Joe Rogan Experience #2327 - AJ Gentile

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVOkGp5w14I
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• Channel: PowerfulJRE
• Publication date: 2025-05-27
• Speakers: AJ Gentile and Joe Rogan
• Related analysis: ../../topics/the-whistleblowers
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• Sourced: 2026-08-04

[00:00:01.920] Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe
[00:00:04.480] Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe
[00:00:07.200] Rogan podcast by night. All
[00:00:12.360] day forever. We're doing this. Yes.
[00:00:16.880] I'm glad you brought
[00:00:19.359] You did not have to do that. I
[00:00:21.840] appreciate it. I love your
[00:00:23.439] channel, dude. I've spent countless
[00:00:25.240] hours watching your hilarious videos. So
[00:00:28.880] cool that you've even found it. Well,
[00:00:31.519] you know, Gino told me about it a long
[00:00:33.280] Your brother Gino, who I've been friends
[00:00:34.719] with for years, told me about it a long
[00:00:36.480] time ago that you guys were doing this
[00:00:37.840] and I was like, really? All right,
[00:00:39.680] interesting. And then I watched I'm
[00:00:41.520] like, this is great. It's right
[00:00:43.920] up my alley. You would show clips all
[00:00:47.120] the time and it would drive Gino nuts.
[00:00:49.520] And then finally it it got named Reggie
[00:00:52.399] Watts was here and he's like, "You ever
[00:00:54.000] hear the Walls? You guys are talking
[00:00:55.199] about moonlanding shit." And you're
[00:00:56.960] like, "What's that?" And uh I don't
[00:00:59.359] know, a week or two later, Gina gets a
[00:01:01.120] text. Are you the Y files? He didn't
[00:01:03.520] tell me the name of it. He was so
[00:01:05.199] excited. Yeah, it's a great show, dude.
[00:01:07.760] It's like everything I'm fascinated by.
[00:01:11.080] Anunnaki, aliens, secret bases. How did
[00:01:15.360] you get involved with making a show like
[00:01:17.280] this?
[00:01:18.960] Is this something you've always been
[00:01:20.080] interested in? Alway.
[00:01:23.040] Yes. There he is. There he is. I mean,
[00:01:25.920] the goat. The goat.
[00:01:28.040] Um, dad was an overnight cop, so always
[00:01:30.720] overnight radio. So, it was always Dr.
[00:01:32.640] Dementoto. Yes, you remember him? And
[00:01:35.360] and Art Bell. So, kind of grew up with
[00:01:38.000] the weird stories. And it just got in
[00:01:39.759] the Twilight Zone. We watched as kids.
[00:01:41.439] It was like required watching from dad
[00:01:43.200] in the old black and whites, the
[00:01:44.640] classics. So, that was always in there.
[00:01:47.439] So, um I'll I'll skip 20 years. Uh we
[00:01:50.640] had a a podcasting studio in LA on
[00:01:52.720] Sunset. We were doing pretty well. uh
[00:01:55.439] hosting a lot of shows. Guys, you knew
[00:01:56.960] like when COVID hit, Kill Tony came and
[00:01:59.600] worked out of our studio. Jeremiah,
[00:02:02.000] Mezer, all all the guys didn't make any
[00:02:04.399] money, but it was a cool setup. But then
[00:02:06.240] they lock down the city
[00:02:08.200] impossibly and uh we didn't really know
[00:02:10.640] what to do. Then they set fire to the
[00:02:12.319] city somehow and uh the wife and I are
[00:02:15.440] racing down Hollywood Boulevard being
[00:02:16.959] chased by people with bats and and boxes
[00:02:19.520] of Adidas. And uh we were like, "This is
[00:02:22.319] this went this is too much." and we just
[00:02:24.400] started packing and that's it. We got
[00:02:26.239] out and I didn't know what to do. So,
[00:02:28.480] um, you know, I've been working in
[00:02:30.280] showbiz, not super successfully, like on
[00:02:33.200] the cusp, but I've been a professional
[00:02:35.519] host, editor, producer, writer for TV.
[00:02:38.400] So, I was like, YouTube, easy. I'm a
[00:02:40.959] natural. So, I started the channel
[00:02:42.879] talking about science and weird stuff.
[00:02:44.959] And it was the hardest thing I ever did.
[00:02:46.640] It was it was like impossible to do. Um,
[00:02:50.400] and I started out like following all the
[00:02:53.040] consultants. High energy, smash the
[00:02:54.959] like, be a YouTuber, top 10 list. And I
[00:02:58.000] did that for a little while. It's like,
[00:02:59.120] ah, no one's watching. This feels
[00:03:00.879] stupid. And then I just I said, "Fuck
[00:03:03.920] it. Let me just talk about the I
[00:03:05.200] want to talk about." So I I think I The
[00:03:07.840] first like good one was Operation High
[00:03:10.080] Jump. You know, Admiral Bird goes down
[00:03:11.920] to Antarctica with a with a armed fleet
[00:03:15.599] supposedly looking for a Nazi UFOs and
[00:03:18.879] it's a six-month mission and in like a
[00:03:20.879] few days they have to turn back and it's
[00:03:22.640] crazy stuff. So, I did that story and it
[00:03:24.959] got a you know I think I got 50,000
[00:03:26.640] views. I don't think I saw that one.
[00:03:28.800] It's an old one. What happened in
[00:03:30.319] Operation High Jump? All right. Admiral
[00:03:31.840] Bird goes down. This is just after the
[00:03:33.599] war. Remember the Nazis were were
[00:03:35.599] fleeing to South America. So, mostly
[00:03:38.000] Argentina. So, um, the Nazis had
[00:03:40.480] established or tried to establish a base
[00:03:42.239] in Antarctica. That's true. It's, uh,
[00:03:44.159] new Schwaban land. Now, people say they
[00:03:46.640] were trying to build a Nazi base and all
[00:03:48.879] that stuff. They were really just
[00:03:49.920] looking for a whailing station to get
[00:03:51.519] oil. So, Hitler didn't want to rely on
[00:03:53.680] outside sources. So, anyway, after the
[00:03:56.239] war, they go down there. We still don't
[00:03:57.920] really know specifically why. It was
[00:04:00.159] supposed to be just to see how our
[00:04:03.120] aircraft would operate in cold weather.
[00:04:06.799] That was what they said. But this was a
[00:04:08.640] fleet that was armed to the teeth. Like
[00:04:11.599] super like armed. The first helicopters
[00:04:13.920] were there, destroyers. So they go down
[00:04:16.639] there. It's supposed to be a multi a
[00:04:19.199] multi-month mission, maybe six months.
[00:04:21.759] They get down there and in like a matter
[00:04:24.240] of weeks, maybe even fewer, they just
[00:04:26.479] they just bail. And uh no one really
[00:04:29.199] knows why. There's a press contingent
[00:04:30.960] there. No one knows what's going on. And
[00:04:33.600] Admiral Bird starts giving these weird
[00:04:35.440] interviews. And the first one was in
[00:04:37.520] Spanish. It might have been a either
[00:04:39.440] Argentinian or Brazilian newspaper. And
[00:04:41.440] he talks about how there could be these
[00:04:43.280] craft that attack the United States from
[00:04:45.759] the polls and craft that can fly pole to
[00:04:48.560] pole. And people were like, "What is
[00:04:50.639] what's that?" And just sparked this
[00:04:53.199] crazy stuff. And you can hear him
[00:04:55.280] talking about these things. So high jump
[00:04:58.160] goes down there to look for stuff. We
[00:05:00.639] don't really know why they left. Admiral
[00:05:03.360] Bird was talking about these crafts.
[00:05:05.040] Admiral Richard Eird is famous guy. Flew
[00:05:08.000] the North Pole like a super badass. He
[00:05:11.280] was on paper the the commanding officer,
[00:05:13.919] but he preferred to just fly his plane
[00:05:16.240] and do stuff. So the legend is they get
[00:05:19.120] down there, Admiral Bird takes his
[00:05:20.880] plane, starts flying across Antarctica
[00:05:23.680] and sees patches of green. He doesn't
[00:05:27.120] can't believe it. And he's and he's on
[00:05:28.880] the radio saying, "I'm seeing this
[00:05:30.240] rolling hills, sun is shining. He keeps
[00:05:32.720] flying. It gets greener and greener and
[00:05:34.720] then he's like, "I just saw woolly
[00:05:36.880] mammoths." Woolly mammoths grazing in
[00:05:39.199] the green and he keeps going and he's on
[00:05:41.280] the radio and then he's talking. I'm
[00:05:43.120] seeing all this stuff. The sun is bright
[00:05:44.960] and then radio contact goes out. He's
[00:05:47.520] flying and flying. Suddenly he's
[00:05:48.880] engulfed in light and he doesn't know
[00:05:51.199] where he is. The the green is behind
[00:05:52.960] him. He's just flying in light just
[00:05:54.560] trying to get his bearings. And then up
[00:05:56.080] beside him, two flying saucers just kind
[00:05:59.440] of next to him. Almost like, you know,
[00:06:01.120] the F F-16s trying to wave you down. Two
[00:06:03.360] flying saucers. And he looks over and
[00:06:06.000] they have swastikas is on him. And he's
[00:06:08.240] like, uhoh. So he's on the stick and he
[00:06:10.560] feels the stick shaking and then the
[00:06:12.880] stick just goes dead and then he goes
[00:06:15.919] down with the UFOs and they just land
[00:06:18.880] into a cavern in the hollow earth.
[00:06:22.000] Right. So that's how that happens. And
[00:06:23.840] they take Admiral Bird out and they're
[00:06:26.639] tall aliens. The nor like with swastikas
[00:06:29.919] on their crafts on the crafts like the
[00:06:33.919] ancient symbol. I don't know. Which
[00:06:36.639] would be reversed, right? Well, I think
[00:06:39.199] there was a bunch of different versions.
[00:06:40.720] I think the Nazi one it was like kind of
[00:06:42.880] tilted. Yes. But there was a bunch of
[00:06:44.639] the Hindu ones and a lot of the Japanese
[00:06:46.880] ones for thousands of years. Yeah. A
[00:06:49.919] positive symbol of life and prosperity.
[00:06:53.199] We don't know how they were oriented
[00:06:54.960] because I debunked all this. I'm telling
[00:06:56.720] you the legend, right? Because that's
[00:06:58.479] kind of my format, right? I get I get
[00:07:00.479] you excited. Would you explain that to
[00:07:01.840] people? You get everybody all jazzed up
[00:07:04.000] and then at the end you kind of I get so
[00:07:05.840] much heat for it. Yeah. It's fun. Um and
[00:07:08.400] I watch the numbers like as soon as I
[00:07:10.000] say, "But is it true?" Like everyone's
[00:07:12.479] done. Nobody wants to know the truth.
[00:07:14.560] Nobody wants to know. They want to know
[00:07:16.000] fun. And then I'll get the hate mail.
[00:07:17.759] You ruined it for me. So what is the
[00:07:19.759] truth? The the truth is a lot of that
[00:07:21.919] comes from Admiral Bird's diary which
[00:07:23.919] was discovered years later which was not
[00:07:25.759] his diary. Oh,
[00:07:29.240] rightit. Horseshit. And and he he flew
[00:07:33.120] the North Pole, not the South Pole. But
[00:07:35.520] here's the interesting thing. He was in
[00:07:37.199] a single man aircraft. It only had so
[00:07:39.199] much fuel. He was which can only fly for
[00:07:42.800] a little bit. He was out of radio
[00:07:44.560] contact for three hours. Nobody knows
[00:07:46.000] where he went.
[00:07:47.919] What was his take on it? it. We don't
[00:07:50.560] really know. That's kind of So, it's
[00:07:52.160] just he went radio silent for three
[00:07:53.599] hours. The legend grew. It's like he did
[00:07:56.240] that interview as soon as they got back
[00:07:57.919] and then something must have happened
[00:07:59.520] because he got real quiet. But he would
[00:08:01.919] go on TV and he would talk. But the
[00:08:04.560] poleto- pole thing was he was just
[00:08:06.240] warning that the poles are a vulnerable
[00:08:08.720] space. Like we need to keep an eye on
[00:08:10.240] the North Pole because if there's a base
[00:08:11.840] on North or South Pole, you can attack
[00:08:13.919] from there. So, let's keep an eye on
[00:08:15.199] that. Was kind of his point. H the the
[00:08:17.919] Antarctica situation is very strange cuz
[00:08:20.400] uh I don't know if you ever saw the
[00:08:21.520] Shawn Ryan show where he talked to this
[00:08:24.080] guy that worked with the nutrino
[00:08:27.039] detector down there and he was Yeah.
[00:08:29.680] Have you seen that? I haven't seen Shawn
[00:08:31.280] do it, but I know the guy. And the guy
[00:08:33.039] was saying that it's not just a nutrino
[00:08:35.519] detector, it's a direct energy weapon
[00:08:37.200] that can cause earthquakes. And this is
[00:08:40.240] like the DEWs.
[00:08:43.360] US has always been fascinated direct
[00:08:45.279] energy. That's where the like the HARP
[00:08:47.839] conspiracies come from and all of that
[00:08:51.640] and if if you don't know what HAP is,
[00:08:54.160] that's the high altitude auroral
[00:08:56.000] research project is just this array of
[00:08:57.680] intent is in Alaska that's built by the
[00:08:59.839] US government to study the ionosphere,
[00:09:02.560] but for some reason it cost hundreds of
[00:09:05.120] millions of dollars. And when you look
[00:09:06.320] at it, you're like, where' the money go?
[00:09:08.399] It's like a building's a box and it's a
[00:09:10.240] bunch of antennas. Where I'm getting at
[00:09:12.640] is it this is a this is a an array that
[00:09:16.080] can ionize parts of the
[00:09:17.800] atmosphere. So I did an episode on
[00:09:19.920] project blue beam which is a conspiracy
[00:09:22.480] about how the United Nations the or the
[00:09:27.360] shadow government will create these
[00:09:29.040] holograms in the sky and that will force
[00:09:32.800] one world government. We can get into it
[00:09:34.080] if you want to. Yeah. But I kind of
[00:09:35.760] debunk it saying um holograms need a
[00:09:38.800] substrate. you know, you need clouds,
[00:09:41.680] glass is really what you need. But then
[00:09:44.959] the the technology has gotten to the
[00:09:46.959] point where you can ionize atmosphere
[00:09:50.640] and create things in the atmosphere. So
[00:09:54.160] something like HARP conceivably could
[00:09:58.080] create something up there, something
[00:10:00.240] visual, something visual. And I've heard
[00:10:02.880] people say that, you know, the UAP's
[00:10:05.080] UFOs may not be real. It could just be
[00:10:07.920] holograms for some reason. I heard that,
[00:10:10.000] too. Yeah. Or a combination of many
[00:10:13.360] different things. Yes. I think it's
[00:10:14.720] probably a lot of different factors that
[00:10:16.240] people are seeing. You know, we I was
[00:10:18.079] watching a video the other day. I'm not
[00:10:19.600] sure if it's real, but I put it on my
[00:10:21.279] Instagram anyway on my my story because
[00:10:23.519] it was just fun of ball lightning, which
[00:10:25.920] is real, but this ball lightning was
[00:10:28.079] moving around a parking lot and it was
[00:10:29.519] extraordinary.
[00:10:31.279] Is this one? This is the plasma lasers
[00:10:33.839] that the Navy apparently has the ability
[00:10:36.079] to make some stuff like this 3D images
[00:10:38.079] in the air. And yeah, it can also make
[00:10:40.640] them make sounds somehow too, which is
[00:10:42.079] an interesting Well, because you're just
[00:10:43.440] vibrating air molecules. So, in Project
[00:10:45.680] Blue Beam, the the energy comes from
[00:10:48.320] from a satellite array. So, can
[00:10:50.959] satellites do that yet? If it can, they
[00:10:53.279] won't tell us. But that could be a way
[00:10:56.480] where you could throw off the enemy or
[00:10:59.440] freak people out and pretend that
[00:11:01.600] there's some sort of an alien invasion.
[00:11:03.200] It's really just a hologram. Really just
[00:11:04.880] a hologram. And that's you know that's
[00:11:06.800] blue beam is supposed
[00:11:08.600] to get rid of religion because what will
[00:11:11.600] happen according to the legend is the
[00:11:13.760] hollow rooms will manifest as whatever
[00:11:15.519] deity is dominant in the area whether
[00:11:17.920] it's Jesus or Buddha who whomever and
[00:11:20.560] atheists will see different things and
[00:11:23.200] people will just freak out. um na
[00:11:26.160] nationalism will go away. Atheists will
[00:11:28.480] see different things like why? Because
[00:11:31.839] according to the legend the the array or
[00:11:36.079] with the technology would will
[00:11:37.360] manipulate your mind. Again harp has
[00:11:39.279] been accused of this because you can
[00:11:40.800] manipulate someone's mind with
[00:11:41.920] electromagnetic frequencies at the right
[00:11:43.920] frequencies. So they could just tell you
[00:11:45.920] to see something. So like that specific
[00:11:49.040] that specific allegedly. Now, I I debunk
[00:11:52.160] a lot of it because because uh this
[00:11:54.240] story originally came from um a Canadian
[00:11:56.320] journalist named Serge Manass.
[00:11:57.920] Fascinating figure. He comes out with
[00:12:00.079] this theory that's that's bonkers and
[00:12:02.640] then the Canadian government takes his
[00:12:04.000] kids away because they're homeschooled.
[00:12:05.920] He he gets harassed by authorities. He
[00:12:08.079] gets hauled off to jail for spreading uh
[00:12:10.440] disinformation, dies of a heart attack
[00:12:12.320] the next day. So then of course that's
[00:12:14.320] just like that lights the fuse. So now
[00:12:16.399] it's like what what did he find? So, and
[00:12:19.839] he talked very publicly about all of
[00:12:21.720] this. So, that's that's supposedly how
[00:12:24.560] it happens is they manipulate our minds.
[00:12:26.240] They show us what we want to see. And
[00:12:28.000] then it's not like we won't resist
[00:12:30.600] authority. We'll beg for it. We'll just
[00:12:33.040] beg to take take our freedom, take our
[00:12:35.040] rights, keep us safe. Whoa. Because
[00:12:37.839] something huge is happening and we need
[00:12:39.920] to consolidate. I feel like that's what
[00:12:42.560] would happen.
[00:12:44.320] Well, I'm sure you've seen the how put
[00:12:46.160] off thing. Did you see when how put off
[00:12:48.720] how put off George Bush um during his
[00:12:52.160] presidency they floated the idea of
[00:12:54.560] disclosure? Did you ever see this? I
[00:12:56.240] didn't see it but I know how it's worked
[00:12:57.360] very well. So what h what house said was
[00:13:00.560] he and several other scientists were
[00:13:02.560] brought aboard and they were given a
[00:13:04.399] task of writing pros and cons to
[00:13:07.040] disclosure. what are the things that are
[00:13:08.720] going to be disrupted and what are the
[00:13:10.320] things that's going to benefit the soci
[00:13:11.680] society and attach a numerical value to
[00:13:13.680] each thing and all the scientists at the
[00:13:15.839] end of the day showed that the numerical
[00:13:18.000] value for con was far higher like it was
[00:13:22.079] going to cause much more disruption than
[00:13:23.920] it would be beneficial and so they
[00:13:25.760] decided not to disclose but what they
[00:13:27.920] were telling how was this was what what
[00:13:30.880] you were planning for was retrieved
[00:13:34.959] crafts not of this world n biological
[00:13:38.800] entities that the United States
[00:13:40.639] government is in possession of. Should
[00:13:42.720] we disclose this? Right. I think I I've
[00:13:45.440] definitely heard that. I don't know if
[00:13:47.040] is that connected to the Brookings
[00:13:48.480] report if I'm getting that correct.
[00:13:49.920] Which one's that? I forget when it would
[00:13:52.320] even come out. Um here's all the Cas.
[00:13:55.600] I'm an expert on nothing. I don't know
[00:13:57.120] anything. I tell stories. Me, too.
[00:14:00.120] Okay. How can you talk about Planet Sero
[00:14:02.880] if you've never been? Look, I've just I
[00:14:06.240] just like this. I just All due respect,
[00:14:09.279] that's going to go on forever. Forever.
[00:14:11.600] You've never been. I've never been. Um I
[00:14:15.199] hope he's okay. Douglas Murray's a lot
[00:14:16.959] of fun. Oh, he's great. Um yeah, so I'm
[00:14:19.680] not an expert at anything. So I don't
[00:14:20.959] know when Brookings was, but it was the
[00:14:22.320] same thing. It was a recommendation from
[00:14:23.920] the government that look, that was in
[00:14:25.519] 1960. 1960. Uh same thing. Well, I don't
[00:14:28.240] know about the exact same thing, but uh
[00:14:30.320] proposed studies of the implications of
[00:14:31.839] peaceful space activities for human
[00:14:34.600] affairs commissioned by NASA and created
[00:14:36.880] by the Brookings Institute collaboration
[00:14:39.360] long-range study. Same result. Don't do
[00:14:41.839] it. Yeah, I think they're probably
[00:14:43.839] right, but also I want to know. Well,
[00:14:47.160] that's that's put puts us in a pickle, I
[00:14:50.160] think,
[00:14:51.880] is let's say it's real. I I want to
[00:14:55.440] know, too. Mhm. But I don't want the
[00:14:57.600] Chinese to know, and I don't want I
[00:14:59.519] definitely don't want Iran to know. So,
[00:15:01.519] I understand. Why do you not want them
[00:15:02.959] to know? Maybe we could all get along if
[00:15:05.279] we realize that there's actual aliens
[00:15:07.600] that are visiting us. I mean, wasn't
[00:15:09.040] that the Ronald Reagan speech in front
[00:15:10.399] of the UN? You've seen that, right?
[00:15:11.839] Sure. Yeah. The famous speech. But
[00:15:14.399] wasn't the SDI part of that speech is
[00:15:17.120] we'll all get along, but we're going to
[00:15:18.320] have laser weapons in space just in case
[00:15:20.320] we don't. Wasn't that that same? It
[00:15:22.560] might not have been, but it was about
[00:15:23.680] that same time. And that was all smoke
[00:15:26.399] and mirrors, you know? Right. The Star
[00:15:27.600] Wars thing was fake, right? Couldn't get
[00:15:29.040] it to work. Yeah, it was all fake.
[00:15:31.760] So, maybe we'll all get along. Boy, that
[00:15:33.839] sounds nice. But, you know, Iran
[00:15:36.199] produces brilliant people, so
[00:15:38.720] intelligent, great engineers, doctors,
[00:15:40.959] all of that. But the government is
[00:15:42.480] bananas. Yeah. So, you I mean, you don't
[00:15:45.519] want to have brilliant scientists
[00:15:47.040] working like that. I mean, we had
[00:15:49.040] brilliant scientists working for
[00:15:50.240] dictators in the past and it was not
[00:15:51.920] awesome, right? So, like the Nazis.
[00:15:54.800] That's who I mean. Yeah. Yeah. That's
[00:15:56.880] who I mean. So, yeah, it's really
[00:15:59.040] sketchy if they get the technology,
[00:16:02.320] right? Well, this is what Hal Putoff
[00:16:04.079] said. He said that the government of the
[00:16:06.320] United States has at least 10 of these
[00:16:09.279] things. And I said, "Well, other
[00:16:10.639] governments have them." He said, "Yes."
[00:16:12.240] And I said, "Do they have similar
[00:16:14.240] numbers?" He's like, "We believe so." So
[00:16:17.279] they don't know. So essentially what he
[00:16:19.440] was kind of alluding to is that there's
[00:16:21.360] basically like a kind of Manhattan
[00:16:23.279] project to try to backgineer these
[00:16:24.959] things and whoever figures it out first
[00:16:27.680] is going to have a massive advantage,
[00:16:29.920] right?
[00:16:31.519] And it would be nice if it was us. It
[00:16:33.199] would be nice. Halpov has been connected
[00:16:35.040] to a lot of disinformation campaigns. Um
[00:16:39.040] I love the guy and his work, but he has
[00:16:40.800] been connected to disinformation
[00:16:42.160] campaigns with known disinformation.
[00:16:44.720] Think about what what subjects
[00:16:47.040] about disclosure like you heard the name
[00:16:48.720] Richard Dodie. Yes. Okay. So I mean want
[00:16:52.160] some coffee? Yeah, let's have some
[00:16:53.600] coffee. I'm off booze right now for
[00:16:57.759] forever. No, not for Cheers. I just
[00:17:00.560] needed a break. It was becoming a little
[00:17:02.320] bit Me too. Like a habit. You too? Yeah.
[00:17:05.360] I've been off for two and a half months.
[00:17:06.799] Maybe even a little more now. Yeah. I I
[00:17:09.839] just for I just decided one day I'm
[00:17:12.439] done. And then I feel great. feel
[00:17:15.760] better. Oh my god. Think clearer. Wake
[00:17:17.760] up feeling better. I have a nightclub.
[00:17:19.360] So I'm I'm at my nightclub, my comedy
[00:17:21.360] club all the time. And you know,
[00:17:22.959] everybody's buying shots and you want a
[00:17:24.880] beer, you want this, that after a while
[00:17:27.039] you're like, "God, I feel like shit."
[00:17:28.480] Yeah, you do. You know, but I'm It's
[00:17:30.960] like the illusion is you won't have fun.
[00:17:32.640] I'm having the same amount of fun. It's
[00:17:34.400] so much fun. Of course. And because I
[00:17:36.880] get I can I'm funnier because I know
[00:17:39.440] what I'm talking about. Yes. And I'm not
[00:17:41.200] embarrassed the next day. You just It
[00:17:43.039] just doesn't kill your inhibitions. But
[00:17:44.799] that's it's overrated. It is. It's fun.
[00:17:49.039] I've had a good time boozing. But yeah,
[00:17:51.679] enough. I'm allowed to go back at the
[00:17:53.760] first of the month. Okay. I just needed
[00:17:56.559] You need to quit vices once in a while.
[00:17:58.880] If anything, just to should prove that
[00:18:00.640] you can. Yes. Yeah. It's a good thing
[00:18:03.120] just to prove that's not doesn't have as
[00:18:05.440] hooks in you, right? Yeah. I can quit
[00:18:07.280] whenever I want. It's I know. But can
[00:18:09.679] you I've taken a few days off of social
[00:18:11.360] media and I always feel better but I
[00:18:12.880] always go right back in. I don't I don't
[00:18:14.799] know why I hardly ever look at it. I
[00:18:17.200] It's a just a massive distraction. Like
[00:18:19.600] I don't read anything about myself but
[00:18:21.360] I'm always but more so I'm always
[00:18:24.240] looking at but I find a lot of
[00:18:25.679] interesting things too especially on
[00:18:27.280] Instagram but more so now than ever my
[00:18:30.160] screen time on my phone is dedicated to
[00:18:32.320] YouTube. It's like when I come home,
[00:18:34.640] especially at the end of the night, come
[00:18:36.640] back from the club, I'm tired. I want
[00:18:39.200] nonsense. I want Bigfoot. Same. I don't
[00:18:43.520] want to think too hard. I want, you
[00:18:46.160] know, I want, you know, Bob Lazar. I
[00:18:49.520] want Bigfoot. I I want, you know,
[00:18:52.240] ancient civilizations. It's just me and
[00:18:54.320] the dog watching TV. Yeah. You know,
[00:18:56.720] everyone's asleep. That's That's my
[00:18:59.039] favorite. Cuz no booze for me doesn't
[00:19:01.120] mean no gummies. So, okay. So, a half a
[00:19:04.000] gummy in a Bigfoot episode. I'm having a
[00:19:06.400] great time. That's the one that I wish
[00:19:07.919] was real, but I'm 99% sure it's horshit.
[00:19:10.880] Same. But I also wonder I wonder
[00:19:15.160] like I wonder if under certain
[00:19:19.320] conditions it's real. Like this is my
[00:19:22.320] thought. This is going to sound
[00:19:24.240] squirrely. I think under heightened
[00:19:26.640] states of anxiety and fear, when you're
[00:19:29.600] alone in the woods, maybe it's possible
[00:19:34.000] that the barrier between dimensions is
[00:19:37.280] slippery and you can see things that you
[00:19:39.919] would ordinarily never see. Like it
[00:19:42.240] might not even be as simple as this is a
[00:19:44.320] biological creature that lives here on
[00:19:46.559] Earth with us, but no one's ever found a
[00:19:48.559] body. It might be weirder than that. It
[00:19:51.679] might be these are some sort of homminid
[00:19:54.799] from somewhere else that can can appear.
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[00:20:36.640] your first purchase. Native American
[00:20:38.960] legends say exactly that that it's this
[00:20:41.520] creature that lives between worlds and
[00:20:43.600] same with giants as well. They have the
[00:20:45.360] legends of the redhaired giants that
[00:20:46.880] were chased west. I'm glad we're getting
[00:20:48.640] to that. We're getting giants. Yeah,
[00:20:50.480] because the giants thing is weird when
[00:20:52.080] you go into the story and I watched your
[00:20:53.520] episode on giants. I loved it. Uh maybe
[00:20:55.840] it was the Smithsonian. Oh, that was
[00:20:58.559] Yeah, that was GE King Cade and the
[00:20:59.840] Smithsonian cover up. Yes, Grand Canyon.
[00:21:02.159] That's a good story. Well, the whole
[00:21:03.440] Grand Canyon thing is bananas. Like
[00:21:05.760] there's areas of the Grand Canyon you
[00:21:07.840] cannot explore. You cannot go you cannot
[00:21:11.120] fly over, right? Um and you can't fly
[00:21:13.760] under the rim. Yet when you go to those
[00:21:16.000] bad places, suddenly a white plane flies
[00:21:18.799] over under the rim. Black helicopters
[00:21:20.799] show up. I show it on my episode. I show
[00:21:22.400] the black helicopters showing up like
[00:21:24.240] it's they do show. Yeah. Like they are
[00:21:27.679] protecting something something. It's not
[00:21:30.240] as simple as this is a dangerous area
[00:21:32.240] because you can go to any dangerous
[00:21:33.520] area. You go just to the normal tourist
[00:21:35.919] area, it's like be careful. People fall.
[00:21:38.159] Two people a year fall. Yeah. Someone
[00:21:40.320] fell recently. Yeah. An influencer of
[00:21:43.679] course taking a selfie.
