Jesse Michels - Mario Woods and Michael Johnson Ellsworth reunion

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjUdn6FklAU
• Title: "I Found The Missing Witness To The Most INTENSE Alien Abduction [50 Years Later!]"
• Channel: Jesse Michels
• Published: 2026-09-07
• Duration: 2:47:21
• Participants: Jesse Michels, Mario Woods, Michael Johnson, Yvonne Smith, and Ammar Kandil
• Extraction: complete English auto-generated YouTube captions retrieved with youtube_transcript.py --timestamps, 2026-09-07
• Fidelity note: automated captions may contain errors, especially in names, dates, acronyms, and overlapping speech
• Analysis: ../../sources/ellsworth-missile-site-encounter-1977; ../../queries/2026-09-07-michels-woods-johnson-ellsworth-evidence

TL;DW

Jesse Michels reunites Mario Woods with Michael Johnson, the former Ellsworth colleague Woods had named for years, and records Johnson's first public account of the alleged 1977 missile-site encounter. Before hypnosis, Johnson recalls a large bright light, immobilization at the wheel, burning eyes, blurred humanoid forms, a reassuring message, military medical attention, and later career problems; under hypnosis he describes removal from the truck and an invasive onboard examination. The recorded first call shows Woods supplying the UFO cue after Johnson initially says he does not remember, and the witnesses discuss the event before regression, limiting the later overlaps as independent corroboration.

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[00:00:00.240] Do you remember me? We were on November
[00:00:03.520] 5, November the 18th, 1977.
[00:00:07.759] Do you remember what we encountered at
[00:00:09.840] 1:00 in the morning on November 5?
[00:00:13.519] >> On November 5
[00:00:15.920] UFO was a UFO.
[00:00:20.480] >> Imagine you're 23 years old, tasked with
[00:00:23.600] guarding a nuclear missile site in the
[00:00:25.600] heart of the Cold War.
[00:00:28.160] It's midnight and while on duty, you and
[00:00:31.199] your partner witness a giant glowing
[00:00:33.840] sphere hovering over a live
[00:00:35.920] thermonuclear weapon.
[00:00:41.200] Four strangel looking beings glide
[00:00:43.600] towards the window of your truck. Enough
[00:00:46.320] fear.
[00:00:46.960] >> Michael. Michael.
[00:00:48.320] >> You're taken aboard a craft examined
[00:00:50.960] with sharp instruments while receiving
[00:00:53.199] telepathic messages.
[00:00:55.680] And all the while, you hear the shouts
[00:00:57.680] of your partner somewhere close by.
[00:01:02.559] When you finally come to, five hours
[00:01:05.600] have passed. Your partner is frozen to
[00:01:08.320] the steering wheel, completely
[00:01:09.920] unresponsive.
[00:01:11.040] >> Number five,
[00:01:11.920] >> and you're parked beside a reservoir dam
[00:01:14.320] more than 8 m away from the missile
[00:01:16.320] site. Bewildered, you're taken back to
[00:01:19.280] the base and separately interrogated.
[00:01:22.240] Then the Air Force transfers your
[00:01:23.920] partner and you don't see him again for
[00:01:26.560] 50 years.
[00:01:31.360] Now you can stop imagining because this
[00:01:33.759] is the true story of Air Force Security
[00:01:36.560] Policeman Mario Woods.
[00:01:38.960] >> My name is Mario Woods. I served in the
[00:01:41.119] Air Force from 1975 to 1983.
[00:01:44.479] >> Mario has told this story countless
[00:01:46.799] times. Mario's been on the History
[00:01:49.200] Channel, Discovery Plus, News Nation,
[00:01:51.920] This Show, over 40 appearances, and each
[00:01:54.960] time he asked the audience to find one
[00:01:57.439] person. Michael Johnson.
[00:01:59.439] >> Michael Johnson.
[00:02:00.240] >> Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson.
[00:02:01.840] >> Michael Johnson. Money has been spent
[00:02:04.000] trying to locate Michael Johnson. We've
[00:02:05.759] looked in hospitals. We've looked in
[00:02:07.680] >> Can't find him anywhere.
[00:02:08.640] >> No, sir.
[00:02:09.440] >> The one person who could validate his
[00:02:11.760] experience and corroborate his story.
[00:02:14.640] gone seemingly forever.
[00:02:17.760] Here's the thing about hunting for a man
[00:02:19.680] named Michael Johnson. It's one of the
[00:02:21.840] most common names in America. Good luck
[00:02:24.400] finding Michael Johnson in a sea of
[00:02:26.720] Michael Johnson's.
[00:02:28.720] Many start to wonder whether this
[00:02:30.239] long-lost partner of Mario's was a
[00:02:32.400] figment of his imagination.
[00:02:35.519] Mario hired private investigators. He
[00:02:38.160] consulted the FBI. Online amateur
[00:02:40.959] sleuththers went nuts. He says Arrow,
[00:02:43.519] the Pentagon's official UFO office, has
[00:02:46.160] promised him that they would look, but
[00:02:47.920] they all came up dry. If anything, my
[00:02:51.280] guess is that a lot of these people and
[00:02:53.280] organizations probably saw Mario as a
[00:02:55.840] liability and Mario and Michael as
[00:02:58.160] people to keep compartmentalized,
[00:03:00.319] someone to corroborate a story they'd
[00:03:02.319] rather remain stigmatized, kept in
[00:03:04.800] limbo.
[00:03:06.400] Because all it took for our fledgling
[00:03:08.560] operation at American Alchemy to beat a
[00:03:10.879] multi- agency manhunt was some online
[00:03:13.680] searching and basic outreach. That's
[00:03:16.720] right, a fan of the show, shout out
[00:03:19.280] Jason Miller, hit us up with a Facebook
[00:03:21.760] page, a page just sitting there, and lo
[00:03:24.879] and behold, it was for a 70some
[00:03:27.120] yearear-old Michael Johnson living in
[00:03:29.360] South Carolina, fitting Mario's
[00:03:31.599] description perfectly. Michael had even
[00:03:34.319] posted these words, "My boys in South
[00:03:37.200] Dakota on Ellsworth 75 to 77." So he
[00:03:41.760] tasked a very talented recruiter to find
[00:03:44.319] him and he did in about a week.
[00:03:50.720] >> I couldn't even sleep, man. I haven't
[00:03:52.319] I've only slept maybe an hour.
[00:03:54.080] >> You are about to witness history. 50
[00:03:56.879] years of these two Air Force veterans
[00:03:59.280] being apart and now they get to relive
[00:04:02.000] one of the most extraordinary nights of
[00:04:04.239] their lives.
[00:04:05.040] >> You know, you're bringing two pieces of
[00:04:06.480] a story that have never met for 49 years
[00:04:09.760] and now they're like getting to share
[00:04:11.599] notes.
[00:04:12.080] >> And we're not just going to interview
[00:04:14.239] Michael Johnson. He courageously agreed
[00:04:16.799] to go through a full hypnotic regression
[00:04:19.840] on camera. This is a very safe time to
[00:04:24.479] remember.
[00:04:29.360] >> Without further ado, maybe the most
[00:04:31.840] inspirational episode to date with two
[00:04:34.800] of the best men I know. This week's
[00:04:37.759] courageous American Alchemists, Mario
[00:04:40.560] Woods and Michael Johnson. Ignition
[00:04:44.240] sequence.
[00:04:47.280] >> Now, is this possible?
[00:04:49.680] Nothing too unusual about that.
[00:04:53.520] >> Their existence cannot longer be denied.
[00:05:16.479] >> Hello.
[00:05:17.280] >> Hey. Is this Michael? Yeah.
[00:05:19.440] >> June 26th, 2026. 62626.
[00:05:24.320] I call a man I've never met at his job
[00:05:26.880] in the middle of his workday, and I
[00:05:28.800] explain only part of my motivation for
[00:05:31.039] reaching out. Nothing about November 5.
[00:05:33.600] Nothing about a UFO. Michael doesn't
[00:05:36.000] even know my name, let alone the fact
[00:05:38.160] that I have a podcast covering any of
[00:05:40.320] this stuff.
[00:05:41.759] >> Who Who am I talking to now?
[00:05:43.600] >> You're you're talking to Jesse. My
[00:05:46.080] friend was stationed with you at
[00:05:47.919] Ellsworth in 75 and he really wanted to
[00:05:50.479] reconnect and so I wanted to know if I
[00:05:53.600] might be able to patch him in. I think
[00:05:55.120] you'll be excited to hear from him.
[00:05:57.759] >> What's his name?
[00:05:58.639] >> His name's Mario.
[00:06:03.520] >> Mario. Mario. He was taking with me.
[00:06:07.440] >> Yeah, I think he was like um uh I think
[00:06:10.639] he worked with you there.
[00:06:13.840] >> Yeah. Yeah. That name sound for famil,
[00:06:17.199] you know, that's kind of strange because
[00:06:18.479] I've been trying to get a hold of some
[00:06:20.080] some of the guys back there in my time.
[00:06:22.720] Mario. Mario. That's his first name.
[00:06:25.520] >> Yeah, Mario is his first name. His
[00:06:27.039] name's Mario Woods.
[00:06:29.120] >> Woods. Woods. Woods.
[00:06:31.600] >> Would you be down for me to patch him
[00:06:33.440] in? I think he'd be so excited to speak
[00:06:35.280] to you.
[00:06:36.080] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me
[00:06:38.880] check them out, man.
[00:06:40.319] >> Hey, Michael. Mario, you both there?
[00:06:43.039] >> Yeah, I'm here.
[00:06:45.840] Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to
[00:06:48.800] >> man.
[00:06:51.199] >> You remember me? You remember me?
[00:06:55.280] >> We squadron. I said, "Mr. We Squadron."
[00:06:58.720] What? Man, I'm like that name. That name
[00:07:01.440] keep it keep hitting the back of my
[00:07:02.960] head.
[00:07:05.039] >> We were on November 5, November the
[00:07:08.000] 18th, 1977.
[00:07:10.639] >> Uhhuh.
[00:07:11.520] >> You were working vacation relief. And
[00:07:13.919] you did not know anything about the 68th
[00:07:16.400] area. I think you were in the 66th or
[00:07:18.720] 67th area.
[00:07:20.639] >> Uhhuh.
[00:07:21.759] >> And were you? Is that where you were?
[00:07:24.880] >> That That was me.
[00:07:26.800] >> That was me. That was me. Yes, it was.
[00:07:29.520] >> Do you remember what we encountered at
[00:07:31.599] 1:00 in the morning on November 5?
[00:07:35.039] No.
[00:07:35.360] >> On November 5, was that UFO? Was that
[00:07:38.800] UFO?
[00:07:44.720] Do you remember?
[00:07:46.080] >> Yeah, I remember that.
[00:07:47.120] >> Do you remember? Do you remember how
[00:07:48.639] large it was?
[00:07:50.240] >> It was It was big though. I remember. We
[00:07:52.000] saw it. It was It was white.
[00:07:53.440] >> Do you remember what happened?
[00:07:55.599] >> What did I do, man? I just looked at it
[00:07:57.199] like I'm crazy and [ __ ] Like I'm
[00:07:59.599] shitless or something. WHAT?
[00:08:04.960] >> DAMN, that was a long time ago, man.
[00:08:07.599] >> Yeah. 48 and a half years ago looking
[00:08:09.840] for you, man. I want to make sure you've
[00:08:11.520] got my phone number.
[00:08:13.120] >> Okay.
[00:08:13.520] >> Cuz I have put your name out all over
[00:08:16.639] the world.
[00:08:18.000] >> Damn,
[00:08:18.800] >> Michael. You're famous.
[00:08:21.280] >> Yeah, you are.
[00:08:23.520] >> You have been searched for by the damn
[00:08:25.599] FBI, by private investigators, by Arrow
[00:08:29.759] from the Pentagon. And I've got chills
[00:08:32.479] standing here with tears in my damn
[00:08:34.000] eyes. Listen to your voice right now.
[00:08:36.320] Michael, do you remember having seen the
[00:08:38.560] UFO? Like like when you talk to friends
[00:08:41.440] and family, do you say, "Oh, yeah. That
[00:08:43.200] time?"
[00:08:44.080] >> Yeah.
[00:08:44.560] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh. I remember very
[00:08:47.200] well. I tell people that they don't
[00:08:49.680] believe me. They don't believe me. Yeah.
[00:08:51.680] >> How far over the top of the blaster was
[00:08:53.760] it, Michael?
[00:08:55.839] >> Uh, under 50 feet. 50 feet. Maybe. Maybe
[00:08:59.360] a little higher than that. It was a
[00:09:00.800] little higher than that, but it was
[00:09:02.320] close as hell. I remember that. It was
[00:09:04.000] close because it was bright.
[00:09:06.000] Michael, would you be open to
[00:09:08.560] reconnecting with Mario? We could fly
[00:09:11.040] you guys both out to to Austin so you
[00:09:13.680] could meet in person and hang out and
[00:09:15.920] maybe we could film kind of the reunion.
[00:09:19.519] >> Well, yeah, that that that's possible.
[00:09:22.000] That's very possible. You know, I just
[00:09:24.399] want to make sure that my I know my
[00:09:26.880] brain will scramble. So, I'm just trying
[00:09:28.399] to make sure, you know, that uh I'm the
[00:09:31.839] Michael Johnson.
[00:09:33.760] I mean, he said he see my picture on
[00:09:35.200] Facebook because I'm on Facebook, you
[00:09:36.880] know. I'm I'm black now.
[00:09:39.200] >> I know.
[00:09:43.360] >> I've been hopping this black Michael
[00:09:44.880] Johnson for all my life. It seems like
[00:09:46.720] 49 years, but I'm at home for you.
[00:09:48.959] >> Well, I mean,
[00:09:49.760] >> I'm sure there $10,000 spent trying to
[00:09:53.600] locate you.
[00:09:56.800] >> Yeah, but that sound like you saw me
[00:09:59.279] too, you know, because I had a lot of
[00:10:00.959] issues up there in South Dakota. I had a
[00:10:02.800] lot of issues up there, too.
[00:10:07.200] >> I was just down there, 21.
[00:10:10.800] >> I went through all the old areas. I went
[00:10:13.040] through everything.
[00:10:14.160] >> It changed so much. It changed. I mean,
[00:10:16.640] I was up there. I was up there like
[00:10:18.959] seven, eight years ago driving trucks. I
[00:10:20.560] was driving trucks and stuff and I
[00:10:22.079] purposely city and I couldn't I couldn't
[00:10:24.880] find nothing to say. I'm I'm glad you
[00:10:27.360] [ __ ] that up, man. Cuz my mind was
[00:10:28.880] scrambled, man, for a while because I
[00:10:30.560] just damn. I just let it go. I said,
[00:10:32.640] "Nobody believe me anyway."
[00:10:34.560] >> No, I think it was intentional when I
[00:10:36.560] when I took my wife to see I close
[00:10:38.480] encountered the third gun when they did
[00:10:41.440] that scene at the mailbox.
[00:10:44.800] >> Yeah.
[00:10:45.200] >> I just [ __ ] lost my [ __ ] I just had
[00:10:47.600] to get out of that teenager.
[00:10:50.079] >> Nobody believes us, man. Nobody.
[00:10:53.440] >> Yeah. Young guy,
[00:10:56.160] you survived it. You survived it all,
[00:10:59.519] >> man. I've been looking for trouble for
[00:11:02.160] so long, dude.
[00:11:03.600] >> Oh, man. I didn't know that. I didn't
[00:11:06.640] Everywhere I've been everywhere I've
[00:11:08.079] gone, I've always every damn when I got
[00:11:10.640] a computer, you're the first person I've
[00:11:12.640] tried to I search for every
[00:11:16.640] homeboy. Damn, man. Damn.
[00:11:32.959] Mario, how are you, man?
[00:11:36.240] >> Oh, good to see you.
[00:11:40.000] >> Me, too. Hell do that, you know.
[00:11:42.880] >> What's up, bro? How you doing?
[00:11:44.160] >> Good. Good.
[00:11:44.720] >> How are you feeling about seeing Michael
[00:11:47.600] Johnson? What's going through What's
[00:11:49.120] going through your body right now? Man,
[00:11:50.640] all I couldn't even sleep, man. I
[00:11:52.320] haven't I've only slept maybe an hour.
[00:11:54.160] >> Wow.
[00:11:54.480] >> I had restless leg syndrome. I couldn't
[00:11:56.399] I had to walk around that damn plane and
[00:11:58.959] just thinking about it, man. Just just
[00:12:00.800] seeing him again, you know?
[00:12:02.160] >> He was saying uh like they scrambled my
[00:12:06.639] brain. What do you think he meant by
[00:12:08.240] that? I don't think he's got I think
[00:12:10.320] he's pushed so much back himself instead
[00:12:13.440] of instead of allowing it to come
[00:12:15.519] forward and and and
[00:12:18.399] feeling it and then living with it cuz
[00:12:21.360] that's what it comes down to. You can
[00:12:22.959] push [ __ ] back in your brain forever and
[00:12:25.440] and but something will trigger it sooner
[00:12:27.200] or later. Something's going to trigger
[00:12:28.959] whatever that memory is about a person,
[00:12:31.040] a woman, an incident or anything like
[00:12:33.920] that.
[00:12:38.320] Michael, what's happening, man? How you
[00:12:41.120] doing? What's up?
[00:12:44.000] >> What's going on?
[00:12:44.959] >> How you doing?
[00:12:45.600] >> Good. How are you doing?
[00:12:46.800] >> You're doing great now, man.
[00:12:48.320] >> Man, you're in crazy shape. Both you and
[00:12:51.120] Mario.
[00:12:54.320] >> You're about to see Mario, who you've
[00:12:56.160] been separated from for 50 years. What
[00:12:59.040] are you feeling right now?
[00:13:02.160] >> Well, he never he never he never turned
[00:13:03.839] his back on me. He never left me. That's
[00:13:06.240] one thing I could say about the brother.
[00:13:07.600] He's he he's he's an honor man. He he
[00:13:09.920] he's he never forgotten me.
[00:13:14.560] >> What up, bro?
[00:13:18.000] >> Oh, give me a hug.
[00:13:20.800] >> It's been a while.
[00:13:22.240] >> I know, dude.
[00:13:23.279] >> Are you excited to meet Michael?
[00:13:24.800] >> Oh my god. Michael Johnson, man. the guy
[00:13:27.360] that was just like he was like there for
[00:13:30.240] everything, but we never like he was
[00:13:32.079] this mythical creature and and even like
[00:13:34.320] in Mario's last interview, which you
[00:13:36.000] just probably recorded like a month or
[00:13:37.760] two ago, he still like I could I could
[00:13:40.560] feel how much he wants to to see this
[00:13:43.519] man before he dies. And just Jesse just
[00:13:46.000] calls me what 3 4 days ago and goes, "We
[00:13:49.360] found Michael. Get to Austin."
[00:13:51.760] >> And it's so wild too how there's like
[00:13:54.880] truth in fiction. If you watch
[00:13:57.279] Disclosure Day, it's like you have two
[00:13:59.440] people. Yeah. Daniel and Margaret. Yeah.
[00:14:02.079] And they're like two like walking hard
[00:14:04.399] drives with like latent information that
[00:14:06.399] needs to be reactivated and they're
[00:14:08.480] brought together and then like you have
[00:14:09.920] the whole puzzle.
[00:14:11.440] >> The two puzzle pieces are like brought
[00:14:13.199] together.
[00:14:14.079] >> And that's kind of what's happening now.
[00:14:15.760] >> Yeah.
[00:14:16.079] >> It's so wild.
[00:14:23.680] >> It's finally happening, man. Like the
[00:14:25.839] amount of podcasts where you talk about
[00:14:27.519] Michael Jox and wanting to connect with
[00:14:29.600] him and wanting to find him, it's
[00:14:30.880] unbelievable.
[00:14:31.600] >> So, you were thinking about
[00:14:33.279] >> going back to South Dakota.
[00:14:34.639] >> Going back to South Dakota.
[00:14:36.000] >> We retired. Since I retired.
[00:14:37.120] >> And then we got in touch with you.
[00:14:38.639] >> Yeah.
[00:14:39.040] >> Coincidentally,
[00:14:40.079] >> just like that.
[00:14:40.959] >> That's crazy. I'm going to I'm going to
[00:14:42.480] get your door. Hold on.
[00:14:43.760] >> Okay. This is nice, man.
[00:14:45.760] >> How are you feeling?
[00:14:46.800] >> You feeling good?
[00:14:47.839] >> I'm You know, I'm I I will not lie to
[00:14:51.040] you. This is too much. It feel good.
[00:14:54.959] It feel good. Aha.
[00:14:57.199] >> I haven't had one of those in a long
[00:14:58.720] time.
[00:15:00.320] >> Well, let's go.
[00:15:01.519] >> Yeah.
[00:15:02.240] >> Go see Mario.
[00:15:03.839] >> All right.
[00:15:18.639] Look at look
[00:15:20.800] my man.
[00:15:23.519] My front of the man,
[00:15:28.000] my man. All this time. You never forgot
[00:15:30.160] me. You never forgotten me. You never
[00:15:32.079] forgotten me. You never forgot me, bro.
[00:15:35.199] You never forgot me.
[00:15:38.480] >> How you feel, bro? I'm okay now.
[00:15:52.079] >> Man, let me see you.
[00:15:55.440] >> You the only one up there that believe.
[00:15:57.279] You don't have my bank up there. Get up.
[00:16:03.839] >> Oh, thank you. One, don't you? He's
[00:16:07.279] playing
[00:16:09.279] the same say smile say boy everything
[00:16:12.480] about Jesus.
[00:16:16.079] >> Oh man.
[00:16:19.519] >> This guy this guy was real cool with me.
[00:16:22.160] He was real cool. We didn't hang out too
[00:16:24.079] tight all the time because our jobs and
[00:16:26.240] everything. But he would always speaks
[00:16:28.160] to me. He would always speak to me all
[00:16:29.920] the time. What's up? You know
[00:16:31.360] everything. I would see him in my 64 68
[00:16:34.079] Cutless Supreme. you know, going up and
[00:16:36.560] down, you know, Ellsworth
[00:16:38.480] >> in my TR6.
[00:16:39.759] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every day, man.
[00:16:46.560] >> I heard you've been looking for me, man.
[00:16:48.880] >> Looking for you.
[00:16:49.839] >> Yeah. You been looking for Chicago, FBI,
[00:16:53.519] searching for your happy ass. All of
[00:16:55.199] them.
[00:16:56.560] >> Every one of them.
[00:16:57.279] >> You know, there's so many Michael
[00:16:58.320] Johnson's out there.
[00:16:59.600] >> Yeah. And I didn't know your mental
[00:17:00.800] initial either.
[00:17:01.519] >> Yeah. You put that C in there.
[00:17:03.759] describe how you guys are feeling right
[00:17:06.000] now.
[00:17:11.360] >> I want to cry.
[00:17:13.439] I mean, I get I could get emotional, you
[00:17:15.839] know what I'm saying? And everything.
[00:17:17.600] Uh, seeing my brother here, my homeboy,
[00:17:21.039] you know, here. And he he never
[00:17:23.439] forgotten me. It's the best thing. You
[00:17:26.000] know, he kept looking and looking, you
[00:17:28.480] know, he didn't give up on me. He he
[00:17:30.000] felt I was still alive. You know what
[00:17:31.760] I'm saying? We thought, "Okay, so when I
[00:17:35.679] found out and you talked to me about it,
[00:17:37.600] you know, and everything and you
[00:17:39.360] remember I said, "You sure you got the
[00:17:40.720] right Michael Johnson?
[00:17:42.640] >> I'm I'm black." "You sure?" You know
[00:17:45.200] what I'm saying?
[00:17:46.080] >> You know, you know when I knew that he
[00:17:48.080] did find the right Michael Johnson is
[00:17:49.919] when he said, "Do you remember what
[00:17:51.520] happened to us?"
[00:17:53.919] 1977
[00:17:55.600] at November 5. And and then you said,
[00:17:58.559] "Oh, the UFO."
[00:18:00.080] >> Mhm. said 1977 Ellsworth Air Force Base,
[00:18:03.200] November 5. And he said, "Oh, that UFO."
[00:18:05.679] Yeah.
[00:18:06.000] >> And he had he hadn't said anything else,
[00:18:08.240] no other details, and you immediately
[00:18:10.160] said the UFO.
[00:18:11.440] >> Mhm. Yeah.
[00:18:12.240] >> That gave me the chills.
[00:18:14.000] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:18:14.960] >> Michael, what do you remember from from
[00:18:17.520] this, you know, fateful night that that
[00:18:19.440] Mario's obviously been describing this
[00:18:21.840] for years now on end in podcasts? And so
[00:18:25.600] for him, in some ways, it's easier to
[00:18:27.280] remember because he's keeping the memory
[00:18:28.960] alive by retelling it constantly.
[00:18:31.679] >> For you, it's just this thing that
[00:18:33.520] happened to you 50 years ago, and it's
[00:18:35.360] probably a thing due to the way you were
[00:18:36.880] treated by the Air Force that in some
[00:18:39.039] ways you've tried to kind of put behind
[00:18:40.559] you and forget.
[00:18:41.679] >> Mhm.
[00:18:42.080] >> So, what details do you remember?
[00:18:44.000] >> I I do remember the simple fact that
[00:18:46.320] there's a big bright
[00:18:49.039] light in front of us. I do remember that
[00:18:51.600] it come close, it go back out and
[00:18:53.440] everything. All right. I do remember
[00:18:55.520] that cuz I was because I was frozen on
[00:18:58.480] the steering wheel. Frozen on the
[00:18:59.760] steering wheel and everything. And uh,
[00:19:02.799] believe it or not, I heard him talking,
[00:19:04.559] but I couldn't say nothing. I can see it
[00:19:06.640] was like, don't say nothing, you know.
[00:19:09.360] It was like I was just in a trance right
[00:19:11.280] there and everything. He was he was
[00:19:14.000] going off. He was, you know, he was
[00:19:15.679] upset and everything. Want me to say,
[00:19:17.280] did you see that, Michael? Michael,
[00:19:18.480] look. You know, everything. But I
[00:19:20.640] couldn't do it. And so next thing I know
[00:19:22.960] was
[00:19:24.480] my eyes were burning.
[00:19:27.600] It was like I was staring straight ahead
[00:19:29.840] but I couldn't blink. Couldn't blink or
[00:19:32.080] nothing. So I just kind of like
[00:19:35.440] I fade out. I did I passed out on the
[00:19:38.400] steering wheel I assume.
[00:19:40.720] Just passed out and I couldn't think of
[00:19:44.080] anything else to do after that. At that
[00:19:46.080] point right there I was looking around
[00:19:48.640] where I did come to. I looked around. I
[00:19:52.160] seen blurs going around like around the
[00:19:54.880] truck, you know, around the truck and
[00:19:56.720] everything and I just kind of just did
[00:19:59.200] dizzy just fizzle out again. I couldn't
[00:20:02.080] do much, but I do know he was there. He
[00:20:04.799] he got out out of the truck and
[00:20:06.559] everything.
[00:20:07.360] >> Describe the kind of object moving
[00:20:09.840] around the car very quickly. Do you
[00:20:11.840] remember anything about it?
[00:20:13.120] >> Like it was a human form. It was like in
[00:20:14.559] a human form.
