Ryan Dean — claimed 2012 Tom DeLonge bookstore conversation + experiencer account (Psicoactivo #930, 24 Mar 2026)

Source: Psicoactivo Podcast, episode #930 (YouTube), host interviewing guest Ryan Dean.
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8_mTq6QxFI (2026-03-24; 1:13:09). The host's framing title: "Tom DeLonge & the convo that may have started the modern UFO Disclosure movement."
Captured: 2026-06-30. YouTube auto-caption transcript (timestamps retained; ASR artifacts — "Tom Dong"=Tom DeLonge, "Lou Alzando"=Lue Elizondo, "Hal Putoff"=Hal Puthoff, "Richard Dodie"=Richard Doty, "Paul Benowit"=Paul Bennewitz, "Insanas"=Encinitas, "Lucadia"=Leucadia, "Bigalow"=Bigelow). Provenance only; analysis: ../../sources/ryan-dean-delonge-bookstore-contactee.

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[00:00:09.280] What's up humans and welcome to a new
[00:00:11.120] sequo. Happy Tuesday everybody. Okay.
[00:00:14.559] So, um I told you a little bit about
[00:00:17.199] this in a previous episode, but um I
[00:00:20.320] decided to go forward with it because um
[00:00:25.039] la last week in one of my episodes about
[00:00:27.279] Matthew Brown, I saw a comment from a
[00:00:29.679] gentleman that initially I thought it
[00:00:32.800] was kind of aggressive. And usually when
[00:00:36.079] I look at comments that seem or sound in
[00:00:39.200] write in written form a little bit
[00:00:41.520] aggressive, I I react differently. Um,
[00:00:44.960] but then I started seeing more comments
[00:00:47.600] from this gentleman in the live stream
[00:00:49.520] that I did on Friday and I realized that
[00:00:53.600] he was talking about very specific
[00:00:55.520] things um about uh contact and about um
[00:01:01.280] meeting Tom Dong and knowing Tom Dong
[00:01:04.960] and that piqu my attention immediately.
[00:01:08.320] So I was the one who decided to ask him
[00:01:11.360] to shoot me an email so we can talk. And
[00:01:14.560] when we started talking um I realized
[00:01:17.680] that what he had to tell uh was a very
[00:01:21.200] important piece of the puzzle. Uh so I
[00:01:24.159] started trying to corroborate the
[00:01:26.240] information that he gave me. Uh
[00:01:28.799] unfortunately my podcast is not big
[00:01:31.200] enough yet uh for me to get the
[00:01:33.439] attention of the person that we're going
[00:01:35.119] to talk about today which is Tom Delong.
[00:01:37.840] Um, but I did corroborate his story with
[00:01:42.240] somebody else who I trust. So that's
[00:01:44.720] what prompted me to ask him to be on the
[00:01:47.439] show and talk about this experience that
[00:01:49.600] he had with Tom Dong. So I want you guys
[00:01:54.320] to please welcome Mr. Ryan Dean to
[00:01:57.360] Siquo. Welcome Ryan. How you got how you
[00:02:00.079] doing man?
[00:02:00.960] >> Good. Doing well. Doing well. Thanks for
[00:02:02.960] having me.
[00:02:04.079] >> Yeah. So, um I want to first let's ask
[00:02:07.439] you uh about your background if you're
[00:02:09.920] okay with that.
[00:02:11.200] >> Um you are from the San Diego area uh
[00:02:15.760] and what is your background?
[00:02:17.280] >> Yeah, Miami originally and I was in San
[00:02:19.120] Diego about 15 years.
[00:02:21.040] >> Yeah. In uh North County there
[00:02:23.200] predominantly.
[00:02:24.959] >> Okay. Um and uh what is your background
[00:02:28.160] in in
[00:02:29.120] >> um my background has always been uh
[00:02:31.120] related to technology. Um, I worked um
[00:02:33.760] out in North County, San Diego. I worked
[00:02:35.760] in the semiconductor industry, uh,
[00:02:39.280] working on microprocessors, PCBs that
[00:02:42.400] would come out in the future. Um, my my
[00:02:45.760] most recent role was, um, I was an
[00:02:47.920] analyst at a major automotive company,
[00:02:51.200] uh, working on electric vehicles,
[00:02:52.640] bringing electric vehicles to market.
[00:02:55.120] >> Okay, cool. And um you when was the time
[00:02:59.360] frame when you were in the Insanas area
[00:03:01.840] which is where Tom Dong is from?
[00:03:04.080] >> Yeah. So I was there uh
[00:03:07.920] until about 2012 and that was when our
[00:03:10.720] encounter was was the 201 time frame.
[00:03:13.680] >> Yeah.
[00:03:14.400] >> Okay. And um what happened? Where did
[00:03:17.680] you guys meet? Uh what was the setting?
[00:03:20.239] Can you take me back there?
[00:03:22.480] >> Yeah. like like many people, I would go
[00:03:24.319] to the bookstore quite frequently and um
[00:03:28.720] I'm assuming it's still there, but at
[00:03:30.400] the time it was uh on the corner of El
[00:03:33.040] Camino Rial and Lucadia Boulevard there
[00:03:35.680] was a Barnes & Nobles there uh big plaza
[00:03:38.959] >> and uh so I was just there one day, you
[00:03:41.519] know, in the magazine section uh looking
[00:03:44.159] around and I wandered over to the uh you
[00:03:46.879] know uh self-improvement or new age
[00:03:49.680] section, I guess some people would call
[00:03:50.879] it at the time. And uh while I was
[00:03:54.080] there, Tom Dong, you know, entered the
[00:03:56.959] the uh the area and we started we struck
[00:04:00.319] up a conversation.
[00:04:01.840] >> Was he on his own just just like that?
[00:04:03.920] >> He was alone.
[00:04:04.480] >> Yeah, he was alone.
[00:04:05.360] >> Okay.
[00:04:06.560] >> And what was that conversation like?
[00:04:08.959] What was the the year in which this
[00:04:10.879] happened? 2012, you say?
[00:04:12.640] >> Yeah, 2012.
[00:04:14.640] >> Okay. It was a great it was a great
[00:04:16.560] conversation. Um it was uh we sat for
[00:04:21.040] approximately 3 hours maybe I would
[00:04:23.680] estimate slightly over three hours. We
[00:04:25.680] actually sat down on the ground um in
[00:04:28.320] the section there and uh kind of swapped
[00:04:31.040] knowledge on uh UFO cases and everything
[00:04:34.160] that was going on at the time, you know.
[00:04:36.639] So,
[00:04:38.240] >> and you you told him about your
[00:04:41.360] experiences, didn't you?
[00:04:43.120] >> Yes. Yeah. He was very interested to
[00:04:45.919] hear and uh for whatever reason I felt
[00:04:49.199] comfortable uh enough to tell him you
[00:04:51.759] know I hadn't told many people at that
[00:04:53.600] time only uh closest friends and family
[00:04:57.040] you know and even then very limited but
[00:05:00.639] you know um seeing his knowledge on the
[00:05:02.880] subject um you know at the time he had
[00:05:05.520] an encyclopedic
[00:05:07.680] knowledge of cases and I was you know
[00:05:10.240] very impressed you know and I said wow
[00:05:12.800] this guy is a you know a serious
[00:05:15.199] researcher and he's obviously somebody
[00:05:17.840] very interested and knowledgeable about
[00:05:20.240] the topic and so I decided to share what
[00:05:23.280] had occurred with me and he was you know
[00:05:25.120] gracious enough to sit and listen and he
[00:05:27.919] shared with me a little bit about what
[00:05:30.080] was motivating him what was driving him
[00:05:32.000] his own personal experiences that he'd
[00:05:34.400] had you know he didn't go too deep into
[00:05:36.479] it but um he said uh you know growing up
[00:05:40.320] when when he was younger up in uh around
[00:05:43.039] LA, Orange County. Uh I guess there was
[00:05:46.000] a big flap. There was a a wave of stuff
[00:05:48.720] that happened, I believe, around the
[00:05:50.080] Topanga Canyon area. And he said that,
[00:05:53.919] >> you know, he was involved to some
[00:05:55.759] degree. It affected him and was driving
[00:05:58.160] his motivation to research this topic so
[00:06:01.199] deeply.
[00:06:02.800] >> Okay. And um um did you guys meet
[00:06:06.479] afterwards at any time or was that the
[00:06:08.880] only time that you met?
[00:06:10.000] >> That was the only time. No, we um
[00:06:12.080] afterwards we made our way over to the
[00:06:13.919] uh coffee bar. They had like a I think
[00:06:16.720] like a Starbucks there, Barnes & Noles
[00:06:18.560] coffee, and we we went over there and
[00:06:20.080] grabbed some coffee, chitchated a little
[00:06:21.680] more, and then said our goodbyes, and
[00:06:24.240] that was it. That was the uh last time
[00:06:26.479] I've seen him or interacted with him.
[00:06:29.919] And did he tell you about what he was
[00:06:33.280] about to do um when like approaching the
[00:06:37.600] intelligence community and start getting
[00:06:40.240] this out more prominently?
[00:06:42.960] >> Yes. Um after our conversation, you
[00:06:46.400] know, near the end of it when it was
[00:06:47.919] wrapping up, um you know, he told me uh
[00:06:52.560] he said, you know, that's it. I've got
[00:06:54.400] to pull on my contacts and I've got to
[00:06:57.039] get in touch with, you know, military
[00:06:59.599] intelligence or I believe he said it was
[00:07:01.840] through his uncle. I I I don't want to
[00:07:04.479] misspeak there, but I believe that's
[00:07:06.080] what he said. Either his father or his
[00:07:07.759] uncle. Somehow he had a connection
[00:07:11.280] uh that would hopefully get him some
[00:07:14.080] access into that into that domain and
[00:07:16.560] get some answers. And what went through
[00:07:19.199] your mind when you started looking at
[00:07:20.960] every everything he started doing and
[00:07:22.880] all the activity?
