Safe Aerospace Podcast - Kevin Campbell on MQ-9 UAP footage over East Asia (September 3, 2026)

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2WLEq4cvw
Title: Former DISA Contractor Saw a UAP Live on an MQ-9 Feed Over East Asia | Kevin Campbell
Channel: Safe Aerospace Podcast
Host: Ryan Graves
Guest: Kevin Campbell
Published: 2026-09-03
Duration: 50:10
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TL;DW

The episode adds a named, first-person account from former DISA contractor Kevin Campbell, who says he viewed an older Middle East drone clip and three MQ-9 incidents over the East China Sea or Yellow Sea while working at Hill Air Force Base in 2023-2024. He describes a tumbling white-hot sphere a few feet above the sea with faint vortex-like features and a narrow light or reflection below it; a rust-brown, cocoon-like object that appeared circular in infrared and made a J-shaped turn; and a bright object he watched live that appeared white and roughly spherical in color, measured one to three meters on the display, changed direction, and disappeared from view after the camera widened. He says personnel informally clipped UVDS highlights into a DISA shared folder, MQ-9 coverage increased after the first East Asia event from one aircraft to two plus a relief aircraft, the videos accumulated hundreds of internal views, and ASA later connected him with the FBI. He is "99% sure" the House's March 2026 request item "MQ-9 observer UAP in East China Sea, 1/5/23" is one of the videos he reported.

[00:00:00.160] What did you see? What did they see?
[00:00:01.600] >> It was a single object, spherical in
[00:00:04.400] shape, not a perfect circle. It was
[00:00:07.120] moving across the water a decent speed.
[00:00:09.825] [music] I would say it was very close to
[00:00:11.920] touching the surface of the water. We
[00:00:13.920] were using in this case MQ9's and this
[00:00:17.199] was in the East China Sea, Yellow Sea.
[00:00:19.650] [music] In that region, this thing had
[00:00:21.600] no wings, no sign of like propulsion or,
[00:00:25.519] you know, no rivets. [music] You're
[00:00:26.640] seeing an IR image and so you're not
[00:00:28.560] seeing like an exhaust plume or anything
[00:00:30.240] like that [music] when it got up. What
[00:00:33.200] did they detect?
[00:00:39.300] [music]
[00:00:45.840] >> Welcome to the Americans for Safe
[00:00:47.280] Aerospace podcast. I'm Ryan Graves.
[00:00:49.920] Today you're joined by Kevin who's going
[00:00:51.840] to tell us a little bit about his
[00:00:53.840] experiences uh seeing various data sets
[00:00:57.199] in his time in the military. And if you
[00:00:59.600] haven't yet, make sure you subscribe to
[00:01:01.280] this channel. We're going to be having
[00:01:02.399] more witnesses uh like Kevin. I do want
[00:01:04.960] to have a maybe a public apology to to
[00:01:07.119] Aaron, our creative director. You know,
[00:01:09.200] as you might have noticed, our uh studio
[00:01:11.439] is a little bit closer to the two ferns
[00:01:14.080] model, I think, than what we would like
[00:01:16.400] eventually. But right now, you know,
[00:01:18.320] this is temporary. We'll probably do
[00:01:19.680] some interviews outside. Ice is going to
[00:01:21.759] be at Oshkosh this year. Big flying uh
[00:01:24.320] at the end of July and we're looking
[00:01:26.080] forward to seeing some of you there, but
[00:01:28.799] we'll also be doing some interviews
[00:01:29.920] there and whatnot. But, you know, I'm
[00:01:31.920] pretty excited about the direction that
[00:01:34.960] American Shape Aerospace is going. I
[00:01:37.360] think we'll have our own studio soon.
[00:01:39.119] So, thanks for bearing with us. Sorry,
[00:01:40.880] Aaron. I didn't bring enough props
[00:01:42.640] today. But, um but soon we'll have a
[00:01:44.560] pretty cool place, I think. But, thanks
[00:01:46.240] for joining us here in Austin. Kevin,
[00:01:47.680] why don't you tell us uh a little bit
[00:01:49.040] about how you found yourself in that
[00:01:50.479] chair?
[00:01:51.439] >> Military time, I I'm a Department of War
[00:01:53.439] contractor. I never had military time.
[00:01:55.759] >> Brilliant.
[00:01:56.240] >> Um but I worked as a satcom network
[00:01:59.040] engineer for the Defense Information
[00:02:01.040] Systems Agency.
[00:02:02.399] >> I worked in the network operations
[00:02:03.920] center at Hill Air Force Base in Utah.
[00:02:07.119] And part of that job when deployed units
[00:02:09.440] would set up their satcom equipment,
[00:02:10.959] they'd call into us. Uh we would do
[00:02:13.120] network builds for them. We'd get them
[00:02:14.640] connected into the network, monitor that
[00:02:16.720] traffic, you know, and part of that was
[00:02:18.800] watching the drones and whatever aerial
[00:02:21.200] assets that were being used for
[00:02:23.840] reconnaissance and whatever to verify
[00:02:26.000] the clarity of the footage and make sure
[00:02:28.239] everything's going smoothly. So, it was
[00:02:29.920] during my time there, cuz I'd be
[00:02:31.760] watching drones all the time, that I
[00:02:33.280] started seeing these strange things go
[00:02:35.519] on to the point to where I was like,
[00:02:36.959] "Okay, I would feel like I should come
[00:02:39.280] forward." Especially after seeing your
[00:02:40.720] guys' hearing. That's what that's what
[00:02:42.879] really inspired me to do it was your
[00:02:44.959] guys's initial hearing uh a couple years
[00:02:47.840] back
[00:02:48.160] >> 2023. Yeah.
[00:02:49.040] >> Yeah. Okay. Well, before we get into
[00:02:50.480] that, let's kind of let's maybe sus out
[00:02:52.319] a little bit of the the details on what
[00:02:54.959] that job responsibility entails. And so,
[00:02:57.840] you were working just kind of clarify
[00:02:59.760] for people and for myself. You were
[00:03:01.200] working for, you know, a private
[00:03:02.640] company. You were employed by them. You
[00:03:04.800] had security clearance and they were
[00:03:07.280] employing you as kind of like an IT
[00:03:10.159] support. I don't want to, you know,
[00:03:12.319] diminish it at all, but you you were
[00:03:13.760] doing technical support for different
[00:03:16.239] data streams and whatnot for the
[00:03:17.760] military as a contractor. Yeah, it was
[00:03:20.159] uh it was quite a bit of stuff we were
[00:03:22.000] doing cuz [clears throat] missions would
[00:03:23.840] call in to troubleshoot something going
[00:03:25.519] on like, hey, we don't have a good
[00:03:27.440] satcom connection or even something as
[00:03:29.519] simple as like they'd get set up out in
[00:03:31.599] the field. They'd call in to us and say,
[00:03:33.440] hey, we're ready to be brought to the
[00:03:34.640] network. We would remotely activate
[00:03:36.239] their satcom modems and then start
[00:03:38.239] they'd be able to start uh transmitting
[00:03:40.080] information.
[00:03:40.799] >> Did you ever work with like F-18 guys or
[00:03:42.959] Navy guys?
[00:03:43.760] >> We did work with naval vessels. They
[00:03:45.599] would call in cuz they would have
[00:03:46.720] specific satcom missions and equipment
[00:03:48.480] they were using and that uh
[00:03:50.480] communication would go through Dissa of
[00:03:52.000] course. So I was in contact with quite a
[00:03:54.400] few naval vessels here.
[00:03:56.000] >> Yeah. I imagine when it gets down to us
[00:03:58.159] and F-18, you know, we try to be
[00:03:59.920] self-contained, right? They don't be
[00:04:01.439] calling troubleshooting in the states as
[00:04:03.120] an expeditionary group, you know, in the
[00:04:04.879] Middle East, but I could see the ships
[00:04:06.640] having some like big picture linkage
[00:04:08.480] issues. Yeah. And there was um it go by
[00:04:11.200] priorities, you know, like we we go from
[00:04:13.439] something as small as like a a training
[00:04:15.519] mission in the States, guys that are
[00:04:17.519] just learning their job, their MOS
[00:04:19.680] satcom stuff. They'd call in, simulate,
[00:04:22.479] you know, getting connected with DSA
[00:04:24.000] and, you know, do that type of thing.
[00:04:26.000] All the way up to deployed forces, you
[00:04:27.919] know, all the way up to pus. You know, I
[00:04:29.680] worked on the vice president's saccom
[00:04:31.600] stuff before.
[00:04:32.160] >> Oh, that's cool.
[00:04:32.880] >> Yeah.
[00:04:33.280] >> And you use the term DISA, I think, or
[00:04:35.600] the acronym DIA. DA DA. Can you spell
[00:04:38.400] that out for us?
[00:04:39.199] >> Yeah. Defense Information Systems
[00:04:40.960] Agency.
[00:04:41.680] >> Okay.
[00:04:42.639] >> Okay. Well, that's very cool. Uh, you
[00:04:44.400] know, I don't think people realize
[00:04:46.240] >> just how much like Backbone
[00:04:48.000] Infrastructure,
[00:04:48.960] >> Yeah.
