Michael Masters — "Aliens Are Humans From The Future" (Jesse Michels, ft. David Grusch)

Source: YouTube, Jesse Michels / American Alchemy — "Aliens Are Humans From The Future! (Ft. Mike Masters & David Grusch)." Published: 2023-11-11 (~51 min). URL: https://youtu.be/Y26iMB0r-f8 Guest: Dr. Michael P. Masters, biological anthropologist (Montana Technological University); author of Identified Flying Objects (2019), The Extratempestrial Model (2022), Revelation: The Future Human Past (2023). Interspersed with David Grusch material. Transcription: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps (machine ASR; minor errors, incl. "tempesto"=extratempestrial, "grush"=Grusch, "obber bir"=Hermann Oberth, "Von Bron"=von Braun, "heinik/hinck"=Hynek). Captured: 2026-06-07. Analysis: ../../sources/masters-future-human-hypothesis.

Lays out the future-human/extratempestrial hypothesis: directional human evolution toward the "grey" morphology (slit eyes, reduced nose/ears, neoteny), UFOs as time machines (missing time, strong EM), an "intertemporal breeding/gamete-sampling" reading of abduction, and an appeal to credentialed precedents (Cmdr George Hoover, Hermann Oberth, Tom DeLonge, Hynek). Masters also recounts his own claimed telepathic-contact experience.

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[00:00:00.080] why would the government even be allowed
[00:00:01.360] to have this stuff in their possession
[00:00:03.919] if a higher sentience you know either
[00:00:06.560] didn't want it or wanted it back and I'm
[00:00:09.440] just like I kind of want like oh but the
[00:00:11.599] fact is we do do you believe the US
[00:00:13.719] government is in possession of Time
[00:00:16.359] Machine
[00:00:18.520] craft I think if these things that
[00:00:21.080] crashed are time machines then
[00:00:23.000] absolutely and you think their time
[00:00:24.439] machine I
[00:00:25.720] do aliens could potentially be us in the
[00:00:29.199] future believe in aliens and we are
[00:00:31.279] [ __ ] aliens all the time they can
[00:00:33.640] breathe our air they can have sex with
[00:00:35.120] us they can speak our languages they're
[00:00:36.600] just the suite of characteristics that
[00:00:38.680] scream time traveling future humans Dr
[00:00:41.920] Michael P Masters is a biological
[00:00:44.200] Anthropologist and professor at Montana
[00:00:46.559] Tech University he's written three books
[00:00:49.000] identified flying objects the EXT
[00:00:51.280] tempesto model and recently Revelation
[00:00:54.320] the future human past in these Works he
[00:00:57.000] lays out a theoretical framework that
[00:00:59.079] he's been developing for his entire life
[00:01:01.600] in one that in my opinion best explains
[00:01:04.360] the UFO phenomena that aliens are humans
[00:01:07.240] from the future who figured out time
[00:01:09.400] travel and are coming back to visit us
[00:01:12.119] if you think about how we're actually
[00:01:13.520] evolving as a species their eyes are
[00:01:15.640] sort of slits you're going to you know
[00:01:17.280] have more screen time going forward
[00:01:19.439] senses essential for Hunter Gathering
[00:01:21.439] like smell and hearing matter less than
[00:01:23.479] ever and the gray aliens have very small
[00:01:26.079] noses and ears there's even an
[00:01:28.360] evolutionary concept called called
[00:01:30.119] neoton where a species distant
[00:01:32.360] descendants look like its current
[00:01:34.520] children and gray aliens are constantly
[00:01:36.840] described as child like they were about
[00:01:39.399] the size of the kids they were you know
[00:01:41.479] about 3 ft tall what's more the list of
[00:01:45.079] credential UFO researchers that believe
[00:01:47.280] the time travel hypothesis is endless
[00:01:49.840] Navy Commander George Hoover who held
[00:01:51.840] the top secret clearance for most of his
[00:01:54.000] life admitted that the beings in the
[00:01:55.880] Roswell crash were just time traveling
[00:01:58.159] humans and Herman obber bir the father
[00:02:00.719] of German rocketry and wner Von Bron's
[00:02:03.000] Mentor said that UFOs likely don't
[00:02:05.600] Traverse large distances in space they
[00:02:08.440] jump from one time space coordinate to
[00:02:10.800] another even Spielberg may have included
[00:02:13.400] a couple of time travel related hints
[00:02:15.640] and Close Encounters of the Third Kind
[00:02:17.560] cuz at the end you see the World War II
[00:02:19.400] Pilots come out they haven't aged at all
[00:02:21.480] that's true that's a subtle little hey
[00:02:23.599] these guys are Time Travelers Einstein
[00:02:25.800] was right according to Deadpool Creator
[00:02:28.200] Robert leafield Spielberg said to Robert
[00:02:30.400] in 1993 what's easier to believe that we
[00:02:33.440] are being monitored by aliens from
[00:02:35.160] another world or that we are monitoring
[00:02:37.200] ourselves and studying us from the
[00:02:39.400] future and in a recent Newsweek article
[00:02:41.720] Blink 182 frontman and to the Stars
[00:02:44.159] Academy founder Tom dong said these
[00:02:46.560] things aren't coming from other planets
[00:02:48.800] these things might be coming through
[00:02:50.800] time Paul heinik always said one of Jon
[00:02:53.640] hinck Sons how would they find us and
[00:02:56.040] why would they care they would find us
[00:02:58.080] cuz we're their ANS ancestors why would
[00:03:00.720] they care about this planet unless
[00:03:03.799] they're said to inherit it as for the
[00:03:06.000] craft UFOs themselves May Simply Be time
[00:03:09.040] machines experiencers almost always
[00:03:11.640] report missing time or time anomalies
[00:03:14.400] strong electromagnetism comes off the
[00:03:16.480] craft which as we'll get into makes
[00:03:18.480] sense if these crafts are time machines
[00:03:20.599] and finally many contactees report
[00:03:22.760] having to take chemical rinses in what's
[00:03:24.959] speculated to be antiseptic liquid
[00:03:27.480] perhaps so they don't contaminate the
[00:03:29.280] future with the pathogen that's already
[00:03:31.319] been wiped
[00:03:33.599] out I don't think they're necessarily
[00:03:35.439] doing anything to us I think it's for
[00:03:37.159] them I think it's self-preservation that
[00:03:39.439] something in the future requires them to
[00:03:41.760] sample gametes from the past in this
[00:03:43.720] interview we cover it all how we might
[00:03:45.799] be unwitting participants in an
[00:03:47.560] intertemporal breeding program how the
[00:03:49.840] phenomenon relates to biological
[00:03:51.720] evolution and how the crafts would work
[00:03:54.200] as time machines in a conventional
[00:03:56.120] physics framework we talk about the
[00:03:57.959] nature of time time Loop timeline wars
[00:04:01.480] psychic remote viewing and Mike even
[00:04:03.840] shares his own personal experience with
[00:04:06.040] the future human visitors my eyes went
[00:04:08.360] black and all of a sudden I feel all of
[00:04:11.519] this information coming in my brain and
[00:04:14.799] the other individual standing to my left
[00:04:16.799] occasionally would say did you get that
[00:04:18.959] did you get that I'm like uh-huh uh-huh
[00:04:20.919] and I can see it coming in I have no
[00:04:23.080] idea what it is w and I've talked to
[00:04:26.199] people that have exped it it was almost
[00:04:27.880] like a QR code loed in their brain was
[00:04:31.160] the communication along the way we
[00:04:33.199] dropped New Revelations from David grush
[00:04:35.680] the UFO whistleblower from my last video
[00:04:38.080] that blew the cover on UFO reverse
[00:04:40.039] engineering programs I I talked to
[00:04:42.039] people who really did analyze the stuff
[00:04:43.479] from the real deal stuff and it's super
[00:04:46.080] weird it's like heavy element europium
[00:04:49.479] californium stuff it's like in these
[00:04:51.240] Atomic Arrangements that make like no
[00:04:54.400] sounds so on that note hit subscribe and
[00:04:57.680] converge with your future self as you
[00:04:59.960] watch today's American Alchemist Dr
[00:05:02.479] Michael
[00:05:04.280] [Music]
[00:05:05.840] Masters different parts of the brain
[00:05:07.919] have different activities but you know
[00:05:09.960] that don't
[00:05:13.280] you people you maybe you should
[00:05:16.199] interview
[00:05:16.980] [Music]
[00:05:24.240] me this place is interesting sh where