[00:07:25.360] >> Um I was you know very happy. Um you
[00:07:28.800] know I think he did a uh I think he did
[00:07:30.720] a wonderful service a wonderful job you
[00:07:33.280] know trying to uh get those videos
[00:07:35.520] released um to the stars academy you
[00:07:38.560] know every the big initiative that he
[00:07:40.240] did with you know Hal Putoff and uh
[00:07:42.720] others Lou Alzando. Um I I will say
[00:07:46.479] though that you know at the end of our
[00:07:48.160] conversation you know I had said
[00:07:51.440] explicitly I said
[00:07:53.840] there's a danger here that they might
[00:07:55.759] try to
[00:07:58.080] use you or they might try to confuse you
[00:08:01.840] and we talked about you know the like
[00:08:04.319] the Richard Dodie stuff the Paul Benowit
[00:08:06.479] stuff you know he was very familiar and
[00:08:08.800] he said yeah yeah I know but I I have to
[00:08:10.879] do this anyway. So he he went into that
[00:08:13.919] aware. You know, I see a lot of talk
[00:08:15.520] online that, you know, he's a he's a
[00:08:18.879] fool or he's being used or this or that.
[00:08:20.960] And I just want to make it clear that
[00:08:22.319] that was possibility was discussed ahead
[00:08:24.800] of time, you know.
[00:08:26.639] >> That's very interesting. Um
[00:08:28.879] >> what do you think happened though?
[00:08:30.560] Because after the to the stars academy
[00:08:34.479] uh like endeavor, there's a lot of
[00:08:37.039] people that were I see it in my comments
[00:08:39.599] that were like I invested this much and
[00:08:42.240] I lost money and all this stuff and he
[00:08:44.800] has never really addressed this part of
[00:08:46.480] the whole thing. Um what do you think
[00:08:50.160] might have happened there that that
[00:08:52.080] caused all of this?
[00:08:54.720] >> Uh I think that's still unclear. Um, I
[00:08:57.920] think something similar even happened to
[00:08:59.440] Bigalow, right? He allocated some of his
[00:09:02.959] personal funds and tried to secure, you
[00:09:05.920] know, material and, uh, for whatever
[00:09:08.720] reason it was denied. Um,
[00:09:11.600] >> there was a apparently, you know,
[00:09:13.760] somebody, uh, you know, at the top
[00:09:15.200] level, uh, put the kaibosh on that and,
[00:09:18.000] uh, stopped his efforts. Um, I think I
[00:09:21.040] even heard that they did a backup plan
[00:09:22.560] where they were trying to do, you know,
[00:09:24.800] over at Pax River, they created another
[00:09:27.360] u secure facility in the hopes of uh
[00:09:30.399] obtaining some material and it and it
[00:09:32.080] never came to fruition for whatever
[00:09:34.480] reason. Uh, the powers that be got cold
[00:09:37.040] feet and pulled the plug on that for
[00:09:39.279] now.
[00:09:40.640] >> Yeah. And uh, well, Tom has been uh on
[00:09:43.920] tour most of the time over the last
[00:09:45.839] couple of years or so.
[00:09:47.680] um he hasn't really made any public
[00:09:49.600] appearances at all. Hopefully um this
[00:09:53.519] can draw him out a little bit to maybe
[00:09:55.839] talk about uh what's been going on since
[00:09:58.560] he stopped being so public about it. But
[00:10:01.680] I want to ask you though, um, you shared
[00:10:05.279] some images with me that I would like to
[00:10:08.720] share here because presumably this is
[00:10:10.800] what you talked to to Tom about and I
[00:10:13.440] would like for you to let us know what
[00:10:16.079] that was like, what that experience is
[00:10:19.600] and what changed in you after that
[00:10:22.880] experience. So let's see the first image
[00:10:26.160] which is this one.
[00:10:30.160] So what are we looking at?
[00:10:34.480] >> So um this was an encounter uh that
[00:10:37.920] happened uh in the year 2000 uh
[00:10:40.480] approximately November of the year 2000
[00:10:43.600] uh to me out of the blue. Um just
[00:10:47.920] happened one night you know was having a
[00:10:49.839] normal night and uh next thing you know
[00:10:52.160] it was uh very not normal. Um these
[00:10:55.760] images uh were generated very quickly.
[00:10:59.040] Um so they're not 100% accurate. This is
[00:11:02.480] what the best that I could do right now.
[00:11:04.640] Like for instance uh this female gray
[00:11:08.240] was only approximately 3 and 1/2 to 4
[00:11:10.480] feet tall. Um the beings behind her uh
[00:11:15.360] were further back and they their
[00:11:16.959] appearance was different as well. I
[00:11:18.800] tried to I was arguing with the AI image
[00:11:22.160] generation and it was fighting me every
[00:11:24.240] step of the way. Um I would get one
[00:11:27.040] element correct and then it would change
[00:11:29.120] the appearance, change the clo or would
[00:11:31.920] keep telling me
[00:11:33.440] >> um when I would say you know make these
[00:11:35.279] guys look more reptilian. It would say
[00:11:38.079] we can't show you the image that we
[00:11:39.760] generated over and over again.
[00:11:42.079] >> What?
[00:11:42.320] >> And I took screenshots of all that. And
[00:11:44.560] it even went further than that because I
[00:11:46.240] I uh tried to work on this with my
[00:11:48.240] brother and um I tried to send him the
[00:11:51.360] images and I could not even send him the
[00:11:53.120] images through Gmail. It's the first
[00:11:54.640] time that's ever happened. Um it said on
[00:11:58.079] my end that it was sent and then they
[00:11:59.760] would not go through. Um make of that
[00:12:02.959] what you will, but uh I thought it was
[00:12:05.360] very unusual. You know, we don't ever
[00:12:07.279] >> very strange.
[00:12:08.160] >> We don't ever have problems sending
[00:12:09.600] images. Um, so, um, these images are not
[00:12:13.760] I I'm going to work on them further and
[00:12:15.519] make it more accurate. For me, it's
[00:12:19.040] therapeutic. I know it sounds strange,
[00:12:20.880] but it's a bit cathartic. It's a bit
[00:12:23.680] therapeutic to
[00:12:25.839] go back to the moment finally after, you
[00:12:28.000] know, 26 years and um, try to see it,
[00:12:31.760] try to reconcile with it. I feel better
[00:12:35.440] as I get closer to uh envisioning uh the
[00:12:38.959] scenario again for whatever.
[00:12:41.360] >> What was that um initial
[00:12:44.560] uh sign that something was weird? Where
[00:12:47.920] were you located in the year 2000? Uh uh
[00:12:51.760] what was the setting like? How did it
[00:12:54.000] start? All of that.
[00:12:55.279] >> Yeah. So So I I don't know. Um, I was in
[00:13:00.000] that evening, um, I was in Hollywood,
[00:13:03.200] Florida,
[00:13:04.800] um, with my, uh, girlfriend at the time
[00:13:07.519] and her family. Um, we had dinner, we
[00:13:10.480] went home,
[00:13:12.320] uh, went to sleep, thought, you know,
[00:13:15.839] completely normal. And, uh, next thing
[00:13:18.720] you know, I'm transported somewhere else
[00:13:22.800] and woken up. And I come awake and
[00:13:26.560] there's a craft, you know, gliding in
[00:13:28.880] above my head. And I see to my right, I
[00:13:33.120] see two people u sleepwalking
[00:13:37.680] and um it's difficult to describe.
[00:13:41.680] There's a lot of detail here, but the um
[00:13:45.120] there was like a birectional link with
[00:13:48.079] this female gray on the craft.
[00:13:52.079] And she was telling me because I was
[00:13:53.920] looking up at this thing gliding in over
[00:13:55.519] my head and I thought, "Oh you
[00:13:58.320] know, this is bad." You know, this I
[00:14:00.720] felt a a deep hum in my body, a big, you
[00:14:03.600] know, vibration. And I thought, you
[00:14:05.760] know, I was familiar with, you know,
[00:14:09.040] F-17, you know, B2 Stealth. I was
[00:14:11.760] familiar with all the crafts and what I
[00:14:14.959] saw was so far beyond
[00:14:18.800] uh any of that. And it was morphing. It
[00:14:21.839] was changing its shape as it was gliding
[00:14:23.680] in and I just I immediately thought, "Oh
[00:14:27.760] no, this is very bad." And I got in
[00:14:30.480] front of the two people that were with
[00:14:32.240] me and I tried to stop them. I was uh
[00:14:35.920] extremely frightened and I was in front
[00:14:38.399] of them and they were larger than me. I
[00:14:40.000] was a bit smaller. We were teenagers,
[00:14:41.839] you know, and uh I was trying to stop
[00:14:44.160] them and I couldn't. I I I was about to
[00:14:46.720] punch them in the face uh because they
[00:14:49.360] wouldn't stop moving forward uh towards
[00:14:52.399] this craft that was landing on the side
[00:14:54.079] of the road. Um so I was uh it was an
[00:14:58.560] extremely frightening experience to
[00:15:00.560] start with. Um
[00:15:01.519] >> these other two people, you didn't know
[00:15:03.199] them at all, right? You just saw them
[00:15:04.880] there.
[00:15:05.360] >> No, I did. I'm not
[00:15:07.199] >> I'm not outing them. Um there's
[00:15:09.680] approximately seven people that were
[00:15:11.440] also there uh with me in this experience
[00:15:15.279] and you know they've all got um high
[00:15:18.000] level you know careers high level
[00:15:19.760] positions and it's not um fair for me to
[00:15:25.199] out them you know
[00:15:26.959] >> do these people ha have recollection of
[00:15:30.240] what happened as well
[00:15:33.600] >> we we talk about it occasionally in a
[00:15:36.000] light way and they are are starting to
[00:15:38.480] uh warm up to the topic, become curious
[00:15:41.279] about it. Um
[00:15:44.720] the we were separated and I don't know
[00:15:48.160] exactly what occurred to them and I I
[00:15:50.480] don't even fully know what occurred to
[00:15:52.720] me. I have a period of uh missing time
[00:15:56.240] um where there's a sudden jump
[00:15:58.880] >> uh between being pulled on board their
[00:16:01.120] ship and being um exited off of the
[00:16:05.759] ship. Um there's there's a big chunk of
[00:16:09.040] missing time there. I think I know what
[00:16:10.800] happened now. The memories resurfaced uh
[00:16:14.160] years later, but it's not part of my
[00:16:17.600] initial conscious recall. I try to keep
[00:16:20.240] it very limited to what I consciously
[00:16:24.320] recall in a very visceral way. I don't I
[00:16:27.759] don't like to go and
[00:16:30.000] >> I think it's more important I think it's
[00:16:32.320] more of service to people to keep it to
[00:16:36.480] the facts of what happened. Um it's a
[00:16:39.759] big mystery. I've never been able to
[00:16:41.920] figure it out. Um a lot of it doesn't
[00:16:44.959] seem to make sense. I I believe that
[00:16:46.800] they do that on purpose. Um but I've you
[00:16:50.959] know I've shared this with people over
[00:16:52.320] the years. There is almost never a
[00:16:54.959] minute of my life where I'm not thinking
[00:16:57.199] about it. Um it is I you could say um I
[00:17:01.680] actually would admit that I have a kind
[00:17:04.160] of a form of PTSD from the things.