[00:21:46.480] But the um Grand Canyon there there's
[00:21:50.480] been these crazy stories of people
[00:21:52.720] finding these like
[00:21:54.200] Egyptian these caverns with like
[00:21:56.720] Egyptian artwork and hieroglyphics
[00:21:59.400] and these stories of artifacts that have
[00:22:03.120] been removed from there. So the story is
[00:22:06.000] um it shows up I believe in like the
[00:22:07.760] Phoenix Gazette. It's 1903 or so and the
[00:22:10.960] explorer is GE Concincaid and he's going
[00:22:12.960] down. He's a He's looking for gold
[00:22:14.960] deposits or whatever. This is um just
[00:22:17.280] before Rose uh Teddy Roosevelt made the
[00:22:19.120] Grand Canyon a preserve. He was a
[00:22:20.720] naturalist. So, he finds these steps
[00:22:23.760] that are clearly man-made. He follows
[00:22:25.440] the steps up and there's a cave and he
[00:22:27.200] goes in there and he describes
[00:22:29.600] hieroglyphics that look Egyptian but are
[00:22:31.919] not quite. He finds a statue that he
[00:22:34.000] describes as like Buddha like, not
[00:22:36.159] Egyptian, not human, but sort of like
[00:22:38.000] Buddha. and all these weapons, shields,
[00:22:41.919] gold, all sorts of stuff. He keeps
[00:22:43.440] going. He finds a deserted city in the
[00:22:45.679] caves and all these tunnels and caverns
[00:22:48.159] go everywhere. And he's trying to map
[00:22:49.520] everything. He comes out and he goes
[00:22:51.760] back to town and he gathers together a
[00:22:54.080] group that we're going to go, we're
[00:22:55.840] going to go find the stuff again. And
[00:22:58.240] people are are excited about it. And a
[00:23:00.640] couple of weeks go by and everyone's
[00:23:02.240] gathered to go on the expedition. He
[00:23:04.159] never shows. The expedition goes
[00:23:05.919] nowhere. And that's really the last
[00:23:07.039] we've heard of it. Well, and is there
[00:23:10.000] any photographs or anything? No, there
[00:23:12.799] never is of this stuff, right? Just
[00:23:14.640] descriptions. Just and a just a great
[00:23:17.120] story. Well, the great part of the story
[00:23:18.799] is the fact that you actually can't go
[00:23:20.559] there. And the just that the idea that
[00:23:22.960] there's an area where the military is
[00:23:25.280] protecting people from being foolish.
[00:23:26.960] That doesn't make any sense. Nobody asks
[00:23:29.120] why, right? Like nobody asks why. It
[00:23:32.320] really bothers me about about that story
[00:23:34.480] and all of these whether it's disclosure
[00:23:36.159] or whatever. I don't hear anyone asking
[00:23:38.320] why. Well, they won't let us. Well,
[00:23:40.320] who's they? Someone's in charge of stuff
[00:23:42.799] that's not the president, right? Or
[00:23:45.480] Congress. So, who who is it? So, you
[00:23:49.200] know, is it possible there's some sort
[00:23:50.960] of a government installation down there
[00:23:52.720] somewhere? You know, it's it's all going
[00:23:55.840] to be woowoo conspiracy stuff or or it's
[00:23:58.480] real or gee Kade found something and
[00:24:01.600] someone got to him. But if GE King Kade
[00:24:03.840] found something, why would they want to
[00:24:05.679] hide some ancient civilization discovery
[00:24:08.559] particularly in the early 1900s?
[00:24:11.279] Like why? For what reason? I I don't
[00:24:13.520] know why Graham Hancock is marginalized
[00:24:16.880] now. Right. But that wouldn't you think
[00:24:19.039] that there's like less of a grip on that
[00:24:21.440] stuff in the 1900s, early 1900s? I would
[00:24:24.320] think so. Yeah. So, my guess would be
[00:24:26.559] treasure and money. That would be my
[00:24:28.559] guess is it shows up in the paper mill.
[00:24:31.679] Uh the government goes down there like
[00:24:33.200] there's a lot of stuff down here. Let's
[00:24:34.720] grab it. Uh send it to the Smithsonian
[00:24:37.120] who keeps 99% of the stuff under wraps.
[00:24:39.520] They have, you know, a billion items
[00:24:40.880] that nobody can see. And then that's the
[00:24:43.039] end of it. But what the which I I
[00:24:46.880] would love to know the official reason.
[00:24:48.880] See if you can Google. Is there an
[00:24:51.039] official reason why you're not allowed
[00:24:52.799] to go to certain areas of the Grand
[00:24:54.000] Canyon? They use a VPN there, brother.
[00:24:56.960] The story I was looking at a article
[00:24:59.120] about the original article and it says
[00:25:01.279] that the two guys mentioned might not
[00:25:03.279] have even existed,
[00:25:05.080] right? There's no evidence of them. GE
[00:25:08.080] Concincaid and another guy named SA
[00:25:09.840] Jordan. Oh, so it might be just a story
[00:25:11.840] that someone printed some horseshit.
[00:25:13.840] I've when I was looking into one of
[00:25:15.360] these things before, I found a something
[00:25:17.440] explaining that back in the like early
[00:25:19.200] 1900s when newspapers were a really
[00:25:21.039] popular thing to read. I don't know if
[00:25:23.200] it was like a a game or there was actual
[00:25:25.279] prizes people would play or like amongst
[00:25:27.440] themselves to try to get fake stories
[00:25:28.960] printed. Um, you if you could get the
[00:25:30.880] craziest story printed, you win like 500
[00:25:32.640] bucks. Or I might be wrong, but I think
[00:25:34.799] Jordan was connected to the Smithsonian.
[00:25:37.200] At least according to I pulled this from
[00:25:40.240] the Smithsonian debunk, which I mean
[00:25:42.159] obviously they would if this is the way
[00:25:43.440] we're going to go with it. But them
[00:25:44.720] debunking this and they gave two links.
[00:25:47.520] One to the original 1909 article and one
[00:25:50.320] to a 2008 update. And that's where I was
[00:25:52.080] pulling that from. I don't trust the
[00:25:53.440] Smithsonian. They're exempt from all
[00:25:55.200] kinds of stuff. Yeah. Well, like you're
[00:25:57.440] there's a law passed not too long ago
[00:25:59.120] that if you have Native American
[00:26:00.320] artifacts that are important to that
[00:26:01.840] culture, especially burial artifacts,
[00:26:03.520] they must be returned. Unless you're the
[00:26:06.360] Smithsonian, then you're hold then you
[00:26:08.720] can make you can make a case that you
[00:26:10.000] don't have to give it back. How do they
[00:26:11.279] have so much power? I they're it's a
[00:26:13.840] government agency. The Smithsonian is a
[00:26:15.760] government Oh, I didn't even know. I
[00:26:17.120] thought it was a private agency. So,
[00:26:19.440] there's no official story as to why this
[00:26:22.240] area of the Grand Canyon is off limits.
[00:26:24.400] for your safety zone they call it. Yeah,
[00:26:26.960] it's all I can find. That's
[00:26:28.640] weird. That's weird that this
[00:26:32.159] story comes from the very area that's
[00:26:34.480] forbidden. That's weird. I think
[00:26:36.880] what are the odds? I don't believe in
[00:26:39.360] coincidences.
[00:26:41.000] So, it a lot of these stories come from
[00:26:43.679] places you just can't go. Has anybody
[00:26:45.520] tried to hike in all the time? Raft in.
[00:26:49.039] Yeah. Did they get busted? And busted.
[00:26:51.120] Yeah. And arrested. Really?
[00:26:54.480] You could find you could find online. I
[00:26:56.400] wish I knew the names um of a team that
[00:26:59.120] that went up there. That's who found the
[00:27:00.480] black helicopters. And uh I use them in
[00:27:02.720] the video and uh and I credit them so
[00:27:05.120] you can find their videos. We're up
[00:27:06.799] they're up there for an hour, hour and a
[00:27:08.159] half uh trying to trying to find stuff.
[00:27:10.320] And what they found up in that forbidden
[00:27:12.000] zone is anchored into the ground a giant
[00:27:15.600] hook or like a loop. Yeah. Like what
[00:27:18.320] would you use that for? And that would
[00:27:19.600] be to repel down. That's the only reason
[00:27:22.400] that would be there. There's no
[00:27:23.919] explanation for what is this. They also
[00:27:25.440] found artifacts from that era, from the
[00:27:27.760] early 1900s, artifacts that people were
[00:27:29.840] there. So, it's possible that they
[00:27:32.480] repelled like they might have been
[00:27:33.919] standing right above that entrance. And
[00:27:36.960] there are reverse angles of that rock
[00:27:38.640] face that look a little weird. It could
[00:27:41.520] be paridolia, but it What's with
[00:27:43.520] paridolia? Paridolia is the is the
[00:27:46.559] mind's ability to see objects in random
[00:27:50.080] noise. You know, it's something we
[00:27:51.760] evolved to, you know, to see predators
[00:27:53.840] in the forest. That's why if you see a
[00:27:56.000] cloud that looks like a Abraham Lincoln,
[00:27:58.240] right? Right. It's not Abraham Lincoln,
[00:27:59.919] you know. It's it's paridolia.
[00:28:02.799] But um but debunkers will always fall on
[00:28:05.120] paridolia. So So like the real
[00:28:07.279] believers, they hate that word. God,
[00:28:09.120] that would be imagine everything would
[00:28:11.600] have to be re
[00:28:13.480] rewritten if they found some evidence of
[00:28:16.320] a a lost civilization with no connection
[00:28:18.799] to any known civilization that was
[00:28:21.200] advanced that was living in the Grand
[00:28:23.520] Canyon. Did you ever think about going
[00:28:26.159] to the Grand Canyon to go and just be an
[00:28:29.919] outlaw and go see? How would you get in
[00:28:32.720] though? I mean, if they have black
[00:28:35.200] helicopters and they're scanning the sky
[00:28:37.360] or scanning the ground with some sort of
[00:28:39.520] a drone or a plane,
[00:28:43.520] we go in, we live. Are you planning
[00:28:45.679] something? No, no, no. Hold on. No. What
[00:28:47.279] should we do? I don't have I don't have
[00:28:49.200] a contract. All right. So, this is
[00:28:52.399] already dangerous me sitting here. Um,
[00:28:54.960] but I got your back if I go. Yeah.
[00:28:59.039] Because even if they drag you out,
[00:29:02.080] questions have to have to be posed,
[00:29:04.240] right? Why couldn't I go there? What
[00:29:06.080] What did he do wrong? Well, he violated
[00:29:07.679] this area. Okay. Well, how come? Yeah.
[00:29:10.159] Well, what when you think about how
[00:29:12.240] dangerous the Grand Canyon is overall,
[00:29:14.960] there's not a safe area. It's literally
[00:29:17.520] a canyon. You could fall at any of a
[00:29:20.799] million spots along the way to your
[00:29:23.200] death. Have you been there? Yes. Unbel
[00:29:26.799] it's it's incredible. You couldn't paint
[00:29:29.279] a better picture. But as you get closer
[00:29:31.039] to that edge, you can feel your your
[00:29:33.200] amygdala going, "Oh, back up." Yeah.
[00:29:36.000] Like it's seriously dangerous. Yeah.
[00:29:38.600] Yeah. Uh God, the problem is I want to
[00:29:42.799] believe with all these things. Yeah.
[00:29:45.440] Same. Most people that enjoy your show
[00:29:48.159] want to believe. That's why it's so fun.
[00:29:50.080] And I don't believe most of the stuff I
[00:29:52.559] talk about. But when I approach a story,
[00:29:55.600] I try to find as much evidence as I can
[00:29:58.159] to support it. And I also want to find
[00:30:00.159] the other side so that what we're left
[00:30:02.440] with is some truth. And not all stories
[00:30:06.640] can be fully debunked. And I I've had my
[00:30:08.320] mind flipped a couple of times. You
[00:30:09.679] know, Crop Circles, Hollow Moon, some
[00:30:11.679] really crazy have flipped me
[00:30:13.760] around. Crop Circles is a weird one. So
[00:30:16.080] weird. It's a a weird one because when I
[00:30:18.880] first saw them, I'm like, what is that?
[00:30:21.039] And then I saw that these guys were
[00:30:22.960] doing them with boards and string. I was
[00:30:24.880] like, "Oh, it's just people being
[00:30:26.640] silly." And then I watched a whole
[00:30:28.240] documentary about how the energy that
[00:30:32.240] bent these things over caused these
[00:30:34.159] nodes to explode as if they had been
[00:30:36.480] cooked in a microwave. Correct. What?
[00:30:38.480] And then you find out that the actual
[00:30:40.720] stalks are woven together. Correct. It's
[00:30:43.760] not that they're pressed down. They're
[00:30:45.520] woven together. and that these are
[00:30:48.080] complex
[00:30:49.559] geometric designs that would have taken
[00:30:52.640] people weeks to map out and and and
[00:30:55.840] there's no footprints leading up to it.
[00:30:57.600] There's no roads, no machinery, no
[00:31:00.159] evidence of any use of any kind of
[00:31:02.080] machinery. And these things appear like
[00:31:04.640] that, like people have flown over an
[00:31:06.720] area and then flown back an hour or two
[00:31:09.200] later and there's immense football field
[00:31:12.720] size perfect geometry that no one can
[00:31:16.799] explain how it was created. Correct. So,
[00:31:19.200] so the nodes in the stalks, a node is
[00:31:20.960] like a knuckle on your fingers. So,
[00:31:23.039] these those are there for photo tropism
[00:31:27.679] to bend toward light. So, what you're
[00:31:30.159] talking about is these things are bent
[00:31:31.279] over. They're bent over at right angles.
[00:31:32.640] It can only be done with high energy.
[00:31:34.799] But also around these crop circles,
[00:31:36.640] they're
[00:31:37.399] finding microscopic metallic spheroids
[00:31:41.519] in around the circles. And that's not a
[00:31:43.519] conspiracy theory. They're finding them.
[00:31:45.600] And there there are these mag magnetic
[00:31:48.000] fields around the circles. And you can
[00:31:50.640] see videos online of people going into
[00:31:52.320] these crop circles and their their hands
[00:31:54.480] start to get red. Things are happening
[00:31:56.880] to them. So I went into crop circles
[00:31:59.200] thinking it was all guys with boards.
[00:32:00.880] Mhm. But then when you watch people with
[00:32:02.559] boards making a crop circle, it's a
[00:32:04.640] mess. They can't do this.
[00:32:07.360] And you cannot bend the nodes of reads
[00:32:10.480] and weave them together in a perfect.
[00:32:12.320] You can't do it. So that was as I'm
[00:32:15.440] doing the research, I'm like, all right,
[00:32:17.200] 99% of them are fake, but there's this
[00:32:19.279] 1% that I cannot explain. The famous
[00:32:22.720] video where you see the orbs circling
[00:32:24.880] around the field in England and then the
[00:32:26.559] crop circle slowly starts to emerge. Has
[00:32:29.039] that been debunked? semi. It's
[00:32:31.200] controversial because the the guy
[00:32:33.200] released that video, I don't know his
[00:32:34.399] name offhand, allegedly went to a visual
[00:32:38.960] effects house. Oh boy. And and released
[00:32:41.519] it. But they somehow put that thing
[00:32:43.919] together in a matter of hours, which is
[00:32:46.559] suspicious. So in in my episode on it, I
[00:32:48.799] said, "All right, here's what they the
[00:32:50.720] skeptics say, but you know, in the 1990s
[00:32:54.080] to do that that kind of VFX work because
[00:32:55.840] it looks real." Mhm. I don't know. To
[00:32:58.799] me, I'm I'm on the fence about it. You
[00:33:01.279] know, it's very convenient that they got
[00:33:03.200] the footage. It is. You know, it is um
[00:33:06.480] Operation Blackbird was a famous
[00:33:08.159] operation in 1990 to try and capture the
[00:33:10.399] footage live um by a great researcher
[00:33:13.279] named Colin Andrews and Oh, he's the guy
[00:33:15.600] that does the books on crop circles,
[00:33:17.760] right? Yes. Yeah. He's all in. He's all
[00:33:20.320] in. And he got a lot of support for for
[00:33:22.399] Blackbird. And not only did nothing
[00:33:24.960] happen, he was totally embarrassed by
[00:33:26.720] it. and it was all like streaming live
[00:33:28.399] and a lot of people were involved. He's
[00:33:30.399] embarrassed. We find out later that
[00:33:32.640] while they're like waiting for the
[00:33:33.919] circles to happen, just a few miles
[00:33:35.679] away, there's a milit top secret
[00:33:37.279] military operation doing whatever
[00:33:38.720] they're doing. He doesn't know why. And
[00:33:41.279] then he gets a knock on the door from
[00:33:44.159] someone, you know, Men in Black, whoever
[00:33:46.399] it is, that first offers him money to
[00:33:49.440] stop his work, then threatens him with
[00:33:51.840] whatever, threatens his family, and he
[00:33:54.880] doesn't know who this guy is. They go
[00:33:56.720] back and look at the tapes and he sees
[00:33:58.000] the guy in the background of like one of
[00:33:59.840] the TV crews. So the theory is some type
[00:34:03.519] of intelligence was embedded into
[00:34:04.960] Blackbird made to discredit him. And
[00:34:07.519] that was kind of that was kind of the
[00:34:09.119] end of Colin Andrews because he was he
[00:34:11.119] was a legit researcher at that point.
[00:34:12.480] Now he's a now he's fringe and now he's
[00:34:14.280] pseudocience. But I get into that in the
[00:34:16.320] episode. That was something I
[00:34:17.200] discovered. I never knew that there was
[00:34:19.599] intelligence involved. I didn't know
[00:34:21.200] that there was a military op which is
[00:34:23.040] confirmed. It's all it's it's wild. So,
[00:34:26.159] do you think they discredited him on
[00:34:27.520] purpose? Yes. Interesting.
[00:34:30.399] To make the crop circle thing looks
[00:34:32.159] foolish. But like what is the crop
[00:34:34.000] circle thing like what is the out of the
[00:34:36.639] believers? What is the best theory? The
[00:34:39.280] believers is that it's a it's a way to
[00:34:42.839] message craft or it's a landing site or
[00:34:47.119] it's some type of communication. But why
[00:34:49.919] why would why would they do it in wheat
[00:34:51.440] fields? I I don't know. It doesn't make
[00:34:52.879] sense to me. If you have the technology,
[00:34:54.879] just, you know, yeah, pick up the phone.
[00:34:57.760] You know, you there's better ways than
[00:34:59.680] just mowing wheat down. But I you I
[00:35:03.280] don't understand. Do you know the one
[00:35:04.880] about the the Mandler set? I've I've
[00:35:07.760] seen it. Yeah. I think that one is
[00:35:10.560] really weird because I think it
[00:35:12.760] coincides with the fractal creation of
[00:35:15.920] the Mandelro set by these people that
[00:35:18.880] are into this kind of geometry and
[00:35:21.880] fractals that like someone made the
[00:35:24.960] Mandelro set which is essentially an
[00:35:27.280] infinite fractal of like spectacular
[00:35:30.079] design. And this is before Loren and
[00:35:32.160] Lorenz attractor I think it's before
[00:35:33.520] that isn't it? I don't know. Before it
[00:35:35.200] was mainstream. Yeah, before it was
[00:35:37.359] mainstream. Yes. And then when this
[00:35:40.079] thing appears and people like what is
[00:35:41.760] this design and then they connect it to
[00:35:44.400] this mandler set which is someone would
[00:35:47.119] have to have some very esoteric
[00:35:49.040] information to be and it's the
[00:35:51.440] mandleroat set using Fibonacci numbers.
[00:35:54.640] Yes. And the and the fee the golden
[00:35:56.720] ratio and it's accurate. It's accurate
[00:35:58.720] down to inches. Yeah. You can't do that.
[00:36:02.560] Well, maybe you can, but like how and
[00:36:04.720] how long would it take and how much
[00:36:06.320] planning and how many people and what
[00:36:08.880] would you use like what what is the
[00:36:11.760] technology they would use to bend those
[00:36:13.839] things over that way and weave them?
[00:36:15.920] It's very weird stuff. It's weird
[00:36:18.160] because it's these you know the way
[00:36:21.359] these fractals work. It's this ratio in
[00:36:25.760] the in the geometry is like their
[00:36:27.680] specific sizes. This one is half the
[00:36:30.000] size of that one, which is half the size
[00:36:31.440] of that one, which is And it goes on and
[00:36:33.040] on forever. And when you see it all, see
[00:36:35.280] if you can find the Mandelro set. It's
[00:36:38.480] maybe the most spectacular crop circle.
[00:36:40.720] It's weird. It's really weird cuz it's
[00:36:43.040] enormous. Mhm. You know, and it
[00:36:46.079] seems so stupid. Which one? Wow. There's
[00:36:49.119] a whole bunch of them. The Mandler set
[00:36:50.400] is the one with the look like a heart
[00:36:52.880] above that one right there. Yeah, that's
[00:36:54.480] it. That's the Mandelroad set. Yep. And
[00:36:56.400] there's some other fractals there as
[00:36:57.839] well.
[00:36:58.880] I was looking at an article. It says
[00:37:00.079] these two guys took on the challenge and
[00:37:01.599] did it for a TV show in the BBC. They
[00:37:03.680] did. If you watch him do it, it's it's
[00:37:05.280] clumsy AF. Yeah, it it doesn't look as
[00:37:08.320] good. Like like trying to find I know
[00:37:11.280] they always say that these guys did it,
[00:37:12.880] but like
[00:37:14.640] you can't really see it there, but those
[00:37:16.000] flatten reads, they're they're woven
[00:37:18.240] together.
[00:37:20.560] Well, the weird some of the weirder
[00:37:22.240] ones, go back to other crop circles. You
[00:37:24.400] had some other images before that.
[00:37:26.560] There's some other ones that those ones
[00:37:29.200] those spirals, right? Like that one
[00:37:30.720] right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is
[00:37:32.800] wild. That's wild. Like this is
[00:37:35.520] multiple football fields long and wide.
[00:37:38.560] So, how make that one a little bigger,
[00:37:41.520] please. And one of these, I don't know
[00:37:42.960] if it's that one in particular, showed
[00:37:44.400] up right next to Stonehenge. Like, yeah,
[00:37:47.119] like a tennis ball throw away. Like that
[00:37:49.560] is crazy to not first of all if you're
[00:37:53.599] on the ground. All right, just the
[00:37:55.839] measurements alone to make each one the
[00:37:59.280] equal distance between circles, you
[00:38:02.240] know, in the whatever six different
[00:38:05.760] blades that you have that stem from the
[00:38:08.119] center. They're all the same distance.
[00:38:10.640] They're all the same size. The small
[00:38:13.200] circles are the ones that are most
[00:38:14.800] interesting because how hard is that to
[00:38:17.040] do, right?
[00:38:19.160] Right. And they're uniform and it's like
[00:38:22.400] what is that? Like what the is
[00:38:25.240] that? And who's do if that is a hoax?
[00:38:29.280] It's so bizarre that it's only these two
[00:38:31.680] goofballs that were making really shitty
[00:38:34.000] ones with boards and strings. And yet
[00:38:37.040] there's hundreds if not thousands of
[00:38:39.359] these like really complex ones. Yeah.
[00:38:41.680] Those are the guys that are on you can
[00:38:44.160] see them doing it live. Yeah. But those
[00:38:46.400] guys, there's no way they had enough
[00:38:47.760] time to do all these things. And it
[00:38:49.520] looked terrible. Yanky. Look, he's just
[00:38:51.839] trampling it. Yeah. I mean, look, you
[00:38:54.079] can certainly make crop circles with a
[00:38:56.560] string and a board. You certainly can
[00:38:58.880] make crop circles, but you're and you
[00:39:01.119] know it it always gets connected like
[00:39:03.040] believing in aliens and everything else,
[00:39:04.800] but it's not no one's even saying aliens
[00:39:07.119] like what it it could be some sort of
[00:39:09.400] energy from something that we possess
[00:39:12.079] some something that humans possess that
[00:39:14.320] they somehow or another aim at these
[00:39:17.680] areas like what is that one above it? Go
[00:39:19.760] that one right there above like right
[00:39:21.200] right there. What the is that
[00:39:22.640] thing? Look at that. They are in the
[00:39:24.960] same count. 80% of them come from the
[00:39:27.359] same county in England, which is all
[00:39:29.119] also weird. Now, people will correct me
[00:39:30.880] in the comments, but I believe that
[00:39:32.560] middle piece of geometry is a hybrid
[00:39:34.320] cube, isn't it? Isn't that a a
[00:39:36.079] four-dimensional cube? I don't know. A
[00:39:39.720] tesseract does look like it, but like
[00:39:42.640] what the How long would that take?
[00:39:45.119] That seems like that would take a long
[00:39:47.200] time to do. Stonehenge is under constant
[00:39:49.680] surveillance and and circles show up
[00:39:51.520] overnight.
[00:39:53.440] Very weird stuff. There's an interesting
[00:39:55.839] conspiracy. What the dude? To crop
[00:39:58.560] circles that that we can we can get into
[00:40:00.240] later. Wilshshire has the most crop
[00:40:02.079] circles in England. Yes. And it's mostly
[00:40:04.000] in England, too, which is also weird.
[00:40:05.680] And mostly in Wiltshire, man. Like, is
[00:40:09.359] there some sort of a theory by the
[00:40:10.960] Cooks? Lay lines. Lay lines that they're
[00:40:14.079] happening on these these segments of
[00:40:16.560] energy that intersect. What is that
[00:40:18.320] black and white one, Jamie? Click on
[00:40:20.160] that one. It's just a No, no, no, no,
[00:40:22.720] no. The one that one. What the is
[00:40:26.119] that? Wow.
[00:40:28.720] Wow. On on a mountain. Crazy. That could
[00:40:31.359] be in sand. I think this look like sand
[00:40:33.119] dunes.
[00:40:34.960] Is that what that is? Circle 16. That's
[00:40:37.680] crazy. I don't I've never seen that one.
[00:40:39.760] It's wild. I mean, just the amount of
[00:40:42.240] time that it would take to do these
[00:40:43.680] things. So, lay lines. So, this is the
[00:40:47.680] theory. That's a theory. Have you heard
[00:40:49.440] about lay lines? Kind of. It's this this
[00:40:53.320] um alleged grid of energy that circles
[00:40:56.960] the earth and uh almost like how
[00:40:59.920] magnetic fields work. And this these
[00:41:02.319] energy lines have intersection points
[00:41:04.400] and on these intersection points are
[00:41:05.920] things like Stonehenge, Giza and snow on
[00:41:09.040] a mountain in France. Wow. Where are the
[00:41:11.839] tracks in
[00:41:15.160] what? How you know it? Okay. What the
[00:41:18.640] is that? So this is no footprints,
[00:41:21.440] no tracks. Footprints right here. Yeah,
[00:41:22.960] but that could be that could be the
[00:41:24.400] people that discovered it, right? Oh,
[00:41:26.240] this a guy that did it though. Artist
[00:41:28.400] that did this. This isn't These aren't
[00:41:29.760] crop circles. This is an artist doing
[00:41:31.119] it. That's kind of what I was trying to
[00:41:32.160] say. incredible. An artist did
[00:41:34.240] that. Yeah. It has the guy's name on
[00:41:35.440] that first picture we had here. Amazing.
[00:41:37.119] Simon Beck. So the artist angle is a
[00:41:39.359] conspiracy angle. There's a man named
[00:41:40.880] John Lundberg who was part of a group
[00:41:43.680] called circlemaker makers.org Borg,
[00:41:45.599] which was a an art project and also a
[00:41:48.800] sociology experiment. And he would make
[00:41:50.560] fake crop circles to see how people
[00:41:52.000] would react. Years later, Lunberg and
[00:41:54.400] some associates created a documentary
[00:41:56.079] called Mirage Men, which an excellent
[00:41:57.599] documentary. It's mostly about Richard
[00:41:59.760] Dodie and his disinformation campaign on
[00:42:02.240] behalf of the Air Force to discredit the
[00:42:04.800] UFO community. Drove Paul Benowitz nuts.
[00:42:08.400] Um, Bill Bill Moore, who's the who's the
[00:42:11.119] guy who essentially brought Roswell out
[00:42:13.520] to the public, Bill Moore was taking
[00:42:15.680] payments and being fed information from
[00:42:17.359] Dodie to muddy the waters in the UFFL
[00:42:19.599] community. He finally came clean in '89,
[00:42:22.240] was booed off the stage at MUON, and
[00:42:24.800] everything just unraveled. So, it's all
[00:42:26.800] this info. They booed him off the stage
[00:42:28.560] cuz he f he finally said, "Look, I I've
[00:42:31.119] been working with the government. A lot
[00:42:33.359] of the stuff I've been saying, they told
[00:42:34.880] me to say. Majestic 12. All this stuff
[00:42:37.599] was coming from Dodie and they didn't
[00:42:40.720] want to hear it. They didn't want to
[00:42:42.079] hear and his career was basically over
[00:42:43.760] that day. Wow. Bill Moore he there was
[00:42:46.720] no Roswell story before Moore before his
[00:42:49.480] book. And you know that was Dodie. So
[00:42:53.040] the the documentary about Dodie was
[00:42:55.760] directed and put together by Lunberg and
[00:42:57.520] his associates. Lunberg was one of the
[00:42:59.599] original circle makers that would make
[00:43:01.200] these fake crop circles to see how
[00:43:02.720] people would react. I just thought it
[00:43:03.920] was an interesting connection. But it's
[00:43:05.839] interesting because clearly some people
[00:43:08.560] are making these, but like what was the
[00:43:11.520] origins of it? Because I'm I'm sure
[00:43:13.040] you've seen
[00:43:14.280] that image from the newspaper of the
[00:43:17.040] devil with a a
[00:43:19.240] scythe, you know what I mean? And
[00:43:21.280] they're talking about crop circles like
[00:43:23.280] back in like the 17 and 1800s. 1678.
[00:43:26.560] Yeah. 1600s. Wow. First crop circle ever
[00:43:29.119] reported was in 1678. According to the
[00:43:30.720] story, farmer, the crop mower were
[00:43:32.640] arguing about the cost of harvesting the
[00:43:34.319] farmer's oat field. The farmer was
[00:43:36.000] furious at the mower's price and stormed
[00:43:38.319] off, swearing that the devil himself
[00:43:40.079] should harvest the crop. That night, a
[00:43:42.160] dazzling light lit up the oat field, and
[00:43:44.079] in the morning, the farmer discovered
[00:43:45.920] perfectly round circles in his crops. He
[00:43:48.240] was so frightened by the circles, which
[00:43:49.599] he thought could only have been so
[00:43:51.200] neatly mowed by the devil or some
[00:43:53.680] infernal spirit, that he abandoned any
[00:43:56.400] attempt to harvest the field.
[00:43:58.960] That's a little sketchy. You're scared
[00:44:01.359] of circles. Come on, Uh, really
[00:44:04.200] though? If there were crop circles in my
[00:44:06.400] backyard, I would be a little nervous. I
[00:44:08.319] would be curious. It's not terrifying,
[00:44:11.599] right? They're not something that would
[00:44:12.960] scare me away from harvesting my crop.
[00:44:15.359] No, I'm more afraid of the government
[00:44:16.960] than I am of, you know, that crop
[00:44:19.359] circles don't seem to be killing
[00:44:20.400] anybody. No, but it's like what? So, lay
[00:44:23.440] lines. So, these things are to
[00:44:26.119] differentiate areas. So they could see
[00:44:28.720] them from the sky. Is that the idea? The
[00:44:30.880] lay lines are the are the energy lines.
