Stanton Friedman — "Operation Majestic 12" lecture (Alien Cosmic Expo, 2015)

• Source: Alien Cosmic Expo 2015 Lecture Series, Stanton T. Friedman — "Operation Majestic 12" (~1h11m). https://youtu.be/Tb9wuY-fJiM
• Speaker: Stanton T. Friedman (1934–2019), nuclear physicist and ufologist; the first civilian Roswell investigator and the leading defender of the MJ-12 documents' authenticity.
• Transcript pulled 2026-05-31 via YouTube caption API. Lightly auto-formatted.
• Why it matters: Friedman's MJ-12 defense in his own words — the reasoning behind the split-track flaw the credibility assessment turns on (serious on Roswell, credulous on MJ-12). Captures his "where does the UFO data go," Bolender-memo, and document-authentication arguments.
• Primary for ../../sources/friedman-roswell-mj12.

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[00:00:02.320] The MJ12 story is isn't over yet because
[00:00:06.000] the government hasn't fessed up to it
[00:00:09.559] yet. And for those of you who wonder
[00:00:11.840] what the heck is MJ12 or Majestic 12 or
[00:00:14.639] Operation Majestic
[00:00:17.640] 12, it's kind of a fascinating story,
[00:00:20.800] but it fills in a
[00:00:22.680] gap. You see, there's a big question.
[00:00:28.560] Where did all the UFO sightings
[00:00:32.600] go that affect national
[00:00:36.200] security? I mean, you all realize that
[00:00:39.079] uh we don't have our own radar
[00:00:42.360] sets. I don't have one. The government
[00:00:45.360] owns the big radar sets in all
[00:00:48.039] countries. Uh the spy satellites, we
[00:00:51.440] don't have our own. The government owns
[00:00:53.360] those. The aircraft with instrumentation
[00:00:56.399] that go up after
[00:00:58.840] UFOs, they belong to the government. The
[00:01:02.320] cameras, the instruments for monitoring
[00:01:05.199] the electromagnetic signatures of flying
[00:01:07.560] vehicles. And whether it's Russian or
[00:01:10.080] Chinese or alien, doesn't matter. It's
[00:01:12.640] the same technical
[00:01:14.200] problem. Get an instrument or a camera
[00:01:16.640] or whatever close enough to get some
[00:01:18.600] information. Where does all that data
[00:01:20.640] go?
[00:01:22.400] I visited Project Blue Book many times
[00:01:24.960] back in the 60s. Uh I never saw any of
[00:01:28.799] that
[00:01:30.200] data. And
[00:01:33.479] so the resolution of this
[00:01:38.200] problem hypothetically has got to be
[00:01:40.479] someplace where all this stuff that can
[00:01:42.720] affect national security goes. And that
[00:01:46.240] became solidified that that
[00:01:49.720] notion back about
[00:01:53.640] 1979 when a memo written by Air Force
[00:01:57.360] General Carol Bolander was
[00:02:00.920] released. And in it he had been asked,
[00:02:04.880] as I found out later when talking to
[00:02:06.640] him, he had been
[00:02:08.119] asked by the Air Force, what should we
[00:02:11.280] do about Project Blue Book?
[00:02:14.879] The University of Colorado study said,
[00:02:16.879] "Clow it. It's not doing anything for
[00:02:18.720] national security or technology or
[00:02:21.760] anything." And I agree with
[00:02:23.560] that. So, General Bolander, an engineer,
[00:02:28.000] nothing to do with Blue
[00:02:30.040] Book, wrote a memo, which we didn't see
[00:02:32.640] until 10 years later. This is in 1969.
[00:02:36.239] He wrote the memo and it resulted in the
[00:02:38.480] closure of project blue
[00:02:40.519] book which you'll still get here hear
[00:02:43.599] about from the air force. That's the
[00:02:45.120] group that was concerned with UFOs and
[00:02:47.360] nothing to it. No national security
[00:02:50.040] concerns nothing to worry about.
[00:02:53.840] Bolander
[00:02:55.319] said, simple
[00:02:57.239] words, reports of UFOs which could
[00:03:00.480] affect national
[00:03:03.720] security are made in accordance with
[00:03:06.360] Joint Army Navy Air Force
[00:03:08.720] Publication 146 or Air Force Manual
[00:03:13.959] 55-11 and are not part of the Blue Book
[00:03:20.519] system. That's an extraordinary claim.
[00:03:24.480] Every year the Air Force says, "We only
[00:03:26.319] had Project Blue Book. Forget about it.
[00:03:28.400] No national security concerns." He said
[00:03:31.760] two paragraphs later, "If we close
[00:03:34.400] Project Blue Book, the public won't have
[00:03:36.400] a place to report UFO sightings.
[00:03:38.799] However, as previously noted, reports
[00:03:42.560] which could affect national
[00:03:45.799] security will continue to be
[00:03:48.080] investigated using the procedures
[00:03:50.159] designed for that purpose."
[00:03:52.720] So, the question is, what happened to
[00:03:54.720] those reports? They're the only ones I'm
[00:03:57.840] interested in. I mean, a light going by
[00:04:00.319] in the sky is no big deal. If it could
[00:04:03.120] affect national security, you know,
[00:04:04.720] maybe it was chased by an airplane.
[00:04:06.159] Maybe it shot down a jet that was trying
[00:04:07.760] to shoot it down. Who knows? They're the
[00:04:10.480] ones that I want to find out
[00:04:14.040] about. Didn't see it until
[00:04:16.919] 79. I decided I wanted to find out more.
[00:04:19.840] So, I located General Bolander. He was
[00:04:22.479] still alive
[00:04:24.120] then. And I said, "It sounds to me," I
[00:04:26.960] gave him some background and stuff that
[00:04:28.400] I'd had a security clearance for 14
[00:04:30.240] years
[00:04:31.160] and read his
[00:04:33.240] memo. And I said, "It sounds to me like
[00:04:35.759] you're saying there are two separate
[00:04:37.120] channels of
[00:04:38.759] information. One for the reports that
[00:04:40.960] could affect national
[00:04:42.680] security." And I gave him an example.
[00:04:45.440] Somebody had just before that told
[00:04:47.800] me about a saucer going down the runway
[00:04:50.639] of a strategic air command base where
[00:04:52.400] nuclear weapons were
[00:04:54.280] stored. That's national security. If
[00:04:56.720] somebody is where they're not supposed
[00:04:58.000] to be where we've got nuclear
[00:05:00.120] weapons or conventional stuff, you know,
[00:05:03.360] if my wife and I go out at the end of
[00:05:04.800] the driveway and see a saucer fly by, no
[00:05:06.800] big deal. Happens all the time. He
[00:05:09.199] agreed with me. two separate channels of
[00:05:12.440] information for communication about
[00:05:16.440] UFOs.
[00:05:17.960] Now, let's add into the picture
[00:05:20.720] something
[00:05:22.039] else. All the sources of good solid data
[00:05:25.520] belong to the
[00:05:26.759] government. The radar sets, the
[00:05:28.960] aircraft, all this sort of
[00:05:31.400] stuff. So, where the hell is the stuff
[00:05:35.320] going? I've been to Blue Book many
[00:05:37.440] times. I never saw that stuff which
[00:05:39.600] could affect national security. Now fast
[00:05:44.520] forward at the end of 1984 my colleague
[00:05:48.000] Jamie Chandere in
[00:05:49.800] California had worked with him and Bill
[00:05:52.520] Moore especially with Bill on Roswell.
[00:05:56.080] I'm the original civilian investigator
[00:05:58.000] about the Roswell incident starting in
[00:05:59.919] 1978. Bill and I located 62 people
[00:06:03.360] within the next year and a half who were
[00:06:06.400] connected with the
[00:06:08.600] story. The first book came out in
[00:06:11.560] 1980. By 1986, we had found 92 people on
[00:06:16.319] Roswell. I made a lifetime and next week
[00:06:18.720] I'll be in Roswell, New
[00:06:21.240] Mexico. But Jamie got a roll of film in
[00:06:23.840] the
[00:06:25.400] mail on which were two sets of eight
[00:06:28.639] negatives each 35 millimeter. You
[00:06:30.880] remember film, you know, before this
[00:06:33.039] digital world. Uh you gota negatives and
[00:06:36.319] you got to make prints and stuff like
[00:06:38.199] that.
[00:06:40.360] Uh and those
[00:06:42.840] pages had a copy of a briefing report
[00:06:46.240] for President Elect
[00:06:49.080] Eisenhower about Operation Majestic
[00:06:53.400] 12. And what it says in there, several
[00:06:56.240] pages, is that uh he was going to be
[00:06:59.759] briefed before he became
[00:07:02.840] president. It said in there that
[00:07:04.880] President Truman established a group
[00:07:06.400] called Operation Majestic 12 accountable
[00:07:08.400] only to the president, mind
[00:07:10.599] you, and named the members of the group.
[00:07:13.199] And it went over the history of Kenneth
[00:07:14.960] Arnold's famous sighting that Roswell
[00:07:18.000] happened. Bodies were found.
[00:07:23.280] an incredible statement, bunch of
[00:07:25.400] statements. And the question was, are
[00:07:27.520] the documents genuine or not? There's a
[00:07:29.599] the letter from Truman to Secretary
[00:07:31.599] Forestall from 1947, this briefing
[00:07:34.639] document, a list of attachments which
[00:07:36.960] aren't
[00:07:38.199] there. And it named the members of the
[00:07:40.759] group. Uh they were all
[00:07:43.240] dead. Very convenient, you might say.
[00:07:46.000] There's no way to interrogate them.
[00:07:49.440] But realize if the document is
[00:07:53.240] genuine, whoever sent that was violating
[00:07:57.360] the
[00:07:58.199] law. It is against the law to transmit
[00:08:01.120] classified information to somebody who
[00:08:04.160] doesn't have an appropriate clearance
[00:08:06.000] and need to
[00:08:07.720] know. That's a violation of the
[00:08:11.960] law. So people say, why didn't the guy
[00:08:14.479] who put it together step forward?
