Sarah Gamm — "The UAP Task Force Insider They Tried to Silence" (UAP Reporting Center, Jul 2026)

Source: UAP Reporting Center (YouTube), interview with Sarah Gamm — a self-described UAP Task Force member with an NGA / satellite-imagery background. Host + Gamm; recorded at a Palm Springs venue.
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac5HCYMOJq8 (uploaded 2026-07-03; source runtime ~1:25:08).
Captured: 2026-07-04. OpenAI Whisper (whisper-1, verbose_json timestamps) via scripts/speech_to_text_remote.py; two speakers (host + Gamm), not diarized; merged into timestamped paragraphs; proper nouns normalized from ASR where evident (the model rendered "Gamm" variously as "Gibbs/Kim", "Bledsoe" and "Lito" imperfectly).
Source audio defect: the video has a duplicated-audio error (flagged by viewers in the comments). The interview's first pass (~0:00-40:42) is replayed near-verbatim from ~40:42 to ~79:00 (a ~38-minute offset; e.g. the same Jeremy Corbell / George Knapp "that video didn't happen" story recurs), after which a genuinely new closing segment (~79:17 to end, the Egypt/Giza trip) resumes. The replayed span is omitted below to leave one clean pass plus the novel ending; retained timestamps are the source's original positions, and the full as-aired audio remains at the URL.
Analysis: ../../sources/uaptf

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[0:00] So, Sarah, if you can, just briefly, if you can tell the audience what your background is. Well, I'll take it brief. I've had a very fortunate life so far, so I'm going to help reflect and do this. My background is in astrophysics, and my master's is in countering weapons of mass destruction. I'm also a farm girl. I grew up on a farm in Missouri, and my parents are still there, so I can still go back to visit. But I spent almost 20 years in the intel community, and I've been an image scientist, an image analyst, a research scientist, so I've supported mission operations at NRO, National Reconnaissance Office, for satellites, and at NGA, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, LDNI, Office for International Intelligence, and now I've also been in the Pentagon for a little bit, supporting the Air Force there, and now I work for a contractor for the Army, for Army Corps of Engineers. Well, that is certainly a hell of a background, for sure.

[1:16] It's been a curvy road. Yeah, and a lot of cool life experiences, like growing up on a farm in Missouri and ending up at the Pentagon, and working in a UAP task force, of all things. Had it been like growing up as a girl on a farm, it probably would have been hard to imagine the track your life, the path your life was going to take. I know. I have no idea. I fell in love with the stars, though, when I was little. I was around fourth grade, and how old that is, seven or eight years old. One of my brothers got a telescope for Christmas, and we went and looked at the moon, and I fell in love. But then, that passion has also led to a lot of negativity, because it's a very small farming community, and people would say, you're not going to make it out of here, you're just going to be a farmer, like everybody else, and so I think that helped me do a drive to prove everybody wrong, and to make it out, but I had no idea that one day I would be telling the world what I have been about here without a loan, and I never would have anticipated

[2:22] that. That's pretty incredible, and that you persevered through that, and achieved the level of success that you have. So let me ask, with your NGA background in satellite imagery, and kind of related topics, do you think or do you know, do we actually have crystal clear, high-res photos of things that the public hasn't seen yet? Is the government withholding the good stuff? Yes. Okay, and you've seen it. Yes. That's pretty straightforward, and thank you for that. Let me ask you this, what is the single most definitive piece of data or flight behavior you saw while on the UAP task force that ruled out foreign anniversaries like China or Russia? Yeah, that's, you know, there's five maneuverables, and one of them is instantaneous acceleration.

[3:15] It's, you know, g-forces and pivots and turns that any aircraft can't do, including drones. So I was able to see in color—I'm trying to think of the proper word without getting in trouble—an object that we were tracking—not we, I didn't do it, it was the drone that was tracking it for a while, and all of a sudden it just buzzed off, and it wasn't parallax, it was parallax, you know, it's the difference between where the sensor is and the background and the object in between it, so things don't look like they go the same speed, so it wasn't parallax, and then all of a sudden you're able to reacquire the object, and it made very sudden, like, increasing altitude and then acceleration. Wow, I'd like to see that video.