[00:20:16.080] >> Human form.
[00:20:17.120] >> Like in a human form. pointed head like
[00:20:19.520] point dexter type, you know.
[00:20:21.200] >> Interesting. And do you remember
[00:20:23.760] anything else? Any other details?
[00:20:26.559] >> Don't fear. Don't don't something like
[00:20:28.400] don't fear. Don't don't don't worry.
[00:20:30.480] Don't you know something to that point?
[00:20:32.080] Don't worry. Don't worry. Everything.
[00:20:34.880] But I couldn't concentrate cuz you're
[00:20:36.960] blaring around me. You're going around
[00:20:38.720] me and everything.
[00:20:44.720] Mario Woods, you've been telling the
[00:20:47.039] story of what happened to you in
[00:20:48.720] November of 1977 at Ellsworth Air Force
[00:20:51.840] Base since 1996.
[00:20:54.480] >> That's correct.
[00:20:55.360] >> And you have one of the most detailed
[00:20:57.600] accounts I've ever heard. The only hole
[00:21:00.720] missing in it is your partner who is now
[00:21:04.640] sitting alongside you. So, for the first
[00:21:06.720] time, we'd love to hear your story of
[00:21:10.000] what happened to you with Michael
[00:21:11.840] Johnson sitting next to you.
[00:21:13.600] >> That's awesome. And I'll be happy to
[00:21:15.360] tell it. But let's just go back to the
[00:21:17.280] day. My our day started going to the
[00:21:19.280] SATA building, which security police uh
[00:21:23.840] main office facility, which was a
[00:21:26.320] reconditioned hanger. You know, all the
[00:21:28.400] shifts are there together. We line up in
[00:21:30.640] position. You know, we're
[00:21:32.159] >> we get our briefing, what's going on in
[00:21:34.080] the field. We had the American Indian
[00:21:36.159] Movement at the time. They were doing
[00:21:37.520] some stuff. So they
[00:21:38.400] >> real crazy.
[00:21:39.120] >> They kept us ab breast of all that. You
[00:21:40.799] know, there were threats on Mount
[00:21:41.919] Rushmore and they wanted to detonate a
[00:21:44.159] site or they wanted to do something. But
[00:21:46.080] we met that day at Garmount cuz my team
[00:21:49.120] member Steve Welsh, that's his name,
[00:21:52.400] young guy. He went home in North
[00:21:54.080] Carolina to get married. So when we went
[00:21:56.080] back to the field, he would he was on
[00:21:57.919] vacation and they sent Michael to work
[00:22:00.240] his days off on our shift, his commander
[00:22:03.679] option day. We we got to meet, shake
[00:22:06.400] hands, talk a little bit. I didn't know
[00:22:08.080] him prior to that time. I'd seen him
[00:22:09.520] around cuz he was a car enthusiast. He
[00:22:11.840] saw my TR6 Triumph convertible. He liked
[00:22:14.400] that. We talked about it.
[00:22:16.159] >> I had my cut list. I said, "Yeah."
[00:22:18.400] >> So we were good to go and we came out to
[00:22:20.640] the site and we talked. I stayed up. I
[00:22:23.600] can't remember if you went and laid down
[00:22:24.960] for a while. We worked at 6:00 p.m. to
[00:22:26.720] 6:00 a.m.
[00:22:27.280] >> I was looking at TV.
[00:22:28.720] >> Yeah,
[00:22:29.120] >> I was looking at Barnaby Jones or
[00:22:31.440] >> Yeah.
[00:22:31.760] >> the Rockford files or something.
[00:22:33.360] >> Yeah.
[00:22:48.559] Should be fine for a while.
[00:22:56.000] Come on out here, man. You got to see
[00:22:57.520] this.
[00:22:59.760] >> I didn't want to be out there.
[00:23:01.360] >> Mario, he was just gungho, man.
[00:23:03.120] >> Right. Right. Look at this. Look at
[00:23:04.159] this. Yeah, man. Yeah. You know what I'm
[00:23:05.840] saying? Because there's nothing out
[00:23:07.360] there but parry dogs, rattlesnakes.
[00:23:09.840] >> I don't want to see all that.
[00:23:18.480] >> Unreeded van. You do on the call 30 is
[00:23:21.919] mine. The dead in there from Kel.
[00:23:26.240] >> Everything was going really normal.
[00:23:28.080] Nothing out of hand, nothing strange.
[00:23:32.080] At about 9:15, I just took a notion to
[00:23:34.320] go outside and smoke a cigarette.
[00:23:37.039] And I'm just looking around. It's a
[00:23:38.480] super clear night, super cold, and
[00:23:40.880] nothing was out of place. And I just
[00:23:42.480] happen to look to the east, really
[00:23:45.120] directly east, and I see this big old
[00:23:48.720] light in the sky. Different color, a
[00:23:51.760] different gradient of a light.
[00:23:55.280] Do you mind if I flip my lights at this
[00:23:56.799] thing?
[00:23:57.760] >> In no successive form or no phonetic
[00:24:00.480] alphabet or anything. I just flipped the
[00:24:02.080] thing off and on, off and on, off and on
[00:24:03.840] three times.
[00:24:07.360] And I just walked outside kind of quick,
[00:24:09.200] not even knowing I'd get a response or I
[00:24:11.279] didn't expect one. About 30 seconds
[00:24:14.159] passed and all a sudden it went off,
[00:24:16.799] came on,
[00:24:19.200] went off, came on.
[00:24:22.320] >> Thinking he just shared a friendly,
[00:24:24.080] unconventional exchange, he goes back to
[00:24:26.400] his business. That is until just after
[00:24:29.279] midnight.
[00:24:34.640] All of a sudden, I hear the alert phone
[00:24:37.120] in the flight security controller's
[00:24:38.960] office go off.
[00:24:40.000] >> Yes, sir.
[00:24:40.559] >> I hear sit 4 November 5.
[00:24:45.520] >> An inner and outer zone alarm all at
[00:24:47.919] once, above ground and below ground.
[00:24:50.880] Something is directly in the vicinity of
[00:24:53.120] the most destructive weapon on the
[00:24:55.120] planet.
[00:25:00.720] We go to the end of the road, which is a
[00:25:03.200] dirt or clay road. No other traffic,
[00:25:05.919] just us. We're the only thing out there.
[00:25:12.799] I just happen to look over about the
[00:25:14.240] 4:00 position. In the far distance in
[00:25:17.760] the direction of November 5, I see this
[00:25:20.880] glow coming up off the ground, just
[00:25:23.520] pulsating.
[00:25:27.200] And he goes,
[00:25:28.080] >> "Mhm." Yeah.
[00:25:28.960] >> What did you say?
[00:25:30.159] >> Whatever, man.
[00:25:34.159] >> That's exactly what he said.
[00:25:35.600] >> Whatever.
[00:25:39.600] >> As we dropped off the onto the dirt road
[00:25:42.320] and just barely started to crank left,
[00:25:44.640] there sat this object.
[00:25:52.320] And I said, "Look at that.
[00:25:58.960] I don't even know what Michael said at
[00:26:00.559] that point. I said, "Look at that. What
[00:26:02.240] are What are we supposed to do with
[00:26:03.840] that?"
[00:26:04.880] >> I said, "I ain't going to tell you what
[00:26:06.080] I said."
[00:26:06.960] >> What did you say, Michael?
[00:26:08.400] >> I I said, "I ain't going to tell what I
[00:26:09.840] said." You know, it's just I can't I
[00:26:11.840] don't think I can say it.
[00:26:13.360] >> You're going to say it. Yeah.
[00:26:14.880] >> [ __ ] [ __ ] What is that?
[00:26:17.120] >> That's what I said. That's exactly what
[00:26:18.559] I said. What [ __ ] What is the [ __ ]
[00:26:21.200] What is that? Just like that.
[00:26:23.440] But
[00:26:23.919] >> that's the natural reaction.
[00:26:25.520] >> Mhm. Mhm.
[00:26:26.240] >> It honestly was.
[00:26:32.000] >> We pull up at a 45° angle.
[00:26:34.080] >> Mhm.
[00:26:35.279] >> I did. Turn it 45
[00:26:36.640] >> with a great question in both of our
[00:26:38.080] minds. And as soon as we stopped the
[00:26:40.720] vehicle
[00:26:43.760] and just tried to take in the magnitude
[00:26:45.440] of what was above us, this damn thing,
[00:26:49.120] man, this light just went or the glow or
[00:26:52.720] whatever it was just
[00:26:54.159] >> sunshine bright
[00:26:55.520] >> blew down on us like
[00:26:57.600] >> it came down like that.
[00:26:59.440] >> It was just like a shield of light. Just
[00:27:03.120] just encompassed everything and
[00:27:05.520] everything about us. It lit up stuff
[00:27:08.080] that has probably never had light on it.
[00:27:10.559] I don't think that's just how how
[00:27:13.360] permeating it is. I felt as if, you
[00:27:16.559] know, there was light shining through
[00:27:18.080] parts of my body or something.
[00:27:20.159] >> It took up the whole missile site, man.
[00:27:21.679] Took up the whole everything. It covers
[00:27:24.080] everything.
[00:27:24.400] >> The diameter of that thing was so big
[00:27:25.919] that it actually exceeded the perimeters
[00:27:28.559] of the fence line.
[00:27:29.679] >> I mean, it was blowing my mind, too. I
[00:27:31.840] was still
[00:27:32.480] >> And he was on the steering wheel just
[00:27:33.760] like that. You You were grabbing on that
[00:27:35.440] steering wheel. I want to take that 45
[00:27:36.799] angle and go elsewhere. You know, I want
[00:27:38.559] to take off. You know what I'm saying? I
[00:27:40.480] want to take off. You know, Rusty
[00:27:43.200] Wallace type turn that go. I couldn't do
[00:27:46.159] it.
[00:27:46.880] >> As soon as that light hit us, it was as
[00:27:49.039] there was a pressure placed upon us. Uh
[00:27:52.880] right on your front of your body, like
[00:27:56.000] pressure like something pushing on my
[00:27:57.919] chest and I was having trouble breathing
[00:27:59.520] and I never had any any issues
[00:28:01.840] whatsoever. And him too, we couldn't
[00:28:03.919] breathe. cubes as if the air was being
[00:28:06.640] sucked away from us,
[00:28:07.919] >> sucked out of
[00:28:08.559] >> vacuumed out. But yet there was an there
[00:28:10.480] was a a pressure exerting some kind of
[00:28:13.279] energy or force
[00:28:14.960] >> and I felt like I was even with a parka
[00:28:17.039] and flight pants and bunny boots and
[00:28:19.120] everything we had on. I still felt as if
[00:28:21.760] I was being lifted up toward into the
[00:28:24.559] back window. I felt like everything was
[00:28:26.399] rising
[00:28:27.919] and this light is so permeating that in
[00:28:30.240] that seated position. I looked and I
[00:28:33.679] looked right down the center vent of
[00:28:36.080] that dashboard. Remember there's two
[00:28:37.760] vents and there's one on this side, one
[00:28:39.360] on that side and you got the heater
[00:28:40.480] vents on the floor. Black rubber mats
[00:28:43.600] and I looked at that vent just for a
[00:28:45.919] flash and I could see way down in there
[00:28:48.000] and then I pick up these particles that
[00:28:50.399] I thought was glitter which didn't make
[00:28:52.640] any sense at all of what what's going
[00:28:54.480] on. I mean, and I just watched him just
[00:28:57.200] move by. So, I just looked at him. I
[00:29:00.480] just looked. I don't even know if I said
[00:29:01.760] anything at that time, but I know we
[00:29:03.279] couldn't breathe. And I knew I had to do
[00:29:05.039] something. So, without saying a word,
[00:29:08.480] I said I said, "Hold on a second." I
[00:29:10.799] just rolled the window down. I took my
[00:29:13.520] glove off of this hand. My trigger guard
[00:29:15.520] was open on my weapon so I could use it
[00:29:17.200] with my left hand and my forefinger.
[00:29:19.279] That's the kind that's what they were
[00:29:20.480] designed to do.
[00:29:23.360] And I got my black three cell 3D del
[00:29:26.960] flashlight
[00:29:29.440] as I pulled myself up on that window and
[00:29:32.480] I reached out in my left hand in front
[00:29:34.399] of me like this and I put it up and
[00:29:35.919] grabbed the light bar, the bubble above
[00:29:38.399] me and held on to that and I took my
[00:29:40.480] flashlight and I just flashed my
[00:29:42.399] flashlight at it three, four times like
[00:29:44.640] that just like I did at the side. Not
[00:29:47.039] even I couldn't even see if it was
[00:29:49.360] working. I just kept flashing my light
[00:29:50.960] at it. I was just asking for relief.
[00:29:54.320] Okay, it's that's us. I'm just asking
[00:29:56.080] for relief.
[00:29:59.520] And when I did that and I felt as if I
[00:30:01.520] succeeded, I just slid back down in the
[00:30:03.919] seat and I rolled that window up, not
[00:30:06.960] knowing anything else. I don't know
[00:30:09.120] where my flashlight went, but I grabbed
[00:30:10.480] my weapon and I put it between me and I
[00:30:12.159] said, "Michael," I leaned over and I
[00:30:13.760] said, "We can breathe now. It's going to
[00:30:15.520] be okay."
[00:30:16.480] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:30:18.399] >> He's He's just like this. I'm on the
[00:30:20.799] steering wheel.
[00:30:21.520] >> He's just like that on that steering
[00:30:22.720] wheel. I don't know if he's looking up
[00:30:24.159] or down or anything. And in the flash of
[00:30:26.159] a second, no sooner than I said that.
[00:30:29.440] This this black ball just comes out of
[00:30:33.279] nowhere. And honestly, it was between
[00:30:36.000] four and six feet in diameter, like a
[00:30:40.159] like a big beach ball with vents on it
[00:30:42.559] and of a black color that like not like
[00:30:45.200] these microphone booms, but a different
[00:30:47.679] black than anything any color or any
[00:30:50.159] blackness you've ever seen.
[00:30:51.520] >> It was scary black. It was just so dark,
[00:30:53.520] but damn, it was damp. It was just
[00:30:56.559] it I couldn't see myself in it.
[00:30:59.279] >> You don't have words for it. You don't
[00:31:00.880] You can't explain it. You normally look
[00:31:02.960] at it and think what how what is that?
[00:31:05.120] How is that? How can it be that color?
[00:31:07.440] >> Maybe like almost like a tear in the
[00:31:09.279] fabric of reality itself
[00:31:10.559] >> possibly.
[00:31:12.240] Or yeah, a hole opening up in that
[00:31:14.960] blackness or something. I don't know. I
[00:31:16.640] don't know. But I know it was a ball
[00:31:19.840] four to six feet in diameter with his
[00:31:21.679] strange lines on it like vents. And it
[00:31:24.559] just sat down in front of that hood
[00:31:26.880] about that high above that dark blue
[00:31:28.880] hood on that four. It sat there for
[00:31:31.360] about three seconds and then it just
[00:31:33.200] went right over here beside me over
[00:31:36.720] there beside him in the back to this
[00:31:40.480] side in front of him again back to this
[00:31:42.559] side in front of him again. Sat right
[00:31:44.080] there and it just went
[00:31:46.240] and it was gone. I didn't even know that
[00:31:48.000] it left. It just left my visual
[00:31:52.080] radius at that time.
[00:31:55.840] And uh I I just went, "What the hell
[00:31:59.840] was that?" He's not saying anything.
[00:32:01.440] >> I'm just saying that I'm scared
[00:32:02.320] shitless.
[00:32:03.679] >> And then this smell
[00:32:06.000] just with the windows up, this smell
[00:32:08.559] just gets inside that vehicle and I
[00:32:10.720] went, "What is that?" And I didn't have
[00:32:13.840] I don't know. It's like sulfur and
[00:32:15.679] ammonia, like bad shrimp in a cooler.
[00:32:18.799] And I've smelled that before and it just
[00:32:21.279] threw my mind right into that time
[00:32:22.960] frame.
[00:32:25.200] I'm I'm trying to say something to him,
[00:32:28.240] but he's not hearing me or I'm talking
[00:32:30.480] just I'm just talking out loud, I guess.
[00:32:32.799] I'm just trying to make some sense of
[00:32:34.399] everything.
[00:32:35.360] >> I was I was out. I mean, I couldn't do
[00:32:38.159] nothing at that time. I couldn't do
[00:32:39.919] nothing.
[00:32:41.519] My eyes was hurting my head, but I heard
[00:32:45.279] you talking,
[00:32:47.760] but I couldn't respond.
[00:32:50.559] I was stuck
[00:32:54.480] >> and I got a really strange feeling on
[00:32:56.880] the on the right side of the vehicle and
[00:32:58.880] that and I thought that was the safe
[00:33:01.200] place. You know, the the craft is here.
[00:33:04.399] Whatever it is you call whatever it is,
[00:33:06.480] it's it's to the left. It's closer to
[00:33:08.240] him than it is me. But I got a feeling
[00:33:11.120] on this side of me
[00:33:13.919] and without looking first, the first
[00:33:16.080] thing I hear is from low to high. Do not
[00:33:20.640] fear. Do not fear. At that particular
[00:33:24.559] moment in time, I just I just turn to my
[00:33:27.679] right like this just looking. And I just
[00:33:29.760] see these shadows from about 20 ft away.
[00:33:32.799] And I'm trying to I'm trying to focus on
[00:33:35.200] what I'm looking at. And as they
[00:33:37.200] approached me, there was three small
[00:33:40.559] ones and one tall one in the back. And
[00:33:42.559] he was about a foot and a half behind
[00:33:45.279] the three in the front.
[00:33:51.760] And the small one on the right, he had
[00:33:54.000] they had they were in uniforms and they
[00:33:55.840] had on his little waistband or a little
[00:33:58.320] waist some kind of thing in his waist
[00:33:59.760] and it was a little rod about that long,
[00:34:02.240] 8 10 in long. It reminded me of a of one
[00:34:05.360] of those 5 cent pencil erasers we used
[00:34:07.760] to get in elementary school. Cost us 5
[00:34:09.919] cent. Had a big eraser on one end of it.
[00:34:12.079] A yellow pencil. His face or his head
[00:34:15.520] was shaped differently than the three in
[00:34:18.240] the front.
[00:34:20.240] And I I felt fear when I saw that one. I
[00:34:23.679] didn't fear I didn't feel fear with the
[00:34:26.159] smaller ones, but I did with him.
[00:34:31.520] And it was at that moment in in my in my
[00:34:35.520] time in my head.
[00:34:38.159] It wasn't what I it wasn't what I was
[00:34:40.960] seeing
[00:34:42.800] that did what it did to me. It was the
[00:34:46.079] nancond of time it took for me to
[00:34:48.159] register what I'm what I'm seeing.
[00:34:51.359] >> What was the head shaped like on the big
[00:34:54.079] one?
[00:34:55.280] uh a more pronounced jaw, a smaller li
[00:34:59.680] smaller lip line, eyes at a little
[00:35:02.160] different angle, and they all had large
[00:35:04.560] black almond shaped eyes. The small ones
[00:35:07.280] did too. They just weren't as large as
[00:35:09.040] the as the taller one behind them. But
[00:35:11.440] his facial construction was different
[00:35:14.000] than the three small ones in front of
[00:35:16.720] him. And as I said, they weren't
[00:35:18.560] walking. They were s they were gliding
[00:35:21.040] in some way. And they weren't fast. They
[00:35:23.119] weren't slow. They were just just moving
[00:35:25.119] steadily. And of course that fear
[00:35:28.880] just built up in me because I knew they
[00:35:31.760] were coming and there wasn't anything
[00:35:33.920] that I could do nor would I do. I
[00:35:35.839] couldn't shoot them. I wouldn't shoot
[00:35:37.440] them. And the last thing that I remember
[00:35:40.240] was just my vision
[00:35:42.960] just getting smaller and smaller and
[00:35:44.800] smaller and then it just went black.
[00:35:55.200] When Mario comes too, the missile site
[00:35:57.599] is gone. The truck is parked behind the
[00:36:00.160] wall of a reservoir dam near a town
[00:36:02.480] called Newell, more than 8 miles from
[00:36:04.720] their post.
[00:36:09.680] His boots sink into mud in a field that
[00:36:12.320] should be frozen solid.
[00:36:15.520] Something very hot had clearly just been
[00:36:18.000] on the ground next to the truck. His
[00:36:21.200] watch says it's around 6 a.m. At least 5
[00:36:24.960] hours of their lives gone, never to be
[00:36:28.160] recovered.
[00:36:30.240] And still in the driver's seat is
[00:36:32.320] Michael, breathing heavy, eyes open,
[00:36:34.800] hands gripping the wheel tightly, but
[00:36:36.800] totally unresponsive, as if he's
[00:36:39.280] catatonic.
[00:36:40.800] >> WHERE'S NOVEMBER FIVE? As I'm
[00:36:42.640] contemplating what I just stepped in,
[00:36:44.160] all of a sudden that radio, that motor
[00:36:45.520] roll radio with that little microphone
[00:36:47.040] hanging on the dash, popped the lights
[00:36:48.560] and said,
[00:36:49.280] >> Wind security control to November 1.
[00:36:50.880] November one, what's your location?
[00:36:52.960] >> And he said, November 1, do you need
[00:36:54.960] medical help?
[00:36:56.960] And I said, I don't, but I'm not certain
[00:36:59.440] if my partner
[00:37:01.599] >> uh needs it or not. And the whole radio
[00:37:04.400] network just went silent for a minute
[00:37:06.640] because all these other sites and wing
[00:37:08.480] security control and all these other
[00:37:10.079] flight security controllers, all these
[00:37:11.760] other security policemen are hearing
[00:37:13.119] everything that we're we're talking
[00:37:14.400] about. Everybody
[00:37:19.359] >> security.
[00:37:20.560] >> So I was instructed to do one minute
[00:37:22.400] security checks as they were going to
[00:37:24.240] triangulate our position.
[00:37:26.640] >> We're dispatching a recovery team.
[00:37:28.079] Maintain one minute security checks.
[00:37:29.680] >> Yes, sir.
[00:37:30.960] The rescue team comes to their location.
[00:37:33.359] Sheriff's deputies out of a local town
[00:37:35.520] called Sturgis. A state trooper comes as
[00:37:38.320] well.
[00:37:39.920] I didn't know this till 2021
[00:37:42.560] was that uh two deputy sheriffs had been
[00:37:45.520] dispatched from Sturgis, South Dakota by
[00:37:48.079] request of the wings of wing security
[00:37:49.920] control on base 55 miles away compared
[00:37:54.000] to where Sturgis is. Sturgis is 29 miles
[00:37:57.760] south of Newell. and a state trooper who
[00:38:00.640] that was his area. And he heard his
[00:38:02.800] father say, not knowing anything about
[00:38:04.880] anything. Well, why do you want me to go
[00:38:07.440] look for for them? They're they're
[00:38:09.760] better equipped than I am for something
[00:38:12.240] like that, whatever that was.
[00:38:14.240] >> Why do civilian deputies matter? Because
[00:38:16.560] the Air Force controls Air Force paper.
[00:38:19.119] It does not control the me county
[00:38:21.040] sheriff's dispatch log. If those records
[00:38:23.440] survive, this story has a document with
[00:38:25.680] a date on it.
[00:38:28.240] when Sergeant Garza pulled up said,
[00:38:30.000] "What's going on?" He said, "Mario, I
[00:38:32.160] can't talk to you about this." He said,
[00:38:33.839] "I'm just here to escort you back to
[00:38:35.599] November control." Followed them back to
[00:38:38.240] the launch control facility. I pulled in
[00:38:41.119] right in front of the flight security
[00:38:42.320] controllers office and they just
[00:38:44.320] descended upon the vehicle.
[00:38:45.839] >> I don't know what's wrong with Michael.
[00:38:47.040] >> I said, "I don't know what's wrong with
[00:38:48.079] Michael." I said, "I can't get him to
[00:38:49.520] speak."
[00:38:53.200] They took me into the day room. They
[00:38:54.800] started banging me with questions.
[00:38:56.480] Everything was just at one time coming
[00:38:58.079] from every space in my mind. And I just
[00:39:01.280] went and sat on the toilet.
[00:39:05.920] All of a sudden, I get this ringing in
[00:39:07.760] my ears. When it happened, everything
[00:39:10.400] turned like lime green to me. I closed
[00:39:13.359] my eyes and when I did, I had this
[00:39:16.079] feeling I was leaving my body.
[00:39:20.000] And when I opened my eyes that last
[00:39:21.680] time, I saw four fuzzy feet walking by.
[00:39:24.960] pause walking by the bottom of that
[00:39:26.960] door. That was a dog handler and his
[00:39:29.040] drug dog.
[00:39:29.599] >> I'll be out in just a minute. Yeah, no
[00:39:31.119] worries, man. You're all good. Just came
[00:39:32.400] in to check on you.
[00:39:33.280] >> I opened up the stall door and I just
[00:39:35.040] went to the sink and I just turned that
[00:39:36.880] faucet on. It's ice cold water and I
[00:39:38.720] just drowned myself in water. I was just
[00:39:40.560] soaking wet.
[00:39:42.240] >> What' you do? Take a bath?
[00:39:44.160] >> And off we went to Ellsworth.
[00:39:49.920] Michael and Mario are taken separately
[00:39:52.000] back to the base and interrogated apart.
[00:39:55.119] >> Sounds as if you've had an interesting
[00:39:56.640] evening.
[00:39:57.520] >> Michael goes to medical first. Michael,
[00:40:01.760] >> when was the first moment, if you
[00:40:04.800] recall, where you were kind of yourself
[00:40:07.680] again, where you had come to after you
[00:40:09.680] were in this sort of kind of catatonic
[00:40:12.079] state, you were kind of stuck to the
[00:40:13.520] steering wheel. At what point are you
[00:40:15.599] like, you know, shake it off. I'm I'm
[00:40:18.720] I'm back to my normal self. And then at
[00:40:21.359] that moment,
[00:40:23.119] what do you think just happened to you?
[00:40:25.119] Are you thinking about like, you know,
[00:40:26.800] do you have theories as to what happened
[00:40:28.960] to you?
[00:40:29.760] >> Well, after they took me out, picked
[00:40:32.000] took me out of the truck and everything
[00:40:33.920] and everything and uh I remember the LT
[00:40:36.880] on one side and uh I forgot who's the
[00:40:39.839] who's who's on the other side.
[00:40:41.200] >> He's a facility manager, tech or master
[00:40:43.200] sergeant.
[00:40:43.680] >> Mhm. Mhm. They they would drive me back
[00:40:45.760] to the to the base.
[00:40:47.200] >> I wonder did they take you to Colonel
[00:40:49.200] Spreaker's office or they take you to
[00:40:51.200] medical?
[00:40:52.079] >> No, first I went to medical.
[00:40:54.560] >> Okay. Cuz that means you were there
[00:40:56.480] before I was there. Well, I was being
[00:40:57.839] interviewed
[00:40:58.800] >> because I left just a few minutes before
[00:41:00.480] you did.
[00:41:01.040] >> Yeah. That's why I was coming together,
[00:41:02.319] get myself together then,
[00:41:04.079] >> you know, after that right there. But I
[00:41:06.000] was still out of it. But, you know, I
[00:41:07.920] was able to get around, move around and
[00:41:10.160] everything and be puzzled. What the
[00:41:12.480] hell, man? You know what I'm saying?
