719] says seven documents um or reports that
[01:16:13.760] were put together. One was concerning ET
[01:16:16.880] and disclosure. Um he wouldn't give away
[01:16:19.520] any of Trump's reactions or or thoughts.
[01:16:22.880] But it was more from Bigalow's
[01:16:24.000] perspective. Okay.
[01:16:25.360] >> What he did say though, and I'd love
[01:16:26.719] your thoughts on this, is
[01:16:28.480] >> he encouraged Trump to make a short
[01:16:31.360] statement confirming and what he said
[01:16:34.000] Trump should do is not go to a podium,
[01:16:36.239] not go to a place on Air Force One, as
[01:16:38.880] we have now famously come to see Trump
[01:16:41.040] stand at the curtain at Air Force One,
[01:16:42.719] right? Never. This may have happened in
[01:16:45.280] with past presidents, but being from the
[01:16:47.120] UK, I've always said I now know more
[01:16:49.520] about US politics in the last six years
[01:16:51.440] than I've ever known about any politics
[01:16:53.280] worldwide. For good or for bad,
[01:16:55.679] >> he said Trump should have his little
[01:16:58.000] chat that he does with the journalists
[01:17:00.000] and literally say something like, "Oh,
[01:17:02.239] and one more thing. I just want to
[01:17:04.480] confirm." And he's, this is more or less
[01:17:06.800] word for word, a non-human intelligence
[01:17:09.120] presence has been here for a long time
[01:17:11.040] and is operating craft beyond current
[01:17:13.040] human capabilities.
[01:17:14.960] That's it. No big no big speech, no no
[01:17:18.400] pomp, no circumstance. Drop that there
[01:17:22.080] and close the curtain. And I wonder what
[01:17:24.480] he says then is and I I am all for this.
[01:17:27.199] I'm all for this. The next step being
[01:17:29.199] confirmation with a capital C. And I
[01:17:32.000] think Richard Dolan is very much along
[01:17:33.600] those lines. Rather than getting any
[01:17:35.520] form of what people would assume would
[01:17:37.280] be disclosure next, I think confirmation
[01:17:40.159] seems more likely. What's your reaction
[01:17:42.159] to Bigalow's proposal of make a short
[01:17:44.640] statement NHI non-human craft and leave
[01:17:48.560] it there?
[01:17:50.400] My own personal judgment is anybody who
[01:17:52.880] relies upon Donald Trump uh to make a
[01:17:55.920] short statement and stick to the script,
[01:17:58.320] you know, uh should rethink their
[01:18:01.920] position. Uh that that this this has
[01:18:05.360] that the bottom line is it's Congress
[01:18:08.239] that needs to take the action here. uh
[01:18:10.880] to keep relying upon the executive
[01:18:12.880] branch to make these decisions and the
[01:18:15.120] individual presidency is just feeding
[01:18:17.199] the beast, you know, continuing to give
[01:18:19.520] more and more power to him to leave
[01:18:21.600] these decisions in his personal hands
[01:18:23.760] all the time. uh in people like Stephen
[01:18:26.159] Miller, you know, and Steve Bannon, the
[01:18:28.560] kind of people that are all around him,
[01:18:30.560] you know, uh that, you know, the the the
[01:18:32.880] problem the problem with the very first
[01:18:35.120] question you ask, you know, about about
[01:18:37.600] Donald Trump, what might be his
[01:18:39.440] motivations? all he cares about is
[01:18:42.239] things that increase his own personal
[01:18:44.000] power, you know, and it would not be a
[01:18:46.800] good idea uh to to take further steps to
[01:18:50.400] put Donald Trump in a position of having
[01:18:52.960] this information uh and being able to
[01:18:56.159] decide how he wants to use it for his
[01:18:58.719] own personal benefits. You know, I I
[01:19:01.040] just don't think that that's a good
[01:19:02.239] idea. I mean, I know how tempting it is
[01:19:04.239] and I know how people are trying to say,
[01:19:06.080] "Well, let's let's just be realistic.