[4:11] I hope everybody can. I hope so. So that's what we're aiming for, so I do hope we get there. If you could force the scientific community to look at just one specific piece of overlooked data or methodology regarding the phenomena, what would it be? Can you repeat that, because I'm going to continue to think about this for a minute. Absolutely. So if you can force the scientific community to look at just one specific piece of overlooked data or overlooked methodology, I can never say that word, methodology, regarding the phenomena, what would it be? So what are we not looking at that we should be? Such a good question. I'll say it in relation to the releases that have been happening, there's no metadata there,

[5:07] so we can't see that as a whole. So we're just seeing, I gave an example earlier when we talked today, you just receive a coffee cup. Like, what's in the cup? Is there a chemical in there? Is there, you know, a biological organism in there? Like, you don't know what's in the coffee cup. You have no other data. You have no context. You don't know if it's hot or if it's cold. So that's kind of, like, what we received with the government release, but one, I really, sorry, that was a really good question. I don't know how to properly answer it, because there's, there really is so much that is looked at from the government side. So, like, when I was supporting the task force, we covered all of that. We would reach out to the drone operators. We would reach out to pilots, because pilots would always see stuff.

[5:55] So we would do interviews with the people. We would reach out to the experts in the area. Something was seen over, you know, the Palm Springs resort here that we're at. We would reach out to an expert that might live here or something. So at least in the task force days, and I'm certain AERO is doing the same, a lot of the methodologies and the interviews and things weren't covered then. So I, I'm sorry, I don't know how to properly answer that. You're doing great. You're doing absolutely great, and thank you. It was a good answer. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So you have a master's in countering weapons of mass destruction.

[6:33] Why do you think the phenomena are so consistently messing with our nuclear infrastructure? I'm not going to directly answer that yet, because I think one of the reasons why we have so much evidence of activity around these nuclear sites is because there's cameras and there's people looking up there already for defense, right? So I think it's not a great baseline that we have for scientific evidence of the visitors that are coming in, because there's already a lot of sensors and things there. So if you're going to my farm from Missouri and have the same sensors, how do we know if something's been showing up or not in the skies there? We don't. Great point. We're not looking up. But I also think it's—they're kind of checking—this is part of Sarah Kim's personal opinion, looking at both cameras, which camera are you using—that it's them kind of checking on us, making sure we're not imploding this planet, and we're not destroying ourselves in this process,

[7:34] although technically kind of are. But I think they're checking on us, and once in a while, when you hear about the reports of the 1960—was it 7?—1962—oh my gosh—of the nuclear missile site being shut down and things were activated, I don't know, maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, but I feel like it was like, oopsie, didn't mean to get that close, didn't mean for our technology or aircraft or whatever it was to get close to activate all this, because they haven't been nefarious. So again, optimism, but I think they're just checking on us. That's a great answer, and I guess piggybacking off of that, since they seem to be concerned about our nuclear programs and about destroying the planet, do you think that speaks to where

[8:27] they come from? Do you think they come from some far-off, distant galaxy, or do you think they're from here, and that's why they're concerned? Yes, they're both. I say both. And there's so much of this planet we don't know about, you know, all of the oceans, and this Earth is water, so what better place to hide and to live, but yes, I think they have been here for thousands of years, have been fortunate enough to go to Egypt and see evidence of potential extraterrestrial involvement, and there's hieroglyphics that have extraterrestrials on them. There's lizard people, monkey people, mermen, all kinds of things on the walls of these temples, so they've been here for a very long time, but I also think they're coming in to pop in to say hello, and I also joke that—my early days in the task force, I would joke that we're a petting zoo, and they're coming in to visit, and so you're like, oh, yeah,

[9:24] this is—yeah, they're still not okay yet. Like, we're going to pop out now. And so they'll come in and kind of, you know, view the petting zoo and see the cows and the sheep, and then head back out. Yeah, I think that's a fantastic answer, because I was talking to somebody the other night here, and they said the same thing, like, they keep checking, like, are they ready? Oh, no, they're not ready yet to receive the truth of whatever that may be, and then they jet back out of here, because I think we're getting worse instead of better, if anything. Yeah, well, I don't want to stay out. Right, let's get out of here. But I also think, like, you know, maybe they are from here, but maybe it attaches itself

