Saucers and Saints - "Lenval Logan: Inside the UAP Task Force | Intelligence Analyst Speaks"

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• Published: 2026-07-25
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[00:00:00.240] supposedly in the past something bad
[00:00:02.800] happened and they said when we come back
[00:00:04.560] there's going to be a reckoning and I'm
[00:00:06.480] like okay when who comes back and if
[00:00:09.440] you're not the ones then who's flying
[00:00:11.759] around now and someone's someone came up
[00:00:14.480] to me and he he said I was told to tell
[00:00:18.240] you I was like uh-oh [laughter] and he
[00:00:20.960] he's like I was told to tell you that
[00:00:24.320] the ones that are flying around now are
[00:00:27.680] the ones that broke the treaty. I was
[00:00:29.439] like, "Whoa, what treaty?" You know, and
[00:00:32.239] he's like, "You know, the treaty that
[00:00:34.000] they made back back in the 50s and the
[00:00:35.840] 60s." And I was like, "Oh, that can't be
[00:00:39.600] aircraft. There actually is a large
[00:00:41.920] unidentified object circling the Earth.
[00:00:44.320] An incredible."
[00:00:46.505] [music]
[00:00:50.960] >> Actually, we are very curious to know
[00:00:52.559] where it is you come from.
[00:00:54.079] >> So, today's guest is Lenville Logan. He
[00:00:56.480] just goes by Logan, so we're going to
[00:00:58.000] stick with Logan. A retired US Air Force
[00:01:01.120] Master Sergeant who uh more than 20
[00:01:03.680] years in the Air Force. Uh he began his
[00:01:06.320] career as a B2 crew chief, I believe.
[00:01:08.960] Later cross2
[00:01:10.479] >> B-52, right?
[00:01:12.080] >> Yeah.
[00:01:12.640] >> Yeah. And cross trainined into
[00:01:14.640] intelligence.
[00:01:16.240] Uh became an all source intelligence
[00:01:18.400] analyst, which we'll get into that. um
[00:01:21.680] served on the UAP task force under
[00:01:24.080] Stratton and is now the CEO of Phenom
[00:01:27.759] LLC and we'll talk about that. So, in
[00:01:30.159] the in the middle of it, um there's
[00:01:33.920] there's a lot of stuff here that I think
[00:01:35.680] people are going to find really really
[00:01:37.119] interesting. And you've probably seen
[00:01:39.600] Logan on uh maybe Joe Rogan, James Fox
[00:01:44.240] movie, The Phenomenon or The Program,
[00:01:46.799] excuse me. And uh George Knap had a
[00:01:50.479] Netflix series which uh you appeared in
[00:01:53.439] as well. And then I think more recently
[00:01:56.880] uh Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp had
[00:01:58.799] you on on their channel as well. Well,
[00:02:00.799] first off, describe your experience in
[00:02:02.719] the Air Force cuz you were born I think
[00:02:04.399] in England, right?
[00:02:06.240] >> Yeah. Yes. Um
[00:02:08.959] uh I was born in England until you know
[00:02:12.000] and raised there till I was about
[00:02:16.080] 11, 12. came over to
[00:02:20.400] New York in the Bronx, stayed there for
[00:02:23.280] a little while, then went moved to
[00:02:24.480] Philadelphia, German Town,
[00:02:26.640] >> and my plan was to join the military, go
[00:02:30.959] back to England, get an education, cuz
[00:02:34.640] at the time, education was free in
[00:02:37.360] England, so you could get a college
[00:02:38.959] degree. Um, it's become more like the
[00:02:41.680] American system now where you have to
[00:02:43.280] pay a lot of money. But, um,
[00:02:46.371] [clears throat] I, uh, the plan was join
[00:02:50.640] join the Air Force, get stationed in
[00:02:53.040] England, and they stationed me in
[00:02:54.560] Michigan with B-52s. [laughter]
[00:02:58.480] And funny enough, my best friend who was
[00:03:02.159] American
[00:03:04.480] Jo joined the Marines first, did did a
[00:03:07.200] couple years with them, then joined the
[00:03:09.120] Air Force and then got stationed in
[00:03:11.040] England at the exact base that I wanted
[00:03:12.959] to get to.
[00:03:14.159] >> You're like, "Ain't that a bitch?"
[00:03:15.847] [laughter]
[00:03:16.640] >> And married a British woman.
[00:03:19.440] >> Well, you got a wife, right? So, I don't
[00:03:21.280] want You got a girl, so I don't I don't
[00:03:22.959] want to Well, all love to her. All love
[00:03:26.319] to her. She might not be British, but
[00:03:27.920] she's yours.
[00:03:29.200] >> Yes. Yeah. I'm a good I'm a lucky guy.
[00:03:32.000] >> Nice. Nice. Um, so how did you get from
[00:03:35.840] B-52 crew chief? How did you get into
[00:03:38.400] intelligence?
[00:03:40.239] >> Um,
[00:03:41.840] well, the B-52 is an old aircraft. Um,
[00:03:46.560] it's almost it's getting up there. It's
[00:03:48.319] like 80 years old now. And what happened
[00:03:51.599] was um when you're working on the
[00:03:53.920] airplane, you're constantly solving new
[00:03:55.920] problems because the aircraft is
[00:04:00.640] um whereas now everything's modular. You
[00:04:03.200] just couple screws, whip it out, put the
[00:04:05.920] new one in, you go. B-52 is so old, just
[00:04:09.760] a panel to take out something is like 40
[00:04:14.159] 50 screws, you know? You're like,
[00:04:16.107] [clears throat]
[00:04:16.560] >> you know, so you always want to do
[00:04:18.079] things better. So, I started becoming a
[00:04:19.840] problem solver and but the problem was
[00:04:23.360] it was always so cold in Upper Michigan
[00:04:26.320] and I was like, "Hey, it's coming up
[00:04:28.800] time for me to reinlist. If y'all can't
[00:04:30.320] send me someplace warm, I'm out of
[00:04:32.880] here." And um I just happened to talk to
[00:04:37.520] a a senior ranking person. He goes, "I
[00:04:41.840] like you. You're a problem solver." He
[00:04:43.600] said, "Why don't you try Intel?" And I
[00:04:46.479] was like, "Is it warm?" because it's
[00:04:48.320] inside. I was like, I'll take it. And
[00:04:50.720] that was it. And um my first uh
[00:04:54.639] assignment was was Germany.
[00:04:57.680] So uh all source analyst.
[00:05:01.759] Did not know what I was getting into,
[00:05:04.320] but I was excited. And uh that's how I
[00:05:08.560] ended up in the in the all source career
[00:05:10.479] field. They asked me which one did I
[00:05:12.000] want, and I was like, why just be
[00:05:14.960] narrow-minded? Why not try everything if
[00:05:17.919] you don't know what you're getting into?
[00:05:19.199] And I figured later on if I if I needed
[00:05:21.520] to, I could sit there and go, you know,
[00:05:24.800] that one seems to be more fun. I'd like
[00:05:27.039] to take, you know, the sigant of the
[00:05:29.120] human job. But then I just said just
[00:05:31.919] give it give it all. Give me everything
[00:05:33.919] and let's see what happens.
[00:05:35.280] >> Yeah. No, that's that's that's awesome.
[00:05:37.199] And so for the viewers, can you describe
[00:05:39.120] what an what all source intel is?
[00:05:41.919] >> Everything is information is
[00:05:44.080] intelligence. everything, right? So, but
[00:05:47.280] in order to handle it, you have to break
[00:05:49.120] it up into smaller chunks. So, the main
[00:05:52.639] ones are human human intelligence like a
[00:05:55.199] spy. There's signals intelligence which
[00:05:58.000] we call sigant which is picking up RF
[00:06:00.639] signatures and whatever. There's imagery
[00:06:03.840] intelligence, you know, satellites,
[00:06:07.360] cameras, whatever. And then we have a a
[00:06:10.960] a category called mazant which is kind
[00:06:13.919] of like a catchall for all the others.
[00:06:16.479] But it could be financial intelligence.
[00:06:18.400] It could be medical intelligence. Like I
[00:06:21.919] remember we had a medical intelligence
[00:06:23.520] officer that was showing us he uh when
[00:06:25.919] we were going to the desert he showed us
[00:06:27.280] what a camel spider looks like you know
[00:06:29.120] and took it apart and everything. So my
[00:06:32.160] job as an all source analyst is
[00:06:35.199] each one of those ins if you call them
[00:06:38.400] would only give you part of the picture.
[00:06:41.039] So my job was to take all the different
[00:06:43.520] ins put them together so that they were
[00:06:47.199] they could tell you a very cohesive
[00:06:48.960] story about what is going on. So you
[00:06:51.919] know is that a fighter aircraft? Is that
[00:06:54.319] the regular fighter aircraft? Is that
[00:06:56.160] modified fighter aircraft? Hey, what
[00:06:58.400] does it have on its wings? Hey, we've
[00:06:59.919] never seen that missile before. Stuff
[00:07:02.080] like that. Or is there a signal coming
[00:07:04.800] off that aircraft that is different? So
[00:07:07.520] I would go to the second guy and go, so
[00:07:10.000] tell me about this signal. What's so
[00:07:11.520] crazy about it? He goes, "Well, it does
[00:07:12.880] this, does this, whatever." So then when
[00:07:15.360] I'm telling the pilot, I'm telling the
[00:07:17.120] pilot, "Hey, sir, you got to be careful
[00:07:19.120] of this guy because he's not an ordinary
[00:07:21.599] aircraft. He's got something special on
[00:07:24.000] it." Or or maybe it's that that aircraft
[00:07:27.520] does a unique tactic like the Fulcrrim
[00:07:30.160] was known for doing something like a
[00:07:31.840] Cobra S maneuver where it could go like
[00:07:34.240] this and then turn over again.
[00:07:36.960] >> So they would call it the Cobra S. So
[00:07:39.360] those are the things that you want to
[00:07:40.479] know. So the all source analyst would
[00:07:43.280] actually take the entire picture, bring
[00:07:45.120] it together and be able to tell his
[00:07:48.080] audience all the different facets of
[00:07:50.400] what's going on instead of just one
[00:07:51.759] aspect of it.
[00:07:53.199] >> Good. That's that clears it up for me.
[00:07:55.599] Um, so taking that your career be B-52
[00:08:00.240] crew chief moving into intelligence all
[00:08:03.120] source intelligence analyst as you just
[00:08:05.520] described. How does a an analyst like
[00:08:08.319] that get involved with the UAP task
[00:08:10.560] force? Can you describe that journey?
[00:08:12.565] [laughter]
[00:08:13.680] >> Yes. Um, that's a little different
[00:08:16.160] because Okay. So, so I seen
[00:08:22.080] UFOs and stuff like that when I was a
[00:08:23.919] kid, but I didn't know what they were.
[00:08:26.560] All the stuff kind of stuck in the back
[00:08:28.160] of my head, you know. Um, my first int
[00:08:31.360] intel assignment, I flew
[00:08:34.000] um from upper miss well from Michigan to
[00:08:37.120] Philadelphia, grabbed myself a couple
[00:08:39.519] cheese steaks and then flew to Germany.
[00:08:42.560] And believe it or not, that's when I saw
[00:08:44.880] the Calvine aircraft. the Scotland
[00:08:47.440] incident in 1990, right?
[00:08:49.279] >> But I didn't know what it was. All
[00:08:50.640] right. I'm coming down between um
[00:08:53.920] Iceland and Scotland as we're going
[00:08:56.320] towards Germany to Frankfurt and all of
[00:08:58.320] a sudden I look out the window cuz I'm
[00:09:00.080] eating my cheese steak. Sun is coming up
[00:09:03.120] and there's this thing out there
[00:09:05.279] zigzagging in the clouds and stuff. I'm
[00:09:07.680] like, "What the hell is that?" And then
[00:09:09.600] all of a sudden I'm like, "Ooh, ooh, I'm
[00:09:12.800] going to my new Intel assignment. I'm
[00:09:15.519] gonna get right in on some super cool
[00:09:18.000] stuff, you know.
[00:09:20.160] >> You thought it was ours maybe, huh?
[00:09:22.240] >> Yeah. So, I'm like, just Oh, you know,
[00:09:25.519] oh no. Oh, no, sir. Don't don't worry
[00:09:27.279] about it. It's just nothing. You know,
[00:09:29.200] and cuz I had already asked the guy
[00:09:30.880] beside me and the other guys like, do
[00:09:32.560] you see that? And they're like, yeah,
[00:09:33.920] what is that? So, I get to my unit and I
[00:09:38.800] wait a little bit and finally I'm like,
[00:09:42.560] I haven't heard anything. So finally I
[00:09:44.480] go, "So we're F-15s.
[00:09:48.640] What about that weird one?" And they're
[00:09:50.480] like, "What weird one?" And I describe
[00:09:52.560] it to everybody and nobody knows what
[00:09:54.080] I'm talking about.
[00:09:55.440] >> Now the weird thing, two [clears throat]
[00:09:57.519] weird things.
[00:09:59.600] This was at the end of the Belgian wave,
[00:10:02.480] >> right?
[00:10:02.880] >> Or Belgian flap. So I didn't know what
[00:10:04.480] that was cuz it was January of 1990.