[01:19:08.159] let's engage in real politic here, you
[01:19:10.960] know, uh and and get him to issue a
[01:19:13.360] short statement like that. No, that what
[01:19:16.000] you have to have is you have to have a
[01:19:17.760] committee as like as the like the church
[01:19:20.560] committee was done back in the mid mid
[01:19:23.520] 1970s following the Watergate burglary
[01:19:26.640] in the resignation of Richard Nixon. Uh
[01:19:29.199] there needs to be a thorough
[01:19:30.960] investigation uh of this program that's
[01:19:33.840] developed inside the national security
[01:19:35.920] state. There needs to be a major
[01:19:37.679] investigation of the national security
[01:19:39.600] state here in the United States uh in
[01:19:42.719] the excesses to which it's gone. uh we
[01:19:45.679] need to take advantage of the popularity
[01:19:48.000] of this UFO issue and the inevitability
[01:19:51.920] of the revelations, you know, to just to
[01:19:55.360] move on this uh and uh if this
[01:19:58.159] administration isn't going to do it, it
[01:20:00.640] has to be made part of the major
[01:20:02.480] campaign that is going to start on
[01:20:04.480] November 4th, you know, uh for the 2028
[01:20:07.920] presidential race uh and the new Senate
[01:20:10.400] seats, the next 33 seats that are going
[01:20:12.400] to be determined and the election of all
[01:20:14.880] 435 congressional seats in 2028. You
[01:20:18.800] know, there's got to be a mounted
[01:20:20.480] two-year campaign to replace anybody in
[01:20:24.000] the Congress who isn't willing to do
[01:20:26.000] their job. That's what has to happen
[01:20:28.320] here. Uh now, so I I I mean, I've talked
[01:20:31.120] to Bigalow on the phone. Bigalow has
[01:20:32.800] called me and and uh asked if he he he
[01:20:36.719] says, "I I know that you're the one
[01:20:38.400] that's uh doing this this major reddraft
[01:20:41.520] of the of the bill for Congress to
[01:20:44.159] handle this disclosure process." And uh
[01:20:46.560] he wanted me to agree to take the uh the
[01:20:49.280] eminent domain
[01:20:51.280] portion out of the statute. Uh and and I
[01:20:54.960] explained to him that, you know, that I
[01:20:56.960] I fully appreciate the the uh the unfair
[01:21:00.960] position that some of the private
[01:21:03.360] aerospace corporations have been put in
[01:21:05.679] by the government bringing the the
[01:21:08.000] technology to them and asking them to to
[01:21:10.719] uh disassemble it and figure out what's
[01:21:12.560] going on here and brief them. I said and
[01:21:15.040] something can be done in that nature. We
[01:21:17.360] can figure out how to to not treat the
[01:21:20.560] any of these uh uh executives or their
[01:21:23.199] employees unfairly. Okay? But but and
[01:21:26.480] and we can figure out how to deal with
[01:21:28.480] the legal questions about their
[01:21:30.560] competitors who are upset over the fact
[01:21:32.800] that they were given some kind of
[01:21:34.480] competitive advantage, you know, by
[01:21:36.560] getting access to this information. All
[01:21:38.000] of that stuff can be worked out, you
[01:21:39.920] know, but it's not going to be worked
[01:21:41.120] out by Donald Trump, you know, and it's
[01:21:43.120] not going to be worked out by Steve
[01:21:44.480] Bannon or or Steven Miller, you know,
[01:21:47.120] the people that are around him. And it
[01:21:48.800] certainly isn't going to be worked out
[01:21:49.920] by people like Hegathth, you know, or
[01:21:53.040] the attorney general, you know, if uh if
[01:21:55.600] if this guy, you know, Todd Blanch is is
[01:21:57.920] made the attorney general, you know, I
[01:21:59.760] mean, these people are totally
[01:22:02.239] untrustworthy,
[01:22:03.840] you know, they're untrustworthy people.