[00:04:49.360] >> needs to like be working at 100% to
[00:04:51.520] enable, you know, a lot of things. even
[00:04:53.600] just you know an F-18 flying off and you
[00:04:55.680] know although you guys didn't touch it
[00:04:57.680] you know the the crypto links the GPS
[00:05:00.000] connections and even more so in you know
[00:05:02.320] the joint strike fighter F-35
[00:05:05.120] uh and other platforms those are like
[00:05:06.720] absolutely critical to making those
[00:05:08.400] platforms actually valuable right cuz
[00:05:10.320] they're soaking up so much information
[00:05:12.320] you know these backbone data networks
[00:05:14.479] are what allows us to have these
[00:05:16.240] advantages that we have by linking
[00:05:17.840] everything together is pretty cool
[00:05:20.479] >> how how long did you do that
[00:05:22.479] >> um about a year. I've so I went out to
[00:05:25.600] Utah initially because I was in Korea
[00:05:28.000] for a couple years before that working
[00:05:30.160] and I went out to Utah. I was trying to
[00:05:32.240] move from security into IT, you know,
[00:05:34.880] studying and eventually trying to get
[00:05:36.720] back out to Korea doing IT stuff, you
[00:05:38.720] know, and so the job adissa popped up
[00:05:41.199] and that was like a perfect route. I had
[00:05:42.880] the clearance for it. I had the the base
[00:05:45.199] level IT searchs at that time. So they
[00:05:47.440] they brought me on on boarding takes a
[00:05:49.759] while, you know, before you get your
[00:05:50.880] access and everything. So, you're kind
[00:05:52.639] of shoulder surfing people there in the
[00:05:54.320] knock until you're all set up and
[00:05:56.000] actually working on stuff, you know. So,
[00:05:58.160] and that's actually where I um
[00:06:00.400] >> first saw Diss's collection of like
[00:06:03.759] Sipper videos of like drone strikes and
[00:06:06.880] other stuff.
[00:06:07.520] >> And where was this physically located?
[00:06:09.120] >> Hill Air Force Base.
[00:06:10.080] >> This was still at Hill Air Force Base.
[00:06:12.160] Uh and that is where you saw the data
[00:06:14.720] that was UIP related. Yeah. Let's kind
[00:06:18.000] of get into that a little bit and you
[00:06:19.919] know just to kind of set the stage uh
[00:06:21.919] cuz we you know are going to be brushing
[00:06:23.919] up on things here. Uh ASA doesn't accept
[00:06:28.080] or solicit classified information. Just
[00:06:30.319] to be clear, there are times when
[00:06:32.240] someone with information uh behind that
[00:06:35.120] curtain such as yourself, you know,
[00:06:37.759] looks to looks to ASA to help us get
[00:06:40.319] that information in the right hands, but
[00:06:41.840] we don't accept it. We don't want it.
[00:06:43.840] I've had a security clearance for almost
[00:06:46.880] my entire adult life. I don't want that
[00:06:49.120] headache with Americans for Safe
[00:06:50.960] Aerospace. And so, let's of course, you
[00:06:53.680] know, uh be very cautious. I think we
[00:06:55.759] should avoid I know you're you're in
[00:06:57.919] possession of uh squadron names and
[00:07:00.639] exact locations. Uh but let's avoid
[00:07:03.280] naming those explicitly if we can. Let's
[00:07:06.000] talk about the system that you were
[00:07:07.919] using just in broad terms about what it
[00:07:09.919] provides and how the UAP topic came into
[00:07:13.360] your awareness through that and also the
[00:07:15.759] year. So you talked, you know, you you
[00:07:17.120] said you saw the hearing in 2023. Yeah.
[00:07:19.520] Let's let's let's anchor there for a
[00:07:20.960] minute. You know, I've been talking a
[00:07:22.160] lot about how once people realize this
[00:07:24.479] information is important, then they're
[00:07:26.160] going to preserve it and that's going to
[00:07:27.759] allow us to get that information into
[00:07:29.440] the right hands. Uh and so it was cool
[00:07:31.840] to hear you mentioned that a few minutes
[00:07:32.960] ago, but maybe we could pick it up from
[00:07:34.479] there. So you saw the hearing you you
[00:07:36.720] were somewhat motivated. It sounds like
[00:07:38.400] you already had information or had come
[00:07:40.720] into information at that job. So let's
[00:07:42.800] talk about that. As well as there I saw
[00:07:44.800] your guys' hearing and at the same time
[00:07:47.759] this type of activity was going on and
[00:07:50.560] the hearing itself. What surprised me
[00:07:52.560] the most about it was wasn't so much the
[00:07:55.680] information about UAPs that was being
[00:07:57.280] talked about. It was our the members of
[00:08:00.479] Congress, our politicians that were like
[00:08:02.879] coming to you guys asking like, "Okay,
[00:08:04.479] so where do we go from here? How do we
[00:08:06.319] figure this out?" You know, I was like I
[00:08:08.639] was shocked. I was like, "You're telling
[00:08:10.000] me you guys don't know how to navigate
[00:08:11.759] or get into this stuff to find this
[00:08:13.440] information, but you're the one selected
[00:08:15.759] to like research this stuff for us." You
[00:08:18.319] know what I mean? And that that kind of
[00:08:20.560] concerned me. the decision makers didn't
[00:08:22.720] have access to the information that they
[00:08:24.639] were legally obligated, you know,
[00:08:27.280] congressionally mandated in order to
[00:08:29.039] make decisions about.
[00:08:30.319] >> Yeah, that concerned me. And of course,
[00:08:31.919] you know, my personal curiosity as well,
[00:08:34.240] you know, and the American people and
[00:08:36.000] myself clearly have a desire to know
[00:08:38.479] what's going on with this stuff.
[00:08:39.839] >> Yeah, I would even argue more than just
[00:08:41.279] a desire, but an innate right to
[00:08:43.120] understand the world around them.
[00:08:44.320] Perhaps there are interactions I agree
[00:08:46.320] >> that they are, you know, folks are
[00:08:48.000] experiencing to be gaslit by a
[00:08:50.240] government. You know, that's not a
[00:08:51.600] healthy position to be in.
[00:08:53.440] >> Well, maybe let's jump back a little bit
[00:08:55.120] before the hearing. So, when did you
[00:08:56.480] first come into contact with the UAP
[00:08:58.720] conversation within your professional
[00:09:00.800] duties or perhaps outside if if that
[00:09:03.200] happened earlier? Yeah. So, I guess it
[00:09:05.920] would be like my first week at Dissa.
[00:09:07.920] So, like I said, when you're like on
[00:09:10.399] boarding your first week, you don't have
[00:09:12.000] access yet, right? you're going through
[00:09:13.600] all this paperwork and clearance stuff
[00:09:15.440] and you know it just takes a while. So,
[00:09:18.080] you're just shoulder surfing with your
[00:09:19.600] co-workers, watching them do this the
[00:09:21.440] tasks and what your job's going to be.
[00:09:23.440] And then kind of like a ride of passage
[00:09:25.120] at Dissa. It's like, well, while you're
[00:09:26.800] waiting for access, you're going to
[00:09:27.920] watch the AISR drone videos, you know,
[00:09:31.279] and we have this share drive, a
[00:09:33.040] collection of videos of like all the
[00:09:35.600] best drone strikes and just interesting
[00:09:38.000] stuff over the years that they've
[00:09:39.440] compiled on the sipper side. And you sit
[00:09:42.399] there and watch it. A lot of cool stuff.
[00:09:44.080] One of those videos was a UAP event that
[00:09:47.120] happened quite a few years ago and it
[00:09:49.920] was just unexplainable.
[00:09:52.399] >> So it was a file that you just happened
[00:09:54.320] upon as you were exploring the system or
[00:09:56.240] it was part of a group of data that they
[00:09:58.160] kind of presented you to get acclimated
[00:10:00.000] to the system.
[00:10:00.959] >> Yeah, it's just sitting there. I mean
[00:10:03.279] >> it's not really like tasked or anything.
[00:10:05.760] It's just you see something on there is
[00:10:09.360] just gets saved into the share drive.
[00:10:11.120] you know, the AISR people um has been on
[00:10:13.760] DA for years. So, it's not a organized
[00:10:16.160] collection process when it comes to UAP.
[00:10:18.000] You're saying that people are just
[00:10:20.480] seeing things and deciding to kind of
[00:10:22.640] grab that clip and throw it into a
[00:10:24.720] folder. And this was just one of many
[00:10:26.079] folders, you know, that someone created
[00:10:28.079] before you got there and you're like,
[00:10:29.279] "Oh, this is the UAP folder." I guess
[00:10:31.920] more essentially like that. But you're
[00:10:33.600] not suggesting it was like an organized
[00:10:35.360] collection effort. This was kind of just
[00:10:37.040] like the colleague to colleague like
[00:10:38.959] cool folder of stuff, right? kind of.
[00:10:40.959] Yeah.
[00:10:41.200] >> Hey, check this out. You know, you want
[00:10:42.560] to see this this thing that happened a
[00:10:44.959] few years back, you know, and it just so
[00:10:46.800] happened UAP stuff winded up in there.
[00:10:48.800] >> Do you know when that folder was
[00:10:50.079] created?
[00:10:51.360] >> I don't know exactly what year. I know
[00:10:53.200] I've seen footage in that folder going
[00:10:55.120] back like 10 years plus, though. And the
[00:10:58.720] system that you're using, I presume
[00:11:01.440] they're not constantly recording. So,
[00:11:04.560] does that mean if someone did access
[00:11:06.320] information from the system, they
[00:11:07.839] probably clipped it in real time more or
[00:11:09.680] less or within some window? Is that fair
[00:11:11.600] to say?
[00:11:12.399] >> How it works is um when I would monitor
[00:11:14.880] the drones, there's a program called
[00:11:16.480] UVDS, UVIDS is what we called it on the
[00:11:18.720] sipper side. So, how my workstation was,
[00:11:20.880] I had like two nipper screens, you know,
[00:11:22.880] green side and then two sipper screens.
[00:11:25.120] >> Unclass and clash for those who might
[00:11:26.720] not be aware. Yeah. And uh so on the ser
[00:11:29.040] side there's UVDS which is basically
[00:11:31.839] almost like a classified YouTube right
[00:11:34.000] the military has its own internet type
[00:11:36.079] of thing. Um and when you're tapped into
[00:11:38.480] that you know UVDS there's like almost
[00:11:42.160] like a globe a map of the world right
[00:11:44.640] and there's like every drone that's
[00:11:47.040] currently streaming live and I could tap
[00:11:49.360] into those drones and I could maximize
[00:11:51.839] them on my screen. And usually I would
[00:11:53.600] have like nine drones up at one time,
[00:11:55.200] I'd be watching real time, you know,
[00:11:56.959] whatever I thought was interesting or
[00:11:58.320] something a mission I was currently
[00:11:59.839] working on that I wanted to monitor the
[00:12:01.839] drone clarity and all that stuff, you
[00:12:03.360] know.