[00:08:16.240] Because he'd have to admit he was
[00:08:17.440] violating the law.
[00:08:21.599] How do you prove a document is genuine?
[00:08:23.440] Well, you can look at the people named
[00:08:25.039] to be part of this group and everything
[00:08:26.800] was fine. I'll show you some of that.
[00:08:29.599] But it's been an intensive effort over a
[00:08:33.200] long period of
[00:08:34.599] time to try to check. I operate under
[00:08:38.479] the basic rule have facts in hand before
[00:08:41.039] putting mouth in gear. That's not an
[00:08:43.599] unpopular viewpoint. You're not supposed
[00:08:45.519] to. I mean, you just repeat what you
[00:08:47.760] think is true, and that's good enough.
[00:08:49.839] And if you see it on YouTube, you know
[00:08:51.600] it's true,
[00:08:53.959] right? Oh,
[00:08:55.959] boy. I get people who tell me that. I
[00:08:59.519] saw it on YouTube. It was on the
[00:09:01.560] internet. Doesn't that make it true? No.
[00:09:04.880] I hate to tell you that, but it doesn't.
[00:09:07.360] So, okay, we'll get on with the story,
[00:09:09.519] but Majestic 12 is the name of this
[00:09:12.800] group, which name undoubtedly has been
[00:09:14.880] changed because as soon as the name of a
[00:09:17.120] classified project, highly classified
[00:09:19.760] project gets released, it's going to be
[00:09:23.160] changed. I've been involved in programs
[00:09:25.279] where we had to change the names we use
[00:09:26.880] for things because they got out. Can't
[00:09:29.760] use that code word anymore. People know
[00:09:32.160] what it means, you know, that sort of
[00:09:33.880] thing. So, okay.
[00:09:37.760] Let's get
[00:09:40.040] started. This is only my third lecture.
[00:09:42.640] I'm finally learning how to use this
[00:09:44.000] darn
[00:09:46.360] thing. There's the first page of the
[00:09:48.800] briefing
[00:09:50.839] document. See all that top secret magic?
[00:09:54.240] Maj I say
[00:09:56.720] uh eyes
[00:09:58.680] only. Now you should understand that
[00:10:01.519] there are several levels of security.
[00:10:03.519] There's confidential, there's there's
[00:10:05.440] restricted, there's confidential,
[00:10:07.360] there's secret, there's top secret,
[00:10:09.200] there's top secret code
[00:10:13.320] word. Magic is the code word here. And
[00:10:17.120] there movie rights. It's going to be a
[00:10:18.959] movie, we hope, about magic men,
[00:10:23.600] uh myself and Don Schmidt and so forth.
[00:10:25.519] But anyway,
[00:10:28.600] uh we get this document
[00:10:33.120] Here's the list of people who are on
[00:10:36.240] this Majestic 12
[00:10:38.440] committee
[00:10:40.040] and a little easier to
[00:10:42.760] read. Uh for those of you who are old
[00:10:45.519] enough and know about US history, some
[00:10:48.480] of these names will be
[00:10:50.360] familiar. Uh Hillen Coder, for example,
[00:10:54.000] was the director of Central Intelligence
[00:10:55.839] Agency at the time. Dr. Vanavar Bush was
[00:10:59.480] the scientific adviser to Roosevelt.
[00:11:02.399] That wasn't his title, but and to
[00:11:04.760] Truman. He ran about 80 different
[00:11:08.000] high-tech development programs,
[00:11:10.560] including the development of the atomic
[00:11:12.240] bomb, radar, proximity fuse, all this
[00:11:15.760] kind of stuff. He was the go-to guy. And
[00:11:19.519] he was the father of
[00:11:20.480] compartmentalization.
[00:11:22.560] Just because you're in the same building
[00:11:24.000] with somebody who's working on a highly
[00:11:25.680] classified project at your level of
[00:11:28.200] security, you have to have a need to
[00:11:30.079] know before you can find out what he's
[00:11:33.480] doing. That's the key thing. Security
[00:11:36.959] level and need to know because if you
[00:11:40.399] got a spy, you don't want him to have
[00:11:42.000] access to everything.
[00:11:44.800] And I hate to admit this, but there have
[00:11:46.720] been
[00:11:47.720] spies occasionally, like right in the
[00:11:50.640] middle of the development of the atomic
[00:11:52.079] bomb, for
[00:11:53.079] example. And we tend to forget the
[00:11:55.600] United States
[00:11:58.440] executed Ethel and her husband
[00:12:03.320] Rosenberg for being spies. Executed a
[00:12:07.040] woman. The first time that had happened
[00:12:08.880] in a long
[00:12:10.279] time. That was in the 50s.
[00:12:13.680] we forget uh being spies is taken
[00:12:17.680] seriously by the government finding
[00:12:20.160] them. Okay. Now, I want to call your
[00:12:23.200] attention to the third name up from the
[00:12:25.279] bottom, Dr. Donald
[00:12:27.560] Mensel. You see, when we got this
[00:12:29.680] document, we looked it over. Do we want
[00:12:31.200] to say anything publicly? He'll know. We
[00:12:34.800] don't know whether it's legitimate or
[00:12:36.079] not. And especially with Dr. Mensel's
[00:12:39.120] name on
[00:12:40.519] there because he was a UFO debunker, the
[00:12:44.320] best known in the world. Harvard
[00:12:46.800] University professor of astronomy wrote
[00:12:49.720] three UFO debunking
[00:12:53.399] books. Two things about Mensel. First of
[00:12:56.480] all, all these other guys had high level
[00:12:58.399] security clearances. That was perfectly
[00:13:00.079] obvious if you spent 10 minutes looking
[00:13:01.920] at what they were doing and had been
[00:13:04.079] doing.
[00:13:07.200] You sure as heck don't need a security
[00:13:09.040] clearance to teach astronomy at
[00:13:13.320] Harvard. And secondly, he's a total
[00:13:15.600] debunker. How could he be part of such a
[00:13:17.600] committee when the document talks about
[00:13:19.200] a crash saucer at Roswell, alien
[00:13:22.839] bodies? Oh, we can't go public with
[00:13:26.360] this.
[00:13:28.040] So, I dug in. All these guys were
[00:13:31.720] dead. Couldn't ask them. They wouldn't
[00:13:34.079] tell you the truth anyway if this was
[00:13:36.000] true.
[00:13:37.279] and uh got in touch with Harvard, found
[00:13:40.399] out Mensel's papers were
[00:13:42.279] theirs. Uh had to get three different
[00:13:45.200] people to agree that it was okay for me
[00:13:46.959] to look at them. Went up there, got a
[00:13:49.279] grant from the fund for UFO research and
[00:13:51.519] was totally shocked by what I found
[00:13:53.120] because I didn't like him while he was
[00:13:54.399] alive. I had one runin with him and he I
[00:13:58.639] invited him to a lecture I was giving at
[00:14:00.399] Harvard. I gave him my name. Oh, I know
[00:14:02.240] who you are. I know all about you. Oh,
[00:14:04.720] you saw my congressional testimony next
[00:14:06.560] to
[00:14:08.040] yours. You can't be a scientist and
[00:14:10.480] believe in flying saucers, he said. At
[00:14:13.680] which I
[00:14:15.079] laughed. He got angry, started to rant.
[00:14:17.760] I said, Dr. Mensel, I didn't call to
[00:14:19.440] argue with you. I called out of courtesy
[00:14:22.240] to invite you to my lecture because I
[00:14:23.760] don't know if it was for an engineering
[00:14:25.959] society whether they had publicized my
[00:14:29.600] program.
[00:14:32.160] Well, of course I won't be there. And I
[00:14:34.320] told the story that night, incidentally,
[00:14:36.560] so I was not disposed to think of him
[00:14:38.639] very kindly. Such a stupid thing. You
[00:14:40.720] can't be a scientist and believe in
[00:14:42.079] flying saucers. Okay. I get up to
[00:14:46.279] Harvard
[00:14:47.959] and I had looked at his com his
[00:14:51.279] correspondence files someplace else and
[00:14:53.440] didn't see anything
[00:14:54.680] exciting. But there's a JFK
[00:14:57.720] file, John F. Kennedy.
[00:15:01.040] I looked at
[00:15:02.279] that and was totally shocked by what I
[00:15:05.040] found because here's Donald Mensel
[00:15:07.639] telling President
[00:15:09.639] Kennedy he had worked to help elect him
[00:15:13.360] scientist for Kennedy. There's one area
[00:15:16.240] where I may be able to help you
[00:15:18.839] especially and that's with regard to the
[00:15:21.120] National Security
[00:15:24.040] Agency. Mr. Snowden's outfit you know
[00:15:26.560] that does all the secrecy stuff. no such
[00:15:28.720] agency, never says anything, all that
[00:15:31.320] stuff. I've had a longer continuous
[00:15:33.760] association with them, almost 30 years,
[00:15:35.920] than anybody in the country with them
[00:15:37.519] and their Navy predecessors. What? Where
[00:15:41.120] did that come from? I've never seen
[00:15:43.760] anything like that. Two whole issues of
[00:15:47.839] Sky and Telescope magazine were devoted
[00:15:50.560] to Donald Mensel upon his death and his
[00:15:54.800] 100th anniversary of his birth. not a
[00:15:57.199] word about this postw World War II
[00:15:59.279] highly classified material. Turned out
[00:16:02.160] he was one of the world's top
[00:16:04.040] cryptologists, codereakers, code makers.
[00:16:08.079] It goes on and on and on.
[00:16:10.440] But I was totally shocked. And when I
[00:16:13.600] wrote an article about this, half the
[00:16:15.120] people in theology said, "You got to be
[00:16:16.639] crazy, Stan. He couldn't lead a double
[00:16:19.320] life." Well, I hate to tell you this,
[00:16:21.519] but every good spy leads a double life.
[00:16:24.880] Remember there were three guys in
[00:16:26.800] England, Burgess, Philby, and
[00:16:29.320] Mlan who were Russian spies, but they
[00:16:31.839] were working for British
[00:16:35.160] intelligence. You got to be careful when
[00:16:37.199] you do that so that nobody can trace
[00:16:38.800] back anything to you. So, it has
[00:16:41.279] happened
[00:16:42.120] before.
