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The Age of Disclosure: Who Actually Controls the UAP Secrets? — Dan Farah on Shane Smith's show (2026-06-18)
The Age of Disclosure: Who Actually Controls the UAP Secrets? — Dan Farah on Shane Smith's show (2026-06-18)
Source: VICE News, Shane Smith's interview show (SSHQ). Episode: "The Age of Disclosure: Who Actually Controls the UAP Secrets? w/ Dan Farah". Host: Shane Smith (VICE co-founder). Guest: Dan Farah, director of the documentary The Age of Disclosure (now on Amazon Prime).
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Published: 2026-06-18. Duration: 1:19:12.
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What this is: verbatim auto-caption transcript of a promotional long-form interview for the film. It is overwhelmingly a restatement of the documentary's existing claims; the recent (May-June 2026) declassification-dump items Farah cites are tracked elsewhere in the base (PURSUE releases, the May 14 DOAC roundtable, the 1948 Navy memo capture). New-info assessment: ../../queries/2026-06-18-farah-shane-smith-interview-new-info.
Analysis: ../../sources/age-of-disclosure-documentary.
There's been all kinds of UAPs seen over
the years. There's been crafts that look
like flying saucers. Uh there's been
orbs, aerospace vehicles that look like
tic tacs. You seem like a regular sane
person and you make this documentary.
Age of Disclosure debuted at number one
on Amazon Prime.
The Age of Disclosure. Really good.
Can't recommend it enough. The Age of
Disclosure.
The Age of Disclosure.
The Age of Disclosure.
What's the biggest surprise? It
surprised me how in sync everyone I
talked to was regardless of the fact
that most of them didn't know each
other.
They had different belief systems, but
they all were saying the same thing.
All right, here we go. I'm very excited
about this. I know when I'm excited
about a podcast because I have too many
questions A and I want to ask them all
at the same time. B. So, we're going to
relax.
Cool. We're going to go slow. We're here
with Dan Farah, Hollywood producer.
Began your career as an assistant in
ICM. Made a film, very, very, very
famous film, Ready Player One, with a
very famous guy, Steven Spielberg. So,
you're like a success in Hollywood. And
then you make one of the best
documentaries of all time, number one,
uh, Doc on Prime.
The American people are ready to receive
the truth.
Humanity
is not the only intelligence in the
universe
to distill it because I've been
following the sort of UAP UFO we're not
alone thing as a journalist you know I
was a skeptic and you know let's put
some rigor into the study and what I had
a problem with and this is why I like
your film so much what I had a problem
with is not the facts but the delivery
of the facts everyone was crazy or
looked crazy or was a wing nut. And so
the the message was getting killed by
the messengers. And then I watched your
film which is bipartisan. It has
everybody all the presidents. You have
Obama, Clinton, Trump, you have Rubio,
you have pretty much every senator and
congressperson on the bipartisan
committees for intelligence and you have
NSA directors all saying it's real.
First of all, Dan Farah, thank you for
being here. The film is The Age of
Disclosure. I recommend everyone go see
it. You can see it on Prime. It's number
one doc on Prime. Thanks for being here.
Let's get into it.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Problem
Spielberg.
You do a film with him, Ready Player
One. Then you do The Age of Disclosure,
and that guy does Disclosure Day right
around the same time.
I am much more inclined now than I was
when I made Close Encounters.
to really believe that we're not the
only intelligent civilization in the
universe.
I think it's great. I think it's great.
Yeah. So, first off, I think he's the
greatest filmmaker of all time. Hands
down. Like indisputable. The greatest.
Um, also my interest in this topic comes
from his work. So, like I'm I'm 46. My
childhood was the 80s and 90s and I grew
up watching movies like Close Encounters
and ET. Um, Close Encounters made the
biggest impact on me. It's hands down my
favorite film of all time.
And it really, you know, it captivated
me. It made me interested about this
topic,
you know, made me think about those big
questions like, are we alone in the
universe?
Does the US government in fact know more
about this topic than, you know, pop
culture suggests? You know, what's the
key thesis and close encounters, ET, TV
shows like X Files is that the
government does in fact know more about
this or keeps the truth from the public.
I constantly wished someone would make a
serious sober doc about this topic and
only interview people who have direct
knowledge of it as a result of working
for the US government, you know, cuz
like you I I always felt like the
coverage of this topic kind of felt
short, you know, it wasn't the right
people talking about it and and even
like the great docs made over the years,
they would always have some weak link.
They'd have somebody in there where just
kind of like, okay, who's this
knucklehead, right? Um, so I always wish
something like that existed. And then
years later, um, when I was working with
him on Ready Player One and I was on set
and watching him direct in person, you
know, just a few feet away, watching him
construct scenes and and and and you
know, put a story together and and do
his thing. Um, I was just super inspired
to want to direct something after years
of producing. And and when I started
thinking about what that would be, I
kept coming back to this doc that I
always wish existed. So that was sort of
um you know simply put there would be no
age of disclosure without the age of
Steven Spielberg. That's for sure.
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disclosure day. It's it's timing, but
it's also timing, I want to say, in the
zeitgeist cuz it feels like this was the
area of sort of conspiracy theories and,
you know, the edge, the periphery. Yeah.
And now I would say partially at least
due to your film, you have the
government
actually having disclosures and and and
you know having data dumps uh you know a
lot of it heavily redacted and we can
get into what are they giving us but at
least they're giving us something
and politicians are willing to go on the
like Rubio is very surprised but like on
the record and and which they haven't
been because of this ridicule phenomena.
um which I want to get into later.
That's more uh down the line. But um you
know, how did you get uh some of the big
names to to to come up and and be public
about you know that the that they know
that this that these things are
happening, that they're aware of the
information and to go on record.
Yeah. So, when I first decided I wanted
to try to make this film, uh, a film
that would be the most credible doc ever
made on the topic, um, I I got some
introductions to a few intelligence
officials who had worked on this topic
for the US government and spent months
getting to know them, earning their
trust. Amongst those was Jay Stratton,
who was the director of the US
government's UAP task force, the largest
whole of government investigation ever
of UAP and nonhuman intelligent life.
Um, and in these private private
meetings, I started sharing my vision
for the age of disclosure. And I learned
in those conversations that the reason
people like Stratton or Rubio hadn't
gone and spoken out um about everything
they legally could is simply they just
didn't have they never got presented the
right form to do it. None of them wanted
to go and participate in some big
streamer or movie studios documentary
because they knew it would be
sensationalized. They wouldn't they
would be intercut with random people. Uh
there's just so many ways that could go
wrong for them, right? Um no one wanted
to go on a single news program like a
Fox or CNN. The country is so bifurcated
and you know it's in its point of views
like you know half the country watches
one, half country watches the other.
Also at most you're going to get five or
six minutes. The anchor is not really
going to have any real understanding of
the situation. The conversation will be
all over the place. you know, it's a
very difficult arena to present these
ideas, these these the this information.