[00:05:27.440] are we yeah would you bring me back time
[00:05:30.000] for this conversation or something man
[00:05:33.000] feels like it
[00:05:37.520] trippy I'm excited to speak with you
[00:05:40.639] yeah same man yeah even if it isn't a
[00:05:42.919] trip out 1950s D I don't know what
[00:05:45.960] happened we just ended up here so you
[00:05:47.960] wrote you've written three books now two
[00:05:50.440] of which I've read and are fantastic
[00:05:53.039] identified flying objects and the extra
[00:05:55.600] tempesto model and in the second book
[00:05:58.240] you really Pro out kind of the the
[00:05:59.720] theoretical framework for how a lot of
[00:06:02.759] what we consider extraterrestrial
[00:06:04.800] visitors are actually just humans from
[00:06:07.160] the future I think one of the most
[00:06:08.720] remarkable things from your book is you
[00:06:11.039] cite the the free Edgar Mitchell study
[00:06:12.960] it's the largest study um of contactees
[00:06:16.639] abductees experiencers in general the
[00:06:18.960] time they published that study I was
[00:06:20.880] referencing I think they had about 3,500
[00:06:23.039] yeah and it's up about 5,000 now so
[00:06:25.039] they're continuing to bring more data in
[00:06:27.479] and then further analyses might change
[00:06:29.160] some the ways that we look at these
[00:06:30.880] things and you say uh that 52% of the
[00:06:36.000] respondents contact e uh experience
[00:06:39.080] homid like creatures in their kind of
[00:06:41.280] contact experience and then 85% of those
[00:06:44.840] cases with this is what I find
[00:06:46.400] fascinating uh have a friendly
[00:06:48.560] experience friendly or neutral
[00:06:50.080] experience which might show that if they
[00:06:52.639] are sort of future trans temporal humans
[00:06:55.319] or something they show a a care for us
[00:06:58.879] in a way that will maybe help us sort of
[00:07:00.840] Ascend into them or ensure their own
[00:07:03.199] sustenance in a way yeah and what's
[00:07:05.400] another interesting thing you can tease
[00:07:07.039] out of that is the ones who did interact
[00:07:09.160] with less human forms had a more
[00:07:11.919] negative experience and so you kind of
[00:07:14.039] have to break that down as it because it
[00:07:16.240] was scarier is there more ontological
[00:07:18.000] shock when something that looks like a a
[00:07:19.960] giant bug is abducting you that can
[00:07:22.160] control your mind and interact with you
[00:07:24.080] telepathically and give you images and
[00:07:26.639] all of these crazy downloads but it is
[00:07:28.720] interesting that most reported form is
[00:07:30.720] human and you might expect that I think
[00:07:32.560] we talked about this previously where
[00:07:34.280] you might expect that based on where we
[00:07:36.560] are in time because in the same way that
[00:07:39.520] you know here in Los Angeles or wherever
[00:07:41.479] the hell you took me um you have people
[00:07:44.039] that you interact with more who are
[00:07:46.400] local who are here yeah because they're
[00:07:49.159] just there they're closer to you in
[00:07:50.840] proximate Geographic space but it may be
[00:07:53.360] similar with time where you expect to
[00:07:54.879] see people from closer to your relative
[00:07:58.000] time because you're closer to them
[00:08:00.199] whereas these that are maybe the pr
[00:08:02.639] mantis looking humans I don't think
[00:08:05.440] they're actual insects or they would
[00:08:06.840] have six legs by definitions one caveat
[00:08:10.400] but we expect to see them less because
[00:08:12.240] we're one tiny blip on their their radar
[00:08:15.120] it's just we're we're less likely to run
[00:08:17.120] into someone from Malaysia or South
[00:08:19.479] Africa in Oklahoma but we see Oklahomans
[00:08:22.599] all the time because they're just there
[00:08:24.919] yeah North Sentinel Island is a remote
[00:08:27.919] island off the coast of IND and its
[00:08:30.000] people have had minimal contact with the
[00:08:32.039] outside world save for a few encounters
[00:08:34.479] with anthropologists and Christian
[00:08:36.320] missionaries fully clothed pale- skinned
[00:08:39.080] and speaking a foreign language these
[00:08:41.279] people must seem like aliens from
[00:08:43.039] another planet to the North Sentinel e
[00:08:45.320] and if you're the majority of North
[00:08:46.920] Sentinel natives who didn't interact
[00:08:48.880] with these visitors personally you
[00:08:51.000] probably wouldn't believe the ones who
[00:08:52.839] did over time these contact stories
[00:08:55.320] would get relegated to mythology and
[00:08:57.320] lore we might be making the same same
[00:08:59.440] wrong assumptions when it comes to UFOs
[00:09:01.880] and alien contact experiences we have
[00:09:04.440] our own mythological contact stories
[00:09:06.680] that half the population believes while
[00:09:08.839] the other doesn't and we assume these
[00:09:11.360] alien contact experiences are
[00:09:13.680] interactions with beings from another
[00:09:15.880] planet but maybe our so-called alien
[00:09:18.480] visitors aren't from far away they're
[00:09:20.920] from far
[00:09:23.120] ahead just probabilistically the idea
[00:09:26.160] that life and another in a completely
[00:09:28.839] for you know Planet would evolutionarily
[00:09:31.680] converge to look exactly like us or very
[00:09:34.360] similar to us speak our language in many
[00:09:37.279] cases as you you know talk about a lot
[00:09:39.000] of these abduction experiences breath
[00:09:41.200] our all of that it just feels super
[00:09:44.959] unlikely and maybe the the one argument
[00:09:47.240] to that is that you know Dave grush
[00:09:49.200] talked about this they could somehow
[00:09:51.480] they're so Advanced that they could
[00:09:52.839] program something like us it's either
[00:09:55.920] extraterrestrial and we're seeing
[00:09:58.120] bioengineer
[00:10:00.760] beings uh that look similar to us for
[00:10:03.760] ease of communication and acceptance
[00:10:06.200] maybe and that is like almost like an
[00:10:08.040] avatar for the intelligence behind you
[00:10:10.600] know the the ghost behind the ma machine
[00:10:12.959] or whatever there's that possibility I I
[00:10:16.120] suppose and that actually would make
[00:10:17.440] more sense that they were engineered
[00:10:20.000] specifically to look like that and it
[00:10:21.959] wasn't natural if they're trying to make
[00:10:23.959] something that's less jarring to us that
[00:10:26.200] looks and acts more like us just make it
[00:10:28.720] like us make it like us why make it look
[00:10:31.040] like what we're going to look like in
[00:10:32.519] another 20 30 40,000 years tot totally
[00:10:35.360] but I have thought about that idea of
[00:10:37.160] avatars before and it's it's actually a
[00:10:39.399] big uh part of the storyline in my most
[00:10:41.839] recent book Revelation the future human
[00:10:43.839] past where there is some indication that
[00:10:47.000] they're making sort of Ro robotic
[00:10:51.320] Droid avatars whatever you want to call
[00:10:53.760] them but potentially and we're not far
[00:10:57.639] from this technology now biologically
[00:10:59.959] constructed ones where we move away from
[00:11:01.680] moving parts and things that need oil
[00:11:03.600] and can break down to using that
[00:11:06.440] advanced knowledge of genetics and
[00:11:08.120] genetic manipulation something probably
[00:11:10.839] uh centuries Beyond crisper technology
[00:11:13.600] and creating forms that can perform
[00:11:16.480] certain tasks so I I I would agree with
[00:11:18.480] grush in the sense that some of these
[00:11:20.040] could be created but then the question
[00:11:21.800] is who's creating them a quick word from
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[00:12:29.880] as a species We are Becoming
[00:12:31.639] domesticated the average male sperm
[00:12:33.920] count is just 59% of what it was in 1973
[00:12:38.199] and testosterone has been dropping 1%
[00:12:40.880] year-over-year since the80s so I picked
[00:12:43.399] four cities in the United States that
[00:12:44.959] had different environments and we showed
[00:12:47.320] that pesticide was significantly related
[00:12:49.399] to the men sperm c a wolf is to a dog
[00:12:52.040] what a 19 century human will probably be
[00:12:54.560] to a 22nd century human so infertility