[00:16:43.639] Anyway, those findings certainly
[00:16:46.000] encouraged me to dig into things and
[00:16:49.279] these were outstanding people and I
[00:16:51.199] talked to the families of all of them
[00:16:55.639] except one who isn't named who replaced
[00:16:58.399] Forestall after Forest Doll's death.
[00:17:00.320] That's what that aster means next to
[00:17:03.480] him. And none of them knew anything, but
[00:17:06.880] at least I had talked to families to get
[00:17:08.720] a handle on
[00:17:11.400] it. Here are all these people
[00:17:15.760] uh you can see military
[00:17:19.799] guys. Now the discussion went on with
[00:17:24.319] vigorous attacks from the
[00:17:26.199] debunkers even within
[00:17:29.160] eupfology. All kinds of crazy
[00:17:33.400] arguments. I'll just mention one.
[00:17:36.240] Somebody said, "Well, it says Admiral
[00:17:39.520] Hillen Coder, but he was only a rear
[00:17:42.080] admiral. Obviously, the documents are
[00:17:44.120] fraud." They didn't point out that all
[00:17:46.799] the military
[00:17:49.559] ranks, it says general, general,
[00:17:52.200] general, admiral. Those are all generic
[00:17:55.640] ranks. In other words, you use a term
[00:17:58.280] general, whether it's brigadier general,
[00:18:00.640] major general, lieutenant general,
[00:18:02.080] four-star general, admiral. There's rear
[00:18:06.440] admiral, there's another rank in there.
[00:18:09.919] Uh so the fact that he's
[00:18:13.559] called admiral doesn't mean the
[00:18:16.080] documents are fraud. It meant the person
[00:18:17.760] was using a standard technique and
[00:18:20.960] President Eisenhower staff secretary
[00:18:23.200] used that technique generic ranks for
[00:18:25.360] military guys meeting with the president
[00:18:28.080] including himself when he listed
[00:18:30.320] attendees at a meeting.
[00:18:33.039] General good
[00:18:35.240] pastor signed it brigadier general good
[00:18:38.799] pastor I talked to two
[00:18:41.720] archavists standard practice then I said
[00:18:44.320] does it bother you that they use generic
[00:18:46.039] ranks no that's Ike did he mentioned one
[00:18:50.080] of his books I dug it out
[00:18:52.280] yeah general when the guy wasn't a
[00:18:55.400] fourstar so that is
[00:18:58.120] typical of the attacks that are made
[00:19:01.039] without checking
[00:19:03.280] not having facts in hand before putting
[00:19:05.440] mouth in gear. We'll go through some of
[00:19:08.480] those. Anyway, it's an impressive cast
[00:19:10.720] of
[00:19:16.360] characters. This goes on. It talks about
[00:19:18.640] Kenneth Arnold's sighting. It talks
[00:19:20.240] about Roswell. Not much practice was
[00:19:22.960] made in finding things out until a
[00:19:24.640] rancher recovered wreckage at
[00:19:26.919] Roswell. Gives the date. A secret
[00:19:29.679] operation was begun on 07 July
[00:19:33.559] 1947 to find out about what we call the
[00:19:36.880] Roswell incident. Well, I'm the original
[00:19:39.840] civilian investigator of the Roswell
[00:19:42.039] incident and they said stuff was started
[00:19:45.360] by General
[00:19:46.600] Twining and I got his flight log, got
[00:19:49.520] his pilot's flight log and sure enough
[00:19:52.799] he did go to New Mexico in 1947, July
[00:19:56.559] 7th. It says that's when the
[00:19:58.799] investigation was
[00:20:00.520] begun. Uh I talked to his let's see
[00:20:04.559] twining. I talked to his daughter, his
[00:20:09.640] sons.
[00:20:11.240] Uh the daughter was very helpful to me.
[00:20:15.320] Uh anyway, you go through the
[00:20:18.919] document and it makes fascinating
[00:20:21.760] reading. It's in my book, which I'm sold
[00:20:23.679] out of. It's in my MJ12 report, which
[00:20:26.400] there are a few left, but you can get
[00:20:28.000] them. Go to the
[00:20:29.960] internet,
[00:20:32.840] satinfreedman.com. I live in
[00:20:34.400] Frederickton. It's
[00:20:37.880] easy. There's a list of attachments.
[00:20:40.240] Boy, do I wish I had them. We
[00:20:44.280] don't. There's an exciting one.
[00:20:46.320] Attachment
[00:20:47.559] A. Here's the letter from Truman. And
[00:20:51.360] this illustrates
[00:20:53.480] the the details you have to check
[00:20:56.679] on. You'll notice if you look carefully,
[00:20:59.360] I can't use a pointer here because I
[00:21:01.520] can't see the screen, but um and if I
[00:21:03.760] point at this thing, you won't see the
[00:21:05.280] pointing up
[00:21:06.919] there. Uh you notice the 24, 1947 period
[00:21:11.280] up at the
[00:21:12.679] top. And it's offset a bit. If you draw
[00:21:16.000] a straight line under
[00:21:17.640] September, the 24 1947 period doesn't
[00:21:22.000] it's not straight. Now, there are a
[00:21:24.480] couple of special things there. You'll
[00:21:25.679] notice the period at the end of the
[00:21:27.960] date. Dr. Bush's office always used a
[00:21:31.520] period at the end of the date, and he's
[00:21:33.039] measured in this mentioned in this memo.
[00:21:38.840] Secondly, that turns out to be the only
[00:21:41.600] date in an eight-month period when
[00:21:45.400] Truman and Vanavar
[00:21:48.120] Bush and Secretary Forest all met
[00:21:51.640] together. Now, how did the hoaxer,
[00:21:54.240] that's the answer, of course, a hoaxer
[00:21:56.159] did
[00:21:57.240] this. How did he know to use that
[00:22:00.360] date? I checked with the Truman Library.
[00:22:03.039] It was the only date that the three met
[00:22:05.000] together. Anybody else ever ask you
[00:22:07.360] about that?
[00:22:10.039] No. They threw a dart at a dart at a
[00:22:12.720] calendar, you know, picked a date. Well,
[00:22:15.120] it doesn't work. Bush even made notes
[00:22:17.760] after the
[00:22:19.159] meeting.
[00:22:22.520] Uh, notice
[00:22:25.400] the Whoops. Supposed to be a signature
[00:22:29.000] there. Notice Harry Truman's signature.
[00:22:31.679] I've had people say, "That's too much
[00:22:33.039] like Harry Truman's signature."
[00:22:35.360] What do you expect it to be like? For
[00:22:37.200] goodness
[00:22:39.159] sakes, no two signatures are alike.
[00:22:41.840] Somebody said they referred to a
[00:22:43.760] document
[00:22:45.000] supposedly in the
[00:22:49.000] 60s. The document he was referring to
[00:22:51.520] was actually written years ago, long
[00:22:55.200] before Xerox machines.
[00:22:59.520] Truman actually told his sister that
[00:23:03.120] after his incredible victory in 1948,
[00:23:05.840] you remember the headline of the Chicago
[00:23:07.520] paper, Dwey beats
[00:23:09.880] Truman. Nope, didn't happen. Truman bet
[00:23:13.280] beat
[00:23:14.200] Dwey. But he was sending thank you
[00:23:17.159] notes hundreds an hour. Don't tell me
[00:23:20.960] none of those had the same signature on
[00:23:23.440] them. You can have identical signatures,
[00:23:26.000] said the expert on signatures, only not
[00:23:39.880] consecutively. There's the
[00:23:42.919] date. You can see
[00:23:45.240] what special
[00:23:47.799] date the date after the period.
[00:23:54.559] two different typewriters used. Well, I
[00:23:56.799] talked to somebody. I managed to locate
[00:23:58.720] somebody thanks to the Truman Library
[00:24:00.240] named George
[00:24:02.120] Elsie who worked for Truman the entire
[00:24:05.600] time he was in the White House. And I
[00:24:08.240] asked if I could send him the documents
[00:24:09.760] and get his opinion on them and then
[00:24:11.600] call him. And I did that. And just
[00:24:13.760] before I called him, I suddenly
[00:24:15.200] realized, oh, if he knows anything, he
[00:24:17.679] can't tell me. So, I got to ask my
[00:24:20.159] questions carefully.
[00:24:23.480] Not are the documents genuine. Did you
[00:24:26.559] see any reason to think the documents
[00:24:28.400] were fraudulent? He could answer that. I
[00:24:31.679] asked him a lot of questions. He was
[00:24:33.360] very helpful. He saw no reason to say
[00:24:35.919] the documents were fraudulent. You
[00:24:37.600] haven't seen a couple of other ones, but
[00:24:39.440] uh we'll say them.
[00:24:42.039] Uh I asked about this business
[00:24:45.240] of being in a typewriter more than two
[00:24:48.000] different typewriters.
[00:24:50.480] It happened often. You don't put the
[00:24:52.320] date part on until you're absolutely
[00:24:55.279] sure it's the right day. In other words,
[00:24:57.200] you prepare a memo for Truman signature,
[00:25:00.559] but you don't put in the typewriter to
[00:25:02.000] give the date until whenever what you're
[00:25:04.720] talking about happens because that's a
[00:25:07.760] record, an official record. And so, you
[00:25:10.000] better put the right date on it. And so
[00:25:12.240] I had several examples that I found
[00:25:16.440] of the date being partially done with a
[00:25:20.240] different typewriter, the numbers versus
[00:25:22.320] the
[00:25:23.159] words. So rather than proving fraud, it
[00:25:26.159] doesn't prove
[00:25:28.440] fraud.