[00:41:14.560] What the hell?
[00:41:15.599] >> I assume also you probably
[00:41:18.079] >> upon preliminary assessment, you
[00:41:19.680] probably needed the medical attention
[00:41:21.280] sooner because you were in in proper
[00:41:23.040] shock. So, it makes sense that you would
[00:41:24.880] be taken up. Do you remember what was
[00:41:26.960] what the medical procedure was like?
[00:41:28.400] >> I just remember I just remember they
[00:41:30.240] shot some some in me uh something in my
[00:41:33.359] vein and stuff and uh
[00:41:36.400] like a little small physical like
[00:41:37.760] they'll give me a physical, you know,
[00:41:39.520] everything. I remember that very well
[00:41:41.680] because it hurt me. It sting me, you
[00:41:43.200] know. Oh, you know like that. I do know
[00:41:45.760] that for a fact. I do know that. Check
[00:41:47.920] my eyes out because my eyes was they
[00:41:49.440] said your eyes are you can you see? Are
[00:41:51.359] you having part? Yeah. I said well maybe
[00:41:53.599] I did have some part of my eyes cuz my
[00:41:55.200] eyes was hurting me bad. They didn't
[00:41:57.280] give me anything for my head. My head
[00:41:58.640] was burning like my brain inside it was
[00:42:01.440] hot you know. I was like I had the
[00:42:03.119] migraine or something.
[00:42:04.400] >> Did they ever say anything about sodium
[00:42:06.480] pentathol?
[00:42:07.359] >> Yeah they did.
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[00:43:41.359] anything about sodium pentathol?
[00:43:43.119] >> Yeah, they did. They did mention that.
[00:43:44.720] Yeah,
[00:43:45.440] >> because sodium pentathol is truth serum.
[00:43:47.760] And there's another famous case at Royal
[00:43:50.480] Air Force Bentwaters. Uh, and this is
[00:43:52.960] called the Rendlessham Forest case. And
[00:43:55.359] the three US Air Force officers who were
[00:43:58.240] involved in this case all went back and
[00:44:00.400] they were given truth serum to see if
[00:44:02.319] they could sort of, you know, retell
[00:44:04.319] everything that they that they, you
[00:44:06.160] know, experienced.
[00:44:07.119] >> Right.
[00:44:07.680] >> You said something really interesting to
[00:44:09.440] me on the phone, and I think Mario was
[00:44:11.520] there, too. You said, "They scrambled my
[00:44:13.599] brain."
[00:44:14.240] >> I'm glad you brought that up, man, cuz
[00:44:15.839] my mind was scrambled. I know my brain
[00:44:17.599] was scrambled, man. My brain was
[00:44:19.839] scrambled. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:21.839] >> Do you remember anything like that?
[00:44:24.480] >> That's how it felt. That's how that's
[00:44:26.000] how it felt. It really felt like that.
[00:44:27.839] Like uh when they did when they when
[00:44:30.560] that was happen to me, I didn't know who
[00:44:33.599] I was. I didn't know where I've been.
[00:44:37.440] I didn't know my family.
[00:44:39.119] >> It was like they tried to erase you your
[00:44:42.079] identity or something a little bit.
[00:44:43.680] everything. You know, the people I knew
[00:44:45.599] on post, you know what I'm saying?
[00:44:47.760] >> The other context of sodium pentathol in
[00:44:50.000] which it's used was like CIA mind
[00:44:52.240] control experiments.
[00:44:54.000] >> And so I wonder if they were trying to
[00:44:56.160] get you to forget the experience.
[00:44:58.960] >> I'm still puzzled why that lady stuck me
[00:45:01.440] that needle and everything we talked
[00:45:03.280] about and everything and felt funny. It
[00:45:05.599] was burning in my arm and everything,
[00:45:07.760] but uh I was worried about that for a
[00:45:09.760] long time. You know, was it something
[00:45:11.520] LSD or something or whatever?
[00:45:14.160] >> What did you feel that doing to you
[00:45:16.160] physiologically or mentally? Like what
[00:45:18.240] did you feel the the liquid?
[00:45:20.240] >> Huh?
[00:45:21.119] >> Really?
[00:45:22.000] >> Mhm.
[00:45:23.520] >> And you remember them talking about
[00:45:25.119] sodium pentathol specifically? That is
[00:45:27.119] wild.
[00:45:27.680] >> Mhm.
[00:45:28.079] >> I mean, that's definitely a truth serum
[00:45:30.800] and that they used that in other
[00:45:32.400] contexts when it came to, you know,
[00:45:34.240] nuclear UFO cases. So,
[00:45:36.160] >> Mhm. I remember that. wild.
[00:45:40.720] Just after his abduction, Michael
[00:45:43.200] noticed that his right arm was sore. In
[00:45:46.319] fact, it was really weak and he could
[00:45:48.240] barely use it. Nothing torn or broken.
[00:45:52.319] Since then, and despite being
[00:45:54.319] right-handed, his right arm works less
[00:45:56.880] well than his left. It's literally
[00:45:59.040] weaker despite being the dominant hand.
[00:46:01.760] This is the kind of minute detail that
[00:46:04.079] nobody would ever bother to invent,
[00:46:06.480] especially somebody that we had to seek
[00:46:08.720] out.
[00:46:15.359] Were they all flight surgeons or were
[00:46:18.000] there anybody in like more interesting
[00:46:20.640] official suits or tweed suits or
[00:46:23.200] uniforms or
[00:46:24.240] >> I think it was an OSI in there too.
[00:46:26.160] >> Okay.
[00:46:27.680] >> Special investigation office special. I
[00:46:29.200] think it was there's one in there too.
[00:46:30.640] Mhm.
[00:46:31.200] >> Do you remember a tall man in a tweed
[00:46:33.040] suit?
[00:46:33.440] >> Yeah,
[00:46:33.839] >> you do.
[00:46:34.560] >> Mhm. Mhm.
[00:46:35.920] >> Do you remember anything about him?
[00:46:37.280] >> No, I thought he he he reminded me of my
[00:46:39.280] base commander, uh my squadron
[00:46:41.839] commander, uh Colonel, I can't remember
[00:46:43.760] his last name.
[00:46:44.560] >> Which which base?
[00:46:45.760] >> No, Ellsworth. Ellsworth.
[00:46:48.160] >> Really?
[00:46:48.560] >> Yeah.
[00:46:49.839] >> Was the man in the tweet soup fat or
[00:46:51.520] skinny?
[00:46:52.160] >> Skinny. He was He was a light bird. He
[00:46:54.640] was a light bird. This guy was a light
[00:46:56.240] bird. He kind of like a peacock, you
[00:46:58.400] know? H
[00:46:59.599] >> kind of like a
[00:47:00.319] >> he goes very skinny though.
[00:47:01.839] >> That's what I'm saying. Peacock, you
[00:47:03.200] know they they like that. You know, his
[00:47:04.880] neck along and everything, you know, her
[00:47:07.359] grace on top and everything.
[00:47:08.720] >> And you felt like like the intention
[00:47:10.160] that you felt in the room, you were like
[00:47:12.560] you felt like they were trying to figure
[00:47:15.200] out what happened or or kind of mess
[00:47:17.280] with you in a way where it was like we
[00:47:19.520] don't want Michael to recall this.
[00:47:22.480] >> I think a little of both.
[00:47:23.760] >> A little bit of both.
[00:47:24.480] >> They're trying to feed me everything.
[00:47:26.240] They were trying to feed me info and
[00:47:27.920] then try to take it away from me.
[00:47:29.440] >> Do you remember the info they were
[00:47:30.720] trying to feed you?
[00:47:31.680] >> I didn't see nothing.
[00:47:34.079] >> Were you drinking?
[00:47:35.760] >> Yeah, I gotta ask that.
[00:47:37.119] >> They were just gaslighting you.
[00:47:38.720] >> Well, they had a drug dog on the site
[00:47:40.480] before we even got back. So, that had
[00:47:42.240] already been initiated and they had to
[00:47:44.160] come 55 miles away from the base and
[00:47:45.760] main sport base at Ellsworth to go to to
[00:47:47.599] go to November one.
[00:47:48.960] >> You remember the drug dog they brought
[00:47:50.480] to the site?
[00:47:52.480] >> Yeah, I remember a drug dog. Yeah, I
[00:47:54.160] remember that. That's a special phone
[00:47:56.000] call. It just didn't happen.
[00:47:58.000] >> Yeah.
[00:47:59.200] >> And so after so you you experienced this
[00:48:01.599] with these you know flight surgeons and
[00:48:03.599] with Air Force Office of Special
[00:48:05.040] Investigations
[00:48:06.880] and the whole time are you trying to
[00:48:09.680] remember yourself or analyze what had
[00:48:11.760] happened to you or are you confused or
[00:48:13.920] what are you feeling when that's
[00:48:15.280] happening?
[00:48:16.640] >> I'm feeling lost. I'll be honest with
[00:48:18.240] you. I was feeling lost. I feel lost,
[00:48:20.800] scared, everything. And like, you know
[00:48:25.119] what they gonna do with me? What they
[00:48:26.559] going to do with me? I seen what I seen.
[00:48:27.760] I know what I saw. You know what I'm
[00:48:29.680] saying? I know what I saw. You know, and
[00:48:32.240] everything. And I didn't want to uh say
[00:48:35.119] any more than I have to say because they
[00:48:37.839] were kind of drilling me. They were
[00:48:39.119] drilling me. You know, well, how you
[00:48:41.040] feel now? Questions like that. You know
[00:48:43.040] what I'm saying? How you feel right now?
[00:48:45.119] You know, I think they asked one time,
[00:48:46.640] "Do do I get along with my mother?"
[00:48:48.880] Yeah, standard.
[00:48:50.640] >> Okay. Do you get along with your mother?
[00:48:53.040] >> You know, like that in a robe, in the
[00:48:54.640] right robe, you know, and everything
[00:48:56.079] like that. And I'm just like, and the
[00:48:57.680] nurse over there just sitting down, you
[00:48:59.280] know, just sitting there and everything.
[00:49:01.359] >> I said, you know, what this got to do
[00:49:03.520] with what's going on.
[00:49:04.960] >> Sounds like they were looking for holes
[00:49:07.599] or leverage or some sort of diagnosis
[00:49:09.839] that they could point to to explain away
[00:49:12.400] the experience you had just had.
[00:49:14.720] >> Yeah. I I I at that time it makes sense
[00:49:17.040] now what you're saying but at that time
[00:49:18.000] I didn't think like that though I just
[00:49:19.920] think like don't tell me what I didn't
[00:49:21.760] see don't tell me what I don't know what
[00:49:23.760] I seen what I know I remember say where
[00:49:26.079] where's my partner at I remember say
[00:49:27.520] where's my partner at you know don't
[00:49:29.040] worry about him he's okay you know I
[00:49:31.440] said where my partner I said partner you
[00:49:34.160] know where he at worry about you talking
[00:49:37.200] about don't worry about him
[00:49:38.800] >> I said dad said okay woods my partner
[00:49:42.640] Woods don't I still say don't worry You
[00:49:44.960] know, and that that pissed me off right
[00:49:46.720] there. That pissed me off.
[00:49:48.079] >> Me, too.
[00:49:48.640] >> It got me into a to almost a combat mood
[00:49:52.000] and everything. Yeah.
[00:49:53.280] >> You know, like that
[00:49:54.640] >> because, you know, it was half of him
[00:49:57.040] and me. Okay. And everything. I didn't
[00:49:59.760] see him. He was the main one that was
[00:50:01.599] holding me back, you know,
[00:50:03.920] >> for my, you know, being there for my
[00:50:05.200] back. He had my back.
[00:50:07.520] >> State your name.
[00:50:08.319] >> Um, Michael. Michael Johnson.
[00:50:10.800] >> That's right. And nothing happened last
[00:50:12.640] night, did it? Nothing happened.
[00:50:15.200] >> You're going to be okay, airman. Nothing
[00:50:17.359] happened. Nothing happened.
[00:50:19.200] >> Where's my partner? Where's Woods?
[00:50:21.440] >> Don't worry about him. Give him the
[00:50:23.119] sodium pentathol.
[00:50:30.319] >> Nice and easy. Nice and easy, young man.
[00:50:35.280] >> I do remember
[00:50:37.920] I got into this machine. It's like a
[00:50:40.160] shower stall.
[00:50:41.119] >> Okay.
[00:50:41.520] >> Like a shower stall and everything. got
[00:50:43.440] in there and uh they they closed it up.
[00:50:46.559] It was dark inside. I heard humming
[00:50:48.480] sound going while I was in there.
[00:50:50.480] >> Okay.
[00:50:51.040] >> I remember that. I remember that because
[00:50:52.960] I you know this ain't a shower. What I'm
[00:50:54.640] doing in here, you know, my boxer
[00:50:56.319] shorts, you know.
[00:50:57.359] >> Yeah.
[00:50:59.359] >> Had you ever seen that before?
[00:51:01.359] >> No, I never seen Never seen that kind of
[00:51:03.040] instrument. Never seen it.
[00:51:04.960] >> Okay.
[00:51:06.000] >> Mario's exam is equally strange. A
[00:51:08.880] flight surgeon spends long minutes on
[00:51:10.960] his gums, his teeth, the floor of his
[00:51:14.079] jaw.
[00:51:14.800] >> Something wrong with my teeth, doc?
[00:51:16.640] >> All the while, Air Force Office of
[00:51:18.480] Special Investigations agents are
[00:51:20.559] listening from behind a partition.
[00:51:23.839] And then the doctor tells Mario
[00:51:25.680] something that he doesn't know yet. He
[00:51:27.680] has burns. Seemingly radioactive burns.
[00:51:31.440] Straight out of Close Encounters of the
[00:51:33.119] Third Kind. He went up here and he just
[00:51:35.359] clipped a piece of skin off there and he
[00:51:36.800] took the whole tool and he stuck it
[00:51:38.319] right down in there and put a cork on
[00:51:39.520] it, laid it on that tray.
[00:51:41.119] >> That tissue entered the United States
[00:51:43.280] government's possession in November of
[00:51:45.359] 1977 and then it was probably
[00:51:48.160] classified. So, the US government has
[00:51:50.480] literally confiscated and classified a
[00:51:53.359] piece of Mario. This piece of skin has
[00:51:55.920] never been accounted for since. So, for
[00:51:58.240] all of you government transparency
[00:52:00.160] hounds and Freedom of Information Act
[00:52:02.480] experts out there, this might be one of
[00:52:04.880] the cleanest records to target in the
[00:52:07.119] entire story.
[00:52:09.040] >> At ease. Now, the debrief room, because
[00:52:12.640] what the Air Force did next tells you a
[00:52:15.280] whole lot about how they treated UFO
[00:52:17.599] incidents on the inside back then. Five
[00:52:21.119] men in the room. the wing commander, the
[00:52:23.520] deputy base commander, agents of the Air
[00:52:25.920] Force Office of Special Investigations,
[00:52:28.319] and a civilian in a gray tweed suit
[00:52:30.880] nobody ever names.
[00:52:35.760] He answers their questions candidly, but
[00:52:38.160] he plays it smart when it comes to what
[00:52:40.079] he saw. Had I said that I saw these
[00:52:43.920] beings,
[00:52:46.079] they would have immediately removed me
[00:52:47.760] from the PRP, personal liability
[00:52:49.599] program. I'd have lost my clearance. I'd
[00:52:51.280] have lost my job. I'd have never been on
[00:52:53.200] the missile field again. And I was uh
[00:52:55.839] newly wet at the time and I needed a
[00:52:58.480] job.
[00:53:01.200] >> Two men, the same experience. Mario's
[00:53:04.960] career survives. Michael's doesn't.
[00:53:07.680] >> I just got so to the point that I was
[00:53:10.160] drinking for a while. You know what I'm
[00:53:11.760] saying? Everything. And I fought
[00:53:13.520] depression and all that kind of things
[00:53:15.359] going on in my life. You know what I'm
[00:53:16.880] saying? I had a whole hard life. And so
[00:53:19.680] when I left after my article 15, but
[00:53:22.720] honorable discharge, honorable
[00:53:24.480] discharge, they they said, "We give you
[00:53:26.079] honorable discharge." Okay. Well, you
[00:53:28.319] know, but I never really got field and
[00:53:30.800] everything. And the thing about it
[00:53:32.079] though, I was trying to go in the
[00:53:33.280] Marines after that. I was trying to go
[00:53:35.200] to the Marines. I said, "I'm fixed. I'm
[00:53:36.559] going I'm going to go in the Marines and
[00:53:38.079] stuff, you know, or the Navy. I'm still
[00:53:39.920] good enough." But they coded it.
[00:53:42.079] >> They had some kind of code on it
[00:53:43.440] >> like a 1A or something. Yeah, I know
[00:53:45.599] what you mean. And and God told me you
[00:53:47.520] take an I of Congress to get it off. And
[00:53:49.760] I just said, man, I could be a boy scout
[00:53:52.880] then for that matter, you know, I mean,
[00:53:54.960] I wanted to, you know, get back here.
[00:53:56.640] I'm young. I'm ready to show support
[00:53:59.839] everything. So, it didn't work out. So,
[00:54:02.400] I stay up there doing medial jobs for a
[00:54:05.040] while before I left me jobs.
[00:54:07.040] >> They put you on like general duties or
[00:54:09.119] something like that, right?
[00:54:10.079] >> Yeah. picking up picking up trash,
[00:54:11.839] putting in the bag and stuff or doing
[00:54:13.359] paint on painting the building side of
[00:54:15.920] the building and everything like that.
[00:54:17.599] Mowing the grass and everything. You
[00:54:19.599] know what I'm saying? I mean, it was
[00:54:21.760] degrading.
[00:54:22.319] >> That's a highly trained tactical
[00:54:25.200] individual from the security police
[00:54:27.760] academy
[00:54:31.359] >> Lacklin Air Force Base and and combat
[00:54:34.800] training school. Just Camp Bullis is a
[00:54:37.520] prisoner of war training camp. Six weeks
[00:54:40.400] Yeah, man. We We was working with the
[00:54:42.400] Rangers, man. Special forces.
[00:54:44.800] >> Yeah.
[00:54:46.000] >> I loved it.
[00:54:46.800] >> Yeah. I mean, you know,
[00:54:48.800] >> I killed a couple of snakes with gun,
[00:54:51.760] >> man. I got ripped by a scorpion. I had
[00:54:53.760] one car. I stumped one. I killed a
[00:54:56.480] couple of Can I do something? Go ahead,
[00:54:58.480] Johnny. Go ahead.
[00:54:59.520] >> That's why I never said what was out the
[00:55:01.200] side of that window. What I saw when I
[00:55:02.880] saw those beings. I never I never would
[00:55:04.640] say that. I said everything else,
[00:55:06.400] >> but I wouldn't say that because I'd have
[00:55:07.920] been cleaning up those barracks grounds,
[00:55:09.599] too.
[00:55:10.559] >> And you know it. eating it.
[00:55:17.040] >> Now, you might be wondering about the
[00:55:18.880] total blackout period, the period
[00:55:21.680] between Michael and Mario seeing a
[00:55:23.760] massive glowing red orb over November 5
[00:55:26.800] at midnight with beings hovering towards
[00:55:29.520] their pickup truck and waking up 8 miles
[00:55:33.040] away next to a dam.
[00:55:37.040] Let's find out exactly what happened
[00:55:39.119] during those 5 and a half or so missing
[00:55:41.200] hours.
[00:55:44.319] >> Pay attention to your dreams. Pay
[00:55:47.359] attention to flashbacks. That's how the
[00:55:50.240] subconscious brings up more memory.
[00:55:53.599] >> Recalling events from a traumatic, let
[00:55:55.599] alone supernatural experience is
[00:55:57.760] inherently problematic, especially when
[00:56:00.400] it involves missing time. The mind files
[00:56:03.119] what it can't process in rooms it
[00:56:05.280] doesn't hand you the keys to. And often
[00:56:07.599] that's adaptive for you to move on and
[00:56:10.000] go about your day-to-day life. It's
[00:56:12.640] common for experiencers to undergo
[00:56:14.720] hypnotic regression to unearth those
[00:56:16.880] shards of memory. Mario had his years
[00:56:20.000] ago, the session recorded. Mario
[00:56:22.480] couldn't play it back. The recording sat
[00:56:24.720] on his shelf for a year before he could
[00:56:26.880] bring himself to press play. The
[00:56:29.280] regression itself, which caused Mario to
[00:56:31.760] relive the experience, was so traumatic
[00:56:34.240] for him that it caused his heart to go
[00:56:36.640] into atrial fibrillation. But to get the
[00:56:39.359] full story of what happened to Michael
[00:56:41.280] and Mario that night, we needed Michael
[00:56:43.839] Johnson, a man who has never been
[00:56:46.079] hypnotized in his life and has been
[00:56:48.640] repressing this memory for 50 years. We
[00:56:51.680] needed him to give hypnotic regression a
[00:56:53.920] try, too, and see what we could unearth.
[00:56:56.640] So, we flew out legendary hypnotherapist
[00:56:59.520] Ivonne Smith. Ivonne has probably done
[00:57:02.319] more hypnotic regressions of
[00:57:04.160] experiencers than anyone on the planet
[00:57:06.720] today. And she's the author of this
[00:57:08.960] amazing book that you should all buy
[00:57:10.880] called Chosen: From the Alien Hybrid
[00:57:13.280] Program to the Fate of the Planet. Quite
[00:57:15.599] the title. I want to give a trigger
[00:57:18.000] warning here. What you're about to see
[00:57:19.599] is very intense and somewhat disturbing.
[00:57:22.720] And we should all commend Michael, not
[00:57:24.640] only for undergoing this, but for
[00:57:26.799] sharing it and letting this air,
[00:57:28.960] >> Michael, you got this.
[00:57:31.359] >> You think so?
[00:57:32.160] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:57:32.720] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:57:33.200] >> You're way stronger than you think you
[00:57:34.720] are. You're going to be great.
[00:57:38.960] >> I hope so, man. I hope this get this
[00:57:41.119] over with, man. I just feel so
[00:57:44.160] drained. I feel so drained.
[00:57:46.240] >> Yeah.
[00:57:52.160] Now, Michael, I want you at this time
[00:57:56.160] to visualize, imagine, or picture
[00:58:00.079] yourself at the top of a beautiful,
[00:58:04.000] unique staircase
[00:58:07.520] with two very sturdy handrails in each
[00:58:10.559] side. So as you're standing there, you
[00:58:13.920] feel very safe and very secure,
[00:58:19.520] knowing now that this is the right time
[00:58:24.400] to remember and a very safe time to
[00:58:28.319] remember.
[00:58:32.559] And you start down. And five, four, 3,
[00:58:39.040] two, one, and zero.
[00:58:44.720] As you allow yourself to gently drift
[00:58:48.559] down into a deep, deep sleep.
[00:58:56.240] And allow yourself now to gently
[00:59:00.160] drift back in time
[00:59:03.200] back to the winter
[00:59:05.839] of 1977.
[00:59:09.520] Describe where you are on the base.
[00:59:18.960] I was I was with my
[00:59:24.559] partner, my sat partner.
[00:59:26.640] >> Okay.
[00:59:32.000] >> A strange object,
[00:59:34.480] real bright,
[00:59:37.359] came out of the sky.
[00:59:41.040] We after we approached the site.
[00:59:43.920] >> Mhm.
[00:59:44.960] came out the sky.
[00:59:49.040] I couldn't believe it.
[00:59:50.640] >> Okay,
[00:59:52.400] take a good look at that object and just
[00:59:54.880] try to describe
[00:59:56.799] what it looks like.
[00:59:58.480] >> A big big building. A big building.
[01:00:04.559] >> A warehouse building. Like,
[01:00:08.480] >> now are you able to look ahead of you
[01:00:11.280] out of the windshield?
[01:00:14.319] Just try to look out of the windshield
[01:00:17.280] and describe
[01:00:19.359] everything they're seeing or sensing or
[01:00:21.760] feeling.
[01:00:25.520] >> I saw spinning objects. I saw spinning
[01:00:28.400] objects around me.
[01:00:29.680] >> Okay.
[01:00:30.079] >> I saw spinning objects around me.
[01:00:32.559] Spinning around the truck. The whole
[01:00:33.839] truck. I saw three individual three
[01:00:36.799] objects. Whatever it was in front of the
[01:00:39.440] truck.
[01:00:40.640] Try to describe
[01:00:42.720] what you're seeing. What's in front of
[01:00:44.559] the truck?
[01:00:46.079] >> Three creatures.
[01:00:47.680] >> Okay.
[01:00:49.680] >> Three creatures I never seen out of this
[01:00:52.400] whole world was in front of me.
[01:00:55.359] >> Try to describe what they look like.
[01:00:58.480] >> Yeah. Yeah. I had a big ass eyes.
[01:01:01.520] >> Eyes was big.
[01:01:02.960] >> Okay.
[01:01:03.760] >> He forehead was sticking out.
[01:01:06.480] >> Okay.
[01:01:07.200] >> Skinny.
[01:01:09.119] went one of which wasn't made of of a
[01:01:12.240] man. They were made of something little
[01:01:14.319] putty like putty
[01:01:18.319] and they was standing in front of me.
[01:01:20.240] >> Mhm.
[01:01:21.040] >> I just looked at them
[01:01:24.319] and mumbling. You hear them mumbling
[01:01:26.240] back and forth mumbling everything. No
[01:01:29.680] fear. No fear. No fear.
[01:01:33.680] >> Seeing no fear.
[01:01:34.720] >> No fear.
[01:01:35.599] >> Okay. And you're seeing him through the
[01:01:37.839] windshield.
[01:01:38.960] >> Yeah.
[01:01:39.680] >> Okay.
[01:01:41.359] >> I didn't know if I turned my head. I
[01:01:42.880] knew I just kind of like looked in the
[01:01:45.520] side of my vision.
[01:01:51.760] And I see these four shapes. They're not
[01:01:54.400] walking. They're It's They're just
[01:01:56.640] gliding.
[01:01:57.599] >> Okay.
[01:01:58.160] >> Three small ones and one tall one. I
[01:02:00.960] remember calling Michael's name.
[01:02:02.799] >> Mhm.
[01:02:03.280] >> But he didn't say anything to me.
[01:02:05.920] At that at that point at that point,
[01:02:08.559] seeing them scared the [ __ ] out of me.
[01:02:11.040] >> Yeah.
[01:02:11.440] >> It scared me so bad.
[01:02:13.200] >> Yeah.
[01:02:14.400] >> I couldn't do nothing to Mario. Mario
[01:02:16.400] was just this is I heard him. I couldn't
[01:02:18.640] do nothing. I couldn't say nothing to
[01:02:20.000] him, but I heard him. I heard him.
[01:02:22.400] >> What does Mario say?
[01:02:23.520] >> Michael. Michael, you're all right.
[01:02:24.960] You're all right. Did you see that?
[01:02:27.200] >> I don't know what happened to me.
[01:02:29.599] >> Now, you're still sitting in the truck?
[01:02:32.079] >> I'm in the truck. I'm in the truck.