[00:12:03.600] >> How cool would that be, by the way? You
[00:12:05.040] know, like I think that's a pretty cool
[00:12:06.399] position to be in.
[00:12:07.040] >> That was the best part of my job for
[00:12:08.399] sure.
[00:12:08.959] >> So basically, I guess as they would say,
[00:12:11.440] monitor the situation, right? But I
[00:12:13.200] actually was
[00:12:13.839] >> the ultimate. Yeah.
[00:12:14.639] >> Yeah. The ultimate, right? Um, so I
[00:12:17.440] would be on these drone feeds and in
[00:12:19.200] UVDS if someone like saw something that
[00:12:22.800] they wanted to save, there was a way to
[00:12:24.240] like clip it and it would do it in like
[00:12:25.920] five or 15 minute increments. I don't
[00:12:27.680] exactly know how it worked, but it would
[00:12:29.519] wind up on like a highlight section,
[00:12:31.440] right? And from there, you could
[00:12:32.959] download it into like a uh your zipper
[00:12:35.279] files or whatever, and that's how it
[00:12:37.120] would be extracted into the share drive,
[00:12:38.880] right? You know, there's no massive
[00:12:41.279] database of video files going back a
[00:12:43.279] long time that we could scrub. So this,
[00:12:45.040] you know, this folder is probably what
[00:12:46.480] we have from this, right? Unless, of
[00:12:48.720] course, the government wanted to take
[00:12:49.839] this serious and actually implement uh
[00:12:52.880] systems that would allow us to either
[00:12:55.120] real time or, you know, save the data
[00:12:57.200] for 48 hours and do that type of scrub.
[00:12:59.600] So there's an opportunity, right, to
[00:13:01.760] gather more information, low hanging
[00:13:03.279] fruit that we could be taking advantage
[00:13:04.959] of in this conversation. All right, so
[00:13:07.200] you get in this folder. What what are
[00:13:08.959] you seeing in there? I mean, what what
[00:13:10.240] do some of these older videos look like?
[00:13:12.639] You know, we'll get into I think here in
[00:13:14.800] a minute what you were kind of seeing
[00:13:16.480] more real time and whatnot, but you know
[00:13:18.160] what about those that first glimpse in
[00:13:19.920] what was in there. And oh, by the way, I
[00:13:21.760] just want to caveat for everyone. This
[00:13:24.000] was a few years ago, right? And so no
[00:13:26.000] one's expecting your memory to be
[00:13:27.200] perfect here. I think, you know, we're
[00:13:30.000] moving forward in a culture where we can
[00:13:31.600] perhaps get this intel more real time,
[00:13:33.440] but you know, we'll do our best with,
[00:13:35.279] you know, the time frames that we've
[00:13:36.560] been dealing with here.
[00:13:38.079] >> Yeah. The first UAP video that was
[00:13:40.000] already there on the share drive when I
[00:13:42.079] saw was uh and I have to let you know
[00:13:45.839] there's no I have no like context
[00:13:47.839] operationally about what I'm looking at,
[00:13:50.000] you know, as operational security,
[00:13:52.639] right? I just see the date of the video.
[00:13:55.120] I don't know what the mission was or why
[00:13:56.800] we're there. I just get to watch, you
[00:13:58.480] know what I mean? Um so this was a drone
[00:14:01.600] feed that I I presume a drone feed. It
[00:14:04.639] appeared to be somewhere in the Middle
[00:14:05.920] East. It it was over some village.
[00:14:08.800] Looked like a standard reconnaissance
[00:14:10.240] mission on a target, a building of some
[00:14:12.160] kind. But across the screen just comes
[00:14:14.800] streaking across is I can't remember it
[00:14:16.800] was like five to seven streaks of light
[00:14:20.160] just white hot you know elongated
[00:14:22.959] rectangular shape and they they just
[00:14:25.199] streak across. And this was like a
[00:14:27.120] couple seconds long. The whole video
[00:14:28.880] itself was very short.
[00:14:30.320] >> Were they like right above like a
[00:14:31.920] village or a town or were they like at
[00:14:33.680] high altitude? Yeah, it was above a
[00:14:37.360] village. Yeah, kind of like that
[00:14:39.199] downward looking like something's above
[00:14:40.720] it at some unknown altitude. Yeah. What
[00:14:43.839] were they in a formation of sorts?
[00:14:45.519] >> Yeah, it looked like a like a delta wing
[00:14:48.000] formation like that V a V formation,
[00:14:50.000] right?
[00:14:50.240] >> But they're all individual objects. It
[00:14:51.519] was daytime. You could break out that
[00:14:53.279] they were individual.
[00:14:54.240] >> I couldn't um I don't know exactly what
[00:14:56.399] time it was cuz everything was an IR,
[00:14:58.320] right? It was white hot against a more
[00:15:01.199] darker background of the village. Were
[00:15:03.040] they like a point source of like our
[00:15:06.160] energy coming at the camera or could you
[00:15:08.480] like make out like there was a center
[00:15:10.079] mass? No, it was just these solid
[00:15:13.120] streaks of light. It wasn't like I guess
[00:15:16.880] bleeding out. You know what I mean? It
[00:15:18.480] was confined into a pretty solid shape.
[00:15:21.440] >> Mhm.
[00:15:21.920] >> But it was just this bright.
[00:15:23.199] >> So there was like a defined trail behind
[00:15:25.440] these object or or perhaps you couldn't
[00:15:28.000] tell if it was a trail behind it or that
[00:15:30.000] was the object.
[00:15:31.199] >> Exactly. Yeah.
[00:15:31.839] >> Yeah. Okay. So, it was hard to Okay.
[00:15:33.680] Interesting. So, that was that was the
[00:15:35.519] first first one you saw. What else?
[00:15:38.000] Yeah, that was as far as for UAPs that
[00:15:40.399] was there. All the other all the other
[00:15:42.000] videos on there, which we had like
[00:15:43.519] hundreds, right? This all drone strikes
[00:15:45.920] or uh you know, bird's eye view of
[00:15:48.240] firefights happening from the past, you
[00:15:50.720] know, special operations, that type of
[00:15:52.480] stuff, you know, that we thought was
[00:15:54.160] really cool that was saved.
[00:15:55.199] >> Yeah. So, okay. So, you're in there, you
[00:15:56.959] see one weird thing and maybe you're
[00:15:58.240] just like, "Okay, you know, and bunch of
[00:16:00.480] other cool war footage and whatnot." By
[00:16:02.480] the way, cool and somewhat scary and
[00:16:05.120] creepy to think that, you know, as I was
[00:16:06.639] flying out there on some mission, maybe
[00:16:08.240] not this particular situation, but that
[00:16:10.320] you have, forgive me, but some, you
[00:16:12.160] know, kid, you know, sitting in some
[00:16:14.079] office somewhere in the United States
[00:16:15.600] just like watching what we're doing out
[00:16:17.120] there, you know, kind of tagging along.
[00:16:18.720] It's kind of never really thought about
[00:16:20.240] that before, but
[00:16:21.440] >> it is interesting cuz you know we're
[00:16:22.880] sitting there just doing our work and
[00:16:24.160] then the drones are up. A lot of guys
[00:16:26.079] just don't pay attention to it. But as
[00:16:27.920] soon as we see Lay's Dez on the screen,
[00:16:30.560] hey, hey, you know, hey, watch, you
[00:16:33.040] know, that's cool. Yeah. Um, but yeah,
[00:16:34.880] you know, just you never know who's
[00:16:36.320] watching, you know, in these scenarios
[00:16:37.440] who going to watch down the road and we
[00:16:38.880] always kind of knew that was there, but
[00:16:41.279] never actually talked to people behind
[00:16:43.360] the curtain. So that's cool. All right.
[00:16:45.199] So, you know, and just maybe this is a
[00:16:47.120] good point. So, you see one weird video.
[00:16:48.880] I mean, what's your mind state here? Are
[00:16:50.320] you are you into the UAP topic? Is this
[00:16:53.440] like did you have context to be like,
[00:16:55.279] "Wow, this is one of those things I've
[00:16:56.720] heard about or you just not really sure
[00:16:58.560] what to do with this?"
[00:16:59.519] >> Yeah. I mean, I've always been into this
[00:17:01.040] topic as a kid, you know what I mean?
[00:17:02.800] Growing up, fascinated with UFOs,
[00:17:04.480] aliens, all that stuff, just like
[00:17:05.839] everybody else.
[00:17:06.480] >> How can't you be when you're a kid, you
[00:17:07.919] know, like Yeah.
[00:17:09.039] >> Yeah. And so getting to see it cuz I I
[00:17:11.839] had seen like the previous footage that
[00:17:13.760] released like the gimbal and all that
[00:17:15.439] the go fast video that you guys
[00:17:17.520] presented and so that that was
[00:17:19.039] fascinating to me and then seeing that
[00:17:20.799] on the sipper side I was like yeah
[00:17:22.799] that's that's legit and I had talked
[00:17:24.480] with guys in the knock about this like
[00:17:26.400] hey what do you think that is and you
[00:17:28.000] know we debate with each other like no
[00:17:29.440] that's that's got to be ordinance or
[00:17:30.720] that's got to be something I was like no
[00:17:32.080] way you know I'm very familiar with how
[00:17:34.640] ordinance looks going through the air
[00:17:36.640] >> just from all the footage I've seen and
[00:17:38.799] I Remember I was arguing with one of the
[00:17:40.880] missile defense guys cuz we're we're
[00:17:42.400] broken up into sections, right? My
[00:17:44.480] section is called ESGS, which is
[00:17:46.240] enterprise satcom gateway services. You
[00:17:48.799] got cyber defense over here and then you
[00:17:51.280] got AISR over here and so on and so
[00:17:53.919] forth. This circle around the the
[00:17:56.480] commanders in the middle, the officers,
[00:17:58.160] right? And [snorts] so we'd we'd talk
[00:17:59.840] about it and be like, "What do you think
[00:18:01.200] that is?" And lots of different ideas
[00:18:03.200] being floating around, you know what I
[00:18:04.480] mean? Some guys were like, "Yeah, that's
[00:18:06.240] totally anomalous." and other guys.