[00:25:32.279] Uh now here's a very controversial
[00:25:36.200] one. Um, my colleagues got some
[00:25:39.440] postcards, crazy postcards, talking
[00:25:41.600] about going to Washington and other
[00:25:44.120] words. And I found out that they were
[00:25:46.880] reviewing at the Library of Congress
[00:25:48.559] manuscript
[00:25:50.120] division Air Force
[00:25:53.320] headquarters
[00:25:55.000] files for the period in question. When
[00:25:58.480] they finally finished decl
[00:26:00.320] classification
[00:26:02.279] reviewing, uh, I told Jamie and Bill
[00:26:06.240] they went to
[00:26:07.480] Washington, Library of Congress,
[00:26:09.279] manuscript division. They'd gotten a
[00:26:11.200] postcard that said from
[00:26:13.480] box 176, something like that,
[00:26:19.880] uh, a place in New
[00:26:22.760] Zealand. Crazy place.
[00:26:26.640] But when they got there, I had been told
[00:26:29.919] that they were declassifying the Air
[00:26:32.400] Force headquarters files. They went to
[00:26:35.080] those and they found this document
[00:26:38.400] between pages was folded up as if it had
[00:26:42.000] been in somebody's
[00:26:44.520] pocket and it was in box
[00:26:48.919] 176, which is quite unexpected. Anyway,
[00:26:53.120] it's just a brief
[00:26:54.600] note, but it says NSC, National Security
[00:26:58.720] Council,
[00:27:01.480] MJ12, Special Studies
[00:27:04.200] Project, and the name on it is Robert
[00:27:07.720] Cutler. He was
[00:27:09.960] Ike's special assistant to the president
[00:27:12.640] for national security. And he's just
[00:27:15.360] telling General Twining that a meeting
[00:27:17.520] will take place during an already
[00:27:19.039] scheduled meeting instead of after it as
[00:27:24.120] originally instructed to him and Twining
[00:27:28.159] was chief of staff. So you got to let
[00:27:30.880] him know how his time is being spent.
[00:27:32.559] The president seek telling him. The only
[00:27:35.840] trouble is that Robert Cutler was out of
[00:27:38.159] the country. We found out
[00:27:39.960] later. How could he send such a memo?
[00:27:44.559] Well, it turns out he left instructions
[00:27:46.279] behind. Keep things moving out of my
[00:27:49.240] inbox to a guy named James Lei,
[00:27:51.919] executive secretary of the National
[00:27:54.240] Security
[00:27:55.559] Council, and somebody
[00:27:57.799] else. So, I did a lot of checking. It
[00:28:00.159] turns out Lei talked to Eisenhower, met
[00:28:02.720] with Eisenhower that
[00:28:04.279] day, and they had a phone conversation
[00:28:06.799] later in the day. The the Eisenhower
[00:28:08.559] archives has records of all this kind of
[00:28:10.320] stuff.
[00:28:11.919] So when I talked to George
[00:28:14.600] Elsie, I said, "It seems to me that that
[00:28:17.840] memo could have been written by James
[00:28:20.840] Lei." And he said, "Well, of
[00:28:23.720] course." He said, he tells me, I didn't
[00:28:26.240] know it. Lei sat next to Cutler at all
[00:28:28.640] the meetings of the National Security
[00:28:30.000] Council. Each got copies of everything
[00:28:31.600] the other guy did. And he was one of the
[00:28:33.760] guys instructed to keep things moving
[00:28:35.840] out of Cutler's basket. And I found a
[00:28:38.399] letter
[00:28:41.840] from Lei to Cutler while he was
[00:28:45.880] overseas explaining what had happened at
[00:28:48.000] the meeting of the National Security
[00:28:52.120] Council. And when I asked George Elsie,
[00:28:57.159] uh, do you think it's possible that Lei
[00:28:59.679] wrote this memo? He said, of course,
[00:29:02.159] it's just a simple change of
[00:29:04.760] time. They work very closely together.
[00:29:07.200] Well, coming from somebody who was
[00:29:08.679] there, that's important
[00:29:11.799] information. So, I'm satisfied it was
[00:29:16.000] Cutler. Now, you look at the upper right
[00:29:18.000] hand part, and you can't see it on the
[00:29:20.480] Xerox copy, but in the original, there's
[00:29:23.039] a slant red pencil line through the
[00:29:28.520] crazy security marking. Top secret
[00:29:31.880] restricted. Oh, there was another one.
[00:29:34.080] People said, "Oh, no. The government
[00:29:35.919] didn't use top secret restricted. Nobody
[00:29:38.960] used it until years after
[00:29:41.000] this. I'm reading through the general
[00:29:43.760] accounting office accounting. They were
[00:29:46.240] looking for Roswell
[00:29:48.120] documents thanks to Congressman Steven
[00:29:51.240] Schiff. And they visited all kinds of
[00:29:53.840] facilities. They had all kinds of
[00:29:55.159] clearances. And on page
[00:29:57.880] 81, they were visiting a certain
[00:30:00.000] facility with had materials up through
[00:30:01.679] top secret. They didn't find any Roswell
[00:30:03.760] stuff. However, we noted several
[00:30:05.360] instances of the use of top secret
[00:30:08.600] restricted even though we had been told
[00:30:12.399] Majestic 12 in parentheses that it was
[00:30:15.840] not in use at that time. Well, I
[00:30:18.720] immediately called my contact at the
[00:30:21.880] GAO. I need to get copies of those
[00:30:24.919] documents. Stan, they're still
[00:30:27.039] classified. You can't get copies of
[00:30:29.039] them. It's good enough for me that they
[00:30:31.600] said so. So, here's one of
[00:30:34.760] those proves it's a fraud. No
[00:30:38.679] way.
[00:30:41.399] Now, it turns out the type face here for
[00:30:44.799] those of you who remember
[00:30:46.440] typewriters is the large pah
[00:30:49.799] type. Oh no, said Philip class, Mr.
[00:30:53.279] Noisy negativist of the year and decade.
[00:30:56.919] Uh, national security accounts only used
[00:30:59.600] elite type, small elite type. Perhaps
[00:31:02.159] you didn't notice that, Stan. Of course,
[00:31:04.720] I had noticed it. I noticed three
[00:31:06.159] different typewriters for PA
[00:31:09.799] type. I will offer you $100 each for
[00:31:13.520] every genuine
[00:31:16.679] memo done in the same size and style
[00:31:19.919] type and meeting certain qualifications.
[00:31:22.320] He had several different things that
[00:31:23.840] were required within the next 60 days,
[00:31:26.720] $100 each up to a maximum of 10.
[00:31:30.159] Well, I went to my
[00:31:31.880] files. I had loads of copies of
[00:31:35.080] documents and I pulled out 20 done in
[00:31:37.840] pica type. They didn't all meet his
[00:31:40.159] criteria. I knew that, but I was toying
[00:31:43.039] teasing him, if you will. I sent he
[00:31:45.840] accepted two and thought he had me.
[00:31:48.720] Well, I was going to the Eisner Library.
[00:31:50.399] So, I when I went there, I immediately
[00:31:52.480] picked out 14 that met all his criteria.
[00:31:55.039] Sent him copies in an invoice for
[00:31:57.360] $1,000.
[00:31:59.679] and he paid
[00:32:03.960] me. Wait a minute. Supposed to be a copy
[00:32:06.960] of his check. Well, maybe we'll get
[00:32:09.440] there. He got very angry at when I me
[00:32:11.919] when I published a copy of his check in
[00:32:13.679] a report that I wrote. Threatened to sue
[00:32:16.799] me because it says MJ12 research on the
[00:32:22.279] bottom. Okay, here's another memo. Oh,
[00:32:26.240] from Bobby Cutler. And you'll notice
[00:32:28.880] where it's circled down the bottom
[00:32:31.559] slashs slash that means original signed
[00:32:35.399] by. That's another way of keeping track
[00:32:38.240] of who wrote
[00:32:39.640] what. And it's a top secret
[00:32:43.240] document
[00:32:45.640] and something else to compare
[00:32:48.679] to. There's the original and that slant
[00:32:52.399] red pencil mark. When I was at the
[00:32:55.039] Eisenhower Library, I asked somebody
[00:32:56.799] because I saw some other indications
[00:32:58.799] like
[00:32:59.880] that. What does that mean? He says,
[00:33:02.159] 'Well, that's standard practice. When
[00:33:04.799] we're going to declassify something, we
[00:33:06.399] put a slant red pencil mark through the
[00:33:08.240] security
[00:33:09.960] marking. I didn't know that, and I've
[00:33:12.480] had lots of visits to archives. Nobody
[00:33:15.440] else knew it either. But how did the
[00:33:17.120] hoaxer know
[00:33:19.159] it? That makes it legitimate, not phony.
[00:33:22.960] Uh, incidentally, there's a watermark on
[00:33:25.200] this
[00:33:26.600] paper.
[00:33:28.279] Uh, when you hold it up to the light,
[00:33:30.480] you can see it. And we found the company
[00:33:33.120] that made the paper. There's another
[00:33:35.600] place. I was told that all
[00:33:38.760] of
[00:33:41.399] Cutler's carbon copies, if you
[00:33:44.440] will, are done on this kind of
[00:33:47.720] paper, certain watermark. Well, when I
[00:33:50.720] was at the library, I pointed out
[00:33:52.000] several examples of ones
[00:33:53.880] that weren't done on that kind of
[00:33:56.760] paper. We found a company that made it.
[00:33:59.440] They made the government bought lots of
[00:34:01.880] it.
[00:34:03.640] Uh, so again, it
[00:34:09.079] works. There's that, believe it or not,
[00:34:12.079] is me on the right. This is a long time
[00:34:13.839] ago,
[00:34:16.280] 1985. and Jamie in the middle and Bill
[00:34:18.960] Moore on the
[00:34:20.440] left. Some of us have gotten a little
[00:34:22.480] older since
[00:34:27.560] then. Other
[00:34:29.879] documents. I've got to go through these
[00:34:31.919] quickly. I realize I'm taking too much
[00:34:33.760] time here,
[00:34:35.720] but Oh, there's the letter about
[00:34:43.480] um from the Eisenhower Library.