[00:44:32.960] Mhm. Uh whatever a mystical energy. It's
[00:44:36.000] not a scientific energy. And where the
[00:44:38.319] lines intersect is where you see sites
[00:44:40.560] like Machu Picchu, Giza, Stonehenge, all
[00:44:43.359] these ancient sites. There's the lay
[00:44:45.920] lines. Oh,
[00:44:48.480] but lay lines is, you know, it's it's
[00:44:50.480] semi-debunkable because if you if you
[00:44:52.400] connect enough lines, you're going to
[00:44:54.319] find patterns. You're going to find
[00:44:55.680] geometry. Right. Right. Right. You go
[00:44:57.920] looking for it, right? Yeah. Very just
[00:45:00.880] very weird stuff that I like I said, I
[00:45:03.520] used to think it was total nonsense
[00:45:05.119] until I saw some documentaries on it
[00:45:06.800] where they were talking about the nodes.
[00:45:08.079] They were talking about some of these
[00:45:09.359] things are just so complex and they
[00:45:11.440] appear so quickly. The nodes and the
[00:45:13.520] braiding to me was like, okay, now I got
[00:45:16.000] to change my approach to this. What do
[00:45:17.839] you think it is?
[00:45:19.839] You know, I don't know. I I think I
[00:45:22.319] think it's beyond
[00:45:23.720] us. Oh, it's just we're just monkeys
[00:45:26.480] trying to trying to guess math, you
[00:45:29.280] know. I don't know. We every time we
[00:45:32.560] make a guess on this show, someone's
[00:45:34.079] laughing, you know. Of course, someone's
[00:45:36.319] like, you know, they think it's a
[00:45:37.760] landing site. Well, it's one of those
[00:45:39.359] subjects that if you even entertain it,
[00:45:41.520] you're almost immediately a fool, which
[00:45:44.079] uh I'm super comfortable with being a
[00:45:45.839] fool.
[00:45:47.920] I entertain a lot of foolish ideas, but
[00:45:50.160] that one is particularly foolish because
[00:45:52.000] people will always point to those guys
[00:45:53.280] with boards and I'm like, not so fast.
[00:45:56.640] Yeah, those guys with boards definitely
[00:45:58.160] made some circles, but this is there's
[00:46:00.400] some of them that are really
[00:46:01.680] spectacular. They are. And it it just
[00:46:03.760] doesn't. And when you factor in the
[00:46:05.839] nodes and you factored in the weaving
[00:46:07.920] and then these incredible geometric
[00:46:11.000] shapes, like how are you even mapping
[00:46:13.520] that? Like, how are you doing that? How
[00:46:15.359] many people are involved? How long does
[00:46:16.960] it take? I, you know, I it would take
[00:46:19.920] people so long. It would never be that
[00:46:22.640] accurate. Yeah. With, you know, with
[00:46:25.040] ropes and boards. I, you know, I just
[00:46:26.560] don't see it right. But like it leaves
[00:46:29.280] you with this weird mystery just like
[00:46:31.839] what what is this? I wish I knew. It's
[00:46:34.560] just one of those things that like it's
[00:46:36.240] almost like the universe is laughing at
[00:46:38.000] us every now and then. It just shows you
[00:46:40.319] something that's like so goofy that you
[00:46:42.800] have to go, well, what is real? the, you
[00:46:45.200] know, a great, it was a hoax, but a
[00:46:46.640] great crop circle was the Arosibo
[00:46:48.400] response. Do you know that one? Yes.
[00:46:50.400] That was a great one. That was we sent
[00:46:52.480] the Arosa message out, but had had all
[00:46:54.560] the symbols on it that and it sent it
[00:46:56.480] back with like a half a alien face,
[00:46:59.040] right? And it showed where on in their
[00:47:01.200] solar system they lived, what their DNA
[00:47:02.960] was like, you know, it was a great one.
[00:47:04.960] Who did that one? I I don't know who did
[00:47:06.720] I don't know if it was Circlemakers. I
[00:47:07.920] don't know who it was, but it was a
[00:47:09.040] hoax. But it was But it was like a
[00:47:11.040] really wellthoughtout one. Well, that
[00:47:12.880] one kind of looks like a hoax. Like it's
[00:47:14.880] so on the nose. You have a alien face in
[00:47:18.319] the crop circle. Yeah. Wasn't that
[00:47:19.760] different than the than the arosa
[00:47:21.200] response? Wasn't I forget. I think they
[00:47:24.319] were related. I'm not I'm not sure
[00:47:26.240] though. The response I thought was so
[00:47:28.640] cool. I thought the arbo response was
[00:47:31.680] aligned with that uh UFO thing. The the
[00:47:35.359] alien face. See if you can find the crop
[00:47:37.200] circle that says it. Jamie, you could be
[00:47:39.040] right. As soon as you see the alien
[00:47:40.400] face, you're out. I think the aerosibo
[00:47:42.720] response is next to the There it is
[00:47:44.960] above that. Jamie, you just had it. If
[00:47:47.119] you scroll, go to the top right there.
[00:47:49.119] Bam.
[00:47:51.119] Okay. So, that's different. That's
[00:47:52.640] different. But there's there's Aerosibo
[00:47:54.400] is the answer. An album cover for
[00:47:56.000] someone on Apple. Right. But the crop
[00:47:58.480] circle is a real crop circle that that
[00:48:00.480] somebody actually made that thing. And
[00:48:02.079] that's a message in that circle. That
[00:48:03.839] spiral is a message. Look at that one to
[00:48:06.079] the right.
[00:48:07.760] Uh, there's the Aeros response down
[00:48:09.599] there with the humanoid face. Yes,
[00:48:11.440] that's it. That's
[00:48:12.920] it. Very weird. So, that's a hoax.
[00:48:15.920] That's a hoax. But boy, it's a good one.
[00:48:17.920] It's a great one. Go back a
[00:48:20.480] couple of posts.
[00:48:23.440] Yeah, right there. That one in the right
[00:48:25.040] hand side. That's crazy.
[00:48:29.040] It's the small circles that get me.
[00:48:32.079] Well, it's If it is a hoax, it's
[00:48:35.119] amazing.
[00:48:38.160] That is just so weird.
[00:48:42.480] But again, it's like one of those like
[00:48:44.000] it doesn't there's it's not satisfying.
[00:48:46.319] No, it's not. You know, there's not like
[00:48:48.240] every it just at the end of it, you're
[00:48:50.000] just like, I don't know. That's why the
[00:48:52.079] worst question is what do you think it
[00:48:53.280] is? Right. I was hoping you had
[00:48:55.839] something stupid. Well, I don't know,
[00:48:58.720] man. Yeah, I don't know either. But I do
[00:49:01.760] know that I want to believe, which is
[00:49:03.920] always the problem with me with all
[00:49:05.280] these things, you know. I want to
[00:49:06.960] believe the bases in Antarctica. I want
[00:49:09.119] to believe that there's pyramids up
[00:49:10.720] there. All that stuff. Yeah. And when
[00:49:13.119] you find out something's debunked, how
[00:49:16.000] do you feel?
[00:49:17.839] Oh, you know, are you okay? Yeah. I
[00:49:21.359] mean, disappointed, but but there's a
[00:49:23.280] party that goes, "Yeah, it's probably
[00:49:25.440] right." Well, I think most of them are
[00:49:27.440] I think like most UFO
[00:49:29.280] sightings are Most UFO
[00:49:31.440] sightings are probably people seeing
[00:49:33.440] experimental military aircraft and
[00:49:36.240] things along those lines. Satellites,
[00:49:38.319] that's a big one. Like those the
[00:49:41.119] Starlink ones just fly across the night
[00:49:43.119] sky and people like, "Oh my god, it's an
[00:49:44.720] alien. It's not an alien. You could see
[00:49:46.720] them with with your naked eye." Yeah.
[00:49:48.960] But if you didn't know what it was, it
[00:49:50.319] looks like a fleet of ships flying
[00:49:52.559] across the sky. And the way that they
[00:49:54.079] alternate lights, it looks like there's
[00:49:56.000] an intelligence to it, right? Yeah.
[00:49:58.520] Yeah. Um I've never seen anything
[00:50:01.960] myself. Have you? No. Gino has. What did
[00:50:05.440] What did he say? Gino saw and I think um
[00:50:08.559] I think maybe Jeremiah said he saw the
[00:50:10.640] same thing. Uh Gino saw a giant orb of
[00:50:13.520] light over the Pacific Ocean and he
[00:50:15.599] watched it for a long time. And I said,
[00:50:17.599] "Where's the photo of it?" And he said,
[00:50:20.000] "I was so in awe. I didn't even think to
[00:50:22.559] get out my phone. It's like, man, but
[00:50:24.800] that's a common thing you hear, right?
[00:50:27.440] Is you're just so in awe. You don't
[00:50:29.040] think I got to selfie this, right? You
[00:50:31.839] probably if you actually saw something,
[00:50:33.920] there's a high probability that you'd be
[00:50:35.520] so freaked out. You'd be just in the
[00:50:37.119] moment like what? Yeah. And you know,
[00:50:39.760] Gino's legit. He's not he's not a
[00:50:42.000] artist. Yeah. No, I've talked
[00:50:44.079] to quite Dave Foley had a sighting. He
[00:50:46.720] saw something the Gino talked to Dave
[00:50:48.480] about they saw the same thing. H yeah.
[00:50:51.760] Well, there's always the question of
[00:50:53.200] like what's going on off the coast and
[00:50:55.920] I'm sure you're aware of this one that
[00:50:57.920] we actually talked about it the other
[00:50:59.200] day, but we never found it. There's a
[00:51:01.200] structure that's off of Malibu in the
[00:51:03.839] deep water that was available on Google
[00:51:06.800] Maps. Was a structure was And now it's
[00:51:09.839] blurred out. Yep. But it looked like
[00:51:12.559] there's openings in it. There's a top
[00:51:14.800] that's flat. It looks like Looks like a
[00:51:16.880] base. Looks like a base. Looks like a
[00:51:19.520] base. Yeah. You know, if And now it
[00:51:21.760] doesn't. Now it just looks like blurry
[00:51:23.680] water. Yeah. Like why does it look
[00:51:25.680] different now? Like what's going on?
[00:51:27.119] With a gun to my head, all the weird
[00:51:29.599] stuff is in the ocean. It's not from
[00:51:31.520] another planet. Really? No, I don't
[00:51:33.599] know. Who knows? But it's it makes a lot
[00:51:36.400] more sense that the stuff we're seeing,
[00:51:39.119] it's the best place to hide is just deep
[00:51:40.960] water. So, not from another planet
[00:51:43.480] originally, like maybe originally. And
[00:51:46.000] that's where they they make their base.
[00:51:48.319] I I it's hard for me to square how to
[00:51:51.119] travel great distances. It's hard for me
[00:51:53.680] to square that. You know, I know that
[00:51:55.760] we've got the albare drive and warp
[00:51:58.800] drive and all these theoretical things
[00:52:00.400] about about compressing space time and
[00:52:02.559] all of that. I, you know, I get it. Um,
[00:52:05.760] but it's hard for me to think that
[00:52:07.440] that's solvable.
[00:52:09.359] But what is interesting is maybe another
[00:52:11.680] species evolved alongside of us a long
[00:52:13.599] time ago and has been here a long time
[00:52:16.160] and said, "You know what? Let's go.
[00:52:17.280] Here's this is where we go to avoid
[00:52:19.200] cataclysms and geological instability.
[00:52:22.880] Let's go under water. That's a weird one
[00:52:24.640] though because like what kind of
[00:52:26.160] technology are you utilizing? How did
[00:52:28.400] you rechie how did you achieve that
[00:52:30.960] level of technological superiority and
[00:52:33.040] not completely control man? Because if I
[00:52:36.240] was an intelligent species that was
[00:52:37.920] capable of developing bases under the
[00:52:40.160] water, I'd be super concerned at all the
[00:52:42.960] different things that human beings are
[00:52:44.240] doing to ruin things. Like if we had
[00:52:45.839] chimps that all of a sudden had
[00:52:48.000] flamethrowers and they were lighting the
[00:52:49.359] jungle on fire, we'd probably take their
[00:52:50.880] flamethrowers. So like we would turn off
[00:52:52.640] a nuclear reactor. Yeah. Right. So we
[00:52:57.119] talk about humans. If if if this theory
[00:52:59.040] is true that they evolved here, there
[00:53:00.960] were no humans. Humans are 300,000 years
[00:53:04.400] old. That's not It would take whatever
[00:53:06.720] species a lot longer than that to evolve
[00:53:08.640] to this technological level. And we've
[00:53:10.160] seen the craft just zip into water with
[00:53:12.319] no displacement, right? You know, where
[00:53:14.319] are they going? And there there are
[00:53:16.160] unnamed whistleblowers, you know,
[00:53:17.599] anonymous sources that say there's a
[00:53:19.200] there's a base near the Bermuda
[00:53:20.559] Triangle. The Navy knows about it. They
[00:53:22.319] know not to get close. It moves around a
[00:53:24.640] little bit. I'm going to do an episode
[00:53:25.599] on it soon because it's just too good
[00:53:26.880] not to. Corroborated by another
[00:53:29.680] biologist who said he worked with the
[00:53:31.359] retrieval team and yes, there's stuff.
[00:53:33.440] And what this base does is it it from
[00:53:37.440] raw materials creates craft to go on
[00:53:39.839] specific missions. So there always the
[00:53:41.520] question, you know, why is there a
[00:53:42.640] saucer? Why does it look like a pyramid?
[00:53:44.000] Why is it this? It's because they're
[00:53:45.599] customuilt for a mission and there's an
[00:53:47.680] AI and a species down there and they
[00:53:49.599] say, "We're going to go survey Mount
[00:53:50.960] Hayes in Alaska." Super super
[00:53:52.720] fascinating uh place. So, we only need a
[00:53:55.760] scanning gear, some propulsion, and we
[00:53:58.079] just build it. It fits in an orb. Send
[00:53:59.760] it out, does its thing, comes back, and
[00:54:01.760] then it gets broken down to the its
[00:54:04.000] parts. And then another mission, build
[00:54:05.760] it. Ah, it's going to be a triangle.
[00:54:07.200] It's going to be this or that. Does its
[00:54:08.559] mission comes back. To me, that makes
[00:54:10.720] good sense. A good way to do that. a
[00:54:12.400] good way to conserve resources, not have
[00:54:14.559] to go out and get stuff. H I like the
[00:54:17.599] theory. That's a fun It's a fun theory.
[00:54:19.599] It's a fun theory. Yeah. It's a fun
[00:54:21.839] theory also that if you were if you were
[00:54:24.960] creating bases here like say if they're
[00:54:27.040] coming from somewhere else and they want
[00:54:28.960] to visit us it would be far
[00:54:32.760] more logical to develop some sort of a
[00:54:36.079] base with resources and you know where
[00:54:39.280] you could you could observe things and
[00:54:42.960] they can exist there completely
[00:54:44.680] undetected and then be able to go to
[00:54:47.839] wherever they're from back and forth.
[00:54:50.319] But when they're here on Earth, they
[00:54:51.760] would be undetected, right? And the the
[00:54:54.800] ocean is literally 70 something% of the
[00:54:57.760] Earth's surface. And we've mapped, I
[00:54:59.760] think, two or 3% of it. Yeah. It' be a
[00:55:03.040] good place to hide in plain sight.
[00:55:04.319] That's what I would do. And to make
[00:55:06.240] things from raw materials, meaning like
[00:55:08.640] molecular level stuff, you're I mean,
[00:55:11.119] you're totally off-rid. You know, we
[00:55:12.960] don't need to strip mine. We got
[00:55:14.079] everything here. Right. Right. And if
[00:55:16.160] you have something that's a
[00:55:18.200] transmedium vehicle, so it doesn't
[00:55:20.800] displace the water. It works on some
[00:55:22.960] sort of a warp drive or some I think you
[00:55:26.160] have to get into interdimensionality
[00:55:27.920] then and all it gets a little it gets a
[00:55:30.160] little wild. But if you're not
[00:55:32.000] displacing air or water that that means
[00:55:35.680] you're phasing through matter, right,
[00:55:38.400] which is theoretically doable because
[00:55:39.920] everything is mostly space. Well, they
[00:55:41.760] said they've mapped things going under
[00:55:43.440] the water 500 knots, right? Without
[00:55:46.720] making a splash. Yeah. No ripples, no
[00:55:50.000] discernable waves. Greg Lugan is right
[00:55:53.200] in there. Nothing. 500 knots under the
[00:55:56.400] water. I mean, what the could do
[00:55:58.839] that? The amount of energy you'd have to
[00:56:01.599] have go through that much resistance of
[00:56:03.440] deep water, 500 miles an hour, 500
[00:56:06.079] knots, right? Look at how when they do
[00:56:08.319] missile tests from subs, how those
[00:56:10.160] things are just like ah trying to get
[00:56:12.640] out of the water. Yeah. And these things
[00:56:14.559] just go. Yeah. And nothing. Well, that's
[00:56:17.520] the weird ones. And but that would make
[00:56:19.280] you also think like maybe it is a
[00:56:20.720] hologram because if there are these
[00:56:23.480] transmedium things, but the thing is
[00:56:25.599] they're seeing them with radar, right?
[00:56:28.400] Which means heat signature or mass,
[00:56:31.359] right? Or electromagnetic displacement.
[00:56:34.559] Or if it was if it is some sort
[00:56:38.520] of photons like some sort of a
[00:56:41.880] projection would that not have some kind
[00:56:44.000] of a heat signature? It would if it was
[00:56:46.319] ionized air.
[00:56:49.359] You know that would be plasma. So that
[00:56:51.119] was hot if that's what it is. But when
[00:56:55.119] they go into the water we see them under
[00:56:57.280] the water for a second and you don't see
[00:56:58.799] any refraction, right? So that kind of
[00:57:02.000] screws up the like the holographic
[00:57:03.680] projection theory a little bit because
[00:57:05.520] there's no light refraction.
[00:57:07.839] So how did you do do that?
[00:57:10.880] Yeah. No, I'm asking you. How do you do
[00:57:12.880] that? I don't know. I don't know either.
[00:57:14.559] I mean that's my answer. Yeah. I mean
[00:57:17.359] you've had physicists on here that that
[00:57:19.200] I've seen go
[00:57:21.240] Yeah. Well, the really crazy ones are
[00:57:24.160] the ones that the fighter pilots have
[00:57:26.040] seen
[00:57:27.640] because, you know, particularly
[00:57:29.680] Commander Fraver and the other people
[00:57:31.760] that were on that mission with him. So,
[00:57:33.359] two separate jets, you have four people
[00:57:35.680] that are eyewitness to this thing and
[00:57:38.000] then that there was something actually
[00:57:39.920] under the surface of the water like an
[00:57:42.000] aircraft carrier, an enormous thing that
[00:57:44.640] this tic tac is hovering above and then
[00:57:47.920] that thing descends into the water. of
[00:57:49.760] the tic tac turns towards them, is
[00:57:52.559] jamming their signal, is hovering in
[00:57:55.200] space, and then shoots off at such an
[00:57:58.079] insane rate of speed that most of the
[00:58:01.200] things that we have on Earth would just
[00:58:03.280] disintegrate and fall apart just from
[00:58:04.799] the sheer pressure, of course, and from
[00:58:06.559] the inertia can be done. Now, if I were
[00:58:08.720] doing an episode on on Tic Tac or Go
[00:58:10.640] Faster or Gimbal, I would be remiss if I
[00:58:13.280] didn't include Mick West's analysis of
[00:58:15.520] those. And I know you've talked to Mick
[00:58:17.520] on and off throughout the years. He's
[00:58:18.640] like a professional debunker, though. He
[00:58:20.880] wants to debunk things that I don't
[00:58:22.480] think can be debunked. He does. He
[00:58:24.400] approaches it as it's definitely fake.
[00:58:26.559] And I'm going to show you why.
[00:58:27.520] Everything is definitely fake. Almost to
[00:58:28.880] the point where I'm like, who you
[00:58:29.839] working for? Right. Right. Who you
[00:58:31.839] working for? Everyone thinks we're CIA,
[00:58:34.079] by the way. I mean, me and you. Oh,
[00:58:35.520] yeah. Uh, Reddit is convinced I'm CIA.
[00:58:38.119] Oh, me too. That's why my channel blew
[00:58:40.880] up in two and a half years. Because CIA
[00:58:42.960] CIA is back. Oh, I've heard that before.
[00:58:44.799] I've heard that about many people, like
[00:58:46.799] the reason why they got successful. I've
[00:58:48.480] heard that about me, too. Yeah. Like go
[00:58:50.319] back to 2009 where I have 200 viewers.
[00:58:52.720] Like the CI suck back then. They weren't
[00:58:55.599] helping me at all. Dude, I remember just
[00:58:57.520] watching you in little squares on
[00:58:58.960] Ustream. Just like the top of your head
[00:59:00.559] and Brian and Duncan. I mean, that's
[00:59:02.720] what I Gino's like, you got to watch Joe
[00:59:04.960] Rogan's show on on Ustream. I'm like,
[00:59:07.839] what are you talking about? He's a
[00:59:08.799] comic. He's like, he's got Graham
[00:59:10.160] Hancock on. And I went, oh, I got to
[00:59:12.240] watch that. And that's that's when I
[00:59:13.440] started watching. I think Graham was our
[00:59:15.040] first serious guest. So, it was Duncan
[00:59:17.520] and I and we're in my house and Graham
[00:59:19.839] flew from England. We ate pizza in in my
[00:59:22.720] kitchen. It was the first time I got to
[00:59:23.920] meet him. I was so pumped cuz I'd read
[00:59:25.920] his book in the 90s. I read Same. Yeah.
[00:59:27.839] Fingerprints of the Gods. Amazing book
[00:59:30.000] from Art Bell is who told me about it.
[00:59:31.760] Yeah. I remember my wife was like, "You
[00:59:33.359] should read like real real archaeology."
[00:59:35.440] I'm like, "No, this is
[00:59:36.480] interesting shit." Why should is your
[00:59:38.319] wife a scientist or something? No, no,
[00:59:39.680] no. She's just a little more serious
[00:59:41.119] than me. Yeah. a little smarter than me.
[00:59:44.400] Same. Same. But it's like I I still to
[00:59:47.680] this day will pick up those books and
[00:59:49.280] read them and like I I do not think that
[00:59:53.280] modern archaeology has the full story.
[00:59:55.359] And I've seen the way they behave. I saw
[00:59:57.440] the way Flint Dibble behaved with
[00:59:58.880] Graham. They're gatekeepers. They don't
[01:00:01.440] want anyone to have any information that
[01:00:03.599] they don't have. So even in the face of
[01:00:06.480] very compelling information, they
[01:00:10.359] dismiss openly quickly without any
[01:00:13.760] consideration. They they just want to
[01:00:15.680] dismiss it. And then they want to
[01:00:17.359] pretend that any archaeologist that
[01:00:20.400] presents any kind of information that
[01:00:22.240] up the narrative isn't immediately
[01:00:24.640] attacked. And they are. Their careers
[01:00:26.799] are ruined. Whether you go back to
[01:00:28.319] Clovis first or any of these different
[01:00:30.960] archaeologists that have proposed
[01:00:32.400] alternative theories of the human
[01:00:34.000] timeline,
[01:00:35.760] all of the conventional archaeologists,
[01:00:38.720] all the mainstream people attacked them.
[01:00:42.079] Randall Carlson, Robert Shock, John
[01:00:44.319] West. Um, if I were advising Graham, I
[01:00:48.240] would have said, "Don't do that debate.
[01:00:50.079] Don't do it. There's no way to come off.
[01:00:52.160] You're not going to convince anybody and
[01:00:54.480] you're just going to come off not
[01:00:55.599] looking great." And uh and I've seen his
[01:00:58.720] response on his own site. He's even said
[01:01:00.880] that was probably a mistake. He wasn't
[01:01:02.640] prepared enough, but you'll never be
[01:01:04.559] prepared enough for a professional
[01:01:06.400] debunker. You just won't be have too
[01:01:08.240] much. So, I would have told him don't
[01:01:09.920] don't go in don't go into the lion's
[01:01:11.359] den. Well, the problem was he wasn't
[01:01:13.440] being honest. Flint was not being honest
[01:01:16.079] about the information that we have,
[01:01:17.760] particularly about offshore shipwrecks.
[01:01:20.000] It was just not honest. Nope. You know,
[01:01:22.319] and the amount that they have
[01:01:23.839] discovered, not honest. and Graham
[01:01:25.680] didn't know that at the time. And also
[01:01:27.680] the timeline of like how old these are
[01:01:30.480] when you get to 5,000 6,000 years.
[01:01:34.000] There's no ship left. All you have is
[01:01:36.480] like the pottery and whatever is on the
[01:01:38.319] ground at the bottom. And if you're
[01:01:40.480] talking about 10,000 years, 15,000
[01:01:42.319] years, who's to say that that's not
[01:01:43.599] completely covered by sediment by then?
[01:01:45.680] And it probably would be. Well, you
[01:01:47.520] know, I watched a little of um of Zawwas
[01:01:50.160] on on here. That's all you need, just a
[01:01:52.240] little for that episode. You get it. I
[01:01:54.240] couldn't believe he was he's still doing
[01:01:55.599] it. I mean, uh, maybe he was around when
[01:01:58.079] they actually built the things. I think
[01:01:59.680] that was probably the best advertisement
[01:02:03.760] for alternative archaeology you're ever
[01:02:05.920] going to get. When you see the guy
[01:02:07.359] that's the gatekeeper and how
[01:02:08.640] close-minded he is. He didn't mention
[01:02:10.559] the capstones, the the the limestone
[01:02:13.040] facing from Tor. He didn't even talk
[01:02:14.559] about it. Well, also this just saying it
[01:02:19.119] was the national project and that's how
[01:02:21.680] they were able to get 80 ton stones 500
[01:02:24.799] miles away through the mountains on
[01:02:27.119] sleds. Like come on. The Alan stones are
[01:02:30.559] from 1,200 miles away. Yeah. You know,
[01:02:34.319] the the tourist stones are uh I don't
[01:02:37.040] know 20 30 miles away or whatever. How
[01:02:38.880] about those Lebanon stones at Balbeck?
[01:02:41.599] Balbeck. Can't I It's How many tons is
[01:02:44.720] that? You You need a person standing on
[01:02:46.880] it to even see the size of If you've
[01:02:48.480] never seen the Ballbeck stone, if you're
[01:02:49.760] listening, the thing is it's it's like a
[01:02:51.680] skyscraper on its side. Yeah. And it's
[01:02:54.480] one solid piece and it was moved there.
[01:02:57.119] Yes. See, pull up the Balbeck stones in
[01:03:00.119] Lebanon because there's stuff that's
[01:03:02.880] above it that is like of a more recent
[01:03:06.640] time period, but it seems to have been
[01:03:09.200] put there on top of these older stones
[01:03:12.480] that are so big they don't make any
[01:03:14.640] sense. Like that's just one of them that
[01:03:17.520] was quarried but not moved. But the ones
[01:03:19.760] that are in place, go to the ones like
[01:03:22.240] see like these ones, the ones that are
[01:03:24.480] above. So they're the lower stones and
[01:03:27.119] the ones above. You don't realize how
[01:03:29.599] big they are unless you can get a human
[01:03:31.839] being to stand next to them, but they
[01:03:33.520] are preposterously big. Like there you
[01:03:36.319] go. Right. Like you 15 feet high, 30, 40
[01:03:41.119] feet long. I mean, they're showing in
[01:03:43.119] metric, so I'm confused.
[01:03:45.440] Incredible. And like who who did it and
[01:03:48.400] when when was that done? And then
[01:03:50.720] there's like Malta, like that stuff that
[01:03:52.880] they think Malta was constructed when
[01:03:57.200] the sea levels were much lower. So there
[01:04:00.240] was a a way to make a path to there from
[01:04:03.440] Italy and from these other places
[01:04:05.119] because they found Neanderl bones there
[01:04:07.119] and and allegedly giants built that and
[01:04:09.599] Darren Kuyu and all the hidden cities
[01:04:11.359] underneath Capidokia and Turkey that
[01:04:13.359] they're finding are connected. Those are
[01:04:14.799] nuts. No one knows who made them. No one
[01:04:17.119] knows who made them and they can have
[01:04:19.920] thousands of people living underground.
[01:04:21.680] They can bring fresh water from the from
[01:04:23.440] the aquifers. They can bring fresh air
[01:04:25.039] and circulate it. They have defensive
[01:04:26.960] mechanisms with these giant stones and
[01:04:29.359] nobody knows how they made them. Yeah.
[01:04:31.520] And who and and why? Yeah. Great flood.
[01:04:36.240] Yeah. That's the theory, right? the
[01:04:37.760] theory, the great flood and then the
[01:04:39.680] younger dus impact theory destroyed the
[01:04:41.839] atmosphere where there was just like
[01:04:43.520] above the earth which is like chaotic
[01:04:45.440] and they sought refuge underground. I
[01:04:47.839] lean more toward that that the the ice
[01:04:50.079] sheets melted from a solar event than an
[01:04:52.480] impact, but it certainly could be
[01:04:54.400] either. I mean, well, it could be a
[01:04:56.000] combination of things because it's also
[01:04:58.079] they think there was more than one. The
[01:04:59.920] the impact event happened. They know
[01:05:02.240] this based on core samples, aridium, uh
[01:05:05.599] the the nano diamonds that come from
[01:05:07.599] impacts. This is the Greenland impact.
[01:05:09.839] Yeah. Not just Greenland, North America.
[01:05:11.920] They think it h I think they found these
[01:05:14.880] the evidence of this stuff like 30% of
[01:05:17.200] the Earth's surface where the they
[01:05:18.960] believe these things had hit. I think we
[01:05:20.720] got bombarded. Right. So that would be
[01:05:23.200] like flying through an asteroid field
[01:05:25.520] like like the like the Leonids or the
[01:05:27.680] Perciads or Torids. So the remnants of
[01:05:30.240] of some giant object that that is rubble
[01:05:33.200] and we just fly through it which means
[01:05:35.520] we fly through it frequently. We fly
[01:05:37.359] through it twice a year. Twice a year.
[01:05:38.799] But we don't always you know most of the
[01:05:40.400] time we get lucky and it's not a really
[01:05:43.119] a hot one but like what happened
[01:05:45.760] Tungusa. Tungusa. Right. That's that's
[01:05:48.400] grand 1907. And in the same month that
[01:05:52.000] we passed through that comet field.
[01:05:54.480] That's right. Yeah. Right. That's over
[01:05:56.319] Siberia. And that was an air burst, I
[01:05:58.880] believe, because there's no impact
[01:06:00.160] crater, but it flattened like millions
[01:06:02.000] of square miles of trees and it's still
[01:06:03.599] to this day. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:06:06.079] There's images of that if you want to
[01:06:07.520] look up that. There's um there's actual
[01:06:09.680] like film of it. It's crazy. It looks
[01:06:11.760] like a a bomb went off. Yeah. We're in a
[01:06:14.079] shooting gallery. You know, Earth is
[01:06:16.319] flying through a shooting gallery.