[01:02:33.119] Sitting in the truck. Just sitting in
[01:02:34.160] the truck. and he grabbing me, trying to
[01:02:36.480] pull me. And I'm look I'm I'm trying to
[01:02:40.880] fight myself to wake up because I know I
[01:02:42.640] was conscious. I was just trying to
[01:02:44.000] fight my way to speak to be back in, you
[01:02:46.960] know, in my body.
[01:02:51.760] And they wanted me to get out the truck.
[01:02:54.400] >> Okay.
[01:02:56.880] >> I couldn't get out the truck. They had
[01:02:58.319] to pull me out the truck.
[01:03:00.000] >> Mhm. I heard things going around me, you
[01:03:03.040] know, like I was it's like something was
[01:03:04.799] raining or something. Water moving, you
[01:03:06.799] know, like somebody turn a fire hydrant
[01:03:08.799] on or something, you know.
[01:03:09.920] >> Do you see any water? Did you look
[01:03:12.240] around?
[01:03:12.720] >> I tried to look around. I did try to
[01:03:14.319] look around.
[01:03:15.280] >> I looked to my right, looked to my left.
[01:03:17.440] >> Okay.
[01:03:17.760] >> I looked. I saw space out there. Empty
[01:03:21.039] space. I didn't see no ground or
[01:03:22.640] nothing.
[01:03:23.359] >> Okay.
[01:03:25.119] >> Okay.
[01:03:26.720] >> I had a headache. I felt like a
[01:03:28.160] headache. real serious headache, you
[01:03:30.160] know. All of a sudden, I got a headache.
[01:03:32.000] My eyes. So, I don't know what to do. I
[01:03:33.920] didn't know what to do. I didn't know
[01:03:34.799] what to do. I did hear. I was conscious.
[01:03:36.960] I heard Mariel.
[01:03:38.319] >> Mhm.
[01:03:39.280] >> I heard him.
[01:03:40.240] >> Now, getting in touch with your head
[01:03:43.359] as your head is hurting.
[01:03:46.400] Do you sense or feel anything touching
[01:03:50.400] your head causing the pain?
[01:03:52.480] >> Squeezing it. Somebody had they
[01:03:54.880] squeezing my head.
[01:03:56.400] >> Okay. Squeezing
[01:03:58.960] it in which way? From ear to ear.
[01:04:04.640] >> On top.
[01:04:06.160] >> On top and on the side.
[01:04:07.839] >> Okay.
[01:04:08.720] >> Squeezing it.
[01:04:10.079] >> Okay. Without feeling the pain, continue
[01:04:15.280] describing. What does it feel like?
[01:04:17.920] >> Needles.
[01:04:19.440] >> Okay.
[01:04:21.200] Where do you sense or feel the needles?
[01:04:25.440] You're doing just fine. Just describe
[01:04:27.520] everything without feeling the pain.
[01:04:30.559] Allow the information to come forward.
[01:04:38.960] It just hurt so bad.
[01:04:41.119] >> Where do you feel the needles?
[01:04:42.880] >> In my ear. In my head.
[01:04:46.480] >> I felt the needles in my head. I felt my
[01:04:48.960] head being squeezed.
[01:04:50.480] >> Now, where do you feel the needles? What
[01:04:52.319] part of your head?
[01:04:54.000] >> By my ear. M.
[01:04:55.440] >> Okay. By your ear.
[01:04:57.599] >> By my ears. On each side. Each side.
[01:04:59.599] Both sides. Both sides.
[01:05:00.960] >> Okay.
[01:05:02.880] >> They take me somewhere.
[01:05:05.760] >> And what position is your body in?
[01:05:07.920] >> I'm laying I'm on flat on my back.
[01:05:10.400] >> Okay.
[01:05:11.680] >> And I can't I can't believe that these
[01:05:14.240] three little guys or whatever they are
[01:05:16.319] carrying me. And I And I think whatever
[01:05:19.440] I'm breathing
[01:05:21.359] helps to relax me. And I'm not sure what
[01:05:23.839] it is. There's something that's placed
[01:05:28.400] on me from behind.
[01:05:31.760] And it's on my left. It's behind my left
[01:05:34.559] ear on my neck and upper ear area.
[01:05:38.480] And I remember saying something that
[01:05:40.079] feels like a crab.
[01:05:44.160] Why am I here?
[01:05:49.920] And then I hear Michael
[01:05:54.319] and his in his voice he's he's upset.
[01:05:56.799] He's very He's really upset.
[01:05:59.680] And he goes, "Oh man." He goes, "Why am
[01:06:01.359] I here?"
[01:06:04.559] And the little one, the small one,
[01:06:09.200] just as plain as day, says, "Because
[01:06:10.880] he's here."
[01:06:14.160] And I couldn't make sense of that. Mhm.
[01:06:23.039] Michael was only maybe a foot or so away
[01:06:25.839] from me. I mean, I couldn't turn and see
[01:06:28.160] him, but he was just behind me.
[01:06:32.720] >> Mario.
[01:06:34.640] Mario, you here?
[01:06:36.319] >> Getting in touch with your body. Do you
[01:06:39.039] sense anything
[01:06:41.440] touching
[01:06:42.960] any part of your body? Do you feel
[01:06:46.319] pressure anywhere in your body?
[01:06:49.920] >> My chest was heavy.
[01:06:52.079] >> Okay.
[01:06:52.640] >> My chest was heavy.
[01:06:54.319] >> Okay. Do you sense any movement around
[01:06:59.119] you? Any sound around you?
[01:07:03.359] >> Yeah. Some hands was on me. Some felt
[01:07:05.200] like hands on me.
[01:07:06.240] >> Okay. Where are those hands?
[01:07:08.240] >> On my chest.
[01:07:09.760] >> Okay.
[01:07:10.240] >> My thighs.
[01:07:11.920] >> And what are those hands doing?
[01:07:14.640] What does it feel like? What are those
[01:07:16.400] hands doing?
[01:07:17.200] >> Like they're cutting in me. Cutting into
[01:07:18.960] me.
[01:07:20.160] >> In what part of your body?
[01:07:22.000] >> My thighs. My my my thighs. My my my
[01:07:26.799] ankles. My ankles. Good.
[01:07:28.799] >> Both legs.
[01:07:29.520] >> Both legs.
[01:07:30.559] >> Okay. Just take a look down there
[01:07:32.960] towards your legs.
[01:07:36.160] You're doing just fine
[01:07:38.640] without feeling the pain or discomfort.
[01:07:40.799] Just try to describe
[01:07:44.640] What is causing that?
[01:07:47.119] >> I don't know. I don't know. I know. They
[01:07:48.880] were sticking me. They were sticking
[01:07:50.079] things in me.
[01:07:50.960] >> Okay.
[01:07:51.359] >> They were sticking things in me. I felt
[01:07:52.960] something go inside me.
[01:07:54.720] >> Who is causing
[01:07:57.039] the discomfort on your legs?
[01:08:00.160] >> These these funny ass creatures. Whoever
[01:08:02.960] the hell it was, it wasn't it was a
[01:08:04.720] human.
[01:08:05.520] >> Okay.
[01:08:07.920] >> Do not fear. We mean you no harm.
[01:08:11.839] Are those the same ones you saw out of
[01:08:14.079] your windshield
[01:08:16.080] >> spinning around that funny headshaped
[01:08:18.480] mother? Yeah. Yeah.
[01:08:20.799] >> Okay.
[01:08:21.359] >> Yeah.
[01:08:22.080] >> Okay.
[01:08:23.600] How many do you see down towards your
[01:08:25.839] legs?
[01:08:26.319] >> About about three.
[01:08:28.640] >> Three.
[01:08:29.120] >> About three.
[01:08:30.080] >> Okay.
[01:08:35.440] >> It was freaky. They were feeling on me.
[01:08:39.199] >> Okay. What's happening with your head?
[01:08:44.400] >> I'm going to touch your shoulder. I'm
[01:08:46.319] going to touch your shoulder.
[01:08:48.719] Just try to
[01:08:51.359] >> touch your shoulder. This is me touching
[01:08:53.759] your shoulder. Take a deep breath. Take
[01:08:57.120] a deep breath. Remember, you came out of
[01:09:00.080] it.
[01:09:02.159] >> Tell me what's happening. Tell me what's
[01:09:03.759] happening.
[01:09:04.880] >> Tell me what's happening.
[01:09:05.920] >> It grabbed me. Grab you where?
[01:09:07.920] >> A groin.
[01:09:09.279] >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Let it all come out.
[01:09:12.719] Just continue describing it.
[01:09:17.040] >> I was punching the groin.
[01:09:19.199] >> Okay.
[01:09:20.319] >> I was punched. Then I stopped.
[01:09:22.880] >> Okay.
[01:09:27.920] >> It stopped. My head stopped hurting.
[01:09:30.319] >> Okay.
[01:09:33.359] >> Okay.
[01:09:34.560] >> My eyes were still hurting. I couldn't
[01:09:36.719] open my eyes. I close them. I open them.
[01:09:39.440] Close them. Open them. Open them long
[01:09:41.120] enough to see what the hell was going
[01:09:43.600] on.
[01:09:44.080] >> What's causing your eyes to be
[01:09:45.920] irritated?
[01:09:47.120] >> Lights.
[01:09:47.920] >> The lights.
[01:09:48.640] >> The lights. It was so bright.
[01:09:50.400] >> Okay.
[01:09:50.719] >> It was like like an operating table.
[01:09:52.239] Like it was like operating table, you
[01:09:53.839] know.
[01:09:54.239] >> Okay.
[01:09:54.880] >> Yeah.
[01:09:55.600] >> Okay. Michael, you're doing just fine.
[01:09:58.640] >> Keep stay off me, man. Stay off me.
[01:10:02.560] >> Are they still touching your body?
[01:10:04.560] >> Yeah. What part?
[01:10:05.920] >> My chest. My chest.
[01:10:07.280] >> Okay. Tell me what they're doing on your
[01:10:10.159] chest.
[01:10:11.120] >> Pushing down. Pressing down on my chest.
[01:10:12.960] Pressing down on my chest.
[01:10:14.239] >> Okay.
[01:10:16.320] >> They stopped.
[01:10:17.920] >> It put something in my mouth.
[01:10:19.520] >> What they What does it feel like?
[01:10:22.719] >> Rubber.
[01:10:23.600] >> Okay.
[01:10:27.920] >> I see writing.
[01:10:29.440] >> Take a look at the writing. Just try to
[01:10:32.480] describe it. Where are you seeing the
[01:10:34.640] writing?
[01:10:37.520] >> Uh, next to instruments or next to
[01:10:40.560] >> Okay.
[01:10:42.080] >> levers, next to
[01:10:47.040] things that are on like a console,
[01:10:52.000] and he takes this device, it's connected
[01:10:54.080] to something else, not a wire, but a
[01:10:56.400] cable or something.
[01:10:59.760] And he bends my wrist backwards
[01:11:02.800] and he goes down into my wrist with it.
[01:11:05.520] And I keep he tells me to relax. I'm not
[01:11:08.239] going to hurt you. I said, "You are
[01:11:09.760] hurting me. You are hurting me."
[01:11:11.360] >> Mhm.
[01:11:13.360] >> We're helping you. We're helping you.
[01:11:15.920] Please stop.
[01:11:17.120] >> I asked, "Do you do you help everybody?"
[01:11:20.239] So that they need to be.
[01:11:21.760] >> Mhm.
[01:11:22.719] >> You're doing just fine, Michael. You're
[01:11:25.040] doing just fine.
[01:11:31.040] Get off me.
[01:11:33.520] >> Keep describing what's happening.
[01:11:35.600] Remember, you came out of it and you're
[01:11:37.199] safe.
[01:11:38.880] >> No,
[01:11:39.440] >> just describe everything.
[01:11:42.560] >> They tear me on my stomach.
[01:11:45.600] >> Okay.
[01:11:46.000] >> It starts like slicing my back, cutting
[01:11:48.480] my back cold, like a cold blade.
[01:11:53.040] >> Mhm.
[01:11:54.239] >> To my spinal to my spinal.
[01:11:57.360] Okay.
[01:11:59.440] >> And back and forth.
[01:12:02.560] >> Okay.
[01:12:03.920] >> And
[01:12:05.440] they stopped.
[01:12:06.800] >> Okay.
[01:12:09.679] >> They stopped. That was it.
[01:12:13.920] >> That was it.
[01:12:14.880] >> Mhm.
[01:12:16.560] Do you feel anything else on your back?
[01:12:19.360] >> No.
[01:12:20.480] >> Okay.
[01:12:21.679] >> No.
[01:12:25.040] >> I don't know how long I'm there. Allen.
[01:12:27.040] I've been there. I don't know what their
[01:12:28.960] intentions are.
[01:12:31.199] I'm just so afraid that I'll never get
[01:12:33.920] home again.
[01:12:36.960] I think about
[01:12:39.600] all the times I've ever
[01:12:42.880] from a boy when I've seen these things
[01:12:44.880] when I'm not them but their their craft.
[01:12:49.360] They've been coming a very very very
[01:12:52.480] long time.
[01:12:56.239] This is your planet.
[01:12:58.960] This is our planet.
[01:13:00.400] >> Where is it?
[01:13:02.800] >> I ask about Michael. I'm told Michael's
[01:13:05.760] okay.
[01:13:06.480] >> Mhm.
[01:13:07.040] >> He'll be all right.
[01:13:09.199] >> Do you hear anything from them? Do you
[01:13:11.360] hear a message?
[01:13:14.640] >> Do not fear.
[01:13:16.800] Do not fear.
[01:13:24.719] How do you feel watching that?
[01:13:30.239] Wow.
[01:13:31.840] >> That was
[01:13:33.600] I was pissed.
[01:13:34.880] >> Yeah,
[01:13:35.199] >> I was pissed.
[01:13:37.120] Now, I thought they going to do some
[01:13:38.480] some stuff to me, you know.
[01:13:40.800] >> Yeah,
[01:13:41.679] >> I really did.
[01:13:44.320] I come, you know, I'm on my stomach. I'm
[01:13:46.719] helpless and stuff. This ain't no jail
[01:13:49.040] house. This is here, you know.
[01:13:51.840] Ain't no peanut butter sandwich. You
[01:13:53.520] can't you got to pay me some way. You
[01:13:55.199] know where I'm coming from.
[01:13:57.760] >> But you know, he didn't do anything. It
[01:14:00.400] didn't do anything.
[01:14:03.280] But it stopped by his at the end of my
[01:14:04.960] back right here. And then that was it.
[01:14:10.320] I remember that. I felt that. I felt it
[01:14:13.840] >> cuz I was thinking, damn, they going to
[01:14:17.120] do something to me.
[01:14:18.719] >> They want to do something to me.
[01:14:20.960] take specimens or something, they're
[01:14:22.480] going to insert something in me.
[01:14:24.239] >> Yeah. That and that's actually a common
[01:14:25.920] thing with experiencers. That sort of
[01:14:28.560] thing happens. So, and there are even
[01:14:30.400] theories that there's some sort of
[01:14:33.440] interecies breeding program going on
[01:14:35.840] because of how common that is. So,
[01:14:38.159] >> yeah.
[01:14:38.880] >> Damn, man.
[01:14:39.840] >> Yeah.
[01:14:40.320] >> That must be a violating weird
[01:14:42.320] >> Yeah, it it was.
[01:14:43.840] >> You just have no control.
[01:14:45.440] >> Yeah.
[01:14:45.679] >> I couldn't do nothing.
[01:14:46.400] >> You can't stop.
[01:14:47.120] >> I couldn't do nothing. You know,
[01:14:48.719] >> it was really hard to see you viscerally
[01:14:50.640] like I because I could hear through my I
[01:14:52.719] knew that you're as you were describing
[01:14:54.239] what they're doing, Rebecca, you're
[01:14:55.360] scratching the couch like the leather on
[01:14:56.880] the couch and I just knew that was the
[01:14:58.320] most sematic part of the of what you
[01:15:00.400] were going through. Like there was so
[01:15:02.080] much of your body contracting and you
[01:15:04.239] holding I could tell that that was the
[01:15:05.920] deepest part that you've gone.
[01:15:07.920] >> Damn it.
[01:15:08.640] >> Yeah,
[01:15:09.440] >> cuz I was I was conscious, you know.
[01:15:13.280] >> I'm sorry.
[01:15:14.480] >> I was conscious.
[01:15:15.679] >> Yeah. No. And you could feel whatever
[01:15:17.679] anger or you know it's you're being
[01:15:19.280] rational don't
[01:15:20.239] >> no and everything and you know we as men
[01:15:23.679] we know uh yeah
[01:15:25.199] >> uh no that that ain't going to happen
[01:15:27.280] but I was I was helpless
[01:15:30.159] but I yelled I kept screaming.
[01:15:32.480] >> Well you know it came up in in your
[01:15:34.880] intro session with with Yvon before you
[01:15:37.040] went under. And I remember the detail
[01:15:39.840] coming out of you feeling just so
[01:15:42.159] uncomfortable and violated when you when
[01:15:44.400] they were examining you after because
[01:15:46.159] you were also in your underwear.
[01:15:47.679] >> I had to be in a room with a bunch of
[01:15:49.280] men undressed
[01:15:51.120] >> with men on these the military. Yes.
[01:15:53.120] >> And they made you take off your clothes.
[01:15:54.960] >> My uniform
[01:15:56.239] >> and so they could examine. Okay.
[01:15:59.840] I remember I was like, "Huh, it's an
[01:16:02.080] like interesting that that detail really
[01:16:03.920] stuck out, you know, after you've gone
[01:16:06.320] through after you had gone through
[01:16:07.280] everything that you'd gone through." But
[01:16:08.640] it made sense when you when you went
[01:16:10.400] under and it and it almost was like a
[01:16:12.480] trigger for something that you had just
[01:16:13.760] gone through cuz you were just violated
[01:16:16.239] on, you know, on the craft
[01:16:18.159] >> and then now you're violated again by
[01:16:20.480] your, you know, fellow soldiers on the
[01:16:23.120] base. Mhm.
[01:16:23.840] >> So that that was like an interesting
[01:16:25.280] link as we were
[01:16:26.239] >> Mhm. Yeah. I do remember that I feel
[01:16:30.800] funny. You know what I'm saying? I feel
[01:16:32.560] funny and everything like that. And I
[01:16:36.000] thought I thought they they kicked me in
[01:16:37.679] the nuts too, you know,
[01:16:39.600] >> and everything,
[01:16:42.320] man. Shoot.
[01:16:44.159] >> I wonder if it was like they were taking
[01:16:46.080] spinal fluid or cuz it feels like that
[01:16:48.560] would be pretty central to any sample
[01:16:50.960] collection.
[01:16:51.760] >> Yeah. Central nervous system.
[01:16:53.120] >> Nervous system. Nervous system. I know
[01:16:55.280] pathetic bi biology. Yeah.
[01:16:57.280] >> Yeah.
[01:16:58.239] >> Huh.
[01:16:58.960] >> Whoa.
[01:16:59.600] >> It's not easy to listen to, I'm sure.
[01:17:02.239] >> Man, that was awful.
[01:17:03.600] >> Yeah,
[01:17:04.000] >> that was awful.
[01:17:05.120] >> Yeah.
[01:17:08.239] Do not fear. Two men, two rooms, hours
[01:17:12.159] apart, neither an earshot of the other.
[01:17:15.360] The same three words. Words Mario has
[01:17:18.080] attached to his memory since 1977.
[01:17:21.600] Whatever happened in November of 1977 at
[01:17:24.880] Ellsworth, those words were definitely a
[01:17:27.760] part of it.
[01:17:31.199] In the middle of the most gut-wrenching
[01:17:33.280] stretch of Michael's playback, Mario's
[01:17:35.920] phone pushed its verse of the day, and
[01:17:38.239] the verse was about fear. Fear not, do
[01:17:41.679] not fear was the verse of the day. I
[01:17:43.920] feel like now we have to go one step.
[01:17:45.760] Fear no fear is the goodness.
[01:18:00.719] Well, when I was sent to KE control, I
[01:18:03.920] got a real strict briefing from Master
[01:18:06.239] Sergeant Gray
[01:18:08.239] that of course, you know, reiterated
[01:18:10.560] everything that was said in Colonel
[01:18:11.840] Spreer's office about not talking. said
[01:18:14.000] people were talk talking and discussing
[01:18:16.000] what happened to he and I to their best
[01:18:18.320] of what they had been told which was not
[01:18:20.239] much and uh even though things were not
[01:18:23.600] said at guard mounts for instance the
[01:18:26.000] weeks following
[01:18:28.320] people would just walk by you and just
[01:18:29.920] slow down and look at you
[01:18:31.760] >> even though they wouldn't say anything
[01:18:33.199] they wanted to
[01:18:35.280] and or they would say something to
[01:18:37.120] someone else and that person who might
[01:18:38.800] have been your friend would say yeah
[01:18:40.159] they think this and that and they think
[01:18:41.840] I don't know what the hell is wrong with
[01:18:43.199] you or why would you know why did you
[01:18:45.360] and he go through this or and nobody
[01:18:48.000] else has and it really gets to you.
[01:18:50.719] >> I I was not the drinking type. I didn't
[01:18:52.880] smoke. You know, a lot of guys around
[01:18:54.800] there was actually mad at me cuz I
[01:18:56.800] wouldn't play cards and you know drink
[01:18:58.400] or anything.
[01:18:59.600] >> Really got mad at me. So it was like
[01:19:01.679] they thought they thought like Yeah.
[01:19:03.760] They thought maybe like I was OSI
[01:19:06.159] somebody or somebody undercover
[01:19:08.080] snitching on you know we had snitches
[01:19:09.600] around there. But no, that wasn't me.
[01:19:11.120] It's just that's that's how I grew up
[01:19:12.800] and everything as far as bullying. Yeah.
[01:19:15.520] Yeah. Because how how my how I was at
[01:19:18.000] the time back cool not not too heavy not
[01:19:21.120] heavy weight and these guys coming from
[01:19:23.199] all walks of life and everything want to
[01:19:25.280] get away from what they had and they
[01:19:27.440] want everybody else to join them.
[01:19:29.120] >> I wouldn't join them. You know they had
[01:19:30.880] their little gang. I wouldn't join them.
[01:19:32.640] >> So I was a actually outcast and
[01:19:35.440] everything.
[01:19:36.880] >> Next thing I know I was riding back with
[01:19:39.280] somebody. I was riding back with
[01:19:40.800] sergeant. I can't remember his name. I
[01:19:42.400] can't remember his name. I was not
[01:19:44.239] talking. He he kept saying he's going to
[01:19:45.600] be all right. Cuz I asked him, you know,
[01:19:47.360] what's going on here? Where we going?
[01:19:49.199] And everything like that. He said, "We
[01:19:50.960] going back to post. We going back to
[01:19:52.239] base. We going back, you know, we going
[01:19:54.159] we going we going to go and talk to some
[01:19:55.760] people.
[01:19:57.840] >> You remembering something else?"
[01:19:59.760] >> Yeah. I remember I remember I got into a
[01:20:02.800] fight with the sergeant at one of the
[01:20:05.440] missile one of the missile sites.
[01:20:07.760] >> Okay.
[01:20:09.440] poor
[01:20:11.199] >> because the way he was they were
[01:20:13.120] questioning you and
[01:20:16.000] treating you.
[01:20:17.840] >> Yeah. He was he was trying to bully me.
[01:20:21.679] Trying to bully trying to bully me.
[01:20:24.000] >> He was bigger than me.
[01:20:25.199] >> Mhm.
[01:20:26.480] >> And he trying to bully me. I I told the
[01:20:28.960] site manager I can't remember who the
[01:20:30.480] site manager name was.
[01:20:31.920] >> I told man, you know, get him off me.
[01:20:33.600] Leave me alone. Just tell him, "Leave me
[01:20:34.880] alone, man. I'm tired of this, man. You
[01:20:37.040] always got to pick on me. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:20:41.199] Try not to keep punishing yourself about
[01:20:43.199] that.
[01:20:45.360] You were defending yourself.
[01:20:48.080] >> You were defending yourself. You know,
[01:20:50.239] Michael,
[01:20:54.159] >> everybody pick on me. I got tired of it.
[01:20:56.159] Got fed up with it. Tired a nice guy.
[01:20:59.360] >> Yeah.
[01:20:59.760] >> Then leave me alone.
[01:21:01.199] >> Yeah.
[01:21:02.239] >> He kept grabbed me.
[01:21:07.280] Everybody thought it was funny. It
[01:21:08.320] wasn't funny. It was a funny man. I put
[01:21:10.400] the M16 up to your neck. Was it was a
[01:21:12.320] funny day I cocked it up there did it.
[01:21:14.480] Everybody Everybody punked out.
[01:21:19.679] >> I remember so scared. Yeah. Yeah. You
[01:21:21.840] look a [ __ ] Now what? You know.
[01:21:24.080] >> Yeah.
[01:21:27.199] >> Where this come from?
[01:21:28.719] >> It's okay.
[01:21:31.520] It's It's all in there, Michael.
[01:21:33.840] >> Where did it come from? I mean,
[01:21:36.480] >> it's traumatic.
[01:21:38.239] >> I'm going to kill a son of a [ __ ] I'm
[01:21:39.600] going to kill. I didn't care at that
[01:21:41.120] point.
[01:21:42.159] >> I'm glad I didn't know. I'm glad I
[01:21:43.760] didn't for
[01:21:45.679] >> No, man. I'm just so tired. Tired.
[01:21:48.560] Everything going this way. Going to
[01:21:51.199] school. What? I'm leaving this right
[01:21:53.520] here. I was put on L's words.
[01:21:57.600] >> And you've been holding that in for all
[01:22:00.080] these years.
[01:22:02.080] For all these years, Michael. Damn.
[01:22:04.800] Flip it.
[01:22:06.080] >> And give yourself some credit for being
[01:22:07.840] here.
[01:22:20.080] Like I said, after I got I just point
[01:22:22.400] blank said after I got kicked out and
[01:22:24.880] everything, honorable discharge, I stay
[01:22:27.120] in Rapid City for a while. Before I
[01:22:28.639] left, I talked to I talked to Mario, you
[01:22:31.040] know, before I left and everything. What
[01:22:33.280] do you recall about that conversation?
[01:22:35.360] >> What they do to you, man? What they do
[01:22:38.159] to you? What they say?
[01:22:41.199] You know, let me come in. Let me come
[01:22:43.280] in. Let me come in. We need to talk.
[01:22:45.600] Then Mario start talking to me about uh
[01:22:48.159] I can't remember what it was, but he
[01:22:50.560] said something like it was something. He
[01:22:52.320] asked me, "Did I did I see anything?" I
[01:22:55.040] said, "Yeah, I saw it." I said, "I saw
[01:22:56.880] it, but I don't know how they gonna make
[01:22:59.840] make it seem like I didn't." Okay. But I
[01:23:02.960] I just told him straight up, man, let's
[01:23:04.320] let's get some let's let's get some
[01:23:06.080] drawings doing. Let's do something here,
[01:23:07.600] man. I saw something. I want to write it
[01:23:09.120] down before I forget.
[01:23:10.639] >> What' you draw?
[01:23:11.520] >> A funny ass looking alien, man.
[01:23:15.600] >> And I see what what I seen for what I
[01:23:17.600] seen. Everything just, you know, almost
[01:23:19.760] like what a kid would draw and
[01:23:21.199] everything. Face, teeth, you know,
[01:23:23.280] everything like that. I don't know what
[01:23:25.840] what effect it had.