[00:34:47.440] Uh, keep things moving out of my in
[00:34:50.480] basket. It
[00:34:52.200] says there's Bobby
[00:34:55.879] Cutler, there's James
[00:34:59.480] Lei, and there's George Elsie on the
[00:35:02.240] right. And on the left, you know, in the
[00:35:05.160] picture, he was with Truman when he went
[00:35:07.760] to the Potam
[00:35:09.480] conference, proving he was a high
[00:35:11.599] official in the government. That is, he
[00:35:13.440] had access to the president every day.
[00:35:23.200] And so uh LC said of course Lelay would
[00:35:27.119] have written the
[00:35:28.520] memo. There's Dr. Donald
[00:35:33.240] Mensel. And this is the letter from the
[00:35:35.680] attorney
[00:35:36.760] to Vanavar
[00:35:39.480] Bush about
[00:35:41.640] Mensel almost losing his security
[00:35:44.000] clearance which nobody knew he
[00:35:53.720] had. Everybody told me Menel couldn't
[00:35:56.160] have been a part of the group.
[00:36:00.240] There's even a recent article about his
[00:36:02.160] contributions to
[00:36:06.359] cryptologology. Uh the guy led a double
[00:36:09.000] life. More power to him. I developed a
[00:36:12.000] lot of respect for him. Major
[00:36:13.599] contributions to American
[00:36:17.240] security. Even though he was lying
[00:36:19.359] through his teeth about flying
[00:36:22.280] saucers. Sometimes you got to do that.
[00:36:28.079] There's Ike staff secretary, General
[00:36:30.079] Goodpaster, who called himself general
[00:36:32.000] even though he was a brigadier general,
[00:36:34.160] signed Brigadier
[00:36:36.599] General. There's General
[00:36:47.560] Twining. Oh, Twining was supposed to go
[00:36:50.720] someplace
[00:36:51.960] else. Wound up going to New Mexico.
[00:36:57.280] something of great importance had come
[00:36:59.040] up. He was supposed to go out to Seattle
[00:37:02.000] for uh
[00:37:05.560] Boeing. We'll have to make the trip
[00:37:07.520] later on. He
[00:37:10.280] says there's Mr.
[00:37:15.560] Class. This is about the uh type face on
[00:37:19.359] the memo.
[00:37:24.640] He called the
[00:37:25.960] Truman Foresttol memo a letter 11 times
[00:37:29.680] when he was saying what a bad how phony
[00:37:32.160] it
[00:37:33.160] was. It says memorandum on him on
[00:37:38.520] it. There's this check to me for proving
[00:37:41.599] him wrong. But even though his papers
[00:37:45.200] are at the Library of Congress, not the
[00:37:47.040] Library of Congress, the American
[00:37:48.240] Philosophical Society library, there is
[00:37:50.880] no Freriedman file. We corresponded for
[00:37:52.960] 20
[00:37:54.760] years. None of that's in those files. I
[00:37:57.359] don't think he wanted anybody to know.
[00:37:58.960] You notice the
[00:38:00.200] words MJ12 research down the
[00:38:05.480] bottom. He had never been at the
[00:38:08.760] Eisenhower
[00:38:11.240] Library. Remember the basic rules. One
[00:38:13.760] of them is don't bother me with the
[00:38:15.040] facts. My mind's made up. And what the
[00:38:17.280] public doesn't know, I'm not going to
[00:38:18.640] tell them.
[00:38:20.560] He thought he could get away with
[00:38:23.240] it. No
[00:38:28.440] way. There's more about the stuff I've
[00:38:31.200] already talked
[00:38:33.560] about. Oh, there's a line. Your
[00:38:35.760] concurrence in the above change of
[00:38:37.280] arrangements is
[00:38:39.160] assumed. General Twining's pilot. I
[00:38:41.680] managed to locate him through Twining's
[00:38:43.960] daughter. And he gave me a copy of his
[00:38:46.560] pilot's log. And I got Twining's log and
[00:38:50.400] Twining's pilot told me that he often
[00:38:52.400] saw Twining with Benavar Bush, another
[00:38:54.880] member of this team. And that standard
[00:38:57.560] phrasiology, your concurrence is
[00:39:00.079] assumed. That means you don't need to
[00:39:02.599] respond. That saves a lot of classified
[00:39:05.920] letters going back and
[00:39:11.079] forth. Box 189. I said 176. I was wrong.
[00:39:19.520] It says what date they started things
[00:39:21.599] again. I had the pilot's
[00:39:25.079] logs and that's the right date. I could
[00:39:28.960] prove where he went when General Twining
[00:39:31.680] both his and his pilot's pilot
[00:39:36.200] thought. Okay, big picture.
[00:39:41.119] Now, we know there was a lot of stuff
[00:39:42.640] done at Project Blue
[00:39:45.240] Book, even though apparently they
[00:39:47.520] weren't the recipient of the important
[00:39:49.680] stuff, those sightings which could
[00:39:51.599] affect national
[00:39:54.280] security. This is the biggest study ever
[00:39:56.920] done for Project Blue
[00:39:59.480] Book. Well, it's the biggest one we know
[00:40:01.839] about. Let's put it that
[00:40:03.640] way. Special report number
[00:40:07.160] 14. Here's what the Secretary of the Air
[00:40:09.520] Force said. This is in the press release
[00:40:11.920] that accompanied this report. Except a
[00:40:13.920] press release got wide distribution.
[00:40:15.680] Practically nobody got a copy of the
[00:40:17.280] report way back in
[00:40:19.560] 1955. On the basis of this study, we
[00:40:22.320] believe no objects such as those
[00:40:24.480] popularly described as flying sauces
[00:40:26.240] have overflown the United States. I feel
[00:40:29.440] certain that even the unknown 3% could
[00:40:32.640] have been explained as conventional
[00:40:34.160] phenomena or illusions if more complete
[00:40:36.240] observational data had been obtained.
[00:40:38.880] That's the Secretary of the Air Force
[00:40:40.480] said. It appeared in newspapers around
[00:40:42.480] the
[00:40:45.160] world. I happened to find a copy. What
[00:40:48.000] led me to this was I found a copy of it
[00:40:49.920] at the University of California,
[00:40:51.200] Berkeley Library, which had the press
[00:40:52.880] release in it. And I'm looking at the
[00:40:55.960] report. He was lying through his teeth.
[00:40:59.200] I don't like that. I don't like a high
[00:41:01.119] official openly lying. Why do I say he
[00:41:05.200] was lying?
[00:41:09.200] Well, I'll show you the tables in a
[00:41:11.200] minute. There are other people who've
[00:41:13.200] said things that weren't true. My
[00:41:15.200] college classmate Carl Sean said, "The
[00:41:17.680] reliable cases are uninteresting. The
[00:41:20.480] interesting cases are
[00:41:22.040] unreliable." Unfortunately, there are no
[00:41:24.240] cases that are both reliable and
[00:41:26.200] interesting. Carl provided no reference
[00:41:28.640] for that
[00:41:30.599] misinformation. It's totally untrue.
[00:41:36.720] He did more than anybody else to get
[00:41:38.560] people to think about extraterrestrial
[00:41:41.079] intelligence. Refused to look at the UFO
[00:41:46.040] evidence. Here's the categorization.
[00:41:48.319] Remember he said even the unknown
[00:41:50.599] 3%. Look at the bottom line. The
[00:41:53.640] unknowns 21 a
[00:41:57.160] 12%. That's hardly 3%. It's not even
[00:42:00.079] close.
[00:42:02.240] And notice the next to the last line,
[00:42:05.240] insufficient information. And yet the
[00:42:07.680] secretary says when there was enough
[00:42:09.200] data, if there had been enough data,
[00:42:10.720] we'd have identified them all. 9.3% not
[00:42:14.640] enough data by
[00:42:17.960] definition. I call that lying. I don't
[00:42:20.800] like
[00:42:21.880] it. Here's the evaluation by quality.
[00:42:24.720] Carl said
[00:42:26.280] reliable. He didn't look at the data.
[00:42:30.800] The better the quality of the sighting,
[00:42:32.319] the more reliability of the sighting,
[00:42:34.240] the more likely to be
[00:42:39.079] unexplainable. I publish this data in
[00:42:41.599] places where Carl I know had it. My
[00:42:44.319] congressional testimony, for
[00:42:46.119] example. Uh so you got to be
[00:42:49.400] careful because people make
[00:42:52.119] claims without providing supporting
[00:42:54.400] evidence or even a reference to where
[00:42:55.839] you can find the evidence.
[00:42:59.079] Now, I've been challenged by people
[00:43:01.760] telling
[00:43:02.920] me, "Stan, there is no cover up of UFO
[00:43:07.720] data. Government's not holding anything
[00:43:11.240] back." Really, that sounds good. I mean,
[00:43:14.640] admittedly, government people have said
[00:43:16.400] there is no cover up. The facts speak
[00:43:19.680] otherwise.
[00:43:21.359] This is a typical one of many dozens of
[00:43:25.240] CIA top secret umbra
[00:43:28.599] UFO documents by their
[00:43:31.880] designation. You can read uh eight
[00:43:36.200] words, no cover up. And people have said
[00:43:39.520] to me, why don't you just scrape off the
[00:43:41.040] black? You can't. They send you Xerox.
[00:43:44.400] There's nothing underneath it that you
[00:43:46.560] can find.
[00:43:51.040] And then there's the dear old
[00:43:56.680] NSA. 156 top secret umbra UFO documents
[00:44:01.280] from the NSA. All like this one. You can
[00:44:04.079] read one
[00:44:05.240] sentence. Everything else is whited
[00:44:08.280] out. And I had guys tell me their NSA
[00:44:11.280] isn't holding back anymore. I said, "Can
[00:44:13.200] you read what's under the white out?"
[00:44:15.119] Well, no. Well, then they
[00:44:18.040] are. Oh, it's sources and methods
[00:44:20.560] information, Stan. Yeah. 98% sources and
[00:44:23.440] methods and 2% information. Does that
[00:44:25.359] make any sense at all? No, it does not.
[00:44:28.960] And this is all old stuff. How many more
[00:44:31.280] since then? We don't
[00:44:33.000] know. There is a cover
[00:44:37.079] up.