[01:06:18.160] There's 900,000 near-Earth objects that
[01:06:21.119] are just hovering around out there. And
[01:06:23.280] NASA says we track most of them
[01:06:27.920] because in those fields with with the
[01:06:29.839] perceives towards there are big objects.
[01:06:32.480] There are earth killers in there. Oh
[01:06:34.079] yeah. You know and Apouses is lurking.
[01:06:37.520] Apous is the big one that's due to fly
[01:06:39.520] by in a few years. What's that one?
[01:06:41.520] That's a that's a giant asteroid that's
[01:06:44.079] uh I think it's due to fly by maybe 2030
[01:06:47.200] something. How big is that one? I I I'll
[01:06:50.079] get it wrong. I mean, I'm gonna say a
[01:06:52.000] million things wrong today. I'll hear
[01:06:53.200] all about it. But but it's a it's a
[01:06:55.200] planet killer. Like, it's a it's a
[01:06:57.520] civilization ender, and it's going to
[01:06:58.960] fly near like we're going to be able to
[01:07:00.319] see it during the day. 375 m across,
[01:07:04.640] about the size of a cruise liner. It
[01:07:07.200] will pass within 32,000 km of Earth's
[01:07:10.079] surface on April 13, 2029. Now, stop
[01:07:12.960] there. That's about That's closer than
[01:07:14.880] the moon. That's I mean, way closer than
[01:07:17.839] the moon. Yeah. So that's what se about
[01:07:20.000] 70,000 miles where the moon is 250 250
[01:07:23.440] to 300.
[01:07:25.760] So we're going to see that what you
[01:07:28.880] don't want to see that in in the you
[01:07:30.319] don't want to look up and see that.
[01:07:32.079] Well, just knowing that ones far larger
[01:07:35.359] have passed through. Mhm. And then we
[01:07:38.960] know for sure a bunch of hit, you know,
[01:07:41.280] for sure, you know, Chichinita, that
[01:07:43.520] one. All right. Chick Shaloo. But that
[01:07:45.280] was that was pseudocience until the
[01:07:47.119] father son went down there and found it.
[01:07:49.440] And that wasn't that I think that was
[01:07:50.880] when I was growing up the dinosaurs
[01:07:53.280] died. It was that was a conspiracy
[01:07:55.119] theory. The asteroid, right? Then they
[01:07:57.280] and the guy they found it I think around
[01:07:59.520] the Yucatan impact. Yeah.
[01:08:02.799] And the Aridium Yeah. matches it. Uhhuh.
[01:08:06.440] Yeah. All that is really spectacular
[01:08:09.039] stuff. Yeah, it's just like when you
[01:08:10.880] look at the moon and you see the craters
[01:08:12.319] all over it and you realize, okay, this
[01:08:13.520] is what happens when you don't have an
[01:08:14.799] atmosphere and you also don't have water
[01:08:17.359] and you could see everything that hits
[01:08:19.759] like the whole thing. The whole why but
[01:08:22.239] why are there so many fewer impacts on
[01:08:23.920] the other side? Are there fewer? Really?
[01:08:28.239] I can't I don't know. The moon I have I
[01:08:30.560] have a it became a saying on the show. I
[01:08:33.279] even have a t-shirt. The moon is weird.
[01:08:35.600] Yeah. Like Gino's my my weird topic guy.
[01:08:38.880] It's like what should we talk about?
[01:08:40.000] He's like do hollow moon. So I went into
[01:08:42.000] that story thinking this is the dumbest
[01:08:43.359] I've ever heard. The moon is
[01:08:44.719] hollow. And I'm doing the research about
[01:08:46.400] halfway through I'm like hm the moon is
[01:08:48.319] weird. And then by the end of my
[01:08:49.719] research I was convinced that clearly
[01:08:52.080] the moon is a hollow spaceship that was
[01:08:53.759] brought here from another part of the
[01:08:55.520] galaxy and it's here and the lizard
[01:08:57.600] people are absorbing our soul energy.
[01:08:59.279] That's the only explanation for it. Um
[01:09:02.480] probably not true but man that the moon
[01:09:04.960] is very weird. Well, it's also weird
[01:09:07.960] that the
[01:09:10.040] alignment and the size and the distance
[01:09:13.359] of the moon makes the eclipse perfect.
[01:09:16.880] Like, what are the odds of that? What
[01:09:18.799] are the odds that it it is the exact
[01:09:22.000] distance from the sun so that when the
[01:09:24.880] moon and the sun align, it's exact,
[01:09:28.960] right? It's like a 400 to1 ratio. It's
[01:09:31.359] exact. It's nuts. But but you could
[01:09:33.920] debunk that by saying the moon is
[01:09:35.359] getting further and further away, right?
[01:09:37.359] But why is it perfect? What I mean, we
[01:09:40.640] have not found a planet in this solar
[01:09:42.880] system or anywhere else that has a giant
[01:09:44.880] moon right next to it, quarter the size
[01:09:47.040] of the Earth. We haven't found it. Yeah,
[01:09:50.080] we're the only one with
[01:09:51.480] it. And there are ancient legends that
[01:09:55.199] talk about a moonless sky and when the
[01:09:57.120] moon arrived and when it arrived it it
[01:10:00.480] caused a caused a great flood. What are
[01:10:03.600] the ancient stories of a moonless sky?
[01:10:06.080] Where are they from? Um ancient Indian
[01:10:08.400] texts will have it but also native
[01:10:09.920] legends will have it about the moon
[01:10:12.239] about a moonless sky and then the moon
[01:10:13.679] arrives and when do they think the moon
[01:10:16.320] arrived? It's it's hard to tell. You
[01:10:19.040] know, I always go to younger dries.
[01:10:20.560] Younger dries, but but who really knows?
[01:10:22.480] The Earth was apparently just covered in
[01:10:24.360] this haze, just very wet, very hazy,
[01:10:28.960] maybe like Venus or something like that.
[01:10:31.280] Then the moon arrives and all that water
[01:10:33.760] from the atmosphere drops down to Earth.
[01:10:36.239] The tidal forces are crazy. There's a
[01:10:38.080] huge flood and everything just settles
[01:10:39.520] and then the moon is here and the moon
[01:10:41.920] is now like the guardian of the planet,
[01:10:43.840] which it really is. We could, you know,
[01:10:45.840] we couldn't really survive without it
[01:10:47.440] because it stabilizes our atmosphere,
[01:10:49.199] right? Stabilizes us and stabilizes our
[01:10:51.600] orbit. Our orbit and and our um spin and
[01:10:54.560] our axis like when there's a major
[01:10:56.560] earthquake, the earth changes speed. The
[01:10:59.120] spin ch like our spin it change like
[01:11:01.440] measurably if there's a big earthquake.
[01:11:03.520] And if there's a lot of those, that
[01:11:05.679] could throw you off the axis, but the
[01:11:07.199] moon steps in like a bouncer and it
[01:11:08.960] settles things back down.
[01:11:11.239] Hm. So, the idea would be that some sort
[01:11:14.400] of a superior civilization place the
[01:11:17.600] moon there to ensure our survival. I
[01:11:20.159] don't I don't think they care about us.
[01:11:21.920] Really? No, I don't think so. How come?
[01:11:25.040] Again, we're we're we're in very
[01:11:27.760] speculative territory because nobody
[01:11:29.360] knows, right? But I would think it would
[01:11:30.800] just be for resources. Hey, this place
[01:11:33.120] has a lot of stable water.
[01:11:36.000] That's useful. Don't you think they
[01:11:37.760] would be fascinated with us as an
[01:11:39.199] emerging civilization? And like I always
[01:11:41.600] say that if we found a planet that had
[01:11:43.679] cave people on it, like just starting to
[01:11:45.760] learn stone tools and stuff like that,
[01:11:47.600] we would for sure be interested in them.
[01:11:49.600] We'd be so fascinated and we would
[01:11:52.560] probably try to accelerate their
[01:11:55.040] learning curve. You think we would?
[01:11:57.360] Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
[01:11:59.679] think of what a lot of these jerkoffs
[01:12:01.679] have done with like unconted tribes and
[01:12:04.320] stuff like that. We're always trying to
[01:12:06.320] intervene and do something with them.
[01:12:08.880] You know the dark forest theory? No.
[01:12:11.040] It's Lucian Sha who wrote the threebody
[01:12:13.040] problem and all those. Oh dark forest
[01:12:15.600] theory says that if you attain a certain
[01:12:19.040] level of technology the best thing you
[01:12:20.719] can do is just be quiet because because
[01:12:22.960] the universe is a dark forest and the
[01:12:24.800] first person to stick his head out dies
[01:12:27.280] because you don't want a competitor in
[01:12:30.000] your region. So, as soon as a a culture
[01:12:33.440] gets close to some technology that could
[01:12:35.679] maybe that they're on a path to threaten
[01:12:37.280] you, you got to take them out. You got
[01:12:38.800] to you got to halt their technology. And
[01:12:40.400] threebody problems is kind of based on
[01:12:42.480] that. That's what they do in the books.
[01:12:44.800] And that seems to make a little more
[01:12:46.560] sense to me than sort of this
[01:12:48.000] altruistic, hey, let's help them, you
[01:12:50.080] know, the Star Trek approach. Let's
[01:12:52.080] let's make first contact and all of
[01:12:53.840] that. You know, I I like, you know,
[01:12:57.600] human nature is a tricky thing.
[01:13:00.640] We're very
[01:13:02.040] selfish. You know, you and I might want
[01:13:04.400] to see those people and help them along,
[01:13:06.080] but there's a there's a lot of people
[01:13:07.600] that would not want a competitor in the
[01:13:09.760] neighborhood. Well, yeah, maybe. But
[01:13:13.199] what if they don't even think of us as a
[01:13:14.880] competitor? What if they're they're so
[01:13:16.560] advanced? Like if they're millions of
[01:13:18.719] years advanced, wouldn't they they like
[01:13:21.280] this is the thing that Diana Pulka and
[01:13:23.199] Gary Nolan and a lot of these people
[01:13:24.640] that study crashed
[01:13:27.239] retrievalss the there's a term that they
[01:13:30.120] use that these are donations, right?
[01:13:34.320] That these vehicles are donations and
[01:13:36.239] that the idea is we're supposed to look
[01:13:37.840] at this and formulate new ideas through
[01:13:40.800] reverse engineering.
[01:13:43.280] And there, you know, there's
[01:13:45.199] circumstantial evidence that that's
[01:13:46.640] true. If you look at Bell Labs and all
[01:13:48.080] the crazy discoveries after Roswell,
[01:13:50.640] like we're using cathode ray tubes and
[01:13:53.360] suddenly transistors are made and
[01:13:54.880] silicon semiconductors and wireless
[01:13:56.800] transmission and Bell Labs is all these
[01:13:59.040] leaps forward. fiber optics, fiber
[01:14:01.360] optics, laser technology came out of
[01:14:03.120] Bell as well and um you know the
[01:14:06.159] retrieval experts say that fiber optics
[01:14:08.880] and lasers for sure is reverse
[01:14:11.080] engineered and it kind of makes a lot of
[01:14:14.239] sense because it seemed to have come out
[01:14:15.760] of
[01:14:16.679] nowhere suddenly Bell Labs has it you
[01:14:19.600] know but it you know
[01:14:21.320] it's my question is where where is the
[01:14:24.120] stuff you know we got World War II we go
[01:14:27.040] into Korea in 1950 and at the
[01:14:30.120] time Russia Russia had the MiG 15 was
[01:14:33.440] basically on par with us. I think we had
[01:14:35.280] the the F86 at the time which and MIG
[01:14:37.600] might have even been better. So that
[01:14:39.760] would would have been a great time for
[01:14:41.199] some advanced tech. Um but America did
[01:14:43.840] catch up and exceed the Soviets about 51
[01:14:46.400] 52 you know during Korea and then has
[01:14:48.719] been superior ever since. But you would
[01:14:50.800] think that after 47 with the Soviets
[01:14:53.760] there let's get some of this anti-
[01:14:56.679] gravitic stuff going. Yeah. Maybe the
[01:14:59.840] problem is that you're working in this
[01:15:02.400] very compartmentalized environment. So
[01:15:04.239] you're not allowed to share with all
[01:15:06.080] these different scientists. So because
[01:15:08.480] of that there's no collaboration which
[01:15:10.480] is necessary for real innovation. You
[01:15:12.080] have to have experts from a bunch of
[01:15:13.600] different fields analyzing all the
[01:15:15.760] different aspects of it. This is what
[01:15:17.679] Lazar pointed to the problems that they
[01:15:20.159] were having at S4 when they were trying
[01:15:22.320] to back engineer this stuff. He's like
[01:15:23.920] you can't do science like this because
[01:15:25.199] everything is so top secret and so
[01:15:26.840] compartmentalized. the metallurgists
[01:15:28.880] were not allowed to talk to the
[01:15:30.000] propulsions people and no one was
[01:15:32.400] allowed to talk to anybody else and
[01:15:33.920] everybody was just like what the is
[01:15:35.840] going on like what are these things
[01:15:37.600] where like they didn't even tell him
[01:15:39.679] allegedly you know if the story is true
[01:15:41.360] they didn't even tell him where this
[01:15:42.800] thing came from they they show it to him
[01:15:44.880] and there's a United States flag sticker
[01:15:47.040] on it and he's like oh this is ours oh
[01:15:50.480] that makes sense and then he's examining
[01:15:52.640] he's like oh no it's not like there's no
[01:15:55.040] seams in this thing like what is this
[01:15:57.199] What's What is the metal? Why is it
[01:15:59.679] designed for something that's 3 ft tall?
[01:16:02.080] Like there's no controls inside this
[01:16:03.840] thing. Like what is this reactor? How
[01:16:05.840] does this thing work? There's a chair.
[01:16:08.080] Yeah. You know, there's a couple of
[01:16:09.280] chairs. It looks like there's a neural
[01:16:10.719] interface. Maybe I you know, you hear a
[01:16:13.280] lot of the scientists their frustration
[01:16:15.760] like if I could just talk to these guys,
[01:16:18.560] you know, I'm I'm picking up an an EM
[01:16:20.480] field from this. The metallurgist would
[01:16:22.239] be helpful here to tell me what's going
[01:16:24.239] on. You know, I I keep coming across
[01:16:26.320] spinning Mercury all the time. Spinning
[01:16:28.640] Mercury. The spinning Mercury engine has
[01:16:30.640] been part of the lore since ancient
[01:16:33.520] India has the Vmanas. You know, those
[01:16:35.600] those craft. If you look at the ancient
[01:16:37.679] texts, it may have been the in the
[01:16:38.960] Mahabarata. But but they allude to this
[01:16:41.840] liquid metal and then you fast forward
[01:16:44.239] to like the Nazis building the bell, the
[01:16:46.840] delock, that was a mercury engine. And
[01:16:49.520] then we fast forward a little further.
[01:16:50.880] Mark Mcandalish in the ARV vehicle the
[01:16:53.760] um I forget the flux liner that is a
[01:16:56.239] that's spinning mercury engine. So
[01:16:59.120] spinning mercury keeps keeps popping up
[01:17:01.600] and spinning mercury would cause some
[01:17:03.840] type of field. What that would be I'm
[01:17:06.320] not a scientist or physicist. I'm not
[01:17:07.679] sure but it would certainly throw off a
[01:17:09.760] bunch of ions that could maybe be
[01:17:11.120] harnessed or used for something. Well,
[01:17:13.679] it's it's like we're trying to explain
[01:17:16.400] things to us based on our current
[01:17:20.239] understanding of technology. Like glass
[01:17:22.800] was invented a long time ago, but
[01:17:25.520] imagine showing up with uh a a brand new
[01:17:29.880] Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra with Gorilla
[01:17:33.560] Glass, you know, in the thin frame and
[01:17:36.560] looking at the What the is this?
[01:17:39.040] There'd be statues of him for a thousand
[01:17:40.719] years. Well, you know what glass is and
[01:17:42.000] you know what metal is, right? Well,
[01:17:43.120] this is glass and metal. You're like,
[01:17:44.560] "What? What?" No. What the is this?
[01:17:47.360] We took sand and made it real hot and it
[01:17:49.360] made it clear. Huh? What? And you you
[01:17:52.239] can drop it on the concrete and it
[01:17:53.600] doesn't break. What? Yeah. So, just our
[01:17:56.800] current understanding of technology
[01:17:58.800] based on the origins of that technology,
[01:18:01.360] just metal and glass, you know, you you
[01:18:03.760] show someone metal and glass is
[01:18:06.640] thousands of years old. show them what
[01:18:08.800] we have now with metal and glass, they'd
[01:18:10.719] be blown away. And you just keep going,
[01:18:12.800] keep going, go a thousand years from
[01:18:14.560] now. Like, what does it all look like?
[01:18:16.159] It's
[01:18:17.000] like probably some sort of gravity
[01:18:19.199] propulsion system, probably 3D printed.
[01:18:21.520] So, there are no seams, right? Yeah. And
[01:18:23.920] that's the frustration about disclosure
[01:18:25.760] is how far could we be by now, right?
[01:18:29.120] You know, had had there been disclosure
[01:18:30.719] in 47 or whatever. It's even more of a
[01:18:33.040] scop if it's all Like it's a
[01:18:35.440] scop if it's act if it actually is like
[01:18:37.679] wow the government is actually really
[01:18:39.040] good at one thing. They're good at
[01:18:40.080] keeping secrets about UFOs. That's
[01:18:41.920] right. But if they're not if it's all
[01:18:44.159] like boy how weird that we've
[01:18:47.520] been like focusing on this nonsense like
[01:18:49.840] as a culture. It got in the front page
[01:18:51.280] of the New York Times in 2017. But
[01:18:53.440] meanwhile it's all nonsense, right?
[01:18:55.920] That's almost less likely. Well, if you
[01:18:58.640] look at what Dodie did in the 70s and
[01:19:00.400] 80s with Paul Benowitz when when
[01:19:02.400] Benowitz discovered this advanced
[01:19:04.719] technology on Kirtland Air Force Base,
[01:19:06.960] you know, he called the base and said,
[01:19:08.880] "Hey, I think there's UFOs." So, they
[01:19:11.199] send Dodie out. He was he was Air Force
[01:19:12.960] Intelligence OSI. They sent him out to
[01:19:14.719] Benitz and they and and he's like,
[01:19:16.880] "Paul, I think it think it might be
[01:19:18.320] UFOs. It is aliens." And Paul, you know,
[01:19:20.640] Paul gets a little bit wacky and he
[01:19:22.480] starts intercepting signals from outer
[01:19:24.719] space and and they're sending him
[01:19:26.800] messages, but it turned out it's really
[01:19:28.159] the NSA rented a house across the street
[01:19:31.159] and Paul is committed at some point. And
[01:19:34.159] then Dodie over the years changes his
[01:19:36.719] story and in says no, a lot of it is
[01:19:38.880] actually true. Um, but Dodie has also he
[01:19:42.080] said as recently as 2019, Alputo put off
[01:19:44.400] tried to recruit him for a
[01:19:45.440] disinformation campaign with uh with
[01:19:47.360] ATP. Really? So, how put off has been a
[01:19:51.199] part of disinformation campaigns
[01:19:53.920] allegedly? Allegedly forever. And what
[01:19:57.440] have they been doing with these
[01:19:58.880] disinformation campaigns? What have they
[01:20:00.640] been trying to muddle? Just to keep guys
[01:20:04.640] like you and me fascinated and trying to
[01:20:06.960] figure stuff out while they can just
[01:20:08.480] operate their advanced technology in
[01:20:10.159] peace. Like, let them think it's aliens
[01:20:12.159] and UFOs. That's fine. What a dirty
[01:20:15.120] thing to do to in the 50s. They were
[01:20:17.440] very public about anti-gravity. It was
[01:20:19.120] in the papers that, you know, the G
[01:20:20.800] engine. They were talking about it and
[01:20:22.320] then suddenly quiet. Yeah. Jesse
[01:20:24.880] Michaels talks about that all the time.
[01:20:26.080] The Townson Brown. Yes. Yeah. Towns and
[01:20:29.679] and uh Ning Lee. Remember her story? The
[01:20:32.800] physicist who Right. And then she died
[01:20:34.560] in a car accident after she came back
[01:20:36.159] from China. Oops. Oopsies. Mhm. Yeah.
[01:20:40.880] Yep. So that was So that was AC gravity
[01:20:43.120] if you guys want to look that up. She
[01:20:45.360] she used to give talks and all of that.
[01:20:47.679] She was funded by DoD for $400,000. So,
[01:20:51.360] we know that for sure. And then she just
[01:20:53.520] goes dark. She goes dark for 11 years.
[01:20:56.400] Shows up I think in 2013. She's back.
[01:20:58.960] 2014 gets hit by a car.
[01:21:03.520] Why is it so fun? I don't know. Mark
[01:21:05.679] Mlan just found all that stuff. Ended up
[01:21:07.600] killing himself. All this stuff is so
[01:21:09.280] fun. which is why the Y files are so
[01:21:11.199] good because it's like I always get the
[01:21:13.280] same feeling when I watch your show.
[01:21:15.280] It's like, oh, what is the answer? What
[01:21:17.920] is real? What is it? But it's what is it
[01:21:21.120] about us that's so intrigued by these
[01:21:24.320] mysteries? I mean, there's so much that
[01:21:26.239] we know that is real. Just the just the
[01:21:29.199] nature of the cosmos itself, of black
[01:21:32.000] holes and solar nurseries and all all
[01:21:34.960] the wild that's absolutely real.
[01:21:38.080] But there's these things that are like,
[01:21:40.320] "Yeah, but what is that?" I I don't
[01:21:42.800] think enough people are interested in it
[01:21:44.239] to be honest. I think that's part of the
[01:21:45.840] problem. Well, I don't you think it's
[01:21:47.840] because for the most part it's dismissed
[01:21:50.000] and if you engage in it. So like if
[01:21:52.000] you're a normal person, not like you or
[01:21:53.600] I, but if you're a person that has like
[01:21:55.679] a job in an accounting firm, you're like
[01:21:59.120] a very respected legitimate person,
[01:22:01.840] especially like
[01:22:03.080] pre207, pre the New York Times article,
[01:22:05.679] and you want to start talking about like
[01:22:07.600] gravity propulsion systems that the
[01:22:09.360] government's been hiding. And there's
[01:22:11.520] back engineering programs. They've got
[01:22:13.600] crash UFOs and there's one of them. It's
[01:22:16.639] only like a couple hundred feet wide,
[01:22:18.159] but you go inside of it, it's the size
[01:22:19.520] of a football field like Right. Like the
[01:22:21.520] TARDIS. Yeah. Or the one in Korea that's
[01:22:24.320] so big they had to build a building
[01:22:25.760] around it because they couldn't move it.
[01:22:28.320] Right. I want to know what that is.
[01:22:30.320] Same. Same. I don't I wish more people
[01:22:32.960] were interested in it. I'm I would
[01:22:34.320] almost be willing to run for president
[01:22:36.000] just to get access. Just if I ran for
[01:22:39.679] president, the company would be in
[01:22:41.040] shambles, but everybody would know
[01:22:42.400] everything about UFOs. Dude, you have no
[01:22:44.400] shot. You have no Oh, I have no shot.
[01:22:46.159] They would kill me for sure. I can't I
[01:22:48.000] can't believe the things you say are
[01:22:49.360] news. Oh, yeah. Well, it's cuz news is
[01:22:52.000] like really dead. Yes. They're they're
[01:22:55.199] angry about about independent media.
[01:22:57.280] Well, they are, but it's also the news
[01:22:59.840] is not So, their business is just
[01:23:02.880] clicks. And what better way to get
[01:23:05.199] clicks than I said something crazy. And
[01:23:07.679] so then, you know, and then it also kind
[01:23:09.440] of supports the idea that we need to be
[01:23:10.880] gatekeeped and someone needs to, you
[01:23:13.280] know, be able to stop us from spreading
[01:23:15.280] misinformation or my favorite term,
[01:23:18.440] malinformation. This is something that
[01:23:20.320] came up during co that we need to stop
[01:23:22.800] the spread of misinformation,
[01:23:24.800] disinformation, and malinformation.
[01:23:27.719] Malinformation is real information that
[01:23:30.800] is true and accurate but would be
[01:23:34.080] negative in its impact to society,
[01:23:37.760] which is it's bonkers. We can't live in
[01:23:40.480] that society. Well, that's they're
[01:23:41.760] they're making us infants, right?
[01:23:43.440] They're saying, "We can handle this, but
[01:23:46.000] the the vast majority of you, even
[01:23:48.239] though we're all supposed to be equal
[01:23:49.440] and the government's supposed to be
[01:23:50.480] working for you and serving the people,
[01:23:53.120] no, we will have this information and we
[01:23:56.000] will know what we're doing and you won't
[01:23:57.440] be able to have access to it because
[01:23:58.719] you're not ready for it because you're
[01:23:59.920] too stupid." They lost. They lost
[01:24:01.920] already. They just don't know it yet.
[01:24:03.520] But they lost. Yeah, they lost a long
[01:24:05.040] time ago. I'm going to I'm going to put
[01:24:06.400] out an episode about how dragons are
[01:24:08.000] real and when I get to the debunk, I'm
[01:24:09.760] going to say nothing. They're real.
[01:24:11.520] Peace out.
[01:24:13.199] triangular spacecraft. What is this?
[01:24:15.520] Stumbled down a lower rabbit hole and
[01:24:17.040] found a patent that exists or did exist
[01:24:20.400] that was abandoned in 2006. This could
[01:24:23.120] be the I forget the SR was it 7RB.
[01:24:27.520] There's a T3B. This is like the ones
[01:24:30.239] that they always see like the Phoenix
[01:24:32.080] lights and that one. So it says a
[01:24:34.159] spacecraft having a triangular hull with
[01:24:36.719] vertical electrostatic line charges on
[01:24:39.920] each corner that produce a horizontal
[01:24:41.679] electric field parallel to the sides of
[01:24:43.520] the hull. This field interacting with a
[01:24:46.480] plane wave emitted by antennas on the
[01:24:48.800] side of the hull generates a force per
[01:24:50.880] volume combining both lift and
[01:24:53.040] propulsion.
[01:24:54.560] What does all the math but like I don't
[01:24:57.280] know how to do this math and if someone
[01:24:58.880] Oh, we need to get Eric here. Someone
[01:25:00.320] can look at and be like that's not real.
[01:25:01.679] get Eric Weinstein to like do that math.
[01:25:03.679] Hasn't been made obviously or that we
[01:25:05.840] know of it has and I'm surprised it's
[01:25:08.560] not classified.
[01:25:10.320] Um there's other according to this
[01:25:12.080] article though that's where I found it.
[01:25:13.440] There's what it was about the T3B thing,
[01:25:15.520] right? So that that's that's a real
[01:25:17.040] experimental aircraft. Does America have
[01:25:18.560] a reverse engineered UFO? Whoa.
[01:25:22.159] This goes back to 1991 with the Desert
[01:25:24.480] Storm. There's reports of what they call
[01:25:26.239] a
[01:25:27.080] TR3A, which looks a lot like what the
[01:25:29.360] stealth bomber kind of is, but also
[01:25:31.440] Whoa. Yep. No.
[01:25:34.120] TR3B is said to be like nothing we've
[01:25:36.880] seen before.
[01:25:38.719] This was what the I got to from Liquid
[01:25:40.400] Mercury. I was trying to find stuff
[01:25:42.080] about it and there's theories that
[01:25:43.920] people will say that like this is
[01:25:45.360] probably what they're running off of.
[01:25:46.800] It's supposedly powered by a reverse
[01:25:48.800] engineered anti-gravity drive that was
[01:25:51.120] recovered from a crashed alien
[01:25:52.719] spacecraft. The TR3B is where reports of
[01:25:56.440] UAP performing seemingly impossible
[01:25:58.960] aerial maneuvers intersect with stories
[01:26:01.040] about very real aircraft. Read the next
[01:26:03.120] paragraph. There are lots of claims over
[01:26:05.120] the internet about TR3B's anti-gravity
[01:26:08.000] drive, most of which include using
[01:26:09.600] nuclear power to rotate highly
[01:26:12.239] pressurized mercury to produce plasma
[01:26:15.679] and in turn a gravitational field.
[01:26:19.199] Whoa.
[01:26:21.040] Something about the mercury. Have you
[01:26:22.639] ever heard Eric Weinstein talk about
[01:26:24.320] this? Uh there's a college in upstate
[01:26:27.520] New York that has an incredibly
[01:26:29.360] overqualified physics department and
[01:26:31.440] they're attached to a hedge fund that
[01:26:33.280] does Bernie Maidoff type numbers and he
[01:26:36.080] thinks the whole thing is a cover for
[01:26:38.320] some sort of advanced physics that they
[01:26:41.280] have been keeping a lockdown on and it
[01:26:43.840] would make total sense. I mean, SRRI
[01:26:46.000] would be another good example of that,
[01:26:48.000] right? Where how where was in the 70s
[01:26:50.000] with project Stargate and all of that in
[01:26:51.760] Stanford. The idea that the government
[01:26:53.520] can't keep secrets. Like, what about
[01:26:55.719] Epstein? What? Come on. People ask me
[01:26:58.320] all the time, in front of everybody's
[01:27:00.080] face and they've kept the list a secret.
[01:27:02.159] We're never going to see the list. Stop
[01:27:03.600] asking me. You're not going to see the
[01:27:05.280] list. Why not? Because everybody, all
[01:27:06.960] your heroes are on it. And they're on it
[01:27:08.639] a lot. It's never coming out. Yeah. And
[01:27:12.000] you know, you know, I have a friend that
[01:27:14.080] thinks like a lot of the world events
[01:27:15.840] that you're seeing, one of the reasons
[01:27:16.960] why people support it is because of
[01:27:19.080] Epstein, because of the list, because
[01:27:21.040] people are compromised because no one
[01:27:22.320] can talk about things, you know, which
[01:27:24.400] is like really W. So the government can
[01:27:26.880] keep some secrets. Manhattan project was
[01:27:30.159] secret. They Yeah, they did a great job
[01:27:31.920] with that. And that was one that, you
[01:27:35.360] know, I mean, it was a race between us
[01:27:39.120] and the other foreign powers. They were
[01:27:41.520] all trying to come up with a nuclear
[01:27:42.800] bomb first. We did it first. The idea
[01:27:45.560] that there's no way that we could have
[01:27:48.639] some sort of advanced propulsion system
[01:27:50.560] and that modern physicists would be
[01:27:53.440] aware of the state-of-the-art and they
[01:27:55.360] would tell you, "Yeah, no, this is not
[01:27:57.560] possible." I don't I don't think that's
[01:27:59.600] correct. I think you could probably if
[01:28:01.600] you were working on something and you
[01:28:03.719] had a very specific hierarchy and you
[01:28:07.520] were really good at compartmentalization
[01:28:09.520] and you were recruiting these people at
[01:28:11.840] a very early stage in their career,
[01:28:14.560] people with promise, these geniuses,
[01:28:16.960] giving them a very high salary, a
[01:28:19.120] prestigious position, but then
[01:28:21.120] everything's locked down. Cell phones,
[01:28:23.560] email, they're under constant
[01:28:25.520] surveillance. And if somebody steps out
[01:28:27.199] of line, like the lady in Maryland, the
[01:28:30.000] Chinese lady. Yep. And a lot of them, a
[01:28:32.880] lot of them go that way. Yeah. You know,
[01:28:34.320] I'm very I'm skeptical about a lot of
[01:28:36.080] the whistleblowers, especially the ones
[01:28:37.679] that come out of Air Force intelligence
[01:28:39.120] and all that. But they do. Even when I'm
[01:28:41.760] talking to them, I'm like, hm. Well, I
[01:28:43.920] mean, you know, I have I kind of have
[01:28:45.840] that needle of skepticism and it starts
[01:28:48.639] with, do you have a background in
[01:28:50.159] intelligence? Yes. Military
[01:28:51.679] intelligence, Air Force intelligence.