[10:05] to the interdimensional aspect. So maybe what we do on the planet to each other really doesn't concern them all that much, but maybe they depend on the same planet that we're on. So, like, they can do whatever they want, if they don't actually destroy the planet, because we need that, too. Yeah, totally, could be. Yeah, we'll see. Hopefully, we find out. I would love to. I hope it happens in my lifetime. I agree. So you were on the UAP Task Force before it became Arrow. Did you feel, when you were part of it, that the mission shifted from actually investigation into a cover-up? Well, when I left the task force, it was in around October of 2020. So it was still tailed to the pandemic, or, like, the shutdown. So I left before the task force was absolved, and then Arrow started. So there was such a collaborative effort on the task force. It was the most beautiful thing to support.

[11:09] It was volunteer basis, and I supported it from a small little corner pocket at NGA. And it was just so beautiful and so collaborative. It was volunteer. I think I said that already. I'm sorry. But then when Arrow got stood up, I used the analogy that it was in a fortified cask. It wasn't just a brick wall. It was thick castle walls, multiple feet of walls. And when I offered to hand over a database of years' worth of data that was in it to an Arrow individual, their response was, we have our own database. Wow. Word for word. That was, we have our own database. So there was a lot of disconnect. They would pretend at first to reach out to ask the task force seniors for help, which I was not one. And I didn't meet the seniors either. But it was, so they would pretend and reach out for them for help, like help edit this document, and would never use the edits.

[12:20] So it was very unfortunate. It was very heartbreaking. And also with the release that's been happening, the UAP documents that have been released, there's a massive gap in the data. There's nothing from prior to Arrow. From when, you know, Ludo Alessandro with ATEP and the task force, there is very, very minimal amount of data from those days. And there's no doubt in my mind, it's from that we have our own database coming. It's, yeah, it's certainly frustrating. Because the more you look at it, it really looks like we're not looking for the truth. We're not looking to collaborate to actually get the data. Yeah, exactly right. And that's, so I'm so happy you said that. You're in a position to say that. You were part of it. So matter settled, in my opinion.

[13:15] Could you describe, and if you're not comfortable with that, it's fine, what kind of infighting was going on, like, between people? Who's bullshitting and who's telling the truth of people that are out on the internet today telling this stuff? And if you don't want to answer, it's fine. Yeah, well, I don't, I'm not a person, like, I don't want to name names and slander because that's been done to me. And that don't feel good. But yeah, there's been people that I've called friends, I've called family, I've met their family. And I have been, you know, sent screenshots of them saying straight up lies about me. I have had, you know, some very well-known journalists and podcasters slander me and call me names. And when they, one of them has my phone number, we've talked. I've met both of them before. They joined one of my happy hours that I planned. And instead of reaching out to talk, they attacked.

[14:21] And I've just taken it because I've done nothing wrong. I've always said the truth. I am a terrible liar. My polygraphs prove that. I have to take a CI poly every five to seven years, depending on how busy they are. But it has, it's been very unfortunate. And I don't understand the egos and the drive that is caused by these lies and manipulation. And because we're all on the same team, you would think we're all on this planet together with the same problem of these secrecies and these, the coverups. And so I just, I will, maybe I'm stateful. I don't understand their point of view, but it hurts. And I, I'm actually still dealing with the individuals, the journalists and stuff, what they did to me a year and a half ago. I'm still dealing with some problems at my job for me.

[15:23] Oh, wow. I'm sorry for that. We should be on the same team and fighting for the same goal. I'm at risk. I'm at risk of saying the wrong thing. If I slip up one word, it's my career. Right. It gets me in class, but it's your career. And we should be looking out for each other. And instead of appreciating, like, it gives us lots of courage. And this is very stressful, knowing that every time I talk, it might, it might be the end of something for me. That's very important. So I just, I always preach about kindness, that it's easy to be kind and it takes energy to be me. Really well said. And it's just the truth. Especially with people, as we were talking, if you have a problem with me, pick up the phone. You got my number? Oh, I call. I don't doubt that. That was lying about me in the beginning. When I came forward, I called immediately. Good for you.