[00:10:09.040] So the the Calvine picture that he's
[00:10:12.000] seen is in August of 1990
[00:10:15.200] and I saw it in January of 1990.
[00:10:19.360] So didn't put the didn't put the picture
[00:10:21.279] together until [clears throat]
[00:10:24.160] I did the movie the program.
[00:10:27.360] And James Fox said, "Hey Logan, I am so
[00:10:30.959] sorry." He said, "You've only seen your
[00:10:33.760] part of the movie. I want to show you
[00:10:36.160] the rest of it." So he sent me this file
[00:10:39.287] [clears throat] with everything, excuse
[00:10:41.360] me, with everything in it.
[00:10:44.399] And all of a sudden, I come across the
[00:10:46.560] Calvine picture and I'm like calling him
[00:10:49.519] right back up. Hey, James, tell me about
[00:10:52.160] this picture. And he's like, "What are
[00:10:53.120] you talking?" I said, "I seen that. I
[00:10:54.320] seen that." And he's like, "What? No,
[00:10:56.320] you you couldn't, Dude, I that's the one
[00:10:58.560] I saw." And when I told him about it,
[00:11:00.880] the date and everything, he's like, "Oh
[00:11:02.800] crap." He said he said, "Did you read
[00:11:04.880] the rest of the the story?" I was like,
[00:11:06.480] "No, I was so excited I called you." He
[00:11:08.480] goes, "Watch the rest of it." And then I
[00:11:11.200] found out, you know, the rest of the
[00:11:12.560] story about the guys that were
[00:11:13.760] threatened and all that other stuff.
[00:11:15.680] >> But I didn't know all that.
[00:11:17.277] [clears throat] I didn't know about the
[00:11:18.079] Belgian way. But there was so many
[00:11:19.839] things I didn't know. But when I was a
[00:11:21.839] kid,
[00:11:23.519] I I saw something that looks like a um
[00:11:28.880] that looked like an iron.
[00:11:31.519] >> Like that you iron with clothes with.
[00:11:33.680] >> Yeah. I've got a picture of it here. I
[00:11:35.600] I'll have to send it to you. But um
[00:11:38.238] [clears throat] but what was funny was I
[00:11:40.320] was at the uh
[00:11:42.880] Scientific Coalition of UFOs about four
[00:11:45.200] years ago and um one of my friends
[00:11:48.720] there, his name is uh Dave Burr. He's
[00:11:52.320] got a book out called The Lies Above.
[00:11:55.600] Um he's talking about Arrow and all the
[00:11:58.720] mistakes they made. But um he said,
[00:12:01.279] "Let's go into this bookstore and just
[00:12:03.279] talk for a little while because we were
[00:12:05.360] taking a break." And we went in there
[00:12:06.880] and we saw a magazine that said UFO
[00:12:10.320] magazine. So we're like, "He's buying
[00:12:13.440] one." And I'm like, "Dude, what could a
[00:12:16.320] magazine tell you that you already
[00:12:18.193] [laughter]
[00:12:18.880] don't know, you know?" And he was like,
[00:12:21.920] "Yeah, but you never know." So I was
[00:12:24.399] like, "True, you never know." So we get
[00:12:27.680] it. And that night I'm looking at it and
[00:12:30.959] lo and behold it's showing the typical
[00:12:33.600] pictures of a UFO and it says these are
[00:12:36.320] some of the unusual ones and there was
[00:12:39.200] my my UFO. So it's been 3 years now. I
[00:12:43.360] wrote to the um
[00:12:46.560] I wrote to the editor of that magazine
[00:12:48.560] but they didn't reply back. I just
[00:12:50.639] wanted to know where did they see this
[00:12:52.880] UFO.
[00:12:54.480] Um, [clears throat] so I've recently
[00:12:56.880] asked Ross Kolhart if he could help me.
[00:12:59.040] So he said he was going to try and take
[00:13:00.480] a look. But I have never seen that UFO
[00:13:03.839] in any pictures, any books until I
[00:13:06.959] popped it up in this magazine and it all
[00:13:09.360] it said was this is one of the more
[00:13:11.040] unusual ones. But it looked like an iron
[00:13:12.959] that you iron your clothes with. The
[00:13:14.480] whole bottom part was glowing and the
[00:13:16.880] top part was just gray and it was
[00:13:18.560] sitting there when I was a kid in
[00:13:20.720] England in Nottingham. And um me and a
[00:13:23.519] friend were throwing uh a softball at
[00:13:26.800] each other and you know back in the old
[00:13:30.000] days when people used to throw their
[00:13:31.760] sneakers around the telephone wires.
[00:13:33.519] >> Yeah.
[00:13:34.399] >> All right. So, I looked up, there's some
[00:13:37.040] sneakers around the telephone wire, but
[00:13:39.519] then way off in the distance, there's
[00:13:41.279] this thing just sitting there glowing.
[00:13:43.920] And I'm like, "Dude, what is that?" And
[00:13:48.320] he goes,
[00:13:50.399] "It's a helicopter." I was like, "I
[00:13:53.839] don't hear anything."
[00:13:55.760] And we're just sitting there looking at
[00:13:57.199] it. And then next thing you know, we
[00:13:59.600] hear what was then um F4 Phantom jets.
[00:14:05.519] I mean, you can't mistake those things
[00:14:07.040] as loud as they are. And you know,
[00:14:10.800] they come screaming in and this thing
[00:14:12.880] just just takes off. And I distinctly
[00:14:16.320] remember us going into the my friend's
[00:14:18.639] house, us telling his mom and his mom
[00:14:22.079] telling us to be quiet and eat because
[00:14:23.839] we've got too much imagination. and but
[00:14:26.880] it's stuck in my head, all these little
[00:14:28.720] things.
[00:14:30.000] >> So, to close the loop, um my wife said,
[00:14:35.040] "What are you going to do when you grow
[00:14:36.480] up?" And I was like, I said, "This is
[00:14:40.639] going to sound weird, but I really want
[00:14:43.360] to know what those things are flying
[00:14:44.720] around."
[00:14:46.399] And she goes, "What things?" And I tell
[00:14:48.160] her about UFOs. And she goes, "Okay,
[00:14:51.279] you've done some really, really crazy
[00:14:53.680] stuff for the government. I don't see
[00:14:55.440] why this would be any different. Go for
[00:14:57.360] it.
[00:14:59.440] And then um shortly after
[00:15:03.120] um the article came out with Lou in the
[00:15:06.560] New York Times and I said um
[00:15:12.720] hm. [clears throat] And my wife looked
[00:15:14.079] at me, she goes, "If you don't go find
[00:15:16.399] that guy,
[00:15:18.240] you're going to regret it."
[00:15:21.040] And so I found him and I said, do you
[00:15:24.959] believe all that stuff you spouted in
[00:15:26.560] the paper? Cuz I was really curious. And
[00:15:29.360] he goes, "Yeah." I said, "Well, I'm a
[00:15:32.399] problem solver and I think I can help
[00:15:34.320] you with your problem." It was me
[00:15:36.000] boasting a little bit there, you know,
[00:15:38.160] >> little bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra
[00:15:38.800] bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra
[00:15:38.800] bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra
[00:15:38.880] bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra
[00:15:38.880] bra bra bravado and I said I think I can
[00:15:40.959] solve your problem. Um and he goes okay.
[00:15:45.120] I said if if you can get to me and I
[00:15:47.680] told him where I worked it's classified
[00:15:49.519] so I can't mention where I worked. I
[00:15:51.199] just told him, I said, "If you can get
[00:15:52.639] where I work,
[00:15:55.040] we're off to the races." And about a
[00:15:57.519] week later, I'm working and I hear I'm
[00:16:00.480] looking for Mr. Logan. I was like, "Who
[00:16:03.440] the hell's looking for me?" And it's
[00:16:04.880] him. And but this time it's him, Jay
[00:16:08.320] Stratton, Chris Melon, and an entourage
[00:16:12.160] of other guys, like five other guys. And
[00:16:14.800] they're like, "Yeah, we're here to talk
[00:16:16.000] about our stuff." So, I tell my people,
[00:16:18.560] I wasn't in charge of it, just my peers,
[00:16:20.720] but I told at least my supervisor above.
[00:16:22.880] We all go into a room and they lay out
[00:16:25.759] what the problem is. And [clears throat]
[00:16:29.440] at one point they put out some pictures
[00:16:31.120] and I said,
[00:16:34.000] "Real, fake, fake, real, real, real."
[00:16:37.120] And then I pulled out one and the I said
[00:16:39.920] I said, "This one is a new one. It's
[00:16:42.160] it's it's uh it's real." And if I
[00:16:46.240] remember correctly, I think it was J
[00:16:47.519] Stratton that said, "Son of a
[00:16:50.399] they lied to us." And someone had told
[00:16:53.199] him that it was
[00:16:55.279] something
[00:16:56.880] mundane.
[00:16:58.560] And I was like, "Hey, I can prove it."
[00:17:00.399] And I showed them how I could prove it.
[00:17:02.079] Can't explain that, but I showed them
[00:17:03.920] how I could prove it. And they just kind
[00:17:06.240] of nodded their head. And I was like,
[00:17:07.439] "Okay, well, it's nice having you
[00:17:10.400] gentlemen visit us." And they're walking
[00:17:13.039] out and Jay Stratton
[00:17:16.720] leans over to Lou and says something and
[00:17:21.839] Lou turns right back around, comes right
[00:17:23.679] up to my face and says, "You're in." And
[00:17:26.880] I was like, "In what?" And he goes,
[00:17:28.400] "You'll see." And that was it.
[00:17:31.287] [laughter]
[00:17:32.080] >> Uh, a couple things about that. And for
[00:17:34.480] people that um don't know uh I I place
[00:17:40.160] security cleared people and
[00:17:43.600] uh have to help them on board to get
[00:17:45.520] their clearances and get their badges
[00:17:47.039] and get their PIV cards and get their
[00:17:48.960] governmentissued laptops and um
[00:17:51.840] >> Yeah. You know the deal.
[00:17:53.200] >> Yeah. So when Logan's working at and he
[00:17:58.000] can't say cuz it's classified, but on in
[00:18:00.000] a at a classified facility,
[00:18:02.880] you don't just go to the front desk and
[00:18:04.400] say, "Uh, we're here to see Mr. Logan,"
[00:18:06.160] and they let you in. You've got to be
[00:18:08.799] cleared, right? And so that was that was
[00:18:11.280] your first litmus test is if you guys
[00:18:13.039] can get to where I'm at at
[00:18:15.440] >> 100%.
[00:18:16.240] >> Yeah. then then I know you've got the
[00:18:17.919] clearances to back up uh some of this
[00:18:21.039] stuff you're talking about. Then we can
[00:18:22.400] talk and then when they laid it out, you
[00:18:25.600] clearly must have demonstrated to him
[00:18:27.039] that okay, he's he he knows his stuff.
[00:18:30.320] >> So I I I feel I got lucky. But you the
[00:18:32.880] way you explained it was perfect. It was
[00:18:35.760] it was my litmus test to say are you
[00:18:39.039] guys really on the up and up? because
[00:18:41.360] you know you you hear stuff, rumors,
[00:18:43.919] conspiracy theories, whatever, you know,
[00:18:46.799] and so they came in and sat down. I
[00:18:50.480] mean, it was Jay Stratton right across
[00:18:53.039] the table from me, Lou, Chris Melon,
[00:18:55.919] their entourage, and all my guys on the
[00:18:58.000] other side of the room with me. And
[00:18:59.440] we're like, okay. And
[00:19:03.600] we're off to the races. It was like, you
[00:19:06.480] know, I think we sat there for like
[00:19:10.000] an hour and a half. And I distinctly
[00:19:12.160] remember after L said that, I was like,
[00:19:15.360] uh, um, after he said he said, "You're
[00:19:17.520] in." I was like, "You know, in you'll
[00:19:19.840] see." I was like, "Uh, uh, uh, hold on.
[00:19:22.400] you got to talk to my big boss because
[00:19:24.880] I'm figuring
[00:19:27.280] >> if this is as big as they're letting it
[00:19:30.720] on to be,
[00:19:32.080] >> you know, cuz they're talking the CNO of
[00:19:34.320] the Navy and all this other stuff.
[00:19:36.240] >> I'm thinking I can't just jump into this
[00:19:38.480] without my bo my big boss knowing this.
[00:19:41.200] And even my supervisor even said so. So
[00:19:43.440] I'm like I went up to my supervisor, the
[00:19:46.080] big the big boss I should say. And I
[00:19:48.720] said, "Sir,
[00:19:50.640] the Navy has a problem." And he says,
[00:19:53.200] "Ah, Logan, you always bring me the cool
[00:19:55.280] You know, you're you're you're
[00:19:56.799] always got these weird little things
[00:19:58.240] you're on." I was like, "Uh, this one's
[00:20:00.480] a little different, sir." And I tell him
[00:20:03.120] the subject, and he goes,
[00:20:05.600] "I don't believe this stuff, Logan." But
[00:20:07.440] he said, "You know what? I'll give them
[00:20:10.000] an hour. So, I invite them back. They
[00:20:13.440] come, they brief.