[00:18:07.520] Well, there's got to be an explanation.
[00:18:09.360] >> Same uncertainty on the as on the
[00:18:11.280] outside as well,
[00:18:12.240] >> right?
[00:18:12.640] >> Remind me what year this is again when
[00:18:14.400] you're getting in.
[00:18:15.120] >> Yeah, this was in 2023 24. Yeah.
[00:18:19.280] >> Before the hearing,
[00:18:20.799] >> I think. Yeah, before the hearing. And
[00:18:22.559] then while I was there,
[00:18:24.400] >> I think you guys had the hearing
[00:18:26.320] >> and that's when I was like, "Oh, okay.
[00:18:28.320] You know, I should probably jump on
[00:18:30.000] this."
[00:18:30.400] >> So, what happened next then from there?
[00:18:32.320] >> Happened next. I can't remember if I
[00:18:34.480] started seeing my stuff before or after
[00:18:36.880] your hearing. Right. I just know after
[00:18:39.440] your hearing very shortly before or
[00:18:42.559] after is when I saw the UIPs that I saw
[00:18:45.600] and then
[00:18:46.400] >> on the s on this system.
[00:18:48.320] >> Yeah. And then felt compelled to reach
[00:18:50.080] out and you [clears throat] know report
[00:18:51.679] it.
[00:18:52.000] >> Well, let's talk about those
[00:18:53.039] experiences. What what did you see? And
[00:18:54.480] again, this is now like on the real time
[00:18:55.919] feed.
[00:18:56.400] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[00:18:58.000] >> I we were working eight hour shifts,
[00:19:00.000] right? So, I was working nights at the
[00:19:02.320] time. the the midshift, you know.
[00:19:04.480] >> So, daytime in the US. Oh, actually, no,
[00:19:06.400] this was sorry.
[00:19:08.400] >> Yeah. So, um I would come in and then I
[00:19:11.600] get all my stuff going, start working on
[00:19:13.600] stuff, and then I'd pull up the drone
[00:19:14.960] feeds, and every day coming in, I would
[00:19:16.880] check the highlights and be like, "All
[00:19:17.840] right, what's new?" You know, anything
[00:19:19.120] interesting? You know, and one day there
[00:19:22.320] was a footage of what appeared to be a
[00:19:24.880] UAP on there that I was like, "Holy cow,
[00:19:27.760] you know, what what is it that I'm
[00:19:29.280] looking at?" you know, and I looked into
[00:19:30.640] where the location was, where the drones
[00:19:32.240] were flying when this was, you know, and
[00:19:35.280] I was monitoring these drones in real
[00:19:37.039] time out while I was at work. That was
[00:19:39.280] on the highlights, right?
[00:19:41.120] >> So, someone else pulled it.
[00:19:42.480] >> Yeah, someone else did. I went to an
[00:19:44.640] AISR guy and I was like, "Hey, do you
[00:19:46.960] see this video on the highlights right
[00:19:48.320] now?" Like, "Can you pull this into the
[00:19:50.240] share drive?" He's like, "Yeah, I can."
[00:19:51.679] Yeah.
[00:19:52.000] >> Did you ever figure out who pulled it
[00:19:53.360] originally?
[00:19:54.480] >> No, I did not. I I assume it was the uh
[00:19:57.200] you mean who uploaded it and the
[00:19:58.559] highlights to UVDS?
[00:19:59.760] >> No. Who found who like first discovered
[00:20:01.440] it? You know, like I'm curious their
[00:20:02.720] rationale what they thought when they
[00:20:04.240] first pulled it.
[00:20:04.960] >> I would love to know that too. Now it's
[00:20:07.039] the way the UVDS is set up is like you
[00:20:10.320] can see how many people have viewed it.
[00:20:11.919] It's kind of like YouTube, you know. Um
[00:20:13.760] there's also like a live stream function
[00:20:15.679] as as it's going like there's also like
[00:20:18.240] a live chat.
[00:20:19.120] >> Hey, I'm just live streaming from the
[00:20:20.960] skiff, you know. Hey. But yeah, so a lot
[00:20:23.360] of the times they would whoever was like
[00:20:25.360] the administrator of it of it would like
[00:20:27.600] open up the chat at certain times so you
[00:20:29.520] could communicate. The only time I ever
[00:20:31.840] saw it happen is when a drone's going
[00:20:33.600] down and everyone's typing Fs in the
[00:20:35.360] chat, you know what I mean? So
[00:20:36.654] [laughter]
[00:20:37.760] yeah, you know, so salute 07. That's
[00:20:40.880] hilarious.
[00:20:41.919] >> So yeah, I don't know who originally put
[00:20:43.760] it up in there.
[00:20:44.400] >> Okay, so you you see this video. What
[00:20:46.480] maybe before we get into details, but
[00:20:48.000] you do want to say generally
[00:20:49.840] whereabouts.
[00:20:51.360] uh it was uh detected and what platform
[00:20:55.280] detected it perhaps or just vaguely and
[00:20:58.320] then um what what what did they detect?
[00:21:02.159] >> Yeah. So we were using in this case
[00:21:04.880] MQ9's um and this was in the East China
[00:21:08.080] Sea Yellow Sea you know in that region.
[00:21:11.679] >> What did you see? What did they see? So
[00:21:13.760] this first one it was a single object uh
[00:21:16.960] spherical in shape not a perfect circle
[00:21:20.320] you know they never are it seems it was
[00:21:22.400] but it was spherical it was moving
[00:21:24.640] across the water at a a decent speed I
[00:21:28.080] would say it was very close to touching
[00:21:30.080] the surface of the water first it was
[00:21:32.080] panned out it was white hot in IR and it
[00:21:35.360] was just tracking it going along and
[00:21:37.440] then it zoomed in on it watching it kind
[00:21:40.559] of almost tumble in a way I I couldn't
[00:21:43.440] as if it was a somewhat uneven sphere
[00:21:45.200] and you could see that it was kind of
[00:21:47.039] the flight path was tumbling or you
[00:21:48.960] could kind of tell it's rotating
[00:21:50.320] forever.
[00:21:50.640] >> It kind of seemed to be both. At times
[00:21:52.720] it be it'd be moving like straight
[00:21:54.080] across the water and doing like this
[00:21:56.080] kind of tumbling motion. I wouldn't say
[00:21:57.760] it's going like end over end, but it has
[00:21:59.919] like this kind of bobbing movement. You
[00:22:01.760] know what I mean? Yes.
[00:22:02.720] >> Yeah.
[00:22:03.200] >> Do you have any estimate of the
[00:22:04.320] altitude?
[00:22:05.360] >> It had to be
[00:22:07.679] gosh a couple feet over the water.
[00:22:09.280] >> Oh, a couple feet. Yeah.
[00:22:10.880] >> Yeah. very very close to the water.
[00:22:12.960] >> Did they have a lock on the object?
[00:22:15.039] >> It didn't have like an actual square
[00:22:17.520] around it like a targeting square is
[00:22:19.039] what I would call it where it could
[00:22:20.240] actually measure like the size and stuff
[00:22:22.159] >> like the drones are capable of doing.
[00:22:23.760] But it was locked onto the target and or
[00:22:26.159] >> was moving with it or they were sloing
[00:22:28.000] it. Yeah.
[00:22:28.640] >> Either that or the drone operator was
[00:22:30.400] really good with the stick cuz he was
[00:22:31.760] following it.
[00:22:32.240] >> It's probably locked in some way. It's
[00:22:33.679] very hard and it's like the it's jerky
[00:22:35.679] if if it's operator control. It's
[00:22:37.520] impossible to be smooth. probably hard
[00:22:39.440] to estimate the size I imagine.
[00:22:41.360] >> Yeah. Unless you have a comment on that.
[00:22:43.520] Yeah. So, I know like in in future
[00:22:46.320] events that I saw, they did get a like a
[00:22:49.280] square around it to measure it as a tool
[00:22:51.360] that the drone can use, I guess. And
[00:22:53.679] sometimes it'd be have 1 meter next to
[00:22:56.080] it. Other times it' be 3 m. So, between
[00:22:58.559] 1 to 3 m is my estimate. And there was
[00:23:01.760] also I've seen it pass in front of a
[00:23:04.000] ship. This appeared to be a fishing
[00:23:06.240] vessel, you know. So in the right hands
[00:23:08.960] that that footage from there. Yeah.
[00:23:11.360] >> Yeah. You know what I mean?
[00:23:12.640] >> So okay. So you before we get into these
[00:23:15.120] other sightings, you're seeing this
[00:23:16.799] fear. It's tumbling. It's kind of
[00:23:18.000] bobbing in the air. Do you have any
[00:23:19.520] sense of the winds? You know, is this
[00:23:21.120] moving against the winds? Is this moving
[00:23:22.720] with the winds? Is this moving fast? Is
[00:23:25.200] this moving slow? And how does, you
[00:23:27.200] know, how does this video end? I
[00:23:29.760] couldn't get a really a sense of like
[00:23:31.520] wind direction. I could see like the
[00:23:33.600] waves of course uh like the white caps
[00:23:35.840] and whatnot, but I I couldn't tell
[00:23:37.840] direction and that type of thing. I
[00:23:39.200] could see like the way the drone was
[00:23:40.720] oriented and the angle it was looking at
[00:23:42.880] it from, [snorts] but uh that
[00:23:45.120] information I no I don't have that. Um I
[00:23:48.480] would say it was moving at a decent
[00:23:50.480] speed. I mean, this thing had no wings,
[00:23:52.400] no sign of like propulsion or, you know,
[00:23:55.760] no rivets, nothing like that.