[16:19] I grew up in that type of environment, in a small town, and I don't put up with it. Call it out. So I call immediately. Good for you. You're not getting away with it. Yeah, I'm a very blunt person. Right. I can tell. Yeah, I can absolutely tell. And that's a good thing. Is the core data, so all the data involving the topic that we're talking about, is the core data overclassified just by standard bureaucracy on how it's set up? Sorry, I rolled my eyes. No. That wasn't you. That wasn't your question. Yeah, no, no, no. All good. Is it overclassified by standard bureaucracy, or is it intentionally buried in illegal legacy programs designed to bypass Congress? Yes. So, simply, yes. I got really frustrated. There was a lot of the task force data that was at a secret releasable to USA and FIDO data, so our allies, and so that also means it could be on the SIPR network, which is the secret network, and that's what most of the military branches work off of.

[17:34] At one point, and I don't remember the year right now, because I actually haven't thought about this in a while, but it was after my time on the task force and when ARO stood up, so sometime between 2022 and maybe 2024, a lot of that SIPR data, secret, relative, finite, was upgraded to secret, no form, and added some caveats to where they had to strip it off of SIPR. Wow. What? And then they claimed, because I informed some higher-up people, and they called ARO out on it, and ARO's response was, we only have our reports at the level the sensor was. So, if the sensor was at a secret 5I, the analysis is at secret 5I, so that's very typical in the IC, so if you have a top secret, the other caveat of a sensor, that's what level the report and analysis will be. But that wasn't true. Like, they straight up...

[18:40] Wow. Very frustrating. So, yeah, that was just an example of, yeah, over-classification. I was never read into any compartments or any special access things, but I have heard from other people that were that it's definitely over-classified. I mean, they've taken pictures from fighter pilots and put them in secret, no form. When they took them from their cell phone. Come on. What? Right. The public should see this. Right. Why is the pilot's photo from his phone now a secret no form? Right. How is that harming national security? Yeah, I completely agree. That's silly. You don't also know if what they saw was a preventable wound, because there's a lot of wounds. Anyways, read it to them. Right. No, I get it. But unless there's a direct, you would think there should be a precipice that has to be met or a threshold that has to be met to classify it. How is this?

[19:39] You need to identify how this is going to harm national security if it's released. But that doesn't exist, sadly. So they could just classify whatever they want. So we hear a lot about some major event coming in 2027, whether it be aliens are going to land or there's going to be a major solar event, something like that. Just as an example, Lou Elizondo keeps coming across saying, you know, keep your loved ones close, spend time with your family, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. When you were with the UAP Task Force or since, well, let me phrase it this way. When you were in government, did you hear anything like that? And since we've all been hearing it, do you put any weight to it? No, I haven't. I never heard anything like that when I was in the government.

[20:33] But I also supported the Task Force from that very small quarter pocket of data. So I saw probably, I'm assuming 10% of what's out there. But I never heard of the date. I know Lou, I know other people have set a date. Chris Fletcher has also mentioned dates. I'm not on that bandwagon. I think I forgot to mention, I'm also a psychic medium. And I, as a medium, I don't like to give dates like that, but for especially big events. Like if I'm doing a client meeting, I'll say, oh, in like six-ish months or something. Like that's different, right? But I don't like doing that because I don't know what they're talking about. And I don't know what they know. But from my perspective, it's just dangerous because people hold on to them, right? Just like you are like so many people I've asked about this 2027 thing.

[21:30] I don't support all of it. Yeah, and that's good. I think we need, if you're going to make big claims like that, there should be some sort of supporting evidence for it. And Lou is a family man. So sitting down with family is like a normal thing that you would say. But I do think it's, I just don't like talking dates. And that's from my mediumship side of things. So I already wasn't comfortable with it. And making big, bold claims, you got to have some big, bold data behind it. Absolutely. So you just mentioned about your psychic medium, and it's super interesting. So let me ask, you had a near-death experience that kind of unlocked your sight. Am I saying that right? Unlocked your, okay, so I am saying that right. It was the squeak came out. Right, all good, all good. How did your, well, let me rephrase that. Tell us what happened. Yeah, it was actually this month, May 10th of 2012.