[00:17:08.000] >> Um which is something that I need to you
[00:17:11.360] know grapple with.
[00:17:13.439] >> Yeah. Have you ever gone to therapy to
[00:17:15.679] talk about it with with a professional?
[00:17:17.520] >> No. No, I haven't. And I haven't done
[00:17:19.439] any um you know hypnotic regression or
[00:17:22.079] anything like that either. So um part of
[00:17:25.839] me
[00:17:27.360] is a bit afraid to uh remember uh
[00:17:31.600] exactly what occurred.
[00:17:33.840] Um and and also I didn't want to uh
[00:17:36.799] discredit the situation by doing so
[00:17:39.360] because people always say oh you know
[00:17:40.880] you went under hypnosis you were
[00:17:42.400] suggested and this and that happened.
[00:17:44.640] This is a conscious recall like this on
[00:17:47.679] the night of I had full immediate recall
[00:17:51.280] of everything that happened when they
[00:17:52.640] dumped me back in my bed. You know, I
[00:17:55.600] immediately,
[00:17:57.280] you know, had full uh 100% recall of
[00:18:00.559] exactly what happened.
[00:18:01.919] >> Do you remember how much time was the
[00:18:03.919] lost time?
[00:18:06.400] >> I speculate that it was several hours.
[00:18:09.440] Um because I believe I have reason to
[00:18:12.400] think that the incident started at
[00:18:14.160] around, you know, 2:00, 3:00 in the
[00:18:16.160] morning and then I was uh put back in
[00:18:18.880] the room at about um 6:00 a.m.
[00:18:23.200] >> Whoa, that's wild.
[00:18:26.000] >> And it came out later. the memories
[00:18:28.080] started to come back to me um in the
[00:18:32.640] years later I started to recall um what
[00:18:35.679] happened on the ship which is that um I
[00:18:39.440] was seated in front of a terminal like a
[00:18:41.840] a big glass terminal what I call a
[00:18:44.640] stelle because if you see that shape
[00:18:46.720] from Egypt to stelle
[00:18:50.240] um that uh I was seated in front of a
[00:18:52.480] glass terminal and the room was
[00:18:55.520] extremely dark you couldn't see
[00:18:56.880] anything. And there was a all of a
[00:18:59.360] sudden in front of me there was a blue
[00:19:01.280] flash like a welding spark.
[00:19:04.240] And they said, "Trace along with this
[00:19:07.120] with your finger." And it started to do
[00:19:09.600] a little loop and then a a movement, a
[00:19:12.320] curve. And they were telling me that,
[00:19:15.440] you know, this curve is extremely
[00:19:17.919] important. You need to watch this and
[00:19:19.440] trace it with your finger to begin with.
[00:19:22.160] So I started doing that. And then they
[00:19:24.160] said, "Okay, now just do it with your
[00:19:26.400] mind. Just follow it with your mind."
[00:19:29.039] And so it was showing me these uh like
[00:19:31.440] sigils, I'll say. And they and I and
[00:19:35.200] they said, you know, "Do you know what
[00:19:36.480] this is?" And I said, "It looks like a
[00:19:39.360] living language of light." And they
[00:19:42.799] seemed pretty happy. And they were like,
[00:19:44.160] "Yes, exactly. That's exactly what it
[00:19:46.400] is."
[00:19:47.440] And um then when they taught me the
[00:19:51.039] fundamentals of this language,
[00:19:54.400] they the screen then all of a sudden
[00:19:56.880] turned into four quadrants like what we
[00:20:00.000] would call the complex domain. Um you
[00:20:02.880] know an imaginary real and in each of
[00:20:05.600] the quadrants the information started
[00:20:08.559] coming at a really rapid rate. like it's
[00:20:11.200] it's a way for them to get compressed
[00:20:14.320] information into you uh very quickly. So
[00:20:18.240] that's what what occurred on the ship.
[00:20:21.280] >> Have you ever heard about this Enochian
[00:20:24.880] uh language?
[00:20:26.480] >> Yes. Yes, I have. And and that was one
[00:20:29.120] of the reasons why I was um so keen to
[00:20:32.320] hear what Matthew Brown has to say is
[00:20:34.799] because you know these um this
[00:20:37.760] experience uh
[00:20:40.559] obviously has a lot of parallels with um
[00:20:43.600] shamanic uh traditions initiation.
[00:20:48.000] Um the beings themselves they had what I
[00:20:50.320] call rods or staffs. Um you've probably
[00:20:54.159] heard of that also from the Hollowman
[00:20:56.240] case. You know whether that's true or
[00:20:58.080] not I don't know but in my case the
[00:21:00.799] beings did have rods and they did use
[00:21:03.360] them uh for various functions you know
[00:21:05.679] to modulate and control our lucidity. Um
[00:21:10.559] I had to argue with them about that uh
[00:21:12.880] to give me more access to my own
[00:21:16.000] faculties uh because they were uh had us
[00:21:19.039] regulated uh the group that I was with.
[00:21:22.559] Um at one point um they used the rod uh
[00:21:26.559] like standing there as you see in that
[00:21:28.080] image. I tried to leave after I had
[00:21:30.720] completed the task that they had asked
[00:21:32.240] me to do, which was to pick up this gray
[00:21:35.760] and to take her inside to meet somebody,
[00:21:38.880] a a highle uh cobalist and artist. After
[00:21:42.799] that encounter and I put her back on the
[00:21:44.400] ship, I tried to walk away with my two
[00:21:48.960] uh close friends. I'll call them
[00:21:51.120] friends. I tried to walk away back into
[00:21:54.720] the orange grove. I said, you know, hey,
[00:21:56.159] we did what you wanted. we're we're out
[00:21:57.840] of here, you know, and they said, you
[00:22:00.080] know, we want to show you something. And
[00:22:02.400] I said, "No, no, I'm okay. Thank you."
[00:22:04.320] You know, we we I was trying to leave,
[00:22:06.480] you know, this and this is all mental.
[00:22:07.919] This is all in the head.
[00:22:09.440] >> Yeah.
[00:22:09.840] >> And they said, "Uh, we really must
[00:22:11.840] insist." And they held out their rod and
[00:22:15.280] they lifted me off the ground about 20
[00:22:18.000] feet off the ground. I was up in the
[00:22:20.240] air. And the only thing I can describe
[00:22:24.400] it is uh molecular disintegration.
[00:22:29.200] Um I every everything for me turned
[00:22:31.440] white. I passed out,
[00:22:33.760] you know, uh at that moment. Um
[00:22:37.520] so
[00:22:37.840] >> and that's when you lost time.
[00:22:41.120] >> Yes.
[00:22:41.440] >> That's the last thing you remember.
[00:22:43.200] Okay.
[00:22:43.840] >> Well, no, not the last thing I remember.
[00:22:45.520] The next thing I remember, I'm sitting
[00:22:48.480] on um a chair in a round room and um I'm
[00:22:52.799] being gently woken up, you know, they're
[00:22:55.280] saying, "Okay, you know, time time to
[00:22:58.240] come to, you know, kind of touching my
[00:23:00.880] shoulder or whatever." And I'm kind of
[00:23:03.919] coming to and they're telling me, you
[00:23:05.600] know, don't don't turn around. You'll be
[00:23:08.000] afraid. You'll you'll freak out again.
[00:23:10.799] So, don't turn around.
[00:23:12.960] And um I was asking them, you know, for
[00:23:17.200] some reason I and this part is really
[00:23:19.440] baffling to me. Um
[00:23:23.120] the encounter started off so uh hostile,
[00:23:28.640] I would say, very charged, very
[00:23:31.039] aggressive,
[00:23:32.880] um not pleasant, and then when I woke
[00:23:35.840] up, everything was extremely pleasant.
[00:23:39.520] They were treating me like I was family.
[00:23:42.720] Um they were being very kind, very
[00:23:45.679] gentle. They were saying and I and my
[00:23:48.640] whole demeanor toward them inexplicably
[00:23:51.039] changed. I was saying, you know, uh why
[00:23:54.400] do I have to go? When am I going to see
[00:23:56.799] you guys again?
[00:23:58.640] >> You know, how do I know that I'm not
[00:24:00.400] crazy? How do I know that this is real?
[00:24:02.159] What, you know, what the hell is going
[00:24:03.600] on here? you know, and uh they were
[00:24:06.559] telling me, you know, you you know
[00:24:08.240] everything you need to know. You have
[00:24:10.000] you know, you know what to do. Don't
[00:24:12.480] worry, and uh you're going to see us
[00:24:14.559] once more in this lifetime.
[00:24:17.440] Um I thought that was uh very odd. Um
[00:24:22.080] and I had asked them, you know, how do I
[00:24:23.919] know that this experience is real? How
[00:24:25.279] do I know that I'm not crazy? And then
[00:24:26.720] they told me um a few things about the
[00:24:30.640] future uh the near future um to so I
[00:24:34.960] could maintain some sanity you know um
[00:24:39.600] and uh f the last thing that they told
[00:24:41.840] me um was um don't tell anybody about
[00:24:45.200] this don't talk about this
[00:24:47.679] >> that nobody's going to believe you
[00:24:51.360] um and things will get the more people
[00:24:53.520] that you tell the worse things are going
[00:24:55.760] to get for you.
[00:24:58.000] >> Oh wow.
[00:24:59.200] >> Yeah.
[00:24:59.600] >> And um
[00:25:02.320] having being said that to your face
[00:25:07.200] >> um
[00:25:08.799] what do you think about like having this
[00:25:11.039] conversation for example? Um do you not
[00:25:15.120] like fear what they told you by having a
[00:25:18.400] conversation like this one?
[00:25:20.640] >> I feel I feel like it's 26 years later.