[00:23:56.960] >> And there you're seeing an IR image, and
[00:23:58.799] so you're not seeing like an exhaust
[00:24:00.320] plume or anything like that. When it got
[00:24:02.480] up really close on it, you know, the
[00:24:04.320] best way I can uh compare it to is the
[00:24:07.520] recent drops that came out. You saw the
[00:24:09.200] ones like there's one that does move
[00:24:11.200] past a ship in the in the latest drops
[00:24:13.120] they did. Um, it looks similar to that.
[00:24:15.120] And also the one moving between like
[00:24:16.720] those windmills and stuff. It looked
[00:24:18.400] very similar.
[00:24:18.960] >> Yeah. So, you're talking about the drop
[00:24:20.159] from the Department of War. Depending on
[00:24:22.000] when this airs, that might best be
[00:24:23.760] referred to as the first drop, but yeah.
[00:24:25.600] Okay. I think we'll all know what you're
[00:24:27.200] talking about
[00:24:28.799] >> up close. Um, cuz it did zoom in pretty
[00:24:31.520] close to it. And what I saw, it appeared
[00:24:34.240] to be like three vortexes on the top and
[00:24:37.039] bottom. Very, very faint. It It was
[00:24:39.679] really odd. Uh, it was still like that
[00:24:41.760] white hot sphere, but it had these three
[00:24:45.200] very transparent vortexes on the top and
[00:24:47.200] bottom. And like side by side or like
[00:24:50.799] one, two, three. Yeah.
[00:24:52.559] >> And then in and the water itself, it
[00:24:55.120] almost looked like a like a laser
[00:24:57.200] underwater. Like as the object was going
[00:25:00.480] across the waves, right underneath it
[00:25:02.080] was like this almost like a point of
[00:25:03.600] energy. I couldn't tell if it was like a
[00:25:05.520] reflection or something under the water
[00:25:07.760] like underneath it, but it was like a
[00:25:09.440] straight line of what looked like a a
[00:25:12.159] laser or a very tight reflection of it.
[00:25:14.640] >> Interesting. Yeah. potentially some kind
[00:25:17.840] of iron energy coming out the bottom
[00:25:19.679] into the ocean for whatever reason.
[00:25:21.582] [snorts] It's interesting how low it is,
[00:25:23.039] too.
[00:25:23.440] >> Yeah, that's that's that's very
[00:25:25.039] interesting. Especially, you know, if it
[00:25:26.559] is putting out some kind of energy into
[00:25:28.000] the ocean, you know, there's things we
[00:25:29.520] can learn from that. How did how did
[00:25:31.039] this video end?
[00:25:32.640] >> I mean, it just keeps tracking it for a
[00:25:34.559] while and then it just I guess the drone
[00:25:37.039] just like, okay, we're done and just
[00:25:38.400] lets it go off screen and that's it. You
[00:25:40.000] know what I mean?
[00:25:40.559] >> Right. So, this one is somewhat
[00:25:41.679] ambiguous, right? It could be some kind
[00:25:43.600] of strange platform. We we're not seeing
[00:25:45.520] this thing rocket off or anything, but
[00:25:47.600] it's a data point, right? So, what
[00:25:49.279] happens next? Kind of as you see this
[00:25:51.200] video and you're like, hm, you save it.
[00:25:53.520] What's next? Yeah. I told the ASR guys,
[00:25:55.840] I was like, hey, save this video. Like,
[00:25:57.840] that's that's pretty cool, you know? And
[00:25:59.760] so, we did. We had it saved in there.
[00:26:01.760] And from that point moving forward, I
[00:26:03.520] was watching every drone in that area
[00:26:05.840] 24/7, you know what I mean? And activity
[00:26:08.240] did pick up. like the amount of assets
[00:26:10.080] that we were deploying out there almost
[00:26:12.080] seemed like we were looking for this
[00:26:13.679] type of thing.
[00:26:14.559] >> And what gives you what gives you that,
[00:26:16.159] you know, what makes you confident to
[00:26:18.000] say that? What did you see either out of
[00:26:20.960] the new availability of aircraft in that
[00:26:24.159] area or how they were searching the area
[00:26:26.159] that gave you that impression?
[00:26:27.919] >> When the first video happened that that
[00:26:29.919] first event, it was one MQ9 out there
[00:26:32.960] just in the middle of the ocean, which
[00:26:34.559] is already weird. you know, why have it
[00:26:36.880] fly in a mission in the middle of the
[00:26:38.000] ocean for no reason, right? And then
[00:26:39.840] after that incident, there'd be two out
[00:26:41.919] there split apart like in different
[00:26:44.480] regions almost doing like a search
[00:26:46.000] pattern in different sections, right?
[00:26:48.880] So, and then they'd be working in shifts
[00:26:51.360] when one a third one would be on the way
[00:26:53.919] to relieve another, the other one's
[00:26:55.360] going back.
[00:26:55.840] >> So, they saw continuous coverage in this
[00:26:57.760] area. Y
[00:26:58.640] >> which means they've prioritized it.
[00:27:00.480] Yeah. What else did they see? The second
[00:27:03.039] one was another highlight is when I I
[00:27:05.679] came in to work, looked in the
[00:27:07.440] highlights. I was like, "Oh, there's
[00:27:08.640] another one." You know, I don't remember
[00:27:10.159] how many how much time it passed between
[00:27:11.919] the first and this one. It's been a
[00:27:13.520] while, but it was on the highlights
[00:27:15.520] again. I looked at this video and it was
[00:27:17.840] another object, white, hot, and IR. Um,
[00:27:21.440] this one though, they switched to EO
[00:27:23.600] electrol optical color, right? And they
[00:27:26.159] got it in three frames in color. And it
[00:27:29.039] was like this brown rust color almost
[00:27:32.559] which was odd because and the shape was
[00:27:34.559] different too because in IR it was the
[00:27:36.880] circular shape
[00:27:38.400] >> but in color it was almost um elongated
[00:27:42.400] almost like a cocoon or like a peanut
[00:27:44.480] almost. It it was super weird. But we
[00:27:46.480] only got it in three frames cuz the
[00:27:47.840] drone couldn't get a lock on it in Eio.
[00:27:49.840] But then it switched back to IR and was
[00:27:51.360] following this thing
[00:27:52.080] >> and then it looked like a sphere in IR.
[00:27:54.000] >> Yeah. Mhm. Interesting. Yeah. All right.
[00:27:56.240] So, brownish, rusty, peanutshaped
[00:27:59.120] object. Altitude.
[00:28:01.440] >> Couldn't tell.
[00:28:02.159] >> Couldn't tell.
[00:28:02.960] >> Close to the every time. It's always
[00:28:04.480] close to the water though.
[00:28:05.279] >> In proximity of the water speeds or
[00:28:07.760] kinematic behavior.
[00:28:10.720] >> I don't think it was going like
[00:28:12.960] impossibly fast,
[00:28:14.720] >> you know, but it it was moving, you
[00:28:16.559] know, especially for something of that
[00:28:18.960] uh that shape that like aerodynamic wise
[00:28:21.840] that makes no sense. How far are we from
[00:28:23.760] like the nearest land mass?
[00:28:26.240] >> I can't tell exactly. I know on the
[00:28:28.320] third one that I saw, I did map it out
[00:28:30.559] like, "Okay, exactly how far off are
[00:28:32.240] we?" And it was like almost 100 miles
[00:28:34.480] offshore of South Korea. And so this one
[00:28:37.440] kind of same thing. You see it and then
[00:28:39.039] they just disengage from it or did it
[00:28:40.799] end in some other way?
[00:28:42.320] >> I think it it was doing some
[00:28:43.600] maneuvering. It was tracking it for a
[00:28:45.600] while cuz it was trying to get in color
[00:28:46.960] and IR switching back and forth.
[00:28:48.799] >> Was the object maneuvering?
[00:28:50.559] >> Yeah, it was. This one was actually
[00:28:53.520] changing directions. It was almost doing
[00:28:57.520] like almost a J hook maneuver, you know,
[00:29:01.120] almost turning back
[00:29:02.320] >> vertical one.
[00:29:03.200] >> No, I'd say like a turn, like a left,
[00:29:05.760] right turn.
[00:29:06.399] >> If I if this is like the ocean here and
[00:29:08.399] like this the angle of the drone, it was
[00:29:10.159] coming across and doing like a J hook
[00:29:11.919] like that, you know. And this that's not
[00:29:14.159] the first time. Uh the third video that
[00:29:15.840] happened as well. And in this second
[00:29:18.320] event, it was broken up into two
[00:29:20.320] different videos. I don't know why, but
[00:29:22.720] it's like
[00:29:24.320] >> sometimes in UVs the same event just in
[00:29:27.520] different time increments will be broken
[00:29:28.960] up into different sections, you know,
[00:29:30.399] but it's the same event, you know.
[00:29:32.240] >> So now we're spheres were we're peanuts.
[00:29:34.960] >> Mhm.
[00:29:35.279] >> What's next? Yeah. Next one. Third one.
[00:29:38.399] I saw this live. And what's funny about
[00:29:40.799] this is I was coming in to work to
[00:29:42.880] relieve uh the dayshift guys
[00:29:45.600] >> and cuz by now we were chatting about it
[00:29:47.760] all the time. I was like, "Hey, watch
[00:29:49.120] this video that that I found on UVDS
[00:29:51.760] that's on the share drive." You know,
[00:29:53.279] the guys were kind of getting interested
[00:29:54.399] in it. You know what I mean? And I'm
[00:29:56.030] [snorts] like, "Well, how do you like
[00:29:57.039] show me exactly what drones you're
[00:29:58.480] looking at so I can watch this stuff
[00:30:00.159] when I'm working?" So, I was like
[00:30:01.440] showing them was like, "Okay, you want
[00:30:02.559] to pull these drones up, you know?" And
[00:30:04.480] I was doing it as an example. I was
[00:30:06.480] clicking this MQ9. And when I pulled up
[00:30:09.039] the screen, it was on this UAP flying
[00:30:12.240] over the water. I was like, "Yeah, this
[00:30:14.399] is what I'm talking about."