[01:22:06.080] Uh and they're they're not people of
[01:22:08.000] integrity. They're not people of good
[01:22:09.840] character. Okay? And so they cannot be
[01:22:12.480] the ones that are to be put in charge of
[01:22:14.639] these important decisions. Now, people
[01:22:16.719] may back up and say, "Well, are you
[01:22:18.480] suggesting that the members of Congress
[01:22:20.159] are people of high character?" It's our
[01:22:22.719] job as citizens to make sure that they
[01:22:24.719] are, you know, and stop just voting for
[01:22:27.679] whoever happens to be nominated by
[01:22:29.520] whichever of the two political parties
[01:22:31.199] you've, you know, mindlessly associated
[01:22:34.000] with in your life. You know, that we've
[01:22:36.480] got to do our job as citizens here. the
[01:22:38.800] the as I said the 4% of the population
[01:22:40.960] of our planet who are American citizens
[01:22:43.120] have a really really heavy burden here a
[01:22:46.719] major responsibility to take steps to
[01:22:48.960] start disassembling this national
[01:22:51.040] security state that is most manifest in
[01:22:54.000] this bizarre program of keeping secret
[01:22:57.120] from the people of the world the fact
[01:22:59.600] that there's an entire nonhuman
[01:23:01.600] extraterrestrial civilization all around
[01:23:03.840] us you know that they think this is a
[01:23:05.920] government secret of some sort you know
[01:23:08.800] uh that that we've got we've got to
[01:23:10.639] mobilize and do this. I don't want to
[01:23:12.639] put it into the hands of Donald Trump. I
[01:23:14.719] don't want to put it in the hands of
[01:23:15.840] Steve Bannon and Steven Miller. I don't
[01:23:17.920] want to put it into the hands of the
[01:23:19.280] other people like Pete Hegsth, you know,
[01:23:21.920] uh or this guy Todd Blanch. These people
[01:23:24.480] are of poor character. Poor character.
[01:23:29.120] Uh and that we need to get people put
[01:23:31.120] into the Congress who are women and men
[01:23:33.440] of high character and high courage who
[01:23:36.239] are going to do the job. And that's what
[01:23:38.400] we have to do.
[01:23:40.080] >> I need to come in with a yes, but okay.
[01:23:42.880] So,
[01:23:45.120] this isn't just a United States issue,
[01:23:47.679] but I appreciate the United States lead
[01:23:50.159] the way on it. Like it or not,
[01:23:52.400] >> and also in that respect, like it or
[01:23:54.880] not, the Trump administration is the
[01:23:57.920] administration where this is happening,
[01:24:00.960] that most of this phase of euphology,
[01:24:04.320] whatever you want to call it, has
[01:24:05.920] happened. Whether that's a direct result
[01:24:08.080] of the Trump administration or things
[01:24:10.239] that were happening in the background
[01:24:11.679] regardless if Hillary had gotten back in
[01:24:14.159] 2016 and it's funny going back I've
[01:24:16.639] mentioned before Danny quite a while ago
[01:24:18.639] I was listening to some old coast to
[01:24:20.400] coast interviews doing some research and
[01:24:22.880] it was one of those where George Nuri
[01:24:25.040] and someone was having like a quick
[01:24:26.560] catch up on the news at the time and
[01:24:28.400] they were talking about the upstart
[01:24:29.920] Donald Trump running for the Republican
[01:24:31.760] nomination and how he stood no chance.
[01:24:34.080] But it was funny listening to him battle
[01:24:36.080] and how people were struggling against
[01:24:37.600] him and then we see how that ended up.
[01:24:39.920] Right. So putting that to one side as
[01:24:42.320] best you can.
[01:24:43.679] >> Yeah.