And so, they just really didn't have a
way to do it. On top of that, none of
them wanted to be the one guy out on a
limb saying these extraordinary things
and being subject to the the push back
and the ridicule, right? There's a very
real disinformation campaign that has
sort of ruled the day over the last 80
years. And anyone who sticks their head
up and starts to tell the public the
truth gets gets repercussions. uh a lot
of these people have had their lives in
danger. A lot of them have their careers
ruined, their reputations ruined. So, no
one wanted to be the one guy out on a
limb being subject to that, right? And
so, what I when I started to learn the
reasons why they had not
stepped out the truth uh in the way that
they could, uh I started presenting
basically a solution to that. Uh I
started to socialize in this community
of people that I would make this movie
completely independently. I would
independently finance it. Uh every we'd
make it in complete secrecy. everyone
would sign strict NDAs. I would
make everyone who participates aware of
who else is participating and what is
being revealed. So there's no, you know,
there's no surprises and um we would
keep it only people who have direct
knowledge of this topic as a result of
working for the US government in some
capacity, whether that's military,
intelligence community, defense
contractors. And so the bar would be
there. They wouldn't have to worry about
being intercut with some, you know, dude
from the History Channel. And um no
knock on the History Channel, but just
this is a different thing, right?
Shout out to Ancient Aliens.
And it would be handled very seriously.
incred in an incredible fashion.
A fantastic job.
And so, thank you. And so, basically
that that sort of game plan
caught wind and I started getting passed
around, you know, eventually to senior
senators like Rubio and Rounds and
Gillibrand and people from the White
House National Security Council and it
started to build momentum. And then a
really interesting thing happened like
at a point in this process essentially
my doc became the plan for disclosure.
So people like Rubio who were aware of a
lot of information and their teams
around them decided the way he would
bring about disclosure is by
participating in this documentary. And
everyone knew that this was going to
take time to put together. You know made
this over the course of a few years in
secrecy but everyone felt like
you know it was worth you know doing it
right taking the time to do it and that
this would be the way to bring about
change. I was told early on that the
release of the dock would be followed uh
within a few months by a presidential
action and that's exactly what happened.
The movie came out 11:21 November 21st
2025 and on February 19th Trump issued a
presidential directive instructing all
federal agencies to identify evidence of
UAP and non-human intelligent life and
to declassify it. and this process got
got put in motion
to go into the complexity and nuance of
it. Rubio, when you're talking to him,
um, says, you know, there's the
government and there's there's the
government. There's people who have had
the job for 30 years.
Um, you know, they're they're
bureaucrats uh that that don't feel
they've seen guys like me come and go
and they don't they don't feel, you
know, that I have the need to know.
There's presidents, there's other people
that's been told they don't have the
need to know. It's literally the
definition not to add conspiracy onto
conspiracy but it's literally the
definition of a deep state. It's like
look there are people there are career
technocrats bureaucrats who are just
making these decisions. So people are
like well if the government knows why
doesn't the government tell us?
Yeah.
And legacy program which starts uh as a
CIA uh air force uh defense contractors
but the
department of energy.
Well I got that I'm coming. But smartly
they do the department of energy. Why?
Because they have all the atomic secret
war act things so that they can keep it
secret and they can keep this. So
there's the government and the
government. So you've got these four
four agencies. What does the what what
does the legacy program do? What was it
designed to do? And if tell me the
beginning of it because it was the start
of the CIA and all. So, so a number of
the interview subjects in my doc uh
reveal that a program referred to as the
legacy program has gatekept this
information for basically 80 years. And
that program involves elements of the
CIA. It's not the CIA as a whole. It's
certain people within the CIA. Um
certain elements within the Department
of Energy, certain elements within the
US Air Force, and then private defense
contractors. So um that means companies
like Lockheed Martin or North of Grumman
um and uh this program uh is the people
in my film explained it's quarterbacked
by the CIA. So they're like operational
control and all the other players serve
certain purposes. So they explain that
the air force is actually uh like sort
of like in control of field operations
like doing actual retrievalss of crashed
UAP traveling them back to wherever they
store them, you know. So if a if a UAP,
a UFO crashes, it would be elements of
the Air Force that go and retrieve it.
They can also use other branches of the
military special forces like they could
use a Navy Seal team if they needed to,
but they they retrieve this technology.
And then um Department of Energy plays
the role of first off they they're the
experts on anything that gives off
massive amounts of energy. Um but they
also have um a classification system
that sits outside of the intelligence
community's classification system and
basically just can allow them to keep
secrets easier, right? Um and then
defense contractors they play the role
of um the reverse engineering work to
try to reverse engineer this technology
uh because they've got all the best
engineer you know private the private
sector the contractor world is where all
the best engineers are and the people
who are you know the best at identifying
how this technology could work and then
trying to reverse engineer it. So Rubio
explains in the film how
over the years you
defense contractors have gotten a lot of
control of this situation within within
that that that that org chart, that
organization known as the legacy program
because um he breaks it down. He says,
you know, imagine you're a defense
contractor and you're given some
technology in the 40s that the
government can't figure out and there's
a government overseer of this very
secretive project to figure it out. The
contractor stays constant. They keep
working on it. That that government
overseer, he retires or he dies. Another
guy comes in. He he knows the project
exists, but he doesn't know the real
origin, backstory of the program. He
doesn't know everything they've figured
out. Um he's just aware it's there. Uh
then that guy retires or dies. And then
another guy comes in. Again, the
contractor staying constant. They're
staying, they're working away at this
thing. They're aware of all the
information.
But then, you know, the third overseer,
he doesn't even know the project exists.
Then you jump forward to like you know
50 60 years and the people who were in
the position the elected positions to of
government oversight right they have
absolutely no idea any of this even
exists or did exist right and so he
breaks this down and my the the Rubio
interview was was a special one for me
because um you know
he he really understood the full picture
better than any elected official at the
time. He was the vice chairman of the
Senate Intelligence Committee. He he and
the rest of the committee had learned
about the reality of the situation. They
learned the extent of the cover up.
They signed agreements that they would
face jail time or in some cases some
people claim it would cost them their
lives if they spoke out about these
things.
He really wanted to inform the public in
the best way he could. And so the tone
of his interview with me was very much
like let me let me tell you how the
world works. Even presidents have often
been operating on a need to- know basis.
That's certainly true from a historic
standpoint. The rationale, the
justification was the president
shouldn't know about these things
because that way the president always
has deniability. All they need is a nod
in this direction or in that direction.
But that begins to ramp out of control.
Frankly, I don't even know a president
would know who to ask. You could go to
the director of the CIA nowadays, uh the
director of national intelligence and
ask them, and even that person may not
know.
It's like, "All right, kid. Let me tell
you the world works. And he's just very
matter of fact. And he breaks down how,
you know, the truth has not only been
kept from the public and Congress, but
from sitting presidents. And he, as you,
as you mentioned earlier, he breaks down
as how these career bureaucrats can sit
there in these positions of power for
20, 30 years um within like CIA or
Department of Energy or the Air Force.
They're unelected bureaucrats and they
can just gatekeep information and they
they have this attitude of well, we can
just wait out any administration. So
that's what's happening right now. even
following President Trump's directive, a
lot of these federal agencies, they're
they're not turning over the evidence
they have or they're just playing dumb
and saying, "Oh, we don't know what
you're talking about. There's there's no
there there."
Yeah. I liked one of your things which
is um the Navy and I've interviewed a
couple of the pilots, but the Navy
started having, you know, we, you know,
we're having our pilots seeing these
things. We're reporting them. We're
recording them. The controller had told
us that these objects uh had been
observed for over two weeks, coming down
from over 80,000 ft, rapidly descending
to 20,000 ft, hanging out for hours, and
then going straight back up. For those
who don't realize, above 80,000 ft is
space.
You know, they're coming to bases, etc.,
etc. And the Air Force because it's part
of the latest are like, I don't know
what you're talking about. We're not
seeing any of that stuff. And the Navy
has more and more and more various
different groups are seeing more and
more. And the Air Force is saying, oh,
nothing to see.