[00:12:58.000] may become a concern in the future and
[00:13:00.680] consistently these aliens seem very
[00:13:03.760] interested in extracting human gamet you
[00:13:06.440] have Antonio vs Boos which you write
[00:13:08.240] about in 57 describing kind of mating
[00:13:11.959] with uh the future human
[00:13:14.839] extraterrestrial being fully doing it
[00:13:17.760] getting busy getting busy and you also
[00:13:20.680] you talk about uh Barney Hill
[00:13:22.839] reluctantly saying that Sean samples
[00:13:25.920] were taken from him uh Jim penniston
[00:13:29.360] rendle Forest incident in 1980 he
[00:13:32.120] recalls a contact experience with
[00:13:34.839] extraterrestrials or future humans that
[00:13:37.079] say they want to maintain genetic
[00:13:39.040] diversity and not get wiped off the
[00:13:41.160] planet and so they specifically need you
[00:13:44.040] know genetic samples from uh current
[00:13:46.959] humans so what's going on are we in some
[00:13:49.480] sort of bizarre intertemporal breeding
[00:13:52.519] program or something I mean you're right
[00:13:54.880] that is one of the most common themes
[00:13:58.079] it's ubiquit across these abduction
[00:14:00.560] cases and and seemingly mostly
[00:14:04.279] throughout the 70s ' 80s 90s you don't
[00:14:07.199] really hear about it as much anymore but
[00:14:10.000] almost every male that was taken would
[00:14:11.959] have sperm extracted females have
[00:14:14.399] developing fetuses implanted taken out
[00:14:17.639] eggs being taken so you you have to ask
[00:14:21.320] why you see these patterns emerge and
[00:14:23.959] you have to ask why and and I think a
[00:14:26.800] lot of what I've tried to do with my
[00:14:28.199] research does not speculate about what's
[00:14:30.399] going to happen where we're going I went
[00:14:32.160] out of my way to avoid that in all of my
[00:14:34.480] books but we can look at what's
[00:14:36.639] happening now and what's happened in the
[00:14:38.360] past and we see a 60% reduction in sperm
[00:14:41.600] counts in males in only the last 40
[00:14:43.759] years in the developed World a 50%
[00:14:46.959] reduction across the entire world a 2011
[00:14:49.720] study showed that average sperm count is
[00:14:51.759] down to 47 million per milliliter below
[00:14:55.079] 40 you start having trouble coning
[00:14:59.240] Jesus yeah there's all of these things
[00:15:01.240] that are happening that could contribute
[00:15:03.519] to problems with genetics in the future
[00:15:05.839] and I think that's what they
[00:15:06.920] specifically told Jim penniston they
[00:15:08.519] said we are you uh we come from 8,000
[00:15:12.519] years in the future and yeah that
[00:15:14.959] they're having problems with
[00:15:16.199] reproduction and they're taking these
[00:15:17.680] gtes and and I think not only that but
[00:15:19.600] also the fact that Antonio Vias boes had
[00:15:22.120] physical intercourse with this woman who
[00:15:25.040] he describes as a woman she looks a
[00:15:26.480] little bit different than women that he
[00:15:27.920] knew slightly higher cheekbones pointier
[00:15:30.680] chin but all of the same parts that you
[00:15:33.120] need to have sex with someone would you
[00:15:35.519] get those with a species that evolved on
[00:15:37.800] a different planet would they even have
[00:15:39.639] anything close to DNA could you take DNA
[00:15:42.279] from them so I think all of these things
[00:15:44.480] together indicate that we are the same
[00:15:46.160] species if this hybridization program is
[00:15:48.319] real you have the ability to reproduce
[00:15:52.040] so it it does feel like humans are
[00:15:53.800] becoming sort of domesticated Allah your
[00:15:56.759] you know the sperm count uh stats that
[00:15:59.040] you've cited we are we know we've been
[00:16:01.000] becoming domesticated for about the last
[00:16:03.240] 30,000 years especially since
[00:16:05.720] agriculture we have a selection for more
[00:16:08.720] pro-social behaviors when we were
[00:16:10.279] nomadic Hunter gathers we could just
[00:16:11.959] move around some being an [ __ ] we
[00:16:13.560] just go somewhere else but once we
[00:16:15.519] started to settle down in cities there
[00:16:17.000] was obviously a lot of conflict we can
[00:16:18.600] see that in the archaeological record
[00:16:20.240] it's an aspect of biological
[00:16:21.519] anthropology called bioarchaeology and
[00:16:24.319] we still go to war with each other but
[00:16:25.839] we seem to be moving away from that a
[00:16:27.880] lot of it's because we're domesticating
[00:16:30.240] ourselves through the selection for more
[00:16:32.959] pro-social behaviors where we can just
[00:16:35.000] get alone we we have to CU we have nukes
[00:16:37.959] you know it's just mutually assured
[00:16:39.399] destruction it's it's it's cataclysmic
[00:16:41.639] if we continue our sort of ways over the
[00:16:44.920] years humans have collected satellite
[00:16:46.759] data of electromagnetic and geomagnetic
[00:16:49.279] anomalies on Earth and when you start to
[00:16:51.600] cross reference these electromagnetic
[00:16:53.560] anomalies against the significant UFO
[00:16:55.959] instances over the last 200 years you
[00:16:58.920] start to see a ridiculous correlation
[00:17:01.639] according to UFO researcher Steve mea
[00:17:04.120] man we want to try and promote the fact
[00:17:05.360] that euphology consists of so much more
[00:17:07.079] than just a light in the
[00:17:08.720] sky not to mention if you could create a
[00:17:11.520] traversible wormhole that allowed for
[00:17:13.520] time travel you'd see a ton of
[00:17:15.640] electromagnetic Fallout around it as
[00:17:18.160] future American Alchemy guest Eric Wargo
[00:17:20.559] writes a portal or UFO itself as shown
[00:17:23.720] by The Intergalactic wormhole in
[00:17:25.520] interstellar would appear visually as a
[00:17:28.039] cond threedimensional object having
[00:17:30.679] volume not as a hole or doorway and I
[00:17:33.480] remember being at Skinwalker rch which
[00:17:35.640] is this famous kind of paranormal Hots
[00:17:37.600] spot in the uent you know Basin in Utah
[00:17:41.360] and a trifield meter going off right
[00:17:44.160] before we left we grabbed the trifield
[00:17:45.679] meters it had full battery it's flashing
[00:17:48.880] it's now dead because there was a lot of
[00:17:50.960] electromagnetic activity in historically
[00:17:52.720] there's been a lot of electromagnetic
[00:17:54.240] activity there and so are we just
[00:17:56.880] witnessing wormholes or
[00:17:59.080] I I kind of get the sense that many of
[00:18:01.840] these craft are time machines themselves
[00:18:04.559] a lot of the saucer shaped dis shaped
[00:18:07.159] craft have a form consistent with the
[00:18:10.600] function of manipulating SpaceTime so
[00:18:13.200] maybe it it helps in moving through
[00:18:15.720] SpaceTime in some way if they are in
[00:18:17.480] fact our time traveling descendants um
[00:18:20.280] but there might be more going on it
[00:18:21.640] could have something to do with energy
[00:18:23.280] sources or drawing energy from the
[00:18:25.080] environment that helps power the craft
[00:18:27.240] so maybe portal like Skinwalker Ranch
[00:18:29.960] and others with high electromagnetic and
[00:18:32.200] nuclear activity are the launch and
[00:18:34.400] landing pads for UFOs not the White
[00:18:37.159] House lawn vandenbberg or the tarmac at
[00:18:39.240] LAX if UFOs were simply entering our
[00:18:42.440] atmosphere from space you'd probably
[00:18:44.880] expect some sort of electromagnetic
[00:18:46.960] superhighway coming to and from Earth
[00:18:49.480] but if you talk to any SE scientists
[00:18:51.799] trying to pick up communication signals
[00:18:53.760] from space they'll say the same thing
[00:18:56.360] that space itself is remarkably quiet
[00:18:59.799] when I started on interviewing people
[00:19:01.760] that were totally genuine and of course
[00:19:03.360] uncovering the the kind of Legacy
[00:19:05.520] program that I've talked about I mean I
[00:19:07.640] lost a lot of sleep I couldn't even like
[00:19:09.440] conceptualize stuff I mean even for me
[00:19:11.880] my worldview which I consider myself an
[00:19:13.640] open person I had trouble even
[00:19:17.039] understanding it and I went back to the
[00:19:18.240] fmy parado I'm like why isn't there an
[00:19:20.600] overt presence why would the government