[00:25:25.039] Um, I feel like, uh, the world is in a,
[00:25:29.520] um, pretty precarious state right now.
[00:25:33.200] Um, I feel like some of the things that,
[00:25:36.559] you know, Matthew Brown alluded to, you
[00:25:38.640] know, this, um, you know, Inkian magic,
[00:25:42.240] as you say, this language, um, these
[00:25:45.440] protocols for contacting these beings,
[00:25:48.159] um, their interaction with our lives,
[00:25:50.960] um, his statement, you know, God is
[00:25:52.480] real. I think, you know, to put that out
[00:25:55.679] there, I think that
[00:25:57.919] there really needs to be some answers.
[00:25:59.520] You know, is this your own personal
[00:26:02.159] studies or did you see something that
[00:26:05.919] confirms this in the government
[00:26:07.440] documents? What led you to link these
[00:26:10.000] two things together? And I think that
[00:26:12.320] that is um of the utmost importance. You
[00:26:16.000] know, I u you know, the people are
[00:26:19.840] looking for answers. I I've had several
[00:26:22.799] young people recently and their parents
[00:26:26.240] um concerned, you know, they say their
[00:26:28.559] kids are losing their minds, they're
[00:26:30.960] stressing out, they're freaking out
[00:26:33.600] about the situation in the world and the
[00:26:35.200] UFO topic and they're just um going a
[00:26:38.320] bit crazy, you know, and I think that
[00:26:41.360] it's important to uh come forward and
[00:26:44.720] begin to share what what I know and what
[00:26:46.960] I experienced. And, you know, it's
[00:26:48.720] different for me. I've, as rough as it
[00:26:51.120] was, I've had 26 years to digest this.
[00:26:54.960] And yeah, I I feel um I I feel concerned
[00:26:59.039] for people
[00:27:00.400] >> who are this is all coming at them
[00:27:03.440] really really fast, maybe too fast, you
[00:27:05.760] know, and I I think that they're
[00:27:06.960] freaking out. And I I
[00:27:10.799] you know, it is a it is an extremely
[00:27:12.799] harrowing experience.
[00:27:15.120] Um I you know, I didn't even describe
[00:27:17.840] the full experience to you. There's
[00:27:19.279] there's more, you know, like when I
[00:27:21.360] encountered the gray and the things she
[00:27:23.120] said to me and we we did, you know, as
[00:27:26.159] the image shows, um we did go eyeball to
[00:27:29.360] eyeball um she instructed me to do that.
[00:27:32.559] I became entranced. I um I fell into her
[00:27:36.640] eyes into the black and I saw stars
[00:27:38.559] everywhere and kind of lost myself for a
[00:27:40.320] minute. you know, there there's a a
[00:27:43.200] really a lot to this um to this topic
[00:27:47.120] and it seems to connect with the occult
[00:27:50.080] and astrology and I I um I just hope
[00:27:54.159] that everybody's being safe and they're
[00:27:56.559] maintaining their sanity. You know, it's
[00:27:59.520] good to investigate, it's good to
[00:28:01.120] research, but sometimes you need to take
[00:28:02.559] a break. You know, you need to u take
[00:28:05.600] walks in nature. You know, you know, we
[00:28:08.159] still have to live our lives, right? you
[00:28:09.679] still have to go about your day and do
[00:28:11.760] everything that's required of you. And
[00:28:14.399] on the other hand, this topic is real.
[00:28:16.640] You know, um our reality is uh more
[00:28:20.159] complex than we've been led to believe.
[00:28:23.440] And it's important that people know that
[00:28:25.039] and and begin entertaining
[00:28:28.480] uh these topics and investigating.
[00:28:31.200] Something that did call my attention was
[00:28:33.200] that uh I don't know if you saw the Jake
[00:28:36.000] Barber interview where he stated that
[00:28:38.399] when he was picking up that eight gun,
[00:28:40.720] he felt this overwhelming sensation of
[00:28:43.120] like unconditional love and and it
[00:28:46.240] reminds me of your experience after um
[00:28:49.840] when you felt like you didn't want to
[00:28:52.080] leave and you felt like you were being
[00:28:54.559] treated like family. I wonder uh because
[00:28:58.240] John Ke and Jacqu Valet write about this
[00:29:00.720] quite a bit that the phenomenon does
[00:29:02.640] play with human perception and it has
[00:29:05.039] played with human perception for
[00:29:07.200] millennia. Um have you ever wondered if
[00:29:10.640] this uh sensation or feeling that you
[00:29:13.679] were being treated like family and that
[00:29:15.520] everything was okay? Have you ever had
[00:29:18.320] the sense that this might be part of
[00:29:21.360] like a manipulation that they do or sort
[00:29:24.000] of like a they like being dosed with
[00:29:28.000] something that uh brings down your
[00:29:30.480] defenses?
[00:29:32.399] >> Uh yes. Yes, I catch your point. Um I've
[00:29:36.559] I've um you know when I've uh a few
[00:29:38.960] years ago I shared this story on Reddit
[00:29:41.200] and people were uh very you know very uh
[00:29:46.960] It it really made an impression on them.
[00:29:48.559] I got a lot of comments back like, "Holy
[00:29:50.559] shit," you know, cuz I went into great
[00:29:52.000] detail and I connected it to the John D
[00:29:54.480] stuff, the Anokei and all that even
[00:29:56.080] eight years ago.
[00:29:58.000] And um I'm also aware of that from cases
[00:30:01.520] that they seem to have the ability to
[00:30:03.520] induce or modulate your mood and your
[00:30:06.880] attitude towards them through through
[00:30:09.039] their eyes specifically. They're like
[00:30:11.120] tractor beams, you know, and um or by
[00:30:14.240] touching you. they seem to have the
[00:30:15.520] ability to uh rapidly change your
[00:30:18.640] demeanor and uh you know people even
[00:30:21.200] said at the time they said maybe you
[00:30:22.559] have a kind of Stockholm syndrome which
[00:30:25.600] uh could be true. Um
[00:30:28.480] you know um
[00:30:31.360] it it's hard to say uh what's occurring
[00:30:34.480] there exactly. I have my own theories
[00:30:36.720] you know after studying this for so
[00:30:38.240] long. Um, I think I uh I I touched upon
[00:30:41.679] this briefly with you that anytime you
[00:30:44.320] have a play, you have stage hands,
[00:30:46.559] right? You have people dressed in all
[00:30:48.000] black that are moving things around
[00:30:50.399] behind the scenes,
[00:30:52.559] right? And if and if our reality is so
[00:30:55.360] complex,
[00:30:57.840] right? If if if what whatever you
[00:31:00.799] believe, let's say there's a creator or
[00:31:03.039] however you think of the universe and
[00:31:05.600] there are intermediaries, um there would
[00:31:09.120] need to be some logistical support to
[00:31:13.760] make some things happen, right? And
[00:31:16.399] maybe that's what we're looking at.
[00:31:18.000] Maybe we're looking at the stage hands,
[00:31:20.960] the logistical support behind our
[00:31:23.200] reality, right? who uh tries to
[00:31:26.880] intervene as little as possible, but
[00:31:29.360] sometimes it's unavoidable or they need
[00:31:31.360] to make a little tweak here and there
[00:31:33.840] and they do. So,
[00:31:37.440] >> and this is the experience that you
[00:31:39.200] spoke to Tom about.
[00:31:41.679] >> Uh, one of them we we I've had um it's
[00:31:45.039] strange. I've always been a very um
[00:31:47.200] button-down um rational scientific
[00:31:50.399] individual.
[00:31:51.919] Um, but beginning around this time, I
[00:31:54.720] did start to have some uh paranormal
[00:31:58.080] experiences. Um, this isn't the only
[00:32:00.640] one. Um,
[00:32:03.919] you know, I would I can't pretend like
[00:32:06.799] they didn't happen. I can't believe that
[00:32:08.720] I can't pretend that, you know, they
[00:32:10.720] didn't have a a massive effect on my own
[00:32:14.880] belief system because they have. And it
[00:32:16.720] all seems to tie together um into a
[00:32:20.240] larger picture.
[00:32:21.679] Um, it's probably too much to, you know,
[00:32:25.360] go into here right now. Um, but it it
[00:32:28.960] involves everything and all of the, uh,
[00:32:32.399] tropes that you're used to hearing. I've
[00:32:34.799] had brush I've had brushes against all
[00:32:37.760] of that. And it all seems to connect
[00:32:40.559] um, in some ineffable way. You know,
[00:32:43.120] this is what everybody's digging for and
[00:32:44.799] trying to get to the bottom of. Um, but
[00:32:47.200] I would be lying if I said that, you
[00:32:49.600] know, these experiences didn't happen to
[00:32:52.240] me. So,
[00:32:54.320] >> how did it change your belief system?
[00:32:56.640] Uh, what was your belief system before
[00:32:59.440] and how did it changed it after?
[00:33:03.519] >> Um, I would say that I was a um I was a
[00:33:06.720] very scientific materialist um atheist
[00:33:12.720] um prior to these experiences. and then
[00:33:16.880] grappling with them, wrestling with
[00:33:18.399] them, ruminating on them, thinking about
[00:33:21.039] them so much. Um, it really uh opened me
[00:33:24.640] up and and changed my worldview. you
[00:33:26.720] know, I um the night when this encounter
[00:33:30.320] occurred, I uh
[00:33:33.039] I didn't I didn't believe um I I thought
[00:33:36.320] for sure there's intelligent life in the
[00:33:38.000] universe, but I I was under the
[00:33:39.919] impression, you know, from reading
[00:33:41.279] Einstein and speed of light and you
[00:33:43.760] know, all of that that point care I was
[00:33:46.399] thinking that they cannot get here,
[00:33:48.559] right? That's what we're always told is
[00:33:50.240] that the the distances are too vast.