[01:28:53.440] Are you are you still on the payroll?
[01:28:55.520] Did you get your information cleared
[01:28:56.719] from the Pentagon? Do you have a book?
[01:28:58.960] Yeah. And it all goes, did you did you
[01:29:02.080] release some photos that were fake? I'm
[01:29:04.080] over here. Then you go, Bob Lazar, he
[01:29:06.239] has none of that stuff. Did the
[01:29:08.000] government target you? Did they try to
[01:29:10.000] discredit you? You know, have you been
[01:29:11.440] ostracized? When when Lazar came out, I
[01:29:13.920] think was to George Knap, he was he
[01:29:16.400] didn't say his name, right? He didn't
[01:29:18.320] have any books. The first book, I think,
[01:29:20.239] was with him and Jeremy in 2019, right?
[01:29:22.560] So Lazar to me is the most credible
[01:29:25.520] of the whistleblowers, right? But um but
[01:29:28.719] Jeremy and George just had a
[01:29:29.840] whistleblower a couple of weeks ago
[01:29:31.040] who's pretty credible. He's a young guy.
[01:29:32.480] He's clear clearly nervous and he has
[01:29:34.960] some very interesting information about
[01:29:37.199] um what is it? Immaculate constellation.
[01:29:39.760] Which guy is this? I don't I don't
[01:29:41.679] remember his name. It's very new. Is
[01:29:42.960] that the bald guy? No. No. No. The bald
[01:29:45.600] guy, I think, is Air Force intelligence.
[01:29:48.480] This is a kid whose career is ruined and
[01:29:50.480] he's maybe in his 20s and you can see
[01:29:52.480] he's clearly nervous. Um, and what is
[01:29:55.360] his claim? His claim is that
[01:29:58.679] he was going through some files, you
[01:30:01.040] know, he's got top secret clearance and
[01:30:02.480] he found the Immaculate Constellation
[01:30:04.560] project. Basically, a PowerPoint
[01:30:06.520] presentation and his job was just to
[01:30:08.960] sort these files. He and he's looking
[01:30:11.520] through it and suddenly it's like, whoa,
[01:30:13.760] this is about recovery and alien craft.
[01:30:18.080] And uh, and he did the right thing and
[01:30:19.920] went to his superiors and said, you
[01:30:21.840] know, there's a leakage. I saw
[01:30:23.920] information I maybe wasn't supposed to.
[01:30:25.440] I'm just letting you know. And his peers
[01:30:27.120] were like, "Yeah, forget about it." And
[01:30:29.600] he's like, "And that was it. It's just
[01:30:31.920] no reprimand, no nothing. I just went
[01:30:34.320] back to work." But he was too fascinated
[01:30:36.400] by the document, so he kept pursuing it
[01:30:38.159] and pursuing it. And um and now he talks
[01:30:40.800] about it. I don't know his name, but if
[01:30:42.639] you track down, you know, Jeremy and
[01:30:44.080] George, you'll find it easily. That's
[01:30:46.000] the kid. Yeah. So, here's a way that I
[01:30:49.600] would kind of try to debunk
[01:30:53.239] that. If I was being logical, if I was
[01:30:56.560] the government and I did have some very
[01:31:00.480] sophisticated propulsion system that's
[01:31:02.639] beyond the understanding of what we
[01:31:04.880] think to be current state-of-the-art
[01:31:06.639] physics, like beyond far beyond that, I
[01:31:09.520] think I might release a bunch of
[01:31:11.280] horseshit about
[01:31:13.000] UFOs%. Yeah, I might put a bunch of that
[01:31:15.360] stuff out there to say, "Oh, it can't be
[01:31:17.760] ours. It's not ours. It's it's not of
[01:31:20.719] this world." Muddy the waters. Yeah. Not
[01:31:23.120] Not just that, but
[01:31:24.840] attach like really kooky stuff to stuff
[01:31:27.920] that's real so that you think the real
[01:31:31.040] stuff is kooky, right? Like like the
[01:31:33.199] drone scared. Remember that? That was
[01:31:36.159] very manufactured and the the press was
[01:31:38.480] all over. We don't know where the drones
[01:31:39.840] are. They're all flying over the
[01:31:40.960] military bases. All that stuff. What do
[01:31:43.120] you think that was? I know what it was.
[01:31:44.320] I've seen the NOTAM reports. I don't Do
[01:31:45.920] you know what a NOTAM is? No. That's a
[01:31:47.440] notice to airmen. So, pilots, private
[01:31:49.360] pilots get warning of no fly zones.
[01:31:53.639] And usually you'll see a lot of swaths
[01:31:56.880] carved out if like Air Force One's
[01:31:58.639] flying through, but for some reason,
[01:32:00.159] these notam reports have all these
[01:32:01.760] little circles all around that you can't
[01:32:03.280] fly through where the drones were. And
[01:32:05.199] I've seen that. And when did the drones
[01:32:08.320] they suddenly stopped? When? Right.
[01:32:10.000] right before inauguration day. Yeah. And
[01:32:13.199] no and no one talks about the drones
[01:32:15.040] anymore. Yeah. It's gone. Gone. I mean,
[01:32:17.199] it was mainstream news all over the
[01:32:19.199] place and they had people nervous. Yeah.
[01:32:22.400] They had them nervous and I think that
[01:32:23.840] was the point. So, you think they did it
[01:32:25.679] as a scop just to see how people would
[01:32:27.360] react? I do. And remember, I know
[01:32:28.960] nothing, right? Right. But that is my
[01:32:30.639] opinion is that it was a SC up and that
[01:32:32.320] most of this is
[01:32:34.719] if there are visitors and there are from
[01:32:38.639] somewhere else. Wouldn't the best way to
[01:32:41.280] prepare us is to start flying a bunch of
[01:32:43.920] like really wacky that we have in
[01:32:46.000] the air and not explain it. That would
[01:32:48.400] be a good way to prepare us. get us
[01:32:50.400] comfortable with seeing things hovering
[01:32:52.639] over New Jersey that defy what our
[01:32:56.320] understanding of drone capabilities are
[01:32:58.480] in terms of the time that they can stay
[01:33:00.639] in the air. Some of them were in the air
[01:33:02.239] like for 5 hours. But if but if that's
[01:33:04.880] what was the reason to get us ready, it
[01:33:06.719] backfired because it freaked people out.
[01:33:10.159] People were very nervous about it. Like
[01:33:12.000] so our military installations are
[01:33:13.600] vulnerable. People were very frightened.
[01:33:16.480] That was the other thing like Wright
[01:33:17.679] Patterson Air Force Base had some drones
[01:33:19.920] and then they had to shut the base down
[01:33:22.000] and Wright Patterson is is like ground
[01:33:24.320] zero for all of it. Project Blue Book
[01:33:26.400] that Roswell Roswell went there. The
[01:33:29.120] second crash. What's the second crash?
[01:33:31.199] The second crash was some miles north
[01:33:33.679] and west of there. And you'll hear Dodie
[01:33:36.000] talk about it and that's where other
[01:33:37.679] pilots were recovered. I think a total
[01:33:40.000] of five or pilots the the EBEs. Oh, the
[01:33:44.000] EBEs. Um, and according to to Dodie and
[01:33:48.320] others, one of the EBS was stayed with
[01:33:51.120] the government, I think in Los Alamos
[01:33:53.120] for 5 years till 1952. There was EVA one
[01:33:55.840] or whatever. Um, he liked strawberry ice
[01:33:59.199] cream.
[01:34:00.880] Who doesn't? Who doesn't, right? That'd
[01:34:03.840] be the first thing I do if I went to
[01:34:05.040] planet Serpos. What's the ice cream like
[01:34:06.560] here? Well, just the idea that they
[01:34:08.880] would eat like we eat seems crazy,
[01:34:12.000] right? And then also they could breathe
[01:34:13.600] our air. Like what are the odds of that?
[01:34:16.159] Well, you know, the theories are, you
[01:34:17.840] know, we never see alien or
[01:34:19.840] whatever, but but there's always a
[01:34:21.600] rebuttal is that, you know, they have a
[01:34:23.199] metabolism that absorbs nutrients and
[01:34:25.600] their waste is recycled and all of that
[01:34:27.440] stuff. Photosynthesis or something like
[01:34:29.440] that. Well, they do seem genderless.
[01:34:34.199] Genderless, giant heads. You know, I
[01:34:36.639] always say that the archetype like the
[01:34:38.159] the grays like Close Encounter Grays, if
[01:34:41.040] you go back to like Neander Dolls and
[01:34:44.320] then you go back to like Australia
[01:34:45.920] Pythecus covered in hair, heavily
[01:34:48.080] muscled and then you go to like the
[01:34:50.560] average dude who plays Call of Duty, you
[01:34:52.560] know, like what do we do? I play Call of
[01:34:54.000] Duty. It's fine. It's a great game, but
[01:34:55.760] you know what I'm saying? It's like
[01:34:56.960] people become like these frail
[01:34:59.840] muscleless things and then your head
[01:35:01.760] keeps getting bigger and bigger as the
[01:35:03.679] mind evolves and then human capabilities
[01:35:07.360] increase in terms of like our ability to
[01:35:09.199] communicate telepathically. All these
[01:35:11.199] different no need for mouth noises
[01:35:12.960] anymore. So your mouth shrivels up to
[01:35:14.719] this little slit and why the eyes so big
[01:35:17.600] and black because you're evolved
[01:35:19.120] underground. Oh, I thought it was like
[01:35:21.360] sunglasses built in. Well, it could be
[01:35:23.840] the same. Like that's what I thought.
[01:35:25.840] I'm like, "Well, that looks like
[01:35:26.880] sunglasses, right?" Like, if you got to
[01:35:28.560] protect your eyeballs if like your
[01:35:30.480] atmosphere is far brighter and you know,
[01:35:33.199] you have to be able to see things. I
[01:35:34.960] think that was there was one retrieval
[01:35:36.560] story that that had that like one of the
[01:35:38.639] black eyes was half open that they
[01:35:40.560] thought it might have been something
[01:35:42.719] like a little shield. Like a shield like
[01:35:44.800] it's a legit recovery story. I can't
[01:35:46.560] remember it off hand.
[01:35:49.120] Like camels have a weird shield over
[01:35:51.199] their eyes for sandstorms, right? Yeah.
[01:35:53.920] like they have like an eyelid, a clear
[01:35:55.679] eyelid that covers over their eyes
[01:35:58.159] that's so they can like go through
[01:36:00.080] sandstorms and not get blinded.
[01:36:03.360] You know, it's an interesting point that
[01:36:05.440] you brought up about Neanderls is and a
[01:36:08.000] lot of people don't know that just just
[01:36:09.440] about 50,000 years ago. Neandertols had
[01:36:12.960] basically an empire. Yeah. Over over all
[01:36:15.679] of Europe and and hundreds of thousands
[01:36:17.679] of years. Hundreds of thousands of
[01:36:18.960] years. And then suddenly boom, they're
[01:36:21.040] defeated by frail, weak, hairless humans
[01:36:24.159] out of caves. And it's attributed to we
[01:36:26.800] figured out a bow and arrow, you know,
[01:36:28.320] we could harass from a distance
[01:36:30.000] projectile weapons and that's how we
[01:36:32.000] defeated this vast empire of Neandertols
[01:36:35.520] who were not stupid, you know, who were
[01:36:37.840] bigger brains than ours. Bigger brains
[01:36:39.360] than ours. They had art, culture, music.
[01:36:41.920] They trained in warfare. They had
[01:36:43.679] organized warfare. I mean, can you
[01:36:45.920] imagine staring down the barrel of a
[01:36:48.000] division of organized Neanderls coming
[01:36:50.320] at you, right? Like essentially super
[01:36:52.800] athletes. Yes. With chimpanzee like
[01:36:55.520] strength, right? And speed. Yeah. And
[01:36:57.920] intelligence. And we came out of the
[01:37:00.239] caves and defeated them. Okay. And eyes
[01:37:02.400] so large that they think their eyes
[01:37:04.560] might have been they might have been
[01:37:05.920] able to see nocturnally. Mhm.
[01:37:09.239] Yeah. I love that episode you guys did
[01:37:11.600] on Neander Dolls. You debunked it at the
[01:37:13.360] end, but the idea that they were like
[01:37:15.440] more apeike than they were human. They
[01:37:17.440] look like monsters, dark skin, fangs.
[01:37:20.400] Yeah, that was a cool episode. Mostly
[01:37:22.480] debunked. But yeah, but I mean, there
[01:37:24.639] probably was some hunting of humans,
[01:37:29.119] you know, for sure. And when you're
[01:37:31.280] dealing with something that's a far
[01:37:32.880] superior physical specimen. Yeah. When
[01:37:35.840] much denser bones, Sure. much stronger
[01:37:38.000] than us. And when we know that we have
[01:37:40.800] some of their DNA in us and it's you
[01:37:42.639] know when when you hear oh we interbred
[01:37:44.639] with them it's not precisely how it went
[01:37:47.840] down most likely it's most likely the
[01:37:50.320] women were carried away is what is
[01:37:52.639] that's how the interbreeding happened.
[01:37:54.239] Yikes. Uhhuh. Yikes. Or horny men and
[01:37:58.560] some lonely Neanderl lady. Some dudes
[01:38:02.239] like a big lady. There's no shame in it.
[01:38:04.400] Yeah. A big thick one to make you some
[01:38:06.560] warrior children.
[01:38:09.199] That's it. Just want to be cup.
[01:38:10.960] Someone's just got dense
[01:38:13.080] bones, you know? I'm looking for a lady
[01:38:15.520] with a dense head. Let's have a dense
[01:38:18.400] baby. Yeah. What do their
[01:38:19.920] language sound like? What? It's like we
[01:38:23.440] used to think of them as being really
[01:38:24.880] stupid and until they realized that
[01:38:26.719] their brain mass is actually larger than
[01:38:28.639] ours and they were capable of language
[01:38:30.480] and all these different things like okay
[01:38:32.800] like how did we beat them? I don't know.
[01:38:35.199] That is a puzzle that you know the
[01:38:37.040] answer is projectiles.
[01:38:40.159] Well, it kind of makes sense. I mean, if
[01:38:42.560] we were the only ones to figure out bows
[01:38:44.080] and arrows and adeladles and all that
[01:38:46.400] kind of stuff, it would work. Maybe.
[01:38:48.239] Yeah. Especially if we organized, you
[01:38:50.560] know,
[01:38:52.080] but you could still overwhelm how, you
[01:38:54.800] know, you could overwhelm a few archers
[01:38:57.679] with just we would just throw bodies at
[01:38:59.840] it. You know, warfare has been fought
[01:39:01.920] like that for humans forever. Maybe
[01:39:03.760] their language is too crude to allow for
[01:39:06.480] that kind of communication, like to
[01:39:09.320] strategize and you know what I'm saying?
[01:39:11.679] Like maybe their language is like very
[01:39:13.600] crude normal day-to-day stuff. I'm
[01:39:15.920] hungry. I want to like let's kill
[01:39:18.080] these people. It was not complicated
[01:39:20.239] enough to say like we got an issue here.
[01:39:22.239] Here's the issue. We got to get around
[01:39:24.080] them from the back end, you know, and
[01:39:25.840] you guys got to distract them from the
[01:39:27.280] front and this is what we'll do, you
[01:39:29.520] know? I mean, that's the only thing that
[01:39:32.000] makes sense. Yeah, but it still doesn't
[01:39:34.239] make complete sense to me. Why were
[01:39:35.840] their brains bigger than ours? That's
[01:39:37.440] the weird one. Like we associate larger
[01:39:39.840] brains with more complex thinking. So
[01:39:42.560] why would what we think of as the most
[01:39:44.719] brutish version of human beings? I don't
[01:39:47.520] know. But don't don't Neanderthal brains
[01:39:49.840] even though they were larger had fewer
[01:39:51.639] convolutions? So Oh, really? Do we know
[01:39:53.920] that? Um I that's part of my research
[01:39:56.480] which you know most of it's but
[01:39:58.159] that's what I read. you know, large
[01:40:00.400] brain but not as powerful. But
[01:40:02.960] interesting. Well, so maybe the large
[01:40:04.400] brain was attributable to physical
[01:40:07.760] capability. Just the fact that you can
[01:40:10.239] produce music tells me a so so much
[01:40:13.600] about your brain and they produce music.
[01:40:15.679] They produce music and art. How do we
[01:40:16.880] know that? We found we found relics and
[01:40:18.960] artifacts of it of musical instruments.
[01:40:21.199] Instruments and cave writing and all
[01:40:24.000] that stuff. We you know they used
[01:40:25.840] needles and thread to make clothing.
[01:40:28.239] Really? Mhm.
[01:40:30.639] Wow. Yeah. Very strange that we beat
[01:40:32.960] them. That's a Neanderthal tool. Flute.
[01:40:35.199] A flute. Neanderthal flute. Some sort of
[01:40:36.800] flute. Whoa. A bone flute
[01:40:40.960] made with the bone of your defeated
[01:40:42.639] enemy. Yeah. Some dude you ate. Mhm.
[01:40:46.239] Made a flute out of his shin.
[01:40:49.920] They figured out that death whistle back
[01:40:51.280] then, too. That's sort of musical. Oh,
[01:40:53.600] the Aztec death. It's not the same, but
[01:40:55.760] Aztec death. That's That's a scary one.
[01:40:58.239] Yeah, Brian Callen blew it on this show
[01:41:00.800] in 2019 and COVID started right
[01:41:03.119] afterwards. That's they summoned the
[01:41:04.800] demons. Yeah, I think remember that?
[01:41:07.040] Yeah, that was January 2020. Oh, okay.
[01:41:09.679] It was like weeks weeks weeks before.
[01:41:11.440] Weeks before the lockdown. CO was
[01:41:13.679] already here. Might have even been
[01:41:14.800] closer. I think CO was already here by
[01:41:16.800] then. It's like with the anti-gravity.
[01:41:18.239] Why can't we cooperate with the Chinese?
[01:41:20.480] Yeah. Nope. No. Well, we kind of we kind
[01:41:23.199] we know how to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
[01:41:27.199] it's also fascinating to me how many
[01:41:29.360] different versions of human beings
[01:41:31.400] existed, you know. Um, there's um the
[01:41:35.199] hobbit people on the island of Flores,
[01:41:37.679] right? That's a fascinating florian,
[01:41:40.080] something like that. Whatever it is.
[01:41:41.840] Yep. Yeah. The three-foot tall little
[01:41:43.600] furry creatures that they think had
[01:41:46.159] tools and Yep. wore clothing and all
[01:41:48.960] that jazz. Yeah. And there's even the
[01:41:52.239] different branches like Cro-Magn is not
[01:41:54.560] really from our branch. That's that's a
[01:41:56.960] different Yeah, we branch from a
[01:41:58.320] different branch. So, Dennis Ovenans,
[01:42:01.920] Dennis, Right. And then the what are the
[01:42:03.920] big head people that they just found
[01:42:05.800] recently? This is like super recent.
[01:42:08.080] Like there was a an article that was
[01:42:10.239] made in December of 2024 about this
[01:42:13.679] other new branch of the human species
[01:42:16.080] that had much larger heads than ours.
[01:42:18.239] And they think it was like this really
[01:42:20.040] thick, muscular, like heavy human being.
[01:42:24.800] What is it called again? Jewelry. Julen.
[01:42:27.280] Yeah.
[01:42:29.280] Big head people. Yeah. So, they
[01:42:32.159] disappeared around the same time as the
[01:42:33.760] Anals 50,000 years ago. Have you seen
[01:42:36.080] the images of what they the
[01:42:37.639] reconstruction may see? Go to some of
[01:42:40.159] the drawings of what these people look
[01:42:41.520] like. They looked insane. Were
[01:42:43.360] they taller? Uh I do not know. I don't
[01:42:47.520] know how tall they were, but they look
[01:42:49.280] cool as Yeah, there was
[01:42:52.080] like a jack. Yeah, that's the one I
[01:42:59.719] want. That's one, but that's not the one
[01:43:02.080] we were looking at. We're looking at one
[01:43:04.320] that theorized that it was completely
[01:43:06.159] covered in hair.
[01:43:08.320] Interesting. Yeah. So, this is a very
[01:43:11.440] recent discovery. So, how many This is
[01:43:14.719] the thing. I think something like 90% of
[01:43:18.480] the the species that that ex have
[01:43:20.639] existed we don't have fossils for but
[01:43:23.199] that well I mean 99% of species ever
[01:43:25.360] existed are gone right but fossils are
[01:43:28.320] very difficult to happen because it has
[01:43:30.239] to happen in a mudslide somehow the body
[01:43:32.239] has to be pres preserved and it's
[01:43:33.760] mineralized right I don't know how many
[01:43:36.199] dinosaur complete fossils we have of
[01:43:38.320] like a T-Rex I don't even think we have
[01:43:39.679] a complete one yet but one or two
[01:43:42.880] billion T-Rexes lived and died on the
[01:43:45.040] planet We have a couple of skeletons.
[01:43:47.040] Right. Billions. Right. Right. Yeah. And
[01:43:49.840] it just makes you wonder when they're
[01:43:51.199] finding things like this in 2024,
[01:43:54.239] how many are yet to be discovered? I
[01:43:56.080] mean, how much of the ground's surface
[01:43:58.800] has really been excavated to a very high
[01:44:01.199] level, right? Yeah. Very little. And and
[01:44:05.040] it's and it's very difficult to even dig
[01:44:07.760] there. I mean what's happening in Turkey
[01:44:09.520] is a shame with Gobeclet,
[01:44:11.760] you know, just paving over it and
[01:44:13.920] planting orchards on top of it. They
[01:44:15.600] took they've taken down the orchards.
[01:44:17.360] They've taken down the Yeah. the olive
[01:44:19.119] trees. The problem with that was that
[01:44:21.600] and this is Jimmy Corsetti had talked
[01:44:23.199] about this long ago that the the issue
[01:44:25.600] with them doing this is the roots are
[01:44:27.199] going to destroy the artifacts below.
[01:44:29.520] And they're like, "No, no, no, no, it
[01:44:31.040] won't." And then turns out actually it
[01:44:32.800] is. So they had to pull them. And so
[01:44:34.719] they they pulled the olive trees, but
[01:44:37.280] they planted them purposely over the the
[01:44:40.800] area, which is like I'm glad Corsetti's
[01:44:43.199] out there. I like him and I know him
[01:44:44.480] pretty well. And he's great. The Turkish
[01:44:46.400] government, I think, has banned him and
[01:44:48.639] is trying to get him in trouble here.
[01:44:50.239] Trying to get him sanctioned.
[01:44:51.840] Sanctioned? How do you sanction a guy
[01:44:53.440] off YouTube?
[01:44:55.280] For what? Look, look, when you were when
[01:44:58.400] when CNN was going after you and they
[01:45:00.480] were like trying to get Spotify to
[01:45:02.480] cancel you, creators like me who go
[01:45:05.280] against kind of mainstream were very
[01:45:07.040] nervous because like if YouTube just
[01:45:09.840] pulled my show, I'm kind of
[01:45:12.239] right? Um so it's like if they could
[01:45:14.159] take down Joe, we're done. Yeah. But
[01:45:16.719] they, you know, Spotify with a lot of
[01:45:18.560] respect hung fast. Yeah. We've talked
[01:45:20.480] about that. Like if I wasn't on Spotify
[01:45:21.920] and I was only on YouTube at the time, I
[01:45:23.520] might have been Do you believe?
[01:45:25.040] They were taking people down for actual
[01:45:28.000] real truthful information. Yes. That
[01:45:30.800] that was in their eyes malin information
[01:45:33.119] that would cause vaccine hesitancy.
[01:45:35.760] Still no apologies. No. But it, you
[01:45:38.560] know, it was a risky time, you know, to
[01:45:40.760] be nonpolitically correct, you know,
[01:45:43.920] before it was safe to. Yeah. It was a a
[01:45:46.560] very dangerous time and weird because
[01:45:48.400] it's like instantly dangerous. Like it
[01:45:50.239] wasn't like that before. Then all a
[01:45:51.600] sudden like anything you could say could
[01:45:53.040] get your career ruined. Yep. You know,
[01:45:55.280] and you're and again, everybody turned
[01:45:57.119] out to be right. Everybody was right
[01:45:59.040] that masks don't work. Everybody was
[01:46:00.800] right that the vaccine didn't stop the
[01:46:02.960] infection, didn't
[01:46:04.920] stop. It wasn't a vaccine. It has a
[01:46:07.600] bunch of side effects. The the panggalan
[01:46:10.080] is nonsense. I mean, we knew that all of
[01:46:12.000] this. It was just intuitive.
[01:46:14.320] Um, the lab leak theory was racist. It
[01:46:17.440] was
[01:46:18.199] racist. Oh my goodness. The R word to
[01:46:20.800] get They tried anything. They tried
[01:46:22.880] anything they could to silence any
[01:46:24.480] opposition. Why you were gonna say
[01:46:25.920] something? Do you mind? You were gonna
[01:46:27.280] say you had a quicker question. I think
[01:46:29.520] I forget. We steamed over it, but we
[01:46:31.360] were talking about like the weirdness of
[01:46:33.440] that time of how how dangerous it was.
[01:46:35.600] Like, you know, it was real touchandgo.
[01:46:37.760] It was real weird. There was like a lot
[01:46:39.040] of forces that were trying to get me
[01:46:40.880] removed because I was talking to people
[01:46:42.960] that they were deeming quacks. One of
[01:46:44.639] them, which is Robert Malone, who has
[01:46:46.719] nine patents on the creation of mRNA
[01:46:49.920] vaccine technology. These are rock solid
[01:46:52.719] credentials these people had. They
[01:46:54.719] weren't cooks like Jay Badacharia. All
[01:46:56.719] these people are Stanford, MIT, Harvard,
[01:47:00.320] all these the all the people from the
[01:47:02.080] great Bington Declaration. These are the
[01:47:04.239] legitimate researchers and scientists
[01:47:06.000] that didn't agree with the narrative and
[01:47:08.239] they were getting them removed from
[01:47:09.760] Twitter and they had awards
[01:47:12.639] through their careers, highly revered
[01:47:14.560] and respected and then suddenly no it
[01:47:16.960] didn't matter because these people
[01:47:19.040] unfortunately had a conscience and they
[01:47:21.600] were saying well this is not what I know
[01:47:23.920] I am an actual expert and I do not think
[01:47:26.239] that the information they're giving out
[01:47:27.679] is correct so I'm going to speak my mind
[01:47:29.600] and just they were just and then there's
[01:47:32.239] also a concerted effort by Fouchy like
[01:47:34.960] and his group to go after these people
[01:47:38.080] and to attack these people publicly.
[01:47:40.159] Yes. And um when it was very early on, I
[01:47:43.520] forget even what paper, I had I released
[01:47:45.199] an op-ed in some paper criticizing a lot
[01:47:48.239] of this and lockdowns, you know, um like
[01:47:50.880] my dojo was closed down and was trying
[01:47:53.760] to fight with masks on. So, I was angry
[01:47:56.639] and then within weeks of that, it
[01:47:58.480] suddenly became politicized and I was
[01:48:00.000] like, "Now I'm Now it's a
[01:48:01.840] political issue. How is it this a
[01:48:03.520] political issue? Right? But it was it
[01:48:05.679] was politicized. And I don't know why. I
[01:48:07.760] don't know why. I don't know why it was
[01:48:09.119] all shut down. I think it's all just
[01:48:11.360] money. I think the vaccine companies
[01:48:13.280] wanted to make as much money as
[01:48:14.800] possible. And then anything that
[01:48:17.040] contributed to vaccine hesitancy was not
[01:48:18.960] for the greater good of public health.
[01:48:20.880] It was because the more vaccine
[01:48:22.480] hesitancy, the less profit they would
[01:48:24.239] have. I think it's real simple. H Yeah,
[01:48:26.880] I agree. But that's really gross. It is
[01:48:29.040] gross. But it's also gross that they
[01:48:30.639] would prescribe it for children because
[01:48:32.239] it was totally unnecessary. So the only
[01:48:34.239] reason why they would prescribe it for
[01:48:35.600] children or mandate it for children to
[01:48:37.679] get into schools is because they wanted
[01:48:39.040] to make as much money as possible. And
[01:48:40.480] they made an insane amount of money. So
[01:48:42.800] it did work. It was effective. But boy
[01:48:45.280] did it destroy a lot of credibility. It
[01:48:47.280] certainly did. And it definitely worked.
[01:48:49.360] um where my wife was working they it was
[01:48:52.320] a mandatory vaccine situation but it she
[01:48:55.600] was working remotely so didn't really
[01:48:57.040] have to get it but I can see her that
[01:48:59.440] the narrative was starting to catch with
[01:49:01.280] her and I'm like honey hold fast this is
[01:49:04.000] this is a story you know it was a
[01:49:06.159] leftwing company and they're just
[01:49:08.080] following the narrative they don't just
[01:49:10.159] hold fast don't get that shot and she
[01:49:13.840] didn't yeah luckily I know people that
[01:49:16.560] did and I know people that have real
[01:49:18.000] problems right now. Same. Yeah.
[01:49:20.880] Like they got long CO suddenly. Yeah.
[01:49:23.760] And it's weird that long CO is something
[01:49:25.520] that mostly affects people that have
[01:49:27.679] gotten vaccinated, but they want to call
[01:49:29.360] it long CO. They don't want to call it
[01:49:31.119] vaccine injury. Nope. It's just the
[01:49:33.280] whole thing is like very creepy because
[01:49:35.600] it just shows you if something is like
[01:49:38.080] very clear and obvious and it's a real
[01:49:40.480] disease and we know the origin of it now
[01:49:43.119] and we know that all this stuff has been
[01:49:45.040] done to obscure it. How many other
[01:49:47.760] elements of society, how many other
[01:49:49.760] stories that are in the news have also
[01:49:52.000] been distorted and twisted around in
[01:49:54.239] order to promote a very specific
[01:49:55.679] narrative and how effective have they
[01:49:57.600] been at doing this? It's not like this
[01:49:59.440] is the only time they've ever done this.