[01:24:44.320] >> If it is going to happen now though
[01:24:46.719] >> and it is going to be Trump because for
[01:24:49.199] me and I always say this, this is just
[01:24:52.320] my opinion. I don't think most of the
[01:24:54.560] people around the world care about US
[01:24:57.760] politics or or committees or Congress.
[01:25:01.679] Most people around the world don't know
[01:25:03.040] what the US Congress is. They just know
[01:25:04.719] the US government. You've got a really
[01:25:06.560] weird way of working it. So do we in the
[01:25:08.320] UK. And I don't I understand the US
[01:25:10.000] system better than the UK, right? With
[01:25:11.520] the whole MPs and the House of Lords.
[01:25:13.760] It's all nonsense, right?
[01:25:15.280] >> You people just hear governments run a
[01:25:17.360] country and then the systems within that
[01:25:18.960] are up to them.
[01:25:21.840] It really would need to be Trump to come
[01:25:24.159] out as it stands and say confirming
[01:25:28.159] whatever he confirms NHI and then the
[01:25:30.880] world takes it from there. If it was
[01:25:32.719] Vance or anyone behind him saying that I
[01:25:37.280] don't think it has the same momentum,
[01:25:39.520] the same wave, the same
[01:25:41.520] >> whatever it may be.
[01:25:43.120] >> I think it has to be whoever is the
[01:25:45.120] president of the United States.
[01:25:48.320] We keep hearing now there are rumors of
[01:25:50.320] a potential speech. I think some of the
[01:25:52.719] origins of that are very speurious. Mark
[01:25:55.360] Christopher Lee saying Bob Bigalow was
[01:25:57.360] texting him and he phoned him. Knap came
[01:25:59.440] out and said Bigalow rubbish that it was
[01:26:01.280] nonsense.
[01:26:02.400] >> Now he's back and others are saying this
[01:26:04.719] speech is happening. I'll caveat that by
[01:26:06.960] saying Danny my Facebook every so often
[01:26:09.600] reminds me of when I posted over a
[01:26:12.159] decade ago rumors of Obama making a big
[01:26:14.960] announcement in the coming days. This is
[01:26:16.880] something that has happened going back
[01:26:19.199] years. I imagine going back to the old
[01:26:21.760] days, even when I was a kid and before
[01:26:23.360] that, newsletters and UFO clubs would
[01:26:26.239] have said the president's going to make
[01:26:27.840] a speech. It probably happened then,
[01:26:30.320] >> but we are in a very unique time where
[01:26:32.960] are there like you have said there are
[01:26:34.639] all these moving pieces coming into
[01:26:37.679] place.
[01:26:38.880] >> I'm hearing next week might be quite
[01:26:40.800] interesting. I don't know if you have
[01:26:42.239] heard anything among along like that and
[01:26:44.000] I hate the whole trust me bro and
[01:26:45.600] something's coming but Friday we might
[01:26:48.639] be due a drop we might not. We've got
[01:26:51.040] rumors of in the next 48 hours. We're
[01:26:53.280] recording this on Wednesday the 5th of
[01:26:54.719] August. There's going to be something
[01:26:57.920] potentially a speech. We are literally
[01:27:00.639] now on I think the 88th day of David
[01:27:03.600] Grush's 60 to 90day window.
[01:27:06.800] So it could well be we sit here in a
[01:27:08.639] week's time and nothing has happened.
[01:27:11.520] But if Trump does say something in the
[01:27:14.000] coming days along the lines of an NHI or
[01:27:17.840] we get a drop that does take it further
[01:27:19.760] cuz I know you've not been a fan of the
[01:27:21.840] four drops. No one has that really
[01:27:23.520] happened so far.
[01:27:24.719] >> They've largely they've largely been
[01:27:26.400] nonsense.
[01:27:27.440] >> That's right. If Trump does come out and
[01:27:29.440] say something along the lines of NHI
[01:27:33.280] presence and we're going to take it from
[01:27:35.840] here, what happens next?