[00:33:52.320] They cannot get here. And so when I was
[00:33:56.000] confronted um face to face suddenly
[00:34:00.159] um my my brain was shutting down
[00:34:03.679] actually I could not process
[00:34:06.320] um in the moment I was having a lot of
[00:34:08.240] difficulty
[00:34:09.919] um the experience was kinetic you know
[00:34:12.960] it was relentless it it was in movement
[00:34:15.280] the whole time like they had an agenda
[00:34:16.960] it was very they kept uh moving the
[00:34:20.800] whole time like they
[00:34:23.760] had clearly defined objectives and
[00:34:25.679] things that they were trying to
[00:34:26.639] accomplish that night and I was along
[00:34:28.720] for the ride whether you wanted to or
[00:34:31.599] not. So, I had to get it together really
[00:34:34.240] quick. But it was my brain kept shutting
[00:34:37.599] down and like rebooting and I would say,
[00:34:41.839] you know, this can't be happening. This
[00:34:44.240] can't, you know, I was literally
[00:34:45.359] grabbing the skin on my arm and I kept
[00:34:47.760] saying, you know, wake up, wake up. This
[00:34:50.240] can't be happening. This can't be real.
[00:34:52.480] this has to stop. You know, it was uh
[00:34:55.599] freaking me out really bad. And uh I I I
[00:35:00.000] don't I don't know if I was like
[00:35:02.000] slapping myself or what, but I was
[00:35:03.839] trying to stop the experience and uh it
[00:35:07.760] was very hard to process in the moment.
[00:35:10.720] >> Presumably, these beings um because of
[00:35:13.760] what you told me, they told you, and
[00:35:16.160] this happened also to Dr. Michael
[00:35:17.920] Masters for example that he says that
[00:35:20.560] they implanted a memory in him that he
[00:35:23.200] doesn't remember but they told him that
[00:35:25.520] when the time came he would. It seems
[00:35:28.400] like something similar happened to you.
[00:35:30.320] So my question is have you ever looked
[00:35:33.280] into Dr. Michael Master's
[00:35:34.960] extraterrestrial model theory and what
[00:35:38.240] do you think about this future human
[00:35:40.160] hypothesis?
[00:35:42.720] I saw um one of his uh early interviews
[00:35:46.240] when he came out and unfortunately I've
[00:35:47.839] just not had the time to you know dive
[00:35:50.240] in uh deeply into what he's saying. Um,
[00:35:54.160] I will say that my um
[00:35:57.599] my initial intuitive uh impression as
[00:36:01.280] this event was unfolding was
[00:36:05.520] that
[00:36:07.119] oh my god, you know, these are beings
[00:36:08.720] from the future and they're
[00:36:12.160] coming back to a fork, a critical fork
[00:36:15.839] in time. they're trying to
[00:36:19.359] tamper with or meddle with this critical
[00:36:22.800] juncture is is the impression that I
[00:36:26.079] got. Uh that was my initial intuitive um
[00:36:30.560] understanding was that they had gone so
[00:36:33.520] far
[00:36:35.200] in the materialist direction you know
[00:36:37.119] ultimate technology ultimate you know uh
[00:36:40.560] rationality that they had hit hit kind
[00:36:43.359] of like an evolutionary dead end
[00:36:45.920] >> and they were coming back to us at a
[00:36:47.920] time when
[00:36:49.359] >> we're about to lose our balance right
[00:36:51.680] between let's say the head and the heart
[00:36:54.800] or or the mind you know we're
[00:36:57.280] >> we're kind of about to go in that
[00:36:59.520] direction as well down the same path
[00:37:01.599] that they already have been down.
[00:37:05.280] >> So I that that was what I felt
[00:37:08.079] intuitively at the time.
[00:37:10.240] >> Has that changed over time?
[00:37:14.800] >> Um it's very complex. It's very complex.
[00:37:18.720] I um I at this point I can't even rule
[00:37:23.359] out the possibility. You know, everybody
[00:37:24.800] always says, you know, these are demons,
[00:37:26.960] these are angels, whatever. At at this
[00:37:29.599] point, I I can't even rule out that
[00:37:31.440] possibility. I
[00:37:33.440] >> I just be so I I know that, you know,
[00:37:36.960] that's, you know, everybody has their
[00:37:39.040] own belief systems or this or that. And
[00:37:40.800] I myself, I'm not a religious person,
[00:37:42.800] you know, um but I have had an
[00:37:45.920] experience with um you know, the big G
[00:37:49.119] or the creator, whatever you want to
[00:37:50.560] call it. Um I'd be lying if I said that
[00:37:52.720] I didn't. Um,
[00:37:54.800] and
[00:37:57.040] for all I know, uh, these could be, uh,
[00:37:59.200] his minions or his, uh, intermediaries,
[00:38:02.800] or it could be that, um, and this is
[00:38:05.839] something I've contemplated as well, is
[00:38:07.839] that maybe they're trying to provoke a
[00:38:10.400] reaction, right?
[00:38:12.720] >> As we see many people here on this
[00:38:14.960] planet apparently doing, they're
[00:38:17.440] treating uh, our world as an experiment.
[00:38:20.880] And let's say they're trying to uh get
[00:38:23.359] the they're trying to provoke a
[00:38:25.440] reaction,
[00:38:27.040] right?
[00:38:28.560] Uh you can make of that what you will,
[00:38:31.200] but um they could be trying to penetrate
[00:38:35.520] into a place where they're not supposed
[00:38:37.359] to go or can't get access to.
[00:38:41.200] >> Yeah.
[00:38:41.760] >> So,
[00:38:42.160] >> what did you think about what did you
[00:38:43.839] think about Tom's ideas about the old
[00:38:46.720] gods and the ancient gods? because he
[00:38:49.119] talked about that quite a bit before the
[00:38:52.240] 2017 Joe Rogan experience interview. He
[00:38:55.520] spoke about it with Jimmy Church, with
[00:38:57.280] Linda Molton Hal, with George Knap. Um,
[00:39:00.560] have you ever like explored that avenue
[00:39:03.440] that Tom seemed to have explored quite
[00:39:05.920] extensively?
[00:39:08.000] >> I think I I think I came across a book I
[00:39:10.480] believe it was Jeffrey Krile.
[00:39:13.280] >> Yeah. and uh you know and you're
[00:39:14.800] familiar with also with uh Diane Pasoka.
[00:39:18.400] >> Yes.
[00:39:18.720] >> And you know they've talked about this
[00:39:20.960] um
[00:39:22.800] there it seems to be at the highest
[00:39:25.359] levels of you know the elites or
[00:39:28.640] intelligence agencies or whatever that
[00:39:31.520] they have some knowledge that there is
[00:39:34.160] some truth to uh those stories that it's
[00:39:37.839] it's you know we call it mythology right
[00:39:40.560] we call it an ancient mythology.
[00:39:43.520] And it seems to be that they don't
[00:39:47.599] believe that necessarily that it's just
[00:39:51.040] mythology. And um you know in my own
[00:39:54.800] encounter here you know these beings
[00:39:57.040] they were wearing cloaks right like
[00:40:00.560] magician's clo you know the collars were
[00:40:02.240] pointed up they had these rods that they
[00:40:05.520] were using you know they were telling me
[00:40:08.480] things that I didn't know concepts I was
[00:40:10.720] not familiar with like uh you know
[00:40:15.119] their craft was warping in the center
[00:40:17.040] there where that bubble is you see
[00:40:19.760] >> and it appeared
[00:40:22.000] There what? What was actually there?
[00:40:23.920] This is image is not correct but there
[00:40:26.240] were actually animals in cages there.
[00:40:29.119] >> What?
[00:40:30.079] >> Yes, there were um animals in cages and
[00:40:33.200] they looked uh pretty freaked out,
[00:40:34.720] pretty panicked and they were warping.
[00:40:37.040] They were distorting outward. There was
[00:40:38.720] a bulge and it was distorting outwards
[00:40:42.000] and the the craft was as large as it
[00:40:45.119] was. It was larger on the inside than on
[00:40:48.720] the outside.
[00:40:50.000] >> We've heard that before. Yes. And and
[00:40:52.320] and I will I have been saying it from
[00:40:55.040] the beginning and I've been researching
[00:40:57.920] um higher dimensions applied
[00:41:00.640] engineering. How can this take place?
[00:41:02.640] You know, reading Rudy Rucker and all of
[00:41:04.800] that. I wanted to understand, you know,
[00:41:07.040] what how can this possibly be, you know,
[00:41:11.839] and um I think that that's u probably a
[00:41:16.240] likely doorway or an answer to uh many
[00:41:19.040] of these questions, right? is is higher
[00:41:21.280] dimensional geometry. You know most
[00:41:23.520] people are familiar they think that four
[00:41:25.920] dimension uh means time but actually
[00:41:29.040] there is four-dimensional geometry that
[00:41:33.040] needs to be investigated or
[00:41:34.480] five-dimensional spaces. And it could be
[00:41:38.400] that these beings have an ability maybe
[00:41:40.400] through their craft they have an ability
[00:41:42.640] to
[00:41:44.160] apply engineering
[00:41:46.079] and manipulate dimensions. It could be
[00:41:48.800] interdimensional.
[00:41:50.400] Um there's things that point to that.
[00:41:55.119] >> So
[00:41:56.240] >> interesting.
[00:41:56.800] >> It's a it's a very very deep topic.
[00:41:58.960] Yeah.
[00:41:59.680] >> Yeah. And what have you um come up with
[00:42:04.000] in terms of what these uh beings might
[00:42:06.480] be or uh because you said in uh at the
[00:42:09.839] beginning of of your account, you said
[00:42:12.480] that you wanted to draw them as
[00:42:14.400] reptilians. That's interesting. um what
[00:42:18.319] have you uh come up with in in two
[00:42:21.119] decades or nearly three?
[00:42:23.440] >> Yeah. So, I will say that the image that
[00:42:25.839] you're looking at there is
[00:42:29.520] very accurate, right? You're seeing
[00:42:31.359] about 85 to 90%
[00:42:34.480] accuracy there. This was a quick uh
[00:42:36.880] mockup that I did using Adobe Firefly
[00:42:39.520] and it was fighting me. Um the beings
[00:42:43.599] that is roughly where they were standing
[00:42:45.680] in relation to the being that was
[00:42:47.359] standing on the edge of the ship. I
[00:42:49.599] would say they were skinnier and they
[00:42:51.680] were uh more yellow. Um I will say that
[00:42:57.200] I had great difficulty uh looking at
[00:43:01.280] their faces
[00:43:02.960] >> um for for various reasons. Um,
[00:43:06.720] number one, I was extremely frightened
[00:43:08.960] and they were uh staring at us very
[00:43:12.560] aggressively with their eyes bulging
[00:43:15.280] out. And so I would sneak a little
[00:43:20.079] glance at them the way that a dog would
[00:43:22.160] be afraid, you know, to look directly at
[00:43:24.560] a a predator. Um, the other thing is
[00:43:27.520] when I tried to look at their faces,
[00:43:30.800] I was seeing,
[00:43:33.760] you know, their clo I would see their
[00:43:35.280] their collar, but where their face was,
[00:43:38.079] I was seeing or in my mind, I was seeing
[00:43:40.720] an atomic blast or like a hydrogen bomb
[00:43:43.920] going off over and over again.