[00:19:22.520] even be this how like deep I went like
[00:19:24.440] why would the government even be allowed
[00:19:25.679] to have this stuff in their possession
[00:19:28.320] if a higher sentience you know either
[00:19:30.880] didn't want it or wanted it back or you
[00:19:33.559] know whatever you can make up a bunch of
[00:19:34.760] notional scenarios uh that you know kind
[00:19:37.200] of sounds sci-fi but and I'm just like I
[00:19:39.960] kind of want I'm like well but the fact
[00:19:41.840] is we do do you believe the US
[00:19:43.640] government is in possession of Time
[00:19:46.320] Machine
[00:19:48.480] craft I think if these things that
[00:19:51.039] crashed are time machines then
[00:19:52.960] absolutely and you think they're time
[00:19:54.360] machine I do yeah uh again just the dis
[00:19:57.720] shaped craft because we have this
[00:19:59.200] expression in biology that form follows
[00:20:01.080] function yeah and the form of these
[00:20:03.159] machines seems to indicate the function
[00:20:06.559] of manipulating space time and traveling
[00:20:09.480] forward and backwards I Le and that's
[00:20:11.360] just based on Frank tipler's work not
[00:20:14.000] just it's this whole line of evolution
[00:20:17.600] stemming from Einstein's original 1915
[00:20:20.000] paper you have all of these solutions to
[00:20:22.000] his field equations you have lens and
[00:20:23.679] the frame dragging you have these
[00:20:25.720] solutions that show you can tip over
[00:20:27.640] those light cones through the rotation
[00:20:30.120] of massive objects we've tested this and
[00:20:32.120] shown that even the Earth as a extremely
[00:20:34.440] small planet relative to other
[00:20:35.960] exoplanets also creates this Frame
[00:20:38.120] dragging effect not long after that you
[00:20:40.240] had van stockum you had the godell
[00:20:42.960] universe where you imagine this
[00:20:44.559] infinitely large disc like a imagine a
[00:20:47.760] Galaxy that's infinitely large where
[00:20:50.440] it's creating that same rotational frame
[00:20:52.600] dragging and bending over light cones so
[00:20:54.760] that you can move into the past and then
[00:20:57.360] importantly in the 19 1970s with Frank
[00:20:59.360] tippler that's all shrunk down to the
[00:21:03.200] size that's finite and it's a rapidly
[00:21:06.919] rotating ring sphere or disc as he said
[00:21:10.520] and he shows that you can have all of
[00:21:12.000] these same frame dragging light cone
[00:21:14.640] bending over properties with something
[00:21:16.760] that sounds exactly like a UFO they're
[00:21:19.320] seen rotating they're seen popping in
[00:21:21.080] and out of SpaceTime I mean I'm not
[00:21:22.880] saying our theoretical Frameworks are
[00:21:24.320] correct but we really do have physics
[00:21:26.400] explanations on how how how the uaps
[00:21:29.320] jump around or whatever that's totally
[00:21:32.080] um an effect of an occu bear
[00:21:35.360] style war bubble so that would be light
[00:21:39.240] being blue shifted into the ultraviolet
[00:21:41.799] as it's lensed across the bubble that
[00:21:44.880] the craft creates it's a blue shift not
[00:21:46.840] just in light that takes it up into that
[00:21:49.440] that shortwave radiation area that
[00:21:51.799] causes temporary damage to people but
[00:21:54.039] also time is shifted as a result of that
[00:21:56.919] like everything within that that region
[00:21:59.080] in and around this uh what Jim penniston
[00:22:01.200] called a sphere of influence where he
[00:22:03.279] felt like he was walking through water
[00:22:05.880] like everything within proximity to that
[00:22:08.240] craft was was different it was shifted
[00:22:10.480] so there's a lot of things like that
[00:22:12.320] that indicate that in proximity to these
[00:22:14.640] craft they are manipulating the rate at
[00:22:16.440] which time flows and if you have that
[00:22:19.159] ability what's stopping you from going
[00:22:20.720] back through it but then we take
[00:22:22.919] seriously the accounts these contact
[00:22:25.320] cases where you have things like
[00:22:26.960] Corporal Armando in Chile in the 1970s
[00:22:30.159] where he disappears entirely from the
[00:22:33.440] six men in his platoon 15 minutes later
[00:22:36.400] he reappears but 5 days passed for him
[00:22:39.440] as indicated by the wrist watch which
[00:22:41.240] reads 5 days in the future his beard has
[00:22:44.000] grown out he was just shaven before that
[00:22:46.039] Travis Walton wakes up after his
[00:22:48.440] abduction experience and you know he has
[00:22:50.480] a fully you know beard or whatever he
[00:22:52.120] had shaved right before his experience
[00:22:53.919] yeah and he may have been gone for 5
[00:22:55.520] days that one's harder to corroborate
[00:22:57.159] but it it was shown that the trees in
[00:22:59.039] and around the place he was taken the
[00:23:01.000] ones facing that side grew faster Linda
[00:23:04.320] Jones in Manchester UK she was running
[00:23:06.679] with her children away from this UFO and
[00:23:08.640] the grass was growing rapidly under her
[00:23:11.000] feet as she was running the grass seemed
[00:23:12.919] to move the side of us and in front of
[00:23:14.919] us Amy ryance is probably one of my
[00:23:17.080] favorite cases in this regard because
[00:23:19.320] she was taken her friend Petra watched
[00:23:21.679] her being taken through the window all
[00:23:24.000] of a sudden they get this call that
[00:23:26.200] she's been found at a petrol station 790
[00:23:29.880] km away but what's interesting is she
[00:23:32.120] claims to have been on board that craft
[00:23:33.960] with a man she said specifically an
[00:23:36.320] interview I don't call him an alien I
[00:23:37.640] call him a man he had all the same
[00:23:39.279] physiological characteristics of a man
[00:23:41.720] she claims she was with them for 5 to
[00:23:43.400] seven days clearly they traveled 790 km
[00:23:47.279] to drop her off but also seemingly went
[00:23:49.360] back in time to drop her off closer to
[00:23:51.919] the point at which she was taking and
[00:23:53.720] likely because her friends freaking out
[00:23:55.200] her husband's freaking out the cops
[00:23:56.640] think she was murdered one case one of
[00:23:58.600] my favorite uh Udo wartena he got a tour
[00:24:01.480] he didn't know [ __ ] about UFOs or
[00:24:03.440] electromagnetics of course cuz he's a
[00:24:05.360] minor but they explain that there's
[00:24:07.360] these counter rotating flywheels so it's
[00:24:10.600] like where you have those maglev trains
[00:24:12.880] where it's it's it's above it's a
[00:24:14.360] frictionless surface which is why they
[00:24:15.919] can go so fast and use less energy where
[00:24:18.520] they're they're spinning these flywheels
[00:24:20.320] and then these magnets these
[00:24:21.440] electromagnets are are forcing those
[00:24:23.400] around and something about the counter
[00:24:25.000] rotation of those creates this Electro
[00:24:27.840] magnetic field which I think is
[00:24:29.760] important for their anti-gravity
[00:24:31.880] propulsion and importantly the uh the
[00:24:35.120] manipulation of SpaceTime so do you have
[00:24:37.120] a sense of the current engineering
[00:24:39.559] limitations on our own ability to build
[00:24:42.159] these time machines a if these are time
[00:24:45.240] machines B if we've received them as
[00:24:48.520] crashed or landed Vehicles which was an
[00:24:51.679] interesting thing to hear that's come
[00:24:53.399] out of David gush's testimony is that
[00:24:55.679] seemingly some of them are gifted in
[00:24:58.720] objects that sort of gives us a leg
[00:25:01.799] up um but then it's still this question
[00:25:05.080] of what is time if there's time travel I
[00:25:09.919] I talked to people who really did
[00:25:11.039] analyze the stuff from the real deal
[00:25:12.679] stuff and it's super weird it's like
[00:25:15.399] heavy element um you know europium
[00:25:18.799] californium stuff it's like in these
[00:25:20.559] Atomic Arrangements that make like no
[00:25:23.799] sense you know this is through x-ray
[00:25:25.480] defraction where they can image the shad
[00:25:27.760] Shadows of the atomic Pairs and stuff
[00:25:29.559] and it's like why yeah is all these
[00:25:32.080] crazy heavy elements in this like weird
[00:25:35.799] ceramic
[00:25:37.120] metal Hall structure and it doesn't we