[22:35] So I just had my 14-year anniversary. But I had seen ghosts and paranormal stuff my whole life. So that part was normal. And somehow my family just embraced it all, my weirdness. Weird and nerdiness, because of my physics and astronomy stuff. But my near-death experience, so I passed away in the recovery room. So I had a deviated septum surgery. Surgery went well. And I was in the recovery room when I stopped breathing, and then my heart stopped. Lasted less than two minutes. So it wasn't too, too long. Not as long as some of the NDEs. Oh my gosh, there's so many NDE stories here. It has been fantastic listening to them. Sorry, this is about us. No, I'm good. So I remember this day, it was probably about six months or so later. It was within a year, I started having psychic things happen. And I did not know what was going on with my body. And it would accelerate to where I was traveling for work at one point. And I heard a car crash in my ear. It happened without me. But I'm in a hotel room getting ready for the day. So I didn't know what to do with this information. So I texted my family.

[23:57] And I was like, everybody, be careful driving today. Make sure to pay attention. I just didn't know what to do with it. And it happened to be my best friend that watches over my cats for me when I'm gone. He had a car accident that night. And he was on his way to take care of my boys. Oh my God. So when stuff like that started happening, I was starting to freak out more and more. So I went and got help. It was scary. Yeah, I bet. You probably don't know what the hell is going on with me. I was shuttled down. I'm having weird dreams, just like the movie The Sixth Sense. All these things were coming to the little boy. And I was like, that happened to me. I was having night terrors. And I was having all these things and talking to entities in my sleep to where

[24:44] my boyfriend at the time, he would assemble his block together and case the house out. Because I'd be talking to somebody in my sleep in the house. And I had him so convinced that somebody was there. And it was spirits coming to me for help. And it was very scary. I had no idea what was happening to me. And people like to make fun of me for this. But I don't care. I didn't have a choice in the matter. Right. They're not walking in your shoes. So it's easy for them. I don't care. Right. Good for you. That's the right attitude. How did your... When your colleagues found out, did they give you a hard time or anything like that? Or did they just accept it? This is what it is. Um, at the time when I really started going through spiritual classes and training, I was terrified to let people know. It was tight lips.

[25:39] And eventually our teacher, she would say a spirit would lead you to the right moment to come out. And that's what happened. So one day I eventually said something people were talking about like loosening. And I was like, I could do that with my body. I don't need those gadgets. I don't need an SLS camera. I do that with here and here. And it was neat because half of them didn't care. They're like, okay, I got better things. I got my work to do. And others would ask questions. And it's been like that since. Nobody has cared. Once in a while, I'll get genuine questions or, oh my gosh, I totally like had this experience. So they'll start sharing ghost experiences with me. I have not encountered one person that said you shouldn't be working here. That's awesome. That's really, really awesome.

[26:36] It is such a blessing and so much weight off my shoulders that it doesn't matter. Yeah, I bet. I got a story, a quick one for you. So I had a near-death experience. Oh, wow. It was in a car accident here. Yeah. Thank you very much. Insane. Thank you. Broke 26 bones. Had a brain surgery. Collapsed both my lungs. Like crazy stuff. So a year later, whatever, me and my ex-girlfriend were sitting there. And we liked all the ghost hunting shows and stuff like that. So we were like, let's go try it. So there's this old tuberculosis sanitarium from decades ago that we went. So anyway. Yeah, West End Sanitarium. Yeah, it's like 20 minutes from my house. So we snuck in at night. And we walk in this one room. Now it's just a couple of burnt out buildings. So we walk in.

[27:28] And you do the whole, if there's anybody here, give us a sign here for that whole thing. Soon as I said that, so I'm here. Say she's there behind me. I say that a mist comes up from the ground in the shape of a person, like a gray mist. Shoulders, legs, head, walk past us. Maybe to like where the thing ends there. Disappeared. I turn around. I'm like, she's like, I saw it. I saw it before I even said anything. And then her earring came out of her ear. I swear to God. And say that's the wall, flew across the room, bounced off the wall. So now we're like a little scared shitless a little bit. So we walk out and there's near this fence. I was all cheating the fence around it. But near the fence line, like tall grass, there was all like scrap, like old metal and steel and stuff. It started shaking. Rumbling, like really loud. And we got the hell out of there. That's our cue.