[00:43:47.599] >> And so it was obscuring their face. It
[00:43:50.960] was making it difficult for me to see.
[00:43:54.079] Um, for for whatever reason, when I
[00:43:56.560] tried to look at them, I would just see
[00:43:59.280] tremendous anger and frustration
[00:44:02.960] and an atomic blast going off
[00:44:06.720] and uh so that made it uh very difficult
[00:44:10.319] to render them accurately
[00:44:13.839] and
[00:44:14.400] >> Okay. Yeah.
[00:44:15.920] >> And so far, what is your best
[00:44:19.599] uh estimation of what these beings are?
[00:44:24.400] Um, so far um if you can put it into
[00:44:28.400] words, I
[00:44:31.440] honestly I I don't know. I don't know
[00:44:34.079] how to reconcile the apparent paradox in
[00:44:37.920] my own encounter. Right? These are
[00:44:40.480] beings that are extremely powerful,
[00:44:44.319] extremely advanced to an almost uh
[00:44:46.720] unimaginable degree. The ship is even
[00:44:49.599] more advanced than what you're seeing
[00:44:50.880] here. It morphed in shape. It never
[00:44:53.839] touched the ground. It opened like a
[00:44:55.440] clamshell.
[00:44:57.119] Um they told me that was due to
[00:44:59.280] Rhymanian geometry.
[00:45:01.440] They were dressed like uh magicians from
[00:45:04.240] the future, you know.
[00:45:06.000] >> Mhm. Um they had an extremely uh
[00:45:11.599] aggressive uh personality. Um all of
[00:45:15.119] them the things that they said to me,
[00:45:16.560] you know, uh you're too stupid this and
[00:45:19.839] that, you know, they they were not uh
[00:45:22.800] pleasant, let's say,
[00:45:24.000] >> like talking down to you.
[00:45:25.760] >> Yes. Yeah. They seemed to feel that we
[00:45:27.520] were uh inferior and that they would
[00:45:30.400] rather not um interact with us, but that
[00:45:33.119] they had to. But I did get the
[00:45:34.880] impression that if they could have
[00:45:37.280] killed me, they would have liked to have
[00:45:38.960] done so. But they just something was
[00:45:40.640] restraining them.
[00:45:41.920] >> I don't know what.
[00:45:43.440] >> And um yeah, I was I was feeling a
[00:45:46.720] tremendous um
[00:45:49.599] like a a barely contained rage um coming
[00:45:54.079] off of radiating off of them. And I
[00:45:57.119] would think that no matter how battleh
[00:45:59.200] hardened you are, I don't care if you're
[00:46:01.440] a elite marine in World War I trenches,
[00:46:05.200] if you encountered these beings, it's
[00:46:06.960] going to be a harrowing experience.
[00:46:09.520] You're going to shake in your boots.
[00:46:11.680] >> It's extremely intimidating.
[00:46:14.960] Um, and how to reconcile that with in
[00:46:18.640] the very next instant, I'm being treated
[00:46:21.359] well. I'm being told that I will see
[00:46:24.640] them again once more in this lifetime.
[00:46:28.079] Um the the thing that they showed me on
[00:46:32.079] the ship seemed to be literally it would
[00:46:36.400] be as if you took
[00:46:38.880] the life force itself and put it in a
[00:46:41.920] bottle and turned it into a writing
[00:46:43.599] system. Just pure love and light
[00:46:47.920] moving. It was a living language, you
[00:46:50.400] know, of um one one of the things about
[00:46:53.280] the language that was very special was
[00:46:55.280] that um they said that they didn't
[00:46:59.359] invented, they discovered it
[00:47:02.160] >> and they were so it was something that
[00:47:05.119] existed in the universe that they
[00:47:08.400] discovered and they were sharing it with
[00:47:11.200] me and others. Um, why why would they do
[00:47:15.839] that? If they're evil beings, why would
[00:47:18.640] they why would they do that? I I don't
[00:47:22.079] have the answer to that. I don't, you
[00:47:24.000] know, it's very confusing. Um, I for
[00:47:28.640] many many years um was searching
[00:47:31.440] frantically for information uh about
[00:47:34.640] this language. uh anybody that um you
[00:47:38.079] know had any uh instruction in it or its
[00:47:40.240] connection to magic because if you look
[00:47:42.400] at sigils it was the exact same way. was
[00:47:45.119] the round
[00:47:46.960] little symbol, you know, the bar and
[00:47:48.880] then the the line, right? And I uh so of
[00:47:52.960] course I I stumbled upon, you know, the
[00:47:54.880] work of John D and I in Nokian and all
[00:47:57.280] of that and I said, "Hey, there's a
[00:47:58.560] parallel here, but it's not perfect, you
[00:48:00.240] know." Um, and that was important. The
[00:48:02.480] accuracy was extremely important of the
[00:48:05.119] curves and everything. And I I looked in
[00:48:08.160] every library on the West Coast, the
[00:48:10.000] East Coast, everywhere. and I I could
[00:48:12.720] not find uh anything having to do with
[00:48:14.960] this language. And then finally one day
[00:48:17.359] I gave up. I was at the uh NSU library
[00:48:20.160] in Florida in uh Davy, Florida, which is
[00:48:24.319] I believe is a CIA um connected library.
[00:48:28.079] And I I finally gave up on the fourth
[00:48:30.880] floor and I went downstairs defeated and
[00:48:32.800] I said, "I'm never going to find this,
[00:48:34.240] you know." And I look in front of me.
[00:48:37.760] I'm sitting on the ground against the
[00:48:39.440] wall, you know, and I look in front of
[00:48:41.680] me and I just pull a book off the shelf
[00:48:44.480] and it was uh the story of Betty
[00:48:49.359] Andreasen.
[00:48:51.520] And I flip it open and there right in
[00:48:54.480] front of me is the terminal and the
[00:48:57.200] writing.
[00:48:58.800] And I thought, "Oh, no." You know, my I
[00:49:01.920] I felt so um defeated, you know, I I
[00:49:06.400] thought, "Oh my gosh, this woman is a a
[00:49:09.359] religious fanatic,
[00:49:11.440] you know, and I thought this is this is
[00:49:14.079] crazy, you know, this is and I wanted to
[00:49:17.200] put it down, but I couldn't. I had to
[00:49:18.880] press on, you know, I had to read. I had
[00:49:20.800] to um get into her story and I had to
[00:49:23.760] find out more, you know, and it even
[00:49:26.400] went to the point where I got in touch
[00:49:28.079] with her daughter uh Becky Andreas um
[00:49:32.000] while she was still alive um because I
[00:49:34.559] was looking for answers. uh because she
[00:49:37.680] had they these beings had given Betty
[00:49:40.319] Andreas in a book with the writing in it
[00:49:42.400] to study for 10 days and they told her
[00:49:46.000] not to show anybody and her daughter uh
[00:49:49.920] accidentally got exposed to it and she
[00:49:51.760] actually touched the book and then was
[00:49:54.960] able to learn the writing and to be able
[00:49:57.680] to read it. And so I I got in touch with
[00:50:00.400] her and we had made plans to communicate
[00:50:02.800] further but then she passed away. Um so
[00:50:06.880] yeah,
[00:50:08.160] >> that's so unfortunate. Um
[00:50:10.000] >> yeah,
[00:50:10.400] >> where can I where can people find this
[00:50:12.240] book of um uh Andreasin? Um
[00:50:15.680] >> um I I think Raymond Fowler uh a notable
[00:50:19.520] researcher, very good investigator. Um
[00:50:22.720] wrote several books on her case. Um
[00:50:24.960] those are probably the definitive.
[00:50:26.960] >> Um she did many interviews uh by
[00:50:29.680] herself. Um she has her own artwork.
[00:50:32.640] She's an artist that depicts the scenes
[00:50:34.559] and the craft and everything in in
[00:50:37.119] detail. Um, I really think that
[00:50:41.599] people, myself included, should try to
[00:50:44.000] keep an open mind and should take in the
[00:50:47.119] information, take what you learn from
[00:50:49.440] it.
[00:50:50.400] >> Yeah. There is a trend that keeps
[00:50:53.040] happening though that I've been trying
[00:50:55.040] to caution about which is uh there's
[00:50:58.160] people that go through experiences like
[00:50:59.839] you do and they misinterpret because
[00:51:03.440] they anthropomorphize
[00:51:05.599] the experience and they um correlate it
[00:51:08.960] to their religious belief and I think
[00:51:11.040] that's a mistake. I think that it and it
[00:51:13.920] happens pretty often. There's there are
[00:51:15.680] many cases like for example the Raian
[00:51:18.240] movement that turn into a religion or a
[00:51:21.359] cult and that is like a many cautionary
[00:51:24.880] tales that have taken place before
[00:51:26.480] because of this anthropomorphization of
[00:51:29.520] their experience and I am happy to know
[00:51:32.960] and to find out that you didn't do that
[00:51:36.319] that you're trying to find the baseline
[00:51:38.800] explanation for it the more objective
[00:51:41.839] sort of explanation for it but I do
[00:51:43.839] agree with
[00:51:44.960] We need to keep an open mind because um
[00:51:48.960] I I suspect that whenever this comes out
[00:51:52.000] more publicly, if it ever does, uh a lot
[00:51:56.079] of people are going to have to accept
[00:51:58.160] things that they don't agree with. Uh I
[00:52:00.960] don't know if you agree there.
[00:52:02.480] >> Yes. Yes, I do. And I and I share your
[00:52:04.720] frustration. Um I've it's one thing that
[00:52:09.280] I've uh observed in the u over the years
[00:52:13.359] you know just following this topic very
[00:52:15.440] intensively for 26 years I uh I feel
[00:52:19.200] like so often we see people try to make
[00:52:23.520] this about themselves or um they try to
[00:52:27.520] um elevate their importance or to get a
[00:52:30.880] following or there's a lot of infight we
[00:52:34.000] see many promising avenues that are
[00:52:36.880] derailed into infighting and intrigue
[00:52:39.119] and all of this and I, you know, I'm
[00:52:43.040] concerned about that. I'm concerned that
[00:52:44.640] people are losing sight of, you know,
[00:52:47.520] the bigger picture, right? Who are we?