[00:25:40.159] don't understand the emergent
[00:25:42.120] metamaterial properties going we can't
[00:25:45.080] configure atoms you can get down to what
[00:25:46.960] 0. 2 nanometers or something as far as
[00:25:49.440] yeah I mean there's certain Tech uh
[00:25:51.080] techniques out there that they're
[00:25:52.600] they're um augmenting some XR of
[00:25:55.279] fraction Technologies we can get down to
[00:25:56.880] subangstrom
[00:25:58.440] but most techniques are like two to angr
[00:26:01.720] you you can't directly image the ATS but
[00:26:03.640] you can see the shadows and
[00:26:05.279] configurations but they're we're getting
[00:26:07.880] to where we could actually image the
[00:26:09.799] atoms it's interesting what comes to
[00:26:11.840] mind when you say the UFOs themselves
[00:26:13.440] are a time machine I've been kind of
[00:26:16.039] really researching this mid-century
[00:26:17.840] inventor named towns and brown and he
[00:26:20.600] was super into ant anti-gravity was kind
[00:26:22.440] of the nominal story of you know he'
[00:26:24.559] create these like super high electrical
[00:26:26.240] charges over short distance say he was
[00:26:28.640] funded by a guy named agnu banson and
[00:26:31.799] banson is quoted as saying very weird
[00:26:34.480] effects occur with high electricity over
[00:26:37.840] over short
[00:26:38.960] distances and you know what's funny is
[00:26:42.000] if you the deeper cut on towns and brown
[00:26:44.559] is he was super into time travel and he
[00:26:47.200] would talk about it with his daughter
[00:26:49.080] Linda and he even had a confidant uh who
[00:26:52.240] I think is written about pseudonymously
[00:26:53.960] in this great book called the man who
[00:26:55.240] mastered Gravity by a guy named Paul
[00:26:56.720] shotkin and his name is Morgan and
[00:26:59.320] Morgan becomes a source for the book and
[00:27:02.240] he's writing to Paul shotkin and Paul's
[00:27:04.919] being a little thickheaded about what
[00:27:07.320] what is the actual machine what are
[00:27:08.880] these gravitator and at some point uh
[00:27:11.760] Morgan kind of blows up and he goes it's
[00:27:14.200] a [ __ ] time machine and so you think
[00:27:17.840] that maybe uh past scientists have
[00:27:20.760] actually figured out time yeah well I
[00:27:23.159] think they figured out that these
[00:27:24.799] machines are time machines Herman Ober
[00:27:28.200] uh said the same thing you have General
[00:27:31.200] George Hoover who also said these are
[00:27:34.320] time machines these are future humans
[00:27:36.200] specifically in the 1940s we didn't have
[00:27:38.600] the technology we didn't have the
[00:27:40.039] comprehension of Material Sciences and
[00:27:42.120] the physics in order to do this but what
[00:27:45.559] I feel is happening is that the visitors
[00:27:48.440] themselves are pushing Us in this
[00:27:50.200] direction or rather pulling maybe is a
[00:27:52.279] better word for it well you have all of
[00:27:54.279] these Congress people who really weren't
[00:27:56.519] paying attention to much of this and I
[00:27:58.919] think it's going to be
[00:28:01.480] disclosure from the ones that have been
[00:28:04.000] hiding from us this whole time I was on
[00:28:06.120] the phone yesterday with Robert Hastings
[00:28:07.919] who wrote UFOs and nukes and he's
[00:28:10.240] telling me that he feels like he's being
[00:28:11.919] sublim subliminally guided you know
[00:28:14.720] towards disclosing and doing his work
[00:28:17.519] and I'd be lying if I were to say I
[00:28:19.159] didn't have sort of similar experiences
[00:28:21.600] personally have you had any experiences
[00:28:23.960] like that I don't think many people are
[00:28:27.000] deep in this unless it stems from
[00:28:29.559] something whether that be a light in the
[00:28:32.120] sky they can't explain or some obscure
[00:28:35.880] memories from childhood of a craft
[00:28:37.919] outside their window or a shadowy figure
[00:28:40.120] at their bed I got into this when I was
[00:28:42.559] 8 years old because I had um what I Now
[00:28:45.640] understand was a a moment of conscious
[00:28:48.000] precognition where I visualized together
[00:28:50.679] I talk about this the beginning both my
[00:28:52.360] books uh an early human a modern human
[00:28:54.960] and this archetypal gray alien and then
[00:28:57.519] the thoughts that came with that which I
[00:28:59.640] feel is just now me putting that
[00:29:03.440] information back and past me because I
[00:29:05.760] would eventually do that and then it's
[00:29:07.200] this closed time like Loop of sorts so
[00:29:10.320] that was kind of my motivation and I've
[00:29:12.360] been driven to study Physics and
[00:29:14.679] astronomy and then changed my major to
[00:29:16.279] biological anthropology to study the
[00:29:18.320] humanoid form associated with them
[00:29:20.840] because I was led to do that I remember
[00:29:23.679] the exact moment standing behind Morton
[00:29:25.480] Hall at Ohio University there was this
[00:29:27.919] little voice in my head that said maybe
[00:29:31.320] we should explore it this way maybe
[00:29:33.320] we're all experiencing that you just
[00:29:36.679] don't notice it until you really start
[00:29:39.000] to reflect on the way everything's
[00:29:41.039] connected and and start to put those
[00:29:43.360] pieces together especially with regard
[00:29:45.480] to the synchronicities and who you meet
[00:29:47.320] and when you meet them can you say at
[00:29:49.799] all when you had your future human
[00:29:52.200] contact experience what was communicated
[00:29:54.880] to you well it it's interesting you
[00:29:57.440] asked that specifically because it it
[00:29:59.240] was an intervention I didn't tell
[00:30:00.960] anybody this I was washing dishes at my
[00:30:03.399] sink my wife sitting on the couch and I
[00:30:06.120] just thought you know I'm tired I don't
[00:30:08.559] want to do this anymore yeah I just want
[00:30:10.640] to get this last book done and just kind
[00:30:14.000] of slowly back away from all these
[00:30:16.399] conversations I was traveling a lot
[00:30:18.080] conferences TV shoots I was exhausted
[00:30:20.519] from the UFO topic specifico top I
[00:30:23.600] wasn't like going to go blow my brains
[00:30:24.799] out in a closet or something like I was
[00:30:26.519] just I was tired this I've had that
[00:30:28.279] experience many times you feel it it's
[00:30:30.279] taxi yeah um
[00:30:33.600] so yeah and and I didn't tell anybody I
[00:30:36.240] thought about telling my wife I thought
[00:30:37.519] about being you know what I didn't tell
[00:30:39.399] her I didn't say anything to anyone when
[00:30:42.519] they approached me physically face to
[00:30:45.320] face um this individual there were two
[00:30:48.159] individuals present one pulls up a chair
[00:30:51.600] so close that his knee goes into my
[00:30:53.399] crotch and I have a very strong figh ORF
[00:30:55.519] flight response and it was very much f
[00:30:57.320] fight and and he looks at me in the eyes
[00:31:00.039] and says I can tell you're very upset
[00:31:02.440] about this but I need to be this close
[00:31:04.039] for this to work and all of a
[00:31:06.639] sudden happiness returns next thing he
[00:31:10.039] said is what got in my head a
[00:31:12.200] little he said actually he's not the
[00:31:15.279] right pronoun they it's all they that's
[00:31:18.480] the only pronoun they ever used we and
[00:31:20.440] they there was never a sense of ego or
[00:31:23.600] individualism at all in fact I came away
[00:31:25.799] with this with no sense of ego or at
[00:31:27.559] least a very diminished form of it but
[00:31:30.080] they said we know you've been thinking
[00:31:32.039] about quitting lately and we'd really
[00:31:33.720] prefer you didn't do that and I said how
[00:31:37.159] could you possibly know that I never
[00:31:39.080] told anybody that I never even spoke
[00:31:41.799] those words out loud it was a thought in
[00:31:43.399] my head and they said once you know who
[00:31:46.200] we are you'll know how we know
[00:31:48.159] that and then
[00:31:50.279] telepathically I communicated future
[00:31:52.559] humans and they said so you know how we
[00:31:54.919] did that I said uhhuh and then the
[00:31:58.080] conversation went in a lot of different
[00:32:00.919] directions
[00:32:02.760] the vast majority of it was entirely