[01:50:01.600] So CO was kind of a window into
[01:50:03.560] disinformation and about how the
[01:50:05.679] government can use these ps of
[01:50:08.600] manipulation and you know using these
[01:50:12.320] tactics of humiliation, humiliating
[01:50:15.360] these established scientists, ruining
[01:50:17.679] their careers, attacking their
[01:50:19.760] credentials and what what other things
[01:50:22.719] have they used these on? What other you
[01:50:25.119] know geopolitical aspirations have they
[01:50:28.480] masked in all this Like it's
[01:50:31.040] the whole thing is just like it's very
[01:50:32.719] disconcerting to find out that the
[01:50:34.480] people that have been running the
[01:50:36.400] country are super comfortable with
[01:50:38.560] lying. Here's the good news is the irony
[01:50:42.320] of CO is the forces that were forcing us
[01:50:45.840] to be locked down and stay home gave
[01:50:47.920] rise to independent creators and
[01:50:50.639] journalists and independent thinkers and
[01:50:53.119] folks like
[01:50:54.360] you. And because of their forcing the
[01:50:57.199] lockdowns, they destroyed their own
[01:50:58.719] industry. Yeah. And there's no going
[01:51:01.360] back. I mean, I haven't watched MSNBC or
[01:51:04.960] Fox News in years. And you turn it on,
[01:51:06.800] it's like, gh, this is just I hear the
[01:51:08.480] same stuff from the left and the right.
[01:51:10.239] I just hear the same stuff. I get my
[01:51:11.920] news from YouTube, from all different
[01:51:13.440] sources, and that's what I want. And
[01:51:15.920] they destroyed their own industry. Yeah.
[01:51:18.000] And it's interesting to see like what
[01:51:20.320] what is it going to look like, you know,
[01:51:22.000] 5 10 years from now because 5 10 years
[01:51:24.560] ago, you never 10 years ago, you never
[01:51:26.239] would have imagined that CNN would lose
[01:51:27.760] all its credibility. No, that was we
[01:51:29.520] watched, you know, Desert Storm on
[01:51:31.280] there, everything. Always when you
[01:51:33.119] wanted to get the news and it was always
[01:51:35.440] also CNN was thought of being as this
[01:51:37.679] like sort of nonpartisan environment for
[01:51:40.239] the news. It just showed you what the
[01:51:41.679] news was and then somewhere along the
[01:51:43.760] line it became very editorialized, very
[01:51:45.920] opinion-based and very, you know, these
[01:51:49.280] people telling you to do your own
[01:51:50.639] research, do not do your own research.
[01:51:52.880] Like imagine saying don't read, right?
[01:51:55.599] Don't read. You're not smart enough. AJ,
[01:51:58.719] right? You think you can go read, right,
[01:52:01.440] and absorb information? You're not smart
[01:52:03.520] enough to absorb information. Leave that
[01:52:05.440] to the experts. Don't listen to Rogan.
[01:52:07.599] He takes horse pills. Got that from his
[01:52:10.480] doctor. You It's also calling it horse
[01:52:13.280] dewormer was so stupid because everybody
[01:52:15.080] knows used on humans. Oh, Ivormectton's
[01:52:17.760] in my cabinet. But it's just a simple
[01:52:20.000] Google search would tell you that
[01:52:21.440] something's wrong. That's required
[01:52:22.960] medication for foreign service. Yeah.
[01:52:24.880] So, it's one of those things where you
[01:52:27.199] wonder after something like that has
[01:52:28.480] been happening, well, this seems like a
[01:52:29.520] playbook they're really comfortable with
[01:52:30.960] using, how many other things have they
[01:52:32.719] used this on? Like, what are what other
[01:52:34.400] aspects of society are just complete
[01:52:36.800] horseshit? When did it really start,
[01:52:40.400] right? You know, I you know, probably
[01:52:42.960] during the 40s, maybe even before
[01:52:45.440] because if you read Wars a Racket by
[01:52:47.280] Smemedley Butler, that was 33. General
[01:52:50.239] Butler. Yeah. The the business plot
[01:52:52.320] general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He He was a
[01:52:54.880] very very honest guy. Yeah. Yeah. If you
[01:52:57.040] guys don't know, the business plots
[01:52:58.239] worth looking into. That was They tried
[01:52:59.840] to recruit him to overthrow the
[01:53:01.199] government. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz he had all
[01:53:03.760] the troops at his disposal. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:53:05.679] That was wild. They were going to have a
[01:53:07.199] coup. They were going to have a United
[01:53:09.040] States. Yeah. And nobody has answered
[01:53:12.320] for that. That's that's the JP Morgans
[01:53:14.320] and that whole set. So this kind of
[01:53:16.800] thinking has been going on forever, you
[01:53:19.440] know. And then there's also kind of
[01:53:21.520] gatekeeping of information like hiding
[01:53:23.760] the truth from people in order to
[01:53:25.760] preserve narratives in order to preserve
[01:53:27.520] power and authority. Well, let's connect
[01:53:30.400] let's go back to to Butler for a quick
[01:53:32.159] second. You've got Tesla who gets funded
[01:53:34.800] by JP Morgan to create wireless
[01:53:36.560] technology, but Tesla gets a little
[01:53:38.159] ambitious and says, "I'm going to do
[01:53:40.159] wireless communication, but I'm I'm
[01:53:41.679] going to take your $150,000. I'm going
[01:53:43.599] to do wireless energy and we'll do free
[01:53:45.760] energy around the world." And Morgan's
[01:53:47.760] like, "How do you put a meter on that?"
[01:53:49.679] Tesla's like, "What do you mean this
[01:53:51.360] propel mankind forward?" Morgan pulls
[01:53:53.760] his funding, tells everyone in the
[01:53:55.599] investment class, "This guy's a a cook,
[01:53:57.440] and if you invest with him, you don't do
[01:53:58.800] business with me." A few years later,
[01:54:00.719] Warden Cliff Tower gets torn down. Tesla
[01:54:02.960] dies in poverty. Yeah. And where are
[01:54:06.000] those 20 boxes? Yeah. And why why was
[01:54:09.280] the government so quick to respond to
[01:54:10.800] that crime scene? Yeah. They showed up
[01:54:12.239] at that guy's house quick. They gathered
[01:54:14.560] up all that information. I wonder what
[01:54:15.920] they got from that. Uncle Uncle Uncle
[01:54:18.080] John Trump there was in charge of that,
[01:54:20.400] right? What did they get in those boxes?
[01:54:22.639] Donald Trump's uncle reviewed Tesla's
[01:54:24.719] death ray secrets and found mysterious
[01:54:27.440] royal letters. I think they Well, he
[01:54:29.199] looks like a Trump, doesn't he? He kind
[01:54:30.639] of does. That's what Trump would look
[01:54:31.920] like if he didn't do the comover. Wasn't
[01:54:33.440] he working out of Wright Patterson as
[01:54:34.800] well? Was he for
[01:54:39.080] this? Wright Patterson is a weird place.
[01:54:43.199] Like they think that that's where one of
[01:54:45.119] them is. Yes. Yeah. You know the the
[01:54:48.320] Nixon story with Jackie Gleason? Uh I
[01:54:51.199] know that Gleon was into UFOs. Tell the
[01:54:52.960] story. The story is Gleon got into UFOs
[01:54:55.599] because him and Nixon were drinking one
[01:54:57.280] day and Nixon was like, "You want to see
[01:54:58.719] some I wish I was drinking with
[01:55:00.320] that. Can you imagine?" And then he
[01:55:02.400] takes them. He flies them out to
[01:55:04.159] wherever the base is and shows him a
[01:55:06.639] crashed UFO and these bodies that they
[01:55:09.679] have in freezers. And it was right
[01:55:11.280] Patterson. I do not know. I do not know.
[01:55:14.000] I don't know if Jackie Gleason ever said
[01:55:15.520] the story came from Gleon's wife and it
[01:55:18.320] was an article in some sort of a
[01:55:19.920] magazine. But then there's the house
[01:55:21.280] that Gleason built in upstate New York
[01:55:23.760] that looked like a UFO. Like Gleon built
[01:55:26.800] a home. Yeah. That was like like a disc.
[01:55:30.639] I'm going to look into this. It's such a
[01:55:32.320] good story. I wonder where they went.
[01:55:33.840] Reportedly would have been in Homestead
[01:55:35.679] Air Force Base. It might be in Florida
[01:55:38.080] in 73. I think that's where they were
[01:55:40.560] when they when they were playing golf
[01:55:42.360] and bombed was reportedly shown embalmed
[01:55:45.760] bodies of four alien beings. Don so
[01:55:49.679] Nixon exposes the UFOs to a civilian and
[01:55:52.080] then it does not go well for Richard
[01:55:53.679] Nixon after that. Well, I think what
[01:55:55.920] went badly for Richard Nixon was that
[01:55:58.080] Richard Nixon was inquiring as to who
[01:56:00.080] killed JFK and he said he thought he
[01:56:01.760] knew and he was kind of talking about it
[01:56:03.679] publicly and they're like, "Okay." Yep.
[01:56:06.159] And they had already, you know, brought
[01:56:07.840] in Gerald Ford, kicked out Spiro Agnu.
[01:56:10.320] They got rid of him. Gerald Ford, who
[01:56:11.840] was also in the Warren Commission
[01:56:13.119] report. That's right. They And then all
[01:56:15.280] of a sudden Nixon and Watergate happens.
[01:56:18.159] Nixon the most popular president of all
[01:56:19.760] time. Of all time. And it turns out that
[01:56:21.599] Bob Woodward was actually an
[01:56:23.119] intelligence agent. And this is his
[01:56:24.880] first project ever. Operation
[01:56:26.800] Mockingbird. And then the people that
[01:56:28.080] were involved in the breakin, all FBI,
[01:56:30.800] they Gordon Litty. Yeah. The whole thing
[01:56:32.800] is a coup. Whole was a coup. always.
[01:56:35.280] Yeah. And we're all paring, you know,
[01:56:37.840] oh, Nixon was a crook, that guy was a
[01:56:39.920] crook, he was this or that. Like, they
[01:56:41.760] did a great job. The scop was wonderful.
[01:56:44.159] I'm a psych. They say it over and over.
[01:56:47.639] Yeah. It's all really, really
[01:56:50.719] interesting stuff. But it's
[01:56:53.080] just, you know, what what come what it
[01:56:56.480] boils down to with stuff like your show,
[01:56:58.239] like how much of it is how much is real,
[01:57:01.440] you know, and when you have these
[01:57:03.199] mysteries. One of the amazing things
[01:57:05.639] about mysteries is you're never going to
[01:57:08.400] run out of topics. No, there's so many
[01:57:10.719] of these things. And as long as there's
[01:57:12.080] a US government, I'm I'm good. As long
[01:57:14.480] as the CIA exists, they're always going
[01:57:16.400] to be hiding something. But it's the the
[01:57:18.239] fun ones are always the alien ones.
[01:57:20.480] That's the most fun ones. The alien
[01:57:22.159] ones, the ancient civilization ones.
[01:57:24.320] Like what do you think when when you go
[01:57:26.960] over the Bob Lazar story? Like what what
[01:57:30.000] do you how much of you think how much of
[01:57:32.159] you cries How much of you is
[01:57:34.400] like
[01:57:35.239] hm more on the wh side? I think he's the
[01:57:38.480] most credible whistleblower because he
[01:57:40.400] he didn't profit from didn't profit and
[01:57:42.480] they I mean they prosecuted him for run
[01:57:45.119] for running a prostitution ring, you
[01:57:47.360] know, which maybe he was which I think
[01:57:49.199] he was. I he pled down to pandering, but
[01:57:51.920] he they also raided him during the
[01:57:54.320] Jeremy Corbel documentary. While they're
[01:57:56.320] filming the documentary, the FBI raided
[01:57:58.560] his facility. Mhm. And they said they
[01:58:00.880] were looking for something. And
[01:58:03.440] supposedly he has a version or a a
[01:58:06.960] sample of stable element 115. What?
[01:58:11.280] That's supposedly Yeah. And that's
[01:58:13.599] supposedly what they were looking for.
[01:58:15.119] Of course, supposedly he had gotten that
[01:58:16.639] from the lab and when when he was at S4
[01:58:20.080] and that he had managed to smuggle out a
[01:58:23.239] stable chunk of this element 115. And
[01:58:26.080] there was a video that George Knap had
[01:58:28.800] from back in the 80s where Lazar was
[01:58:30.800] demonstrating how this stuff bends light
[01:58:32.800] and you know what it does like it has
[01:58:35.040] weird effects. How soon after that raid
[01:58:38.560] was 115 is now called Moscow. How soon
[01:58:41.199] after that raid was 115 synthesized? I
[01:58:43.760] think it was synthesized in Russia. It
[01:58:46.000] be well synthesized by a particle
[01:58:48.080] collider and so the the when they got it
[01:58:51.280] is a very
[01:58:53.000] temporary quickly dissolving form but
[01:58:56.239] they proved its existence. And
[01:58:59.520] supposedly what Lazar is saying wherever
[01:59:01.920] these beings are from they obviously
[01:59:04.080] have a completely different environment
[01:59:05.440] and they have a stable version of this
[01:59:08.159] this element. Yep. And this element is
[01:59:11.119] crucial to this gravity propulsion
[01:59:12.960] system that it's a part of this reactor.
[01:59:15.440] It gets bombarded with radiation,
[01:59:17.440] produces this gravity field, allows you
[01:59:19.760] to just slingshot through the the
[01:59:21.679] universe.
[01:59:23.520] I I don't know. Are they working to
[01:59:25.440] stabilize it? You know, I don't know
[01:59:27.599] what's going on behind the scenes, man.
[01:59:28.880] I don't Why would they raid Bob Lazar?
[01:59:30.960] That So that's that spectrum of
[01:59:32.800] believability again. Exactly. Here's a
[01:59:35.040] guy who's being attacked and tormented
[01:59:37.119] in the middle of filming a documentary.
[01:59:38.960] I mean, I just had my fi first IRS
[01:59:41.040] audit. I don't know how you're doing.
[01:59:42.320] Oh, what' you do? I didn't do anything.
[01:59:44.960] I don't work in weed anymore. What do
[01:59:46.960] you think they were auditing for you
[01:59:49.119] for? What? What? What? When you go over
[01:59:51.760] all your episodes, I'm sure it's just a
[01:59:54.000] coincidence. What do you think?
[01:59:56.239] Definitely coincidence. What do you
[01:59:57.679] think are the most problematic? Uh, most
[02:00:00.719] problematic for me are probably this the
[02:00:03.159] um the CIA ones. I the one I did that
[02:00:06.480] ended with the Agent Orange kind of
[02:00:08.320] expose was a kind of a dangerous one. I
[02:00:10.320] it was the dark history of DARPA and all
[02:00:12.960] the bad stuff that DARPA's done since uh
[02:00:15.280] since its founding. It's done some
[02:00:17.040] horrible horrible horrible stuff. And
[02:00:19.679] that was an episode I was afraid to
[02:00:21.280] release. There's been a couple of those.
[02:00:23.040] You know, MK Ultra is kind of afraid to
[02:00:25.040] because I names. A scary one was um how
[02:00:28.880] Lyme disease might have been a lab leak.
[02:00:31.040] Yeah, that's a weird one. That's Bobby
[02:00:33.280] Kennedy fully believes that. It was Eric
[02:00:35.199] Trout was like the chief Nazi bow
[02:00:37.760] warfare specialist that was brought here
[02:00:40.639] operation paperclip and that we do know
[02:00:44.080] that there have been some studies done
[02:00:47.119] where they were trying to devise
[02:00:49.360] diseases that they could aerial spray
[02:00:52.480] whether it's through bugs or something
[02:00:54.719] onto a population overwhelm their
[02:00:56.880] medical system so they'd be easier to
[02:00:58.960] defeat.
[02:01:00.560] Yeah. The entire enemy super weak.
[02:01:02.880] Everybody's weak over there. And then
[02:01:05.599] also documented
[02:01:07.320] is some ticks got out.
[02:01:11.520] Some ticks got out. So it's, you know,
[02:01:13.440] when you look at Lime Connecticut as
[02:01:15.280] ground zero and it just spreads from
[02:01:16.960] there and there was no Lyme disease
[02:01:18.400] before. That's a scary one to release.
[02:01:20.880] Yeah. Um but whenever I get into
[02:01:23.040] Operation Paperclip, I always hammer
[02:01:25.199] home these are Nazis. We, you know,
[02:01:28.239] Verer von Brown is not a hero. He's a
[02:01:30.719] hero, but he's not a hero. You know, a
[02:01:32.639] lot of these guy, these is all evil
[02:01:34.320] dudes. And most of the Operation
[02:01:36.080] Paperclip was just bringing over
[02:01:37.520] intelligence assets. They don't like
[02:01:39.280] talking about that. It's the 1,200
[02:01:41.360] scientists that we learn about. It's not
[02:01:42.960] the 6,000 intelligence agents that just
[02:01:45.360] lived here until the 70s and 80s, right?
[02:01:48.480] All with their dueling scars on
[02:01:51.119] their faces.
[02:01:53.599] Scary looking dudes like right out of
[02:01:55.119] Indiana Jones, right? SS on the
[02:01:57.040] shoulder. And that's what was a part of
[02:01:59.440] NASA that was running NASA. Like Warner
[02:02:01.760] von Braonn was an actual Nazi and he was
[02:02:04.320] the head of NASA. He and SS Nazi. So the
[02:02:07.920] V1 rocket program killed 3,000 people in
[02:02:10.960] London but killed 30,000 Jewish slaves
[02:02:14.560] building the rocket. You know, way 10
[02:02:16.880] times more people died building the
[02:02:18.400] thing. And if you didn't work hard
[02:02:20.719] enough in the rocket factory, they would
[02:02:22.320] just hang you from the rafters. But Von
[02:02:24.480] Brown said he didn't know anything about
[02:02:25.599] it. and all of his team said, "We we
[02:02:27.440] didn't know anything about it." Okay,
[02:02:29.840] well, that's convenient. Well, every
[02:02:31.360] time I bring up someone who's from
[02:02:33.920] there, I just remind everybody, these
[02:02:36.000] are Nazis. These are liars. These are
[02:02:37.679] bad dudes. That doesn't mean, you know,
[02:02:40.000] they're not they didn't do amazing
[02:02:41.679] things for America because you could do
[02:02:43.360] both. Yeah, that's what's weird. You
[02:02:45.199] know, the V1 rocket eventually becomes
[02:02:47.040] Saturn 5, which takes us to the moon.
[02:02:49.040] Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. That's
[02:02:51.320] allegedly. That's my favorite one. Same.
[02:02:54.159] Did you ever see the episode I did with
[02:02:55.280] Bart Sabrell? Um, yes. And I talked to
[02:02:57.760] Bart from time to time. He's Boy, he's
[02:03:00.080] all in. All in for decades. Eventually,
[02:03:03.199] I'm going to do a conversation podcast
[02:03:05.840] and uh he'll be one of the first guys I
[02:03:08.000] have on. I had dinner with Bart Sabrell
[02:03:10.880] in like the year
[02:03:13.400] 2000 2003 or something like that. I had
[02:03:16.719] dinner with him in Los Angeles. I uh I
[02:03:19.520] had seen a funny thing happen on the way
[02:03:21.520] to the moon. Which what year was that?
[02:03:23.520] Great documentary. What year was The
[02:03:25.679] Funny Thing Happen on the Way to the
[02:03:26.719] Moon released? So, it was like shortly
[02:03:30.040] thereafter somehow. I do I do not even
[02:03:32.560] remember how I got connected with him,
[02:03:34.400] but we had dinner in Los Angeles at this
[02:03:36.239] Italian restaurant. I sat down with him.
[02:03:38.080] 2001. 2001. Yeah. So, it was probably
[02:03:40.320] around 2003 that that Bart and I had
[02:03:43.520] dinner and then, you know, 22 years
[02:03:46.080] later, I had him on the podcast. I I
[02:03:48.639] need to look still going after it. Oh,
[02:03:50.560] yeah. Yeah. He still emails me and I'm
[02:03:51.840] like, Bart, I'll have you on. I'm just
[02:03:53.199] I'm still building the studio. Well,
[02:03:54.800] he's so all in on this. And the more you
[02:03:58.000] talk to him, the more you go, god damn
[02:03:59.760] it, he might be right. He might be. I
[02:04:01.599] debunk a lot of his claims. Not all of
[02:04:03.760] them, you know, like the parallel
[02:04:05.199] shadows and and how there shouldn't a
[02:04:08.560] shadow on the moon should be completely
[02:04:10.080] black, but that's not really true. And
[02:04:12.080] shadows, well, things are reflective and
[02:04:14.639] the surface is reflective. That's part
[02:04:16.320] of the issue. But the parallel shadows
[02:04:18.639] are weird. Like you could find a
[02:04:22.119] reason why these intersecting shadows
[02:04:25.360] could exist, but it also could be more
[02:04:28.320] than one source of light. Sure. It's
[02:04:30.400] there's more there's a lot of weirdness
[02:04:32.560] to it. And shadows are not parallel.
[02:04:34.639] They don't work that way. Shadows
[02:04:36.639] disappear to the to the to the horizon,
[02:04:39.280] right? You know, there are no parallel
[02:04:40.719] shadows, right? But going in completely
[02:04:42.960] different directions is very odd. It uh
[02:04:45.040] it's odd. It's very odd. that that's not
[02:04:47.599] nearly as odd as I mean there's so many
[02:04:50.719] different things you know there's
[02:04:52.480] there's so many things like how goofy it
[02:04:55.679] looks when that craft lifts off from the
[02:04:58.239] moon and takes off at space it's
[02:05:00.320] wobbling around like it's on a
[02:05:02.159] string looks like it's on a string and
[02:05:03.760] you know the camera tracks it nicely
[02:05:06.480] pans from where from from Houston with
[02:05:11.760] what 7se second delay or whatever how
[02:05:14.800] about the fact that Nixon is on the
[02:05:17.119] phone with them in real time. In real
[02:05:19.840] time like you don't got a delay there
[02:05:23.040] would be with 1969 technology
[02:05:25.840] communicating like one of the reasons
[02:05:28.080] why Gus Gisham you know the the big
[02:05:30.560] theories that Gush Gisham was murdered
[02:05:32.239] because he wasn't willing to go along
[02:05:33.520] with it. Gus Gisham hung a lemon on the
[02:05:36.960] lunar module because he wasn't wasn't
[02:05:38.719] able to communicate with the tower from
[02:05:41.599] Earth. it the communication system
[02:05:43.920] wasn't working and he's like this is a
[02:05:45.679] lemon and he puts a lemon on a
[02:05:47.360] coat hanger and hangs it on the thing
[02:05:49.920] and then well let's go back and look at
[02:05:51.679] the original films and we maybe we'll
[02:05:53.280] learn something oh they they don't have
[02:05:55.199] them anymore gone they're gone what
[02:05:57.360] about the telemetry data that's really
[02:05:58.960] important gone uh the episode I did on
[02:06:01.920] the on the moon which is a fun one I
[02:06:03.599] even have a NASA scientist saying we
[02:06:06.159] don't know how to redo the technology we
[02:06:07.920] just lost it didn't write anything down
[02:06:11.119] or
[02:06:12.080] And then there's the reality of the Van
[02:06:14.480] Allen radiation belts. That's true. That
[02:06:17.520] it could be explained scientifically.
[02:06:19.440] Can it?
[02:06:21.440] The the radiation is high particles,
[02:06:24.000] high voltage, all that. But they're
[02:06:25.280] spread wide apart, so you just got to go
[02:06:27.119] really fast through them, right? But it
[02:06:28.880] took hours to get through it. It did. It
[02:06:31.040] did. But they still were moving fast. Or
[02:06:33.599] it would kill everybody. Or it would
[02:06:34.960] kill everybody. That this is one of the
[02:06:37.040] Nobody but the Apollo astronauts ever
[02:06:38.880] got through that. What I would say is
[02:06:40.079] like they never even flew a chicken
[02:06:41.520] through that and had it come back
[02:06:42.960] alive. No. And they're just going to try
[02:06:44.480] it out with people. Leica the dog did
[02:06:46.400] not survive when they threw Leica up
[02:06:48.560] there. Well, how about Operation
[02:06:49.840] Starfish Prime where they they shot a
[02:06:52.239] nuke into there to try to blow a hole
[02:06:54.719] through it and it wound up making it
[02:06:56.639] more radioactive. Of course, they
[02:06:59.520] thought they were going to blow a hole
[02:07:00.800] right in the Van Allen radiation belt so
[02:07:02.560] they could just pop through that hole.
[02:07:04.079] Right. And and now thanks to that, we've
[02:07:05.840] got the South Atlantic anomaly where
[02:07:07.520] there's just no protection anymore. We
[02:07:09.360] appreciate all that. They blew out the
[02:07:11.760] power in Hawaii, right? Yeah. They
[02:07:13.920] up the grid. They were detonating
[02:07:16.079] nukes in space.
[02:07:18.480] Really crazy. People in the 1950s and60s
[02:07:21.199] were a buck wild. They were. They were
[02:07:23.280] just They had so much power. There was
[02:07:25.040] no internet. There was no oversight. And
[02:07:27.040] they were doing things that like were
[02:07:28.719] completely new, like nuclear bombs. And
[02:07:31.119] they're like, "Let's see if it does
[02:07:32.239] this." Even Oppenheimer, they didn't
[02:07:34.079] know it was going to happen. They had a
[02:07:37.920] more than 0% possibility that it was
[02:07:41.040] going to cause a chain reaction that
[02:07:42.639] would destroy the entire environment of
[02:07:44.239] the Earth. Yes. And they were like,
[02:07:46.560] let's see. Well, we got to try it.
[02:07:48.800] There's only one way to know. Mhm.
[02:07:51.119] Detonate it. And then and something like
[02:07:52.960] Bikini Atol, which I think was Castle
[02:07:55.719] Bravo, was like three times more
[02:07:58.159] powerful than they thought. You know,
[02:08:00.239] it's like we're going for 10 kilotons,
[02:08:02.079] but we got 30. Dude, you got to carry
[02:08:04.480] the one. Be care be careful. Just be
[02:08:07.920] careful. Carry the one. I don't even
[02:08:09.679] know why we mess with it. Yeah, it's
[02:08:11.679] Well, it's too late. The genies out of
[02:08:13.920] the bottle. So, if you had a bet, if you
[02:08:17.280] had $100,000 and you can give bet we
[02:08:20.320] went to the moon, we didn't go to the
[02:08:22.159] moon.
[02:08:25.440] That money is not enough. But, uh, gun
[02:08:27.760] to the head. Gun to the head. Gun to the
[02:08:29.599] head. We went to the moon without
[02:08:32.280] people. I would that's what I would go
[02:08:34.800] with. But let me preface by saying my
[02:08:37.599] head I'm like a bobblehead. I go back
[02:08:39.679] and forth and I can be be convinced one
[02:08:41.840] way or the other. It's a it's a very
[02:08:44.079] complicated issue. Like I can be
[02:08:46.079] convinced both ways. There's also the
[02:08:47.760] weird footage that looks like they're on
[02:08:49.280] wires where they're pulled up when they
[02:08:51.119] fall down. You could see the
[02:08:52.480] reflections. Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. I get
[02:08:55.040] into it's it's a good episode. I get
[02:08:57.440] into all that. I cover cover Bart Buzz
[02:09:00.079] Aldrin knows how to throw a shot kind of
[02:09:03.199] get his hip into it. Old shoulders. But
[02:09:05.599] it's also the thing is like every other
[02:09:08.159] technology from 1969 is cheaper, easier,
[02:09:11.119] and faster to reproduce today except the
[02:09:13.760] moon landing, right? That no one has
[02:09:16.560] ever done it again. No one has ever even
[02:09:18.719] been to not human beings have ever even
[02:09:21.599] been in deep space. I you and there's no
[02:09:25.040] I don't know why. You know, if we could
[02:09:27.119] 3D print anything, why don't we send a
[02:09:30.400] 3D printer up into orbit and then every
[02:09:32.480] time Elon launches a Starlink, just
[02:09:34.800] bring some substrate, bring some wire,
[02:09:37.040] and just deliver it there every time.
[02:09:39.040] Because you're going to do 10,000 of
[02:09:40.239] them. Just bring some wire, bring some
[02:09:41.599] wire, bring some aluminum, and we can
[02:09:43.599] just build the stuff in orbit. We don't
[02:09:45.440] have to worry about escaping gravity.
[02:09:47.599] Just build stuff up, 3D print stuff in
[02:09:49.440] orbit.
[02:09:51.599] It sounds a little more complicated than
[02:09:53.040] you're making it out to be, but I see
[02:09:54.480] what you're saying. Well, you know, the
[02:09:57.440] film footage, the loss footage that
[02:09:59.199] Sabre had is also very compelling where
[02:10:02.000] it looks like they're filming the moon
[02:10:04.480] from, you know, 30,000 miles out, but
[02:10:07.599] then when they pull the covers off the
[02:10:09.520] windows, it shows you they're actually
[02:10:10.880] in near Earth orbit. It fills up the
[02:10:13.040] whole window. And they even say in that
[02:10:15.320] film, we've got the camera right up
[02:10:17.679] against the window. We no one can get in
[02:10:19.679] between it. But then someone walks in
[02:10:22.239] and then you see what looks like a like
[02:10:23.840] a piece of plastic gohu and then
[02:10:26.639] everything opens up. Uhhuh. That's a
[02:10:29.360] hard one to explain. It is. And not for
[02:10:32.239] public display. Not for That's
[02:10:34.560] absolutely right. It's And also the the
[02:10:37.520] Why would you ever delete all of the
[02:10:40.560] original
[02:10:41.719] film? What why would you destroy the
[02:10:44.320] original film? Why would they lose the
[02:10:46.480] telemetry data? And we don't even have a
[02:10:48.800] direct feed because they broadcast the
[02:10:51.760] feed on a wall and then pointed a TV
[02:10:54.480] camera at the wall. Yeah. And that's
[02:10:56.560] what we see. Yeah. That's why it looks
[02:10:58.239] so shitty on television in 1969 cuz the
[02:11:00.719] networks were like, "Hey, can we get the
[02:11:01.920] live feed?" And NASA as like, "Ah, you
[02:11:03.280] don't need that." It's so weird. It's
[02:11:05.040] weird. It's a weird one. It's also just
[02:11:07.119] weird that we keep saying we're going to
[02:11:08.639] go back and we still never even get out
[02:11:11.040] of Earth's gravity or never even get out
[02:11:12.800] of Earth's atmosphere or Earth's orbit
[02:11:15.440] rather. As soon as the Chinese start
[02:11:17.119] mining like helium 2 or whatever, we'll
[02:11:20.000] get we'll get there. And people always
[02:11:21.679] say, "Oh, well, there's photographs of
[02:11:23.599] the the the lunar lander on the moon.