[01:27:39.040] >> Well, what what what I'm concerned about
[01:27:41.280] is that that Trump's primary objective
[01:27:44.320] right now is stopping the Democratic
[01:27:47.440] party from taking over the House and
[01:27:49.280] Senate. uh and that he's threatening the
[01:27:52.880] uh the integrity of the electoral
[01:27:54.960] process uh that's scheduled to take
[01:27:57.360] place on November 3rd. Uh and that's his
[01:28:00.080] primary thing that he's focused on. Uh
[01:28:03.040] and that therefore I'm extremely
[01:28:04.800] concerned that he would try to take
[01:28:06.639] advantage of this announcement and
[01:28:09.440] potentially invoke the continuity of
[01:28:12.560] government uh rules uh that have been
[01:28:16.159] generated by the executive branch. you
[01:28:18.480] know, basically, you know, back during
[01:28:20.480] the Reagan Bush administration, you
[01:28:22.719] know, uh that this this is the point
[01:28:25.120] that they they've developed a program in
[01:28:27.360] case of a nuclear attack, a
[01:28:29.679] thermonuclear attack against the United
[01:28:31.840] States that the executive branch would
[01:28:34.000] basically collapse the Congress and take
[01:28:36.719] over uh running everything through the
[01:28:39.120] executive branch. Uh and that they've
[01:28:41.199] actually put this in place as a whole
[01:28:43.120] structure and infrastructure now and
[01:28:45.280] that that Trump knows that it's there.
[01:28:48.000] uh and if he were to acknowledge that
[01:28:50.000] there's an extraterrestrial civilization
[01:28:52.560] all around us which is nonhuman uh and
[01:28:55.679] in fact has been engaging in
[01:28:57.840] surveillance of all of our nuclear uh
[01:29:00.239] weapons sites, you know, that that
[01:29:03.280] Donald Trump is is so personally
[01:29:06.000] untrustworthy
[01:29:07.760] uh is that he could very simply go off
[01:29:10.080] and try to use that as an excuse for
[01:29:12.400] establishing some sort of state of
[01:29:14.239] emergency, you know, in the country. you
[01:29:16.880] know, he he he's taking his lead from
[01:29:20.080] previous authoritarian dictators. That's
[01:29:23.040] his studies. His his first wife has
[01:29:25.760] testified in her divorce position that
[01:29:27.920] he used to keep a copy of mine comp, you
[01:29:30.480] know, on his bedstand and read every
[01:29:33.280] night speeches by Hitler. I mean, that's
[01:29:35.840] who this guy is. We have to be clear
[01:29:38.080] about what we're dealing with here, you
[01:29:40.080] Well, I mean, so I I I I thoroughly
[01:29:42.400] respect the desire to get something
[01:29:44.320] effective done and have to do it right
[01:29:47.040] at this particular point in time, but
[01:29:49.360] this particular person uh is not
[01:29:52.239] trustworthy. Uh and to put this kind of
[01:29:54.880] authority in his hands to figure out
[01:29:57.120] what to do about it, you know, uh he's
[01:29:59.920] going to and he's got people like Steven
[01:30:02.000] Miller and Steve Bannon uh as his
[01:30:04.719] adviserss. Well, what do you do? But
[01:30:06.320] what do you do with this? Well, what you
[01:30:08.320] do with this is take personal advantage
[01:30:10.239] of it politically uh and uh and and
[01:30:12.960] declare a state of national emergency
[01:30:14.800] possibly uh cancel the elections, you
[01:30:17.679] know, uh assert the uh the continuity of
[01:30:20.880] government authority of the executive
[01:30:22.560] branch, which is he's all but doing that
[01:30:24.960] anyhow. He's he's pushing aside the
[01:30:26.800] courts. He's pushing aside Congress. you
[01:30:29.280] know, uh that I don't I I think we need
[01:30:32.000] to be extremely careful here of uh
[01:30:34.800] wanting to take advantage in the short
[01:30:36.800] term of a a very appealing uh kind of uh
[01:30:41.120] opportunity to get him to make some kind
[01:30:44.159] of a declaratory statement like this
[01:30:46.239] because I don't believe that he'll stop
[01:30:48.400] there. I don't think that he's capable
[01:30:51.040] of just stopping and say, "Oh, here let
[01:30:52.639] me just announce to you that oh yeah,
[01:30:54.400] the reality is there's an
[01:30:55.840] extraterrestrial presence here on our
[01:30:58.320] planet, you know, that he's not he's not
[01:31:01.360] there's no indication that he has the
[01:31:03.440] kind of character uh and and personal
[01:31:06.159] integrity to to handle it that way."