And it's been that way for a long time.
So, one of the pieces of evidence that
was actually released la just last week
la this past Friday 4 days ago um was a
memo from 1948
internal memo from the US Navy where the
commander of all naval operations was
essentially instructing the entire naval
force uh to be on the lookout for UAP
because there was an increase in flying
saucer sightings at the time And in the
memo, it says that the head of naval
operations is instructing everyone to
report what they see, not up the naval
chain of command, but to the air force.
And so, you can just see how like the
system was put in place where like, hey,
we're we're controlling this situation.
We message out to all the other branches
of the military. We've got this, you
know, and then they can get the
information and they can lock it down.
So there's there seems to be an all like
a sort of fight um where some people are
saying hey look these UAPs exist. Now
let's get back to when we talk about
this stuff and the legacy program. This
isn't like rumor myth and innuendo.
These are the top government officials
saying yes this exists and yes we have
seen proof that this exists. I just want
to be clear about that.
Yeah. One of the reasons why it's
happening now is people are saying,
"Hey, our safety, our security, our
sovereignty are being challenged by
these entities that that are UAPs that
we don't that aren't on they're not on
any flight plan. They're not on
anything. So, we have to figure it out
because hey, this is a threat."
Sane, right? That's a good reaction for
our politicians. They are then met with
this resistance, the uh the ridicule,
the the legacy program. So there seems
to be a sort of internal war going on.
Maybe explain.
Yeah, 100%. There's there's a there's a
tug of war happening behind the scenes.
There's a number of officials who have
learned the truth and want to make it a
national priority. Um those people have
made it a national priority. They want
to keep it a national priority and they
want to they want to inform the public
um of the truth. Right? Then there's
people behind the scenes who are
completely opposed to that. They think
secrecy is the best path forward. Uh
they don't think the American public
needs to know the full picture. Um they
don't want to lose any uh control of the
information they have now. You know, in
in that arena, um power comes from
control of information and and the
people who have been gatekeeping this,
they don't want to um they don't want to
lose the control and power they have.
Um there there there have been some some
people who have been involved in keeping
the secret uh legitimately think the
public can't handle the full truth. Uh I
think my documentary shows people can
right people aren't watching this movie
and you know jumping out of windows
losing their minds. They're it makes
them more curious. They want to know
more, you know. Um
I think we can handle the truth. So I
think that that sort of like battle's
being waged in small private rooms right
now. Um and then you know people people
tend to uh mistakenly view the
government as like this big whole
you know all as one right as if it moves
in lock step. It it doesn't even with a
presidential directive to identify this
evidence and declassify it. It all of
these gatekeepers within all these
different silos of the national security
kingdom. you know, these like 1920
agencies, they all they're all their own
little kingdoms, right? And within those
kingdoms, there's differing opinions,
too. You know, um there's people who
keep secrets from their own colleagues
within these federal agencies. So,
the process of getting the biggest
secret of all time out of each of these
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Bro, if I lean in like this, am I am I
screwing up your frame there?
So, I'm getting ready right now to
interview Dan Farah, who's the producer
and director of the age of disclosure,
which is a fantastic doc about the
disclosure around UAPs and non-human
intelligence known as UFOs and aliens.
The Trump administration has done dumps
of whistleblower testimonies,
congressional reports, military memos,
court records. So, I just got a lot of
these documents. I put them into my PDF
space, which is Adobe Acrobat. And I'm
asking it some questions. There's the
sort of holy grail of documents. It was
rumored for many, many years that there
was a pictures of UAPs on the moon taken
by the lunar lander. And in fact, the
UAP from the lunar lander, the picture
of it was in that dump, which is crazy.
It's the beginning of all other stories.
Does God exist? Is God an alien? Are we
alone? How long have they been here?
It's crazy, crazy, crazy. So, I made a
PDF space. I'm going back and forth with
it to sort of digest these documents so
I can sound smart with my interview with
Dan Farah, producer, director of the age
of disclosure. Why? because it's an age
of disclosure. We're disclosing the
truth. Bango.
People would say, "Well, that's one of
the things like whenever it was brought
up before, uh, well, you think all these
people are going to keep this secret,
like thousands and thousands of people.
We can't keep any secrets." Blah, blah,
blah. A B, I don't think people
understand you could keep a secret if it
was for national security or national
secrets. Have you a war or something,
which a lot of people like, well, China
has stuff. we have so which I want to
get into like the stuff isn't just
coming to us it's going to other people
and they're reverse engine
a big part of the rhetoric however to go
back to your point the biggest uh story
that you you know that that that we're
trying to break here why because the
minute someone says or unequivocally we
say here are you know here's the the the
the
UAP like the actual physical one or here
are the biologics or here's something
whatever that's like Okay. What is God?
You know, was was God alien? Like like
you know, how long have they been coming
here? How long have they been living
among us? What's the technology? Because
if you look at humankind, it goes like
this. And then World War II, we're
splitting atoms and we're going to the
moon. We're all these things. You're
like, "Wait a second. We had this.
Everyone was riding a horse." And then
boom, all of a sudden we've got
spaceships. You know, and so what does
that mean? You know what I mean? And so
that the to me the reason why I'm
interested in it is if you break the
story then it becomes interesting. So
first of all there's well why did you
keep it from us for so long and I you
can tell why because they're like well
the fabric of religion of law of our our
shared history goes out the window. Also
who there's there's the halves and the
have nots. So, if we have the
technology, maybe the Russians, maybe
Well, we know that's one of the big one
of the big things revealed, one of the
big things revealed in the documentary
is that
the people that have been gatekeeping
this information, they've also been
involved in a highstakes secret cold war
race with adversarial nations like China
and Russia to try to reverse engineer
this technology of non-human origin. And
the people in my film refer to it as the
Manhattan Project on steroids. The
stakes couldn't be higher, right? Um, we
won the atomic race. We built the bomb
first. We used it to end World War II
and we became the, you know, essentially
the dominant superpower for the next
hundred years, right? Is all a ripple
effect of that, right? And
multiple people in my film said, uh,
they articulated it as as as whoever
wins this race will be the leader for
the next century. Um, because at the
core, this technology is a new energy
source. It's the key to interstellar
travel. It's it's the key to um, you
know, it's a it's a solution to the
energy crisis, right? uh also it can be
used to make the most destructive weapon
of mass destruction ever.
Yes. So you can understand why there are
gatekeepers of the information saying
like we need the technology a b to to
so with the with the race though here's
the two sides. So one one the people who
want secrecy they say we should not tell
the public what we know and don't know
cuz then we're also telling our
adversaries what we know and don't know
and they just like
religiously believe that that is the
best path. Right?
Then you have people on the other side
saying
that made sense in the early days of
this process during the Cold War. But
that doesn't make sense now because it's
gone so far that the average scientist
doesn't even know it's real. They don't
know it's a valid area of inquiry. How
can we win a technology race when 99% of
the scientists in our country don't even
know it's a valid area of inquiry?
Right.
Who who wins? Like what h is there going
to be we talk about uh the age of
disclosure? We talk about disclosure
day. It's disclosure. Is there going to
be disclosure? I think I think that I
think the people that are lobbying for
more transparency are going to win. I
just think it has too much momentum. I
think it's going to play out over the
next year or two. But
what do we find out?