[00:44:38.680] Oh, yeah. I had written Air Force
[00:44:41.359] Intelligence and I found out that
[00:44:43.839] somebody else found it that they put out
[00:44:46.400] a letter after I wrote if you get we
[00:44:48.640] expect that you'll be getting a request
[00:44:50.079] from Stanton Friedman. Now they were
[00:44:51.440] nice. They whited out my address
[00:44:54.079] protecting my
[00:44:55.800] privacy that you'll get a request from
[00:44:58.319] him for information about UFOs. And if
[00:45:00.800] such a request is received, do not
[00:45:03.920] repeat, do not respond as required by an
[00:45:07.040] Air Force regulation.
[00:45:09.119] instead send the request
[00:45:11.800] here to
[00:45:14.599] headquarters. So they're telling their
[00:45:16.560] own people, "Forget the regulations. Let
[00:45:19.839] us handle it." And there's no cover
[00:45:28.760] up. Oh, the FBI, the Friendly Brothers
[00:45:33.200] of Investigation. Oh, no. That's not
[00:45:34.960] what it stands for.
[00:45:37.119] Federal Bureau of Investigation. Dr.
[00:45:39.040] Bruce McCabe, an outstanding scientist,
[00:45:41.200] optical
[00:45:42.760] physicist. Uh, he filed one of the early
[00:45:46.640] Freedom of Information Act requests for
[00:45:48.800] UFO stuff of the
[00:45:50.760] FBI. Didn't know what to expect. FBI's
[00:45:54.960] never said they had
[00:45:56.760] anything. and he got 1500 pages much to
[00:46:01.040] his surprise including a number of
[00:46:03.280] letters like this one where Hoover wrote
[00:46:05.200] people it is not now nor has it ever
[00:46:07.200] been the role of the FBI to investigate
[00:46:10.359] UFOs 1500
[00:46:15.240] pages everybody and his brother was
[00:46:17.359] keeping secrets from the American public
[00:46:19.359] and therefore from the Canadian and
[00:46:21.119] other publics as
[00:46:26.680] Well, here's the Bolander memo. Well,
[00:46:29.920] here's a plaque about General
[00:46:33.880] Bolander, commander of certain flight
[00:46:37.280] squadron during World War II. And when I
[00:46:40.240] talked to him, one of the comments he
[00:46:41.520] made, this was in uh 10 years after 69,
[00:46:45.680] but in ' 69 at the time when he wrote
[00:46:47.680] this in October, he said the nice thing
[00:46:50.000] was after we landed on the moon, he
[00:46:51.520] didn't have to work 12-hour days
[00:46:53.560] anymore. He worked on the lunar
[00:46:55.680] excursion module. And we we
[00:46:59.160] forget there was an enormous concern at
[00:47:03.319] NASA and that lunar trip, that first
[00:47:06.880] trip to the moon.
[00:47:09.280] There were a zillion things that could
[00:47:10.720] go
[00:47:12.680] wrong. Fortunately, they
[00:47:15.880] didn't. But part of the concern was the
[00:47:18.720] lunar excursion module. We'd never done
[00:47:20.400] anything like that
[00:47:23.240] before. It was an incredible
[00:47:26.040] accomplishment. One of the reasons I c
[00:47:28.319] say that is because it united the
[00:47:30.000] American people, which is pretty darn
[00:47:31.359] hard to do.
[00:47:34.319] There's a national pride, world pride in
[00:47:37.200] that successful accomplishment. I know
[00:47:39.040] there are still people say we didn't go
[00:47:40.400] to the
[00:47:42.599] moon. Uh the forward to my book, Flying
[00:47:45.440] Saucers and Times is written by Dec Dr.
[00:47:47.680] Edgar Mitchell, a sixman to walk on the
[00:47:50.760] moon. And I believe we did go to the
[00:47:53.640] moon. We also have samples that came
[00:47:56.079] back from
[00:47:57.960] there. How did they get back here if the
[00:48:00.319] astronauts didn't bring them? You know,
[00:48:02.720] interesting question. Anyway, Bolander
[00:48:05.599] was
[00:48:09.319] real. The story of MJ12 is a complicated
[00:48:12.599] one. It's not over. Here's my book, Top
[00:48:16.560] Secret Magic About It. Uh, includes a
[00:48:20.960] lot of the stuff I've talked about. And
[00:48:24.000] I have put together lists of one list of
[00:48:27.359] 12 false claims made by
[00:48:30.440] debunkers and another list of things
[00:48:32.880] that
[00:48:33.720] were we didn't know to be true until
[00:48:36.160] long after we got the
[00:48:38.200] documents.
[00:48:39.880] Coincidence?
[00:48:42.520] Hardly. So it's complicated.
[00:48:48.640] the fierce protector of Majestic
[00:48:57.240] 12. One of the things, you know, there
[00:48:59.520] should have been a signature or an S.
[00:49:02.000] I've mentioned all that stuff. It's
[00:49:04.200] trivia, but you build enough of
[00:49:07.000] it and you have to say, how did anybody
[00:49:10.559] know
[00:49:12.920] that? And I've had people ask me, "Why
[00:49:16.160] didn't the guy who wrote the memo or who
[00:49:19.040] filmed the
[00:49:20.520] memo come forward?" Because he was
[00:49:23.359] breaking the
[00:49:24.839] law. He's going to stand up and say,
[00:49:27.119] "Well, uh, I broke the law. Arrest me
[00:49:29.480] now." You cannot give top secret
[00:49:33.119] material to somebody without a clearance
[00:49:34.559] or a need to know. That's a violation of
[00:49:37.760] the law. Just like some people said,
[00:49:39.440] "Well, all those guys on that group,
[00:49:41.520] they certainly would have told their
[00:49:42.559] wives what they were doing." Forget
[00:49:45.720] it. I never told my wife anything
[00:49:48.520] classified. I can't control what she
[00:49:50.640] says or who's listening or anything like
[00:49:53.480] that. The man who headed the Manhattan
[00:49:56.079] project to develop nuclear weapons, his
[00:49:57.839] wife found out what he was doing the day
[00:49:59.280] of the first explosion in Hiroshima.
[00:50:05.680] If you didn't know before that he was
[00:50:07.040] working on an atomic bomb. What the
[00:50:08.880] heck's an atomic bomb? It was a secret
[00:50:10.480] city. Los
[00:50:13.240] Alamos. Thousands of people working
[00:50:15.880] there. I won't go into the
[00:50:19.880] trivia. Oh, you get strange objections.
[00:50:23.280] the national uh the White House, the
[00:50:26.000] National Security Council uh guy at the
[00:50:28.800] National Archives said that well there
[00:50:32.160] was no NSC meeting on that day that
[00:50:34.400] Cutler Twining
[00:50:35.880] memo. It doesn't say it was an NSC
[00:50:38.480] meeting. It says the already scheduled
[00:50:41.000] meeting which is not the same thing
[00:50:43.040] because there were all kinds of meetings
[00:50:44.240] at the White House. And I even have
[00:50:46.400] proof that Ike might spend a little
[00:50:48.559] while in one meeting or people seeing
[00:50:51.839] Ike would spend some time with him, go
[00:50:53.599] out to a separate meeting of a different
[00:50:55.200] group, then come
[00:50:56.440] back. That's the way these things work.
[00:50:58.800] People's time is precious. You're over
[00:51:00.400] at the White House, take care of stuff.
[00:51:10.160] Just to mention that there's one heck of
[00:51:11.760] a lot of research on
[00:51:13.880] Roswell and there is a DVD out
[00:51:20.760] there, firsthand testimony from 21
[00:51:23.440] Roswell witnesses. They're all dead now.
[00:51:26.000] You can't talk to them anymore, but you
[00:51:27.599] can watch their testimony. You can
[00:51:30.079] decide for yourself. This is not
[00:51:31.520] somebody saying party A saying this is
[00:51:33.839] what party B said. This is firsthand
[00:51:36.800] testimony from people who handled
[00:51:38.400] wreckage were there, etc.,
[00:51:40.760] etc. The data is
[00:51:45.800] there. And as I told the other day, some
[00:51:48.480] people say that RAF is Royal Australian
[00:51:51.839] Air Force. That's one of those silly
[00:51:54.040] ones. Roswell Army Airfield was the name
[00:51:56.800] of the base.
[00:52:04.559] Chicago Daily News. I had one critic say
[00:52:06.800] it was only in the Roswell
[00:52:08.599] paper. Roswell is not in Chicago the
[00:52:11.359] last time I checked. It isn't even
[00:52:12.800] close. You
[00:52:20.599] know, I've had some people say, "Well,
[00:52:23.359] they didn't use the term DISC." Yes,
[00:52:25.760] they did. There's the headline. This
[00:52:28.000] goes to high
[00:52:32.839] officers. That's one of my favorite
[00:52:34.880] headlines. That's from the the Los
[00:52:37.040] Angeles uh
[00:52:40.119] newspaper. Didn't a much bigger paper
[00:52:42.640] than the Roswell Daily Record, in case
[00:52:44.480] you're
[00:52:47.240] wondering. It was big news for a
[00:52:53.319] day. There's New Mexico. New Mexico is
[00:52:56.800] an interesting
[00:52:58.920] state. A lot of land, not many people,
[00:53:02.559] in case you're wondering. The first
[00:53:03.920] atomic bomb was tested in New Mexico.
[00:53:06.240] Why? Because there was no people
[00:53:08.280] there. And you know, it's kind of funny.
[00:53:11.520] Lots of people called the sheriff. The
[00:53:13.200] bomb test was successful. It was seen
[00:53:15.680] from a 100 miles away. And people were
[00:53:18.480] calling the sheriff, "Hey, what
[00:53:20.760] happened?" They didn't say anything for
[00:53:22.720] a couple of days. And they finally put
[00:53:24.240] out a memo, a press release saying that
[00:53:27.359] an ammunition dump had blown up and
[00:53:29.200] fortunately nobody was injured.