[00:20:16.559] Now, all the leadership at my big boss's
[00:20:19.120] level, they show up because they heard
[00:20:20.799] there's an interesting brief show going
[00:20:22.640] on.
[00:20:23.840] >> And uh I remember
[00:20:26.880] um we that one-hour talk lasted like
[00:20:30.480] three or eight hours.
[00:20:33.360] And then my boss looked at them and
[00:20:35.679] said, "Gentlemen," he says, "I'm very
[00:20:38.320] curious about this." And he said, "But I
[00:20:41.039] know some other people in high up
[00:20:42.960] places, and if they don't know if if if
[00:20:46.000] they're if they don't if you're not
[00:20:49.840] connected to them, then I know this is
[00:20:52.640] hogwash." And then he said, "Come with
[00:20:55.280] me to my office." And I went back to my
[00:20:57.280] regular office. And then like I think
[00:21:01.120] about an hour maybe an hour and a half
[00:21:03.360] went by and my immediate supervisor
[00:21:06.480] shows back up and said, "You are cleared
[00:21:09.600] hot to give them as much support as you
[00:21:11.280] can."
[00:21:12.880] And that was it. So that means whatever
[00:21:15.760] names they dropped,
[00:21:18.320] my boss knew who those people were and
[00:21:20.720] they were serious. So we were off to the
[00:21:23.840] races. And I just I do want to caveat
[00:21:25.760] something real quick, James.
[00:21:28.720] A lot of people are like, you know, all
[00:21:30.240] over the place, you know, we need to
[00:21:31.520] know the truth or whatever.
[00:21:33.679] The UAP task force was never for the
[00:21:37.840] public.
[00:21:39.679] It was there to answer the questions
[00:21:41.760] that the pilots wanted,
[00:21:44.159] >> right?
[00:21:45.039] >> Because the pilots were getting scared
[00:21:47.440] shitless that
[00:21:50.159] a safety problem was going to happen, a
[00:21:52.159] safety mishap. They're going to crash
[00:21:55.840] and all you're going to hear is pilot
[00:21:58.240] error, but you're not going to hear
[00:21:59.360] about the other thing that was on the
[00:22:00.640] range. So, all they did, they got slick
[00:22:04.000] cuz they kept asking the questions,
[00:22:06.480] trying to tell anybody, hey, there's
[00:22:07.760] something out on the range. There's
[00:22:08.559] something out on the range. They're not
[00:22:10.159] getting the attention they needed. So,
[00:22:12.240] what they did was they filed a safety
[00:22:14.320] report. And every day because it was
[00:22:16.559] there every day, they just kept filing
[00:22:19.600] safety report after safety report after
[00:22:21.600] safety report until it got all the way
[00:22:23.840] up to the very very top of the Navy. And
[00:22:26.799] then he was like, "Authorized um
[00:22:31.120] Stratton, if I remember the story
[00:22:32.799] correctly, that's when he authorized
[00:22:34.400] Stratton to put the UAP task force
[00:22:36.080] together." We didn't have any money,
[00:22:38.960] but Stratton,
[00:22:42.000] he's a crafty guy. he's he's awesome.
[00:22:44.799] You know, it was, you know, leverage
[00:22:46.480] those relationships. Let's figure it
[00:22:48.159] out. And so that's what we did. And
[00:22:51.919] that's pretty much how we got started.
[00:22:53.679] >> Yeah. And so again, just for context, so
[00:22:57.679] this was a Navy problem, Navy pilot
[00:22:59.679] problem. And the Navy pilot problem that
[00:23:02.159] everybody first got a win wind of was
[00:23:04.240] when Christopher Melon uh secured some
[00:23:07.360] of the tapes from the Navy cockpits. And
[00:23:09.760] we rolled those out in the New York
[00:23:11.360] Times article. And that problem was
[00:23:14.640] meant to be solved uh by they put
[00:23:18.320] together a task force to help the Navy
[00:23:20.159] solve that problem. Not to say uh Joe
[00:23:24.240] Joe Q citizen here's what's going on.
[00:23:26.880] Here's disclosure. Now it's turned into
[00:23:29.039] something else. But that was the the
[00:23:31.520] problem to solve was an internal Navy
[00:23:34.240] intelligence problem and a problem that
[00:23:36.640] wasn't getting any attention. even
[00:23:38.799] though pilots were reporting things out
[00:23:41.440] in the range daily, weekly, monthly.
[00:23:45.280] >> So, let let's let's let's pivot from
[00:23:47.440] there. When when you come on board, was
[00:23:51.200] there a couple of cases uh and I I think
[00:23:54.240] I know where you're going to go with it
[00:23:55.360] that prompted that. Was it the Catalina
[00:23:57.280] Island training cases and then off the
[00:23:59.919] coast of Virginia?
[00:24:01.840] Well, I um I didn't know about the US
[00:24:04.640] NIMTs yet, but um
[00:24:08.240] Catalina Island, V um Virginia Beach,
[00:24:12.640] and all down the all down the east coast
[00:24:15.039] down towards Jacksonville, Florida. And
[00:24:17.360] then there was stuff in Pensacola,
[00:24:19.840] but most of the stuff
[00:24:22.960] um was directly overseas.
[00:24:26.559] Um, we
[00:24:29.200] some people won't understand this and
[00:24:30.559] they'll say, "Oh, you're lying." and
[00:24:31.919] whatever. But so be it. Um, there is an
[00:24:35.440] executive order that says intel guys
[00:24:38.000] cannot look at US citizens. All right?
[00:24:41.120] We're not allowed to use US government
[00:24:43.919] material, satellites,
[00:24:47.039] cameras, any type of government thing.
[00:24:50.559] There's an executive order 123 that says
[00:24:53.760] we can't do that. So what has to happen
[00:24:56.880] is another part of the intelligence
[00:24:59.039] community like the FBI
[00:25:02.240] has to say, "Hey, something happened
[00:25:04.960] over
[00:25:07.200] over this this
[00:25:09.520] DOE energy facility. Here's the
[00:25:12.000] information." And now we could take the
[00:25:14.080] information then and compare it. But we
[00:25:16.400] weren't allowed to do the investigation.
[00:25:18.320] If it was something overseas, we can.
[00:25:21.520] >> Okay? cuz that's what intelligence is
[00:25:23.200] for, you know, but but state side um if
[00:25:28.132] [clears throat] if it was involving the
[00:25:30.799] US military and and if it was overseas,
[00:25:35.279] we could jump all over it. So,
[00:25:38.559] um Mr. Stratton had built a nice
[00:25:40.880] relationship with the FBI
[00:25:43.440] and so they would call us and go, "Hey
[00:25:45.360] guys, we got something for you. Hey,
[00:25:47.600] take a look at this." And then we would
[00:25:49.840] talk to other people overseas and they
[00:25:52.080] were I mean it got to the point where I
[00:25:54.080] was known as you know Logan at the weird
[00:25:56.159] desk you know and um because I'm
[00:26:00.480] remember I told you I'm an all source
[00:26:02.320] analyst.
[00:26:02.880] >> Yeah.
[00:26:03.840] >> I would go I would have imagery or video
[00:26:07.600] and I would take that video to my video
[00:26:10.400] and imagery experts. All right. And I
[00:26:14.559] still remember the first time I came in
[00:26:18.320] and there I said, "Here's what I want
[00:26:20.400] you to look at." I said, "I want you
[00:26:22.400] to," it was a video. I said, "I want you
[00:26:24.080] to slow this down. I want you to speed
[00:26:26.320] it up. I want you to change the
[00:26:28.320] contrast. I want you to do anything
[00:26:30.080] possible so I can figure out what the
[00:26:32.159] hell I'm looking at." Right? And the guy
[00:26:35.039] says, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. I got
[00:26:36.640] it." And about two hours later, he's
[00:26:38.880] like, "What the hell do you have me
[00:26:40.880] looking at?" And I I go I said I said I
[00:26:45.520] understand. I I'll be there. And I go
[00:26:48.799] there. There's like 10 people in his
[00:26:52.880] office all looking over his shoulder all
[00:26:55.600] trying to guess what this thing is,
[00:26:57.279] right? And then
[00:27:00.559] the next time I show up at the office,
[00:27:03.679] they all pulled out aluminum hats and
[00:27:05.840] cued the X Files music. You know, I was
[00:27:08.640] like I was like you you mothers. I said
[00:27:12.320] I said, "What you got for me?" And but
[00:27:15.120] after the third or fourth time, man,
[00:27:17.520] everybody was [snorts]
[00:27:20.000] helping me try to figure out what the
[00:27:21.520] hell we were looking at. We we just
[00:27:25.360] these things were defying logic, the way
[00:27:28.480] they were moving,
[00:27:30.400] and
[00:27:31.919] we, you know, we've we've got guys that
[00:27:34.080] have been around the block a few times,
[00:27:35.760] you know. Um I I I um I distinctly
[00:27:40.080] remember I was going to lunch in the
[00:27:42.640] building that I was in
[00:27:44.960] and three guys were walking in the
[00:27:47.679] opposite direction and all I heard was,
[00:27:50.880] "That's him. That's him." I was like,
[00:27:54.080] "Oh shit." And they looked at me, I
[00:27:57.679] looked at them, and they said, "Are you
[00:27:59.840] Logan?" I go, "Yes." And they said, "Can
[00:28:01.919] we talk to you?" I said, "About what?"
[00:28:04.399] They said, "The weird stuff." I was
[00:28:06.960] like, "Okay, let's turn turn back
[00:28:09.039] around. Let's go back to my office.
[00:28:10.880] Didn't even make it to my office, man.
[00:28:12.480] They dragged me into a broom closet. And
[00:28:15.360] they were serious. They're like, "What
[00:28:16.880] the is going on?" And I'm like, "What
[00:28:19.440] are you talking about?" They said,
[00:28:20.480] "You're just talking about this all
[00:28:22.240] willy-nilly like it's fine." And I said,
[00:28:24.080] "It is." And I had to explain to them
[00:28:26.480] the range filer program. You know,
[00:28:28.640] that's what we were calling it at the
[00:28:30.000] time. You know, the unofficial name was
[00:28:32.799] Range Fowler because we had people
[00:28:34.320] filling out a a range Fowler report.
[00:28:38.720] And the idea was, you know, what did you
[00:28:40.559] see? How did you see it? How many were
[00:28:42.320] there? You know, the breakdown.
[00:28:45.200] And the guy looked at me and said, and
[00:28:47.760] so two of them were active duty,
[00:28:51.360] one guy was civilian, but he was Navy
[00:28:54.640] also. And he said, "Logan,"
[00:28:57.679] he says, "these, we've seen these things
[00:29:00.320] for over 30 years,
[00:29:02.240] >> and when we ask questions about them,
[00:29:04.320] people lost their jobs. So, what all of
[00:29:06.399] a sudden is bringing this on that you
[00:29:08.399] feel you can just kind of blah, you
[00:29:11.039] know?" And I'm like, "Let me explain the
[00:29:13.360] program, sir. Here's what's going on
[00:29:15.039] down at Virginia Beach. Here's what's
[00:29:16.960] going on here." And he was pretty much
[00:29:19.360] saying the same thing as Ryan Graves. He
[00:29:21.520] was like, "Logan," he said, "We saw them
[00:29:24.799] off the coast of Venia Beach. Um, NAS
[00:29:28.480] Oceanana was where he was stationed at,
[00:29:30.240] the guy was telling me, and he said, he
[00:29:32.799] said, um, an aircraft carrier came to
[00:29:35.600] pick him up or whatever. I'm not sure if
[00:29:38.880] it comes all the way there or if it
[00:29:41.600] stays off quite a ways and they just fly
[00:29:43.360] out to it, but they had to go to the
[00:29:45.600] Middle East." And he said, "We got on
[00:29:48.399] this aircraft carrier and we started
[00:29:51.120] heading towards the Middle East." He
[00:29:52.399] said, "Logan, every night it was there,
[00:29:56.159] just watching us." He said, "We got into
[00:29:58.799] the Middle East. We're doing all our
[00:30:00.799] stuff. It was watching us." He said, "6
[00:30:04.159] months later, we're coming home. It's
[00:30:06.720] watching us." And we were told not to
[00:30:08.320] talk about it. He said, "But the problem
[00:30:10.799] is is when you're doing a maneuver, you
[00:30:13.039] come out, you see it over there." You're
[00:30:15.039] like, "Okay, they're here again. We're
[00:30:17.440] going over here. So, you go over there
[00:30:20.080] and then you're doing your dissimilar
[00:30:22.159] maneuvers and whatever." You know, we
[00:30:24.080] like the pilots like to shoot their
[00:30:25.840] hands,
[00:30:27.360] you know, they're doing their dissimilar
[00:30:29.919] maneuvers and he said, "You come out of
[00:30:31.360] maneuver and the thing would be right
[00:30:33.279] there next to you and you're like,
[00:30:34.240] whoa." And he's like, "We got so scared
[00:30:36.960] that we're going to have this accident."