[00:30:15.440] >> Yeah. you know,
[00:30:16.640] >> look and ye shall see, you know. So, I'm
[00:30:19.120] watching this live with my coworker and
[00:30:21.440] I'm like, "Okay, yeah, perfect example
[00:30:24.559] right here." You know, and uh this one
[00:30:28.000] we got it in color and IR.
[00:30:31.520] It was an IR appeared to be the same
[00:30:34.799] spherical shape, but this one was like
[00:30:36.559] blinking like a star almost. It It was
[00:30:38.640] different, you know. It got zoomed down
[00:30:40.799] at really close like almost filling up
[00:30:42.720] the screen and it was uh radiating
[00:30:45.919] almost like
[00:30:47.120] >> in IR.
[00:30:48.000] >> Yeah. Yeah. Blinking like a star like if
[00:30:50.000] you look at a star through a telesc or
[00:30:52.799] twinkling twinkling. I'd say twinkling.
[00:30:55.200] And can you make out a shape?
[00:30:56.640] >> Not really cuz it was it was very
[00:30:58.159] radiant.
[00:30:59.200] >> It was circular shape I guess. You know
[00:31:01.279] >> how to interpret that as someone has
[00:31:02.720] seen all this video?
[00:31:04.080] >> I don't know man. That's why I'm coming
[00:31:05.679] to you. You know, I I want the people to
[00:31:08.240] see it so they could decide for
[00:31:09.200] themselves. You know what I mean? I want
[00:31:11.120] like analysis of it. I want to know what
[00:31:13.120] I saw. You know,
[00:31:14.720] >> cuz when it would switch to color on
[00:31:17.360] this one, it was a white sphere. Uh
[00:31:21.679] almost like almost tic tac looking, you
[00:31:24.000] know, just cruising across the water,
[00:31:26.000] you know, blue water, white object, IR.
[00:31:29.360] >> Can you tell the size of this one or
[00:31:31.279] >> This one got This one did get measured
[00:31:32.880] by the drone. This is the one that
[00:31:34.320] varied between 1 to 3 m. At at first it
[00:31:37.279] it showed the square was like 1 m and
[00:31:39.279] then I did it again it was at 3 m.
[00:31:41.519] >> Still down right above the ocean.
[00:31:43.360] >> Yeah.
[00:31:43.679] >> Does this have that tumble appearance or
[00:31:45.760] as the previous one did or is this more
[00:31:47.600] >> I want to say so.
[00:31:48.480] >> Yeah.
[00:31:48.799] >> Mhm.
[00:31:49.519] >> Estimates of of speed at all if you're
[00:31:51.919] capable.
[00:31:52.399] >> I really can't say. Yeah.
[00:31:54.159] >> Maneuvering.
[00:31:55.200] >> I can't remember if it's on the second
[00:31:56.399] or third video where in color it did
[00:31:58.159] this J hook maneuver
[00:31:59.600] >> and it it came it came down and it
[00:32:01.760] almost did a 180 back the way it came.
[00:32:03.919] this wide arc and went back the way it
[00:32:05.919] came. So, moving intelligently, you're
[00:32:07.600] right.
[00:32:08.000] >> And this is more of an elongated kind of
[00:32:09.919] tic tac shape or
[00:32:12.000] >> not that elongated cuz I've seen like
[00:32:13.840] the render like the example that they
[00:32:15.600] use of the tic tac almost looks like a
[00:32:17.200] propane tank, right? I wouldn't say like
[00:32:19.360] a pill like that. You know what I mean?
[00:32:21.600] More circular. Yeah.
[00:32:22.880] >> Yeah.
[00:32:23.279] >> Okay. What else about this one? As the
[00:32:26.000] drone was tracking it, it was trying to
[00:32:28.080] switch into EO, you know, color and
[00:32:31.919] going back and forth like that. And
[00:32:33.600] eventually it lost it. It It had it like
[00:32:37.039] zoomed up all the way on screen and then
[00:32:40.000] it panned out like assuming that, you
[00:32:44.159] know, the height the altitude of the
[00:32:45.919] drone and how far away it is from the
[00:32:47.440] object, it could have been like a couple
[00:32:49.120] miles from end to end of my screen that
[00:32:51.360] I'm looking at. You know what I mean?
[00:32:52.799] But it was just gone. It disappeared.
[00:32:54.880] And you could see the drone like look
[00:32:57.519] for like where'd it go? You know what I
[00:32:58.720] mean? It was just gone.
[00:33:00.480] >> I don't know if it went underwater. I
[00:33:02.320] don't know.
[00:33:02.960] >> That would have been great to capture.
[00:33:04.080] Yeah,
[00:33:04.399] >> it would have. Right. Yeah.
[00:33:06.000] >> What's next then? Did this continue?
[00:33:08.320] >> That was that was the last one that I
[00:33:10.080] saw there.
[00:33:10.799] >> Yeah.
[00:33:11.200] >> Mhm.
[00:33:11.679] >> And how much longer were you there? I
[00:33:13.679] was there to do like a probationary
[00:33:15.519] period with this company, this
[00:33:16.799] contractor, cuz I knew that if I was
[00:33:18.960] with them for a while, they had
[00:33:20.320] contracts in Korea, which I was trying
[00:33:21.919] to go back out to, which I eventually
[00:33:24.000] did, right? You I was there for just
[00:33:26.240] over 8 months, I think.
[00:33:27.840] >> What do you think? I mean, were you just
[00:33:29.360] not looking? Do you think they just
[00:33:30.960] stopped? You know, it seemed like it was
[00:33:32.799] somewhat consistent for a period and
[00:33:34.240] then nothing for 8 months. What What do
[00:33:36.080] you think happened?
[00:33:37.360] >> Yeah, cuz I know as soon as the first
[00:33:38.799] one happened, like I mentioned, they
[00:33:40.640] seem to prioritize this, right? They had
[00:33:43.360] assets out there all the time like 24/7.
[00:33:46.080] So they continue to have assets in that
[00:33:47.840] area where you're seeing the um the one
[00:33:49.679] we just talked about the sphere that
[00:33:51.600] gone on. So how I mean how many assets
[00:33:53.279] are we talking about here?
[00:33:55.120] >> Like I said always two MQ9's out there
[00:33:57.360] at least right a third on the way to
[00:33:59.120] relieve another type of thing. And
[00:34:00.559] they're I don't know if you can provide
[00:34:02.399] a loose estimate maybe a few hundred
[00:34:05.039] miles from a landing their like their
[00:34:07.200] base of operations or are these things
[00:34:08.800] traveling you know across the world in
[00:34:11.280] order to to do this?
[00:34:12.399] >> Not that far but uh yeah I'd say within
[00:34:16.000] the Endopac region right?
[00:34:17.760] >> Yeah. So they are prioritizing this with
[00:34:19.679] with local assets. Okay. So we have
[00:34:23.679] multiple instances people are capturing
[00:34:26.240] them. A lot of times it's not even you
[00:34:27.919] capturing it other people. Well, I'd
[00:34:29.359] love to hear what else they've seen
[00:34:31.119] perhaps, right? Maybe they have their
[00:34:32.639] own folder that you don't have access
[00:34:33.919] to.
[00:34:34.159] >> That's what I'm saying cuz, you know,
[00:34:35.599] that's just our folder in Dissa. I know
[00:34:37.919] there's guys in other sks somewhere that
[00:34:40.000] have their own folders that are saving
[00:34:41.839] stuff as well. You know what I mean?
[00:34:43.440] >> So, it's it's hard.
[00:34:45.040] >> What's your what's your mind state? You
[00:34:46.560] know, you're like, "All right, I've you
[00:34:47.760] know, we've seen these this hearing has
[00:34:49.359] happened. What led you to, you know,
[00:34:52.000] what did you do next? Did you report
[00:34:53.440] this to someone? I assume you've been
[00:34:55.679] talking with your colleagues a little
[00:34:56.879] bit and I want to talk about their
[00:34:58.560] reactions too. But you know what what
[00:35:00.160] happened next for you?
[00:35:01.920] >> Never really reported to anyone at
[00:35:03.599] Dissa. Like honestly it's it's a very
[00:35:06.240] laid-back environment. Like you tell a
[00:35:08.480] guy, "Hey, it's the aliens again."
[00:35:10.240] They're like, "Yeah, anyways, back to
[00:35:12.720] work, right?"
[00:35:13.599] >> Yeah.
[00:35:14.000] >> It's you see all sorts of stuff at this
[00:35:16.320] job, right? You know, we're watching
[00:35:17.839] everything around the world. you know,
[00:35:19.920] there was really no nothing set up
[00:35:22.320] within DSA to be like, "Hey, if you see
[00:35:24.480] anything like this, let us know." I
[00:35:26.320] never heard of anything like that, you
[00:35:28.000] know. So, that's when I saw your guys'
[00:35:30.320] hearing and I was like, and then, you
[00:35:32.640] know, ASA was created, your guys'
[00:35:35.200] organization, and uh I reached out to
[00:35:38.079] you guys and I was like, "Hey, I've very
[00:35:40.720] vaguely I was like, I work in government
[00:35:42.640] contracting. I've seen some stuff in the
[00:35:45.280] right environment. I'd like to talk
[00:35:46.560] about it." you know, so that's where I
[00:35:49.119] went from there.
[00:35:49.839] >> This was pretty early on. I think this
[00:35:51.280] was a time when we were um taking our
[00:35:54.160] witnesses to the relatively newly
[00:35:56.000] formulated AROW office. Can you tell me
[00:35:58.560] about that experience?