[02:11:26.239] You can see it." Like, how'd they get
[02:11:28.960] that buggy up there? How'd they piece
[02:11:31.199] that buggy together in that little tiny
[02:11:32.960] ass lunar module? Because you
[02:11:35.040] can see the tracks up there if you know
[02:11:37.280] if you believe the stuff, right? What
[02:11:39.040] does that mean? How easy is to There's
[02:11:40.560] There's video of me selling Kentucky
[02:11:42.480] Fried Chicken. Oh, I got to look that
[02:11:43.920] up. There's like You know what I'm
[02:11:44.800] saying? I got to write that down. It
[02:11:46.000] might not even be Kentucky Fried
[02:11:47.040] Chicken, but it's like there's AI video
[02:11:49.119] of me hawking all kinds of stuff that
[02:11:51.199] I've never even seen. I know. You show
[02:11:53.119] up in my feed. I'm like, "Oh, he's
[02:11:54.480] selling chicken." It's all fake. But
[02:11:56.880] that is easy to fake because it's blurry
[02:11:59.679] blurry nonsense photos. In my episode on
[02:12:02.159] the face on Mars, I show exactly how
[02:12:05.280] NASA copy and pasted cloud formations. I
[02:12:09.040] You literally see it's the same cloud
[02:12:10.719] formations. And then you see the Mars
[02:12:12.239] photos. They copy and pasted chunks on
[02:12:14.239] Mars. They did that. Like I didn't make
[02:12:16.320] that up. I just What do you mean by
[02:12:17.520] that? They copy and pasted chunks on
[02:12:19.199] Mars. You've got this Martian rock face.
[02:12:22.639] Sidonia. Sidonia is where the face was
[02:12:25.360] and the alleged city and all kind square
[02:12:28.719] and the square is crazy and square. But
[02:12:30.719] that's a recent one that we've been
[02:12:32.000] seeing. Y that one's nuts. Sidonia was
[02:12:35.199] one of the original landing places and
[02:12:37.440] they changed it at the last minute. Why?
[02:12:41.560] I land there and go to the face. Let's
[02:12:44.239] see. Because if if you don't know the
[02:12:46.400] story about the face on Mars, the first
[02:12:48.000] image is it does look like a face and
[02:12:49.679] then suddenly the images got blurrier
[02:12:51.840] and then it was just kind of a plateau.
[02:12:54.079] It was, you know, paridolia. It wasn't
[02:12:55.840] really a face, right? Well, then land
[02:12:57.679] there. Drive, you know, Sonora over
[02:13:00.800] there, whatever. Let's have a look.
[02:13:02.159] What's crazy is that the face is sort of
[02:13:04.480] right down the street from the square.
[02:13:06.480] Yes. The square to me is way more
[02:13:08.400] compelling than the face. Because if the
[02:13:10.159] second images were more clear and it
[02:13:12.079] really is just how do you say that word
[02:13:13.679] again? Paridolia. Paridolia. If that's
[02:13:15.599] really what it is, that kind of makes
[02:13:16.960] sense. Because the first one's like real
[02:13:18.880] blurry and shitty and it was from the
[02:13:20.400] 70s. True, right? But this square is
[02:13:23.199] nuts, right? It looks it looks
[02:13:25.199] geometrical, you know, right angles and
[02:13:28.159] an actual square or at least similar to
[02:13:30.880] a square. It looks like a structure made
[02:13:33.599] out of right angles and it's on the
[02:13:35.520] moon. I showed it to Elon Musk.
[02:13:37.119] He's like, "Oh, very interesting. We
[02:13:38.800] should probably go up there, look
[02:13:39.760] around. We should. I mean, they're
[02:13:41.760] finally admitting that Mars used to have
[02:13:43.360] an an atmosphere and and oceans, giant
[02:13:46.400] oceans. They found frozen water on Mars.
[02:13:49.360] Yeah. Which is like, okay. Yep. Well, if
[02:13:52.159] we go back millions and millions of
[02:13:53.920] years, like what what did it look like?
[02:13:55.760] What was going on there? Remember they
[02:13:57.840] sent Joe McMonagle to remote view back
[02:14:00.239] on Mars? Oh, what did he say? He said he
[02:14:02.639] saw giant tall beings there in a very
[02:14:05.840] advanced society. And um Joe McMonicle
[02:14:08.639] is part of the project Stargate remote
[02:14:10.639] viewer. So that he goes into his thing
[02:14:12.800] and he's he's drawing the aliens and the
[02:14:14.800] the cities and all that, but he didn't
[02:14:16.560] know where he was looking. They you know
[02:14:18.159] they wouldn't tell you at first and then
[02:14:19.840] he's done. He comes out of his
[02:14:20.960] transport, whatever, opens the envelope
[02:14:22.320] and it says Mars with coordinates 1
[02:14:25.280] million BC or something. He said he saw
[02:14:27.840] stuff and Stargate again with Ingo Swan
[02:14:31.760] saw all kinds of stuff on the far side
[02:14:33.440] of the moon which I don't see I don't
[02:14:35.360] hear covered a lot with Ingo but he
[02:14:38.719] remote viewed the moon because he always
[02:14:40.880] wanted to do more stuff. He's like I
[02:14:42.480] don't want to look at a bridge. I want
[02:14:43.520] to go to the moon and he said he saw
[02:14:46.000] structures on the far side of the moon
[02:14:47.599] that sound a lot like Carl Wolf um
[02:14:49.840] disclosed in 2001. Carl what what did he
[02:14:52.400] disclose? Carl Wolf um Air Force airman.
[02:14:55.679] He's basically a technician. Fix it.
[02:14:58.320] Think of a a Xerox repairman. He he has
[02:15:01.599] to fix some imaging equipment for
[02:15:04.040] NASA/DOD. It's images from the from the
[02:15:06.960] moon surveyor. So he goes in. It's a
[02:15:08.960] dark room. The guy's working there. The
[02:15:10.719] guy's like, "Carl, look at this. It's
[02:15:12.639] pictures of the dark side of the moon.
[02:15:14.079] He sees domes, towers, roads, all kinds
[02:15:16.800] of stuff." And he can't believe it. And
[02:15:19.199] Carl goes home and he told his wife, "I
[02:15:21.520] can't wait to see this on the news. This
[02:15:22.960] is crazy what we found on the like this
[02:15:24.400] is a civilization on the moon and it
[02:15:26.800] just it just goes away. Um and Carl Wolf
[02:15:30.239] said he saw that if you remote viewing
[02:15:33.040] no photographs. He saw photographs. He
[02:15:35.920] saw photographs of it. He saw
[02:15:38.000] photographs. Who took the photographs?
[02:15:39.679] It was the moon surveyor satellite that
[02:15:43.440] takes pictures all the time. It's it's
[02:15:45.280] like we we have images. We have stuff
[02:15:48.639] around the moon. I don't know why
[02:15:49.840] there's no webcam, you know? I don't
[02:15:52.400] know why we can't just tap into the
[02:15:54.239] satellite up there or something. They're
[02:15:55.679] they're there. Just send a signal back.
[02:15:58.000] I I read that they just got like 5G
[02:16:00.800] working in space. Send us send us a
[02:16:03.280] signal. Put a webcam on the ISS. Let us
[02:16:05.760] tune in. Um so Carwolf saw that stuff.
[02:16:09.679] Ingo Swan saw the same things, but he
[02:16:12.480] saw actual beings there and he said they
[02:16:16.079] were able to sense his consciousness and
[02:16:18.079] he like snapped out of it. He said,
[02:16:19.199] "Aliens are on the far side of the moon
[02:16:20.880] and they are not our friends." It's a
[02:16:23.840] very interesting story. In English Swan,
[02:16:25.280] very interesting cat. So, what took
[02:16:28.560] these photographs? Uh, the moon
[02:16:31.319] surveyor, lunar surveyor, what
[02:16:34.399] satellite? None of that stuff's ever
[02:16:36.160] been released. Oh, they released a lot
[02:16:38.160] of images from the far side, but they
[02:16:39.840] release what they release. That's why we
[02:16:42.000] know there's fewer impacts on the far
[02:16:43.519] side because we've seen those images.
[02:16:45.439] But there's no images of these domes or
[02:16:47.439] whatever. No. No. I've seen some that
[02:16:49.439] maybe are faked that look pretty
[02:16:51.920] compelling. Um I forget what episode I I
[02:16:54.639] had to show them in, but when I found
[02:16:56.319] them, I I was it was mind-blowing. And I
[02:16:59.120] can't find them again for some reason.
[02:17:00.719] Like I can't I wanted them for another
[02:17:02.479] episode and I I can't find the photos,
[02:17:04.399] which is always suspicious to me. It's
[02:17:06.160] like the It's like suddenly the thing is
[02:17:08.479] blurry off of off of Malibu. You just
[02:17:12.000] can't find the stuff. But um so I you
[02:17:15.599] know my gut tells me something's going
[02:17:17.200] on up there. Someone's aware of it and I
[02:17:20.479] just I'm dying to know what it is. It
[02:17:22.880] would be unbelievable if Mars was the
[02:17:26.639] first planet that had life before Earth
[02:17:29.519] was capable of supporting life. It
[02:17:31.679] reached a very high level of
[02:17:33.120] sophistication then started seeding
[02:17:34.800] Earth. Right. Penspermia theory. Yeah. I
[02:17:38.000] believe we have uh at least one rock
[02:17:40.160] from Mars that just landed here. I think
[02:17:42.719] we have one of those. So from maybe a
[02:17:44.800] giant impact or something through some
[02:17:46.800] of Mars over here. D. But the idea I
[02:17:49.840] think is that their atmosphere was
[02:17:52.000] deteriorating or that they were getting
[02:17:54.319] further and further from the sun. The
[02:17:56.519] the their magnetic field was weakening,
[02:17:59.519] strips away the atmosphere. And so this
[02:18:02.080] would be the thing if you were a super
[02:18:04.160] advanced civilization. The race would be
[02:18:06.319] get so advanced that you could leave
[02:18:08.240] your planet. Yes. And that's the only
[02:18:10.639] way you're going to survive because
[02:18:12.240] eventually your planet is going to move
[02:18:14.639] over millions of years further and
[02:18:16.240] further away from the sun, not able to
[02:18:18.479] inhabit life anymore, right? So maybe
[02:18:21.359] send your DNA or whatever to the third
[02:18:24.800] rock or Anunnaki or Anunnaki. That's the
[02:18:29.760] good one. Yeah, they show up everywhere.
[02:18:31.519] That's the ultimate one. That is the big
[02:18:33.120] one. That Anunnaki is the big one. Yeah,
[02:18:35.519] that's that's a good one. That's that's
[02:18:37.920] one that makes you go home because it
[02:18:40.080] shows up everywhere. It shows up in the
[02:18:41.679] Bible. It shows up in the Mahabarata.
[02:18:43.760] Shows up in ancient Chinese literature.
[02:18:46.160] Shows up everywhere. Not always called
[02:18:48.080] the Anunnaki, but uh the Anunnaki. And
[02:18:51.280] then they have their ser their surviile
[02:18:53.519] species that could be the Nephilim,
[02:18:55.840] could be the giants. And then they take
[02:18:58.639] take these primitive humans, give them
[02:19:00.880] just enough intelligence to mine, you
[02:19:03.439] know, to mine the gold. It's part of the
[02:19:05.359] lore. Yeah. It's a good one. Oh, it's
[02:19:08.240] the best one. It's the best one because
[02:19:11.679] when you do look at ancients and you you
[02:19:15.359] look at their detailed map of the solar
[02:19:17.359] system, you're like, "What the is
[02:19:18.800] that?" Like, "How did they figure that
[02:19:21.040] out?" Right? Like, you're talking about
[02:19:22.719] 6,000 years ago, they had depictions of
[02:19:24.880] the planets all in the proper area.
[02:19:27.760] Like, they weren't the exact right size,
[02:19:30.639] but like the bigger ones were in the
[02:19:32.319] place where the bigger ones would be,
[02:19:33.439] the smaller ones in the place where the
[02:19:34.639] smaller ones would be. was
[02:19:35.439] representative and the sun looks like a
[02:19:37.840] sun like it's got the rays around it
[02:19:39.840] right showing that this is the center of
[02:19:41.679] the solar system right and this is two
[02:19:45.280] what how many thousands years before
[02:19:46.639] capernicus right didn't even know um
[02:19:49.760] something I don't think doesn't get
[02:19:51.439] enough attention is when these ancient
[02:19:53.359] cultures are obsessed with equinoxes
[02:19:56.160] a lot of people think equinox is when
[02:19:57.760] day and night are the same but that's
[02:19:59.439] that's not what that is when day and
[02:20:01.200] night are the same is called equal and
[02:20:02.720] it's different for everybody on earth
[02:20:04.160] depending where you are an equinox is
[02:20:06.240] when the sun is over the center of the
[02:20:08.640] earth's equator. Well, how did you know
[02:20:11.040] there was an
[02:20:13.880] equator? So, Stonehenge is aligned to
[02:20:16.880] the equinoxes. How did you know there
[02:20:18.240] was an
[02:20:19.080] equator? And how, you know, how is the
[02:20:22.560] the pyramid the sizes are directly
[02:20:25.680] divisible to a number like 43200 that
[02:20:28.720] could be factored in to calculate the
[02:20:31.120] circumference of the earth? So you can
[02:20:33.600] calculate the equinox. How did they do
[02:20:35.840] that? Right? And how is it pointed to
[02:20:38.000] true north, south, east, and west? How
[02:20:39.840] did they do that? Why does it mirror the
[02:20:41.920] stars of the Orion belt? But mirrors
[02:20:44.240] them 30,000 years ago because of
[02:20:46.160] procession, right?
[02:20:48.640] So I'm in the camp that the Egyptians
[02:20:50.960] found the pyramids, not built them. But
[02:20:54.080] I'm glad Zahi is not here.
[02:20:57.840] Well, that would, you know, get you to
[02:20:59.920] the ancient civilization theory. But
[02:21:01.680] when you're looking at an ancient
[02:21:03.080] civilization that is as complex as Egypt
[02:21:06.000] and then you factor in the Anunnaki
[02:21:07.840] story and all these other things, you
[02:21:09.040] got to think like why were the Egyptians
[02:21:11.760] so advanced? Like where did they learn
[02:21:13.920] this from? Christopher Dunn has the
[02:21:16.399] answer with the power plant. Power
[02:21:19.359] plant. Yeah. Is that what you think?
[02:21:21.920] You know, it's one of my favorite
[02:21:23.359] episodes because I You know, you can
[02:21:25.439] either watch My Stupid Thing with the
[02:21:27.200] fish or the better thing is to just buy
[02:21:29.120] Chris's books and and read the science.
[02:21:31.359] Oh, don't be a sheep.
[02:21:34.000] Don't be Don't be a sheep. Um, the next
[02:21:36.880] one's going to have taxes. For people
[02:21:38.399] who don't know, uh, if you haven't
[02:21:39.760] watched the show, Hecklefish talks
[02:21:41.680] from the aquarium during the entire
[02:21:43.359] show. It's really a funny little It
[02:21:46.319] makes the show fun because it's like
[02:21:48.160] shows you're not totally taking it
[02:21:49.600] seriously. You have a talking fish who
[02:21:51.439] talks to you the entire time. What
[02:21:54.479] I'm trying to do is take weird topics,
[02:21:56.880] complex topics, break them down, make
[02:21:58.720] them accessible to everybody, have a
[02:22:00.479] good time, get you thinking on your own.
[02:22:02.960] If I get things wrong, that's okay. As
[02:22:04.479] long as you go out and just get
[02:22:05.920] interested in stuff. That's what I'm
[02:22:07.520] trying to do. Have fun and get you
[02:22:08.880] interested. Have you been looking at all
[02:22:10.960] under the structures underneath the
[02:22:12.880] pyramid? Yes. I'm I I'm skeptical of
[02:22:15.520] that research cuz if you look at the
[02:22:18.520] imaging it I don't see the coils or any
[02:22:21.439] of that stuff. I don't see it. Um they
[02:22:23.520] also said they found the tomb of
[02:22:24.960] Nefertiti. No, this tomb of Osiris, but
[02:22:28.240] it just looked like splotches on on on
[02:22:30.960] radar. And they also they haven't
[02:22:32.800] released any of that information to the
[02:22:34.240] scientific community. Nothing's
[02:22:35.399] peer-reviewed. But when it first hit the
[02:22:37.680] news, I was like that supports the power
[02:22:39.920] plant theory, the coils and all that.
[02:22:41.760] Mhm. But I have a feeling that their
[02:22:44.080] research will be debunked. Hope I'm
[02:22:45.439] wrong. Really?
[02:22:48.160] Well, they they re released more of it
[02:22:50.479] and the because they released more of it
[02:22:52.640] and the conversations that Graham
[02:22:53.920] Hancock and Brian Mur Rescue had with
[02:22:56.240] them. Well, they were initially
[02:22:57.280] skeptical as well. They've come around
[02:22:59.280] more to thinking that these guys might
[02:23:01.200] be on to something because they've done
[02:23:03.280] this multiple times now with multiple
[02:23:05.040] scans. They keep getting the same
[02:23:06.399] results. And it does kind of look like
[02:23:08.240] coils when you look at the images. First
[02:23:10.000] of all, the pillars, the fact these
[02:23:11.840] pillars are uniform and they see and
[02:23:13.920] then the fact that the structure goes
[02:23:15.359] down two kilometers into the earth. Y
[02:23:18.359] like maybe people 4,500 years ago were
[02:23:23.200] so motivated as Zoe said that it's like
[02:23:26.319] this is the project of the entire
[02:23:28.240] country, the pride of the country. Okay,
[02:23:30.640] maybe maybe. But two kilometers down
[02:23:33.520] like we're starting to get real crazy. I
[02:23:35.439] mean, if you look at the so like the
[02:23:37.359] temp Kufu pyramid is like perfect and
[02:23:40.479] then you you look at the pyramids that
[02:23:42.000] were built later that we know were
[02:23:43.439] Egyptian built and it's like the timu
[02:23:45.840] version. It's like you didn't you're not
[02:23:47.520] even it's like a mess. It's just a pile
[02:23:49.920] of rocks. Yeah. Where where the Great
[02:23:52.800] Pyramid is precise and there's no
[02:23:56.399] reasons for these different chambers and
[02:23:58.479] the chemical residue. Why? And why are
[02:24:00.720] there copper rods going down into the
[02:24:03.200] aquifer, which is exactly the technology
[02:24:05.200] Tesla was using at Warren Cliff Tower,
[02:24:06.880] the same exact technology. Why? You
[02:24:09.200] know, there's hydrochloric acid. We have
[02:24:11.200] evidence of that. And we've got the uh
[02:24:13.439] zinc sulfide and it creates hydrogen
[02:24:15.600] atoms that go up the gallery and then
[02:24:17.920] there's an opening that's exactly the
[02:24:19.520] right wavelength for hydrogen to flow
[02:24:21.120] through and it resonates at 440 hertz
[02:24:23.359] and it makes an F# chord. And you've got
[02:24:25.840] the it's tuned inside the king's chamber
[02:24:28.399] to exactly that chord or you know maybe
[02:24:31.520] it's just a place for a dead
[02:24:33.800] guy. You know the why use rose quartz
[02:24:37.280] which is so highly you know the rose
[02:24:39.520] granite is so dense with quartz. It's
[02:24:41.439] very rare but it creates a lot of pio
[02:24:43.760] electricity when you apply pressure to
[02:24:45.359] it and hydrogen could do that if you if
[02:24:47.600] you pumped it through the the king's
[02:24:49.120] chamber. It's so fascinating to me that
[02:24:51.200] the gatekeepers are so they're they're
[02:24:54.080] so reluctant to even consider any
[02:24:57.359] possibility that it might have been
[02:24:58.960] something other than what they've
[02:25:00.240] initially asserted. It's frustrating,
[02:25:02.080] but it it it ruins their career and
[02:25:04.800] their reputation. It's like everything
[02:25:06.319] you said was wrong over time. I I have a
[02:25:08.880] buddy who just went to Egypt and he
[02:25:10.960] hired these two archaeologists to take
[02:25:12.720] him on a tour and both of them were
[02:25:14.399] saying there is no way the original the
[02:25:16.960] the actual mainstream story is accurate.
[02:25:19.840] They're like there's no way like this
[02:25:21.359] stuff is beyond. And then as he was like
[02:25:24.000] going through it with him he said he was
[02:25:25.439] just blown away. He said I
[02:25:27.280] haven't been but he said you could look
[02:25:28.960] at it all day on television and on your
[02:25:31.280] laptop when you go there you're just
[02:25:33.439] like what the I'd love to see it.
[02:25:36.319] Yeah. We should go together. Let's do
[02:25:37.680] it. Let's go. Let's go. Zahi wants me to
[02:25:40.800] go with him, but I just don't think I
[02:25:42.080] could. I think after an hour, I'd be
[02:25:44.319] like, "Dude, I got to get away from
[02:25:45.439] you." Yeah. You're freaking me out.
[02:25:46.800] He'll ruin everything. I discovered
[02:25:49.160] this. This is my discovery. Yeah. Just
[02:25:53.200] He didn't even mention the limestone
[02:25:55.600] from tour. Didn't even touch on it.
[02:25:58.000] What's the significance of that? Uh,
[02:26:00.080] it's a great insulator of electricity.
[02:26:02.080] It's also mined from very far away. We
[02:26:04.479] know it was definitely there. Herodotus
[02:26:06.160] talked about the limestone pyramids that
[02:26:07.920] could be seen from the mountains of
[02:26:09.280] Arabia. So Herodotus, they were still
[02:26:12.479] there. We know that the limestone facing
[02:26:15.520] was there because a lot of it was looted
[02:26:17.760] after a couple of earthquakes. They
[02:26:19.120] built bridges out of it. You can go
[02:26:20.640] touch it. It's there. Um but he didn't
[02:26:22.800] talk about it. But if the pyramid power
[02:26:24.560] plant theory is true, then you use the
[02:26:26.399] limestone as an insulator. Inside you've
[02:26:29.120] got the granite which creates this piso
[02:26:31.040] electricity and then you've got this
[02:26:32.800] other limestone in between that kind of
[02:26:35.520] keeps everything modulated. So if it was
[02:26:39.359] a power plant like what was it powering
[02:26:41.840] and how was it doing that? That's the
[02:26:44.080] big problem I have is, you know, so if
[02:26:47.280] Tesla wanted to project this energy into
[02:26:49.359] the ionosphere and then we can everyone
[02:26:51.760] could tap into it with some type of
[02:26:53.200] receiver like a radio, but there's no
[02:26:55.760] evidence I can find of them powering
[02:26:58.160] anything. So, we can make the the
[02:27:00.160] argument that maybe if the capstone were
[02:27:02.080] gold, this energy could resonate through
[02:27:04.479] the center of the pyramid, come up
[02:27:05.760] through the golden capstone, and then go
[02:27:07.359] straight into the ionosphere. And we
[02:27:09.439] know that the pyramid will resonate at
[02:27:11.359] certain frequencies and amplify it.
[02:27:12.880] that's been tested at about 200 meters
[02:27:15.439] is the ideal wavelength. But the only
[02:27:18.399] other theory is the obelisks at some
[02:27:20.399] point were these receivers. But there's
[02:27:22.640] no evidence that they powered anything.
[02:27:24.720] But maybe they used the energy for
[02:27:26.479] something different. I don't know. And
[02:27:28.960] if we're looking at the wrong timeline,
[02:27:31.120] if we're not really looking at 2,500 BC,
[02:27:33.439] if we're looking at 30,000 BC or
[02:27:35.439] something even before that, which is
[02:27:37.520] also a weird thing that Zahi dismissed.
[02:27:40.240] He dismissed this idea of the king's
[02:27:42.319] list that goes back 30,000 years, right?
[02:27:45.680] Yeah. And he says that just
[02:27:48.720] right. Yeah. We know exactly. Also, he
[02:27:52.000] said he didn't believe in carbon dating,
[02:27:53.359] which is like Yeah. That's convenient.
[02:27:56.240] That's convenient. Yeah. did not believe
[02:27:57.920] in carbon dating and and what about rock
[02:28:00.720] dating that you know that is that is a
[02:28:03.359] thing with certain types of rock
[02:28:05.120] limestone not so much but something like
[02:28:06.800] ignous rock you can you can you can get
[02:28:08.560] a pretty good idea yeah the whole thing
[02:28:10.960] is very weird it's so weird because it's
[02:28:13.920] so vast and so spectacular that no
[02:28:17.120] matter what you think no matter what
[02:28:19.760] theories you have you still have to look
[02:28:21.280] and go how the like it's so bit
[02:28:24.560] it's so nutty that you can't even
[02:28:26.160] imagine people making it right. Not
[02:28:28.720] people as like we consider people today.
[02:28:31.200] Like if a a civilization today, if we
[02:28:34.560] let's say for some reason no one had
[02:28:37.600] ever visited a part of the earth and
[02:28:40.399] then they went to a part of the earth
[02:28:41.680] and they saw people with these
[02:28:43.120] structures today, we'd be like, "What
[02:28:46.000] happened? How did you do this?" We would
[02:28:48.080] think they were wizards. Wizards above
[02:28:50.560] and beyond 2,300,000 stones. Mhm.
[02:28:54.000] hundreds of miles through the mountains.
[02:28:55.760] You carried the big ones for the inside
[02:28:57.200] the king's chamber. You you you put them
[02:29:00.040] upund 300 feet up in the air with a
[02:29:02.720] ramp. Yeah. I don't think I don't think
[02:29:05.120] so. But it's all just if they
[02:29:08.680] did how where' that technology go?
[02:29:11.120] Where' that construction knowledge go?
[02:29:12.720] Like where did their engineering go?
[02:29:14.399] Like how were people that advanced that
[02:29:16.479] long ago?
[02:29:18.240] You know, I I like the acoustic
[02:29:20.000] levitation theory is an interesting one
[02:29:22.319] where they use sound vibration to lift
[02:29:24.399] heavy objects. You know, we see that
[02:29:26.560] occurring throughout history as as part
[02:29:28.640] of lore. But even in the 1930s,
[02:29:32.240] um a British, maybe he was an
[02:29:34.080] archaeologist, naturalist went to see
[02:29:37.040] Buddhist monks and using instruments, he
[02:29:40.000] watched them levitate heavy objects and
[02:29:42.479] there's film of it. This is this is all
[02:29:44.240] the legend. And when he when he went
[02:29:46.399] back to the UK, they seized the film.
[02:29:48.640] But they were using instruments and
[02:29:50.240] chanting to levitate these rocks up a
[02:29:52.560] cliff face to build whatever they were
[02:29:54.240] building. Well, how about that wacky
[02:29:55.680] dude in Florida that made the coral
[02:29:57.280] castle? Oh, yeah. That's Edward Lee
[02:29:59.640] Scandlin. I found It's hard to find, but
[02:30:02.240] I found him using levers and pulleys and
[02:30:05.040] stuff to do it. It's still amazing what
[02:30:06.640] he did. Yeah. By himself. By himself.
[02:30:09.920] Like he's like 5 foot one, 90 lbs. And I
[02:30:13.200] think that door is tons and you can push
[02:30:15.520] it with your finger. That door in the
[02:30:16.960] coral castle is amazing. And supposedly
[02:30:19.680] did it for his girlfriend. I didn't I
[02:30:22.000] didn't read that. For his beloved. Yeah.
[02:30:24.080] He did it to impress a lady. You went
[02:30:26.560] too far, man. You don't have to do that.
[02:30:28.240] Just you just buy a nice car.
[02:30:30.800] Don't Don't do the the She doesn't care.
[02:30:33.280] Anybody can buy a nice rock this chick's
[02:30:36.160] world. Literally going to rock her.
[02:30:38.240] She's going to see my coral castle. This
[02:30:40.319] motherfucker's the one. She bailed. She
[02:30:43.920] You You bail if a dude builds you a
[02:30:46.080] castle. You're like, "Uh, look at the
[02:30:48.000] time."
[02:30:49.520] Gotta go. Yeah. Um, when you do these
[02:30:54.720] shows and you know, you've amassed like
[02:30:57.600] this channel now with all these like
[02:30:59.520] fascinating things. Which ones to you
[02:31:01.520] are the most exciting to create? The
[02:31:04.160] most exciting like one of the ones you
[02:31:06.080] get really jazzed about? the the ones
[02:31:07.760] that that that kind of shatter my belief
[02:31:10.399] system like the hollow moon or the the
[02:31:14.160] crop circles. The the the idea of the
[02:31:16.240] moon being hollow is because they shot
[02:31:19.040] something into the moon and it rang like
[02:31:21.520] a bell. Right. Right. Well, a few
[02:31:24.479] things, you know. One was they
[02:31:26.000] deliberately crashed their their rocket
[02:31:28.399] into the moon to and there was
[02:31:30.520] seismology, you know, seismographs were
[02:31:32.800] placed in the moon to to check what
[02:31:34.640] would happen. and it did reverberate,
[02:31:37.760] but mainstream science says it
[02:31:39.280] reverberates because it's extremely dry
[02:31:41.680] and that's why sound sound waves travel
[02:31:43.680] like that. That's what they say. But
[02:31:46.720] other scientists have said there it
[02:31:48.800] seems to be if it's not hollow, there
[02:31:50.640] are hollow cavities within the moon. And
[02:31:52.800] why do they think that? just just the
[02:31:55.280] way that the sound travels and just how
[02:31:58.240] there are parts of the moon where the
[02:32:00.000] surface dirt
[02:32:02.280] is let me get this right where the
[02:32:04.399] surface dirt is older than the dirt
[02:32:07.040] underneath. The soil on top is older and
[02:32:10.319] the only way you can do that is through
[02:32:11.840] excavation
[02:32:14.160] moonquakes. Yeah. You know the and the
[02:32:17.280] moon had volcanoes on it at some point.
[02:32:19.439] Passive seismic experiment size monitors
[02:32:22.640] were placed during the Apollo 12 mission
[02:32:24.880] remained active until 1977 recording
[02:32:27.680] both natural and humanmade moonquake
[02:32:30.720] humanmade moonquake also. Why are they
[02:32:33.359] doing that? Why are you trying to make
[02:32:34.960] moonquakes? In fact, moonquakes happen
[02:32:37.040] fairly regularly. A space debris like
[02:32:38.720] asteroids hit the moon more frequently
[02:32:40.800] than Earth because the moon's atmosphere
[02:32:42.399] is much less dense. Right above it, it
[02:32:44.160] described that the Apollo 12 mission was
[02:32:46.399] the first humanmade moonquake. They they
[02:32:48.640] detonated or they crashed the the module
[02:32:51.120] back on the surface. One ton of TNT.