[01:23:27.040] >> Do you remember that being in your
[01:23:28.560] mind's eye? Do you remember seeing it?
[01:23:30.719] >> That's what I'm I was drawing what I was
[01:23:32.080] seeing.
[01:23:32.480] >> And what what did the being look like?
[01:23:34.000] What did the face look like?
[01:23:35.920] >> Angry.
[01:23:37.920] Angry. Big eyes. Angry. I remember I I
[01:23:41.280] remember I was in some place. I don't
[01:23:42.800] know where it was, but I was in another
[01:23:45.199] empty space or capsule or something and
[01:23:48.880] I saw things that was flying around,
[01:23:51.840] floating around rather, whatever, and
[01:23:53.520] everything. And so I just kind of just
[01:23:55.040] shook it off and everything because I
[01:23:56.480] didn't know for sure if I was on the
[01:23:59.120] floor, my head on the floor and trying
[01:24:02.320] to talk to somebody, but I kept bumping.
[01:24:04.560] I kept bumping, kept bumping to
[01:24:06.159] somebody, you know, and everything. And
[01:24:08.400] I thought it was Mario Muriel, you know,
[01:24:09.920] like I was on this side, he was on that
[01:24:11.440] side. It's like we was on a table, you
[01:24:13.679] know.
[01:24:18.000] >> What happened back there, man? I was
[01:24:19.840] lying down somewhere and there was a
[01:24:23.120] glove on a floor, a real shiny floor,
[01:24:26.719] nothing like the inside of that truck.
[01:24:29.600] This is a crucial part of Michael and
[01:24:31.600] Mario's story. Michael vividly
[01:24:33.600] remembered seeing one of Mario's gloves
[01:24:36.080] lying on a very shiny floor. Nobody else
[01:24:39.120] on patrol that night had a pair like
[01:24:41.120] these.
[01:24:41.840] >> Or Michael Jackson glove.
[01:24:44.080] >> Michael Jackson glove.
[01:24:44.960] >> You remember the glove?
[01:24:46.080] >> I do remember the glove. I remember I
[01:24:49.679] the reason why I brought my attention
[01:24:51.040] was because I seen it with the glove and
[01:24:52.639] it was a nice super nice glove that I
[01:24:55.600] was going to take.
[01:24:57.920] >> The night of the incident, he pulled the
[01:24:59.920] right one off to work his flashlight.
[01:25:02.320] The same gloveless hand that the flight
[01:25:04.560] surgeon would later find burned. But
[01:25:06.880] again, Michael remembers seeing this
[01:25:08.560] glove on a shiny floor. And even though
[01:25:11.440] Mario took the glove off, he kept it
[01:25:13.600] with him. in the middle of all of this.
[01:25:15.520] That's what gets you. In the middle of
[01:25:16.719] all of it, you know, there's a glove on
[01:25:18.080] a shiny floor and he said that to me.
[01:25:20.159] Uh, you know, my my wife, she was
[01:25:23.120] sitting over here and he was sitting on
[01:25:25.360] the couch and I was sitt around table
[01:25:27.440] and I he had a pad in front of him and I
[01:25:29.600] had a pad in front of me and a pencil.
[01:25:32.239] And when he said that, I just looked at
[01:25:33.920] him and I crossed my head. I remember
[01:25:35.840] kind of looking questioning myself. I
[01:25:37.600] said, "Wait a minute, not my gloves."
[01:25:40.880] You know, I can't lose one of those
[01:25:42.560] because a B-52 pilot gave them to me my
[01:25:45.440] first couple of nights there at
[01:25:46.719] Ellsworth in the BAQ barracks, which is
[01:25:49.520] like an like a like a makeshift hotel.
[01:25:52.960] When you first get to a base, you got to
[01:25:54.400] have a place to lay your head. So, you
[01:25:56.400] can go to the BAQ like hotel and spend
[01:25:59.520] the night. Well, he and I shared a room.
[01:26:01.360] There was like 10 beds in there. I was
[01:26:03.280] over in that end. That was that. And I
[01:26:05.120] and I just saw his stuff. He was
[01:26:06.480] unfolding and I said, "Man, those are
[01:26:08.320] badass gloves, man." He said, "Yeah,
[01:26:10.800] you're going to need some of these
[01:26:11.920] living here." He said, "I've been here
[01:26:13.199] before." And he goes, "Here, take
[01:26:14.639] these." He just gave them to me. So, I
[01:26:17.280] always prized those gloves. And I don't
[01:26:19.440] even know what happened to the lefth
[01:26:20.560] hand one now. But that that day and he
[01:26:24.639] said that I ran in my room and I kept my
[01:26:28.159] diddy bag, a hawk bag. I kept it in the
[01:26:30.480] closet. My wife didn't want to look at
[01:26:32.320] it. So, I grabbed it out old gray
[01:26:34.719] looking bag. I emptied that. I unzipped
[01:26:37.360] it and I emptied it on the couch next to
[01:26:38.960] you and I spread everything out, you
[01:26:40.400] know.
[01:26:40.880] >> Did you dropped it?
[01:26:41.840] >> I did everything. And my left hand glove
[01:26:43.600] was there, but the right hand glove is
[01:26:44.719] gone. And I did I didn't even know that
[01:26:46.719] before.
[01:26:47.280] >> Holy [ __ ] I'm missing one.
[01:26:51.840] >> So, you think the glove literally maybe
[01:26:54.000] was taken by the beings
[01:26:56.320] >> who's left
[01:26:57.040] >> on the spaceship?
[01:26:58.560] >> Yeah.
[01:26:59.120] >> Wow.
[01:26:59.840] >> Yeah, it was there
[01:27:01.440] >> on the UFO.
[01:27:02.719] >> Yeah.
[01:27:03.040] >> On the floor of the UFO glove, man. And
[01:27:05.120] you pul you pulled out your diddy bag
[01:27:07.199] because Michael was like I remember
[01:27:09.520] seeing the glove on the floor and you
[01:27:10.800] only had one of the gloves in your bag.
[01:27:12.639] >> Well, my comment was there. I said,
[01:27:14.719] "Michael, an F-154 pickup truck's got
[01:27:17.520] rubber black mats. What do you mean a
[01:27:19.199] shiny floor?" That brought my curiosity
[01:27:21.280] to it. So, I ran into my bedroom and
[01:27:24.000] grabbed it.
[01:27:24.560] >> Yeah.
[01:27:24.960] >> Came back out there and unzipped it and
[01:27:26.480] dumped it. Radio, underwear, shave kit,
[01:27:29.280] everything right on the couch. And
[01:27:31.520] there's my lefth hand glove. No righth
[01:27:32.880] hand glove. So somewhere floating around
[01:27:35.040] in the cosmos, you have your B-52 glove.
[01:27:38.560] >> They do.
[01:27:39.040] >> I mean, along with old radios and old
[01:27:41.360] Maybe it'll go in their museum. I don't
[01:27:42.800] know.
[01:27:43.120] >> That's right. Yeah.
[01:27:57.600] Mario, you also at certain points
[01:28:01.520] remember walking through almost a room
[01:28:04.719] of like antiques, like old gramophones
[01:28:07.440] and vinyl players. And
[01:28:09.280] >> that was in a dream.
[01:28:11.040] >> I didn't recall that in hypnosis.
[01:28:13.600] >> What connected the dream with the
[01:28:15.679] abduction experience? Possibly like what
[01:28:17.840] what makes you think that that might
[01:28:19.760] have been what you experienced in the
[01:28:21.679] >> small the small being
[01:28:23.280] >> and the foggy atmosphere. Was the small
[01:28:25.840] being leading you through that room?
[01:28:27.760] >> Yes. He allowed me to go he took me into
[01:28:30.480] the room of old things and just allowed
[01:28:32.080] me to be there and to look and I don't
[01:28:34.880] draw I didn't draw it here but on the
[01:28:36.480] back side of this wall there's a window
[01:28:39.520] and it's a round window and it had a pie
[01:28:42.480] slice out of it. He told me I could go
[01:28:44.000] look out that window and I just shook my
[01:28:45.600] head. No, I don't want to see what's in
[01:28:46.800] that what's out that window. And I
[01:28:48.800] didn't go.
[01:28:50.880] But the iron, the sewing machine, the
[01:28:54.960] stereo, the lamp post was all items that
[01:28:58.719] we had in our home as I was growing up.
[01:29:01.520] Not these items, but items just like
[01:29:03.840] that in Fort Arthur, Texas. So that's
[01:29:06.480] when I took it that maybe they were
[01:29:08.159] maybe they were like archaeologists or
[01:29:11.920] scientists in some way collecting this
[01:29:14.000] stuff from the human race. I don't know.
[01:29:16.960] And asking our opinions of it or what
[01:29:18.880] have you. I don't know.
[01:29:20.400] >> Do you remember now when you try to
[01:29:22.480] remember the shiny floor of the UFO with
[01:29:26.159] the B-52 glove on top of it? Mario's
[01:29:29.520] glove. Do you remember that?
[01:29:30.639] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:29:31.280] >> You do.
[01:29:31.840] >> I do.
[01:29:32.560] >> Wow.
[01:29:33.040] >> I do. I definitely do.
[01:29:35.600] >> In fact, where I was sitting where I was
[01:29:37.840] laying down when I saw it. I was laying
[01:29:40.000] down when I saw it. I was I was on the
[01:29:43.440] remember as I said I was being probed
[01:29:46.080] and you know and everything and turned
[01:29:49.760] over and back and I saw I saw paper. I
[01:29:53.679] thought it was paper. It was it was a
[01:29:54.880] hand glove. It was a glove. I saw it but
[01:29:57.520] I kept a note of it. I didn't pick it up
[01:29:59.920] but I saw it cuz I think he was still in
[01:30:02.960] the same room with me.
[01:30:04.960] >> Wow.
[01:30:05.600] >> Okay. So I kept that in my in my mind.
[01:30:08.400] thought I was my brain was scattered
[01:30:10.560] like you know scattered but I remember
[01:30:12.400] glove it was nice clean silver civil
[01:30:14.480] glove you know you know just cuz he
[01:30:17.520] bragged about it I remember you know
[01:30:19.920] what I'm saying it was nice glove cuz I
[01:30:21.360] was going to take it
[01:30:23.280] >> see even in while you're being sort of
[01:30:26.480] traumatized in this UFO you're like that
[01:30:28.480] glove's nice and I wish I could take it
[01:30:30.239] right now
[01:30:32.000] >> yeah you know I've been dogged around
[01:30:34.159] anyway you know what I'm saying and I
[01:30:36.000] think
[01:30:39.840] >> when you you recreate that face in your
[01:30:42.159] mind's eye, the big eyes.
[01:30:44.000] >> Mhm.
[01:30:45.199] >> Does that somehow feel familiar to you
[01:30:47.760] or does it feel very foreign?
[01:30:49.760] >> No, it feel familiar.
[01:30:51.440] >> Mhm.
[01:30:52.080] >> It feel familiar. You'll laugh at me if
[01:30:54.560] I say I've seen guys people walking
[01:30:56.239] among us with heads shaped like that
[01:30:58.480] >> and I have seen it.
[01:30:59.840] >> Yeah,
[01:31:01.120] >> I have seen it. Does it feel friendly or
[01:31:03.679] does it feel neutral or negative or does
[01:31:07.360] it have some sort of like emotional
[01:31:08.880] connotation?
[01:31:09.840] >> Mystifying,
[01:31:11.280] >> you know, I look at him, you know, like
[01:31:13.840] that and he just walking on among us,
[01:31:16.960] you know, but I just I have seen strange
[01:31:19.360] looking people in my time.
[01:31:20.639] >> You think there are some people in
[01:31:21.840] society that might not be fully human?
[01:31:24.639] >> Mhm. I really do. I actually didn't
[01:31:27.440] think that, but I've been thinking that
[01:31:29.199] for years now. Well, you're not alone in
[01:31:31.199] thinking that. In fact, one of the kind
[01:31:33.360] of foremost pioneers in UFO research is
[01:31:36.000] a billionaire named Robert Bigalow,
[01:31:38.000] okay?
[01:31:38.480] >> Who spent all sorts of resources in
[01:31:40.960] trying to, you know, figure out how UFOs
[01:31:43.199] fly and work. And he worked, you know,
[01:31:45.440] with the the Senate Majority Leader
[01:31:47.120] Harry Reid in an official government
[01:31:49.040] capacity in order to kind of reverse
[01:31:51.040] engineer UFOs. And he has quoted, you
[01:31:53.760] know, in multiple interviews saying that
[01:31:55.199] aliens walk among us.
[01:31:57.360] >> Yeah. They could be among us, you know,
[01:32:01.040] whether they're hybrids or they're some
[01:32:03.679] other kind of of of
[01:32:06.719] really lookalike, you know, kind of
[01:32:09.040] thing.
[01:32:09.600] >> So, I think you're in good company. But
[01:32:11.199] you texted me something very interesting
[01:32:13.760] before coming out here. Uh, you said,
[01:32:16.239] "Can't wait to see you guys. I
[01:32:18.000] appreciate what you have been doing to
[01:32:19.840] make me feel a little easy after a half
[01:32:21.679] a century of not knowing who I am." What
[01:32:25.679] did you mean by that?
[01:32:27.679] I think what I'm what I meant by that
[01:32:29.760] was nobody believed me. Okay. I wouldn't
[01:32:33.600] talk about that much. I felt like, you
[01:32:35.920] know, it's just something that I had to
[01:32:38.719] take with me to my grave. I didn't think
[01:32:41.120] nobody believe me and and my morale was
[01:32:43.760] down. Okay. I was going through changes,
[01:32:47.440] depression, and everything at that time.
[01:32:49.760] A lot of things hit me hard.
[01:32:52.960] I stayed to myself a lot. I don't talk
[01:32:55.760] to people. Yeah,
[01:32:56.880] >> that's bad thing to bad thing to do. I
[01:32:58.800] need to talk. I go to the VA now more
[01:33:01.679] than I ever have and start talking about
[01:33:04.080] the certain things to ease my mind
[01:33:06.960] because I can't sleep at night. I have a
[01:33:08.880] hard time sleeping. I can't sleep. I
[01:33:10.239] wake up 2 or 3 in the morning and I got
[01:33:12.320] to be at work at 8 and everything. And
[01:33:14.960] that really took a toll on me mentally.
[01:33:18.080] Anger mental anguish. But but when I got
[01:33:21.760] in touch with you guys, I felt a lift
[01:33:24.080] up. I felt a lift. M
[01:33:25.840] >> I felt a lift and everything. Oh snaps,
[01:33:28.960] somebody out here relate with me. You
[01:33:31.199] know what I'm saying? Relate with me.
[01:33:33.360] You know, and then when you about him, I
[01:33:35.920] said, "Wow, it had changed my life. I'm
[01:33:39.920] about to retire and this is coming out
[01:33:41.920] on me." D boy, you know, I felt good. I
[01:33:47.040] felt good.
[01:33:48.159] >> You You should know about Do you know
[01:33:49.360] who Robert Hastings is, Michael?
[01:33:50.800] >> I heard of him.
[01:33:51.679] >> He's amazing. He's really just an
[01:33:54.159] honorable good guy and heard
[01:33:56.719] >> for decades has thanklessly and
[01:33:58.880] thanklessly is is an understatement
[01:34:01.840] uh uh with a lot of backlash and at
[01:34:04.159] times death threats and and and calls to
[01:34:07.040] his house has just and with not a lot of
[01:34:10.480] you know money coming in as a result of
[01:34:12.159] this has chronicled people like yourself
[01:34:15.280] and Mario and other you know guys
[01:34:17.840] working at nuclear bases all over the
[01:34:19.840] country and even certain civilian energy
[01:34:21.679] grids.
[01:34:22.560] where he's just documented this
[01:34:24.960] ubiquitous connection between nuclear
[01:34:26.960] and UFOs and tic tac saucers orbs all
[01:34:30.239] these sorts of you know crafts showing
[01:34:32.159] up at these sites often tampering with
[01:34:34.719] the nukes in certain cases actually
[01:34:36.960] affecting the employees directly
[01:34:38.400] sometimes you have close encounters of
[01:34:39.679] the third kind
[01:34:41.040] >> but if you you read his book it's almost
[01:34:42.880] 600 pages and you come out of it
[01:34:45.679] >> and your stories don't exist in a vacuum
[01:34:48.639] they don't exist in isolation at all
[01:34:51.040] They're they're they're of a variety and
[01:34:54.000] um so I'm we actually have uh two copies
[01:34:56.639] that we just bought and I'll give I'll
[01:34:58.080] gift you a copy.
[01:34:59.440] >> But that I mean so just so you really
[01:35:01.600] feel like you're not alone. You have all
[01:35:03.040] these guys in this book who've
[01:35:04.800] experienced similar retributions.
[01:35:07.120] >> Yeah,
[01:35:07.840] >> I've read it. Yeah, it's a great book.
[01:35:09.360] >> Definitely with that.
[01:35:10.480] >> And we're in it.
[01:35:11.520] >> Yeah, you guys are in the book. You're
[01:35:12.719] in the book.
[01:35:13.120] >> I'm in the book. Oh yeah.
[01:35:15.120] >> Oh yeah, your name's in You're in there.
[01:35:16.880] >> Here's the book.
[01:35:18.480] >> That's it right time.
[01:35:19.679] >> Yeah. and checked it out.
[01:35:21.840] >> The nuclear connection is longstanding,
[01:35:25.440] widespread, and ongoing.
[01:35:28.960] >> Hastings is a legendary journalist, UFO
[01:35:31.600] researcher, and the author of UFOs and
[01:35:34.000] Nukes, a nearly 600page book
[01:35:37.360] comprehensively chronicling UFO
[01:35:39.520] experiences across nuclear bases in the
[01:35:42.400] United States and abroad.
[01:35:45.600] A former American alchemy guest, he's
[01:35:47.840] spent decades meticulously examining the
[01:35:50.719] nuclear UFO link through experiencers
[01:35:53.600] like Mario.
[01:35:55.760] He's met almost 170 of them to be exact.
[01:35:59.440] Missile security, radar operators,
[01:36:01.840] weapons officers, photo instrumentation
[01:36:04.239] specialists, you name it. All of these
[01:36:07.280] guys, time and time again, report seeing
[01:36:10.480] orbs, lights, tic tacs, hovering over
[01:36:14.000] extremely sensitive military assets.
[01:36:16.880] Sometimes tampering with nukes directly,
[01:36:19.840] and sometimes, as in Mario's case,
[01:36:22.400] abducting the people guarding them.
[01:36:32.880] Malmstrom Air Force Base, 1967.
[01:36:36.320] 10-minute man nuclear missiles go
[01:36:38.400] offline while security police report an
[01:36:41.120] object over the gate.
[01:36:46.639] This was confirmed by two men in two
[01:36:48.719] different rooms, one of whom was launch
[01:36:50.719] control officer Bob Salis, who's been on
[01:36:53.040] the show. We're talking between
[01:36:55.920] September of ' 66
[01:36:58.480] and March of ' 67, we lost 30 missiles
[01:37:04.880] to UFO activity.
[01:37:06.480] >> 30? That's pretty pretty insane. Big su.
[01:37:10.000] September 1964, an Air Force camera crew
[01:37:13.119] films an object firing beams at a dummy
[01:37:16.000] nuclear warhead in flight
[01:37:18.960] and the officer who captured it is told,
[01:37:21.440] "Lieutenant Jacobs, you are never to
[01:37:23.600] speak of this again. It never happened."
[01:37:27.520] >> And then he was deleted from the
[01:37:29.520] government. That photo instrumentation
[01:37:32.239] officer, Bob Jacobs, was definitely in
[01:37:34.880] the government. In fact, he managed
[01:37:37.679] 130 people in his role.
[01:37:39.760] >> Yeah, I had 134 guys working for me and
[01:37:42.000] I took two friends from college who were
[01:37:43.920] my commanding people and I also have
[01:37:47.440] something called a DD14.
[01:37:49.920] >> And later in the '9s, he was finally
[01:37:52.239] vindicated and given backup by his
[01:37:54.480] major, Floren Mansman, who was also
[01:37:56.960] aware of the UFO incident.
[01:38:00.560] Also in September of 1964 at Vandenberg,
[01:38:04.159] another missile security officer,
[01:38:06.000] Richard Bar, was taken aboard a craft
[01:38:09.119] with four alien beings.
[01:38:16.000] While being abducted, Bar was told by
[01:38:18.560] one of the beings that they needed to do
[01:38:20.639] recon on human nuclear missiles so they
[01:38:23.520] could ensure that humanity wouldn't
[01:38:25.280] destroy itself.
[01:38:30.159] And if you're wondering, Bar and Jacobs
[01:38:32.239] didn't even know that one another
[01:38:33.840] existed. I've spoken to many of these
[01:38:36.159] witnesses personally. They've all served
[01:38:38.320] their country with honor and pride and
[01:38:40.800] now have completely normal lives outside
[01:38:43.360] of their remarkable experiences.
[01:38:46.560] Unless you think that this is only
[01:38:48.400] occurring at American nuclear bases,
[01:38:50.960] look no further than the Rendlessham
[01:38:52.880] Forest incident in 1980.
[01:38:56.000] This English forest was the site of the
[01:38:58.400] largest nuclear stockpile in Europe at
[01:39:00.880] the time.
[01:39:02.719] Or you can go as far as Japan. UFOs are
[01:39:05.760] spotted so frequently by Fukushima,
[01:39:08.000] famous for its nuclear energy grid, that
[01:39:10.800] there's a local mountain called Mount
[01:39:12.639] Sen with a museum dedicated to UFOs at
[01:39:16.639] its base.
[01:39:18.960] Or take presidential adviser Harold
[01:39:20.960] Malgren who held pieces of a UFO in his
[01:39:24.000] hands that came down from a high alitude
[01:39:27.040] nuclear test in the Marshall Islands,
[01:39:29.440] the Bluegill Triple Prime test. The
[01:39:31.920] pieces were collected and rushed off to
[01:39:34.159] Sandia National Labs in New Mexico where
[01:39:37.119] Lawrence Preston G, Jeff Bezos's
[01:39:39.760] maternal grandfather and the future
[01:39:41.920] founder of DARPA, showed Malgrim the
[01:39:44.560] pieces. He reached for some stuff
[01:39:46.639] sitting on his desk.
[01:39:49.040] The these are things that have come
[01:39:52.400] down. Round rock, you know.
[01:39:54.960] >> So, you're looking at like material,
[01:39:56.320] anomalous material.
[01:39:57.440] >> Yeah.
[01:39:57.840] >> Debris.
[01:39:58.480] >> Yeah.
[01:39:59.520] >> Take even canonical cases like the
[01:40:01.600] Roswell crash in 1947. Roswell wasn't a
[01:40:04.960] random desert in America. It was the
[01:40:07.040] largest concentration of nuclear weapons
[01:40:09.040] in the world at the time. It was the
[01:40:11.199] only one. Finally, South Dakota's own
[01:40:14.400] Ellsworth Air Force Base itself has a
[01:40:17.280] long history of UFOs showing up on site.
[01:40:21.600] On August 5th, 1953, a trained civilian
[01:40:25.119] spotter calls into the base.
[01:40:27.760] >> A blazing light is suspended low on the
[01:40:30.080] horizon, pulsing, and within minutes,
[01:40:32.880] radar at the South Dakota base locks
[01:40:35.040] onto that unknown object. What happens
[01:40:38.080] next becomes legend.
[01:40:40.480] One pilot gets dispatched and chases the
[01:40:43.199] object for 120 m across the prairie. He
[01:40:47.600] can't catch it. The thing keeps a
[01:40:49.760] perfect 3m gap, toying with him, pulling
[01:40:53.119] away from a military jet like it's
[01:40:55.040] standing still. This thing's flight
[01:40:57.600] capabilities are not normal.
[01:41:01.119] And it doesn't end there. That same
[01:41:03.440] night, the UFO rolls into Bismar, North
[01:41:06.000] Dakota, where 45 stunned towns people
[01:41:09.360] and military air defense personnel watch
[01:41:12.239] strange lights dance across the sky for
[01:41:14.880] two nights straight.
[01:41:16.159] >> Contacts flight pattern.
[01:41:18.239] >> Radar, pilots, dozens of witnesses
[01:41:20.880] across two states. Even Captain Edward
[01:41:24.000] J. Rupelt, the head of Project Blue
[01:41:26.400] Book, the Air Force's own UFO
[01:41:28.719] investigations unit, called it the best
[01:41:31.199] UFO report in their files.
[01:41:35.040] And to this day, the Air Force has never
[01:41:37.520] explained it. And in 1978, one year
[01:41:40.400] after Mario and Michael, a security team
[01:41:42.960] at the base abandoned a silo with the
[01:41:45.440] access plug open, which no security
[01:41:48.000] policeman does, unless he's more afraid
[01:41:49.920] of what's above ground than of the court
[01:41:52.080] marshal. The stories are endless, all at
[01:41:55.360] Ellsworth. Mario and Michael didn't join
[01:41:57.760] that pattern by reading about it. They
[01:41:59.679] joined it together at 12:15 a.m. on
[01:42:02.560] duty.
[01:42:05.840] But the history of UFOs goes beyond this
[01:42:08.400] amazing 600page book. There are
[01:42:11.199] thousands of documents from 1945, the
[01:42:14.080] advent of nuclear weapons. In 1954, the
[01:42:17.440] first time a U2 spy plane was ever
[01:42:19.600] built. So there were no high alitude
[01:42:22.000] recon planes in existence at the time
[01:42:24.320] that discuss UFOs around nuclear bases
[01:42:27.679] all over the United States. No skeptic
[01:42:31.119] has ever been able to explain this away.
[01:42:33.760] And I don't think they'll ever be able
[01:42:35.440] to. Drones were invented decades later.
[01:42:38.880] And the documents come from every
[01:42:40.400] government agency, Army, Navy, CIA, FBI,
[01:42:44.560] and they definitely all didn't
[01:42:46.000] coordinate well with each other at the
[01:42:47.600] time.
[01:42:52.719] What really got me
[01:42:55.119] was of all those sites out there,
[01:42:59.040] why November 5, the closest to a town,
[01:43:01.520] the closest to the launch control
[01:43:02.960] facility and the least amount of travel
[01:43:05.199] time for all other nine missiles?
[01:43:08.000] >> I don't have no clue.
[01:43:09.040] >> They know. They know that site's
[01:43:10.960] connect. I mean, what is their visual
[01:43:12.639] acuity of being able to see things under
[01:43:15.280] our ground?
[01:43:15.840] >> I don't know. electrical wires leading
[01:43:17.360] all the way back to November control. 50
[01:43:19.040] feet below the ground. Can they see
[01:43:20.400] that? Sure they can.
[01:43:21.679] >> Nuclear, man. Nuclear,
[01:43:23.199] >> you know. Well, the nuclear is contained
[01:43:25.360] contained in the head of that missile,
[01:43:26.719] though. It's not It's not all over the
[01:43:28.639] side.
[01:43:29.520] >> What What is it? Uranium, man. You know
[01:43:31.440] what?
[01:43:32.960] Somebody wants something. Somebody wants
[01:43:34.960] something. That's why you're here.
[01:43:36.719] >> They know it's there.
[01:43:38.000] >> Do you know of any other cases on
[01:43:39.679] Ellsworth Air Force Base across the
[01:43:41.840] years? Two other cases.