[28:29] You don't need to be here. Right. Exactly right. But I never saw anything in my life until I had, I don't know if it's related, but I had a near death experience. And then all of a sudden I'm seeing things. It's very common for abilities to be woken up or, I mean, 100% of humans are born with abilities. Everybody can do psychic mediatic or telepathy and all that. We just turn it out. We get told it's your imaginary friend or the world crashes in on you. And so it goes away. So I think that there's so many studies done now, too, on near death experiences. But it opens up something. And I was fortunate enough on the day of my anniversary this year, a reporter from Popular Mechanics interviewed me about near death experiences.

[29:19] So they're starting to do more studies to think about consciousness. And the article kind of discounted my, it was an uplift, but also the study that was in it was, but is that real? So it's really cool to hear other stories of NDEs and what happens afterwards. Yeah. And I think it's really cool as well. Like you just mentioned, consciousness, people are actually starting to look at consciousness. Like I interviewed yesterday, Dr. Thomas Campbell. Unbelievably brilliant, brilliant man. The author of My Big Toe, The Theory of Everything. I didn't really get consciousness before, but after talking to him, I was thinking a whole different way. Like he opened my eyes a little bit to things. Yeah. But when you think about it from a science perspective, it's easier to grasp.

[30:15] So I was thinking of quantum entanglement. And physics has proven that 10 dimensions exist. And so when you, it's like, yeah, I can keep going, but it's really amazing the type of living right now of all of the studies you've proven water has consciousness, trees have consciousness, and it doesn't stop there. Like this is just like the tipping point to so much more that we're going to discover in the next 10, 15 years. Right. Absolutely. Let me ask you this one. So we know the government studied remote viewing in the past. When you were on the task force, was there any open discussion about that or about the consciousness aspect of UAPs? Or was that kind of like taboo to talk about? So my time on the task force was very strict on just looking at the data.

[31:06] If any of that was discussed, I wasn't a part of it. But the point of the task force was to make sure our pilots were safe, make sure our nuclear missile sites were safe. So we looked at it from a very strict data standpoint. We joked that there was a rule of no conspiracy theory talk. Then you pick something else. Now I forget why because I haven't talked about that for a while either. But we did not discuss any of what you just asked. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess, like you said, the mission was to protect pilots and stuff like that. So unless you're really diving into the subject, consciousness probably wouldn't really come up so much. But as an astrophysicist, which is what you are in the medium, which is what you are,

[31:54] how do you bridge that gap? Are we dealing with physical hardware from another planet? Or is it strictly consciousness? If you had a bet on it. Yeah, all people. OK. I mean, we have reverse engineering. So there has been some reverse engineering that's been done. And depending who you talk to, we have a whole aircraft reverse engineered or we've just begun baby steps to reverse engineer it because I've heard both. I've heard people say that they've witnessed an aircraft that's been reverse engineered, we've built it, that they've seen levitate. And then I've heard opposite stories. But it is both. It's a consciousness thing. I mean, I was doing a ghost time. So I used to go to the Oregon Ghost Conference.

[32:42] I haven't been in the past year or two. But I was doing a lot of ghost time. And in the ghost time, so my friends in the team that were actually in the location, I would say, wait, stop. I was like, there's something here. So I describe and I'm like, OK, pan the camera to the left to see what I described. And then I realized, this is an alien. And exactly what I described, how it was standing, how it looked, its arm movements, was on the SLS camera. So all of this is, it's a married topic. All of it's together. We have hardware, but we also have interdimensional travels, travelers that pop in on both sides. Yeah. And one of my friends is actually here. We just got to do a panel together. And he reminded me that after that ghost time, he would, because he's also like,

[33:33] he was part of the task force. And he was like, I want to do this again tomorrow. And we did. It showed up again. And you can see it on the camera. It was so, so cool. And I didn't understand at the time why we experienced that. Of course, now I do. Is it was showing me that this is all one. It's pretty, pretty incredible. So you've mentioned in the past that the classified evidence you reviewed has never left you without violating any clearances. Can you speak to the nature of that weight? Um, shackles, you know, the cannonball shackle, the weight of having answers for everybody and having to keep it within and knowing if I did let that out, I would be in a lot of trouble. I love my job. I love my career. I love my country.