[00:30:38.559] So he said, "I understand why the why
[00:30:42.000] the pilots did their um filed a safety
[00:30:46.240] report." And in fact,
[00:30:48.880] um the task force had two pilots of its
[00:30:51.200] own and um we went down to Oceanana and
[00:30:56.080] I remember them coming back and saying,
[00:30:58.080] "Hey, Logan,
[00:31:01.120] it's crazy." I said, "What happened?"
[00:31:02.799] And he said, "Um,
[00:31:04.799] we went down there to talk to them about
[00:31:07.279] this these things. And he said while he
[00:31:11.279] was there, the some guy comes in, just
[00:31:14.320] finished flying. He goes, "Hey, it's out
[00:31:17.279] there right now.
[00:31:18.720] >> What what do you it's it's literally out
[00:31:21.279] there right now." And we we kind of
[00:31:23.279] timed it and we assessed our best
[00:31:26.559] assessment was that from the time the
[00:31:29.520] pilot started flying like around 6:00 in
[00:31:31.919] the morning till around the time they
[00:31:34.880] stopped flying at midnight
[00:31:38.720] it was there rock steady not moving. So
[00:31:42.720] there's station keeping time 18 hours
[00:31:45.440] plus something
[00:31:47.440] >> and it's just sitting there and and you
[00:31:50.000] would try to get close to it
[00:31:52.000] deliberately and my understanding it
[00:31:54.000] would move away and but then when you're
[00:31:56.799] doing your maneuvers all of a sudden
[00:31:58.000] it's in close and you're coming out and
[00:31:59.360] you're zipping right by it and the
[00:32:02.080] pilots would get frustrated because you
[00:32:04.640] know this thing would play with them. It
[00:32:06.640] would be like you're flying along and
[00:32:09.760] then it would come from behind you, come
[00:32:12.240] next to you and kind of hit, you know,
[00:32:14.080] the cardinal points underneath you
[00:32:15.547] [laughter] around you and then they
[00:32:16.960] would take off past you and the pilots
[00:32:19.120] were like, "Oh, no you don't." And
[00:32:20.799] they're going into afterburner and this
[00:32:23.120] thing would let them catch up and then
[00:32:25.600] as soon as they thought they were good
[00:32:26.880] and they were going to put it in their
[00:32:28.080] radar so they could sink out and get
[00:32:29.760] everything, this thing would just go be
[00:32:32.080] gone.
[00:32:33.120] >> Just gone, gone. So very frustrated
[00:32:35.840] pilots.
[00:32:37.200] >> Um did you find
[00:32:40.080] with like some of the examples you just
[00:32:42.799] gave the type of craft was there a
[00:32:46.480] predominant type of craft that was uh
[00:32:49.039] you know like a a sphere or or did these
[00:32:51.919] craft vary?
[00:32:54.640] >> They varied but the ones I saw the most
[00:32:57.440] of
[00:32:59.760] um was the orbs or whatever. You
[00:33:03.039] couldn't see them with regular cameras,
[00:33:04.880] but once you switched to IR,
[00:33:07.679] you saw see this like
[00:33:10.640] ball of fire
[00:33:13.120] just moving. And
[00:33:16.320] you know, again, this is why I try to
[00:33:18.640] I'm glad I became an all analyst. And
[00:33:21.679] the reason why I say that is because
[00:33:24.720] if you just went by the video or the
[00:33:27.039] image alone, you wouldn't know the rest
[00:33:30.080] of the story.
[00:33:32.159] You know, I I I called people up and I
[00:33:34.960] was like, "Dude, you're the one that did
[00:33:37.120] the video or you and your team did the
[00:33:39.679] video. Can I talk to you guys?" And
[00:33:41.519] they're like, "Yes." And then you're
[00:33:42.880] talking to them and they're like, "Well,
[00:33:46.720] you didn't see what it was doing
[00:33:48.080] before." And I was like, "What?" And
[00:33:49.760] they're like, "It was dancing on the top
[00:33:51.440] of the ocean waves and it was doing all
[00:33:52.960] this funky stuff." And then I said,
[00:33:55.519] "What?" He goes, "Yeah." And he said, he
[00:33:58.559] said, "The moment we put the camera on
[00:34:00.320] it, it started flying normal."
[00:34:03.679] He's like, "We don't know how they knew
[00:34:05.600] that we put the camera on it, but the
[00:34:08.159] moment we put the camera on it, it just
[00:34:09.839] started it was doing all this weird
[00:34:11.359] stuff. Then it just started cruising."
[00:34:15.839] So I was like, "Okay." And then what did
[00:34:18.399] it do? He said nothing, but you if you
[00:34:21.760] just look at it, it's an orb. There's no
[00:34:23.760] wings on that thing. There's no engine.
[00:34:26.000] There's no nothing. What do you think it
[00:34:27.839] is, Mr. Logan? And then you start trying
[00:34:30.000] to play devil's advocate.
[00:34:33.200] And that's when the emotion comes out
[00:34:35.520] because they're pissed because you're
[00:34:37.119] questioning their integrity.
[00:34:39.119] >> You didn't see how it did this, Mr. Lo.
[00:34:41.200] You didn't see how it did that. And
[00:34:42.560] like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Calm
[00:34:44.480] down. I got to ask questions so that I
[00:34:48.000] understand. And I got to put it in a
[00:34:49.200] frame of reference. I got And you can
[00:34:50.879] see as they're recalling it, the stress
[00:34:55.440] going across their faces, you know,
[00:34:57.839] because they're looking at something
[00:35:00.079] they don't understand, you know, and
[00:35:03.440] they want to make sense of it, but it
[00:35:06.320] wasn't going there. So, it was it was
[00:35:09.040] just it was one of the more interesting
[00:35:12.000] jobs I've had.
[00:35:13.040] >> Yeah, I'd say so. [laughter]
[00:35:15.839] more interesting job that anybody's ever
[00:35:17.839] had.
[00:35:18.880] >> Yeah, I got I just got lucky. I just got
[00:35:20.880] lucky.
[00:35:21.359] >> Yeah. No, timing is everything, man.
[00:35:23.280] Timing is everything. Um,
[00:35:25.499] [clears throat]
[00:35:27.040] what's some of the What's some of the
[00:35:28.560] craziest stuff you saw on video
[00:35:31.394] [cough]
[00:35:32.049] [clears throat]
[00:35:32.400] >> um that I can talk about? There's
[00:35:35.680] there's just two that I can talk about
[00:35:37.280] and there's really it's because Lu
[00:35:39.839] Alzando talked about them. Um,
[00:35:44.240] so
[00:35:46.880] there's
[00:35:48.400] a couple orbs that we watched. I mean,
[00:35:52.000] they couldn't even been
[00:35:56.320] bigger than a football
[00:35:59.119] and they're just going and going.
[00:36:00.800] They're like the Energizer Bunny. They
[00:36:02.400] just keep going. You know, you're
[00:36:04.160] counting the hours as they go by. And I
[00:36:06.560] was like I was like, "Dude, we've been
[00:36:08.320] watching this thing now for almost three
[00:36:09.680] hours." Uh,
[00:36:12.079] how long you guys been watching this?
[00:36:14.800] 3 hours. I was like, "So, this thing's
[00:36:16.800] been going for 6 hours?"
[00:36:19.040] Yeah.
[00:36:20.720] Where the is the energy coming from when
[00:36:23.440] it's that small? And you would see it
[00:36:27.200] do things like it would fly over
[00:36:30.000] people's heads.
[00:36:32.400] And so, it's in So, imagine this.
[00:36:36.240] [clears throat]
[00:36:37.440] It's o dark 30.
[00:36:40.880] There's a guy walking outside because
[00:36:43.040] his dog is barking.
[00:36:45.359] All right.
[00:36:46.880] And you can see the flashlight moving.
[00:36:50.800] And at no time when this thing goes over
[00:36:54.000] the top of the guy's head does he ever
[00:36:56.079] stop and go, "Oh, what was that?"
[00:36:59.280] It's quiet. You know, it's just that
[00:37:03.760] quiet. And you watch it go and it you
[00:37:06.560] watch it come to
[00:37:08.960] some kind of obstacle and it just kind
[00:37:11.440] of smoothly goes up over and comes right
[00:37:15.440] down the other side. And sometimes it
[00:37:17.200] just look like a balloon, you know, with
[00:37:19.359] some kind of string hanging off it or
[00:37:20.960] something. So that's what we were like.
[00:37:22.960] We're like, and that's a balloon. That's
[00:37:24.720] a balloon. Yeah, that's got to be a
[00:37:26.480] balloon. Yeah. Yeah, that Yeah, that's a
[00:37:28.720] balloon. And then when you see it do
[00:37:30.000] some maneuver, you're like, okay, that
[00:37:31.359] can't be a balloon. Yeah. So, you're
[00:37:34.480] you're trying to pull out
[00:37:37.520] all the different examples in your head
[00:37:39.440] that you can think of to match this
[00:37:41.280] thing and it's not matching anything.
[00:37:43.680] And then the other one that I saw, and I
[00:37:46.400] can't tell you where I saw it in
[00:37:47.680] anything, but Lou talks about it and he
[00:37:49.839] doesn't mention it either, but
[00:37:53.440] there was a this was a a full color
[00:37:58.480] 4K
[00:38:00.560] video. Um
[00:38:03.440] and we were looking at an oil rig
[00:38:07.920] and um
[00:38:10.800] we were watching the guy. He's he's got
[00:38:13.040] the it's from a something overhead, an
[00:38:15.440] airborne something airborne and he's
[00:38:17.599] just panning the sky looking down at the
[00:38:19.760] ground over the water, whatever.
[00:38:23.006] [clears throat] And
[00:38:24.640] he goes past an oil rig, but then all of
[00:38:27.520] a sudden he jumps back and you're like,
[00:38:29.200] "What? What the hell was that? And now
[00:38:31.760] he's looking at this disc,
[00:38:34.560] a perfect shaped disc in the water.
[00:38:39.119] And it's got to be about maybe it's not
[00:38:42.000] breaking the waves, but it's got to be
[00:38:44.640] about
[00:38:48.320] maybe
[00:38:50.079] 5 to 10 ft deep in the water, but it's
[00:38:53.599] just cruising. It's cruising.
[00:38:56.800] And so we're like, "Wa, that's unusual.
[00:39:00.160] Look at the shape. It's like a perfect
[00:39:01.599] sphere or or I shouldn't say sphere. It
[00:39:04.480] looks like a flat pancake from the
[00:39:06.400] position we can sit. Right.
[00:39:08.480] >> So, we're looking at it. We're looking
[00:39:09.839] at it and then all of a sudden
[00:39:13.839] the operator
[00:39:15.839] pulls the camera back
[00:39:18.960] to where you can see the oil rig and the
[00:39:22.480] object in the same scene.
[00:39:25.119] And if this is the oil rig, whatever it
[00:39:27.599] is is this big. But damn.
[00:39:30.800] >> And you're like,
[00:39:35.040] "What? What? What?" And you're you're
[00:39:38.160] trying to figure out anything you can to
[00:39:41.440] fit that. And we had nothing, you know?
[00:39:45.920] We're just watching this thing go on and
[00:39:47.680] we're like, and and it was leaving these
[00:39:49.599] um
[00:39:52.720] it looked like it was leaving like these
[00:39:55.680] a rainbow color thing in its wake as
[00:39:57.839] it's moving. And I think Lou said
[00:40:00.720] something like 500 500 knots in the
[00:40:04.320] water or something like that. Some
[00:40:05.359] unbelievable speed that nothing's going
[00:40:06.800] to move at. But it was cruising and and
[00:40:09.839] the guy just zoomed back out and you
[00:40:11.760] then you just saw this thing here and
[00:40:13.599] this thing here and this thing's moving
[00:40:15.520] and um
[00:40:18.000] until it it it went out of view and
[00:40:19.839] you're just like,
[00:40:21.920] "Dude, I got nothing. I I I don't know
[00:40:24.480] what to tell you." And an oil rig,
[00:40:27.680] I guess depending on it, how big would
[00:40:29.359] you estimate an oil rig is for scale?
[00:40:33.760] >> Okay. The only ones I can tell you is
[00:40:35.520] the ones that I saw in the is the ones
[00:40:38.240] that I see in the movies like you know
[00:40:40.320] where big oil fire is huge
[00:40:43.040] >> but this thing was bigger you know
[00:40:45.760] >> and
[00:40:47.440] um I remember
[00:40:51.359] going to an expert to one organization
[00:40:54.320] out there and I said something to the
[00:40:57.200] effect of
[00:40:59.200] um yeah tell me what that is and And I
[00:41:04.000] wait and someone comes back and tells me
[00:41:07.599] that what I saw, what we saw
[00:41:11.520] was the shadow of the moon moving over
[00:41:14.000] the face of the earth. [laughter]
[00:41:16.640] I'm like,
[00:41:19.200] and I I I think, yeah, I called J
[00:41:21.520] Stratton up and I said,
[00:41:23.920] "Uh, sir,
[00:41:27.359] permission to treat this particular
[00:41:29.119] agency is hostile." cuz they were trying
[00:41:31.040] to suffine on my ass or something like
[00:41:34.160] that.