[01:43:43.040] >> Two other cases. which what what do you
[01:43:44.800] know about?
[01:43:45.679] >> Before we got there, there was another
[01:43:48.480] case in in Wall, South Dakota, where two
[01:43:51.119] guys are it was in the Echo area,
[01:43:53.760] responded to another site
[01:43:58.239] and um I was told this at a later time.
[01:44:01.920] And uh
[01:44:04.080] anyway, the two guys were somehow
[01:44:06.400] separated at the at the site itself and
[01:44:09.679] one was found like a/4 mile away with
[01:44:12.800] very few clothes on, weapon and
[01:44:15.520] everything else not missing but way away
[01:44:18.480] from him and not in in his ultimate
[01:44:21.199] control.
[01:44:22.880] And the other guy was out of the vehicle
[01:44:26.080] and he was a couple of hundred yards
[01:44:28.639] away from the vehicle which was sitting
[01:44:30.480] outside of the facility itself outside
[01:44:32.800] of the uh the LF.
[01:44:35.520] Um and he too was like 90% naked
[01:44:40.159] >> and it was extremely cold and somehow
[01:44:43.840] somebody found him. I don't know if a
[01:44:45.520] backup alert team found him but the
[01:44:47.119] story that I got was kind of broken. Um
[01:44:49.760] >> who'd you hear the story from? from a
[01:44:51.440] from a guy that was out in the field was
[01:44:53.360] talking about it. You know,
[01:44:54.719] >> that's strange too. I heard that too
[01:44:56.320] >> after really after after our incident
[01:44:59.440] because you know
[01:45:00.560] >> people asked people heard about this
[01:45:02.400] stuff with us.
[01:45:03.199] >> I heard people asked me about it in the
[01:45:04.960] field. I mean when I went to Kilo
[01:45:06.320] control
[01:45:07.040] >> I mean there was nothing but officers
[01:45:08.639] there and the flight chief and the
[01:45:10.960] assistant flight chief and all visitors
[01:45:12.639] that came out to tour the facilities.
[01:45:14.400] They came to Kilo.
[01:45:15.520] >> They had been separated and one of their
[01:45:17.760] clothes had been removed.
[01:45:19.119] >> Yeah. Both of them. both of them. Their
[01:45:21.199] vehicle was was two 300 yards away.
[01:45:23.600] Weapons were separated from they were
[01:45:25.280] they were had little or no clothes on
[01:45:27.600] and it's extremely cold and and it's not
[01:45:31.360] laying down in grass out there. That's
[01:45:33.280] some you know I don't know if you walked
[01:45:35.600] around Robert's place, but did you see
[01:45:36.960] the cactus on the ground there?
[01:45:38.480] >> Yeah.
[01:45:38.800] >> Well, that's similar.
[01:45:40.480] >> How common do you think this is?
[01:45:44.159] You know,
[01:45:46.560] I probably heard about four or five
[01:45:48.239] other cases and not just in the missile
[01:45:50.480] field, but back at Ellsworth also, of
[01:45:53.440] objects coming down the runway over the
[01:45:56.080] over the weapon storage area, WSA, or
[01:45:59.520] the uploaded aircraft on the alert pad,
[01:46:01.679] which at that time were B-52 bombers.
[01:46:04.480] And then when uh
[01:46:08.480] aircraft were scrambled to see what
[01:46:10.480] these things were, they just flew off in
[01:46:12.960] the distance and vanished.
[01:46:14.719] >> They jets would come back. And I think
[01:46:17.679] some of this was even in the late 50s.
[01:46:22.320] Um
[01:46:24.000] they would come back, they'd rescramble
[01:46:25.679] the jets after them again. They'd be
[01:46:27.040] playing hide-and-seek half the night. I
[01:46:29.199] mean, one other thing thought I had is
[01:46:30.880] if you know, if this Eisenhower rumor
[01:46:33.040] that like there was a deal done in 1954
[01:46:36.159] at Edwards Air Force Base and he was,
[01:46:38.159] you know, had this dentist appointment.
[01:46:40.000] He was in Palm Springs, but in fact it
[01:46:41.920] was really a cover in order to do a deal
[01:46:44.239] with the aliens
[01:46:46.320] >> in order for them to, you know,
[01:46:47.920] basically have access to the American
[01:46:50.400] population as far as medical
[01:46:51.679] experimentation.
[01:46:52.880] >> Where would you want to limit the
[01:46:54.000] medical experimentation to? It would
[01:46:56.080] probably be these nuclear sites. You'd
[01:46:58.800] probably want to confine a lot of the
[01:47:00.320] medical experimentation to where you
[01:47:02.719] already have the most kind of ironclad
[01:47:06.000] secrecy set up. All of these protocols.
[01:47:08.080] >> Well, that's a good way to think about
[01:47:09.040] it.
[01:47:09.360] >> And so I wonder if like you're like,
[01:47:10.800] yeah, you can, you know, abduct people
[01:47:12.400] in our population, but like you know,
[01:47:14.080] most of them have to be, you know, in
[01:47:16.000] these sites,
[01:47:16.800] >> be military or be something in
[01:47:18.639] conjunction with those sites. Is that
[01:47:20.159] what you mean?
[01:47:20.639] >> Yeah. And then Air Force Office of
[01:47:21.840] Special Investigations has like more of
[01:47:23.520] a a sense that they can rapidly respond,
[01:47:26.400] right?
[01:47:26.800] >> Because they know, you know, okay,
[01:47:28.320] there's something going on at these
[01:47:29.440] nuclear sites where we're already
[01:47:31.360] >> we're already like we have our our kind
[01:47:33.119] of apparatus set up. Somebody told me
[01:47:35.760] long ago about that very thing that
[01:47:39.920] that these visitors
[01:47:42.960] already had a place picked out where
[01:47:45.040] they wanted to reside or be able to be
[01:47:49.119] here on this planet
[01:47:51.600] >> and of course it was under a mountain
[01:47:53.199] range and it was Duly.
[01:47:56.480] >> I didn't even know the name then. I'd
[01:47:58.000] never heard of it before.
[01:47:58.880] >> Yeah. Does have you ever seen Let me
[01:48:01.040] show you a picture of a guy and then I
[01:48:03.840] want to see if he looks familiar to you.
[01:48:06.000] I don't want to give you the name. I
[01:48:08.000] just want to see if the face looks
[01:48:10.400] familiar. Hold on. Does this guy look
[01:48:14.080] familiar at all?
[01:48:17.520] Like a younger version of him.
[01:48:21.360] >> Simple, calm talking and everything. He
[01:48:23.360] was very calm talking. The one I'm
[01:48:25.040] looking at, he was very calm talking,
[01:48:27.119] very smart.
[01:48:29.040] I see a I I can't picture him, but I see
[01:48:31.840] I see a guy like him. Like like you say,
[01:48:34.560] younger version younger had glasses on,
[01:48:37.119] but
[01:48:39.040] you know,
[01:48:39.760] >> show him Rick Dodie.
[01:48:40.960] >> Good job.
[01:48:42.000] >> There's one thing that rings true across
[01:48:44.480] all of these cases. The Air Force Office
[01:48:47.280] of Special Investigations, OSI, always
[01:48:50.560] shows up. They swear the witness to
[01:48:52.719] secrecy, sometimes threatening them into
[01:48:55.040] silence. But Mario's debrief involved
[01:48:57.840] perhaps the most infamous Air Force
[01:49:00.159] Office of Special Investigations agent
[01:49:02.480] of all time,
[01:49:05.119] Rick Dodie.
[01:49:08.320] For 37 years, Mario didn't know it. The
[01:49:11.600] junior OSI agent at his Ellsworth
[01:49:13.840] debrief was just a face until 2014 when
[01:49:17.520] that exact face showed up in his living
[01:49:19.840] room and Mario shouted at the TV,
[01:49:22.239] >> "I know that guy." The name on the
[01:49:24.320] screen was Richard Dodie. If you don't
[01:49:27.280] know that name, here's what four decades
[01:49:29.360] of reporting has established. Richard
[01:49:31.600] Dodie spent the early 1980s as a special
[01:49:34.560] agent stationed at Kirtland Air Force
[01:49:36.639] Base running disinformation against UFO
[01:49:39.840] researchers.
[01:49:41.520] That's not an accusation. It's his own
[01:49:44.000] admission backed both by documents
[01:49:46.159] released under the Freedom of
[01:49:47.520] Information Act and a great book called
[01:49:50.239] Project Beta by Greg Bishop. Bishop
[01:49:52.880] documents the infamous case of Paul
[01:49:55.199] Benowitz, an Albuquerque based engineer
[01:49:58.239] and businessman who thought he'd
[01:50:00.239] detected something anomalous flying over
[01:50:02.800] the base. And instead of being given a
[01:50:05.040] simple slap on the wrist, he was fed
[01:50:07.360] fabrications about local quote unquote
[01:50:10.000] alien bases in nearby Dulce, New Mexico,
[01:50:13.040] he was given forged documents and
[01:50:15.199] invented programs until he basically
[01:50:17.440] unraveled right into a psychiatric
[01:50:19.840] hospital. At one point, he was even
[01:50:22.719] given a computer that he was told could
[01:50:25.040] decode alien signals, a challenge and
[01:50:27.840] duty he became obsessed with.
[01:50:31.440] He was delivered occasional true
[01:50:33.280] fragments braided with lies, all to
[01:50:35.840] protect what were probably real
[01:50:37.679] classified programs he had been snooping
[01:50:39.840] on while living across the street from
[01:50:41.679] Kirtland.
[01:50:43.360] The whole unfortunate saga is chronicled
[01:50:45.679] beautifully by Bishop and it made Dodie
[01:50:48.159] the most radioactive name in this
[01:50:50.239] subject. The government's UFO man and
[01:50:52.960] the reason you can't trust the
[01:50:54.480] government on UFOs.
[01:50:57.360] At some point, the government's strategy
[01:50:59.119] on UFOs moved from be silent about what
[01:51:01.840] you saw or else to, oh yeah, you saw an
[01:51:04.560] alien. In fact, there are 16 races of
[01:51:07.040] aliens from four different star systems,
[01:51:09.199] and you happen to meet the lizard people
[01:51:11.119] from Kepler 186.
[01:51:14.719] In other words, it moved from a
[01:51:16.560] categorical non-admission of anything to
[01:51:19.520] a promotion of everything, flood the
[01:51:21.840] zone with nonsense. Understanding truth
[01:51:24.400] involves finding a signal in the noise.
[01:51:27.280] To divert from the truth, then you can
[01:51:29.199] try to stamp out the signal, but that
[01:51:30.880] can be hard. Sometimes it's easier to
[01:51:33.920] just increase the noise.
[01:51:38.480] >> State your name.
[01:51:39.280] >> Um, Michael. Michael Johnson.
[01:51:41.760] >> That's right. And nothing happened last
[01:51:43.599] night, did it?
[01:51:45.119] >> Nothing happened.
[01:51:46.560] >> Now, look at what was done with Mario's
[01:51:48.480] case in 1977 at Ellsworth.
[01:51:52.719] Literally, a fake incident was created
[01:51:55.280] in 1977 in November to discredit Mario
[01:51:59.119] and Michael's experience. The event is
[01:52:01.119] known as the November 1977 site L9
[01:52:05.199] incident. There's even a famous supposed
[01:52:08.000] Air Force document claiming that on
[01:52:09.920] November 16th, 1977,
[01:52:12.960] a day before Mario and Michael's real
[01:52:15.360] experience at site L9 Minute Man missile
[01:52:18.560] field north of Ellsworth, aliens shot at
[01:52:21.440] Air Force security with a beam weapon at
[01:52:23.679] a launch facility.
[01:52:27.280] That's right. This document says that
[01:52:29.119] aliens supposedly attacked a nuclear
[01:52:31.679] site. The Air Force document reads like
[01:52:34.239] a security log.
[01:52:36.560] At 8:59 p.m. on November 16th, 1977, an
[01:52:41.119] outer zone alarm goes off at L9 and a
[01:52:44.000] twoman security alert team, just like
[01:52:46.400] Michael and Mario, A1C Jenkins and A1C
[01:52:49.760] Raiki, is dispatched. On arrival, they
[01:52:52.480] see a bright light shining vertically
[01:52:54.320] from behind the fence. Again, kind of
[01:52:56.800] similar to Michael and Mario. Raiki goes
[01:52:59.440] to investigate and encounters an alien
[01:53:01.760] looking figure in a glowing green
[01:53:03.440] metallic uniform with a helmet and a
[01:53:05.520] visor.
[01:53:07.040] The being then aims some unknown weapon
[01:53:09.679] that disintegrates Riki's M16 and burns
[01:53:12.639] his hands.
[01:53:14.480] Jenkins then sees two figures, fires two
[01:53:17.280] rounds at them, and watches them board a
[01:53:19.280] saucer about 20 ft in diameter that
[01:53:21.599] glows green, climbs vertically, and
[01:53:23.920] vanishes to the east. The document
[01:53:26.400] escalates from there. Nuclear components
[01:53:28.960] missing from a warhead, Riki
[01:53:30.960] hospitalized, and his rifle never found.
[01:53:36.400] Written on a supposed Air Force letter
[01:53:38.400] head, this document would be totally
[01:53:40.480] remarkable if it weren't totally fake, a
[01:53:43.520] documented hoax.
[01:53:46.080] There's no matching Air Force record for
[01:53:48.080] this document. a Freedom of Information
[01:53:50.159] Act claim that was never substantiated
[01:53:52.480] was the source of it and misspellings
[01:53:54.880] like missile with no second I and launch
[01:53:58.159] but spelled with no U, so it's spelled
[01:54:00.000] like lanch. Strategic is spelled both as
[01:54:02.960] strategic and strategic. Also, just look
[01:54:06.560] at the second page of that document.
[01:54:09.040] Four names, four social security
[01:54:11.520] numbers. Airman Raiki's number ends in
[01:54:14.159] 7556.
[01:54:16.159] Sergeant Stewart's number also ends in
[01:54:19.199] 7556.
[01:54:21.119] Investigator Brad Sparks showed the
[01:54:22.960] radiation figures were physically wrong
[01:54:25.040] for the actual survey meters, and the
[01:54:27.199] calm news report tone didn't exactly
[01:54:29.920] match what you'd expect from an official
[01:54:32.000] document describing missing nuclear
[01:54:34.320] warhead components.
[01:54:36.639] These are errors no Air Force typist
[01:54:38.880] would ever make in a classified missile
[01:54:40.960] security report. No airman ever came
[01:54:43.280] forward. No hospital record ever
[01:54:45.440] surfaced. This is literally pure BS.
[01:54:53.679] But why would such a story like this get
[01:54:55.679] fabricated? Well, it's probably not a
[01:54:58.239] coincidence that this story is about a
[01:55:00.159] twoman team just like Michael and Mario
[01:55:03.280] getting attacked by aliens in November
[01:55:06.159] of 1977,
[01:55:08.080] just a day before their actual event
[01:55:10.800] occurred. But it gets even crazier. The
[01:55:13.920] trail on this fake document leads back
[01:55:16.480] to none other than Richard C. Dodie.
[01:55:20.239] According to well-respected physicist
[01:55:22.239] and UFO researcher Bruce Mcabe,
[01:55:24.719] researcher Bill Moore acknowledged that
[01:55:27.119] Dodie confessed to forging the Ellsworth
[01:55:30.000] document, the entire L9 incident made up
[01:55:33.599] by Dodie,
[01:55:35.440] the same special agent with the Air
[01:55:37.520] Force Office of Special Investigations,
[01:55:40.320] who has publicly described being tasked
[01:55:43.040] with hoaxing the documents that
[01:55:45.280] psychologically destroyed Albuquerque
[01:55:47.520] businessman Paul Benowitz. the same Rick
[01:55:50.320] Dodie who now himself admits to being
[01:55:52.960] present at Mario Woods's debrief.
[01:55:56.480] So, I'll let you be the judge, but it
[01:55:58.320] kind of seems like Rick Dodie might have
[01:56:00.080] been in training for Air Force counter
[01:56:02.320] intelligence during Mario's debrief, a
[01:56:05.199] role he officially started a year later.
[01:56:07.840] But maybe this was his first disinfo
[01:56:10.159] job.
[01:56:16.320] pretty crazy, but it's also intelligence
[01:56:18.719] at its finest. It's an age-old tactic.
[01:56:21.920] Surround the truth with a bodyguard of
[01:56:24.000] lies. Create slightly modified versions
[01:56:26.719] of the truth that are provably false so
[01:56:29.760] that anyone who finds and publicly
[01:56:31.920] promotes the truth is considered crazy.
[01:56:35.040] You're essentially inoculating the
[01:56:36.800] public against the truth, ensuring that
[01:56:39.280] they never look into a topic again by
[01:56:41.679] pre-stigmatizing it. So, I think it's a
[01:56:44.000] reasonable conclusion that Dodie
[01:56:45.920] ingested the details of Mario and
[01:56:47.840] Michael's abduction
[01:56:49.920] and crafted a false but very similar
[01:56:52.080] story to ensure that no one would ever
[01:56:54.239] take it seriously again.
[01:56:59.119] Of course, ultimately, we'll always be
[01:57:01.199] left speculating and we won't have a
[01:57:03.280] smoking gun. But if you aren't already
[01:57:05.280] sure, then take this fact. Dodie
[01:57:07.599] actually did a podcast with Mario where
[01:57:10.239] he tried to double down on the story and
[01:57:12.639] then he tried to cover his tracks by
[01:57:14.639] saying some of the details were
[01:57:16.080] mistaken.
[01:57:17.040] >> He was so covered by the guys that did
[01:57:20.639] the podcast
[01:57:22.480] that it was very difficult to get a
[01:57:24.639] straight answer out of any any three of
[01:57:27.360] them
[01:57:28.960] >> and it was really quite frustrating.
[01:57:30.960] >> I'll let you go find that footage. It's
[01:57:33.199] available to anyone who searches.
[01:57:36.080] But unfortunately, this all means that
[01:57:38.159] Mario's skin samples and probably both
[01:57:40.719] Michael and Mario's files passed through
[01:57:43.520] the hands of a man who 18 months later
[01:57:46.480] would begin one of the longest running
[01:57:48.480] deception campaigns in the history of
[01:57:50.960] this subject.
[01:57:54.159] >> For a long time, you had been saying
[01:57:55.599] that Jack Reed was the officer in charge
[01:57:57.679] in your case in that case.
[01:57:59.199] >> And then you you bring it up to Dodie
[01:58:00.880] and he was just very casually admitted
[01:58:02.880] that that was the case.
[01:58:04.159] >> Yeah,
[01:58:04.480] >> that's fascinating.
[01:58:05.119] >> And he acted at the very beginning like
[01:58:06.639] he didn't know Michael's name. And I
[01:58:08.960] said, "Well,
[01:58:10.880] I asked him. I said, "What do you mean
[01:58:12.639] you don't know his name? You knew my
[01:58:13.840] name? Why would you not know Michael's
[01:58:15.360] name?"
[01:58:16.159] >> Cuz he he tried to he just kind of he
[01:58:18.480] just tried to shove it off a little bit
[01:58:20.000] and I just nailed him on it.
[01:58:24.239] >> This show literally never comes after
[01:58:26.159] people gratuitously. And I don't want to
[01:58:28.320] hammer on Dodie. But if I had one
[01:58:30.480] message to him, I would implore him now.
[01:58:33.679] If he is in fact continuing any of his
[01:58:36.159] Flood the Zone strategy with aliens and
[01:58:38.400] UFOs, just lay off, dude. Leave
[01:58:41.199] 70-year-old Mario alone. He's clearly
[01:58:44.480] gone through enough. And the American
[01:58:46.639] people deserve better, too. So, I hope
[01:58:48.960] for all of our sake and his that Dodie,
[01:58:51.760] if he had any involvement with that fake
[01:58:54.239] 1977 Ellsworth alien attack document, if
[01:58:57.840] he could just come forward and come
[01:58:59.760] clean just as he did with the stories he
[01:59:02.159] fed Paul Benoitz again. Mario and
[01:59:04.719] Michael don't need that validation, but
[01:59:06.719] it would at least be a sign of respect
[01:59:09.199] and the best way to repent.
[01:59:12.960] Michael, how do you feel now that you
[01:59:15.119] know that in society the frame is
[01:59:17.520] actually flipping where before maybe it
[01:59:20.000] was this shameful thing that you had to
[01:59:21.599] kind of shove in the trunk and not talk
[01:59:23.199] about and now it's it's celebrated and
[01:59:26.239] seen as a really unique kind of inquiry
[01:59:29.520] and foray into the nature of reality,
[01:59:31.599] who human beings are, which we're just
[01:59:33.599] kind of starting to get to the bottom
[01:59:35.360] of, but it's being accepted at the
[01:59:37.760] highest levels. The president is now
[01:59:39.520] talking about it. You know, the the
[01:59:41.679] Pentagon is looking into this
[01:59:43.040] officially. It's no longer this
[01:59:44.480] stigmatized thing. How do you feel about
[01:59:46.639] that?
[01:59:47.599] >> Just disappointed
[01:59:49.760] because it was there him and I saw it
[01:59:52.639] was there when I was little boy seeing
[01:59:54.480] it and oh now oh the government now they
[01:59:56.639] want to talk about it now. You know the
[01:59:58.719] files are open now for this. People been
[02:00:01.440] seeing this for the longest time. I have
[02:00:04.480] seen strange occurrences
[02:00:07.040] in Missouri, in the Ozarks,
[02:00:10.639] Texas,
[02:00:12.480] Air Force. I seen it now. They want to
[02:00:15.280] make it see it's normal thing now. No,
[02:00:17.199] it wasn't normal when we saw it, but now
[02:00:18.960] you want to make it normal. I feel a
[02:00:20.320] little disgusted. But I accept it. But I
[02:00:22.639] feel disgusted though about it though. I
[02:00:24.239] really do because we've been saying
[02:00:25.599] people had died saying that what they
[02:00:27.679] had seen.
[02:00:28.800] >> People passed away. Great grandmothers,
[02:00:30.960] our forefathers seen this. Hell, it been
[02:00:33.760] back in slavery, civil war days. Strange
[02:00:36.880] things happening.
[02:00:37.760] >> Sure did. Vietnam.
[02:00:39.599] >> Okay.
[02:00:40.080] >> Foo fighters through wars.
[02:00:42.320] >> Yeah. You think you shoot at somebody,
[02:00:43.520] you ain't shoot at nothing. Waste your
[02:00:45.119] fire out there. Guy in Vietnam told me
[02:00:47.199] that. You know what I'm saying? It's
[02:00:48.800] spook.
[02:00:50.400] >> Oh, [ __ ]
[02:00:51.360] >> No, don't apologize. I think you're
[02:00:53.280] right.
[02:00:58.639] He kept a 50-year-old order to keep his
[02:01:01.280] experience a secret out of habit and
[02:01:03.679] shame long after the Air Force forgot he
[02:01:06.880] existed. And Mario kept it for a
[02:01:10.080] different reason. After the service, he
[02:01:12.400] went to the Department of Energy,
[02:01:14.159] Oakidge, Los Alamos, a Q clearance,
[02:01:17.440] reinvestigated every 18 months. One word
[02:01:20.960] about his firsthand sighting of beams
[02:01:23.119] and beings and that career quickly
[02:01:25.520] grinds to a halt.
[02:01:27.040] >> I I had to repress this because my first
[02:01:29.679] clearance took over 8 months to obtain
[02:01:33.520] which I couldn't quite understand
[02:01:34.960] because I never had any infractions or
[02:01:36.960] anything like that with the law. I was
[02:01:38.560] when I was discharged, I was discharged
[02:01:40.080] on honorable conditions and um
[02:01:44.480] went directly to work for the US
[02:01:46.159] Department of Energy and uh
[02:01:50.080] after that first clearance, it wasn't 4
[02:01:52.960] months later they were doing another
[02:01:54.320] clearance on me,
[02:01:55.679] >> a recheck. So when they do that, then
[02:02:00.719] you know it's just not a one-on-one
[02:02:02.159] thing because the Office of Personnel
[02:02:03.440] Management does these these clearance
[02:02:05.280] checks. So they research everything back
[02:02:08.000] about 17 18 years and uh they they
[02:02:11.440] they'll they'll pull up your second and
[02:02:13.280] third grade school teachers if they can
[02:02:14.800] find them in their line. They're trying
[02:02:16.480] to they're trying to set you trying to
[02:02:19.280] get like averages and they can see what
[02:02:21.520] kind of person somebody becomes from a
[02:02:23.440] young age. That's how they can kind of
[02:02:24.800] gauge things. I I mean I really believe
[02:02:26.880] that. I I have a lot of faith in them.
[02:02:29.920] And uh but just four months after my
[02:02:32.800] original clearance after all the guys
[02:02:34.960] kept looking at me like what the hell's
[02:02:36.239] taking you so long? What did you do?
[02:02:38.080] >> It put that puts that guilt trip on you.
[02:02:40.400] You know I once I once had a guy at DOE
[02:02:43.679] tell me you know talking about because
[02:02:45.920] anytime I could talk to some of these
[02:02:47.440] people about some of these things I
[02:02:49.599] would and these people are basically
[02:02:51.840] they'll say anything
[02:02:54.080] for some a little bit of attention.
[02:02:55.599] They'll they'll they'll talk to you
[02:02:57.199] because nobody really talks to them.
[02:02:59.119] There's no clocks. There's no windows in
[02:03:00.800] their laboratories.
[02:03:02.080] >> Have you ever had any conversations with
[02:03:03.760] any of those people that lead you to
[02:03:05.280] believe that we have UFOs in and
[02:03:08.239] hangers? We have
[02:03:09.280] >> we have we have technology. They didn't
[02:03:10.880] they never said full craft on alien
[02:03:14.080] being or anything like that. But I was
[02:03:16.719] always interested in what do we have?
[02:03:19.760] >> Well, I had one guy just say, "Well, I
[02:03:21.679] can Their propulsion systems are not
[02:03:25.119] built. They're grown."
[02:03:26.880] >> What?
[02:03:27.840] >> Yeah. Propulsion system is not built,
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[02:05:59.520] >> I was always interested in what do we
[02:06:01.520] have? Well, I had one guy just say,
[02:06:04.320] "Well, I can Their propulsion systems
[02:06:07.360] are not built. They're grown."
[02:06:10.000] >> What?
[02:06:10.960] >> Yeah.
[02:06:11.920] >> Propulsion system is not built. It's
[02:06:14.159] grown.
[02:06:14.639] >> Like a like a like a biological material
[02:06:16.719] or something.
[02:06:17.280] >> Yeah. It's grown. That's what he told
[02:06:19.280] me.
[02:06:19.520] >> And then did you say what does that
[02:06:20.639] mean?
[02:06:21.360] >> Of course I did. I can't go into that,
[02:06:23.520] but I'm just telling you they're not
[02:06:24.880] built as we assemble an engine or a V8
[02:06:26.960] engine. These are they're grown.
[02:06:28.880] >> And who was this? You like highle
[02:06:31.520] description. Yeah.
[02:06:32.960] >> Uh somebody that uh uh had the
[02:06:36.480] capability of running a control room at
[02:06:39.280] Los Alamos for a burst of an element.