[34:36] So I hope I never, ever do something to risk what I do for my day job. But it sucks. It sucks so much when, you know, I'm getting harassed in the chat and being called a liar. And, you know, because I can't, I can't speak everything. And yeah, it really sucks. It, it, it, it's hard traveling because you have to like traveling to foreign countries and, you know, your foreign national friends. And, um, it's, it's shackles. Makes sense. So would you say knowing what, you know, is there a legitimate reason why you're not allowed to tell the, to tell what, you know, should it be classified or should people know? Oh, people should know. What I can't say is because of, um, what I mentioned earlier,

[35:34] and I like when Dean Smith full circle things here. Um, what I mentioned earlier, when you have a sensor that's at a top secret caveat level, like whatever the caveat is, top secret TK five. Um, and the analysis from that sensor is going to be at that top secret level. Um, so if, and I could talk about the jellyfish video because that is now, um, declassified Altanicum, um, it's a, a cluster of balloons. So I can say that now because Arrow unclassified that report in the 17 minute video to say, this is a cluster of balloons. They didn't provide all the details from the report, but they stripped it down to what they could. Um, but before they declassified that, if I would have said it was a cluster of balloons, that report was at a secret, no foreign novel. And that would have meant my clearance has caught potential jail time.

[36:32] God, man, they really shackle you guys. Something so simple like that. Like I couldn't say balloons, but I can say it's not a UAP, but I couldn't say balloons because that was the analysis that was in the report. Does that make sense? Absolutely. So, um, that's why sometimes like I have to be vague or, uh, and I'll, um, have very simple questions like, what is this? I'll have to try to think of something to dance around. And then I get nervous because I'm not a good liar and I don't want to go to jail and I start getting nervous and I just say, I can't talk about it. I can say for the audience, this meeting Sarah, she seems like a very authentic, honest person. I really can't, I can't see you intentionally lying or misleading people. It just doesn't seem to fit with what I see it. So yeah, absolutely.

[37:22] So let's talk about the jellyfish. So when that first came out, Jeremy Corbell released it. It was making all the rage, you know, did you catch any flack when you said it's not a UAP where people mad at you sort of? Yeah, that's, that's who attacked me. Okay. Okay. Him and, um, George, um, it was very disheartening. Uh, they never reached out. Jeremy has my cell phone number. We talked multiple times earlier that year. I planned a big event, um, and where people had to fly into and we were staying, maybe at hotels and stuff. Um, but I was planning a big event that he was supposed to go to. So we had just talked like six months prior to this. Um, so he could have reached out. I've met both of them in person. Um, I have a photo of both of them. They never attacked me then.

[38:13] Um, I was crushed. I don't mind. It carries a lot of weight for somebody to be attacked. I don't mind people talking bad about me, but when it's from somebody that's a role model, um, somebody that, that is, you know, a trained, like I'm talking, I'm talking not about Jeremy, but the, you know, uh, a trained journalist and educated journalist and didn't bother to reach out. Um, I, I was so devastated. I was actually in Egypt, um, with, it was the Ross Poulthart trip and UAP spiritual people. So I was in the right place at the right time. When the first time they attacked me on that, um, I was sitting on the Nile cruise boat in the lobby before going out that morning crying. I was so devastated and so hurt and I've done nothing wrong. And I said the truth. I, you know, I, I didn't do the analysis for that report, but I've read it and I saw

[39:09] the video and, um, and they said a lot of other things that were not true about me. If they would have watched my interviews, they would have known, um, what they said about me. I, I never said it myself. Um, yeah, it was very disappointing. Um, and a big lesson learned in this environment that, um, sometimes people don't care about the truth. They care about flicks or, or a paycheck. Um, uh, so I learned quickly to hold my ground and to just let people talk about me. And I, I'm sorry that happened to you. Um, what should have happened is Jeremy or whoever is in a position like that should have called you and said, Hey, Sarah, I know you said this, but here's why it's not what you think it is. Or just have a conversation, have a talk. Yeah, exactly. Right.

[40:00] And then I learned they, they did it again. There was another wave and, um, it was Christmas or not Christmas, the formal holiday, uh, New Year's Eve that same year. So, um, December 31st, 2024. Um, and one of my chats just died. So I got home and I'm crying. I'm already upset. And I start getting another wave of text messages saying you're doing it again. Like why? And then overall, that video didn't happen. In the bigger picture, in the bigger scheme of things, like when you step out from this like ego bubble, it didn't matter. So I just, I don't, I don't get it. Um, or, you know, on the same planet, we're doing the same thing. And it also makes me wonder if I was a guy, would they have done that?