[00:41:34.960] >> Yeah. And I'm just like I He's like,
[00:41:38.000] "You sure that's not a junior analyst or
[00:41:39.920] something?" And I didn't know cuz you
[00:41:41.280] don't know who you
[00:41:42.480] >> the the way the task force worked,
[00:41:44.400] James, was there was a core
[00:41:48.160] and then there were all these agencies
[00:41:50.480] within the intel community
[00:41:53.520] that you had experts that you could
[00:41:55.200] reach out to and you know they could
[00:41:57.200] leverage their expertise cuz maybe
[00:41:58.880] they've seen something before or you
[00:42:01.119] know maybe in their past they saw a UFO
[00:42:03.280] or whatever the case may be. So you
[00:42:05.599] don't know who you're going to talk to.
[00:42:06.640] you just know that you're getting
[00:42:07.680] something back from some analysts that
[00:42:09.680] said yay this is what it is or whatever
[00:42:13.040] but that one was so far off I was just
[00:42:15.599] like no I said I'm not going I said I am
[00:42:18.960] not using you guys again ever again
[00:42:20.800] after that you know um cuz everybody
[00:42:23.520] knew everybody I mean I had this whole
[00:42:25.760] entourage sitting over my shoulder going
[00:42:28.880] what the hell is that
[00:42:32.079] you don't know
[00:42:33.599] >> you know we we we would all
[00:42:38.400] we we we came up with all kinds of
[00:42:40.160] hypotheses, but we didn't have any
[00:42:41.760] answers. I got blessed because again,
[00:42:45.040] not only was I now going full circle and
[00:42:47.599] joining a task force that was asking me
[00:42:50.000] to look into the very thing that I said
[00:42:51.520] I was going to look into when I retired,
[00:42:54.000] but I got to be able to call people like
[00:42:58.319] Dr. Eric Davis and Dr. Hal Poff and Dr.
[00:43:02.000] Valle and Dr. Travis Taylor. I got to
[00:43:04.319] end up with these guys as my friends and
[00:43:05.760] I could call them up and go, "Okay,
[00:43:07.520] here's what I got." Blah blah blah blah
[00:43:09.040] blah blah blah. And they're like, "Well,
[00:43:10.480] you know, if you did this, look at this
[00:43:11.839] da." I'm like, [clears throat] you know,
[00:43:14.000] and
[00:43:15.760] but I don't I don't me personally, we
[00:43:18.880] might have saw more things,
[00:43:21.920] but I don't think we got any closer to
[00:43:23.839] knowing exactly what they are.
[00:43:26.000] >> Yeah. Mhm. Um I mean
[00:43:30.000] I'll I went out to uh I tell everybody
[00:43:32.640] this. I went out to Oregon. They have a
[00:43:36.960] paranormal show and um a conference,
[00:43:40.880] whatever. And I my friend asked me to
[00:43:44.319] come out there cuz he had moved out to
[00:43:45.920] Washington State.
[00:43:48.240] And I said sure. So went out there and I
[00:43:51.359] gave this briefing. I was telling them
[00:43:53.119] about my app and whatever. Um,
[00:43:57.200] and these two Asian ladies
[00:44:00.480] were watching me so intently as I moved
[00:44:02.880] back and forth across the stage. I mean,
[00:44:05.599] I laugh now because I was like, I
[00:44:08.319] thought my fly was down or something
[00:44:10.079] like that, you know? They're just like,
[00:44:11.680] h, you know, but they were watching me
[00:44:14.319] and as soon as I got off the stage, they
[00:44:15.839] made a beline to me and um, they said,
[00:44:19.119] "Mr. Logan, what do you think these
[00:44:20.960] things are?" And I said, "Ma'am, I don't
[00:44:23.839] really know." I said, "We're just
[00:44:25.680] guessing." I said, "Everything is a
[00:44:27.760] guess." And she goes, "Well, can you
[00:44:30.880] help me?" And I said, "Sure." And it was
[00:44:33.200] one lady and her sister, and they lived
[00:44:35.760] in Northern California, and they drove
[00:44:37.280] all the way up to Seaside just to see if
[00:44:39.200] they could get some answers. So I said,
[00:44:42.319] "Okay, what's going on?" She took out
[00:44:44.960] her phone and there was this beautiful
[00:44:48.720] picture of an orb sitting in a doorway
[00:44:52.319] and I would say
[00:44:55.440] it was just large enough to fit the
[00:44:58.000] entire doorway,
[00:45:00.079] maybe beachball size, whatever. And it's
[00:45:02.800] there. And I'm like, whoa, you got to
[00:45:05.280] tell me the story behind this. and she
[00:45:07.839] said
[00:45:10.400] it was her birthday the year before.
[00:45:14.319] She she overdid it. So she told her her
[00:45:17.599] kids, her grandkids, everybody gave. So
[00:45:20.400] she said she just she overdid it. So she
[00:45:22.720] said she needed to take a rest. So she
[00:45:25.839] said she was in her room and she said
[00:45:28.319] all of a sudden she heard a scratching
[00:45:30.079] sound on the wall
[00:45:32.800] and she was like trying to figure it
[00:45:34.640] out, trying to wake up, whatever. and
[00:45:37.359] she said this orb
[00:45:40.880] oozed right through the wall
[00:45:44.640] and she was like what the you know she's
[00:45:46.800] trying to comprehend all this and she
[00:45:49.359] said it went to the doorway of her
[00:45:51.760] bedroom to the outer hall. So she's
[00:45:54.319] screaming all her kids are coming and
[00:45:56.640] everybody but nobody's about to pass
[00:45:59.119] that threshold cuz it's sitting right
[00:46:01.280] there in the threshold. And she said for
[00:46:05.200] like maybe four maybe 5 minutes they're
[00:46:08.960] just staring at it and it's doing this
[00:46:10.480] number
[00:46:13.200] like a heartbeat going back and forth.
[00:46:16.560] And then she said
[00:46:18.720] you could hear like I think she said you
[00:46:21.680] could hear like some static electricity
[00:46:23.119] around it and it was blue perfectly
[00:46:26.319] perfect circle blue with white like a
[00:46:30.720] white edge going around it.
[00:46:32.297] >> [snorts]
[00:46:32.800] >> And she said all of a sudden it just the
[00:46:35.200] same way it came in just went back to
[00:46:37.359] the wall and ooze [snorts] right out the
[00:46:41.920] through the wall. And she's like, "What
[00:46:43.920] is it?" And I was like, "I'm sorry,
[00:46:46.079] ma'am. I I don't have bandages for you."
[00:46:49.119] You know, so take that for what it's
[00:46:51.440] worth. But the only thing that we were
[00:46:53.680] able to kind of figure out based on just
[00:46:57.200] people talking was that
[00:47:01.119] um if you come in into physical contact
[00:47:06.000] with a blue one,
[00:47:09.119] you're um
[00:47:11.839] you're more likely to get some kind of
[00:47:15.920] cancer in the area where it touched you.
[00:47:20.240] >> All right. We don't we don't think it's
[00:47:22.480] something deliberate.
[00:47:25.200] We just think it's just one of the those
[00:47:28.000] things that happen. Not the red, not the
[00:47:31.599] green or the uh orange ones, but the
[00:47:34.560] blue ones.
[00:47:37.200] Um and that's the best we could come up
[00:47:40.079] with. We're like just, you know, stay
[00:47:42.480] back, you know. Um there's a guy named
[00:47:46.079] Dr. Keith Taylor. um you should have him
[00:47:49.599] on your show one time. He is um former
[00:47:53.680] New York City police commissioner. He's
[00:47:55.920] now just a sheriff and I taught with him
[00:47:58.720] at the FBI academy last year, but his
[00:48:02.000] big thing was
[00:48:04.560] um the law enforcement guys aren't
[00:48:07.040] really
[00:48:08.640] too aware about this subject. So, when
[00:48:11.359] we were at the academy, I mean, they had
[00:48:13.680] a he was he was taking a course at the
[00:48:16.240] academy and even though they had a
[00:48:18.720] 12-hour day and we met uh 30 minutes
[00:48:23.200] after their 12-hour day, something like
[00:48:26.160] 72 um
[00:48:28.960] officers showed up for us to do our
[00:48:31.119] briefing because they were naturally
[00:48:32.559] curious.
[00:48:34.480] And the thing that we're curious about
[00:48:35.920] is, you know, what happens when
[00:48:40.000] you're a first responder and you're the
[00:48:42.640] first one that shows up and have to deal
[00:48:44.400] with something like this. Wouldn't you
[00:48:46.240] like to know if hey, maybe it's
[00:48:48.720] radioactive
[00:48:50.000] >> or, you know, something about it. You
[00:48:52.400] know, you're not just going to go, you
[00:48:55.040] know, running up to it or, you know, you
[00:48:57.520] don't know what you're going to see,
[00:48:58.559] what you're going to do. But the idea is
[00:49:00.880] we need to we need to prepare our first
[00:49:03.440] responders. So that's what we we talk to
[00:49:05.280] them about. You know, if you see
[00:49:07.200] something unusual, report it first so in
[00:49:11.359] case something does happen to you and
[00:49:12.800] you become incapacitated,
[00:49:14.720] someone knows where you are, whatever
[00:49:16.400] the case may be. Um there's people that
[00:49:19.760] have had their cars turn off as soon as
[00:49:21.599] the thing gets around them. there's, you
[00:49:24.240] know, it's just weird. And and and I
[00:49:27.839] [clears throat] think it's selective.
[00:49:29.200] And the reason why I think it's
[00:49:30.319] selective was is because
[00:49:34.160] there have been
[00:49:36.480] plenty I've seen boats or or heard of
[00:49:39.200] boats and cars that turn off, but
[00:49:42.960] airplanes still seem to be up. They're
[00:49:45.520] not trying to they don't turn off. their
[00:49:47.520] instruments may go crazy but the engines
[00:49:50.400] are working fine
[00:49:52.640] you know those type of things but you
[00:49:55.280] know so I I think there's something
[00:49:57.520] selected there all you can do is you can
[00:50:00.480] guess put some hypotheses out there and
[00:50:03.280] just wait keep collecting the data till
[00:50:05.040] the data kind of tells you that you're
[00:50:06.720] right
[00:50:07.920] >> and that's pretty much where we were
[00:50:09.440] going I mean we went to one place
[00:50:13.040] it was Army Navy Air Force Marines and
[00:50:15.440] Coast Guard and everything. The room was
[00:50:17.680] packed and Jay Stratton
[00:50:21.359] um stood up. He was uh he you know the
[00:50:24.720] room it was standing room. There
[00:50:26.789] [clears throat] was people on the sides
[00:50:27.680] of the wall standing up. Um there must
[00:50:30.000] have been a couple hundred people in
[00:50:31.760] there. And he said, "This is I'm my name
[00:50:36.400] is J Stratton. I'm dealing with with the
[00:50:38.800] UAP task force. Here's what's going on."
[00:50:41.040] Showed a couple videos and whatever. And
[00:50:43.760] the moment he stepped up down off that
[00:50:46.720] stage, you would have thought he was a
[00:50:48.880] rock star the way so many people went
[00:50:50.400] running towards him. And everybody had a
[00:50:53.440] story. Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard,
[00:50:56.480] everybody. And they're like, he's
[00:50:58.885] [clears throat] like, "Hey, if you go to
[00:51:00.880] our website, there's a range file
[00:51:02.480] checklist D. You can fill it out,
[00:51:04.160] whatever." And there were certain people
[00:51:05.200] in there that said, "We already tried
[00:51:06.319] that and you guys didn't respond." And
[00:51:08.480] all of a sudden, we looked at each other
[00:51:09.839] because we know we didn't see their
[00:51:12.160] report. But they said, "Oh, we sent our
[00:51:14.640] report four months ago, 6 months ago, 3
[00:51:16.559] months ago, whatever. They weren't
[00:51:18.559] showing up." So, we said, "Okay." And
[00:51:22.000] so, I talked to a couple of them, took
[00:51:24.640] in their information, and then again,
[00:51:26.319] we're trying to come up with some
[00:51:27.680] hypotheses as to what it is.
[00:51:29.760] >> Yeah. Well, you know what's cool about
[00:51:31.680] this conversation is, you know, when
[00:51:33.520] I've seen you on some other things, it's
[00:51:35.359] always about maybe a case or maybe in
[00:51:39.920] general, but we never really get the
[00:51:41.920] full scope of what like you had a job.
[00:51:44.720] Yeah, I have a job. You show up daily.
[00:51:47.040] You do stuff daily. You interface with
[00:51:48.800] other agencies. You cooperate with
[00:51:50.559] people. It's real life. It's not like
[00:51:53.359] you you flash in for two months and
[00:51:56.319] looked at some cool stuff and now you
[00:51:57.760] get to be on a podcast and talk about
[00:51:59.280] it. like this is your job job. So I
[00:52:01.440] appreciate it for four years.