[02:06:42.639] >> Interesting.
[02:06:43.199] >> That was in charge of that.
[02:06:45.040] >> Whoa.
[02:06:45.679] >> Mhm.
[02:06:46.079] >> When you say a burst of an element.
[02:06:47.840] >> Yeah. Of a marium.
[02:06:49.760] >> Interesting.
[02:06:50.000] >> I think that's element. Is that 95?
[02:06:52.400] >> Okay.
[02:06:52.719] >> I think that's 95. When you say a burst
[02:06:55.040] of an element,
[02:06:55.840] >> when they put it into a
[02:06:57.360] >> a reactor,
[02:06:58.480] >> put it into a reactor and they subject
[02:07:00.880] it to
[02:07:02.480] >> alpha, beta, or gamma, gamma, and they
[02:07:05.920] >> look for different isotope.
[02:07:07.440] >> They they burst it like it would be a
[02:07:09.440] like a mini blast, but it's contained.
[02:07:11.520] It's just granular at this point.
[02:07:14.000] >> And then they can scale up, you know,
[02:07:15.599] for whatever else it's intended to do.
[02:07:18.639] >> Do you say anything else? Uh, metal
[02:07:21.679] surfaces were um could be
[02:07:25.920] manipulated to like
[02:07:28.800] put things through, in or out
[02:07:32.719] and whatever whatever that means.
[02:07:34.719] >> What does that mean? Metal surfaces.
[02:07:36.400] >> Metal surfaces or surfaces that can be
[02:07:38.400] penetrated or exited from or entered
[02:07:41.679] into like pass through a wall or
[02:07:45.360] >> like solid objects. Not metal. Yeah,
[02:07:47.040] solid object.
[02:07:47.679] >> Solid objects.
[02:07:48.800] >> Oh, yeah. I mean that that seems to be
[02:07:50.719] like what you see them do materialize
[02:07:53.199] dematerialize at will and then pass
[02:07:54.560] through solid objects.
[02:07:55.520] >> It all has to be frequency and sound and
[02:07:57.440] they're they're studying the hell out of
[02:07:58.960] that. Right.
[02:07:59.280] >> Well, if you were also you had like
[02:08:00.639] perfect macroscopic, you know, quantum
[02:08:02.960] coherence
[02:08:04.159] >> then you could theoretically like pass
[02:08:06.079] through a wall or something.
[02:08:07.599] >> Sure.
[02:08:08.400] >> At night time I do see but nobody know
[02:08:11.199] listen to me. I just see lights out in
[02:08:13.360] out there around the nuclear sites and
[02:08:14.880] everything.
[02:08:15.679] >> I said that ain't no huge helicopter.
[02:08:17.360] That's no black hole. That's not, you
[02:08:19.119] know, B-52, you know, it goes up, break
[02:08:21.520] out, go down. So, I just thought maybe
[02:08:23.280] just I just shower just some reflection
[02:08:25.119] on lights.
[02:08:25.840] >> So, you so you saw other UFOs at
[02:08:28.480] Ellsworth Air Force Base before your
[02:08:30.239] experience?
[02:08:31.040] >> Yeah, I did. But who I'm going to tell
[02:08:32.800] it to? Nobody going to believe me. You
[02:08:34.480] know what I'm saying? And I just said,
[02:08:36.000] well, you know, even on Pine Ridge
[02:08:38.639] Indian Reservation, you know, I saw one
[02:08:41.280] I saw two on Pine Ridge. Now, it's time
[02:08:45.119] for an update because since we've filmed
[02:08:47.520] this, Michael has recovered all sorts of
[02:08:50.320] other crazy memories. He's piecing
[02:08:52.639] things together at a rapid pace and some
[02:08:55.360] of these new fragments are remarkable.
[02:08:58.239] He told us that in the weeks before that
[02:09:00.320] November night, cattle had been turning
[02:09:02.560] up dead around the missile field. These
[02:09:05.360] cattle were not killed by predators.
[02:09:07.679] Often, their eyes were missing.
[02:09:09.599] Sometimes their tongue would be missing.
[02:09:11.760] One of them was split in half. In
[02:09:14.480] certain cases, they were bloodless,
[02:09:16.960] marked with precise incisions, your
[02:09:19.599] classic cattle mutilations. Cattle
[02:09:22.079] mutilations were a real documented
[02:09:24.480] problem across the northern plains in
[02:09:26.639] the 70s. Sheriffs investigated. States
[02:09:29.920] did. The FBI eventually did, too. Nobody
[02:09:33.679] ever explained them. And when Michael
[02:09:36.079] photographed one of these mutilations,
[02:09:38.560] his camera was confiscated. Make of that
[02:09:41.920] what you will. All of these nuclear
[02:09:44.960] sites are also on sacred Native American
[02:09:48.480] land.
[02:09:49.440] >> And so there's something about it's like
[02:09:50.960] the skinwalker thing and and you know,
[02:09:54.239] Lakota land in Ellsworth's case, but all
[02:09:58.079] of these sites are are on
[02:09:59.599] >> Colorado. Yeah. FE War Cheyenne,
[02:10:01.599] Wyoming. Yes. Cheyenne Wyoming.
[02:10:03.520] >> Oh. So, what's that about?
[02:10:07.599] There's one part of this story we
[02:10:09.679] haven't turned the page on yet. The land
[02:10:12.000] itself. Ellsworth, as with many American
[02:10:15.199] nuclear sites, is placed on some of the
[02:10:17.920] most sacred Native American land in
[02:10:20.560] existence.
[02:10:24.960] A bit of history. American Indian lands
[02:10:27.920] are estimated to hold as much as 50% of
[02:10:30.960] potential US uranium reserves.
[02:10:34.079] In fact, Edgemont, South Dakota, at the
[02:10:36.480] southwestern edge of the Black Hills,
[02:10:38.400] about 80 m from Ellsworth was one of the
[02:10:41.520] earliest uranium boom towns during the
[02:10:44.000] Cold War. So, Ellsworth is in close
[02:10:46.639] proximity to enriched uranium, making it
[02:10:49.520] a great candidate for storing nuclear
[02:10:51.679] warheads.
[02:10:54.000] But it wasn't so convenient for
[02:10:55.679] everybody.
[02:10:58.079] 150 Minute Man silos were sunk into land
[02:11:00.880] that was guaranteed to the great Sue
[02:11:03.040] Nation by the 1868 Fort Laram treaty. A
[02:11:07.040] case that was apparently so egregious
[02:11:09.679] that the courts called it as
[02:11:11.360] dishonorable a dealing as American
[02:11:13.520] history contains.
[02:11:16.800] In fact, the Lakota Sue people have
[02:11:19.760] refused compensation for the territory
[02:11:22.400] over 40 years because taking it would
[02:11:25.520] accept the premise that they gave up the
[02:11:27.840] Black Hills in the first place.
[02:11:30.960] They call the territory Hey Sappa Paha
[02:11:33.599] Sappa, which translates directly to the
[02:11:36.400] heart of everything that is not a name
[02:11:39.760] that you'd call anything that you'd part
[02:11:41.840] with lightly.
[02:11:44.400] In Lakota cosmology, the hills are
[02:11:47.119] specifically a sky place, a star map
[02:11:50.320] where ceremonial sights on the ground
[02:11:52.800] mirror the constellations above, where
[02:11:55.760] the thunder beings arrive at Bar in
[02:11:58.320] storm and lightning to deliver
[02:12:00.000] terrifying transformative visions, where
[02:12:02.719] fallen stars descended from the
[02:12:04.560] skyworld. And where the seven girls rose
[02:12:07.119] from Bear Lodge to become Plleades. The
[02:12:10.320] American government, in other words,
[02:12:12.000] took the region its peoples understood
[02:12:14.159] as the hinge between the earth and the
[02:12:16.400] sky and planted the apocalypse in it.
[02:12:21.440] And farther southwest was the Navajo
[02:12:23.920] Nation, a people also deeply connected
[02:12:26.639] to the cosmos in their traditions and
[02:12:28.960] teachings. They also inhabited land rich
[02:12:31.920] in uranium that would later be mined to
[02:12:34.159] build the nuclear warheads at Ellsworth.
[02:12:38.560] Their most important tradition, the
[02:12:40.639] Navajo Night Chant, a sacred 9-day
[02:12:43.679] winter healing ceremony centered on
[02:12:45.840] restoring balance, health, and harmony.
[02:12:48.800] Remember this Navajo night chant because
[02:12:51.119] it'll come up again in this video.
[02:12:56.079] I hadn't seen Close Encounters yet
[02:12:57.679] either. That was that was the next thing
[02:12:59.440] afterwards. A couple weeks later, went
[02:13:00.960] to see Close Encounters.
[02:13:02.400] >> Well, aren't the similarities with Close
[02:13:04.639] Encounters just wild with your guys'
[02:13:06.639] experience? Because you see the the car
[02:13:08.960] get sucked up onto the craft, right?
[02:13:11.199] >> Well,
[02:13:12.159] >> you know,
[02:13:12.880] >> I saw the the part where he pulls up to
[02:13:15.440] the mailboxes, put the flat puts the
[02:13:17.040] flashlight in his mouth, Roy Erie, and
[02:13:19.599] the mailboxes start rocking. Of course,
[02:13:21.199] that's Hollywood, you know, but it, you
[02:13:22.960] know, 77, they got Curiosity up a great
[02:13:25.440] deal and then that light hit him and
[02:13:28.560] then it seemed as if everything inside
[02:13:30.639] the truck started moving. It reminded me
[02:13:32.560] of us. everything started like being
[02:13:34.560] pulled up or like there was no gravity
[02:13:37.199] in there or something and then
[02:13:40.880] the uh he seems to be uh
[02:13:46.800] you hear these low pitch hums in the
[02:13:49.679] movie. You can see it today. And then
[02:13:51.040] you see him. He's kind of he's kind of
[02:13:53.520] it's as if somebody's programming him or
[02:13:56.000] sending him something that he is either
[02:13:58.159] downloading or un well it is a download
[02:14:01.440] understanding of something different.
[02:14:03.440] Doesn't know what it is.
[02:14:05.840] And then all of a sudden it just goes
[02:14:07.360] out that blackness and then it
[02:14:09.760] reappeared at the intersection. Am I
[02:14:11.360] correct? Okay. That part right there I
[02:14:14.480] didn't watch to the intersection then at
[02:14:16.560] all. I got up and took off. I took out
[02:14:19.199] of the theater. I had to I just ran out
[02:14:20.719] and sat on the curb on on Main Street
[02:14:22.960] right there. Right there in front of the
[02:14:24.480] theater. My wife came out a few minutes
[02:14:26.000] later. She said, "What is wrong?" I
[02:14:28.400] said, "I can't watch that part. I feel
[02:14:29.760] like they're I'm feel like they're
[02:14:31.920] portraying my life in there on that
[02:14:34.079] screen is what I said."
[02:14:36.400] >> Richard Drifus also receives a sunburn
[02:14:39.360] in the movie. Yeah.
[02:14:40.880] >> And you guys both received burns and
[02:14:43.679] samples were taken of your burns.
[02:14:45.360] >> Correct. Correct. I didn't know if they
[02:14:47.119] had on Michael or not. I didn't I didn't
[02:14:49.280] know.
[02:14:49.679] >> And a sunburn is basically just UV
[02:14:51.440] damage. And so yeah,
[02:14:52.880] >> if you think about, you know, red shifts
[02:14:55.920] and blue shifts, you know, kind of
[02:14:57.599] stretching and crunching light, which is
[02:14:59.760] what these crafts would do if they're
[02:15:01.280] flying in the ways we think they fly.
[02:15:03.280] And that's what they would cause. They
[02:15:04.639] would cause, you know, irradiation.
[02:15:10.560] >> He said because he's here. And they
[02:15:13.360] didn't say didn't say my name, didn't
[02:15:15.280] say his name, just said because he's
[02:15:17.199] here. That was exactly what was said.
[02:15:21.920] >> If anything, this Spielberg coincidence
[02:15:24.000] makes me think we're living in some
[02:15:25.599] bizarre simulation. Close Encounters
[02:15:28.079] comes out the same week Mario has his
[02:15:30.719] experience. And now in the midst of
[02:15:33.199] reconnecting with his longlost partner,
[02:15:36.239] Spielberg decides to release Disclosure
[02:15:38.560] Day about two experiencers abducted
[02:15:41.760] together in childhood but separated for
[02:15:44.719] decades. They reconnect through
[02:15:46.560] synchronicities and experience a
[02:15:48.560] hypnotic regression together, unlocking
[02:15:51.040] the truth about their past. Sometimes
[02:15:53.840] the truth is truly stranger than
[02:15:56.000] fiction.
[02:15:59.440] The bizarre synchronicities don't stop
[02:16:02.000] there.
[02:16:03.920] 1977 generally was also just an
[02:16:07.119] explosive year for alien contact. Just
[02:16:10.480] listen to all these firsts. In August, a
[02:16:14.320] radio telescope in Ohio caught the WOW
[02:16:17.119] signal, a strong narrowband 72 second
[02:16:20.800] signal out of the Sagittarius
[02:16:22.719] constellation.
[02:16:25.679] nothing like it before or since.
[02:16:28.000] Possibly an extraterrestrial broadcast
[02:16:30.719] and one that's sitting unexplained to
[02:16:33.040] this day.
[02:16:35.519] And that same month, almost as if
[02:16:37.760] whoever sent the WOW signal knew this
[02:16:39.679] was about to happen,
[02:16:41.840] Voyager 2 left Earth, followed 16 days
[02:16:45.280] later by Voyager 1. Two robotic
[02:16:48.559] explorers sent towards the outer planets
[02:16:51.040] and eventually interstellar space to act
[02:16:54.319] as humanity's message in a bottle. As
[02:16:57.200] the Secretary General of the United
[02:16:59.040] Nations, I sent greetings on behalf of
[02:17:02.000] the people of our planet.
[02:17:05.679] >> Each spacecraft carried what was known
[02:17:08.080] as a golden record containing the sights
[02:17:11.040] and sounds of planet Earth. A mother's
[02:17:13.760] soothing voice.
[02:17:16.960] A whale song.
[02:17:20.000] The composer Bach
[02:17:24.160] greetings in 55 different languages.
[02:17:26.880] >> Adanish,
[02:17:30.559] >> a family portrait, Monument Valley, and
[02:17:34.559] you guessed it, the Navajo night chant.
[02:17:41.679] Humanity's own attempt at first contact.
[02:17:44.880] a record pressed with a prayer for
[02:17:46.960] harmony.
[02:17:52.880] In fact, this year, 2026, on November
[02:17:56.559] 18th, at 3:16 a.m. Mountain time,
[02:18:00.639] exactly 49 years from the time Mario and
[02:18:03.679] Michael were blacked out aboard a
[02:18:05.439] spacecraft, Voyager 1 will be exactly
[02:18:08.639] one full light day away from Earth. You
[02:18:11.920] couldn't write that up. The first
[02:18:14.160] interstellar probe ever sent out by
[02:18:16.399] humanity to make contact with an ET
[02:18:18.800] civilization
[02:18:20.319] breaks this huge milestone 49 years to
[02:18:23.760] the hour of Mario and Michael's
[02:18:26.160] experience. And just months after their
[02:18:29.200] reconnection, humanity has spent those
[02:18:32.160] 49 years waiting patiently for a reply,
[02:18:35.679] listening for another narrow band hit,
[02:18:37.840] maybe from Sagittarius.
[02:18:40.399] Mario spent those 49 years waiting on a
[02:18:43.280] reply from a partner that had vanished.
[02:18:45.679] But maybe the lesson here is that
[02:18:47.519] contact isn't still crossing the
[02:18:49.519] darkness toward us through space. It's
[02:18:52.080] already here. And in 1977, it was
[02:18:55.519] looking down into our missile silos,
[02:18:58.000] transfixed by our dual nature of good
[02:19:00.399] and evil, of love and fear.
[02:19:04.000] Michael, if you had a best guess, what
[02:19:06.080] do you think the beings that you and
[02:19:07.599] Mario encountered in 1977 were?
[02:19:11.840] >> Well, I think it was Do I think they
[02:19:13.200] were?
[02:19:13.760] >> Yeah. Where they Where are they from?
[02:19:15.280] Who are they? If you had to guess,
[02:19:18.719] >> I just guess they've been here before on
[02:19:20.240] this earth.
[02:19:21.040] >> They back for a visit.
[02:19:23.439] >> I I I I really feel that. I feel that
[02:19:25.840] there have been people here before us,
[02:19:28.800] >> strange beings and stuff. They don't
[02:19:30.240] have to be in the same form we are in.
[02:19:32.160] You know what I'm saying? That had been
[02:19:33.679] the same form, but I do believe that
[02:19:35.760] there had been life here before us and
[02:19:38.080] everything and he's still here right now
[02:19:41.120] among us.
[02:19:42.240] >> What about family history or when you
[02:19:44.080] were a kid? Because we know with with
[02:19:45.359] Mario, he he actually saw something with
[02:19:47.120] his mom and it's usually a common thing
[02:19:49.359] with experiencers that you you check
[02:19:51.520] their childhood enough. You check their
[02:19:53.520] family history and you'll and and you'll
[02:19:55.280] see something come up.
[02:19:56.319] >> Yeah.
[02:19:56.640] >> Do you have anything like that? Uh I I
[02:19:59.359] had strange thoughts, strange sightings,
[02:20:01.600] but uh my father fathers I know my
[02:20:03.920] father, my mother, my sister, my brother
[02:20:06.640] wasn't interested. You know what I'm
[02:20:08.000] saying? Was not interested in
[02:20:09.600] everything. I would sit out there in St.
[02:20:11.040] Louis. I'm from St. Louis. Okay, if you
[02:20:13.359] know St. Louis, Missouri and all that. I
[02:20:15.680] would be out there at night
[02:20:18.000] at the park, Ollon Park, sitting on the
[02:20:20.800] bench. Young young guy. And if I know if
[02:20:24.080] I knew what would happen to the young
[02:20:26.080] boys then I would never got out there.
[02:20:27.600] >> Yeah.
[02:20:28.160] >> You know, but I was out there because
[02:20:29.920] everybody used to pick on me, you know,
[02:20:32.000] everything. I didn't have nobody. So I
[02:20:33.920] would go out there and relax and look at
[02:20:35.280] the interstate. I always love travel. I
[02:20:37.120] see Interstate 70 going this way, going
[02:20:39.280] that way.
[02:20:39.840] >> Why would they pick on you?
[02:20:41.040] >> Uh because I was different. Because I
[02:20:42.560] was smart and because I, you know, I had
[02:20:44.240] no big brother like they had big
[02:20:45.840] brothers and stuff like that. You know,
[02:20:47.439] I talk funny and everything and all that
[02:20:50.560] kind of thing. It's it changed though. I
[02:20:52.880] guarantee you it changed. But in the
[02:20:54.479] meantime, that was my mama, my my mother
[02:20:56.319] responsible for that. But anyway, I was
[02:20:58.800] uh sitting there and I was look up at
[02:21:01.600] the Gateway Arch,
[02:21:03.840] >> the Gateway Arch and everything. And I
[02:21:05.840] would see lights going by and
[02:21:07.439] everything. I would see lights going by.
[02:21:08.720] I said, "Now, if I see that, somebody
[02:21:10.080] got to see that on the interstate, too."
[02:21:11.680] You know what I'm saying? And
[02:21:12.720] everything, you know, it go by and come
[02:21:15.520] back this way. You know, this ain't no
[02:21:17.359] air show. This ain't the air show they
[02:21:18.800] had recently. This is something else.
[02:21:20.399] But I didn't pay attention to I just
[02:21:21.760] always at the time was just something to
[02:21:23.520] just look at. You know what I'm saying?
[02:21:25.040] And this was about 9:00 at night.
[02:21:27.840] >> I shouldn't be out there. I shouldn't be
[02:21:29.840] out there at that time of night. I
[02:21:31.439] shouldn't be out there, but I was
[02:21:33.200] because I got tired of being picked on,
[02:21:35.840] you know, and everything. And I wanted
[02:21:38.080] to just get away for a while and be
[02:21:39.439] myself. Mario uh is part Native American
[02:21:43.840] and he thinks that maybe part of some of
[02:21:46.560] his kind of extra sensitivity to this
[02:21:48.720] sort of stuff comes from his Cherokee
[02:21:50.720] heritage.
[02:21:52.080] >> Mayan
[02:21:52.880] >> Mayan, sorry. His Mayan heritage.
[02:21:55.680] >> It's okay.
[02:21:56.399] >> Do Do you have anything like that in
[02:21:58.319] your background?
[02:21:59.359] >> Well, my mama's Cherokee.
[02:22:01.200] >> Really?
[02:22:01.680] >> Mhm.
[02:22:02.080] >> That's where you got it.
[02:22:03.359] >> Whoa.
[02:22:04.240] >> Cherokee.
[02:22:04.880] >> I must
[02:22:06.640] background is Cherokee. Your mama is
[02:22:08.640] Cherokee.
[02:22:09.520] >> Her mother's Cherokee. My mom was
[02:22:11.040] Cherokee and everything.
[02:22:12.800] >> And Mario's that is Honduras and that's
[02:22:14.720] the Mayan roots. Yeah.
[02:22:16.319] >> Mayan roots. Okay. And you
[02:22:18.319] >> But so there's actually all sorts of
[02:22:21.439] like, you know, intelligence people are
[02:22:23.520] now coming out saying that Native
[02:22:25.359] American traditions are a big part of,
[02:22:28.000] you know, like like having even that
[02:22:29.680] sort of, you know, lineage, ancestral
[02:22:31.680] lineage are part of is part of a
[02:22:34.240] propensity or predisposition to like
[02:22:36.080] experiencing things. But that's that's
[02:22:37.680] that's what gets me though because I
[02:22:39.760] always been fascinated with the Native
[02:22:41.439] Americans anyway and I like going to
[02:22:43.680] Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota.
[02:22:46.240] I would go out there.
[02:22:47.600] >> Yeah.
[02:22:47.920] >> And that's where I would see lights all
[02:22:49.359] the time. But I just say because it's
[02:22:50.800] just so dark out there. Pine Ridge. You
[02:22:52.800] ever been to Pine Ridge? Just it's just
[02:22:54.399] just awful. It's just nothing out there.
[02:22:56.160] >> All the bad lands.
[02:22:57.200] >> All the bad lands.
[02:22:58.560] >> All the bad lands.
[02:22:59.439] >> But you felt at home there and you would
[02:23:01.680] see lights.
[02:23:02.560] >> Me too.
[02:23:03.520] >> Me, too. I wasn't scared. I wasn't
[02:23:05.359] scared. What about
[02:23:06.880] >> I could go there today, leave here and
[02:23:08.720] go there today and go I go there and
[02:23:10.640] live.
[02:23:11.200] >> Do you ever see UFOs there or do you
[02:23:13.200] just felt kind of at home energetically
[02:23:14.960] there?
[02:23:16.560] >> Other than 77,
[02:23:20.080] I only saw one other thing in the kilo
[02:23:22.080] area and it was an object that looked
[02:23:24.479] like an egg that went straight to the
[02:23:26.000] ground and Mark Wade was my team leader.
[02:23:28.399] We were going to kilo 10 and the reason
[02:23:30.880] we were going to kilo 10 is because it
[02:23:32.640] had been snowed in and we were have we
[02:23:35.040] would have to dig out the antenna so
[02:23:36.560] they could reset.
[02:23:38.160] >> But we didn't do it. We just you just
[02:23:39.680] ran out of gas trying to trying to
[02:23:41.760] >> But you saw an object like an egg. Did
[02:23:44.080] it crash into the ground?
[02:23:45.280] >> And I just No, I was I saw it in the
[02:23:47.359] rearview mirror on the side western
[02:23:49.200] mirror as we were going away from as we
[02:23:52.240] going toward Kilo 10.
[02:23:54.800] I saw this. I just was looking and I see
[02:23:57.280] this thing in the side in the big side
[02:23:59.120] mirror go come down like that and it was
[02:24:01.680] maybe I don't know 3 or 4 hund yards
[02:24:04.479] behind us and it was small and it came
[02:24:06.479] down and it zigzagged and it just went
[02:24:08.160] down and went off.
[02:24:09.359] >> Whoa. What year was that?
[02:24:11.680] >> 78.
[02:24:13.520] >> Michael, did your mother who was
[02:24:15.840] Cherokee ever experience anything sort
[02:24:18.160] of paranormal? Any see any UFOs? Well, I
[02:24:21.200] don't know if she if she ever saw
[02:24:23.120] anything per se, but she was deeply
[02:24:26.000] religious, you know. She was she was
[02:24:27.760] religious and everything. And uh that's
[02:24:30.399] why that's why I was getting back with
[02:24:32.399] you with the little boys out there on
[02:24:34.240] interstate. You know, she didn't like
[02:24:35.920] that, you know. She didn't like that. In
[02:24:37.920] fact, she joked with me said, "Somebody
[02:24:39.200] going to come down and snatch you like
[02:24:41.120] that.
[02:24:41.600] >> Come down and snatch you.
[02:24:42.880] >> Come down and snatch you." You know,
[02:24:45.200] >> that's wild. It's like she knew that you
[02:24:47.920] were going to get taken or something.
[02:24:49.920] Mhm.
[02:24:50.240] >> You know, cuz she was very protective of
[02:24:51.920] me and everything. So I, you know,
[02:24:54.560] >> I know how that is.
[02:24:55.840] >> Yeah. But
[02:24:56.640] >> but the fact that she said come down and
[02:24:58.399] snatch you shows that she has like
[02:25:00.880] >> a mental concept of the fact that that
[02:25:03.439] could even happen, which if you, you
[02:25:05.120] know, aren't familiar with any of these
[02:25:06.800] things, alien abductions or some of
[02:25:08.800] these
[02:25:08.960] >> tradition that you talk about. I never
[02:25:10.479] seen like that. So you said you come
[02:25:12.160] down. I just looked at, you know,
[02:25:14.000] everything like that.
[02:25:14.960] >> Did you ever ask her did, hey, mom, did
[02:25:17.359] anything ever happen to you? No, but she
[02:25:18.960] she said there was living out there.
[02:25:20.720] There we not alone. She did say that we
[02:25:22.800] are not alone out here,
[02:25:24.800] >> you know. And and she she's from Texas,
[02:25:27.760] uh, East Texas and raised raised there
[02:25:30.240] and everything. And she she she told me
[02:25:32.080] she seen things that, you know, you
[02:25:33.600] wouldn't think exist when they exist. My
[02:25:37.840] mother uh was taking me to my first
[02:25:41.359] grade uh school which was DQ Queen
[02:25:44.640] Elementary and uh we were about the
[02:25:47.840] fifth or the seventh car back in line
[02:25:49.840] and I'm on the passenger side in the in
[02:25:51.920] the front seat, no seat belt. We didn't
[02:25:53.600] do that back then. My sister was in the
[02:25:55.920] back seat. Of course, my mother's
[02:25:57.120] driving and she stopped short of the car
[02:25:59.040] in front of her and she says, "Look,
[02:26:01.439] Anthony, look at those flying saucers."