I think we're going to get to a point
where the government acknowledges the
retrieval of technology of not in human
origin and the fact that we're in this
this high stakes technology race. I
think we're going to get there. It's
going to take a while and I'm not sure
whether, you know,
whether the big moment we we build up to
will be this presidency or the next
presidency, but I I I think I think
we're on the path to that that happen.
You talked about um sort of uh
forgiveness or leniency or amnesty.
Yeah. So, it's a big thing happening
right now. Um, a number of the people
that have been involved in gatekeeping
this information and involved in the
cover up, um, they've told members of
senior members of Congress and senior
members of the intelligence community in
confidential settings that they're
afraid to come forward with what they
know because they fear the
repercussions. They fear that they will
they will be held accountable. Uh,
worried about going to jail. They're
worried about their careers ruined. Uh
and so um there's a brewing support uh
inside of even the White House right now
to offer amnesty to these people. And um
some senior members of the cabinet are
actually messaging this to the
intelligence community that they're not
looking to punish anyone. It's not a
it's not a witch hunt and that they can
offer protections to people who come
forward. And so, uh, I wouldn't be
surprised if sometime in the near future
we see like another presidential
directive to to offer blanket amnesty. I
think that's kind of where, uh, certain
members in Congress are trying to push
it to go to that place. Um, so it's very
wellnown and there's no no doubt about
it. It's a presidential directive. If
you have information about this cover
up, you can come forward and you won't
be punished. Um, I have heard uh some
members of the cabinet are uh trying to
put a clock on that. So it's like if you
come forward in the next six months and
tell us what you know, you won't you
won't be punished no matter what you
were involved in, right? But if you
don't and we find out after, then you
will be held accountable,
right? And what do you think? Okay,
let's say there's amnesty and let's say
some of the sort of DP staty kind of
people come out and and and and there
are uh you know there are there is real
disclosure. What what kind of things do
we find out?
I mean, I think look, a number of the
people in my film reveal that they have
learned that there have been retrievalss
of crash craft of non-human origin. In
many cases, there were non-human bodies
in in those crash sites,
biologics,
biologics, and they were um also
retrieved. And so, I think the most we
could hope for is an acknowledgement
that that's been happening, that we know
we're not alone. The government has kept
it secret for many years for what they
believed were valid reasons. and now
there's a level set happening. Um, I
think that's the most we could hope for.
Um, I think that
we could also hope that they they're
honest about the the technology race
that's happening right now with Russia
and China so that we can put the right
resources towards it. Um, you know, a
lot of people in my film talk about the
space race and how in hindsight maybe we
wouldn't have won the space race if
Kennedy didn't step to the microphone
and do that big speech he did at Rice
University where he made it clear to the
average American that like first off
getting to the moon was a realistic
thing, right? That's possible because in
the context of that time there's
probably a lot of people in America who
think
we couldn't get out of the atmosphere.
Yeah.
Yeah. But also like you know your
average person in middle America at the
time you tell him you know humans can
get to the moon that just sounds bonkers
right so like you had a president step
the microphone and say yes that's a
valid thing we can achieve and we're
going to make it a national priority and
then he articulated why it was important
that it stay a national priority and
that we went he says I think this is
almost word for word Kennedy said uh
space technology like nuclear technology
has no conscious of its own it's up to
mankind whether it's used for good or
evil and that's why he believed it was
imperative the US play a role in leading
in space so that the the technological
progress and breakthroughs that come
from it can be used for the betterment
of mankind and not to create a new sea
of war. That's how he articulated it.
And you watch that speech, you're like,
okay, this all makes sense. Like let's
make it a national priority. Let's go.
You know, and I and and it get it got
brought up in a lot of my interviews and
my my private conversations as a
reference point of what needs to happen
here. There needs to be a level set
where the American public is told this
is a real situation.
These are the stakes. This is why it's
important. We're focusing on it and we
put resources towards it. And that could
lead to so many amazing breakthroughs.
You know, Rubio, this isn't in the in
the film, but in our conversation, uh he
he he went on for a few minutes about
how um the space race had a single
mission, get to the moon, right? But off
the back of it, there were thousands of
inventions that were discovered and um
you know, breakthroughs that that
impacted our everyday life in many ways.
And his point was we don't know what's
going to come off the back of taking
this more seriously and making it a
national priority. You know, we might
solve, you know, the the short-term
questions, but we might also discover
things that could prove unbelievably
revolutionary in the long term. And so,
you know, I actually found it really
relieving that people at his level were
thinking about it like this and being so
thoughtful and um prioritizing the
bigger picture. Um even though it wasn't
a hot topic that like his voters were
pushing him to focus on, he knew it was
important. And there was a lot of people
throughout throughout my interviews that
that um that articulated that. And I
think it's a lucky break that he ended
up in the position he is now where
after, you know, while I was still
finishing the film, he became Secretary
of State and National.
Maybe he's the next president and and we
do get disclosure. I mean, look, to go
back to you, like you're saying it's the
biggest story out there, which I mean,
it's the biggest story out there on
steroids,
you know, because it starts so many
other stories and like the the 69
Kennedy, you know, moonlanding. It's
still part of our culturals, I guess,
because now you're seeing
a series like Star City, which is if
Russia had got there first and and
you're like, "Hold on a second. This
happened when I was born, like the year
I was born." Like, it's still part of
our zeist. And the fact that, you know,
to the victor, go the spoils and we won
and what would happen if Russia would
have won. That's onetenth 1 millionth of
what would happen if Yeah.
That's what I love about your film is
because finally it seems that
people in power, you know, that the
highest form the highest government
including presidents are saying, "Yes,
this is true." So I want to get to this,
which is the nuance of it. So you have
Obama sitting there saying, "Yeah,
you're talking to Clinton or you have
footage from Clinton." You know,
obviously Trump is is is doing the the
sort of data dumps, but it's still like
we're sitting here having this
discussion as if it's a fade to
complete, but I'd say 90% of the people
in the world on maybe more are saying,
well,
it's not proven.
Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be
a process. Like that's why I called the
movie the age of disclosure because it
wasn't the moment of disclosure. It's
it's this this age this process. I knew
I knew disclosure would be a process. it
it's going to have a lot of milestones
and it's going to have a lot of push
backs and hurdles but um in the end um I
think you know 20 years from now we'll
look back and it'll be this relatively
small period of time that we'll we'll
view as the age of disclosure the period
where this all you know the truth came
out
and the public went through the process
of accepting it and then and challenging
it and then getting to the point where
they just accept it as reality and all
major cultural changes have required
that you know I mean if you make a short
list of all the major cultural changes
that have happened in America, you know,
from women's rights to
um all all civil rights uh civil rights
movement. Um you know, any any kind of
change takes takes a there's a moment
where it's a process, but then you get
to the other side. And I think I think
we are going to get there and and I
think it's okay that a lot of people,
the average people, you know, you know,
watch something like the age of
disclosure and like makes them sit up
straight in their chair and they're
like, "Okay, this is this seems very
real." and serious, but I still have all
these questions. That's fine, you know.
Um, and I think and I think it's it's
important we all hold the government
accountable and make them provide more
of the answers, you know, but I do think
I do think we will get there. And and
now you see an acceptance in the
scientific community as well. That's a
sea change that's happening. Um, I read
like a week ago, I really can't remember
which university it was, but some
university was the first to um put a put
a a a class around UAP and this the
situation. I think we'll start to see
that. I think it'll get into academia
and it'll get more into the scientific
community.