[00:52:02.800] >> Yeah. I appreciate the fact that you can
[00:52:04.559] give us a kind of behind the scenes of
[00:52:06.400] some of it's mundane, some of it's
[00:52:08.240] frustrating. A lot of it's probably
[00:52:10.319] frustrating, but the fact that we get a
[00:52:12.559] glimpse into what it's like to be a an
[00:52:14.960] analyst like yourself working like that
[00:52:16.800] and how you got there is, I think,
[00:52:18.240] really cool. I I did want to uh touch on
[00:52:21.200] something and I I you know answer answer
[00:52:23.680] how you'd like but I know you know
[00:52:25.599] you've worked with Lou you work with Jay
[00:52:28.319] Jim Semivan I'm sure you've come in
[00:52:30.079] contact with
[00:52:31.440] >> I I so Jim the day I met Lou and
[00:52:36.640] Chris and James Stratton
[00:52:39.760] Jim Summeran was supposed to be there
[00:52:41.520] that day but he never showed up so I
[00:52:43.440] didn't meet him till later and we we
[00:52:45.040] only we've [snorts] only interfaced on
[00:52:47.680] the uh like a Zoom call.
[00:52:49.520] >> Okay. But still, it's Jim Semiban. If
[00:52:52.079] people look up his Google him, right,
[00:52:53.920] and see what his background was like.
[00:52:55.520] He's not messing. He's not going to play
[00:52:57.119] around with them. Uh, our produc My
[00:52:59.359] producer and I were talking about it
[00:53:01.359] before the show that,
[00:53:03.280] >> you know, the government's really good
[00:53:04.720] at SCOPs and a lot of this stuff would
[00:53:08.000] be a really poor attempt at a SCOP,
[00:53:10.559] right? So, it's it's anomalous in in in
[00:53:12.960] that respect. like if uh you know people
[00:53:15.839] have created since 2017
[00:53:19.359] the the people that are interested or
[00:53:21.599] just got interested in this are treating
[00:53:23.200] a lot of the people that are involved in
[00:53:25.440] this whether it's Lou Jay um Christopher
[00:53:29.440] Melon as it's like WWE Mon Thursday
[00:53:33.760] night Nit show like he's a heel he's my
[00:53:36.480] he's a baby face he's a good guy he's a
[00:53:39.280] bad guy and it's almost like this drama
[00:53:41.599] that plays out without knowing Yeah.
[00:53:43.839] Everybody's everybody looking for the
[00:53:45.760] drama and then trying to exploit it.
[00:53:47.680] >> Yeah. And if this if the answer isn't
[00:53:49.359] what they want, people I'm finding have
[00:53:51.119] an appetite for disclosure only if it's
[00:53:53.772] [clears throat]
[00:53:54.480] the way they cooked up in their head.
[00:53:56.319] You know, is this is this disclosure
[00:53:57.920] should be like this. It's like, look, if
[00:53:59.839] it's the scale it is, it it can't be
[00:54:02.480] like that. And and so I I'll ask you
[00:54:04.400] this. Um,
[00:54:07.200] Lou, uh, I know some people that knew
[00:54:09.680] Lou,
[00:54:11.599] uh, before he was even in in this thing.
[00:54:14.880] And, uh, for my money, he's legit. And
[00:54:19.520] for for your money,
[00:54:22.319] trustworthy, do you trust Lou?
[00:54:25.200] >> I trust Lou.
[00:54:26.720] >> Yep.
[00:54:27.440] >> I trust Lou.
[00:54:29.520] I trust Jay. I trust Chris Melon. Um,
[00:54:36.240] I don't care what people say. I worked
[00:54:38.000] with the guy.
[00:54:38.720] >> Yeah.
[00:54:39.040] >> Okay. I talked with him every time he
[00:54:41.440] came into town. I've been been to his
[00:54:43.839] house, met his family.
[00:54:46.559] Um, we Okay,
[00:54:50.960] there are people that will look at me
[00:54:52.640] and because I was there for 4 years,
[00:54:54.240] they're like, "Oh my god, he's a UFO
[00:54:57.359] expert." And that couldn't be so far
[00:54:59.200] from the truth because we just know more
[00:55:02.400] about the subject, but we ain't no
[00:55:04.160] experts by no no way, shape, form of the
[00:55:07.200] imagination.
[00:55:08.079] >> Yeah,
[00:55:08.640] >> we're all trying to figure this out. We
[00:55:11.359] just know a little bit more
[00:55:13.839] because we're pulling all that data
[00:55:16.000] together and aggregating it and then
[00:55:18.800] looking for the the peaks and valleys to
[00:55:22.480] say, okay, here's where something
[00:55:24.000] happened. All this happened in the same
[00:55:25.760] time frame. all this the the description
[00:55:28.400] of what they saw is happening all the
[00:55:30.000] same. So now we get to put the majority
[00:55:32.880] of that together and then some of the
[00:55:34.720] slight variations together. But we're
[00:55:36.800] not experts. We're we're all people
[00:55:40.640] trying to just figure out what is going
[00:55:44.000] on. I mean
[00:55:46.400] I I Ryan Graves, you know, guy's
[00:55:51.280] awesome, you know. Um I never met um
[00:55:55.280] Commander Dietrich to Fraver, but Ryan
[00:55:57.280] Graves I met a couple times and we've
[00:55:58.880] talked and we talked about different
[00:56:01.200] aspects of all these things and but we
[00:56:05.359] don't feel like we're experts were
[00:56:08.640] we're just very more knowledgeable than
[00:56:10.720] most is what I would say.
[00:56:12.400] >> Yeah. And I think what it does and what
[00:56:14.160] what you've done and the people you've
[00:56:16.799] been involved with is created uh an
[00:56:18.960] awareness that needed to be created
[00:56:20.480] within like Navy intelligence because as
[00:56:23.200] you recall the air force they had to be
[00:56:25.599] experiencing all of these branches of
[00:56:27.599] the military experienced the same thing.
[00:56:29.760] It wasn't like this is a a Navy
[00:56:32.079] phenomena, but because of uh the program
[00:56:35.599] you were involved with brought it to
[00:56:37.200] light and therefore the awareness was
[00:56:39.280] brought to light and that was the
[00:56:40.480] tipping point to start disclosure in
[00:56:43.280] earnest and people can say what they
[00:56:45.520] want about it. We're we're way further
[00:56:47.280] along now than we were 10 years ago and
[00:56:50.160] it's we're coming up about 10 years when
[00:56:51.839] the article came out. Um,
[00:56:54.160] >> yeah.
[00:56:54.799] >> You know, and I, um,
[00:56:59.839] I was, uh, just thinking when you were
[00:57:02.480] talking about, um, we talk a lot about
[00:57:05.760] craft and orbs and and what because it's
[00:57:08.480] data. You've got to analyze data. You've
[00:57:10.240] got data in a in a video format. You've
[00:57:12.559] got it in maybe a photographic format.
[00:57:14.880] You've got eyewitnesses. And that falls
[00:57:16.720] right in your wheelhouse as an all-
[00:57:18.240] source analyst to to compile those
[00:57:20.079] things. Um, did you run across anything
[00:57:24.000] with nonhuman like entities or reports
[00:57:27.200] along those lines? Maybe with some
[00:57:28.720] biologics.
[00:57:29.599] >> I saw I saw reports of stuff.
[00:57:32.480] >> Yeah.
[00:57:33.119] >> But um me [laughter]
[00:57:37.520] I when I was when I was out in Oregon
[00:57:40.079] and they kept asking me, they're like,
[00:57:41.760] "Hey, we're going to go on a ghost hunt
[00:57:43.040] or whatever." And I was like, "Look, I'm
[00:57:44.400] black. I don't do the woo stuff, right?"
[00:57:46.954] >> [laughter]
[00:57:47.440] >> Um, so I really I wanted to concentrate
[00:57:50.880] more on the nuts and bolts stuff because
[00:57:52.400] it's something I could really wrap my
[00:57:54.880] head around versus
[00:57:57.599] talking about entities. Now, don't get
[00:57:59.599] me wrong. I I can talk about them, but I
[00:58:02.559] just didn't feel like I knew enough to
[00:58:05.599] talk about them. So, you know, that's
[00:58:07.520] where Jim Seavans and and other people
[00:58:10.000] came in and were offering their their
[00:58:12.960] experience, you know, and so I would
[00:58:15.440] listen to them and and and try to learn
[00:58:18.079] and and then kind of go from there. The
[00:58:20.640] the
[00:58:24.640] one incident where I remember someone
[00:58:28.160] said they thought they saw an entity.
[00:58:31.520] All right? And I was like, okay. But
[00:58:35.119] here's a better story for you. There's a
[00:58:37.839] guy I know.
[00:58:40.000] Um, he kept seeing
[00:58:43.280] what looked like an object in the corner
[00:58:45.599] of his eye and he would look and then
[00:58:47.200] there would be something there for a
[00:58:48.400] while and then it would disappear,
[00:58:50.319] right? And
[00:58:53.839] so he wasn't thinking too much about it.
[00:58:55.920] It would just kind of one of those
[00:58:58.160] things that irritates you because you
[00:58:59.359] don't know what it what it is. So he
[00:59:01.440] comes home on a holiday. He's a Marine.
[00:59:04.400] and
[00:59:06.480] he's uh having all his friends come over
[00:59:09.760] and they're like at a they're sitting at
[00:59:12.240] a barn and there's a fire going and
[00:59:14.000] everything's all cool and everything and
[00:59:16.480] then he said Logan he said all of a
[00:59:19.839] sudden
[00:59:21.599] this thing comes down. He said it was
[00:59:24.240] almost like the shape of a disc but not
[00:59:25.839] quite like a disc. And he said it comes
[00:59:29.280] down, turns on its side, and swings like
[00:59:33.440] a pendulum in front of everybody.
[00:59:36.799] And you could actually see entities
[00:59:38.880] inside of it
[00:59:40.240] >> looking back at them, right?
[00:59:43.280] So everybody's freaked out, but nobody
[00:59:46.400] wants to talk about it. So they said,
[00:59:48.480] "Hey, we are not talking about this."
[00:59:52.559] Now, here he is at work and he's
[00:59:56.000] starting to have nightmares about people
[00:59:57.920] coming into his room and picking him up
[01:00:00.720] and playing with all kinds of stuff,
[01:00:02.079] right? So, he ends up going to see the
[01:00:04.720] psychologist or psychiatrist on the
[01:00:06.480] base.
[01:00:09.440] And they are trying to convince him that
[01:00:13.040] what he has experienced was not real.
[01:00:17.040] And he said, "Logan," he said, "They
[01:00:19.440] were trying to put me in like a straight
[01:00:21.119] jacket or something." He said, "The only
[01:00:23.760] anchor I had was the people that saw it
[01:00:27.680] with me."
[01:00:28.559] >> Yeah.
[01:00:29.839] >> Because they knew it to be real. They
[01:00:31.599] could Everything I saw, they saw. And I
[01:00:35.359] I got a point about that, too. But he
[01:00:37.760] said, "Everything I saw, they saw." So
[01:00:39.280] he said, "For that reason, I had to get
[01:00:41.839] out of the military because I knew they
[01:00:43.280] weren't helping me." All right. He said
[01:00:46.319] it was like it was like [clears throat]
[01:00:47.200] they were against me. They didn't
[01:00:48.480] understand what I was going through. I'm
[01:00:49.760] trying to tell them and they are not
[01:00:51.760] listening to me. Now in his particular
[01:00:54.480] case
[01:00:56.319] what he saw his friends saw but we have
[01:01:00.000] had groups where five, six, seven people
[01:01:03.760] they see the UAP and they all describe
[01:01:07.440] something different
[01:01:10.640] >> and we're like how do you do that? you
[01:01:13.119] know um so the phenomena
[01:01:18.079] shows itself in different ways and the
[01:01:21.200] idea my idea is let's collect it all.
[01:01:25.040] >> Yeah.
[01:01:25.920] >> So that we can have some com
[01:01:28.640] comparisons. One of the things I want to
[01:01:30.880] do with Jeff Nusatelli is
[01:01:35.040] I want to have um
[01:01:38.160] a military reprieve.
[01:01:40.720] um get all the military guys together,
[01:01:43.440] you know, and just talk, compare notes
[01:01:48.480] because I think there's way way way way
[01:01:51.839] way more people that have seen stuff
[01:01:53.680] that just haven't talked about it. And
[01:01:55.680] and my example would be this. I have a
[01:01:58.799] friend whose dad used to fly
[01:02:03.040] F-14s
[01:02:05.839] and he said, "Hey, Dad,
[01:02:09.040] did you ever see any of these things?"
[01:02:11.520] He's his His dad is like, "What?" said,
[01:02:13.920] "You know, UFOs, UAPs, whatever." And
[01:02:17.520] his dad was like,
[01:02:19.920] "Never saw a UFO in my life. Never."
[01:02:23.599] And so the story comes out with Lou
[01:02:25.760] Alzando.
[01:02:27.440] Next thing you know, his dad is on the
[01:02:29.040] phone calling up all his buddies. I TOLD
[01:02:31.359] YOU, REMEMBER WHEN WE SAW THAT THING?
[01:02:33.599] AND his dad is going off on the phone,
[01:02:35.440] right? And he's like, "Whoa, Dad,
[01:02:40.400] you said you never saw a UFO."
[01:02:43.920] And the answer his dad gave him was,
[01:02:48.160] "I never saw a UFO in my life, but UAPs
[01:02:50.960] I saw all the time."
[01:02:53.520] the terminology. [laughter]
[01:02:56.000] >> That's how his dad he he's like I got
[01:02:58.319] played by my own dad.