[00:53:32.400] Will governments lie? Of course they
[00:53:34.599] will. Uh they corrected that a few weeks
[00:53:38.400] later after Hiroshima and
[00:53:41.319] Nagasaki. But New Mexico is a place
[00:53:43.680] where lots of strange things happened
[00:53:45.280] because there's room. That's where we're
[00:53:47.440] firing all the captured German V2
[00:53:49.200] rockets. That area in
[00:53:51.720] yellow is the uh White Sands Missile
[00:53:55.000] Range. You don't fire rockets when
[00:53:57.359] there's lots of people around. It's kind
[00:53:59.359] of dangerous.
[00:54:01.839] Mexicans got upset. One of the rockets
[00:54:03.680] went south instead of north and landed
[00:54:06.640] in Mexico. It didn't have a bomb on it,
[00:54:08.800] but still nobody likes having rockets
[00:54:11.280] dropped on their
[00:54:12.440] head. And you can see Roswell is 200
[00:54:16.079] miles from
[00:54:18.520] Albuquerque southeast the right lower
[00:54:20.880] right hand corner of the thing. It's not
[00:54:22.400] on the way to
[00:54:24.280] anywhere. If you're in Roswell, which I
[00:54:26.720] will be next week, it's because you want
[00:54:29.040] to be there. It's the annual UFO
[00:54:32.400] festival at the International UFO Museum
[00:54:34.800] and Research
[00:54:36.440] Center. Uh, lot of stuff to see. And
[00:54:39.839] yes, they have
[00:54:41.640] parades with little kids waving at us in
[00:54:44.680] our
[00:54:46.920] convertibles. And I got people getting
[00:54:49.359] mad at me. Oh, Stan, come on. They're
[00:54:51.520] just playing games down there. Costume
[00:54:53.599] contest.
[00:54:55.119] Well, if you're going out of your way to
[00:54:57.280] go to a place that's out of the way and
[00:55:00.079] you're taking your kids, it would be
[00:55:01.599] nice if there was something for them to
[00:55:04.200] do instead of just go to the museum and
[00:55:06.960] look at exhibits. Not Some of you may
[00:55:08.880] know that not all kids like spending
[00:55:10.640] their time at
[00:55:13.559] museums, especially in something like
[00:55:15.960] this. So, New Mexico, if you go to
[00:55:19.599] visit, incidentally, lots of sunscreen.
[00:55:22.240] It'll be hot next week. 100 degrees.
[00:55:25.920] It's at 3500 feet. And in case you're
[00:55:28.720] wondering, a couple of people have said
[00:55:30.000] things to me about going to Area
[00:55:33.480] 51 and Roswell on the same trip. I have
[00:55:36.240] to point out they're 600 miles
[00:55:39.160] apart. They're not next door to each
[00:55:41.440] other. And Area 51 didn't exist when
[00:55:44.480] Roswell happened. Wasn't built until
[00:55:47.359] years
[00:55:48.599] later. So don't tell me they immediately
[00:55:50.960] took the stuff to Area 51. There was no
[00:55:53.520] Area 51 at the time. One of the many
[00:55:57.040] myths that gets
[00:56:01.240] promulgated. There's General Roger Remy,
[00:56:03.760] head of the ETH Air Force. He's the one
[00:56:05.280] on the left in a hat.
[00:56:07.760] And he's holding wreckage of a weather
[00:56:09.839] balloon that was substituted for the
[00:56:11.839] real wreckage that was brought there
[00:56:16.119] by Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence
[00:56:19.200] officer for the 509, the most elite
[00:56:21.520] military group in the world. They were
[00:56:23.040] the group at Roswell, who dropped the
[00:56:26.160] atomic bombs on Hiroshima
[00:56:29.240] Nagasaki and two more in Operation
[00:56:31.599] Crossroads the next year. And yet, one
[00:56:33.839] of the critics says an anonymous press
[00:56:35.839] officer put out an unauthorized press
[00:56:38.920] release without bothering to mention
[00:56:41.119] that this was the 509, the most elite
[00:56:43.280] group in the
[00:56:44.440] world. And I've had people say the base
[00:56:47.359] commander a loose
[00:56:49.319] cannon. Sure, he got four more
[00:56:51.599] promotions and was a four-star
[00:56:54.280] general when he died of a massive heart
[00:56:56.640] attack as vice chief of staff of the
[00:56:59.920] United States Air Force. Doesn't sound
[00:57:03.119] like a loose cannon to me. You remember
[00:57:06.319] that was the only air force in the world
[00:57:08.000] at the time that had nuclear
[00:57:12.200] weapons. Uh interesting piece of paper
[00:57:15.200] in General Rey's
[00:57:16.920] hand. If this was done with a digital
[00:57:19.359] camera, you wouldn't be able to read it
[00:57:20.799] because the resolution isn't good
[00:57:22.000] enough. But it was done with a speed
[00:57:23.520] graphic press
[00:57:30.920] camera and some clever people have
[00:57:33.359] actually managed to read it. And my
[00:57:35.839] favorite line is victims of the
[00:57:40.040] wreck. Uh weather balloons don't have
[00:57:43.599] victims of wrecks in case you're
[00:57:46.799] thinking about that for a little bit.
[00:57:49.440] And I managed to locate the other man in
[00:57:51.440] the picture. Uh Remy was dead. I
[00:57:53.599] couldn't reach him. Blanchard was dead.
[00:57:56.079] Talked to family.
[00:58:02.040] But there's Tommy
[00:58:04.200] Dubose years later. He was the guy with
[00:58:07.000] Remy. He told me in
[00:58:10.520] person that he took the call from Rey's
[00:58:15.720] boss, General McMullen in Washington.
[00:58:19.599] giving him three
[00:58:21.319] instructions. I want you to get the
[00:58:23.119] press off our back. I don't care how you
[00:58:25.280] do it. You see, Major
[00:58:29.079] Marcel had brought in the wreckage, base
[00:58:32.640] public information officer, put out the
[00:58:34.240] press release. The story went all over
[00:58:35.839] the place. McMullen
[00:58:39.079] tells then Colonel Dubose, who was a
[00:58:41.760] general when I found
[00:58:44.119] him, get the press off our back. I don't
[00:58:46.640] care how you do it. send some of that
[00:58:48.240] wreckage up here today to Washington
[00:58:50.720] from Texas with one of your colonel
[00:58:53.480] couriers and I don't want you ever to
[00:58:55.760] talk about it again. That's an order. Do
[00:58:58.480] I need to put it in writing, Colonel?
[00:59:01.200] No, sir. When a twostar general, all
[00:59:04.160] West Pointers here, tells a colonel what
[00:59:08.400] to do, he does it. This is 1947, two
[00:59:12.400] years after the war was over.
[00:59:16.160] We had to censor some of what Tommy said
[00:59:18.640] about what was going on at the base. He
[00:59:20.480] was talking about some of the women on
[00:59:21.760] the base and some of the officers at the
[00:59:23.760] base, but we won't go into that. Uh he
[00:59:27.599] took us Don Schmidt and I second trip.
[00:59:30.960] Nicest restaurant in town. Great
[00:59:33.799] guy.
[00:59:36.359] Florida. There's Jesse
[00:59:39.319] Marcel. Major Jesse Marcel.
[00:59:43.440] He was
[00:59:44.760] instructed to hold some of this
[00:59:47.400] wreckage. And you don't say anything,
[00:59:49.760] we'll take care of it, said General Remy
[00:59:51.839] to him. And when a general tells a major
[00:59:54.640] what to do, he does
[00:59:56.680] it. So he knew it
[00:59:58.920] was part of a lie, but you follow
[01:00:08.760] orders. Love that
[01:00:11.799] headline. All those three pictures had
[01:00:14.240] to do with this uh flying disc at
[01:00:19.960] Alamagordo. They
[01:00:22.119] launched stuff to tell the press, "No,
[01:00:25.200] nothing going on at Roswell. Don't worry
[01:00:26.799] about it. Forget about it." They
[01:00:32.280] lied. Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., the at that
[01:00:35.920] time 11-year-old son of Major Marcel,
[01:00:38.079] handled pieces of the wreckage. He died
[01:00:40.480] last year. He was a medical doctor, a
[01:00:42.240] pilot, was sent called back in to serve
[01:00:44.880] as a helicopter pilot because he was a
[01:00:46.799] flight
[01:00:47.799] surgeon. Middle East, flew 225 combat
[01:00:52.160] hours. He was called back in at age
[01:00:55.960] 68. Pretty hard up when you got to call
[01:00:58.720] the guy back in to fly combat missions
[01:01:01.200] at age
[01:01:02.920] 68. He wasn't complaining. He was a
[01:01:06.319] patriot. He also served in another place
[01:01:08.799] that we never were,
[01:01:10.760] Cambodia. His helicopter got shot down
[01:01:13.720] there. That Vietnamese war, you know,
[01:01:17.760] they made it back to our
[01:01:20.359] lines. Was there another lie? Oh, yeah.
[01:01:22.799] The government said we were never in
[01:01:24.839] Cambodia. Jesse was
[01:01:29.160] there. Three other
[01:01:31.160] witnesses. The one in the middle is the
[01:01:33.599] neighbor of the rancher. Her brother on
[01:01:35.760] the left, he was on the airplane that
[01:01:37.280] flew some of the wreckage from there to
[01:01:39.799] Texas. General Rey's stuff. The one on
[01:01:43.119] the right was an officer and a pilot at
[01:01:45.040] the base. He saw them carrying wreckage
[01:01:46.720] out to that
[01:01:50.680] plane. Safo Henderson, her husband was a
[01:01:54.680] pilot. A lot of missions in Europe
[01:01:56.799] during the war. He was chosen to carry a
[01:01:59.920] load of wreckage from and bodies from
[01:02:02.480] Roswell to
[01:02:06.200] Texas. And he only told her about it
[01:02:08.880] when he saw an article in the National
[01:02:10.400] Enquirer talking about Roswell crashing
[01:02:12.720] bodies. Figured the story was
[01:02:19.079] out. Man on the left was Papy Henderson,
[01:02:22.160] her husband's close friend, and he had
[01:02:24.400] shown him some wreckage. on his honor as
[01:02:26.880] a former naval officer not to talk about
[01:02:28.640] it, which he didn't while Papy was
[01:02:31.160] alive. Talked to both these
[01:02:34.440] guys. There's Colonel
[01:02:37.240] Blanchard. Loose cannon indeed. Here's
[01:02:39.760] his obituary from the New York
[01:02:43.880] Times, vice chief of staff of the Air
[01:02:46.680] Force. On his way up, he had had
[01:02:49.119] thousands of nuclear weapons under his
[01:02:52.119] control. Loose cannon? I don't think so.