[00:52:50.960] Why are we here? Who are these beings
[00:52:53.119] visiting us? What what is the goal? You
[00:52:55.680] know, I think there are some much larger
[00:52:57.520] questions
[00:52:59.119] uh that need to be answered. I think the
[00:53:02.960] military intelligence community, I think
[00:53:04.640] they have some of those answers. I doubt
[00:53:06.880] all of it. Um, that's probably one of
[00:53:10.000] the reasons why they're so uh reticent
[00:53:11.920] to talk is because they don't have all
[00:53:13.920] of the answers. Um, and I I hope that we
[00:53:18.000] can all I I'm sharing what I know
[00:53:20.880] because I feel like it's a piece of the
[00:53:22.480] puzzle, right? I I like to think of this
[00:53:24.160] as a mosaic
[00:53:27.280] um that is revealing itself over time.
[00:53:31.119] And I think that, you know, by being
[00:53:33.599] brave and speaking up and sharing what I
[00:53:35.440] know, I hope that other people will
[00:53:36.960] share what they know. And uh I think if
[00:53:39.839] we all come together and put our heads
[00:53:41.440] together and stop with the
[00:53:43.440] >> cult of personality and you know trying
[00:53:46.000] to you know make a buck off of the the
[00:53:49.760] stories and the topic I think that we'll
[00:53:51.680] we'll be able to make some real progress
[00:53:54.000] >> and get to these uh get to these
[00:53:55.760] answers. You know
[00:53:56.720] >> for that to happen I think we need to
[00:53:59.200] first get out of the materialistic
[00:54:00.960] paradigm. If we continue there this is
[00:54:03.440] going to keep happening. uh people are
[00:54:05.119] going to keep trying to because we're
[00:54:07.280] all tied to it though. Like I'm not I'm
[00:54:10.400] not a stranger to that. I run a YouTube
[00:54:12.559] channel about news on this topic and uh
[00:54:16.160] I decided to make it my my career and I
[00:54:19.040] know that I'm going to get criticized
[00:54:20.480] for it. I'm trying to do it as
[00:54:22.400] subjectively as possible and not go down
[00:54:25.599] the route of I know exactly what's going
[00:54:27.599] on, which is what often happens. But
[00:54:30.400] until we uh find a way to get out of the
[00:54:33.839] paradigm, I don't think it's going to be
[00:54:36.240] possible to uh avoid that. Uh there's
[00:54:39.839] always people that are going to fall
[00:54:41.680] under that, right?
[00:54:43.200] >> Yes. And I think that that's a problem
[00:54:44.720] also is that people, you know, if
[00:54:47.119] somebody writes a book, if somebody's,
[00:54:49.599] you know, trying to earn a living, you
[00:54:50.960] know, as a full-time researcher and
[00:54:52.559] doing obviously it requires a tremendous
[00:54:54.400] amount of work on your part and you have
[00:54:56.000] to have an income, right? That's the
[00:54:59.040] that's the rubric that we exist in. Um I
[00:55:03.280] I feel like people attack you know oh
[00:55:05.440] he's you know making money or you
[00:55:07.200] nobody's getting rich from this topic
[00:55:09.040] you know I think we all know that
[00:55:10.319] nobody's nobody's uh rolling in it and I
[00:55:14.000] think uh in terms of getting out of this
[00:55:16.960] materialist paradigm as you say it seems
[00:55:20.079] like the phenomenon itself is driving
[00:55:22.960] that right they are causing us
[00:55:26.800] >> they are causing us to question this
[00:55:29.599] paradigm they are continually pulling us
[00:55:31.920] forward and making us face things that
[00:55:36.079] we think are not possible, right? We
[00:55:38.400] have to reconcile these new things that
[00:55:41.040] they're showing us and uh it moves
[00:55:43.280] everything in ex really forward, you
[00:55:45.520] know? So,
[00:55:46.800] >> yep. I love that, man. Um, so, uh, just
[00:55:52.240] to be completely transparent here, the
[00:55:55.119] comment that I found aggressive from you
[00:55:57.599] was one you made about Matthew Brown,
[00:56:00.240] uh, not going more into detail on his
[00:56:03.839] statement of God exists and all of that.
[00:56:07.359] >> Now, I understand a little bit more of
[00:56:09.760] what you meant by that comment. And I I
[00:56:12.880] actually had the same reaction at the
[00:56:15.119] beginning when I heard Matthew say that
[00:56:17.119] for the first time because I was also an
[00:56:19.119] atheist for a long time. But then I
[00:56:21.920] suffered or went through a near-death
[00:56:24.319] experience and that made me rethink a
[00:56:27.440] lot of the preconceptions that I had on
[00:56:29.920] philosophy on um even religion or
[00:56:33.440] belief. Um I'm not religious but I no
[00:56:37.280] longer consider myself an atheist. I
[00:56:39.760] think that there is something there, but
[00:56:41.839] I just don't know what it is yet. And um
[00:56:45.440] Matt seemed like he knew uh when he made
[00:56:49.040] that statement that that it seemed like
[00:56:51.280] he had um evidence to support that
[00:56:54.799] claim, which was like really strong like
[00:56:57.760] it it made a huge impression both
[00:57:00.000] negative and positive in people when he
[00:57:02.319] said that. Um, so now I understand more
[00:57:05.520] and now I understand that the message
[00:57:07.119] and the the the the comment was not
[00:57:10.400] aggressive at all. It was just
[00:57:12.079] inquisitive. Like why is Matt not going
[00:57:15.440] more into detail on this if he already
[00:57:17.359] said it publicly? Is that correct? Is
[00:57:20.319] that accurate?
[00:57:21.760] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm a big fan of uh
[00:57:25.920] Matthew Brown and um I you know commend
[00:57:29.599] his his bravery. I'm, you know, I'm so
[00:57:33.839] happy that he spoke up. I he really, you
[00:57:36.880] know, put his neck out there and, you
[00:57:38.880] know, as you can see, he's he's
[00:57:40.480] suffering. Um, you know, in many ways,
[00:57:44.960] you know, as a result of trying to get
[00:57:46.720] this knowledge out there and share with
[00:57:48.160] people and so he's a very brave
[00:57:50.559] individual and it inspires people like
[00:57:52.799] myself to come forward. And um I think
[00:57:55.520] that on that topic, you know, of him
[00:57:58.480] saying, you know, uh God is real and uh
[00:58:02.720] you know, connecting this to uh you
[00:58:05.680] know, the Inkian and all of that. Um
[00:58:10.000] I I I think that that's a very important
[00:58:12.559] angle and I think a lot of people are
[00:58:14.559] waiting have been waiting for him to
[00:58:17.040] expound upon that.
[00:58:18.640] >> Right. What what what is the link that
[00:58:22.880] you saw that caused you to connect these
[00:58:26.480] two topics? Is it something is this
[00:58:28.720] something that is known at the highest
[00:58:30.160] levels? You know, and I think that
[00:58:33.200] that's very important. I saw many people
[00:58:35.599] also shared the same frustration
[00:58:38.240] um that you know they've been waiting
[00:58:41.200] and you know that was put out there and
[00:58:43.119] no answers are forthcoming. Um, but on
[00:58:45.680] the other hand, I do understand that,
[00:58:47.920] you know, there are major concerns with,
[00:58:51.920] you know, he went to, uh, the dig and he
[00:58:55.040] was trying to get whistleblower
[00:58:57.040] protections. Um, and he, you know, they,
[00:59:01.040] uh,
[00:59:02.799] said defamatory things about his, uh,
[00:59:05.200] character and background, and all of
[00:59:08.000] that does need to be covered as well.
[00:59:09.920] That's also
[00:59:12.079] >> very important and concerning.
[00:59:14.480] Um it's it's it's definitely uh also
[00:59:17.599] needs to be tackled. So it's hard to do
[00:59:19.359] that in an interview. You know,
[00:59:21.440] >> with a sitdown interview uh with a
[00:59:23.280] limited time with, you know, George Knap
[00:59:25.119] and Jeremy Corbel,
[00:59:27.040] >> um they do need to cover that because it
[00:59:28.799] does appear that people are at risk
[00:59:30.319] right now, right?
[00:59:31.760] >> People uh feel that they're in danger.
[00:59:34.160] They feel like they're being silenced.
[00:59:36.880] they feel like maybe even people are
[00:59:39.119] breaking into their homes and
[00:59:40.319] rearranging things and sending them a
[00:59:42.880] message, you know, to to be quiet. So,
[00:59:45.520] it is important for that to come out now
[00:59:48.799] as well so they can have some some
[00:59:51.200] shelter and some protection and
[00:59:53.040] hopefully
[00:59:54.640] um we will continue to get to the the
[00:59:57.520] bigger and deeper topics soon.
[01:00:00.480] >> Yeah, I agree there. Um, before we
[01:00:03.680] leave, I want to ask you about the
[01:00:06.240] current movement and the whole
[01:00:08.960] disclosure saga that Tom seemed to have
[01:00:12.000] started at around the time you spoke to
[01:00:13.920] him. Um, how do you think that's going?
[01:00:17.040] Where do you see it going? And what are
[01:00:20.400] your overall thoughts of where you would
[01:00:23.200] like for for the topic to go in the
[01:00:25.520] next, let's say, five years or so?
[01:00:30.240] Um
[01:00:31.760] it's it's hard to tell where people are
[01:00:35.119] at with this, right? We all
[01:00:39.440] um there's an algorithm
[01:00:42.319] that is mirroring us and showing us
[01:00:45.680] things. And to some degree, we could be
[01:00:49.680] operating within a bubble where we think
[01:00:53.200] that the general public and the
[01:00:54.720] mainstream, everybody is aware of all of
[01:00:58.240] these uh this wonderful progress that
[01:01:01.200] has been made the last couple years,
[01:01:03.040] right? John Ratcliffe, you know, saying
[01:01:05.200] on the news, you know, Obama saying, you
[01:01:07.520] know, aliens are real. You know, we
[01:01:09.359] assume that everybody's hearing this and
[01:01:12.799] everybody's on the same page. But the
[01:01:16.720] more I talk to, you know, people, I find
[01:01:20.480] they're not looking at this topic at
[01:01:22.400] all. And it could be that
[01:01:26.000] um this slow drip of disclosure.