[01:31:09.520] That's that's the problem that we've
[01:31:11.120] got. and and the the people, you know,
[01:31:12.880] from Dave Grush to to Lou Alzando and
[01:31:15.760] Chris Melon and, you know, and and uh
[01:31:18.560] and uh Colonel Carl Nell, all the
[01:31:21.280] different kind of people that are trying
[01:31:22.880] to in a sense uh uh grant to Trump the
[01:31:28.800] uh legitimacy and authority of the
[01:31:30.960] office that he did in fact win through
[01:31:33.360] an election, you know, are tempted to to
[01:31:36.480] move that authority to him to make these
[01:31:39.280] kind of decisions. I think that's a
[01:31:41.360] terrible mistake. Uh and I think that we
[01:31:44.080] have to from a constitutional point of
[01:31:46.880] view, we cannot feed that bear. You know
[01:31:51.840] that what we have to do is is move to
[01:31:54.159] Congress and try to get Congress to
[01:31:56.239] assert itself. And uh and now you see
[01:31:58.880] that kind of feckless voting. They voted
[01:32:01.360] both the House and the Senate to invoke
[01:32:03.520] the War Powers Act, you know, to stop
[01:32:06.320] him Trump from continuing to engage in
[01:32:09.120] military assaults against against Iran.
[01:32:11.920] He's completely impervious to that, you
[01:32:14.560] know, uh and they invoke the War Powers
[01:32:16.639] Act and he says, "Oh, you know, I've got
[01:32:18.719] 60 days to continue a military
[01:32:20.800] operation, you know, before I have to to
[01:32:23.600] uh stop." Uh and so he says he cites the
[01:32:26.800] memo this feckless memo of understanding
[01:32:29.840] that he had with the with somebody in
[01:32:32.000] Iran as saying well that war is over.
[01:32:34.480] This is a separate military action. So
[01:32:36.480] there's a new 60 days that is now
[01:32:39.120] running. I mean anybody anybody who
[01:32:41.280] falls for that ought to have their head
[01:32:42.880] examined. You know uh we all have to
[01:32:45.520] have our head examined about the way
[01:32:47.840] that we're dealing with this
[01:32:48.960] administration. We can't allow them to
[01:32:51.920] get more power by by investing them with
[01:32:55.199] the authority to make these decisions.
[01:32:58.239] >> So So your concern would almost be that
[01:33:00.400] this is used as a a project blue beam
[01:33:03.280] offshoot
[01:33:04.560] >> where
[01:33:04.960] >> it's a pretext.
[01:33:06.080] >> It doesn't even have to be an alien
[01:33:07.600] invasion, just the confirmation of an
[01:33:10.159] alien presence or a non-human presence.
[01:33:12.480] They need to investigate. the need to
[01:33:14.480] set up new forms or aspects of
[01:33:16.480] government or military official would be
[01:33:19.600] enough for someone to say
[01:33:21.600] >> I'm going to change the whole working US
[01:33:23.679] government.
