Garry Nolan on CBS News — "Pathology professor and UAP expert on impact of Spielberg's 'Disclosure Day'" (8 Jun 2026)

Source: CBS News interview with Garry Nolan, 2026-06-08 (~7 min). YouTube: https://youtu.be/AP3mSV-uiX8
Captured: 2026-06-08, full verbatim auto-transcript (timestamps). Provenance only; analysis on ../../sources/nolan-research-and-claims / ../../sources/ubatuba-fragment-1957.
Note on the materials passage (~05:30): compressed mainstream-TV framing. Nolan describes two materials — Council Bluffs, Iowa ("metals mixed in an unusual way") and Ubatuba, Brazil ("nearly pure silicon, 99.999% silicon… with again, anomalous isotope ratios"). He invokes both silicon and magnesium isotopes ("Silicon has three flavors… Magnesium has three isotopic flavors") while describing the one Ubatuba sample — which can sound like magnesium and silicon are separate samples; per his fuller 2026-03-05 Sol Foundation talk they are the same piece (bulk silicon + trace magnesium, both isotope ratios claimed anomalous). Distinct from Powell's separate, terrestrial magnesium fragment.

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[00:00:00.000] Let's talk about Steven Spielberg's
[00:00:01.120] newest film. It's called Disclosure Day.
[00:00:02.640] It comes out on Friday. It centers on a
[00:00:04.440] government's cover-up of
[00:00:05.760] extraterrestrial intelligence and the
[00:00:07.640] race to broadcast the truth of their
[00:00:09.320] existence. Here's a clip.
[00:00:12.800] >> What did you steal?
[00:00:14.440] >> Secrets.
[00:00:16.375] >> [music]
[00:00:18.320] >> The data they paid me to protect.
[00:00:24.200] >> Are they
[00:00:25.400] people?
[00:00:29.880] >> No.
[00:00:32.960] >> All right, joining us this morning is
[00:00:34.280] Garry Nolan. He's a professor
[00:00:36.760] of
[00:00:37.600] >> pathology.
[00:00:38.280] >> Pathology. Okay, very interesting. At
[00:00:40.640] Stanford University School of Medicine
[00:00:42.800] and the executive director of the board
[00:00:44.800] for the So Foundation, which brings
[00:00:46.680] together experts on unidentified
[00:00:49.120] anomalous
[00:00:50.800] Did I say that right?
[00:00:51.600] >> I think so.
[00:00:52.200] >> anomalous phenomena or UAPs.
[00:00:56.800] Uh
[00:00:56.840] >> UAPs.
[00:01:00.280] >> Clearly,
[00:01:01.440] clearly, Professor, I graduated from
[00:01:03.160] college in like the '90s when like all
[00:01:05.560] we cared about all I cared about was
[00:01:07.120] surfing and
[00:01:08.120] >> [laughter]
[00:01:08.360] >> extracurricular activities. Um
[00:01:10.680] but so let's talk about this. Uh you've
[00:01:13.120] said it was one of Spielberg's other
[00:01:15.960] famous films that inspired you to go
[00:01:18.520] down this career path. Tell us about
[00:01:20.480] that.
[00:01:22.160] >> Well, literally one of the first ones
[00:01:23.880] that got me going was Spielberg's Close
[00:01:28.400] Encounters of the Third Kind. It
[00:01:31.480] captured, I think, for the public, at
[00:01:34.200] least at that time, the zeitgeist of
[00:01:36.840] what people thought UAP were
[00:01:39.920] or UFOs called at the time
[00:01:42.600] and what
[00:01:43.920] individuals who might have come to into
[00:01:45.800] interactions with so-called abductions
[00:01:48.200] or things like that. Um you know,
[00:01:51.000] interestingly in that film
[00:01:53.560] is [snorts]
[00:01:54.800] a French scientist uh played by I think
[00:01:58.960] Claude Lacombe. Sorry, the name of it
[00:02:01.360] was Claude Lacombe played by François
[00:02:03.120] Truffaut. Yeah. Uh who's actually styled
[00:02:05.960] against a personal friend of mine,
[00:02:07.840] Jacques Vallée.
[00:02:08.880] >> Oh.
[00:02:09.320] >> Uh who uh had been involved in this for
[00:02:12.840] 40, 50, or or more years.
[00:02:15.600] And
[00:02:16.520] what I think in the new film Spielberg
[00:02:19.200] approaches in a wholly different way is
[00:02:21.320] a much more modern and up-to-date and
[00:02:24.080] probably more informed by data and
[00:02:26.600] things that people have been coming out
[00:02:28.000] and saying about what actually might be
[00:02:30.200] happening
[00:02:31.320] uh and what the phenomena might,
[00:02:33.040] allegedly, and I'm being very careful
[00:02:34.640] here, what it might allegedly represent
[00:02:37.000] because it's very hard to encapsulate
[00:02:40.120] within uh a complex film uh something
[00:02:43.240] which seems to be many different things
[00:02:45.240] all at the same time.
[00:02:46.760] So, uh I'm looking forward to the film.
[00:02:48.760] Unfortunately, I haven't I haven't seen
[00:02:50.640] it yet. I but I've watched every trailer
[00:02:52.400] several times [laughter] trying to eke
[00:02:53.880] out whatever clues I can.
[00:02:55.440] >> So, Professor, um you were inspired by
[00:02:57.880] Spielberg. Spielberg, of course, is
[00:02:59.640] inspired by extraterrestrial activity.