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[79:17] I do want to touch on your Egypt trip. Your Egypt trip, quick. So that's 10 times fast. Egypt trip, quick. Egypt trip, oh yeah, I couldn't do that. Me neither. Could you tell us about your trip? Did anything, tell us about your trip, and if you had any epiphanies, or anything like that. Yes, all of the above. That was the first time I ever tried, I know Chris Bledsoe doesn't like to say summoning in UAPs, but I was able to have a few little friendly orbs come by for 15 to 20 minutes. There was another time we were on the Nile boat cruise, and they were coming in, and maneuvering, and doing different things. Chris Lito was there, so he had his airplane knowledge, and we had people with nice vision,

[80:06] and it was so, so cool. So that was my first time really seeing that many orbs at one time, and the maneuvers, and the flying, and it was so cool. But visiting sites that you got to see hieroglyphics that were probably at least three quarters of the size of the manor behind me, I don't know how much is in, but bigger than I am, of giant humans levitating, sending energy that's levitation build to build the temples. Wow, are you serious? And it's a whole new story. It's so great, and then it'll have the tiny normal-sized humans, and the giant, potentially Anunnaki. I'm not saying who it is, but that's of course a theory. Makes sense, all right. And then, so what it is, they have this, it looks like a string of pearls, it's the energy, whatever, and it'll have the blocks being moved, and then the next image, or the next story in the hieroglyphs is the temple being built.

[81:14] What? Why isn't that? Wait, and then there's, I think it was at Vindhara, there's a very small, you got to, you can't take a backpack with you, the holes are so small, you have to shoot down in it, and it's very hot and humid, it's a very narrow hallway that you probably can't even spread your arms out, and it has, I'll call it the blueprint of life. There are these bulbs, and the blue lotus flower is like life and consciousness, and at the base of these bulbs is the blue lotus, and there's humans under it, and then there's also giant people, and then there's lizard people, lizard even has a tail, there's monkey-looking people, mermaid, all kinds of stuff, and this bulb has a snake through it, which is energy, and so you're looking at this, and you're just, and there's different,

[82:16] technology almost looks like, not quite a Faraday cage thing, but it's something like Tesla would have invented, and I can't think of the word right now, but there's different hieroglyphs depicting this technology, this energy generators that they had, and how did we forget all this? How did we forget that we were with lizard people, and then they had blue people in hieroglyphs, and I had a blue being visit me, so when we're all together, it was a couple of months after I came forward, and I was on NewsNation with Ross, and he had me talk about my blue being, and so everybody's like, she had one of the blue beings, so there was a blue being at Buxar, at Valley of the Kings, it's all over, it's like how did we forget all of this? So yeah, Egypt was amazing. It sounds like it. I definitely need to take it over there, and I will someday soon,

[83:10] but yeah, it's right there for all to see. Why in the world would these people be drawing this stuff, if it wasn't what they were seeing? Just have to find the right Egyptologists, because we were fortunate enough to have one that was more on the spiritual side, and believe in the UFOs, because not all of them teach what I got to learn. In Abydos, there was a room, the ceiling hinged open. It doesn't hinge open now, because they closed it, but the ceiling hinged open, and a spaceship used to come and land there, and there's hieroglyphs on the wall showing what I just saw. There's even a genie, a gem, on a hieroglyph on the wall. There's a Black Hawk helicopter at Abydos, and of course our minds interpret things, but it does very much look like a Black Hawk helicopter, high up on the ceiling, as a symbol.

[84:05] Why would they draw it so high up? It doesn't make sense that it's a craft. And why is this not... Why is this hidden? Why is Egypt saying that it's not here? Yeah, well, Zawi Gwass is... Yeah. Yes. So if it's not in his book, it doesn't exist. There's record, there's evidence. Read my book. It's unbelievable. It goes with everything else, besides your book that you decided what went in it. Nope. Right, exactly right. But Sarah, I know you have to run. Thank you so much for joining us. It was an absolute pleasure. My hand is frozen. Thank you. I'm a mother. Can I give a hug? Absolutely. Thank you so much. It was so nice to meet you, and wish you the best of luck. Yeah, thank you so much. Absolutely. Thank you, Sarah. Have a great rest of contact from the deserts.