So, we're in Hollywood. You made a very
famous Hollywood film, A Ready Player
One. Hollywood, to go back to the
ridicule, has been in sort of
inspirational on one side, the ETSs and
the and the and and you know, science
fiction as as a genre, Ghost Encounters,
Bangkok.
No, I got it wrong. Anyways, but also
Hollywood has been used for the
ridicule. Hollywood has been used to
say, "Look, that's just it's just fake.
It's just it's it's been made up. It's
been some of the people in my film in my
documentary, um, they go on the record
saying that, uh, early in the in in the
history of this topic in late 40s, early
'50s, uh, the CIA, as a way to prevent
people from looking into it and asking
questions, they created this cultural
stigma, this idea that, you know, you're
kooky if you look into this. If you say
you saw, you know, something
otherworldly, you must be out of your
mind. You'll have your career ruined,
your reputation will be ruined. Um, they
put that out into the culture in a very
manipulative way. Essentially, like a
very sophisticated disinformation
campaign.
Yes.
And it got compounded over the years.
And then some some folks in Hollywood
were were tasked with creating content
that would make this topic look silly
and undermine it. Who knows if they even
knew, you know, how they were being
used, you know, but the result was um
the compounding of this disinformation
campaign over the years. And then you
get to the point where, you know, before
the age of disclosure came out, I think
the average American still just thought
this was all nonsense, right? um Rubio
and and some of the Navy fighter pilots
uh talk about in the film how up until
recently there there wasn't enough of a
reason for a sitting senator or a senior
fighter pilot to speak up about what
they what they saw because you know they
just they'll be subject to the stigma.
And so one of the big objectives for the
documentary um for the people who
participated was to um put a nail in the
coffin of the stigma and really just end
it once and for all and make people
realize that that's that's insane. It's
it's it's like it's like questioning
whether terrorism is real, right? It's
like you wouldn't even have that
thought, right?
Everyone is saying yes, it's real. Yes,
it's real. But I would still say that
the majority of the people don't believe
it's real. What can we expect to
maintain a strategic advantage when
99.999%
of all scientists here in this country
don't even think it's real? Science
moves forward on the basis of exchanging
information and when it's all tied up
and held down, you just can't make
progress.
The people who have seen the evidence,
the people who have have have seen the
documents or have seen they're going on
the record and saying it, yet we still
don't believe it.
I think there's a sea change happening.
I really do. You know, there was a CBS
News put out a survey like a week ago.
Um, I don't remember the exact numbers,
but it was like overwhelming uh majority
of people they surveyed believed a we're
not alone in the universe and b that the
US government knows more than they've
told us.
And I think I think there's a a sea
change happening. You said it's an age
because it's going to take some time,
but like we had the JFK
uh sort of, you know, dump. Nothing
really came out. A lot of heavily
redacted stuff. Epstein files, a lot of
redacted stuff. Uh and then and then
here like everyone's waiting and waiting
and waiting. It's just redacted and
redacted and redacted. And you know,
we're we we you know, Vice back in the
day was very very good uh at at FOYA.
And you know, we're we're sort of foying
some stuff now, but it's it's definitely
the hardest and and as you say, you
know, the sort of bestkept secret and
FOYA can't get everything because a lot
of a lot of a lot of um what's been
covered up has been moved to the
possession of defense contractors. Those
are private companies. You can't foyer
Loheed Martin, right? Um and the
Department of Energy has its own
classification system that's not very
easy to to foyer. It's basically the
same classification system that's used
to guard nuclear secrets, right? So
there's not there's not a process for
the average person to file a FOYA and
get nuclear secrets, right? So um
yeah, so it's it's it's it's it's
difficult to get to through FOYA. But I
think also what's happening right now, I
think there are still some people within
the White House that want to put this
secret back in a box and bury it for
another 80 years. They don't want to
deal with it. Well, let's get into that
because there's some really interesting
stuff in the dog. One is the sort of
oblong or not oblong
squareish rectangular matte black large
Walmart super Walmart store size things
the size of a football field almost
rectangular in shape. It was just
floating there. No propulsion system, no
windows. It was matte black. We observed
it for another 45 seconds and then it
shot off thousands of miles an hour up
the coast.
I talked to all the direct witnesses
over a dozen people and even from their
different vantage points they all told
the same story. They all saw the same
thing
that go over military bases or over uh
you know atomic sites or or or missile
sites uh on both sides. And so and I
believe at some point Russia and America
had to have some sort of treaty about
this because uh uh we've been you know
there's there's been many many I don't
know what to call them probes or
checking us out or I don't know you
could like maybe explain a little bit
about that and this is two-parter
reverse engineering weaponry andor all
this stuff is so China
and their position in that um because
you know it's was Russia and America but
now China
a number of the people in the
documentary revealed that there has been
ongoing UAP activity over our nuclear
sites
and our um military sites sensitive
military sites uh since the late 40s and
there's a lot of focus on our weapons of
mass destruction and what's been
witnessed is pretty extraordinary
everything from orbs to crafts to giant
giant crafts. Uh you know, we're we're
we're in Malibu right now and just up
the coast um about 2 hours is Vanderberg
Air Force Base over near Santa Barbara
and in the documentary a couple Air
Force security guards who have the job
of guarding missile silos on this
superclassified base. They went on the
record talking about an event that
happened not that long ago where a giant
UAP came off the coast and over
Vanderberg and half a dozen Air Force
security guards all stood there looking
up at this extraordinary thing and then
they witnessed it shoot off at thousands
of miles an hour up the coast like a
giant they described as a giant matte
black craft the size of a football
field.
no windows, no visible means of
propulsion, no lights, and just this
extraordinary thing that they all
witnessed. And so there's there's been a
lot of activity. Um, and it's
consistently been reported uh over the
years. Aren't they saying too that
there's a possibility that you know the
orbs that are we're seeing more and more
that move and they can go into the water
and they can go in you know three and
they go into space and they can do this
and they move with you know they defile
all the physics that there's one
possibility that they are from a foreign
nation but they've been they've had
reverse engineering because they've you
know got some technology and that's one
of the theories which is leads to okay
if we're going to defend ourselves
Shouldn't we know the truth?
Yeah. I mean, look, the the
one of the big drivers for disclosure is
this cold war technology race, right?
There's a fear that if we don't, you
know, Rubio literally says this in the
film. He basically says, "If we don't
get our act together as a nation and
take this more serious and put more
resources towards it, we're going to
wake up one day and we're going to find
out that China got there before we did."
And by got there, he means fully reverse
engineered this technology. And he says,
"And we won't know how they got there or
when they got there, but we'll be
screwed."
Right?
And so there's a fear of that, you know.
Um he also articulates how throughout uh
American history, the greatest
intelligence of failures have come from
a lack of imagination. The idea that
like an adversary can't do something
just because we haven't experienced it
yet or seen it. And he makes a couple
great analogies like uh Pearl Harbor. We
didn't think they could attack us, you
know, get our torpedoes, their torpedoes
through the straits and hit us. But then
they figured out how to do it and Pearl
Harbor happened. you know, uh, 9/11, we
never imagined terrorists would fly to
the homeland and learn to fly commercial
airlines and then use commercial
airplanes in a terrorist attack until
they did.
Our lack of imagination hurt us.