[00:32:07.039] telepathic at some point we just stopped
[00:32:10.279] using vocalized speech and even though
[00:32:13.480] there were two individuals all of the
[00:32:16.720] voices were the same voices and that's
[00:32:19.120] the thing that blows my mind the most
[00:32:20.799] and I remember Terry LEL talking about
[00:32:22.720] this when he met Betty Rubble he just
[00:32:25.240] heard her voice in his head in the same
[00:32:28.159] voice if you're not articulating
[00:32:30.039] something it's not vibrating your malus
[00:32:32.240] incus and stapes to send the signal why
[00:32:34.639] does it still sound like that individual
[00:32:36.559] it's mind blood but the three of us are
[00:32:38.960] communicating
[00:32:40.320] telepathically over the course of I
[00:32:42.880] would guess another 10 15 minutes a lot
[00:32:46.120] of other things are exchanged I had
[00:32:48.000] questions they had questions but the
[00:32:50.200] main point of it was that they wanted if
[00:32:53.679] I was okay with it they're very polite
[00:32:56.039] extremely polite
[00:32:57.840] if I was okay with it they said we'll
[00:33:00.039] black your eyes out and give you
[00:33:04.279] three things that will be important at a
[00:33:07.200] future time what were that I I don't
[00:33:09.600] have access to it they told me I
[00:33:11.159] wouldn't have access to it they said we
[00:33:12.880] need to put this information in your
[00:33:14.760] brain if you're okay with it and by this
[00:33:17.279] point it was very clear who they were
[00:33:20.240] their
[00:33:21.279] abilities hive mind Consciousness
[00:33:23.679] interacting in this way I trust to them
[00:33:25.919] and also realized
[00:33:27.720] that in various ways I had been
[00:33:29.320] interacting with them the whole time
[00:33:31.960] that little voice in my head when I
[00:33:33.360] changed Majors a conversation they
[00:33:35.200] referenced yeah uh right before I went
[00:33:37.440] to a conference at race University where
[00:33:40.159] I thought it was just all in my mind
[00:33:41.639] they
[00:33:42.639] referenced that conversation that we had
[00:33:45.960] just prior to me going to this this
[00:33:47.840] conference
[00:33:49.679] so I agreed and that's exactly what
[00:33:53.120] happened my eyes went black I'm still
[00:33:54.559] staring at the same individual in fact
[00:33:56.039] by this point I got very difficult to
[00:33:57.559] turn my head I was kind of just
[00:34:00.760] mesmerized I think that's the word some
[00:34:02.799] Ed my eyes went black and all of a
[00:34:05.360] sudden I feel all of this information
[00:34:08.960] coming in my brain and the other
[00:34:10.919] individual standing to my left
[00:34:12.520] occasionally would say did you get that
[00:34:14.720] did you get that I'm like uh-huh uh-huh
[00:34:16.679] and I can see it coming in I have no
[00:34:18.839] idea what it is wow it's in there yeah I
[00:34:22.599] can't access it I agreed to have it put
[00:34:25.200] there it's like you were partitioned or
[00:34:27.440] something yeah maybe but what's crazy is
[00:34:30.399] the reaction I this was at the beginning
[00:34:33.320] of a conference there's a lot going on
[00:34:35.480] there's a party Halloween party some of
[00:34:37.800] my best friends from the UFO Community
[00:34:39.760] are there we're going to jam Tunes play
[00:34:41.879] music yeah but want to play Travis
[00:34:43.919] Walton's guitar with Micah Hanks for all
[00:34:45.879] this time and I stood up once they
[00:34:48.599] released me from this slowly I could see
[00:34:51.760] this individual again or them in this
[00:34:54.440] manifested form I turn I get up I walk
[00:34:57.359] through it's now a very crowded room of
[00:34:59.400] people from this balcony a woman puts
[00:35:01.640] her hand on my arm and says are you okay
[00:35:04.200] as going like I couldn't lift my head it
[00:35:07.320] felt like it was a 50 lb weight tied to
[00:35:10.760] my forehead I walk out of the VIP room
[00:35:13.440] where this had happened on the balcony
[00:35:15.240] down to my room which is about five
[00:35:16.880] doors away where where is all of this in
[00:35:18.920] a conference hotel in Phoenix Phoenix uh
[00:35:21.560] exact almost exactly one year ago yeah
[00:35:23.640] lay down on the bed lay down backwards
[00:35:26.119] feet still on the the ground and slept
[00:35:27.680] for 13 hours straight wow wake up still
[00:35:31.079] with my feet on the ground still with
[00:35:32.520] all my clothes on and just started
[00:35:34.200] crying uncontrollably not because I was
[00:35:36.440] happy sad confused nothing like whatever
[00:35:39.160] happened did it feel cathartic did you
[00:35:40.839] feel like you were letting out or
[00:35:43.200] anything it was just I just couldn't
[00:35:45.000] control it I cried for hours I had to be
[00:35:47.320] on a panel the next day with a bunch of
[00:35:49.359] people how was that um fine
[00:35:53.200] because um I I went I controlled the
[00:35:56.079] crying I went went and got breakfast
[00:35:57.720] unfortunately was set right by the cash
[00:35:59.880] register where all of these people
[00:36:01.319] gather for their Sunday brunch and I'm
[00:36:03.520] just losing my goddamn mind at this
[00:36:05.079] point and there's all these people
[00:36:06.400] coming walking right I was hoping to be
[00:36:07.839] like back in a corner or something
[00:36:09.760] didn't get that come back to my room
[00:36:11.960] still crying go down to give a book to
[00:36:15.200] an individual who was working at the
[00:36:17.480] registration table and all of a sudden
[00:36:20.440] the same individual kind of materializes
[00:36:23.240] in this empty hallway walks past me put
[00:36:25.839] his hand on my shoulder and says are you
[00:36:27.599] okay I go uh-huh that's all I could say
[00:36:31.359] uh-huh and all of the time this has
[00:36:33.480] happened he just uh-huh like I'm
[00:36:35.400] processing I'm doing what I'm supposed
[00:36:37.520] to I'm getting information the
[00:36:38.760] individual's name or yeah yeah yeah I I
[00:36:41.359] know both of their names but again these
[00:36:48.560] aren't this is what I mean when we talk
[00:36:50.880] about
[00:36:51.680] reconceptualizing what it means to be
[00:36:53.599] human yeah it's not as simple as who as
[00:36:56.880] this individual there you think of them
[00:36:58.920] as I wasn't talking to that individual
[00:37:01.560] their generic emissaries I was talking
[00:37:03.800] to the same day consci yeah that knows
[00:37:06.960] my thoughts enough to reference two very
[00:37:11.640] specific moments of interaction or one
[00:37:14.520] wasn't I was just thinking I don't want
[00:37:16.040] to do this anymore as I'm washing my
[00:37:17.280] damn
[00:37:18.240] dishes they knew that thought yeah so
[00:37:20.960] we're not talking about individuals but
[00:37:22.760] that individual who's a part of this
[00:37:25.839] reappeared as I'm walking through this
[00:37:27.680] hallway takes that
[00:37:30.760] residual whatever it was again it wasn't
[00:37:33.119] negative I wasn't scared by this I
[00:37:35.040] wasn't upset by it I just couldn't stop
[00:37:37.720] crying but I needed to cuz I was on an
[00:37:40.079] important panel about two or three hours
[00:37:41.760] later yeah so it was an effort to sort
[00:37:44.640] of quell the ontological shock if there
[00:37:48.920] was a part of that I it's hard to say
[00:37:51.400] there wasn't but also just whatever was
[00:37:54.119] happening whatever reaction my brain had
[00:37:57.240] to being force fed information in this
[00:38:00.520] way in a very short period of
[00:38:03.599] time in a little primitive monkey brain
[00:38:06.240] that couldn't handle it you so then you
[00:38:08.480] you think they're walking Among Us they
[00:38:10.560] they absolutely are yeah wow that's
[00:38:14.160] pretty wild yeah it is I that one gets a
[00:38:18.319] little deep with people I think there'll
[00:38:20.480] be a gutural response to everything I
[00:38:22.359] just said yeah the walking Among Us
[00:38:24.560] thing I think is a trigger point for a
[00:38:26.079] lot of people yeah maybe that happens at
[00:38:28.760] a later time yeah sure um but I I think
[00:38:32.720] it's an obvious realization I don't
[00:38:35.880] think we even need to say it yeah here's
[00:38:38.359] where things get really trippy everyone
[00:38:40.319] always asks what's the connection