[00:35:59.920] >> Once I made contact with you guys and uh
[00:36:02.800] reported what I had seen in order to get
[00:36:05.920] and talk with someone in a classified
[00:36:07.920] environment about the exact details that
[00:36:10.480] would be arrow exist to facilitate that
[00:36:14.240] supposedly, right? I just remember this
[00:36:16.320] was like the this must have been the
[00:36:17.599] early days of Arrow because I I remember
[00:36:20.480] in the email chain it was like hey so uh
[00:36:23.280] if you want to talk to someone about
[00:36:24.800] this I know you're not working with DA
[00:36:27.119] anymore but tell one of your buddies to
[00:36:28.720] email this super address [laughter] and
[00:36:31.680] I was like I was like are you kidding me
[00:36:33.440] like this is it this is the government
[00:36:34.880] this is the government process for this
[00:36:36.960] like that's ridiculous you know I'm I'm
[00:36:39.520] good on that I'll wait until you guys
[00:36:41.280] have something better going you know cuz
[00:36:43.520] that that's
[00:36:44.960] Arrow I think has been a controversial
[00:36:46.880] organization you know especially early
[00:36:48.880] on under the leadership of uh Dr. Sean
[00:36:51.200] Kurpatre, you know, who I've interacted
[00:36:53.040] with, they there is new leadership under
[00:36:55.839] John Kowski, um, you know, who I've
[00:36:58.000] spoken with, and I think he is doing the
[00:37:01.040] best he can within, you know, the
[00:37:02.880] constraints of being within the DoD, you
[00:37:05.680] know, working on this issue. And even
[00:37:08.079] just recently, it seems like there's
[00:37:09.760] been some uh mending of the fences
[00:37:11.599] between him and that office uh, and some
[00:37:15.119] of some of the critics of the office in
[00:37:17.359] Congress. And I hope that reconciliation
[00:37:20.640] is earnest because Arrow has decided to
[00:37:24.800] to cooperate with the intent of what
[00:37:26.800] Congress.
[00:37:27.440] >> Yeah, it looks like they've got their
[00:37:28.800] stuff together. They are taking it
[00:37:30.640] serious.
[00:37:31.119] >> I'm I'm cautiously optimistic and you
[00:37:32.960] know I think as an organization there's
[00:37:34.800] a role for Arrow to play. I don't think
[00:37:36.880] Arrow should be necessarily the whole of
[00:37:39.359] government owner on this topic. It's too
[00:37:42.160] big just for for that office and and
[00:37:44.480] those authorizations that they have. But
[00:37:47.119] I am I am optimistic that there might
[00:37:48.960] be, you know, a positive path forward
[00:37:50.560] for them. But regardless, at this point,
[00:37:53.200] under Kurt Patrick's leadership, you
[00:37:55.440] weren't getting the warm fuzzies that
[00:37:58.320] this was going to be a professional,
[00:38:00.320] clean process. And so, uh, we looked for
[00:38:03.040] another path. What What did we do then?
[00:38:05.119] >> Yeah, we got in contact with the FBI.
[00:38:07.680] >> Surprisingly, the FBI took it really
[00:38:09.280] serious. They were actually all they
[00:38:11.280] wanted to hear everything, and that was
[00:38:12.880] that was pretty good. I was impressed
[00:38:14.640] with how uh they handled it. You know, I
[00:38:17.440] got in a call with them and discussed
[00:38:19.440] things and uh they seem to take it
[00:38:21.599] really serious because, you know,
[00:38:22.560] they're working with FAA and all this
[00:38:24.240] stuff. So, I guess they're trying to
[00:38:25.680] compile their own database, right? Which
[00:38:28.320] I was happy to help with, you know. Um
[00:38:30.640] it just surprised me that there's
[00:38:33.520] different government agencies trying to
[00:38:35.839] go at it themselves and compile their
[00:38:37.839] own individual studies of this and
[00:38:40.000] there's not like a centralized place
[00:38:41.280] that they can pull it from. I agree.
[00:38:42.960] there needs to be that. I think that
[00:38:44.960] people were perhaps hoping that Arrow
[00:38:46.480] would be that, but they saw that there
[00:38:48.400] was perhaps some misaligned incentives
[00:38:50.640] with the DoD investigating what could
[00:38:52.960] potentially lead to the uncovering of
[00:38:54.960] illegal activities in the DoD. So,
[00:38:57.119] obviously, there's some, you know,
[00:38:58.320] misalignment of uh incentives there. And
[00:39:01.359] so while I would normally, you know,
[00:39:03.599] preach that we do need a centralized
[00:39:05.119] location, I think early on, you know,
[00:39:07.200] the time period that we've had over the
[00:39:08.800] past couple years, it's been very
[00:39:10.320] productive to have multiple
[00:39:12.240] organizations providing independent
[00:39:14.320] audits, if you will, of some of this
[00:39:15.839] information such that one group can't
[00:39:17.680] necessarily control the conversation.
[00:39:19.920] And I then think, you know, the
[00:39:21.359] outcropping of that is a more
[00:39:23.440] centralized trusted, you know,
[00:39:26.079] government database. uh on the
[00:39:28.160] >> it appears that like you know you have
[00:39:30.720] different agencies going at it by
[00:39:32.079] themselves. Well, it incentivizes the
[00:39:34.240] other agencies to be like, "Okay, we
[00:39:35.760] need to at the end of the day, the FBI
[00:39:37.520] is better resourced and and better
[00:39:39.680] staffed and has the experience to
[00:39:41.599] actually run investigations, right?
[00:39:43.520] That's not what the primary, you know,
[00:39:46.079] background and responsibilities of the
[00:39:47.760] staff uh arrow are." And you know, just
[00:39:51.680] just to be clear, you know, in case
[00:39:53.680] folks weren't aware, you know, a few
[00:39:55.760] years back, there was a small group of
[00:39:58.320] of folks within the FBI who were
[00:40:00.560] earnestly trying to understand this
[00:40:02.320] situation, uh, and what national
[00:40:04.480] security threats um, they might be able
[00:40:06.640] to address with the information
[00:40:08.079] collected here, not just the one, you
[00:40:09.680] know, not in a, you know, okay, UAP, but
[00:40:12.480] really counter UAS kind of mindset, but
[00:40:14.880] really looking into UAP as its own
[00:40:17.760] category and that, you know,
[00:40:19.920] organization has grown. When you come to
[00:40:22.720] ASA and if your case touches on
[00:40:24.720] potential national security or
[00:40:26.640] classified information or even certain,
[00:40:29.359] you know, types of sightings cuz we are
[00:40:31.119] starting to pick up some trends that are
[00:40:33.200] important for national security. We
[00:40:35.119] asked a permission witness and let them
[00:40:37.119] know that you know if they so choose
[00:40:40.400] they can do either a anonymous or you
[00:40:44.160] know or standard interview with the
[00:40:45.839] witness where they there's an ASA rep on
[00:40:47.680] the call and they get the share that
[00:40:49.440] information add it to a data set that's
[00:40:51.119] extremely actionable right now that's
[00:40:52.720] going to Congress uh and it's changing
[00:40:55.040] the conversation. Of course if you come
[00:40:56.880] to ASA and you don't want that
[00:40:58.160] information shared then that's the
[00:40:59.760] default state. So, I don't want people
[00:41:02.000] to fear that um you know, we're just
[00:41:03.920] willy-nilly sending their information,
[00:41:06.000] but I think most people, and you took
[00:41:08.000] this route, chose to pursue that as an
[00:41:10.319] avenue. Uh why'd you do that? Yeah, I
[00:41:13.599] felt personally compelled to, you know,
[00:41:16.079] um like I said, after seeing the hearing
[00:41:18.000] and seeing exactly our government's
[00:41:20.160] representatives capabilities of getting
[00:41:22.480] answers on this, which is almost none,
[00:41:24.800] it really concerned me. That's it was
[00:41:27.359] really concerning to me you know and um
[00:41:30.480] I felt personally compelled uh my own
[00:41:33.200] curiosity you know I feel like we have a
[00:41:35.359] responsibility to address this and we
[00:41:38.079] have the right to know right if indeed
[00:41:41.200] you know we've reverse engineered stuff
[00:41:43.359] or whatever recovered crashes you know
[00:41:46.240] that type of technology you know then
[00:41:48.319] that's that's American treasure right it
[00:41:50.240] belongs to we the people you know and
[00:41:52.160] the people want to know what this is
[00:41:53.920] right
[00:41:54.720] >> so that that's kind of my perspect
[00:41:56.000] perspective on it. Your organization's
[00:41:57.839] been great for this. You know, you you
[00:41:59.359] guys are the ones that put me in contact
[00:42:00.800] with the FBI. You know, you got me the
[00:42:03.359] route to Arrow, even though that didn't
[00:42:05.040] work out. Um, what I will say, um, to
[00:42:07.760] guys coming forward is, you know, the
[00:42:10.400] standard route, you know, Arrow and, you
[00:42:13.440] know, the DoD, they will facilitate a
[00:42:16.960] place where you can talk about the
[00:42:18.319] classified stuff. Now, it's probably
[00:42:21.040] going to get stonewalled. It might be
[00:42:22.720] released. We don't know, but it will be
[00:42:24.560] compiled there. You know what I mean?
[00:42:26.160] And that's in my experience is where it
[00:42:28.240] sat, right? Cuz uh I think Arrow did
[00:42:30.880] confirm that they saw those videos,
[00:42:32.480] right? The FBI, you got me in contact
[00:42:34.880] with them. That was great. You know,
[00:42:36.960] they're doing their own thing. They've
[00:42:38.319] been really serious about the topic, you
[00:42:40.400] know,
[00:42:40.640] >> and they did facilitate and accept the
[00:42:43.200] videos that u that you knew where they
[00:42:46.160] were. I'll say not that you had they
[00:42:47.599] weren't in your possession, right?
[00:42:49.594] [snorts]
[00:42:49.680] >> Um well, good. I'm glad we had a
[00:42:51.200] positive outcome from that. There's a
[00:42:52.720] lot going on right now. Congresswoman
[00:42:54.480] Luna has requested certain videos from
[00:42:56.880] the DoD. Did any of those look familiar?
[00:43:00.480] >> Yes. The list that she just put out um
[00:43:03.200] of ones that are supposedly going to be
[00:43:04.960] in the next drop. One of them the date
[00:43:08.800] and time if the region that she
[00:43:12.640] mentioned, I'm like 99% sure that that
[00:43:16.240] is one of my videos. Yeah, a lot of
[00:43:18.319] those drones, the names like Toxic and
[00:43:21.040] WY, those are in the list. I've I've
[00:43:23.520] watched those drones personally. I'm
[00:43:25.599] familiar with those names, right? Um but
[00:43:28.240] yeah, one of the ones in that list is
[00:43:30.000] I'm pretty sure one of the ones that I
[00:43:31.920] am talking about. Yeah.