[02:32:53.520] Good idea. Oh wow. First humanmade
[02:32:57.280] moonquake to take place. The PSC size
[02:32:59.760] monitors oh seizometers size se size se
[02:33:02.880] size se size se size se size se size se
[02:33:02.880] size se size se size se size
[02:33:02.880] seismometers uh record the resulting
[02:33:05.520] vibrations which were much bigger and
[02:33:07.439] lasted much longer than the scientists
[02:33:09.280] had anticipated. They were far different
[02:33:11.359] from the earthquake vibrations we're
[02:33:12.960] familiar with. And that next paragraph
[02:33:14.640] said it's because the moon is 60% as
[02:33:16.720] dense, which doesn't mean it's hollow,
[02:33:18.800] but it's just different. Right. Right.
[02:33:20.640] So, if the collision theory is true,
[02:33:22.960] which is the mainstream theory, then the
[02:33:25.040] moon was made mostly out of Earth's
[02:33:26.800] mantle, which will be less dense is why
[02:33:29.680] it just kind of clipped us.
[02:33:32.160] Yeah. But the moon is weird. Yeah. So,
[02:33:36.479] the hollow moon one freaks you out. Crop
[02:33:39.040] circles. Crop circles. Those are the fun
[02:33:41.760] ones.
[02:33:43.200] I do the conspira the conspira the
[02:33:45.120] government conspiracy ones are
[02:33:46.399] interesting to me but a lot of times
[02:33:49.120] they make me angry so it's it's not
[02:33:51.439] really fun but I think it's important
[02:33:53.120] the CIA stuff Ultra MK Ultra and Agent
[02:33:56.720] Orange that stuff really makes me angry.
[02:33:59.040] Yeah. Uh you know the the DARPA episode
[02:34:01.760] I I end up kind of losing my temper and
[02:34:04.000] crying a little at the end which I
[02:34:05.600] didn't mean to do it and it was just in
[02:34:07.760] the course of the research just that's
[02:34:09.760] what happens things start to unfold. I
[02:34:11.920] just wanted to see DARPA's history. And
[02:34:14.080] as I'm learning about it, it's like, oh,
[02:34:15.359] these guys did some bad bad stuff. And
[02:34:17.920] then when you get to
[02:34:19.240] Vietnam and you know, you got they got
[02:34:21.840] the chemical companies, Dowo Chemical,
[02:34:23.439] and Dupont and all this creating ancient
[02:34:25.760] blue, agent purple, ancient orange.
[02:34:28.160] Yeah. And uh and I mean, more American
[02:34:31.760] soldiers got sick than actually got
[02:34:33.600] killed in the conflict. You know, my I
[02:34:35.200] dedicated the episode to my
[02:34:36.160] father-in-law who had all kinds of
[02:34:38.080] injuries from Agent Orange. The
[02:34:40.160] government denied any responsibility for
[02:34:42.000] years. They finally agreed to a
[02:34:43.640] settlement in 1981. He applied for his
[02:34:46.479] benefits and the government made do.
[02:34:48.720] They they kept their word. He got his
[02:34:50.479] settlement 40 years later. Jesus. And
[02:34:53.520] even that's never going to be enough to
[02:34:54.880] deal with all those health problems.
[02:34:56.399] Right. So your country needs you and you
[02:34:58.560] answer the call and then when you need
[02:35:00.080] your country, take a number. And your
[02:35:02.399] country needs you based on a false flag.
[02:35:05.120] Gulf of Tonkan. Yeah. Which is also very
[02:35:07.840] dark.
[02:35:09.200] that they fake attacks to get us to go
[02:35:12.319] to war. And then there's Operation
[02:35:14.319] Northwoods, which is a really wonky one.
[02:35:17.040] That was the one to get us into Cuba.
[02:35:18.880] And and that was probably
[02:35:21.280] the beginning of the end for Kennedy
[02:35:22.800] because I because I believe Kennedy put
[02:35:24.160] a put a stop on North Woods and Bay of
[02:35:26.479] Pigs wouldn't allow air support, right?
[02:35:28.800] He got screwed on that. And the Bay of
[02:35:30.640] Pigs, that was the end. That was where
[02:35:32.800] Kennedy says, "We need to start again.
[02:35:35.520] We got to dismantle this and start
[02:35:36.960] again."
[02:35:37.760] I can't rely on my intelligence
[02:35:38.960] community. And um and Eisenhower, he
[02:35:41.600] talked to Eisenhower a lot. And
[02:35:43.280] Eisenhower gave him advice and said,
[02:35:45.840] "Watch out for the CIA. Keep an eye on
[02:35:48.240] them." Because remember when Eisenhower
[02:35:49.840] left, he gave that famous farewell
[02:35:51.280] address where he said, "Beware of the
[02:35:52.479] military-industrial complex. You make
[02:35:54.399] war profitable. You're going to have
[02:35:55.520] more war." Because America was never
[02:35:57.439] like that before. You know, we kept we
[02:35:59.439] had a defensive military, not an
[02:36:01.760] aggressive military forever. Profit is
[02:36:04.560] where the devil does his best work.
[02:36:06.240] That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's
[02:36:08.319] from the Bible, isn't it? It might be,
[02:36:10.240] but that's it's really what it is. If
[02:36:12.000] evil is real, justification for evil,
[02:36:15.040] like if you have a compartmentalized
[02:36:17.760] situation like they do with corporations
[02:36:19.760] where you have this diffusion of
[02:36:21.040] responsibility because you have a bunch
[02:36:22.640] of people that are all working together.
[02:36:24.479] Hey, it's not my I'm just working. This
[02:36:26.240] is part of my job. And then you have a
[02:36:28.000] responsibility to shareholders to make
[02:36:29.840] maximum profits every quarter. And then
[02:36:32.479] you justify all kinds of things and you
[02:36:34.560] get rewarded. Great job. You did a great
[02:36:37.040] job, AJ. We like how you made those
[02:36:38.720] profits. You got a nice fat bonus. And
[02:36:41.040] then, you know, you drink yourself to
[02:36:42.399] sleep every night. My My stepsister just
[02:36:44.880] retired from uh from Grumman. She worked
[02:36:46.880] in top secret program. She won't tell
[02:36:48.479] the family what she did. Dun
[02:36:50.760] dive. Good. Keep your mouth shut, lady.
[02:36:54.080] Keep it shut. Lisa, be quiet. I'd keep
[02:36:57.040] my mouth shut. She never said a word.
[02:36:58.800] Why would you? It's not worth it. No,
[02:37:01.120] it's not worth it. Pension's too good.
[02:37:02.960] Also, like you don't want to die.
[02:37:05.280] You know, it's just like they get rid of
[02:37:08.160] people. If if you're in the business of
[02:37:09.920] killing people, which is what military
[02:37:11.680] contractors are, they are in the
[02:37:14.399] business of killing you if you get in
[02:37:16.160] the business of killing people. They're
[02:37:17.920] like, "Oh, we just have to kill one more
[02:37:19.439] person and then we can kill a whole
[02:37:20.880] bunch of other people and make a lot of
[02:37:22.160] money." Yeah.
[02:37:24.479] Oh, look. He's got he had a heart
[02:37:25.840] attack. Whoops. He's He fell out of a
[02:37:28.160] hotel window. The Frank Olsson murder is
[02:37:30.080] is is taught by in Israeli intelligence
[02:37:32.640] as the perfect murder which will be
[02:37:34.479] Frank Olsson was part of MK Ultra and
[02:37:37.120] was starting to have second doubts about
[02:37:39.359] it. So they sent him to a psychiatrist
[02:37:41.359] who he didn't know was actually worked
[02:37:44.240] for Sydney Gotley and was, you know,
[02:37:46.800] into programming and he was freaking out
[02:37:49.200] and he's up in a hotel room with with
[02:37:51.040] someone else from MK and he falls out
[02:37:53.359] the window. But if you look at the
[02:37:55.120] window where he fell, it's like, you
[02:37:56.960] know, 2 feet by two feet. There's you
[02:38:00.399] can't just jump out the window. So he
[02:38:02.560] was found on the sidewalk by the
[02:38:04.080] doorman. That's Frank Olsen. Worth
[02:38:06.240] looking up. Oh,
[02:38:08.479] was Joe for talking to his family
[02:38:09.840] afterwards. They gave him uh 750 grand.
[02:38:13.040] That's right. And it took and it took a
[02:38:14.720] lot of time claim. Yeah.
[02:38:17.520] Right. It Right. And it was be quiet.
[02:38:20.000] We'll give you the money, but be quiet
[02:38:21.359] about it.
[02:38:26.399] Yeah. So, I mean, it's all it's all real
[02:38:28.720] and it's a
[02:38:30.880] Yeah. Just the stuff that's undeniable
[02:38:33.120] is enough to make you just go, "Whoa.
[02:38:36.560] What is what is happening? What is what
[02:38:38.800] is really going on behind the scenes?
[02:38:40.720] You know, I don't the NBA ultra the
[02:38:42.640] testimonies from the women is really
[02:38:45.280] heartbreaking to watch them, you know,
[02:38:47.280] the sexual abuse that they endured for
[02:38:49.680] years at that, you know, the whatever
[02:38:51.600] that was, that lodge in the on the water
[02:38:53.840] near DC and just just tortured
[02:38:57.560] and crazy stuff. Uh Operation Midnight
[02:39:00.880] Caller, you know that one? Which one's
[02:39:02.399] that? That's uh it happened in San
[02:39:04.080] Francisco where they would had agents
[02:39:06.479] hiring prostitutes and they Oh, midnight
[02:39:08.720] climax. Midnight climax behind behind
[02:39:10.800] the two-way glass. Yeah. Nuts. Nuts.
[02:39:13.280] Bunch of weirdos. Tax dollars at work.
[02:39:15.840] Yeah. And it's because they had no no
[02:39:17.760] one was no oversight. You're ultimate
[02:39:20.240] power. It's all totally deniable.
[02:39:24.319] And it was I think it was I think it was
[02:39:27.040] Nixon who banned it in 72. It might have
[02:39:30.240] even been 69 before he came in. and they
[02:39:32.240] kept doing it anyway. Same with
[02:39:34.000] bioweapons. They were ordered by
[02:39:36.000] executive order to get rid of their
[02:39:37.680] bioweapons and it was found out years
[02:39:39.120] later they were just stockpiling them.
[02:39:40.800] They still had them and you know they
[02:39:43.280] still do. Mhm.
[02:39:45.880] Yeah. Yeah. Do you hesitant? Do you
[02:39:49.359] hesitate sometimes when you're doing
[02:39:50.960] these government coverup ones? Yes.
[02:39:54.520] Yes. Yeah. I you know I don't want to
[02:39:56.640] say I'm because they're dangerous. They
[02:39:58.240] are. Bigfoot's not dangerous. No.
[02:39:59.920] Bigfoot's not going to hurt Bigfoot's a
[02:40:01.600] fun one. Is fun. He's UFOs are fun ones.
[02:40:04.080] Different dimensions, you know. We fun
[02:40:05.920] stuff. Yeah. Um it's it's hard for me
[02:40:08.560] because I consider myself a patriot. Uh
[02:40:10.960] very very like promilitary, pro law
[02:40:13.600] enforcement, but also anti-war and you
[02:40:16.560] know, proc criminal justice reform. Like
[02:40:19.359] I'm a very Me too. politically confused.
[02:40:21.920] Yeah. Me too. You know, I just like
[02:40:23.600] fairness and transparency, that sort of
[02:40:26.479] thing. Yeah. You like to think that our
[02:40:27.840] government's good. I I do like to think
[02:40:29.760] that. And this journey has shown me that
[02:40:32.000] it's mostly not, you know, it's really
[02:40:34.080] mostly not, but it's it's a government
[02:40:36.000] made of men and men are flawed and
[02:40:37.680] selfish and men will hurt each other.
[02:40:39.840] And there's also justifications that be
[02:40:41.600] made can made be made rather for doing
[02:40:43.760] terrible things because there's terrible
[02:40:45.200] people out there and you have to stay
[02:40:46.319] ahead always. Yeah. Don't become a
[02:40:49.280] monster when you're fighting monsters.
[02:40:50.560] That's exactly right. And these this
[02:40:52.080] collateral damage is is just part of the
[02:40:54.000] it's just part of it. Yeah. you know, so
[02:40:56.080] we give them a settlement to stay quiet,
[02:40:58.160] but this is for national security. Yeah.
[02:41:00.479] The greater good. What other ones have
[02:41:02.319] freaked you out? And it's it's hard to
[02:41:05.439] it's hard to say off the top of my head.
[02:41:08.319] Um MK Ultra is a tough one. I you know,
[02:41:11.040] I have I have covered Northwoods and and
[02:41:13.439] and some of those. Uh Operation Gladadio
[02:41:17.040] was a crazy one. That was that was where
[02:41:19.280] the CIA was killing civilians in after
[02:41:21.760] World War II. Um, Allan Dulles. I'm
[02:41:25.120] gonna do an episode on Allen Dulles, the
[02:41:26.640] Dulles brothers, their connection to the
[02:41:28.080] Nazis and all of that. It's gonna that's
[02:41:29.680] going to be a dangerous one. What were
[02:41:31.520] they doing? They were killing people for
[02:41:33.200] what reason? So, we had to fight
[02:41:35.040] communism, communism, communism. So, um,
[02:41:37.920] they trained a secret army, a civilian
[02:41:40.240] army in Italy to bomb civilians and then
[02:41:43.600] blame it on the communists. The
[02:41:45.280] communists at that time were the most
[02:41:47.600] popular party in Italy, you know, post
[02:41:49.920] war because they had just went through
[02:41:52.000] fascism, right, with Mussolini. So you
[02:41:54.359] just it always swings too far the other
[02:41:57.200] way. So we swing way the other way.
[02:41:59.760] Communism, very popular, can't have
[02:42:01.600] that. So civilians were killed in
[02:42:04.560] bombings by the CIA trained guerilla
[02:42:07.439] army. And they were trained by a a Nazi
[02:42:10.960] general who was tight with Allan Dulles.
[02:42:13.280] And it was and this was planned during
[02:42:15.120] the during the war. Um you know while
[02:42:17.840] while American GIs were being killed
[02:42:20.560] fighting the Nazis, they were already
[02:42:22.439] planning this next phase. But um but
[02:42:25.680] civilians died in massacres and they
[02:42:27.840] blamed it on communists and it was
[02:42:29.600] denied and denied and eventually it came
[02:42:31.920] out. It was called Operation Gladadio.
[02:42:33.840] Gladadio is a Gladius is the sword of
[02:42:36.160] the of the Roman soldiers. How did they
[02:42:37.520] kill the people? Bomb. Carbomb. Carbomb
[02:42:40.240] was a big one. I think it was in Milan,
[02:42:41.760] but there was a few and they were just
[02:42:43.840] blaming the communists just to stop
[02:42:45.359] communism because it was it was a huge
[02:42:47.920] Italy was a lot of turmoil. I think it
[02:42:50.240] was called like the the years of lead or
[02:42:52.800] like the decades of lead, something like
[02:42:54.319] that, cuz people were just getting
[02:42:55.680] killed all the time. I don't know how
[02:42:57.439] many constitutions Italy's had since
[02:42:59.359] World War II, but it's it's probably
[02:43:00.960] over two dozen at this point. You know,
[02:43:02.640] it's a chaotic place. Wow. That's my
[02:43:05.040] people. It's my people, too. We're
[02:43:07.760] goofy.
[02:43:11.720] Um, what about the Reishard structure?
[02:43:15.280] You know, people ask me about that the
[02:43:16.960] eye of the Sahara. I usually I usually
[02:43:19.120] say, you know what, go to Corsetti, go
[02:43:21.680] to Bright Insight, go to Randall
[02:43:23.280] Carlson. Corsetti is the mo Randle
[02:43:25.439] Carlson doesn't believe that that was
[02:43:26.640] Atlant's, right? But Corsetti makes a
[02:43:28.800] very compelling case. Mountains to the
[02:43:30.800] north, river to the to the south, the
[02:43:33.200] circular, the concentric rings, the
[02:43:35.280] concentric rings, they're the correct
[02:43:36.720] size. the fact that there's still salt
[02:43:38.800] on the ground there. I want to believe
[02:43:40.560] it. Yeah. You know, and then there's
[02:43:42.640] like when you pull back and you get the
[02:43:44.800] satellite image of the surface and it
[02:43:46.560] looks like it was just completely
[02:43:48.399] delued. It does. Yeah. Well, we know for
[02:43:51.680] a fact it was delued. We just Does it
[02:43:54.800] line up with Atlantis? I mean I mean
[02:43:56.880] Carlson is showing us that how the
[02:43:59.359] surface of the of Africa was just
[02:44:01.680] altered. Yeah. By by, you know, by the
[02:44:04.160] flood. So, it all lines up, but there's
[02:44:08.160] all these leaps that we have to make. I
[02:44:10.319] enjoy making them. Yeah. But, you know,
[02:44:12.399] I on my show, I try to let people know,
[02:44:14.720] look, I connected some dots here. You
[02:44:16.960] know, I had to fill in some gaps with a
[02:44:19.200] little bit of creative license, but if
[02:44:22.080] you're interested, go pursue it. Go
[02:44:24.160] learn more. I want that to be Atlantis.
[02:44:26.479] Yeah. It seems like Atlantis was a real
[02:44:28.720] place because, you know, once they found
[02:44:30.880] out that Troy was a real place, Troy was
[02:44:33.040] also dismissed, right? Yes, it was. they
[02:44:34.560] found out, no, Troy actually existed. It
[02:44:36.720] It doesn't seem like any of those
[02:44:38.160] stories were It seems like
[02:44:39.680] they were historical accounts. And the
[02:44:42.479] thing about
[02:44:43.800] Plato's writings about Atlantis, he
[02:44:46.640] talks about it having existed 900 years
[02:44:49.680] prior, which lines up perfectly with the
[02:44:52.640] younger Dus, right? And he learned it
[02:44:54.640] from an Egyptian priest who learned it
[02:44:56.479] from someone else. So, the story goes
[02:44:58.720] back beyond Plato. If if you believe
[02:45:00.960] Plato, which you can if you believe
[02:45:02.880] Plato, well, he was right about a lot of
[02:45:04.960] things. And it's just it's so
[02:45:07.439] fascinating we think of like that kind
[02:45:09.120] of historical recordkeeping that you're
[02:45:11.439] getting
[02:45:12.680] these depictions of what kind of a
[02:45:15.760] civilization existed thousands and
[02:45:17.520] thousands of years ago. Right? So what
[02:45:19.840] you know with Homer's Iliad, what did
[02:45:22.160] they think he was writing about? A
[02:45:23.680] fictional place. I mean that was that
[02:45:25.920] was this I said I think I said 900
[02:45:27.520] years. I meant 9,000 years. 9,000 years.
[02:45:29.920] Yeah. Which is like, first of all, like
[02:45:32.080] how do you get 9,000 years of history
[02:45:35.040] 2,000 years ago? Like what are you even
[02:45:37.279] getting? Yeah. Like what how are these
[02:45:40.120] stories how are they documented? Like
[02:45:43.279] how do they pass them? How do they pass
[02:45:45.600] them on? Like who are the original
[02:45:47.120] people? Like what what's the actual
[02:45:48.960] version story? Like which one is more
[02:45:51.439] accurate? E epic of Gilgamesh, Noah's
[02:45:53.760] arc, which would like something seems to
[02:45:56.720] exist in almost every ancient
[02:45:58.560] civilization. They all have a flood
[02:46:00.399] myth. Yeah. And you know, Gilgamesh and
[02:46:03.439] and Noah's arc, it sounds very they're
[02:46:05.600] very similar stories. And there there
[02:46:07.439] are other cultures that have a Noah's
[02:46:09.600] Arc story. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's my
[02:46:13.600] favorite currently. I've seen like a a
[02:46:16.399] ton of videos and but I think Jimmy
[02:46:18.160] Corsetti does the best job about the
[02:46:20.240] rich art structure, but he's all in on
[02:46:22.399] it. Yes. And I think like it doesn't
[02:46:24.960] look natural. No, it doesn't. It
[02:46:26.720] doesn't. It looks like exactly and it's
[02:46:29.120] like what a coincidence that it matches
[02:46:31.279] the dimensions of Atlantis as described
[02:46:35.439] and it's in the right place. So, you
[02:46:37.040] know, when people argue for bimin biminy
[02:46:39.840] being the Atlantis, it's like they
[02:46:41.359] didn't know what any of that was, but
[02:46:42.720] they knew what North Africa was, right?
[02:46:45.359] And also, it's so close to Egypt. It's
[02:46:48.479] so close to what we already know was a
[02:46:51.120] super advanced civilization that
[02:46:52.640] existed. There's been no excavations of
[02:46:54.800] that. I don't believe so.
[02:46:57.680] Of the Reard structure. Yeah, I'm
[02:46:59.120] reading all about it. Oh, what what have
[02:47:00.479] they done? Like deep 1974 was
[02:47:02.800] discovered. They found
[02:47:04.120] artifacts. I'm looking right now. That's
[02:47:06.000] what I was about to show you is this
[02:47:07.600] isn't a great example, but there's other
[02:47:10.479] This isn't it? Uh, another eye that
[02:47:13.680] looks similar to it in the same area.
[02:47:16.240] Interesting. And then the comments say
[02:47:18.080] that there's even two or three of these.
[02:47:19.920] Whoa. Um, and I was reading uh Steven
[02:47:22.800] Nolla's breakdown of Jimmy's video. He
[02:47:24.960] says he's leaving out some known facts,
[02:47:27.279] like there was a canal that connected
[02:47:28.720] each of the circles that isn't apparent
[02:47:32.160] in the re-shot structure.
[02:47:34.720] But those are the things I was just
[02:47:36.000] getting at right now.
[02:47:38.319] But this looks like canals. Well, that's
[02:47:40.800] a different This isn't the reshot
[02:47:42.000] structure, right? Show the research
[02:47:43.359] structure. And the reot structure is
[02:47:44.640] strange because the coloration is
[02:47:46.160] different than the rest of the uh that
[02:47:47.840] was also the depictions of the colors of
[02:47:49.760] the rocks is the same red and black.
[02:47:52.560] Yeah. Like that is crazy. That's
[02:47:55.840] crazy. It is. There weren't the one guy
[02:47:57.840] who found artifacts said there was there
[02:47:59.600] was some stuff like out here on the
[02:48:01.120] outer circles, but not very many inside.
[02:48:04.359] Well, the question is like how big was
[02:48:07.120] the catastrophe and how much would be
[02:48:09.200] left and what would you actually see?
[02:48:12.080] You know, like how much was the
[02:48:13.439] structure altered by whatever the
[02:48:15.600] happened, right? So, when we talk about
[02:48:17.760] ancient advanced civilizations, we're
[02:48:19.840] not talking about more advanced than us.
[02:48:22.160] We just mean advanced, right? So, people
[02:48:24.800] will say, "Well, where's their plastic?
[02:48:26.479] Where's their Yeah, but it has it
[02:48:28.640] doesn't have to be the same kind of
[02:48:30.240] advanced." It doesn't combustion
[02:48:32.399] engines, all the different things that
[02:48:33.840] we've done, electronics, like we're just
[02:48:35.680] assuming that technology always goes in
[02:48:38.720] the exact same path. But it's whatever
[02:48:40.960] the they were doing, we know
[02:48:42.479] whatever we know they were doing in
[02:48:44.080] Egypt was extraordinary with in terms of
[02:48:46.160] like their ability to core the drills
[02:48:48.880] when they have these cores that they
[02:48:50.399] like high-speed drills that seem to be
[02:48:53.439] like if not diamond tipped, something of
[02:48:55.680] a similar vein that allowed them to dig
[02:48:57.840] into that granite like that.
[02:48:59.520] Like right, how do they gener 2,000 RPMs
[02:49:02.479] or whatever? How could they do that?
[02:49:04.479] Yeah, it's all freaky, man. It's like
[02:49:07.200] the history. I mean, Graham has the best
[02:49:09.920] depiction. He said, "We are a species
[02:49:11.520] with amnesia." That's the perfect way to
[02:49:13.840] say it. You know, it's a shame that he's
[02:49:16.319] marginalized, but I like that Netflix is
[02:49:18.080] stuck by him and keep pumping those out.
[02:49:20.160] Well, the facts are the facts, you know,
[02:49:21.920] just the the structures that he's
[02:49:23.359] uncovering when you you're looking at
[02:49:25.200] Gunnam Padang, when you're looking at
[02:49:26.800] all these different places, when you
[02:49:28.000] look at, you know, just Machu Picchu,
[02:49:30.720] all these different place, like what the
[02:49:32.640] was going on? Like, why is this
[02:49:35.439] stuff so complex? Why is it so
[02:49:37.359] fascinating? And why aren't we allowed
[02:49:39.520] to ask? Why aren't we allowed to
[02:49:41.439] investigate it? Yeah. Uh remember when
[02:49:44.399] at one when uh his ancient apocalypse
[02:49:46.560] season one came out, there was a British
[02:49:48.479] newspaper said Graham Hancock is the
[02:49:50.160] most dangerous man in the world
[02:49:53.120] because of the white as just dumb asses.
[02:49:55.120] Well, they always want to connect it to
[02:49:56.479] white supremacy, which is so crazy cuz
[02:49:58.800] Graham Hancock is the furthest from a
[02:50:01.359] white supremacist. You know, he's
[02:50:04.000] married to a woman of color. He's like
[02:50:05.920] he's like the sweetest, nicest guy. He's
[02:50:08.319] a vegan. Of course. He's like, he never
[02:50:10.880] said they're they were white folks. No,
[02:50:12.560] he said, "No one says that." And who
[02:50:14.240] cares? I just want to know who they
[02:50:15.680] were. Well, they couldn't be white folks
[02:50:17.359] because white folks don't live there.
[02:50:19.279] No. Like, if they're Egyptians, they're
[02:50:20.960] Africans. Like, the Africans were the
[02:50:23.279] most sophisticated civilization that we
[02:50:26.319] have ever seen that existed at that
[02:50:28.560] point in time. We don't know if they're
[02:50:30.319] as sophisticated as we are, but we know
[02:50:32.479] they did some stuff back then that we're
[02:50:34.160] not capable of today. Yes. And that's
[02:50:36.640] real. It is. And we don't know how. We
[02:50:38.640] don't know what technology they had. But
[02:50:40.640] here's the thing. If it's not from 2,500
[02:50:43.279] BC, if it's really from 30,000 BC, what
[02:50:46.960] do you think would be left? Like only
[02:50:49.040] maybe the stone. That would be it.
[02:50:51.200] That's pro. That's part of the problem.
[02:50:53.600] Steel, any kind of gone. It would only
[02:50:56.319] take a hundred years for Manhattan to be
[02:50:58.800] covered by vegetation. A thousand years,
[02:51:01.920] the the skyscrapers would crumble.
[02:51:04.800] 10,000 years, it' all be washed away.
[02:51:06.560] Right? a hundred thousand years. You're
[02:51:08.000] not gonna see Jack. Nothing. Nothing.
[02:51:10.160] Yeah. Who is that um British
[02:51:12.399] archaeologist that we brought up the
[02:51:13.840] other day, Jamie, with the um where he
[02:51:17.760] has this like really good point that
[02:51:19.760] human beings have been in essentially
[02:51:21.040] the same form for the last 300,000
[02:51:22.960] years. Like it's not outside the realm
[02:51:25.120] of possibility that we have achieved
[02:51:26.960] very high levels of sophistication
[02:51:28.880] multiple times and have been knocked
[02:51:30.800] back down to the stone age again. Sure.
[02:51:32.800] By cataclysmic events. Right. And that
[02:51:35.359] makes a lot of sense to me that it's
[02:51:36.720] just part of a cycle. Yeah. You know,
[02:51:39.120] the doomsday clock is it's kind of a
[02:51:41.120] real thing is that you just get to a
[02:51:44.080] level of technology where you just are
[02:51:45.760] too dangerous for your own good. We're
[02:51:47.520] not sophisticated enough for nuclear
[02:51:48.960] weapons. We're not smart enough to have
[02:51:50.399] those. No. Well, that's the hope is that
[02:51:53.120] that's what the aliens are here for. To
[02:51:54.720] go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Right.
[02:51:56.800] Because because they have Yeah. Why did
[02:51:59.600] they allow just the United States to
[02:52:01.760] detonate 60 something bombs? And well,
[02:52:04.800] here's the thing. Two of them that
[02:52:07.359] caused mass death, right? Hiroshima and
[02:52:10.840] Nagasaki, but that's also when the UFO
[02:52:14.399] starts showing up in mass, you know, and
[02:52:16.479] you know, I have this comedy club called
[02:52:18.160] the Comedy Mothership, and the rooms are
[02:52:20.880] named Fat Man and Little Boy. Okay? And
[02:52:23.200] the reason why is because in UFO
[02:52:25.680] folklore after those bombs were dropped
[02:52:27.680] that's when the mother ship started
[02:52:28.960] showing up. Right. Yeah. And in some
[02:52:31.439] tests you can see stuff in the sky in
[02:52:33.760] the films. I think you can see something
[02:52:36.080] at Castle Bravo. Could be wrong but
[02:52:37.520] there are some tests where you can see
[02:52:38.880] stuff in the sky. Like what what was
[02:52:41.359] that for a few frames? Like they were
[02:52:43.200] keeping an eye on I hope they are. Yeah
[02:52:46.640] would be nice. Please. That would be
[02:52:48.160] nice. Well, listen AJ, I love your
[02:52:50.399] show. You have provided me with
[02:52:52.720] hours and hours of entertainment. It's
[02:52:55.279] an awesome program. You do a really good
[02:52:57.040] job. It's really well done. I don't know
[02:52:59.120] who's doing it with you and how you
[02:53:00.720] promote how you produce it, but you you
[02:53:02.479] guys kill it. Thanks, man. Great
[02:53:04.319] team. It's a great show. The Y Files,
[02:53:06.240] it's available on YouTube.
[02:53:08.920] 4.73 million subscribers, so I'm not
[02:53:11.760] alone. And you guys have only been
[02:53:13.120] around for how many years now? Two uh
[02:53:15.279] 2020. That's amazing. Five years. and
[02:53:17.600] you already have almost 5 million
[02:53:18.960] subscribers. The CIA is just backing up.
[02:53:22.160] It's a great show. That's what
[02:53:23.600] it is. So, um I'm glad we finally did
[02:53:25.600] this. So, thank you very much, man. And
[02:53:27.439] if you ever got anything crazy you want
[02:53:29.439] to break it here, we're ready for you.
[02:53:31.520] You got an episode coming out you want
[02:53:32.960] everybody to know about, come on back. I
[02:53:34.960] think we probably do this a 100 times.
[02:53:36.880] Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. All
[02:53:38.319] right. Bye, everybody.
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