Yeah, lack of imagination hurt us. And
so he doesn't want that to happen on on
this front. So that's a big driver here
which is like we need to be ahead of
this seems pretty reasonable you know
and and and and I think and what's also
happening is that's getting support
because whether you can wrap your head
around the fact that this is not human
intelligence or not
the fact that there are aircraft in our
most sensitive restricted airspace that
are not ours and we don't know exactly
whose they are and what their intention
is that alone is a problem. That alone
requires, you know, attention. That's
enough right there. You know, um, and so
I'm sorry. Then that's admitted to the
highest levels every that's generals,
presidents, senators.
Rubio says it on camera. He's literally
the second most arguably the second most
powerful guy in the world. He's the
national security adviser and the
secretary of state at the same time.
That's happened once in US history. It
was Henry Kissinger in the late '7s for
two years.
No one else in American history has had
both those jobs at the same time.
Yeah.
And he's saying that.
That's what he's saying.
It brings up every question. What do you
think happens? Okay, just close your
eyes and be like, okay, what happens
after there is disclosure?
Full disclosure. There you go.
I think it changes everything. I think
academia and the science community start
treating this like a valid area of
inquiry and putting their bandwidth
towards it and their resources towards
it. Money start more much more money
starts going towards it and then that's
when breakthroughs happen. You know,
it's just like every other aspect of our
life. All the medical breakthroughs we
see happening. Why? It's because brain
power and money was put towards it,
right? Um why have we uh fought back
against terrorism so effectively?
Because after 911, we threw a ton of
money and resources at counterterrorism.
We literally created the the director of
national intelligence position to
organize the intelligence community
more. We we Congress appropriated a
silly amount of money towards, you know,
every imaginable counter terrorism
measure they could come up with, right?
So, you know, when you apply brain power
and money and make something a national
priority, you see you see great results.
That's that's what happens. So, I think
we'll see tremendous results. And this
technology, if it's used correctly,
could revolutionize the way we live. It
could solve the energy crisis, you know,
could change the way we all, you know,
rely on oil and gas. It could it could,
you know, expand our horizons in that it
could lead to interstellar travel. It
would no longer be about um you know
these these very conventional space
exploration efforts that are happening
right now. It would change everything.
Um now at the same time that technology
could be used to create weapons of mass
destruction. And so there's a
humanitarian issue to navigate right
like to make sure that
this information is shared with the
world in a in a responsible way. you
can't you can't also you know basically
be telling bad actors how to make you
know weapons of mass destruction in
their garage. So but you know we've
handled that with nuclear technology
like there's you know not everyone knows
everything about about that. Um some
stuff is kept secret and so there's
there's undoubtfully a responsible way
to roll this out and and change
everything. Um but one one thing I want
to circle back to uh orbs. There's been
all kinds of UAP seen over the years.
There's been crafts that look like
flying saucers. Uh there's been orbs,
aerospace vehicles that look like tic
tacs. They're like big logers shaped
white round smooth as tic tacs. But the
orbs specifically, they're not a new
thing. They've been seen since World War
II. Allied pilots were reporting seeing
orbs flying next to their their
airplanes. And they describe them um
performing evasive maneuvers as if they
were intelligently controlled. Um they
describe them, you know, moving in line
with the airplanes. Like it's a very
real thing that there's tons of
documentation of it. Um even astronauts
in some of the early space missions
reported seeing orbs out the window in
space, right? Um so I think the idea
that those are made by an adversary or
anyone in America is completely bananas
because the last 100 years wouldn't have
played out the way it did if that was
the case. First off, we wouldn't have
stayed in World War II. We would have
won World War II in in an instant,
right? And if it was another country,
they they would be the dominant country
on the planet right now. Um, so
I don't think there's anyone in a
leadership position in the United States
government right now that thinks orbs
are man-made.
What is the prevailing consensus of what
they are? Are there like probes watching
us or
There's a few different opinions. Some
people think they're sensors from
somewhere else. They're like advanced
sensors, uh, probes. Um, some people
think they might be, as extraordinary as
it sounds, another form of life that has
existed alongside us and we just didn't
know about them. Um, and then some
people uh think that they are
transportation vehicles, that there's
actually something else inside them.
Yeah. Um, you know, in in in my film,
some of the leading scientists on this
reveal how they figured out they figured
out how UAP work and how they're
creating an immense amount of energy in
a localized area and they're creating
essentially a bub a bubble around a
craft and it allows them to operate the
way they do. Um, basically the bubble
separates the craft from the environment
around it. So our environment has no no
impact on it. That's why these things
can be transmedium. They can go from
space to air to water seamlessly. Um,
inside the bubble, they might be going
one speed, but to us it looks like
they're going another speed. Um, that
that technology also because of how much
energy it's giving off, it would make
the craft appear very bright. So,
some people have applied that same
thought to the orbs and and said, well,
maybe that's just the harnessing of an
immense amount of energy in a small
localized area. That's why we see this
bright orb, but inside it there might be
a craft that's 50 feet wide,
right?
Um there might be a being in there or it
might be something that no one no one's
well imagined.
There was a big mathematic. So to get a
bit more metaphysical um you know
recently we're sort of upsetting math
and and and the laws of physics by
saying you know 90% of the universe is
dark energy dark matter because you know
the the the gravity wasn't enough and
therefore if there's dark energy dark
matter then we go into quantum physics
and quantum computing which is there's
infinite possibilities and infinite
universes and all this stuff. Okay,
where I'm getting to is uh we're just
sort of coming out of the pond to look
at this stuff. Isn't there a school of
thought thinking that to go back to the
ma it's mathematically more possible
that we're in some sort of simulation
than than the only planet that's ever
sort of had evolution and water and
single cell amiebas and all this stuff.
Okay, there's there's one that's
interdimensional. It's there's there's
you know maybe they're humanoids from
the future. Maybe it's a sort they're
coming back in time maybe. So maybe
explain a little bit about that.
So I think one of the big questions once
you accept the fact that this is real
non-human life intelligent life exists
and has been here and most likely is
nonhuman in its present stage.
Yeah. Yeah. So once you accept that then
then origin where where are they from
becomes the next big question right um
I don't think there's anyone
uh alive who knows for sure the answer
to that but I think the the
the possibilities include
extraterrestrial obviously from some
other planet um
interdimensional is something that is
talked a lot about uh amongst people in
our in our military intelligence
community and government as a
possibility ility. Um, and then the
third, uh, being a another life form
that's existed here on Earth,
uh, the entire time and we just were not
aware. Um, which is totally a
possibility. So, we discover new things
about Earth all the time.
Well, to interrupt, I loved maybe the
most esoteric and weird guy that you had
in the documentary is the the head of
naval cgraphy of the of the
Oh, yeah. Admiral Tim Galedet. talked
about how um you know 70 something% of
the planet is ocean
and we have barely mapped um the the
bottom of our oceans. Uh he makes an
analogy. He says we've we've uh
we've um mapped the surface of the moon
in more detail than we have the surface
of our the bottom of our own oceans. And
and then he, you know, it closes his
point by saying, if I was a more
intelligent species from somewhere else
and I came here and I wanted to hide
from humanity, the most obvious place to
do it is in our oceans. And and that's
really interesting because a lot of the
activity is seen over our oceans. And
for 80 years, um, people have been
reporting seeing UAP coming in and out
of the ocean. and the technology
argument because it's like they can they
can go into the water and they can do
this and if they were conventional,
you know, it would it would displace X
amount of water or there's no way it
could do this or be
he can't keep the same speeds.
Can't keep the same speeds and all this
stuff. And so that's very
There's also reports of activity under
the water. Yeah. from submarine
commanders who, you know,
off the record tell people in the
intelligence community, you know,
something went by the submarine at 100
miles an hour. Um, we don't have
anything.