[01:02:57.040] Air Force. Well, you might expect they
[01:03:01.160] lied. Uh, this was the mogul balloon
[01:03:03.920] explanation. You see, there were four
[01:03:05.280] explanations. You just in sequence.
[01:03:08.400] Flying saucer captured flying disc. Oh,
[01:03:11.839] sorry. Gee whiz. It was a weather
[01:03:15.400] balloon with a radar
[01:03:17.960] reflector. As if the people at Roswell
[01:03:20.880] couldn't identify those. They loaded.
[01:03:22.640] They launched weather balloons every
[01:03:25.400] day. Then the third explanation, oh, it
[01:03:28.480] was really a mogul
[01:03:30.359] balloon. Super secret special balloon
[01:03:33.839] train. 20 to 25 balloons at 20 foot
[01:03:39.720] intervals. Stay at a steady altitude.
[01:03:43.839] Listen for a Soviet nuclear test. There
[01:03:46.319] hadn't been one
[01:03:48.760] yet. Uh, super secret. No, the mission
[01:03:52.640] was secret. None of the technology was
[01:03:55.359] secret. They lied again. No launch fit
[01:03:58.160] in the time frame. Well, they didn't say
[01:04:00.880] anything about
[01:04:03.079] bodies. Well, we got to make up for
[01:04:05.880] that. Oh, there's what a mogul balloon
[01:04:08.319] train looks
[01:04:11.079] like. Then they put out the Roswell
[01:04:13.520] report. Case closed. All those stories
[01:04:16.240] of bodies just crash test dummies. We
[01:04:18.799] were dropping them all over New Mexico.
[01:04:20.720] They show the same map three times. None
[01:04:23.599] of the drop sites were near where the
[01:04:25.119] crash
[01:04:26.039] occurred. Kind of
[01:04:30.359] interesting. The dummies in the middle,
[01:04:34.319] uh, the man on the
[01:04:36.039] right, Colonel Mazden, he was in charge
[01:04:40.079] of the program. None of the crash test
[01:04:43.880] dummies were dropped until six years
[01:04:46.160] after
[01:04:47.160] Roswell. So they figured out time travel
[01:04:49.599] for crash test
[01:04:52.119] dummies. Got away with
[01:04:54.599] it. As the colonel told me, the dummies
[01:04:57.119] were six feet tall and weighed 175
[01:04:59.280] pounds. They had to be the same size as
[01:05:01.000] pilots because we're going to drop one
[01:05:03.119] out of an airplane ejection seats they
[01:05:05.359] were working on for high-flying
[01:05:06.720] airplanes and stuff. It better be very
[01:05:09.119] close to the real
[01:05:10.760] thing. Of course, when they hit the
[01:05:12.720] ground, sometimes the arms came off and
[01:05:14.240] the legs came off.
[01:05:16.160] Obviously, all the ranchers would be
[01:05:17.680] fooled and think these were aliens,
[01:05:20.440] right? Geez. In Air Force uniform, which
[01:05:24.000] is kind of a neat
[01:05:26.520] trick. Sometimes the depths of the line
[01:05:30.559] get you down a little
[01:05:32.920] bit. There's my book about
[01:05:37.319] Roswell. Corona is the name of the town,
[01:05:40.640] closest to where the crash actually
[01:05:42.240] occurred. They love me in Corona.
[01:05:45.359] at the time of the 50th anniversary had
[01:05:47.119] the sign on their old movie theater,
[01:05:49.039] "Forget about Roswell. It all happened
[01:05:54.280] here, very small town."
[01:06:01.319] Incidentally, Dr. Marcel wrote this book
[01:06:03.839] with his wife. He just died last year,
[01:06:06.400] as I
[01:06:07.400] said.
[01:06:09.400] Uh, and of course when he was
[01:06:11.680] interviewed for the Peter Jennings
[01:06:13.039] special, they didn't bother to mention
[01:06:14.319] that he was serving at the
[01:06:17.240] time as a flight surgeon in the Middle
[01:06:21.880] East, was a
[01:06:24.359] colonel, and was a medical doctor. Now,
[01:06:27.920] if those things don't go to credibility,
[01:06:30.000] I don't know what
[01:06:32.520] does. But if you're going to look for
[01:06:35.280] the truth, you got to look hard.
[01:06:39.119] Oh, this is that DVD that I
[01:06:42.440] mentioned. Firsthand testimony about
[01:06:46.680] Roswell. Lots of it. 108 minutes
[01:06:53.160] long. James McDonald, the finest
[01:06:55.520] eupfologist ever. I can't sell you a
[01:06:57.839] copy of his
[01:06:59.240] report, his congressional testimony, 41
[01:07:02.079] outstanding sightings because I'm out of
[01:07:04.240] them.
[01:07:06.799] the best euphologist
[01:07:10.200] ever. Dr. Jay Allen
[01:07:13.559] Heinik, professor of astronomy at
[01:07:15.760] Northwestern University, the Air Force
[01:07:17.520] Project Blue Book Scientific Consultant
[01:07:20.480] for 20 years. When I gave him a copy of
[01:07:23.200] that Bowlinger memo that I mentioned, he
[01:07:26.480] was angry. They used us as he realized
[01:07:30.240] that they hadn't been getting the good
[01:07:32.680] stuff. I don't know why he thought they
[01:07:35.039] had been,
[01:07:36.039] but they weren't getting it. More than
[01:07:38.960] 70 cases that couldn't be explained in
[01:07:40.720] this
[01:07:41.880] book. University of Colorado study, no
[01:07:45.440] evidence was 965 pages long and 30% of
[01:07:48.799] the 117 cases studied in detail could
[01:07:51.280] not be
[01:07:52.680] identified. Now, the head of the program
[01:07:54.720] was Dr. Condan. He never said
[01:07:57.640] that. Nothing of
[01:08:00.200] use, nothing of flying saucers.
[01:08:03.839] a lie. He also said his files weren't
[01:08:06.640] preserved. Well, they're at the li the
[01:08:09.119] American Philosophical Society library.
[01:08:12.079] Didn't want anybody looking at them, I
[01:08:16.199] guess. Oh, another report came out, SOM
[01:08:21.159] 101. Uh, it's instructions for military
[01:08:24.880] guys, what they should do if a saucer
[01:08:27.400] crashes, how to handle the bodies, the
[01:08:29.600] cover story to put out to the press, all
[01:08:31.600] that sort of stuff. I think there this
[01:08:34.159] is the fourth document that's
[01:08:37.960] genuine, all kinds of
[01:08:40.679] details.
[01:08:42.520] Dr. Robert M.
[01:08:44.759] Wood, PhD, was head of research for
[01:08:48.000] McDonald Douglas Astronautics. Got a new
[01:08:50.799] exhaustive study of S Soom
[01:08:54.359] 101. Got a couple copies of this
[01:08:58.440] DVD back and forth between me and
[01:09:02.279] debunkers. Nuclear rocket engine just so
[01:09:05.920] you know that we have worked on such
[01:09:07.759] things. Liquid hydrogen comes in very
[01:09:10.719] very cold, goes out very very hot and
[01:09:13.440] you get thrust. And these were operated
[01:09:15.199] successfully out in the nuclear test
[01:09:17.400] site. There's one of them worked on this
[01:09:19.920] at
[01:09:21.560] Westinghouse. Only 1100 megawatts, half
[01:09:24.159] the power of Hoover Dam, this
[01:09:27.080] big operated in the
[01:09:30.759] 1960s. Nuclearpowered submarine goes
[01:09:34.000] around the world underwater.
[01:09:36.799] nuclearpowered aircraft carrier operates
[01:09:38.799] for 18 years without
[01:09:41.560] refueling. 18
[01:09:44.520] years. And you don't think we can use
[01:09:46.560] nuclear energy to get to the stars?
[01:09:49.440] You're
[01:09:50.759] wrong. Uh first
[01:09:54.920] Hbomb, three mile wide
[01:09:58.440] fireball. Final report.
[01:10:01.440] It's not final, but I had a contract to
[01:10:03.679] do some research, so I had to call it
[01:10:05.360] final
[01:10:08.280] report. Uh, other Truman's signatures
[01:10:11.679] and
[01:10:14.120] data. All the signatures, you notice the
[01:10:16.880] the
[01:10:17.880] upper cross on the
[01:10:20.520] T. One. Wag said they always stopped
[01:10:26.159] uh rest near the respectfully your
[01:10:28.719] sincerely yours. Well, you can see they
[01:10:33.159] don't. One of my favorite
[01:10:35.800] cartoons, the St. John newspaper, St.
[01:10:38.560] John New Brunswick newspaper had an
[01:10:40.159] article about my being named to the
[01:10:42.880] Roswell Hall of
[01:10:45.480] Fame. And that's what it says. Roswell
[01:10:47.760] UFO wall of Hall of Fame in that little
[01:10:50.960] thing I'm holding up. Always nice to be
[01:10:53.840] recognized by your peers. I guess he
[01:10:56.560] means the little guys are my peers. I
[01:10:58.719] don't know.
[01:10:59.679] I'm not tall enough. I guess there's
[01:11:02.480] going to be a movie maybe Hollywood
[01:11:05.000] unpredictable magic
[01:11:08.440] man. Myself, Don Schmidt on the right
[01:11:10.960] and the producer of the movie maybe is
[01:11:13.040] in the
[01:11:14.199] middle. I hope we find out in the next
[01:11:16.560] five years while I'm still alive whether
[01:11:19.120] it was going to be made or not. And that
[01:11:21.520] concludes today's