[01:02:59.680] >> Yeah, he did.
[01:03:01.280] >> You know, but but that's one of those
[01:03:03.520] things that that comes up. And
[01:03:06.240] >> what and the other thing that I'm I'm
[01:03:08.480] frustrated about is
[01:03:11.280] I used to play like, you know, you
[01:03:13.200] probably remember this uh the six
[01:03:15.200] degrees of Kevin Bacon.
[01:03:16.559] >> Yeah. You know, so on average when I get
[01:03:20.319] about five people together
[01:03:23.200] or six people together, on average about
[01:03:26.240] half of them have had
[01:03:28.960] a unique experience that could be
[01:03:31.200] considered either crypted, paranormal,
[01:03:32.960] or UAP related. All right, I keep trying
[01:03:36.160] it and it still keeps coming up that
[01:03:37.839] way. You know, maybe maybe it drops down
[01:03:40.160] to two, but never
[01:03:42.480] never below that. All right. Maybe it
[01:03:45.359] pops up to all six. Maybe it, you know,
[01:03:48.079] but I think most of the time I get five
[01:03:50.240] on average. All right. So, I'm sitting
[01:03:52.720] there going, here we are.
[01:03:56.799] All these people are going into
[01:03:59.599] to see Congress and talk, right? And I'm
[01:04:02.799] like, this is good.
[01:04:05.280] Um, but I'm thinking,
[01:04:08.880] how many people are in Congress?
[01:04:11.599] >> Yeah. And how many of them haven't told
[01:04:13.359] their story because they're waiting for
[01:04:16.079] somebody else to tell their story.
[01:04:18.240] >> All right.
[01:04:19.680] >> And then on on you know and everyone was
[01:04:24.319] like Logan you got something to say. You
[01:04:25.920] should say you should say it. I was like
[01:04:27.520] ah no I don't think so. As far as I'm
[01:04:30.720] concerned disclosure's already happened
[01:04:32.400] so there's nothing for me to say. All
[01:04:34.480] right. Now maybe I'm a little jaded in
[01:04:37.760] the way I see things cuz you know people
[01:04:41.280] will see things different. One
[01:04:45.280] all the
[01:04:47.520] the Webster's dictionary says disclosure
[01:04:52.000] to make something secret known.
[01:04:55.920] You've had President Obama, you had
[01:04:58.559] President Trump both stand up and say,
[01:05:01.359] "Hey, I had a secret briefing and all I
[01:05:04.880] can really say is there's no stuff lying
[01:05:07.520] around that we don't know about." Boom.
[01:05:10.799] There's your disclosure, right? So, what
[01:05:14.160] is Logan looking for? Logan is looking
[01:05:16.960] for confirmation.
[01:05:18.960] Confirmation of what we know to be true.
[01:05:21.599] I just went out to contact in the desert
[01:05:23.599] with uh Jeff Natelli, Scott Garren,
[01:05:27.599] Sarah Gam, Steve Basset,
[01:05:30.799] Danny Sheen, all those guys. And we had
[01:05:32.559] a thing talking about disclosure and I
[01:05:34.319] said I said, "Okay, I looked out to the
[01:05:38.400] crowd and I said, "Who in here has had
[01:05:41.359] an experience?"
[01:05:43.440] And everyone was like, you know, those
[01:05:46.160] people that had their experience, but
[01:05:47.839] way more than half the room had an
[01:05:49.680] experience. And I said, "Do you need
[01:05:54.880] the president
[01:05:56.720] to actually come and tell you that that
[01:05:59.280] these things are real?"
[01:06:01.760] And they agreed with me, "No, we don't."
[01:06:04.000] So I said, "So all you're looking for is
[01:06:06.559] confirmation of what you know to be
[01:06:08.799] true." And they were like, "Yeah, that's
[01:06:12.559] pretty much it. We don't need anything
[01:06:14.799] else." Now, don't get me wrong, we all
[01:06:17.039] need something else cuz we got we want
[01:06:18.480] to know the specifics, right? you know
[01:06:20.319] what color, you know, how tall was it,
[01:06:22.960] whatever, but at the end of the day,
[01:06:26.559] >> we just want confirmation.
[01:06:28.000] >> Yeah.
[01:06:28.400] >> And then when you hear people talk NHI,
[01:06:30.799] my first question is like Steven Greer,
[01:06:34.000] um,
[01:06:35.680] he's like, "Oh, the NHI, they're they're
[01:06:38.079] they're they're our star brothers and
[01:06:41.359] they're our friends and whatever."
[01:06:44.799] I'm like, whenever someone brings up
[01:06:47.039] stuff like that, make broad statements,
[01:06:48.640] my first question is which one? Because
[01:06:52.400] I ain't going with just, hey, they're
[01:06:54.319] all open and they're all here to see us,
[01:06:56.559] right? And if they're here to see us,
[01:07:00.000] why why are we still waiting? If they're
[01:07:02.880] our brothers, why are we still waiting?
[01:07:04.880] So, there's there's some inongruencies
[01:07:06.720] with his answer, I would say. Um
[01:07:11.280] the
[01:07:12.799] when we talk about the craft and we're
[01:07:14.880] talking about the triangles and we're
[01:07:16.160] talking about the this and the that
[01:07:18.160] again I would like to kind of know well
[01:07:22.240] do the grays handle the triangles? Do
[01:07:24.480] the Anunnaki handle this one? Does the
[01:07:27.359] you know who who the Nordics which ones
[01:07:29.280] do they fly? You know
[01:07:31.039] >> what whatever. And I'm pretty sure
[01:07:33.440] there's been a whole bunch of stuff that
[01:07:35.039] has been
[01:07:38.720] modified, changed because once once you
[01:07:43.200] once you're you you get out into the
[01:07:45.680] open, I have people coming up to me in
[01:07:48.480] the airport and said, "Are you Logan
[01:07:50.160] from the from the task force?" And I'm
[01:07:51.599] like, "Yeah, can I talk to you?" and
[01:07:53.520] we're talking and they're telling me
[01:07:55.599] their story and they're they're
[01:07:57.359] comparing notes and they want to know
[01:07:59.039] what my opinion is and I want to know
[01:08:00.640] what their opinion is. So, it's a good
[01:08:02.559] thing, but sometimes you get circular
[01:08:06.079] reporting and that's where you heard
[01:08:08.240] about something over here and it gets
[01:08:10.160] passed all the way around and then comes
[01:08:11.760] right back to you. But now it sounds
[01:08:13.599] different. So, you're wondering, is this
[01:08:14.960] the same story or is this
[01:08:16.319] >> right? you know, you you gotta dissect
[01:08:19.520] it a little bit, you know, and I've
[01:08:23.359] heard rumors like um
[01:08:26.159] what was the story? They're supposed to
[01:08:28.080] be coming back. All right. Supposedly,
[01:08:31.920] >> real soon, the Galactic Federation of
[01:08:34.960] Light is supposed to stop by and say,
[01:08:37.040] "Yo, folks,
[01:08:38.400] >> we're here." you know, um is I'm
[01:08:41.839] wondering if it's going to be like a
[01:08:43.040] Jesus moment where, you know, finally
[01:08:46.480] that, you know, Jesus shows up and says,
[01:08:48.319] "I'm the Messiah." And then nobody's
[01:08:49.679] going to believe him, you know.
[01:08:51.359] >> But regardless, they're supposed to come
[01:08:53.759] come back and
[01:08:56.560] supposedly in the past something bad
[01:08:59.520] happened and they said, "When we come
[01:09:00.960] back, there's going to be a reckoning."
[01:09:02.640] So a lot of people like oo you know and
[01:09:05.520] I'm like okay
[01:09:08.880] let's go beyond that that answer
[01:09:13.279] when who comes back
[01:09:16.560] and if you're not the ones then who's
[01:09:19.199] flying around now
[01:09:21.520] right and someone someone came up to me
[01:09:24.640] and he he said I was told to tell you I
[01:09:28.480] was like uhoh [laughter] and he he's
[01:09:31.120] like I was told to tell you that the
[01:09:34.560] ones that are flying around now are the
[01:09:37.759] ones that broke the treaty. I was like,
[01:09:39.440] "Whoa, what treaty?" You know, more
[01:09:42.239] questions. You know, you're laying it
[01:09:43.540] [laughter] all on there. And he's like,
[01:09:45.839] you know, the treaty that they made back
[01:09:47.520] back in the 50s and the 60s. And I was
[01:09:49.440] like,
[01:09:50.960] you know, so I had to do some reading,
[01:09:52.400] find out what treaty and whatever. And I
[01:09:54.640] was like, okay, why was the treaty
[01:09:56.880] broken? You know, what's what's in the
[01:09:59.280] treaty? You know, you know, all those
[01:10:00.880] details.
[01:10:02.239] But you're not going to get those things
[01:10:03.520] because nobody nobody knows anything. Or
[01:10:07.199] if they do, they're they're not talking.
[01:10:10.480] The ones that really know anything
[01:10:12.400] >> because I I'll share this with you.
[01:10:17.120] When David Grush talked to Congress, by
[01:10:22.000] the way, um when David Grush became part
[01:10:25.520] of the task force, I did the same thing
[01:10:27.360] to him that I did to Lou. He called and
[01:10:29.840] said, "Hey, this is Major Brush. Um, can
[01:10:32.960] I talk to Logan?" "Yeah, this is Logan."
[01:10:35.120] "Yeah. Um, can we talk about the task
[01:10:37.440] force stuff?" And blah blah. I was like,
[01:10:38.800] "Well, if you think you can get through
[01:10:40.560] my door, you know, and like sure enough,
[01:10:43.920] I hear that voice and I'm like, "Hey,
[01:10:45.440] that's the same guy that I talked to. It
[01:10:47.520] was David Grush, right?" And once I saw
[01:10:49.600] that he had all these clearances, I was
[01:10:51.600] like, "Dude, you're above my pay grade.
[01:10:53.920] You need to go talk to Jay Stratton."
[01:10:55.584] [laughter]
[01:10:57.199] you know, but the first thing they were
[01:10:59.440] jumping on him about was, "Hey,
[01:11:03.440] so you didn't see this thing firsthand
[01:11:05.040] and you're talking about it, you know,
[01:11:08.239] and what I think is so funny.
[01:11:11.840] Isn't that what Congress is doing now?
[01:11:14.560] Luna, all of them, they're telling you,
[01:11:16.400] "Oh, yeah. We we we we seen this." Well,
[01:11:19.360] did you actually see the thing? Well,
[01:11:22.000] no, but I've seen it.
[01:11:23.920] >> Yeah. [laughter] and we're repeating the
[01:11:25.920] same thing. So all we've done is taken
[01:11:28.719] the information that is in a bunch of
[01:11:30.239] the whistleblowers heads,
[01:11:33.440] transferred it over to Congress,
[01:11:36.159] these guys lost their jobs and these
[01:11:38.080] guys are sitting nice and high just
[01:11:39.920] yeah, this is what we saw. You know, I
[01:11:42.239] was like, how does that work? [laughter]
[01:11:45.120] >> You you know, it's funny that you say
[01:11:46.480] that because it I was going to ask you a
[01:11:48.480] lot of the things that you've you've uh
[01:11:50.640] shared were questions I was going to
[01:11:52.239] ask. So you're just rolling with it.
[01:11:54.000] It's perfect. Um, about it. It was Danny
[01:11:58.159] Shehan. I think we talked to Danny last
[01:12:00.719] week, uh, a couple weeks ago and I
[01:12:04.480] brought up this point and it was a
[01:12:07.120] little bit of a soapbox moment, but
[01:12:08.640] knowing like I said, I place cleared
[01:12:10.480] people and with with government
[01:12:12.719] contractors and
[01:12:15.360] what you just said, I think the the
[01:12:17.920] general public needs to know if there's
[01:12:21.360] this contingent of people. There's
[01:12:23.040] always haters and the internet's going
[01:12:24.400] to do what it's going to do. But when
[01:12:26.000] they see the whistleblowers, the first
[01:12:27.840] thing they say is, you know, they're
[01:12:29.520] they're lying. Uh it's it's all
[01:12:32.880] They just want to get like uh
[01:12:35.120] a book deal. And if if they only knew
[01:12:39.280] what a whistleblower like Rush and
[01:12:42.080] others go through with their families
[01:12:44.880] and sacrifice as far as government
[01:12:47.920] contracting work, the government's
[01:12:49.760] pissed at them. uh they get shunned in
[01:12:52.719] public. They, you know, if they've got
[01:12:54.239] kids, the ridicule that you make more
[01:12:57.679] money doing government contract work
[01:12:59.520] than book deals aren't what people think
[01:13:01.360] they are. And no, or a [clears throat]
[01:13:03.440] podcast appearance or a contact in the
[01:13:06.159] desert, you know, pays your your trip,
[01:13:08.159] your your trip to go out there in a
[01:13:09.679] hotel and maybe some kind of speaking
[01:13:11.120] engagement and that's a few times a
[01:13:13.199] year. You're not going to make the
[01:13:14.480] hourly rate you make as a government
[01:13:16.400] contractor. Not
[01:13:18.159] >> that's your that's your bread and
[01:13:19.440] butter. And when you start messing with
[01:13:21.120] people's livelihoods,
[01:13:23.360] people,
[01:13:25.679] the old saying, people don't die for a
[01:13:27.600] lie. They're not going to give up,
[01:13:29.280] they're not going to give up their
[01:13:30.400] career, their money, and their their
[01:13:33.120] station in life for a lie. So% that
[01:13:36.800] that's just what I believe. But yet,
[01:13:38.560] Congress is in a no- lose situation
[01:13:40.719] because that's Congress, right? That
[01:13:42.719] that's
[01:13:43.199] >> and they're looking for you to make a
[01:13:44.640] mistake. And as I said, we're not all
[01:13:48.159] experts on this. So, we're going to make
[01:13:49.840] mistakes. So, but they're looking for
[01:13:51.679] that crack or that in your armor
[01:13:53.920] so that they can crucify you. Why?