[00:43:33.119] >> Yeah. So, I'm excited.
[00:43:34.800] >> Yeah. I mean, how's that feel, right? I
[00:43:36.079] mean, you started, you know, in in this
[00:43:38.400] dark, as I as I imagine, a dark cool
[00:43:41.280] office, you know, somewhere and uh you
[00:43:44.000] see these things, you go through this
[00:43:45.280] process, you report it, and now you see
[00:43:47.119] that, you know, you're some of the
[00:43:49.200] videos that you've been around are now
[00:43:51.200] being requested by members of Congress.
[00:43:52.720] I must feel pretty good. I I hope that
[00:43:54.880] all of them get released, you know, not
[00:43:56.800] just that particular one. I feel like
[00:43:59.280] context can be gained from all the ones
[00:44:01.359] that I've reported. I think it's
[00:44:02.800] important uh that the people see it and
[00:44:05.040] decide for themselves. You know, I want
[00:44:06.560] it in the hands of people to analyze
[00:44:08.160] themselves and tell me like what am I
[00:44:10.720] looking at? You know what I mean? Like
[00:44:12.319] was this
[00:44:12.960] >> what can we learn from it too? Right.
[00:44:14.319] >> Exactly. Right. Yeah. I think it's very
[00:44:15.920] important.
[00:44:16.720] >> Yeah. Now, let's go into a couple side
[00:44:19.440] things. You know, this is such a great
[00:44:22.000] conversation, but I want to remind
[00:44:24.079] people and ask you, you know, if you'll
[00:44:26.480] come back about a week after this airs
[00:44:28.079] and provide our our members at Safe
[00:44:30.079] Aerospace the opportunity to to pick
[00:44:32.160] your brain and ask some questions, uh,
[00:44:33.839] we'd love to have you. Sure. Awesome.
[00:44:35.839] Good. Well, great. So, if you're if
[00:44:37.680] you'd like to be a member, America's
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[00:44:53.200] the questions that you're begging me to
[00:44:55.280] ask right now through the screen. So,
[00:44:57.119] you'll have that opportunity. you know,
[00:44:59.520] why why do you think what you saw is a a
[00:45:02.640] true UAP or something that, you know,
[00:45:05.200] could ultimately be understood to be
[00:45:08.160] something exotic versus perhaps a
[00:45:11.040] adversarial technology that we were
[00:45:13.599] observing? I would say mainly just
[00:45:15.920] because of the the physical appearance
[00:45:17.920] of it as well as the response of our own
[00:45:20.960] assets to it,
[00:45:22.319] >> right? It just didn't seem like if this
[00:45:25.119] was some sort of unknown like classified
[00:45:29.040] program, something we've built that
[00:45:30.640] we're testing out, the location makes no
[00:45:32.880] sense.
[00:45:33.200] >> That's not, [laughter]
[00:45:34.400] >> you know, right in China's backyard,
[00:45:36.621] [snorts] you know, um that that wouldn't
[00:45:38.560] be the place to do that, right? The the
[00:45:40.800] characteristics of it, the location, the
[00:45:43.520] how after the first event, we were
[00:45:45.760] starting to look into it more with other
[00:45:47.200] assets. We clearly prioritized it. you
[00:45:50.079] know, there's there were something's
[00:45:51.839] going on there, you know, that piqu the
[00:45:54.880] interest of the DoD for sure. What what
[00:45:58.400] do you think should be different? I
[00:45:59.440] mean, what do you think should be done
[00:46:00.560] here? Right. So, we've we've provided
[00:46:02.480] data. We've talked a little bit about
[00:46:04.400] there being a centralized location. What
[00:46:07.200] do you think based off of your
[00:46:08.880] experience and perhaps your
[00:46:10.160] understanding of where different data
[00:46:11.680] sets might exist? What do you think
[00:46:13.920] should be done? Hopefully more eyes come
[00:46:17.680] to this the topic especially the people
[00:46:19.920] who are working inside these
[00:46:21.280] environments these classified
[00:46:22.480] environments. I think you should feel
[00:46:24.400] compelled to at least report
[00:46:26.720] >> you know through classified channels and
[00:46:29.200] then just get get it into the hands of
[00:46:31.599] Congress or whoever whatever government
[00:46:33.520] authority is investigating this stuff
[00:46:35.119] for us. You know you know the the folks
[00:46:37.760] that you you worked with did you hear
[00:46:40.400] anything about other you know things
[00:46:42.640] they might have seen that they didn't
[00:46:44.079] mention to you? Do you what what are
[00:46:46.400] your thoughts on other data sets or how
[00:46:48.960] common this is? You know, just what's
[00:46:50.880] the scuttlebutt that you've heard around
[00:46:52.400] this on your own experiences?
[00:46:53.839] >> Right. Um I haven't been in contact with
[00:46:56.000] the guys Becca for a while. I know last
[00:46:58.560] time I did check in with uh one of my
[00:47:00.800] colleagues. He's like, "Yeah, the videos
[00:47:02.160] are still there. You know, they're just
[00:47:04.319] chilling right there. Anyone could come
[00:47:05.760] in and look if they had the clearance."
[00:47:07.359] And you know, so that's why, you know,
[00:47:10.480] coming to you I and knowing that like
[00:47:12.640] Burlson and Luna are looking into this
[00:47:14.400] very seriously, you know, if they wanted
[00:47:17.599] to go view those directly, you know, if
[00:47:20.720] I was set up in a skiff with them to and
[00:47:22.960] authorized to talk about it, I could
[00:47:24.400] tell them the exact information. You
[00:47:26.560] know, it's relatively easy to find. You
[00:47:28.800] know what I mean?
[00:47:29.839] >> So, and that's that's kind of what I
[00:47:31.839] want guys to understand that are working
[00:47:33.440] in the field, too, is that there are
[00:47:35.040] avenues for you to report this. this
[00:47:36.800] will get to the right people and they'll
[00:47:38.640] carry out the investigative work, you
[00:47:40.319] know, cuz I know a lot of guys are uh
[00:47:42.480] scared of like whistleblower protection
[00:47:44.640] and that type of stuff, you know, which
[00:47:46.240] is valid. You know, you have to be
[00:47:48.240] cautious and careful navigating, you
[00:47:50.240] know, the the transfer, the sharing or
[00:47:52.960] the communication of classified
[00:47:54.319] information. Of course,
[00:47:55.599] >> like I mentioned earlier, I've I saw it
[00:47:57.599] on my UVs side. We saved it in our
[00:48:00.000] program folder there at DA. And there's
[00:48:02.400] by now thousands of people have seen
[00:48:04.079] this video,
[00:48:05.040] >> you know, not just our guys at Dissa cuz
[00:48:06.880] on UVDS it shows how many people have
[00:48:08.640] viewed it. Yeah, let's talk. I remember
[00:48:10.400] I was talking about that. I wanted to
[00:48:11.680] address that earlier. Uh but I slipped
[00:48:13.599] past. So you did mention that. Yeah,
[00:48:16.560] there's video counts. I know we've
[00:48:17.839] talked about in the past how you said
[00:48:18.800] these are actually pretty popular
[00:48:20.160] videos. So who else has seen these
[00:48:22.160] videos inside, do you think? How many
[00:48:23.760] people? I don't know. Oh, I guess anyone
[00:48:25.440] on Sipper side that has access to UVDS,
[00:48:27.920] if they were there at the time and uh
[00:48:30.480] just so happened to be browsing through
[00:48:31.920] the highlights, they would have seen it.
[00:48:33.280] >> Do you remember some of the specific
[00:48:34.559] counts on any of the videos? We talking
[00:48:36.400] like 10 or 15 people or Eventually was
[00:48:38.960] in the hundreds by the time I left.
[00:48:40.720] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:41.440] >> So, I've heard that there are large
[00:48:43.440] collections that people have been kind
[00:48:45.920] of chatting about trying to play
[00:48:49.520] Sherlock Holmes on, trying to figure
[00:48:50.880] some of these out. And I think a lot of
[00:48:52.079] these are what we've started to see. I
[00:48:53.920] think the first release are probably
[00:48:55.599] some of the more ambiguous ones
[00:48:57.839] >> um that are part of that collection, but
[00:48:59.760] I understand that there's well over
[00:49:01.280] 10,000 of those, you know, that are just
[00:49:03.440] floating around there. Some of them kind
[00:49:05.680] of combined into a central place, some
[00:49:07.520] of them not. But, you know, that's part
[00:49:09.359] of I think the work that's ahead of us
[00:49:11.599] to is to collate that information, have
[00:49:13.440] real processes, right? We we move a lot
[00:49:15.839] of data in the US military. We can move
[00:49:18.160] this to to understand this problem
[00:49:20.079] better.
[00:49:21.200] >> Well, awesome. This was really
[00:49:22.559] fascinating. Thanks for coming forward.
[00:49:24.480] Thanks for coming to ASOS for trusting
[00:49:25.920] us. I hope it was a a positive result
[00:49:28.720] and it's been a few years, you know,
[00:49:30.240] since we've been working together and
[00:49:31.599] we've been looking forward to to telling
[00:49:33.359] your story. So,
[00:49:33.920] >> it's been a long time coming. It has
[00:49:35.520] been a few years, you know. Yeah.
[00:49:37.280] >> Uh and there's others like you that were
[00:49:38.720] we're excited with this podcast to
[00:49:40.240] finally be able to to get out there and
[00:49:42.000] and show people that, you know, this is
[00:49:44.000] common. This is something that real
[00:49:45.599] people are having issues with and we do
[00:49:47.839] need these processes in place to resolve
[00:49:50.079] it. So, thank you.
[00:49:51.280] >> No problem. Thank you guys uh for
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