Yeah. Because they have the most
sophisticated sort of, you know, sensors
and and and listening devices. And
wasn't there a thing and you have to I
think uh he's a naval pilot and he said,
"Yeah, we swapped out our radar from
this."
Yeah. So the so so fighter pilots um in
the Navy specifically um this is about
10 years ago they upgraded their their
radar systems so they started seeing
more stuff on their radar
uh that they couldn't see before cuz
they didn't have the right tools to see
it right and from that point on it
became uh he I think the words he used
he said it became uh ubiquitous like
we're seeing these things every single
day and we're contending them with them
as like just
a set of circumstances that are there
all the time.
Yeah. And and you know that's another
interesting thing like you know as we
evolve technologically we we we we
create instruments and devices that
allow us to see things we couldn't see
before you know um and that's not just
about this topic it's all all topics
like that's how medical science works
too right we we we develop new tools and
they they they uh inform us of things we
didn't know about. Um, so it's highly
likely that we're dealing with an form
of of life that's been here all along.
There's full continents that we don't
even like
Antarctica. Antarctica is a giant
mystery box. It's an entire continent
that like is almost entirely locked off.
Like you can't you can't fly over huge
huge areas of it.
I have flown over it.
How many shots are you doing as we fly?
Each system has a laser that fires 3,000
laser shots per second. 3,000 laser
shots per second. So, it's pretty
accurate. Uh, it's extremely accurate
specifically for ice mapping. Wow.
There's not a lot in Antarctica. I'll
just say they are finding stuff
underneath the ice sheets now, which is
very interesting. They're finding out
all kinds of interesting
My point is there's lot there's lots of
undiscovered uh uncharted territory.
I agree with you. And the ocean the
ocean being because we can't go very far
down at all. Yeah. And obviously if we
spent the amount of money we're spending
to go to space on on going we could. But
in any case,
Congressman Carson talks about it in the
film too. Yeah.
And Congressman Carson was on the House
Intelligence Committee. He chaired the
first hearing on UAP
and he was on the House Committee on the
CIA.
Serious guy, great guy, very smart. And
in the film he talks about this
activity, this otherworldly activity
coming in and out of our oceans. and how
it it might it might lead to us learning
about a lot of life that exists down
there,
which why would we do that? Like it's a
lot of it is just logical. And to go
back to serious guys, I I met uh Clapper
who was the head of the
Yeah. General James Clapper.
Serious guy.
Very serious.
The opposite of what you would think of
as a you know, as a as a sort of
conspiracy theorist. The opposite. This
is a serious guy. Very impressed by him.
And he's in the documentary. Yeah, this
is the first time he's ever participated
in anything like this. Uh he told me he
thought it was really important to
participate and share what he could. Um
he was the head of Air Force
intelligence. He was the director of
national intelligence. Uh he was the
head of several other agencies. His
resume reads like a Marvel character.
It's just incredibly
successful, serious uh high level
intelligence career. And my last job in
the air force was chief air force
intelligence prior to becoming director
of the defense intelligence agency. When
I served in the air force uh there was
an active program to uh track anomalous
uh activities that uh you know we
couldn't otherwise explain. Many of them
connected with uh ranges out west
notably um Area 51. and um he on on on
camera admits that despite the Air Force
saying that they have had no involvement
in this uh this issue uh and pretending
like there's no there there he admits
that when he was the head of Air Force
intelligence they had an active program
to investigate UAP. Um
yeah, pretty big deal. And then he also
goes on the record and says that UAP
activity over Area 51 is real. Yeah.
And I thought that was really impactful
because for the average person, Area 51
is like the ultimate conspiracy. They
think it's like, you know, kooky to
this super serious guy saying, "No, no,
that's real."
What's the biggest surprise like you for
you personally that you're you go out
there again uh as just a regular person
who's who gets into it by being a
filmmaker and then all of a sudden
people are telling you their secrets.
People are telling you Area 51 is real.
People are telling you, "Oh yeah, the
the the the Air Force were lying. And by
the way, he's the head of the NSA." Like
you're sitting there going, "Okay, so
you you must have been given a lot of
information, secrets, etc. What's the
word? I don't want to say
as a headline, I would say it surprised
me how in sync everyone I talked to was
regardless of the fact that most of them
didn't know each other. right?
They had different ideological and
political belief systems, points of
view. Um, but in all my one-on ones,
they all were saying the same thing.
They were all completely in lock step.
Interesting.
And
notably, um,
it was extremely bipartisan from the
beginning. You know, we live in a time
where Republicans and Democrats in our
country can't really seem to agree on
anything, even if they're even if
they're family members, you know, and uh
you know, everyone argues over
everything, but this this is something
that the leadership of both parties are
taking extremely serious behind the
scenes.
I mean, I I had plenty of off the
records with Senate leadership, with
people within the White House, um senior
leaders within the intelligence
community.
None of them is questioning, not a
single person I met is questioning
whether this is real. They're all way
past that and and very much on the same
page about it being a very important
issue.
So, fate to complete. They were all, you
know, this is real. This is happening,
but let's move on.
Yeah.
Uh to to to what we should do about it.
Um we haven't gotten into the big one.
So, we got into like a lot of the
um
uh politicians and big names, right? We
got into legacy a bit, but what about
ATIP? Tell tell me a bit about that and
your two guys from there because they're
amaz both of them are great.
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, two of the
two of the, uh, main interview subjects,
um, a guy named Jay Stratton and a guy
named Lu Alzando. Um, Jay, uh, was
working as the head of air and space
warfare at the Defense Intelligence
Agency. His job was basically to know
every conventional aircraft that we are
ad our adversaries have in air, space
and water and um every technology not
just aircraft every technology and um
and to know what our black program so
more secretive than classified programs
are like most deeply hidden programs
have on the road map for the next 40
years and what our adversaries have on
their road map for the next 40 years so
that he could identify
anything that is seen in airspace or
water. That was his job, right? And one
day, one of his colleagues, a guy named
Dr. James Lowsky, walks into his office
and says, "I got to show you something."
Pulls him into a into a skiff and shows
him a video of a triangle craft hovering
over a missile site on a on a military
base, restricted airspace. And
his colleague is hoping that Jay can
tell him, you know, what this is. Maybe
it's one of our secret programs that's
like, you know, in a testing phase
and Jay knows right off the bat
that's nothing that we are even close to
building in the next 50 years and none
of our adversaries are. It's not that's
not from here. And so he goes all over
the place trying to find um a UFO
program. He just assumes there must be
one, right? And he went all over the
government, the military,
a UFO program that we run.
Yeah. Yeah. To to who like who handles
this stuff basically? like, you know,
this this isn't this isn't ours. Like,
what do we do with this, right? And so,
um, he couldn't find one. And to the
best of his his knowledge, um, there
hadn't been an actual government program
since the closure of the Air Force's
Project Blue Book, which was their
investigation in um, decades prior. Um,
we know in hindsight that was a a BS
thing. It was like stood up to make the
public think we're we're looking into
this. And then their conclusion was
there's nothing here. You don't have to
worry about it. and they kind of just
put the secrets back in a box and buried
it for decades more. Um, but to his
knowledge, there had not been any real
government investigation since since
then. So, him and his colleague Jim,
they started a new program called OAP.
And OAP got its funding from Senator
Harry Reid and some of some of his
colleagues. Senator Harry Reid was the
Senate Majority Leader at the time. He
really got behind them and helped get
funding.