[01:01:30.480] I see there are attempts over and over
[01:01:32.960] to discredit
[01:01:35.200] to tie it to the wacky, right? To make
[01:01:39.119] it go away. And I I do fear that, you
[01:01:44.480] know, as we get closer to, let's say,
[01:01:46.000] Spielberg's movie coming out,
[01:01:48.240] >> I think we're going to see some
[01:01:49.359] activity. I think we're going to see um
[01:01:52.160] some people trying to put the kaibos on
[01:01:55.200] this and make it absurd and ridiculous
[01:01:58.319] and just a fringe fun belief that a you
[01:02:01.599] know a handful of uh uh you know weirdos
[01:02:05.040] have out there. I think they're trying
[01:02:07.040] to turn it into a niche topic and I that
[01:02:11.599] does uh give me pause and gives me
[01:02:13.680] concern. Um if you'll know, you know, we
[01:02:18.559] know for a fact that somebody like uh
[01:02:20.799] Dr. Carla Turner, right?
[01:02:23.119] >> Yes.
[01:02:23.680] >> She she she did so many lectures and she
[01:02:26.079] was trying to get to the bottom of the
[01:02:27.440] truth and for many years it was accepted
[01:02:29.440] that she was making good progress. But
[01:02:31.520] you see now that her Wikipedia has been
[01:02:35.440] un removed by uh the gorilla skeptics or
[01:02:39.440] whoever working in conjunction with
[01:02:42.000] Wikipedia.
[01:02:43.520] they they removed it and they're
[01:02:45.119] scrubbing a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff
[01:02:48.000] is disappearing and that should give
[01:02:50.480] people concern, you know, that the topic
[01:02:52.880] is being managed. It's being sanitized.
[01:02:56.000] It's being uh erased uh right before our
[01:02:59.440] eyes. So, I I'm definitely um concerned
[01:03:02.640] about that and what the public is being
[01:03:05.119] presented with. Right. You go to watch
[01:03:06.880] any video on abductions and there is a
[01:03:10.400] blurb there right underneath the video
[01:03:12.000] that tells you that
[01:03:14.160] you know from Google right and Wikipedia
[01:03:16.640] that you know these people mistakenly
[01:03:20.079] believe that they've been abducted and
[01:03:22.160] this is just a figment of their
[01:03:23.520] imagination and you know we're talking
[01:03:25.440] tens of thousands of people now who have
[01:03:27.200] never met each other you know who were
[01:03:30.079] we're not even first in the topic you
[01:03:32.160] know with overlapping stories and
[01:03:34.079] interconnecting stories so I just that
[01:03:37.119] gives me um some big concern and I hope
[01:03:40.079] that people will think for themselves
[01:03:43.119] and research for themselves and and you
[01:03:46.480] know to to anybody that does that I
[01:03:48.480] applaud you um because I'm always
[01:03:51.920] impressed when somebody says that you
[01:03:54.319] know they know a lot about this topic
[01:03:55.680] but nothing happened to them because I
[01:03:58.640] myself was not a believer you know and I
[01:04:02.000] would have thought that the topic was
[01:04:03.359] ridiculous I I never paid it any mind,
[01:04:06.079] you know, I ignored I would have been
[01:04:08.880] one of those people scoffing at it and
[01:04:10.880] ignoring it prior to the experience
[01:04:13.359] happening to me in 2000. So to anybody
[01:04:16.480] that has the intellectual curiosity and
[01:04:19.760] capacity to get into this, I you are
[01:04:22.480] you're a bigger person than me. I'll
[01:04:24.160] tell you um I my hats off to you because
[01:04:27.200] that takes a lot of that takes a lot of
[01:04:30.079] uh direction to to to go into this topic
[01:04:33.760] and to pursue.
[01:04:34.480] >> It also takes a lot of courage to speak
[01:04:36.799] about this uh as you're doing right now.
[01:04:39.680] So I want to thank you for your time,
[01:04:41.520] Ryan.
[01:04:42.240] >> Yeah. And I I'll say something else
[01:04:43.599] about that too. Um I have I have been
[01:04:47.039] pulled into a room. I have been told by
[01:04:49.440] the government not to talk about this.
[01:04:52.000] So,
[01:04:52.559] >> oh
[01:04:53.599] >> yes, at the San Francisco airport back
[01:04:56.640] in 2009, they pulled me into a room for
[01:04:59.760] 3 hours and told me, "Stop. Don't talk
[01:05:03.039] about it."
[01:05:03.520] >> Oh, wow.
[01:05:04.720] >> Yeah. So,
[01:05:06.000] >> when was this?
[01:05:07.520] >> 2009.
[01:05:09.200] San Francisco.
[01:05:09.760] >> Okay. How have you ever had any uh
[01:05:12.960] further approaches after that or not
[01:05:15.440] again?
[01:05:17.440] >> I've I've been toyed with a little bit.
[01:05:19.920] I've had um somebody uh follow me and
[01:05:23.039] try to uh interact with me with their
[01:05:25.200] car. I uh
[01:05:27.680] >> things got very aggressive and heated.
[01:05:30.000] Um I have kind of a bit of a hot temper
[01:05:32.319] myself, so we uh things got uh pretty
[01:05:36.960] intense. Um I went back to my uh house.
[01:05:43.920] I didn't know what to do. So I opened my
[01:05:46.640] Gmail and I started typing, you know,
[01:05:49.920] hello, is anybody there? It didn't send
[01:05:52.720] it, just opened it. And then my mouse
[01:05:56.319] cursor was taken from me, closed the
[01:05:59.839] browser, turned off the computer,
[01:06:03.520] >> I guess to send a message, you know.
[01:06:05.839] >> Yeah.
[01:06:07.599] >> Yep.
[01:06:08.240] >> Whoa. I I was living at Liberty Station
[01:06:10.559] at the time in uh Pointl
[01:06:13.280] um when that incident occurred.
[01:06:15.440] >> Yeah,
[01:06:16.960] >> that is wild. Um okay, so this is going
[01:06:21.920] out and um I' I've also gotten strange
[01:06:25.920] phone calls. Uh I recently spoke about
[01:06:28.640] one right after getting James Fox's um
[01:06:32.400] phone number and and communicated with
[01:06:34.480] him. Uh, so this this does happen and
[01:06:37.839] yeah, thank you for being brave enough
[01:06:39.680] to talk about this. If you ever get any
[01:06:42.640] of that again, please let us know. Um,
[01:06:46.079] so we can expose that because I think
[01:06:48.000] this is a time when people need to be
[01:06:50.640] brave and start speaking up as you as
[01:06:53.200] you uh eloquently put it. Um, so I want
[01:06:56.480] to thank you for your time, Ryan. And
[01:06:59.039] anything else you want to tell the
[01:07:00.480] people?
[01:07:03.520] Um, I'll I'll leave it on the same note
[01:07:05.280] that um Matthew Brown did, which is that
[01:07:08.160] God is real.
[01:07:10.480] And people need to uh start
[01:07:14.319] contemplating um what that means and how
[01:07:17.440] it relates to this topic and our world.
[01:07:20.720] You know, there's believing and then
[01:07:23.359] there's knowing. And I would say as a
[01:07:26.160] result of this and other experiences, I
[01:07:29.359] know that he's real. I will never uh
[01:07:32.160] disavow that. Um you can look to uh I
[01:07:35.280] believe it's Tmus, Plato's tomatus. And
[01:07:39.359] uh people should start to investigate
[01:07:42.319] what that all means and how it ties into
[01:07:44.640] this topic.
[01:07:46.000] >> Yeah. And just to be clear, you're not
[01:07:47.839] religious yet you're telling me this.
[01:07:50.720] >> Interesting. Interesting. All right. So,
[01:07:54.720] thank you, Ryan, for your time and thank
[01:07:56.640] you for sharing what you did, man.
[01:07:58.400] >> Thank you. I hope somebody gets
[01:07:59.839] something out of this, right? That's
[01:08:01.200] always my hope is that somebody gets
[01:08:03.839] something out of it, a little piece of
[01:08:05.039] the puzzle that they didn't have before.
[01:08:07.440] Um, and maybe in the future, you and I
[01:08:10.240] privately, we can uh discuss the topic
[01:08:12.079] further because there was more to the
[01:08:14.240] >> Oh, we're gonna
[01:08:15.520] >> Don't worry, we're gonna
[01:08:17.199] >> um so uh hopefully Tom sees this too and
[01:08:20.880] it could draw him out to uh speak
[01:08:23.199] publicly. Um
[01:08:24.239] >> I hope he's okay. I you know I
[01:08:26.319] understand why he might be a little uh
[01:08:29.199] gunshy at this point. You know anytime
[01:08:31.359] you come out you get a big reaction and
[01:08:33.839] uh you know the uh throwing you know
[01:08:36.719] throwing things at him and it's it's
[01:08:39.120] rough. You know he came out he did that
[01:08:40.560] Rogan interview and he got a lot of flak
[01:08:42.799] for it and I think over time it's shown
[01:08:46.960] >> he's owed an apology. He's owed an
[01:08:48.960] apology
[01:08:49.759] >> I would say. Like I said, he wasn't he
[01:08:53.839] was extremely knowledgeable about this
[01:08:56.080] subject. He was not used he went into
[01:08:59.520] this with open eyes. You know, he
[01:09:02.080] deliberately did this to get answers for
[01:09:05.679] everyone. And I think that that's
[01:09:07.199] important. I think that people should
[01:09:08.480] know that that it was premeditated. It
[01:09:11.520] was calculated. He knew what he was
[01:09:13.120] doing when he engaged and he did it as a
[01:09:16.159] service. So, I think that people should
[01:09:18.880] really uh think about that.
[01:09:21.920] >> Yeah. All right. Well, have a good one,
[01:09:25.759] um, Ryan, and I see you guys in the next
[01:09:29.040] one. Thank you for being here, and thank
[01:09:31.279] you, Ryan, for your time again. I'll see
[01:09:33.520] you in the flip side.
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