[01:33:24.480] >> That's exactly right. Uh because they've
[01:33:26.639] got the blueprint there. That's what the
[01:33:28.719] continuity of government uh program is
[01:33:31.040] that's been developed by the executive
[01:33:32.719] branch, you know, and and they're doing
[01:33:34.880] it under the opaces of well, if there's
[01:33:37.120] a thermonuclear attack against the
[01:33:38.800] United States, you want to have the most
[01:33:40.560] efficient and effective possible
[01:33:42.320] decision-making mechanism in place. And
[01:33:44.639] so therefore, since they've now got this
[01:33:46.560] potential thing available to them, you
[01:33:48.800] know, you've got to watch out when you
[01:33:50.239] get a person who's as power- hungry and
[01:33:52.320] personally committed to his own personal
[01:33:54.400] power and preservation as Donald Trump
[01:33:57.280] is. You know, you don't put additional
[01:34:00.080] power into his hands, you know, if you
[01:34:02.560] can help it.
[01:34:04.639] Well, let's wrap up there, Danny,
[01:34:06.639] because I have got so much more we could
[01:34:09.040] go over, but what I'd love to do is um
[01:34:11.280] if you could even come back on in the
[01:34:12.960] next seven days.
[01:34:14.159] >> Sure.
[01:34:14.400] >> I'd love to go over the rest of the
[01:34:15.679] interview with you. But also, at the
[01:34:17.360] pace this is moving, let's see if
[01:34:19.360] anything happens in the next few days
[01:34:20.960] cuz
[01:34:21.600] >> I worry we go much longer and we end up
[01:34:23.840] outdating the interview before it's had
[01:34:25.679] much time to breathe. So on that then
[01:34:28.080] over the next couple of days and weeks
[01:34:31.280] as we move into this kind of period what
[01:34:34.159] are you looking out for or specifically
[01:34:36.159] should we look out for in terms of
[01:34:37.600] developments politically or whatnot in
[01:34:39.440] this in this realm? Well, I'm I'm uh I'm
[01:34:42.560] hoping that uh people like Lou Alzando
[01:34:46.080] and Dave Grush and Chris Melon and Carl
[01:34:49.280] Nell and uh and Kirk McCulla uh the
[01:34:52.800] people in the Senate Intelligence
[01:34:54.080] Committee etc will stand their ground
[01:34:56.239] here uh and uh and not fall for uh this
[01:35:00.639] this pretense on the part of Trump to be
[01:35:03.840] actually engaged in a goodfaith effort
[01:35:06.000] of any kind to get information uh about
[01:35:09.520] the UFO issue. to disclosed. Don't fall
[01:35:12.400] for this. Don't fall for this at this
[01:35:14.560] critical moment. You know, stand with
[01:35:16.639] the Constitution of the United States.
[01:35:18.880] Stand with the Congress of the United
[01:35:20.639] States. You know, as as imperfect as it
[01:35:23.440] is, you know, and understand that
[01:35:25.840] Winston Churchill's observation is true,
[01:35:28.719] you know, that uh that democracy is
[01:35:30.960] probably one of the worst possible forms
[01:35:33.040] of government except for all the others
[01:35:35.040] that we've got going right now. And so
[01:35:37.520] that we've got we've got to rely upon
[01:35:39.360] the people, you know, and not just the
[01:35:41.199] people in the United States, but the
[01:35:42.480] people all across the world, you know,
[01:35:44.560] to come forward uh and insist upon
[01:35:47.600] finding out about this information and
[01:35:49.840] trying to empower the Congress of the
[01:35:51.760] United States and the other legislatures
[01:35:54.800] around the world to step forward to do
[01:35:57.199] this and stop cowtowing to these
[01:36:00.000] executive officials, you know, stop
[01:36:02.239] giving them more and more power because
[01:36:04.080] it's, you know, how's that looking right
[01:36:06.080] now, you You know, we've got we got