[02:26:04.560] When's the last time your mother ever
[02:26:05.920] said something like that to you? I mean,
[02:26:08.000] I'm just 6 years old, five and a half,
[02:26:10.399] six years old. And I I just couldn't
[02:26:13.520] even fathom what she said. And they were
[02:26:15.280] right over a church, just maybe 25 to 50
[02:26:19.280] ft in the air. And there were three of
[02:26:20.479] them. They were beautiful. When I saw
[02:26:23.040] those three saucers
[02:26:25.120] in Port Rother, Texas that morning, my
[02:26:27.040] mother was taking my me to school and my
[02:26:29.280] sister was sitting behind her in the
[02:26:30.640] car.
[02:26:32.880] You know, my my first thoughts when I
[02:26:35.200] when I said, "Where are they, Mom?" She
[02:26:36.880] said, "Right here." And she pointed up
[02:26:38.240] at him. And I go, "Oh my." I said, "Oh
[02:26:41.120] my." Like that. I said, "Look at that."
[02:26:42.800] And then my sister, she said, "I'm
[02:26:44.319] scared, mama." And she said, "There's
[02:26:47.760] they're not here to hurt you. There's no
[02:26:50.000] reason to be afraid." And she said,
[02:26:51.040] "They're not here to harm you."
[02:26:53.920] And my sister didn't say anything back
[02:26:55.840] then as as the door was opening. But
[02:26:58.720] when I stood out and got the full
[02:27:00.240] gravity of what I was looking at, there
[02:27:02.560] was never a more right moment. They were
[02:27:06.960] supposed to be there.
[02:27:08.800] >> It was like it was like um
[02:27:13.280] it was almost as it was almost as if
[02:27:17.600] more than
[02:27:19.520] I could describe
[02:27:21.439] a greater power. Be it God, be it
[02:27:24.560] angels, be be it a civilization,
[02:27:29.920] they were like checking on us. That's
[02:27:32.319] the way I felt like it was right as
[02:27:34.080] rain. I felt no fear whatsoever
[02:27:37.600] at all. And they were the most beautiful
[02:27:39.200] craft I've ever seen in my life. They
[02:27:41.520] are absolutely gorgeous and exactly
[02:27:43.680] alike, all three of them. And they just
[02:27:46.640] sat there hovering. And when I felt how
[02:27:51.040] comfortable I was with them, that's when
[02:27:52.720] I turned and looked and saw everything
[02:27:54.640] out there in the the playground to the
[02:27:57.760] people hanging out of the windows, the
[02:27:59.439] one building school from first grade to
[02:28:01.439] 12th grade would, you know, everybody's
[02:28:03.920] pointing their fingers in the air like
[02:28:05.200] that looking at them, everybody. And it
[02:28:07.840] was as quiet as it could be. And when
[02:28:10.240] those things went, they just went and
[02:28:12.720] they were, I mean, I watched them go all
[02:28:14.640] the way up just like that vent right
[02:28:16.240] there until they were just like that and
[02:28:17.680] they were gone. and they were in space
[02:28:19.040] in seconds.
[02:28:20.080] >> Do you think the UFO you saw in ' 61 and
[02:28:23.120] the beings that both of you encountered
[02:28:25.200] in 77
[02:28:26.720] >> were aware that you would reunite 50
[02:28:29.680] years later?
[02:28:31.600] >> Oh, that's a great question.
[02:28:33.439] >> Wow, that's a blow my mind. I never
[02:28:35.120] thought about that. That's a blow my
[02:28:36.319] mind question right there. That's a blow
[02:28:38.080] my mind question right there. Are we kin
[02:28:40.720] to them? Are we are we related to them
[02:28:43.439] or something? some some form, you know,
[02:28:45.840] because I believe back in I I believe
[02:28:47.760] back in in the days of the Egyptians had
[02:28:50.720] had some kind of secret codes and
[02:28:52.800] everything with the pyramids and
[02:28:54.399] everything that always fascinate me. How
[02:28:56.399] how who who made that? How it was
[02:28:57.920] formed? What what what aliens been here
[02:29:00.640] before this? I've seen monuments. I seen
[02:29:03.520] questions. How this stone got here in
[02:29:05.520] England? Them them them stones. Who who
[02:29:08.000] did this? You know what I'm saying?
[02:29:09.760] Intelligence form. I'm not sure. But I
[02:29:12.319] already did read about things like that.
[02:29:13.920] I read subjects like that though because
[02:29:15.920] it fascinated me. You see certain things
[02:29:17.840] that been here for centuries, century
[02:29:19.359] before man, before Jesus they say was
[02:29:21.760] here, you know, somebody was here before
[02:29:24.720] Jesus.
[02:29:25.680] >> It's all throughout the Bible.
[02:29:27.439] >> Yeah. You texted
[02:29:29.359] >> all of them. Quran, all of them. It's in
[02:29:31.200] there. You know that Mario was kind of
[02:29:33.280] imbued with a newfound interest in
[02:29:36.640] wonders of the world but specifically
[02:29:38.240] the Egyptian pyramids which he bonded
[02:29:40.720] with Amar about after that experience.
[02:29:43.280] So he was changed in a way that gave him
[02:29:45.840] more interest in those sorts of things.
[02:29:48.240] >> I had to find out everything about
[02:29:49.680] archaeology and pyramids.
[02:29:52.399] >> And so that was just something that it
[02:29:54.960] almost felt like it was installed inside
[02:29:56.560] of you or downloaded.
[02:29:58.479] >> Yes. You know, guys made fun of me in
[02:30:00.399] the missile field cuz I'd sit at the
[02:30:01.920] dining room tables in the day room and
[02:30:03.680] I'd draw a pyramid. I'd put a weird top
[02:30:06.240] on it and little sparks coming out of
[02:30:07.840] it. Now, I call that an Atlantean
[02:30:10.319] pyramid.
[02:30:11.760] >> Michael, you've had other strange
[02:30:13.680] experiences happen to you since that
[02:30:16.640] 1977 experience, right?
[02:30:18.720] >> Yeah. Yep.
[02:30:19.680] >> What else has happened? Well, you know,
[02:30:21.600] like I say, I finally got a job driving
[02:30:23.359] trucks and stuff, you know, and
[02:30:24.880] everything. And u and I like the
[02:30:28.720] Southwest anyway. I like the Southwest.
[02:30:31.439] And I was had a load.
[02:30:33.359] >> Me, too.
[02:30:34.399] >> Have have a load going to uh El Paso to
[02:30:38.640] El Paso and everything. And I picked up
[02:30:41.680] a load from El Paso going back on 20
[02:30:44.560] going back to Dallas for the word
[02:30:46.800] everything like that.
[02:30:48.960] And I don't know how I got sideouted. I
[02:30:51.439] don't know how I got sideouted and
[02:30:53.040] everything to where I was driving. This
[02:30:56.160] ain't the interstate. You know what I'm
[02:30:57.520] saying? Not the interstate. I got off, I
[02:31:00.319] guess, to a truck stop. I guess I took a
[02:31:02.399] wrong turn. I did get off at a truck
[02:31:03.920] stop. I must have took the wrong turn. I
[02:31:06.000] thought I was going to take back to the
[02:31:06.960] interstate, but it kept taking me deeper
[02:31:08.560] and deeper, further further into where
[02:31:10.560] nowhere I knew where I was going. And I
[02:31:13.280] was driving driving driving trying to
[02:31:15.040] hurry up and get out of there because it
[02:31:16.960] was dark, deserted, dirt. So I was just
[02:31:20.319] driving and then I then I saw something
[02:31:22.720] come across me in front of me come
[02:31:25.600] across me and I'm driving and looking
[02:31:28.319] around. I saw him come across me. I
[02:31:30.080] said, "Damn, what was that?"
[02:31:31.840] >> Like like a UFO.
[02:31:33.200] >> Yeah.
[02:31:34.160] >> Just came across me and I'm just like,
[02:31:36.560] "Okay." You know, cuz at that time I was
[02:31:38.720] oh hell, I'm going to lose my job. I was
[02:31:40.399] really more worried about my job and cuz
[02:31:41.920] the little going to be late going back
[02:31:43.439] to uh New York somewhere. We go back to
[02:31:46.720] New York. Then next thing I saw like a
[02:31:49.760] police car, squad car coming up behind
[02:31:52.399] me, okay, with the lights on. So I
[02:31:55.359] pulled over
[02:31:57.439] everything. He asked me where I was
[02:31:58.800] going. I told him I was going back to my
[02:32:00.800] destination with the truck. He looked at
[02:32:02.160] the truck and look at me and said, "You
[02:32:03.760] know, you know where you are like that."
[02:32:06.560] I said in
[02:32:08.560] I thought I was in Texas, you know.
[02:32:11.760] No, you're in Nevada.
[02:32:15.040] >> What the hell?
[02:32:16.160] >> What?
[02:32:17.600] >> And he was strange, too. He was strange.
[02:32:20.720] He was strange looking, too. He said,
[02:32:22.240] "What you doing out here?" Uh, where you
[02:32:24.560] going? Like that to me. I said
[02:32:26.720] something. I said, "I did say something
[02:32:28.319] wrong." Yeah, you're on government
[02:32:31.760] property.
[02:32:33.439] this this area is this area is off limit
[02:32:35.359] to everybody, civilians, everybody. And
[02:32:38.560] that's and then I remember saying that's
[02:32:40.479] why I saw the signs out there. No
[02:32:42.080] trespassing, no trespassing, you know,
[02:32:44.319] and everything.
[02:32:45.280] >> How many hours had passed since he made
[02:32:47.200] a wrong turn in Texas.
[02:32:49.600] >> Jesus.
[02:32:50.479] >> Two.
[02:32:51.680] >> And you and that coincided with a UFO
[02:32:54.640] flying above your dashboard in the car.
[02:32:57.840] >> Yes. So it's almost like maybe a similar
[02:33:00.880] kind of missing time event as what
[02:33:02.880] happened to you in 1977 at Ellsworth.
[02:33:05.359] >> But I that's a lot of missing that's not
[02:33:08.560] missing time there was like they wake up
[02:33:10.720] 9 and a half miles away. This is they
[02:33:12.399] wake up 4hour flight away
[02:33:14.240] >> and his son his son thinks that maybe it
[02:33:16.399] was Area 51 where he was dropped off.
[02:33:18.880] >> Wow.
[02:33:19.359] >> Mhm. Yeah. And that's
[02:33:22.880] >> and then and then and then the cop the
[02:33:25.680] police he escorted me to get back to the
[02:33:28.720] main road and everything.
[02:33:30.640] >> And so I did I got back on the main road
[02:33:32.560] and stuff like that. He told me like
[02:33:34.160] keep straight just just go on. You ain't
[02:33:36.000] supposed to be here.
[02:33:36.720] >> You sound like a contractor.
[02:33:38.160] >> You know you stop. You stop again. You
[02:33:40.000] know they might they might they might
[02:33:41.359] take you they might take you away or
[02:33:43.200] whatever. You know they might take me
[02:33:45.120] away
[02:33:46.160] >> like that. You know and that was it. I
[02:33:48.319] got back on the main road
[02:33:49.600] >> and you said he looked funny. What did
[02:33:50.960] he look?
[02:33:51.200] >> Yes, he did look funny.
[02:33:52.080] >> What did he look like?
[02:33:52.800] >> He was short. He was short.
[02:33:56.319] Face was puffy. He had a hat on. Deputy
[02:33:59.600] dog kind of hat like a deputy dog kind
[02:34:01.680] of hat from cartoons and stuff.
[02:34:03.600] >> Did you feel like maybe he was not fully
[02:34:07.680] human or
[02:34:08.479] >> Yes, cuz he thought the way he talked to
[02:34:10.880] me. I asked him questions. Do he talk to
[02:34:12.399] me like slow, you know what I'm saying?
[02:34:14.720] Slow talking back to me. know you need
[02:34:17.040] to go back this way
[02:34:19.280] >> like that.
[02:34:20.399] >> Okay. And I said, "Well, I need some
[02:34:23.120] some direction and everything. I will
[02:34:25.200] help you. I was escort you back. Don't
[02:34:27.680] come back here no more." That's what he
[02:34:29.120] said. Just like that. Don't come back
[02:34:30.720] here no more. Oh,
[02:34:36.160] >> on the last day of our trip, we decided
[02:34:38.479] to rent a beautiful house for Michael
[02:34:40.560] and Mario by Lake Austin and just let
[02:34:43.680] them reminisce and chop it up and spend
[02:34:45.920] some quality time with each other.
[02:34:47.600] >> So now we get each other, we find each
[02:34:49.120] other now. It's it's over with now. How
[02:34:51.600] do they say to death through your part?
[02:34:53.280] You know,
[02:34:53.840] >> that's right. We know now. Mhm.
[02:34:56.160] >> I'm just glad that we're only 230 mi
[02:34:58.240] apart, man. That's a trip.
[02:35:01.600] As the night got dark, we packed it up
[02:35:03.840] and went inside and decided to surprise
[02:35:06.479] Michael and Mario with all of the AI
[02:35:09.120] recreations we made of their experience
[02:35:12.080] from this episode.
[02:35:14.880] >> Michael, you see that glow? Can you see
[02:35:17.359] that?
[02:35:25.520] >> The worst thing that happened to these
[02:35:27.280] two men wasn't their abduction. It was
[02:35:29.920] the human factors around it.
[02:35:31.840] >> Nothing else happened. No one else was
[02:35:33.680] there.
[02:35:34.479] >> No, sir. Just me and Johnson.
[02:35:36.479] >> It was what happened afterwards. Their
[02:35:38.720] interrogators spent most of their time
[02:35:40.640] trying to explain away the experience.
[02:35:42.960] To make Mario and Michael the problem
[02:35:45.359] rather than deal with the incident
[02:35:47.120] head-on, the demotions, the overseas
[02:35:49.760] deployment, the decades of downplaying
[02:35:52.080] and denial. Two vetted, screened, armed
[02:35:55.040] young men did exactly what the Air Force
[02:35:57.359] trained them to do. They responded. They
[02:35:59.680] observed. They reported. And the
[02:36:02.000] system's answer was to gaslight them,
[02:36:04.560] split them, spit one of them out, and to
[02:36:07.280] file them away to manufacture a stigma.
[02:36:10.319] And every veteran watching who ever
[02:36:12.479] swallowed a report because the truth
[02:36:14.560] would cost their career. This episode is
[02:36:17.280] yours, too. Mario never got disclosure.
[02:36:20.399] The government never confirmed and maybe
[02:36:22.560] never will the essence of his story. But
[02:36:25.439] that's fine because one recruiter with a
[02:36:27.920] laptop did what multiple government
[02:36:30.080] agencies failed to. Found his partner,
[02:36:33.520] the person he'd been asking for for the
[02:36:35.600] last 50 years ever since being pulled
[02:36:38.479] out of that Ford pickup. And with that,
[02:36:41.040] he and Michael have something way better
[02:36:43.359] than disclosure. They have closure.
[02:36:46.399] Ordinary people crowdsourcing their own
[02:36:49.359] truth because the sanctioned version
[02:36:52.160] never came.
[02:36:55.280] I can't believe it.
[02:36:57.760] >> Now they're reconnected. They're
[02:36:59.600] brothers for life, but like so many
[02:37:01.840] people who served. They're living
[02:37:03.600] paycheck to paycheck. And since they
[02:37:05.840] don't get paid to share their story, and
[02:37:08.080] they're both over 70 and still working
[02:37:10.640] blue jobs, Amomar and I decided the best
[02:37:13.600] thing to do was to launch a GoFundMe
[02:37:16.080] page on their behalf. Link below.
[02:37:18.800] Whatever you give goes directly to
[02:37:20.800] Michael and Mario. This will serve as
[02:37:22.960] much needed money for their retirement.
[02:37:25.920] And if you wore the uniform at that base
[02:37:28.640] or any base like it, and you've been
[02:37:30.479] carrying your own November night, an
[02:37:32.560] experience that indicates we're not
[02:37:34.399] alone. You just watched what 50 years of
[02:37:37.680] silence costs and what breaking it gives
[02:37:40.399] you back.
[02:37:41.120] >> You may look.
[02:37:42.479] >> The comments are open. Our emails in the
[02:37:45.040] description.
[02:37:47.920] those hallways.
[02:37:59.520] But one question still lingers.
[02:38:03.359] What actually happened to Michael and
[02:38:05.680] Mario? Who were these beings? And what
[02:38:08.720] did they want with them? When you strip
[02:38:10.960] everything away, a signal exchange, at
[02:38:13.439] least five missing hours, a truck at a
[02:38:16.560] dam, mud in a frozen field, burns a
[02:38:20.080] doctor found first, one glove with the
[02:38:22.880] memory of another on a shiny floor,
[02:38:25.359] drawings and recollections of a shape,
[02:38:27.520] size, and color of the craft. And three
[02:38:30.640] words,
[02:38:31.439] >> do not fear.
[02:38:33.040] >> Surfacing in 1961 on a Texas schoolyard,
[02:38:36.319] in 1977 in a dead truck. in two separate
[02:38:40.160] hypnosis sessions and finally in a push
[02:38:42.800] notification. We also just have two
[02:38:45.359] incredible heart-c centered veterans who
[02:38:47.760] wouldn't give up on each other and
[02:38:49.600] they're now reunited because of it.
[02:38:53.200] Something clearly happened at Ellsworth.
[02:38:55.520] But what exactly was it? Perhaps the
[02:38:57.920] only recurring words transmitted by the
[02:39:00.160] beings are a clue. Do not fear.
[02:39:02.319] >> Do not fear. Do not fear.
[02:39:04.319] >> Do not fear. Don't fear. No fear.
[02:39:09.120] Let's rewind. Say about 2600 years.
[02:39:16.000] A man named Daniel is standing on the
[02:39:18.399] bank of the Tigris when he sees a being
[02:39:21.040] with a face like lightning and eyes like
[02:39:23.680] torches. His companions flee. Daniel's
[02:39:27.200] strength drains out of him. He collapses
[02:39:29.520] face first into the dirt. And the
[02:39:31.840] being's first words to him are, "Do not
[02:39:34.399] be afraid, Daniel." Fear not is the
[02:39:37.040] closest thing the biblical angels have
[02:39:39.120] to a recurring catchphrase. It's said to
[02:39:42.000] Zechariah in the temple, to Mary at the
[02:39:44.720] enunciation, to the shepherds outside
[02:39:47.280] Bethlehem, to the women at the empty
[02:39:49.600] tomb. It is functionally the angelic
[02:39:52.240] protocol, step one of every close
[02:39:54.720] encounter of the scriptural kind.
[02:40:02.479] Modern people conceive of angels as
[02:40:04.800] friendly cherubs that you see on
[02:40:06.720] hallmark cards, but biblical angels are
[02:40:09.439] actually not that at all. They're
[02:40:11.680] utterly terrifying. It's never a fun
[02:40:14.080] encounter. It's overwhelming, blinding,
[02:40:16.960] and ontologically shocking. The reason
[02:40:19.200] the angels say, "Do not fear," is
[02:40:21.280] because they have to. The experiencer is
[02:40:24.080] almost always drowning in fear.
[02:40:26.720] Ezekiel's visitors arrive as
[02:40:28.640] interlocking wheels covered in eyes,
[02:40:30.960] wrapped in fire and storm. Daniel is
[02:40:34.080] left trembling on his hands and knees.
[02:40:36.479] The witnesses don't feel warm and fuzzy.
[02:40:38.960] They feel annihilated. The pattern is
[02:40:41.359] always the same threebeat structure.
[02:40:43.920] Number one, overwhelming presence. The
[02:40:46.160] witness is paralyzed, terrified,
[02:40:48.479] physically undone. Number two,
[02:40:50.960] reassurance. Do not fear. Delivered
[02:40:53.520] before anything else can happen. Number
[02:40:56.160] three, the message. The witness's life
[02:40:58.800] is never the same afterwards. Now, read
[02:41:01.760] any serious collection of high stranges
[02:41:04.319] abduction reports, Michael and Mario at
[02:41:06.560] Ellsworth among them, and you find the
[02:41:08.880] identical grammar, paralysis, terror, a
[02:41:11.840] communication, often telepathic, that
[02:41:14.399] leads with calm. Witnesses who spend the
[02:41:16.880] rest of their lives haunted,
[02:41:18.640] transformed, unable to fully return to
[02:41:21.200] the person they were. I was terrified
[02:41:23.359] the whole time.
[02:41:25.120] >> Jacques Valet, the legendary French
[02:41:27.200] astrophysicist and UFO godfather that
[02:41:30.080] Spielberg depicted in Close Encounters,
[02:41:32.640] spent his career pointing at exactly
[02:41:34.880] this. His argument in his great book,
[02:41:37.200] Passport to Meonia was heretical to both
[02:41:40.000] believers and debunkers. The UFO
[02:41:42.479] phenomenon isn't new, and it isn't
[02:41:44.960] necessarily extraterrestrial. It's the
[02:41:47.520] same phenomenon humanity has always
[02:41:49.680] encountered. Wearing whatever mask the
[02:41:52.319] culture provides. To medieval Europe,
[02:41:54.880] angels and demons. To the Kelts, the
[02:41:57.359] good folk who also incidentally abducted
[02:42:00.399] people and distorted their sense of
[02:42:02.399] time. To 1977 America, a craft and
[02:42:06.240] beings at a missile base. The technology
[02:42:08.479] of the encounter updates. The facade
[02:42:11.280] changes, but the structure of the
[02:42:13.280] encounter. terror, reassurance, message,
[02:42:16.720] transformation is ancient and weirdly
[02:42:19.760] stable. Whatever this phenomenon is, it
[02:42:22.399] has a clear real estate and timing
[02:42:24.319] preference. These things show up at
[02:42:26.319] moments of peak instability, either to
[02:42:28.960] save things worth preserving or destroy
[02:42:31.439] things that have become unruly and are
[02:42:34.560] now worth discarding. The Bible's
[02:42:36.800] pattern of angelic deployment is exactly
[02:42:39.200] that. Angels in scripture are not evenly
[02:42:42.000] distributed. They cluster at hinge
[02:42:44.399] points, moments where timelines can
[02:42:46.640] shift drastically, where the destruction
[02:42:48.960] or survival of a people is on the table.
[02:42:51.840] Two angels walk into Sodom the night
[02:42:54.319] before the fire falls. An angel stands
[02:42:56.880] over Jerusalem with a drawn sword during
[02:42:59.200] the plague of David's census. The angel
[02:43:01.840] of the Lord moves through the Assyrian
[02:43:04.000] camp the night the siege breaks. Angels
[02:43:06.720] are, among other things, scriptures
[02:43:09.040] ordinance inspectors. They show up where
[02:43:11.840] annihilation is pending. Sometimes to
[02:43:14.640] deliver it, sometimes to call it off. So
[02:43:17.520] where would you expect such beings to
[02:43:19.680] appear in the 20th century? Humanity
[02:43:22.000] spent most of its history unable to
[02:43:24.160] destroy itself. Then on July 16th, 1945,
[02:43:28.160] in a stretch of New Mexico desert,
[02:43:30.160] Oenheimer named Trinity. And sit with
[02:43:32.399] that name for a second. The most secular
[02:43:34.640] project in human history christened
[02:43:36.800] after the triune god. its director
[02:43:39.359] reaching for the Bavad Gita's I am
[02:43:42.000] become death because no smaller language
[02:43:45.040] fit.
[02:43:46.160] >> Few people laughed,
[02:43:50.240] few people cried,
[02:43:52.399] most people were silent.
[02:43:57.120] I remembered the line from the Hindu
[02:44:00.479] scripture, the Bhagavad Gita. Now I am
[02:44:03.680] become death, the destroyer of worlds.
[02:44:09.439] I suppose we all thought that
[02:44:14.319] >> we acquired the one capability scripture
[02:44:16.880] had always reserved for heaven. Fire
[02:44:19.200] from the skies. Cities erased in an
[02:44:22.080] instant. This was a truly Prometheian
[02:44:24.640] act. If the biblical watchers were real
[02:44:27.520] and if their historical beat was stand
[02:44:30.160] at the hinge points where worlds can
[02:44:32.160] end, then missile fields in South Dakota
[02:44:34.800] in Montana are not a strange place to
[02:44:37.279] find them at all. They are the obvious
[02:44:39.439] place. The prophets stood at the gates
[02:44:41.600] of doomed cities. The phenomenon parks
[02:44:44.080] itself over the silos. The venue changed
[02:44:46.960] because the circumstances did, but
[02:44:49.600] underneath it, the same archetype.
[02:44:51.920] Ultimately, we don't know what Mario and
[02:44:54.080] Michael saw, and neither do they.
[02:44:56.000] Visitor, watcher, archetype, alien,
[02:44:58.560] angel, demon. Every descriptor falls
[02:45:00.960] short and contains a lot of baggage.
[02:45:03.359] Jacqu Valet might say this was a
[02:45:05.120] mythological encounter at the pressure
[02:45:07.439] points of human belief and power.
[02:45:13.760] Other great UFO researchers like the
[02:45:15.840] legendary Stanton Friedman would say
[02:45:17.680] that these beings are probably
[02:45:19.279] extraterrestrial. But Jacques's
[02:45:21.359] meta-occiological analysis, Stton
[02:45:23.840] Freriedman's extraterrestrial overlay,
[02:45:26.240] and any sort of biblical comparison is
[02:45:28.960] all just analysis. We are trapped by our
[02:45:32.399] complete inability to describe
[02:45:34.240] transcendent experiences. The point is,
[02:45:36.800] there is an underlying pattern, and it's
[02:45:39.279] been going on for thousands of years.
[02:45:41.920] Something ancient perked up and resumed
[02:45:44.640] its rounds the moment we built the nukes
[02:45:46.960] ourselves. and its first words to two
[02:45:49.760] trembling airmen in the South Dakota
[02:45:52.000] prairie were the same words spoken to a
[02:45:54.479] trembling prophet on the banks of the
[02:45:56.479] Tigris. Historically, these beings have
[02:45:58.960] spoken to man through complex
[02:46:00.720] numerology, signs, symbols, and
[02:46:03.279] synchronicities. A phenomenon we have
[02:46:05.520] experienced plenty of throughout this
[02:46:07.760] trip. They reconnected what on 62626.
[02:46:11.840] He landed at 111. And Omar, who's coming
[02:46:14.800] from Yes Theory, he is taking off at
[02:46:17.359] 111.
[02:46:18.080] >> 111 on that car.
[02:46:19.359] >> Whoa. Well, look at the 111. Look at the
[02:46:21.600] 111.
[02:46:23.520] That's wild. We're picking Michael up at
[02:46:26.240] 222.
[02:46:28.560] So, in that vein, perhaps do not fear
[02:46:31.680] indicated a fornowledge of Mario and
[02:46:34.240] Michael's glorious reunion. Perhaps this
[02:46:36.880] was always part of the being's plan.
[02:46:38.960] This should be an inspiration to us all
[02:46:41.120] so that we know all things are possible
[02:46:43.279] with the grace of God. We should maybe
[02:46:45.680] worry a bit less because perhaps we're
[02:46:48.640] being looked out for. May God bless
[02:46:51.120] Mario and Michael. I thank them so much
[02:46:53.840] for the courage and vulnerability it
[02:46:55.920] took them to share their story. I also
[02:46:58.160] want to thank Omar, Ivonne, and the
[02:47:00.160] entire crew that helped out. Keep your
[02:47:02.319] mind, eyes, and heart open. I'm Jesse
[02:47:05.120] Michaels and this is American Alchemy.