[00:38:42.160] between UFOs and psychic remote viewing
[00:38:44.960] now I know what you're thinking a lot of
[00:38:46.680] the same people that are into one crazy
[00:38:48.520] thing psychic research are going to be
[00:38:50.680] into another aliens but hear me out
[00:38:53.560] there was actually a CIA psychic spy
[00:38:56.000] program to find Russian nuclear bases
[00:38:58.200] and American hostages that ran from 1972
[00:39:01.800] to 1995 it was called star how do you
[00:39:05.280] think you developed your skills for uh
[00:39:08.079] cuz you see really seem to be the best
[00:39:09.720] remote viewer you know maybe ever
[00:39:12.599] functioning itself is a survival
[00:39:14.640] mechanism in the beginning the people
[00:39:16.880] who kept small tribes of humans alive
[00:39:19.599] were Shaman certainly remote viewing is
[00:39:22.599] a thing I mean you saw the government
[00:39:24.240] from the' 70s to at least the '90s
[00:39:26.880] it was Declassified Stargate Russell and
[00:39:30.800] you know off and so the psychic spying
[00:39:33.839] thing was a thing and they had and I've
[00:39:35.920] talked to the you know you know Hal and
[00:39:38.640] those guys and they seem to have you
[00:39:41.040] know many many cases of their Intel
[00:39:43.160] basically being confirmed by traditional
[00:39:46.359] Intel methodologies and modalities a lot
[00:39:49.200] of these psychic spies started to pick
[00:39:51.119] up imagery and Communications from what
[00:39:53.520] they considered alien beings but there's
[00:39:55.839] actually a decent theoretical framework
[00:39:58.160] that connects remote viewing to Mike
[00:40:00.200] Master's future human hypothesis what's
[00:40:02.760] going on in our heads is not an
[00:40:04.920] algorithm it's not following rules Nobel
[00:40:07.880] prizewinning physicist Roger Penrose
[00:40:10.119] hypothesized that maybe the brain is
[00:40:12.400] just a room temperature Quantum system
[00:40:14.760] and that's how it collapses
[00:40:16.400] probabilistic Quantum reality into the
[00:40:19.480] macroscopic discreet classical reality
[00:40:22.480] that we see every day we basically kind
[00:40:25.000] of collapse shers w equation into a
[00:40:27.359] specific IG State and that's done by the
[00:40:29.520] room temperature Quantum system and uh
[00:40:33.359] yeah shout out to a friend of mine who's
[00:40:34.640] super into Roger Penrose and his
[00:40:36.440] theories on this shout out friend shout
[00:40:38.800] out for the friend who loves weird
[00:40:40.599] Consciousness suit you got to introduce
[00:40:42.839] me you holding out on me man guy cool in
[00:40:45.599] one interpretation that's gaining
[00:40:47.359] momentum quantum computers might be able
[00:40:49.960] to send information back in time in
[00:40:53.079] other words they can access their future
[00:40:55.240] knowledge States their there's even been
[00:40:56.839] a lot of research into reversing Cubit
[00:40:59.160] positions in Quantum computations so
[00:41:01.839] maybe these remote viewers brains were
[00:41:03.920] just super robust quantum computers and
[00:41:06.800] maybe they were sending their future UFO
[00:41:09.000] sightings back in time maybe you have
[00:41:11.280] sort of pre-memory of your future
[00:41:13.480] knowledge State and you're glitching
[00:41:15.599] into that with these UFO experiences and
[00:41:17.920] sending the information back in time and
[00:41:20.680] and memory is is works both ways yeah
[00:41:23.760] that kind of explains maybe the
[00:41:25.000] manifestation stuff too it's like
[00:41:27.319] already wow totally it's already
[00:41:30.200] pre-ordained or it's like a it's like a
[00:41:32.119] Time Loop so like a classic example of a
[00:41:34.800] Time Loop is like Carl Young had this
[00:41:37.200] patient who was completely kind of
[00:41:39.280] materialist and inaccessible not woo woo
[00:41:41.560] at all and she comes in and she goes you
[00:41:44.280] know I had this weird dream last night
[00:41:45.960] it was this this golden scarab beetle
[00:41:48.599] was given to me as a gift and as she's
[00:41:51.079] telling the story he sees a a scarab
[00:41:53.119] beetle come down the window sill he
[00:41:55.200] takes it and he gives it to her as a
[00:41:57.000] gift and it and it opens her up and it
[00:41:59.480] makes her you know believe in magic and
[00:42:02.040] in the subconscious and in the power of
[00:42:04.200] you know this this bigger self and
[00:42:07.040] that's the classic example of a Time
[00:42:08.440] Loop because it's something that shifts
[00:42:11.119] your attentional patterns in a slight
[00:42:13.400] way in a way that causes the thing to
[00:42:15.960] manifest if she hadn't said the scar
[00:42:18.200] Beetle story he wouldn't have given her
[00:42:19.880] the stare Beetle and then it caused the
[00:42:21.880] thing to actually happen so maybe the
[00:42:24.480] UFO experience cuz it happens in this
[00:42:26.240] dreamlike State you're sort of glitching
[00:42:28.559] into the future this thing kind of
[00:42:30.960] happens to you in this sort of weird
[00:42:33.280] Quantum reality or whatever but it it
[00:42:36.319] affects your life at the margins in this
[00:42:38.800] way that might cause something else
[00:42:41.040] that's beautiful to manifest oh
[00:42:42.599] interesting yeah I've never heard it put
[00:42:44.040] that way that's pretty cool yeah I don't
[00:42:46.119] know many argue uh again Eric Wargo
[00:42:48.640] argues this in his book time Loops that
[00:42:51.119] remote viewing is really just
[00:42:53.040] precognition that they always want that
[00:42:55.440] deliverable that end thing they always
[00:42:57.400] need to see that and are they just
[00:42:59.599] taking that information and relaying it
[00:43:01.319] back to their past self you have to go
[00:43:03.079] up a level you know go up a level it
[00:43:05.559] says you're wrong about time you're
[00:43:07.359] wrong about space right okay you don't
[00:43:09.720] know where you are you don't know what
[00:43:11.520] time it is in fact you don't know what
[00:43:13.720] time is yeah okay now when I talk to a
[00:43:17.520] physicist like Eric Davis that's what he
[00:43:20.119] tells me he says you know those
[00:43:22.400] Dimensions like space and time they're
[00:43:24.280] arbitrary yeah you know they something
[00:43:26.720] deeper that creates the illusion of
[00:43:31.119] space and time in
[00:43:36.559] humans your your books are so well
[00:43:38.760] argued and so laid out and you have all
[00:43:40.359] these case studies of contact
[00:43:41.920] experiences and you show how uh the kind
[00:43:45.839] of future humans hypothesis is is
[00:43:47.760] probably much stronger than
[00:43:49.760] extraterrestrial hypothesis then sleep
[00:43:52.520] paralysis or hallucinations or all these
[00:43:54.319] other sort of aams Razor explanations
[00:43:56.720] the only issue that I take with it is
[00:43:59.240] this idea of future almost feels like
[00:44:02.559] based on our current kind of myopic
[00:44:05.160] understanding of time and when I went to
[00:44:07.400] jacqu B's place he had books about the
[00:44:11.480] ability to sort of manipulate time and
[00:44:13.640] travel through time and the fourth
[00:44:15.440] dimension and The Fifth Dimension and so
[00:44:18.720] are these beings sort of trans temporal
[00:44:22.119] in nature and maybe they're ascended
[00:44:23.960] versions of us where doesn't just work
[00:44:27.240] the way you know it does you know in our
[00:44:29.400] case and I hate using the the word
[00:44:31.559] Quantum is so overused but there is this
[00:44:34.640] idea of sort of Hilbert space and all
[00:44:36.960] the subatomic spookiness if it does have
[00:44:39.000] to do with time weirdness is there some
[00:44:42.000] layer that we don't quite have access to
[00:44:44.800] and we're living in a kind of a
[00:44:45.920] classical compressed form and so it's
[00:44:49.720] not really future humans it's like
[00:44:51.680] ascended humans or something well I yes
[00:44:55.400] I think so and I don't know if those are
[00:44:57.520] necessarily mutually exclusive and it
[00:45:00.359] could come down to i' never thought
[00:45:02.839] about this before but listening you say
[00:45:04.640] this would kind of make sense that maybe
[00:45:06.440] the same dichotomy where time doesn't
[00:45:09.640] work or exist the way we think it does
[00:45:12.359] because our our