[01:36:08.080] massive wars going on. You know, with we
[01:36:10.400] got, you know, 30,000 people a month
[01:36:12.560] being killed in the Ukrainian war. You
[01:36:14.960] know, we got 72,000 people being
[01:36:17.280] slaughtered in Gaza. We got, you know,
[01:36:19.520] Israel bombing the crap out of Lebanon
[01:36:22.000] now, you know, and trying to take over
[01:36:24.159] half of Lebanon. This is a very unstable
[01:36:26.880] situation. The people that we have
[01:36:29.280] fallen into the habit of allowing to
[01:36:32.000] make decisions on our behalf have
[01:36:34.480] squandered their credibility right now
[01:36:38.000] and people are not trusting them, are
[01:36:40.880] not trusting them. And so what we need
[01:36:42.960] to do is is exercise our authority as as
[01:36:46.560] individual citizens to take charge of
[01:36:49.840] this to protect our civilization to
[01:36:52.239] protect our species uh to engage in
[01:36:54.880] diplomatic relations with the
[01:36:56.560] extraterrestrial beings and to reach out
[01:36:59.040] to the extraterrestrial beings to engage
[01:37:01.119] in direct citizen diplomacy to you know
[01:37:04.159] not come and save us you know or you
[01:37:06.560] know but but to cooperate with the
[01:37:08.880] citizens I mean they're intelligent
[01:37:10.960] enough to know that these people that
[01:37:12.560] are in positions of executive power are
[01:37:15.199] people of poor character, you know, I
[01:37:17.840] mean, they they have to recognize that
[01:37:20.239] uh and so we need to take the steps that
[01:37:22.560] we need to take as citizens to merit
[01:37:25.600] merit uh citizenship in this galactic uh
[01:37:29.280] civilization, whatever its nature is.
[01:37:31.679] And we need to do it now.
[01:37:34.480] And do you want to just let folks know
[01:37:36.000] how by using the new paradigm institute
[01:37:38.400] the website the templates that are there
[01:37:40.320] they can leverage their own officials?
[01:37:42.560] >> Sure. Yeah. Just come to new paradigm
[01:37:44.639] institute.org and become members of
[01:37:47.440] citizens for disclosure. You know
[01:37:49.600] citizens for disclosure is the private
[01:37:51.600] citizens group that's under 501c3. It's
[01:37:55.119] totally free. You know you're not
[01:37:56.639] charged anything for it. You can be in
[01:37:58.560] communication with us regularly about
[01:38:00.320] what the developments are that are going
[01:38:02.000] on. you know what the options are that
[01:38:04.159] you have, you know, what kind of
[01:38:05.679] communications you need to share with
[01:38:07.199] your members of the House and your
[01:38:08.639] senators, you know, to to stand up, you
[01:38:11.760] know, against this type of authoritarian
[01:38:13.840] government that is trying to potentially
[01:38:16.560] use the UFO issue to strengthen their
[01:38:19.280] power, you know. So, contact the new
[01:38:21.520] paradigm institute.org
[01:38:23.600] uh and become members of Citizens for
[01:38:25.840] Disclosure uh and we'll we'll all get
[01:38:28.400] through this together uh as citizens.
[01:38:32.000] Awesome. Well, like I say, Danny, I
[01:38:33.600] would love to have you back on in the
[01:38:35.040] next week or so. I know you're a busy
[01:38:36.880] guy. I know you're in demand. Appreciate
[01:38:39.600] your time.
[01:38:40.080] >> I'd love I love your show, Andy, and I I
[01:38:42.400] really respect it, you know, and I'm I'm
[01:38:44.719] happy to come back as soon as you want.
[01:38:47.440] >> Cheers, Danny. Well, interesting few
[01:38:49.040] days ahead perhaps. Let's see what
[01:38:50.800] happens. Uh, and thanks again, mate. And
[01:38:52.880] we'll speak very soon.
[01:38:54.320] >> Terrific. We'll speak very soon, Andy.
[01:38:56.320] Thank you so much. And thank you
[01:38:57.920] everybody for listening.