[01:13:56.239] Because you
[01:13:58.719] have attacked their belief system,
[01:14:00.719] >> right?
[01:14:01.440] >> And now they want payback.
[01:14:03.440] >> Yeah. And you could look, you could take
[01:14:05.679] this subject and apply it to anything
[01:14:07.840] else in life. And people are looking for
[01:14:10.960] a reason, one reason, one small reason
[01:14:14.159] to discount everything else you said,
[01:14:16.960] because they were looking for a reason
[01:14:18.159] to not believe anything you said. And
[01:14:20.159] and that's holds true here. And we see
[01:14:22.320] it hold true here. Well, listen, man.
[01:14:24.400] This has been awesome. Before we wrap, I
[01:14:26.239] want to have you get a chance to talk
[01:14:28.320] about some cool stuff you're doing with
[01:14:30.480] your app.
[01:14:32.480] >> Okay, so my app, thank you for this. My
[01:14:36.320] app is called Phenom. Um, hence the uh
[01:14:40.239] logo there, seen on.
[01:14:42.000] >> All right. Um, I built a
[01:14:47.280] app to capture UAP paranormal encrypted
[01:14:50.800] information. All right. Um, it was it
[01:14:54.400] worked quite well. I had like uh 11,000
[01:14:56.880] users and whatever and it was still
[01:14:58.960] growing. and then all of a sudden
[01:15:03.360] something went wrong with the Android
[01:15:05.120] version and then we'd fix it and then
[01:15:07.520] something else would go wrong with
[01:15:08.800] Android version. So the iOS version is
[01:15:11.120] still up and running, but now we're
[01:15:13.280] moving on to version 2.0 No,
[01:15:17.040] and we've got the iOS pretty much
[01:15:19.600] tweaked out, but we're we're working on
[01:15:21.520] the Android version. Um, because now
[01:15:26.000] we've learned a lot more and there's new
[01:15:28.239] things that we can do, you know, put the
[01:15:30.560] ADSB signal, you know, capture that in
[01:15:33.040] the phone. There's uh um there's a
[01:15:36.880] company called San Maroft where you can
[01:15:39.199] get
[01:15:40.800] um really good additional lenses that
[01:15:42.960] you can plug onto your smart smart um
[01:15:46.320] phone. All those type of things. But the
[01:15:48.880] idea is we're looking at three things.
[01:15:52.400] Experience,
[01:15:54.480] exposure, and education.
[01:15:57.679] We want you to share your experience
[01:15:59.760] once you've seen one.
[01:16:01.679] We want to give you the exposure that
[01:16:04.080] you need to talk about it without the
[01:16:06.080] stigma weighing you down. And we want to
[01:16:09.920] collect your information and compile it
[01:16:12.480] with everybody else's information and
[01:16:14.800] educ educate the public on what we're
[01:16:17.199] seeing. Kind of like what I told you
[01:16:18.880] about the blue orb. You know, if it's
[01:16:21.199] dangerous, I'd like to let people know.
[01:16:23.199] You know, if it's not, let people know.
[01:16:26.400] You know, I'd like to identify hotspots.
[01:16:28.560] I'd like to let people um we're trying
[01:16:31.280] to put something together we we're
[01:16:32.800] calling a jinx. And the jinx is kind of
[01:16:35.280] like what you used to do in the when you
[01:16:36.480] were a kid. Remember you used to do the
[01:16:37.679] punch jab when you used to see the
[01:16:39.120] Volkswagen Beetle. Excuse me. But the
[01:16:41.280] jinx is to get
[01:16:43.840] enough people to see the same thing from
[01:16:47.199] different angles. So now we can really
[01:16:49.520] do the collection. We can do the
[01:16:51.440] triangulation and verify how high and
[01:16:54.880] put things in time sequence and and give
[01:16:57.520] you a report and make you know that you
[01:17:00.719] know you legitimately
[01:17:04.239] saw a UAP versus something that was just
[01:17:07.600] weird. No, I'd like to be able to give
[01:17:09.360] you a certificate and say, "Hey, you can
[01:17:11.440] put this on your wall because we we
[01:17:13.440] verified it every which way but loose
[01:17:15.600] that you definitely saw something that
[01:17:17.600] was not a star. It wasn't swamp gas. it
[01:17:19.679] wasn't Venus in the morning or or
[01:17:21.760] whatever. But the idea is um give you
[01:17:26.320] something that you can hold on to. So my
[01:17:28.800] website is it's called
[01:17:30.560] www.thephenom.app.
[01:17:36.000] All right. And there's a QR code there.
[01:17:39.920] Um I will apologize now because right
[01:17:43.679] now we're still in beta testing on 2.0.
[01:17:46.960] So, you'll see more come out later on
[01:17:50.239] when when everything is ready cuz we're
[01:17:52.239] trying to get everything ready by the
[01:17:53.360] end of the month. I've been saying that
[01:17:54.480] for a while, but
[01:17:56.480] um I [laughter]
[01:17:59.440] the first version I did with my own
[01:18:01.199] money, spent a lot of money, and I
[01:18:04.080] didn't get as much bang for the buck as
[01:18:05.840] I would hope, but I wanted to get
[01:18:07.120] something out there. Right now I have a
[01:18:09.199] bunch of volunteers
[01:18:11.679] and um they're working together, but you
[01:18:15.679] can't tell the volunteer, "Hey, hurry
[01:18:17.600] up. I need that by Friday." Because he's
[01:18:19.360] going to be like,
[01:18:20.880] >> "Dude, you ain't paying me." You know, I
[01:18:22.880] got I got I got to go go do my gig, man.
[01:18:25.574] [laughter]
[01:18:26.400] Whatever.
[01:18:27.440] >> So, all I'm asking for is a little bit
[01:18:29.679] of patience. But in the next few weeks,
[01:18:32.400] you'll see an app. What it will do is it
[01:18:34.480] will it will have like four pages on
[01:18:36.239] there. you'll be able to see what
[01:18:37.760] everybody else has posted. You'll be
[01:18:40.640] able to hit the record button and and
[01:18:43.920] it'll start recording uh stuff
[01:18:46.159] automatically. We're going to try and
[01:18:47.760] make it so that people can sync up. Um
[01:18:50.880] even if you're doing a C5 event on the
[01:18:53.679] beach, whatever,
[01:18:54.560] >> right?
[01:18:55.120] >> Um I have a friend, her name is Kate
[01:18:57.120] Rose, she's down there in Florida near
[01:18:59.760] you. Um she has like 700 C5 people that
[01:19:03.760] sit on the beach and they try to call
[01:19:05.280] stuff down. Um, she's invited me down,
[01:19:07.520] but I haven't been out there yet. Um,
[01:19:10.800] but the general gist of the idea is the
[01:19:13.679] app. It will show you on a map where
[01:19:15.199] everything is at, and it will we'll even
[01:19:18.800] have a chat function. So, for some
[01:19:21.120] people, you know, you just got a
[01:19:23.600] question. We're going to have experts
[01:19:25.120] from hopefully MUN and different other
[01:19:27.520] groups that are out there. I want it to
[01:19:30.159] be a place where we collaborate to
[01:19:33.600] graduate.
[01:19:34.880] >> Yes. So everybody's on the same sheet of
[01:19:37.600] music. And the idea is that we can pass
[01:19:39.840] information quickly so that if you,
[01:19:43.120] James, are the one that sees a UAP, the
[01:19:46.320] moment that you use the app, it's going
[01:19:49.440] to go everywhere all at once. So other
[01:19:51.600] people can capture it and say, "Hey,
[01:19:53.760] that's the same one I saw." You know,
[01:19:56.159] and maybe even apply some additional
[01:19:59.199] information to say, you know, here's
[01:20:01.760] what you're missing. Because if you
[01:20:02.960] looked at this corner, it's got this
[01:20:04.239] little dot on here. There's an exhaust
[01:20:06.000] thing here. There's this there. Maybe
[01:20:08.000] when we zoom in on it, we'll find it.
[01:20:10.320] But that's what the app is for. So, it's
[01:20:12.000] the Phenom thephen phenom.app. And if
[01:20:15.440] anybody needs to email me, I am
[01:20:18.800] loan@thephenom.app.
[01:20:22.560] And I'd love to hear from you because
[01:20:24.239] once it gets out the door, I'm pretty
[01:20:26.960] sure there's going to be smarter people
[01:20:28.400] than me looking at it going, "Well, why
[01:20:30.159] didn't they why didn't you do this?"
[01:20:31.990] [laughter] You know, you could have
[01:20:33.040] added that to the app. I am running at
[01:20:35.920] the end of the day. I'll just say this
[01:20:37.679] last part.
[01:20:39.679] Once we get enough outliers,
[01:20:42.400] the idea is to go to all the great
[01:20:44.239] beards. Jacques Valle,
[01:20:46.880] um, Dr. Put off, Dr. Davis,
[01:20:51.040] Stratton, all these guys, and put the
[01:20:53.840] the information down in front of them
[01:20:55.920] and show them what we've got and then
[01:20:58.640] they can decide, hey, hey, Logan, you
[01:21:00.400] should take that to Congress. Okay, then
[01:21:02.239] we'll do that. But I really want this
[01:21:04.960] for AC for the people and academia cuz I
[01:21:07.760] don't think we need the government to
[01:21:08.960] figure it out. I think we need us.
[01:21:11.440] >> And that's pretty much all I'll say.
[01:21:12.960] >> No, listen, amen to that. I'm right
[01:21:14.400] there with you. Disclosure, I think for
[01:21:16.640] millions, has already happened. And I
[01:21:18.640] think if we want to get any further with
[01:21:20.080] it, it's up to us. Uh, you know, quit
[01:21:23.120] waiting around for the government to
[01:21:24.320] hand you something.
[01:21:24.880] >> Yeah. We're the ones having the
[01:21:25.920] experience. Yeah. They don't want to
[01:21:27.040] tell us about theirs, but we can share
[01:21:28.400] our our experience.
[01:21:29.840] >> Yeah. Well, listen. And then you've Are
[01:21:31.600] you going to be at Phamicon in
[01:21:32.880] September?
[01:21:34.239] >> Yes.
[01:21:34.960] >> Okay. And I will be there as well. So,
[01:21:37.520] we'll definitely sync up out there.
[01:21:39.840] >> Um, and I'll bring you I'm going to
[01:21:41.600] bring a cool device I want you to look
[01:21:43.120] at, too, that Dr. Seagala has created.
[01:21:46.080] >> Oh, Mas.
[01:21:47.280] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[01:21:48.320] >> Oh, I know. I I know, Jim. We we we're
[01:21:50.400] talking about how to collaborate. I
[01:21:52.320] said, Jim, I said, I I I want to
[01:21:54.400] collaborate with you so badly, but I got
[01:21:56.880] to get my I got to get my ducks in the
[01:21:59.199] line for first and then we we can talk.
[01:22:01.600] So, yeah, I'm I'm eager to see it.
[01:22:03.199] >> Yeah, we'll we'll we'll have to And the
[01:22:05.360] Skin Walker guys, too. So, we'll have to
[01:22:06.960] figure out a way to put that to use when
[01:22:08.480] we're out there. Do some
[01:22:09.840] >> Yeah. Is your producer coming?
[01:22:11.360] >> Uh Ryan's not going to be coming. He's a
[01:22:13.760] man of many functions and many
[01:22:16.239] adventures and many
[01:22:17.600] >> too many horses.
[01:22:18.400] >> Too many horses.
[01:22:20.480] Too many horses. But I am bringing
[01:22:22.560] another cat that's uh you're going to
[01:22:24.320] love. So um
[01:22:26.000] >> yeah, I'm looking forward to it, man.
[01:22:27.440] >> We'll we'll we'll hook up then. I I'll
[01:22:29.760] be in touch with you. Before then, I'm
[01:22:31.040] sure to follow up on I got a few other
[01:22:32.800] questions offline to ask you over the
[01:22:35.440] next couple months. But listen, this has
[01:22:38.000] been enlightening, man. I really
[01:22:39.440] appreciate you and what you shared. And
[01:22:41.120] uh we'll hook up we'll hook up soon.
[01:22:43.920] >> All right. I very much appreciate it.
[01:22:46.560] Thank you. Thank you, Sound Man.
[01:22:48.239] >> Yeah, [laughter]
[01:22:51.679] >> you guys take care.
[01:22:52.639] >> All right, man. Till next time.
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