[00:03:03.160] He has said that based on everything
[00:03:05.400] that he knows and all that he has
[00:03:06.760] studied, he does believe that it is
[00:03:08.800] likely that aliens exist if they're not
[00:03:10.800] already here. What do you believe given
[00:03:13.160] the fact that through your work you've
[00:03:14.840] personally analyzed things that you
[00:03:17.280] believe are not of this world?
[00:03:20.400] >> So, actually, I've been saying something
[00:03:22.519] very similar to what Spielberg recently
[00:03:24.400] said in an interview uh about you know
[00:03:27.280] that if something is here, it's likely
[00:03:29.720] been here a long time and probably
[00:03:31.600] predates human civilization. I mean,
[00:03:33.720] look, the universe is 14 billion years
[00:03:36.280] old. By 2 billion years after the
[00:03:38.760] universe started, all of the elements of
[00:03:40.600] life were available, carbon, nitrogen,
[00:03:43.120] oxygen, hydrogen, etc., some of the
[00:03:45.280] lighter metals. So, we've had 12 billion
[00:03:47.760] years for somebody to evolve
[00:03:50.920] uh and produce, let's say, technologies
[00:03:53.480] that could have allowed them to travel
[00:03:55.600] great distances even given the amount of
[00:03:57.720] time. So humans are, you know, we're
[00:04:00.040] barely a couple of thousand years out of
[00:04:01.600] the caves and already look at the AI
[00:04:03.760] that we've got
[00:04:05.160] and what it might be capable of. So, um,
[00:04:08.280] you know, my interest in this is how is
[00:04:11.600] it that such technologies might
[00:04:13.880] represent things we don't understand and
[00:04:16.040] how might scientists be brought into the
[00:04:18.200] fold to look at it and answer the
[00:04:20.200] question as what is the data? Not what
[00:04:22.640] are the conclusions? Don't start with a
[00:04:24.480] conclusion that it is or it isn't
[00:04:26.120] something. Start with a conclusion of
[00:04:28.400] what might it be based on the data. And
[00:04:30.800] if I can get other scientists to believe
[00:04:32.760] in the data and believe the methods by
[00:04:35.400] which the data was collected, then
[00:04:37.440] that's a conversation that starts a real
[00:04:40.120] scientific process. So to your point
[00:04:42.320] about the materials that I've received,
[00:04:44.720] frankly most of the materials I received
[00:04:46.400] have been from Jacques Vallee who's
[00:04:48.280] collected them in chains of evidence of
[00:04:50.280] their collection for decades.
[00:04:52.480] >> And what are those materials, Professor?
[00:04:55.200] What are they? What are these materials?
[00:04:57.400] >> These are the These are metals that seem
[00:04:59.520] to have been left behind or in some
[00:05:00.919] cases dropped off the the the the craft.
[00:05:04.240] The most famous one
[00:05:05.960] that I'm aware of, well, there's two of
[00:05:07.480] them. The one is Council Bluffs, Iowa.
[00:05:10.320] Multiple witnesses, molten metal on the
[00:05:12.640] ground. What it is and why
[00:05:15.200] an object would need to drop
[00:05:18.960] molten metal off the craft. Well, maybe
[00:05:21.720] it's just like their exhaust. I don't
[00:05:23.480] know. I mean, I'm just speculating.
[00:05:25.880] Uh, but uh,
[00:05:28.040] what it was was metals mixed in an
[00:05:29.960] unusual way.
[00:05:31.600] Um, metals that we wouldn't normally put
[00:05:33.960] together. Another one I have is from
[00:05:36.520] Ubatuba, Brazil where it's nearly pure
[00:05:39.880] silicon, 99.999%
[00:05:42.240] silicon.
[00:05:43.400] Back in the 1950s, made at a time when
[00:05:45.600] humans weren't doing that. With again,
[00:05:47.960] anomalous isotope ratios. Isotopes are
[00:05:50.480] flavors of an element. Silicon has three
[00:05:53.120] flavors, let's say. Magnesium has three
[00:05:55.480] isotopic flavors. You know, anywhere on
[00:05:58.320] Earth you look, you're going to find the
[00:05:59.880] same isotopic flavor mix. But these came
[00:06:03.200] with a different mix. For no good reason
[00:06:05.600] that a human would ever make. So, it
[00:06:07.800] doesn't prove anything. It just says,
[00:06:10.120] "Hmm, why would somebody do this?" And
[00:06:13.040] so, my hope is in the developments of
[00:06:15.160] technologies to look at such materials
[00:06:17.600] and hopefully get a hold of some of the
[00:06:18.800] materials that are claimed to be behind
[00:06:20.440] the scenes.
[00:06:21.600] Is that we could get some sense of how
[00:06:23.800] they're built. Uh and then maybe
[00:06:26.360] elucidate from that principles
[00:06:28.919] uh or understandings that we don't have.
[00:06:31.080] And as I've said many times, look at how
[00:06:33.040] silicon itself has changed our
[00:06:35.160] civilization. Everything we do today is
[00:06:37.320] based on silicon, all the AI.
[00:06:39.760] And so, what might new in that new
[00:06:42.000] discoveries allow us to do?
[00:06:44.360] >> Okay, Professor Garry Nolan giving us
[00:06:46.440] lots to think about.
[00:06:47.720] >> Thank you, Professor.
[00:06:48.440] >> Thank you. Thank you for your work.
[00:06:50.120] >> Thank you.
[00:06:52.240] >> I'm quite tickled by that.
[00:06:53.200] >> As I mean, it was as I mean, I I was as
[00:06:56.200] rapt as I was in my uh college astronomy
[00:06:59.400] class.