[00:45:14.040] Evolution has forced us into this pigeon
[00:45:16.920] hold reality where we can only
[00:45:18.960] experience it linearly because we have
[00:45:20.800] these brains that have to exist in these
[00:45:22.359] environments that have been trained to
[00:45:23.640] do so but maybe that exists at the
[00:45:26.880] macroscopic level too you know granted
[00:45:29.280] millions of people have purportedly
[00:45:31.079] either seen something or have had some
[00:45:32.920] kind of interaction which you know I
[00:45:34.599] can't tell you either way if that
[00:45:36.280] happened but they believe it right John
[00:45:37.640] Max stuff right and so it's like
[00:45:42.240] prevalent but not prevalent at the same
[00:45:44.200] time and it's this like like little
[00:45:46.400] Shadow game of like showing a little bit
[00:45:49.920] but most of the activity is kind of
[00:45:51.559] below the noise floor and it like drove
[00:45:53.319] me crazy trying to understand like what
[00:45:55.400] is going on on
[00:45:57.680] here reports of flying saucers are
[00:46:00.440] nothing new from the beginning of
[00:46:02.400] recorded time men have been seen
[00:46:04.520] unexplainable things in the sky from
[00:46:06.960] Mesopotamia to Egypt to Roswell people
[00:46:09.559] have seen unexplained objects in the sky
[00:46:12.200] throughout human history which makes
[00:46:14.280] sense because if time travel is possible
[00:46:16.520] in the future that means it's always
[00:46:18.800] been possible past primitive rituals and
[00:46:22.640] tribes often deal with sort of cranial
[00:46:26.200] deformation to make a person look a
[00:46:28.480] little bit more like a a gray alien or
[00:46:30.480] something yeah intentional cranial
[00:46:32.240] modification it's ubiquitous throughout
[00:46:34.720] the world where you're binding their
[00:46:36.359] head with the cranial wrapping or the
[00:46:38.480] cranial boarding like the Maya would
[00:46:40.119] just stick the kid's head between two
[00:46:41.880] boards and squish it and there was even
[00:46:43.640] one group uh a paper by gson and gson
[00:46:46.720] from
[00:46:47.520] 1995 where they interviewed them and
[00:46:49.960] said why why do you do this and they
[00:46:51.800] said because our ancestors were
[00:46:53.480] instructed by the gods to do this
[00:46:56.319] more like them so yeah you have to
[00:46:59.240] wonder is there a connection because the
[00:47:01.640] cranial facial form that you get from
[00:47:03.559] this is very reminiscent of what we
[00:47:07.160] understand as part of our cultural
[00:47:09.240] knowledge now as being a part of this
[00:47:12.000] great alien
[00:47:14.760] physiology so continuing from what you
[00:47:17.319] were saying are we safe as like a human
[00:47:19.960] species because I mean I might have
[00:47:21.839] watched too many movies but like let's
[00:47:24.640] say we do have a captive non-human
[00:47:27.119] species somewhere we don't know I don't
[00:47:28.760] know if it's confirmed or not but let's
[00:47:29.960] say we do how do we how how do we know
[00:47:33.079] that they're like kind if not coming
[00:47:35.160] back to yeah I mean we can only you know
[00:47:37.520] through external observation and a
[00:47:39.559] humanistic lens kind of you know see
[00:47:41.520] intent if it's malice or benevolence I
[00:47:43.800] mean I mean if the universe certainly
[00:47:46.240] has a yin and yang so they're certainly
[00:47:48.280] dark with light so they're certainly
[00:47:49.880] going to be some malevolence and at
[00:47:51.480] least some of the things that some of my
[00:47:53.400] interview subjects told me about sounded
[00:47:55.720] malevolent to me but there seems to be a
[00:47:58.599] lot of neutrality and benevolence as
[00:48:00.280] well so I think it's a mixed bag it's
[00:48:02.000] just like humans right are humans are
[00:48:04.280] generally kind but we also kill animals
[00:48:06.119] for food and like if you were a cow
[00:48:07.839] you'd be like these evil humans are
[00:48:09.319] going to chop me up and like you know
[00:48:11.480] eat me so it's but we're not actually
[00:48:14.640] benevolent or excuse me malevolent as a
[00:48:17.280] whole but some lower sentient species
[00:48:19.800] would see us as malevolent intent is
[00:48:22.680] really difficult to pin down especially
[00:48:24.920] cuz as we're talking about earlier
[00:48:26.800] you're talking about intent with a lot
[00:48:28.160] of different groups I think I mentioned
[00:48:30.200] earlier what's the intent of humans you
[00:48:32.079] know you can't just group us together as
[00:48:33.880] one entity and say we all have the same
[00:48:35.760] reason for doing things and the same
[00:48:38.000] behaviors and and you multiply that
[00:48:40.240] across time and there's going to be a
[00:48:42.040] lot of different reasons for doing
[00:48:43.800] things maybe we're in the middle of a
[00:48:46.240] cosmic timeline war on the one side we
[00:48:49.079] have an advanced civilization who have
[00:48:51.040] ascended from us in the future they live
[00:48:53.359] in a trans temporal Dimension a
[00:48:55.240] dimension beyond the bounds of time and
[00:48:57.880] are struggling to communicate with human
[00:48:59.839] beings on the other hand you have forces
[00:49:01.920] wanting to M human consciousness like a
[00:49:04.160] natural resource through distractions
[00:49:06.520] and Engineering tribalism to enslave us
[00:49:09.359] keep us violently scapegoating each
[00:49:11.119] other the cycle continues and they
[00:49:13.200] continue to mine that is I would say the
[00:49:15.920] principal theme in my most recent book
[00:49:18.240] is that exact question the different
[00:49:21.040] timelines the intent who's benefiting
[00:49:23.760] from that timeline over another one
[00:49:25.640] there's a lot of really interesting
[00:49:27.480] questions that stem from that and then
[00:49:29.119] you have you know for the last couple
[00:49:30.720] years you had Ross colart and Frank
[00:49:32.200] Milburn talking about this cataclysm
[00:49:34.200] thing you've got the continuing nut job
[00:49:36.119] in North Korea where he's trying to
[00:49:37.880] demonstrate a capacity to launch icbms
[00:49:40.160] at the continental United States and
[00:49:42.079] then you've got China you've got the
[00:49:43.599] everpresent risk of China also UFOs
[00:49:46.640] showing up more around the creation of
[00:49:48.839] our nuclear programs and attempting to
[00:49:50.960] monitor shut down or in certain cases
[00:49:53.400] activate nuclear facilities would make
[00:49:56.119] complete sense in the context of future
[00:49:58.280] humans trying to maintain their ideal
[00:50:00.720] timeline and maybe even ensure their own
[00:50:03.240] existence every generation thought it
[00:50:05.119] was the last it always thought that this
[00:50:07.599] the end times are coming the end is n
[00:50:09.480] it's sort of this epic cliche throughout
[00:50:11.920] human history but there does seem to be
[00:50:15.599] almost a need for it and I can't help
[00:50:19.000] but wonder if we're on the precipice of
[00:50:22.200] a massive revolution in human
[00:50:24.200] consciousness yeah we either evolve
[00:50:26.880] there together or we
[00:50:29.319] bifurcate and still evolve there but in
[00:50:32.200] a very different way the sacred
[00:50:34.240] knowledge has never been lost only been
[00:50:37.280] covered with myriads of confusion and
[00:50:41.599] complicated whatever is going on but it
[00:50:45.000] is still here humans tend to report
[00:50:47.319] seeing UFOs when they're in certain
[00:50:49.240] heightened States Of Consciousness maybe
[00:50:51.760] that's when they're closest to their
[00:50:53.119] future selves it's like Michelangelo
[00:50:55.680] cine Chapel God's finger is extended to
[00:50:58.640] its maximum but Adam's finger is
[00:51:00.920] slightly contracted the point is that
[00:51:03.440] God is always there but the decision is
[00:51:05.799] left to man to reach out maybe we have
[00:51:08.280] the same relationship with our future
[00:51:10.119] selves and it's on us to reach
[00:51:12.690] [Music]
[00:51:15.000] out the fact that it recorded static
[00:51:17.599] isn't what interest
[00:51:23.680] me continue
[00:51:26.960] what interests me is that it recorded
[00:51:30.119] approximately 18 hours of
[00:51:36.960] it that is interesting isn't
[00:51:41.280] it