He's in the film.
He's in the film, too. He got he got
funding for OAP appropriated and OAP was
the first government investigation of of
UAP since the project blue book uh
closure and um OAP had funding for a
couple years and then um along the way
the guys involved in OAP realized there
was this bigger deeper program that was
hidden the legacy program and that
program did not want OAP to exist and it
created a lot of bureaucratic issues for
them behind the scenes a lot of hurdles
for them and eventually long story short
OAP lost its funding and so
um Jay Stratton and and uh and some of
his colleagues decided to keep it going
in a bootstrapped unofficial effort and
um they called that ATIP um and uh and
and then Luzando got brought into ATIP
um and uh was was involved in in in in
in this effort to keep keep focus on
this and um yeah they they uh they
really pushed the ball forward
collectively and then they came up with
this plan to try to get Congress's
attention and get the public's
attention. Uh one of them would go
public and the other would stay behind
uh to move the ball forward whatever new
interest got captured by the guy going
public. And so uh they uh they
strategize and they plan this out and
and they talk about it in the
documentary. Uh Luzando went public in a
very big way
and he got attacked.
He he got he got a lot of attack and a
lot of push back u when he went public.
Uh the disinformation campaign we talked
about earlier is real and very strong
and
ridicule. Lot of lot of uh you know
disinformation headlines targeting him,
trying to undermine him. But in the end
he did a ton of mainstream press uh Fox,
CNN, like all over the place. and it and
it and it started to get on the radar of
Congress in a real way like they they
they see those news shows just like we
do and their family and their wives and
kids and and so um it it it the mission
was accomplished basically it it it made
this all public and then all of a sudden
Congress was paying attention to it in a
way they hadn't before and they have a
million questions and they directed
their questions at Jay who stayed you
know stayed inside government. So, this
like it was like a two-handed plan. Um,
that worked great. And and and then Jay
was tasked with putting together the
biggest whole of government
investigation ever, which was the UAP
task force. The Secretary of Defense and
head of naval intelligence um instructed
him to go build this. So for two years
he quietly built this behind the scenes
and got um every single one of the
federal agencies and branches of the
military to join the task force and and
provide a couple representatives or one
or two representatives and he built this
whole of government investigation. Uh
and then that was finally announced in
- Um and he was named the director
announced as the director. Um, and then
that program actually got the same push
back behind the scenes from the legacy
program and the gatekeepers of the truth
and the UAP task force also lost its
funding eventually. And in fact, um, it
wasn't lost it, it never actually got
its appropriate funding.
There's been many, um, programs uh, to
investigate and many efforts to
investigate. Um, and yeah, uh, you know,
Jay and Lou are, uh, are are two of the
main guys in the dock and, uh, played
played key roles in this disclosure
process. So to go as a springboard for
that
um you know as a journalist I'm I'm
starting to do this and as I did my
first one with Jeremy Corbals shout out
to Jeremy I had half the community
saying hey Shane great new and then push
back and stuff and as it gets bigger and
bigger you get more weird comments in
your in your thing. But if we were going
to do a multi-part series, what should
we investigate? Like the phenomenon,
government secrecy, defense contractors,
China whistleblowers, like when you're
doing this, what do you really say, hey,
somebody should investigate that or you
know, we got to really look at this or
if there is going to be disclosure,
something has to happen here.
The power that defense contractors hold
over the situation needs to be put under
a magnify.
Great point.
you know um you know in the film in the
documentary when Rubio talks about how
defense contractors have gotten
a lot of um
unchecked power in this situation uh we
inter we we cut from that to
Eisenhower's famous uh speech about the
power of the military-industrial complex
we must car guard against the
acquisition of unwarranted influence
whether sought or unsought by the
militaryindustrial complex.
He says that the ability exists and will
persist for defense contractors to the
military-industrial complex to get more
power than the uh elected officials. And
uh he's basically warning the nation of
we're on a path to get to a a point
where there's a problem. And Rubio is in
the documentary articulating we we got
there.
We're here.
We're there. We're we're at the place
Eisenhower warned us we would get to if
something didn't change. And so um that
is something that needs to be put under
a magnifying glass. Yeah.
Um
we were just in Africa at the largest
war games there and was it Northup Gman
or who was it? take Locky Locky Martin
and they have a an AI laser system that
can it looks like it's from the future
and it can detect it can detect uh up to
a thousand or many thousands of drones
and shoot them down with lasers and
you're like
where are we getting these? I mean I
mean it's it's it's uh it's the future
and I you know when you brought that up
I'm like defense contractors. Anyway,
sorry to interrupt, but keep I would
definitely focus in there and
and then this technology race that we're
in with adversarial nations like China.
Yeah,
it's very real. It's very heightened and
um there's a lot at stake.
Last Friday, uh we we had scheduled a
podcast. You couldn't come because there
was a data dump. We have sort of a PDF
space that we build to to get um
documents in and then we could ask AI
questions about you know we can sort of
talk in the documents Adobe builds it
sweet is a fantastic tool for
journalists but um what has surprised
you if anything about what there's been
two dumps so far and there's I think
four more this summer what what of the
two dumps that have come out what has
surprised you or not surprised you or
what do you think
so the first in the first one which came
out on May 8th. Um
there was a lot of UAP videos, there's
some im photos. The thing that was the
most meaningful for me was there was a a
still image from the 1972 Apollo mission
to the moon. And you can see what looks
like a structured triangle craft, three
points hovering over the moon. And I had
heard that this image existed uh from
some of my interview subjects. Uh they
had seen it. Um Jay Stratton was shown
this image at NASA when he was when he
was running the UAP task force. Um I you
know I had heard from multiple people
that this exists that there's there's
evidence of a triangle craft over the
moon in 1972. And um
before that release of evidence on May
8th, the White House in their attempt to
find where all the evidence sits, they
went to people like Jay Stratton and
asked, "Is there some stuff you can
point me to?" And that's actually one of
the things that he pointed them to and
they were able to get it out of NASA and
uh they released it.
So hold on, hold on. That's like Buzz
Aldridge or somebody takes a picture of
a
No, it was it was it was from the camera
on the lunar module.
Oh wow. And um people at NASA and people
at the UAP task force involved in the UP
task force, they asked all the obvious
questions like let's can we rule out
lens flare? Can we rule out a camera
effect? All they they did tons of work
ruling all that stuff out.
And they concluded that no, that's a
real thing
that was there and caught in the frame.
Wow.
Of course, we live in a time where, you
know, people are so ADD and they're
seeing a million things on their social
media scrolls. like that that doesn't
register as significant as it is, you
know. So, I' I've made a point of
bringing attention to it interviews and
actually there's
this wasn't released, but I I I learned
from the people who analyzed the photo
that when you change um the contrast on
the image, you can find there's actually
another triangle in the same frame.
Wow.
Interestingly, triangle crafts have been
seen all over the place. As I told you
in that story, that was the first the
first video Jay Stratton saw that led to
the creation of OAP.
Um was a triangle craft over a
restricted missile silo on a military
base. Um
so these triangle crafts have been
around a long time. Um, another thing
that was really notice uh significant
for me in the in this last drop uh 4
days ago,
there was information uh released
revealing that there's an active FBI
investigation at a specific site in the
US that's having reoccurring UAP
activity and FBI agents are seeing it
with their own eyes and and recording it
on a daily basis. And I know from my own
relationships within the FBI that that's
super real and that it's um there are
boots there are boots on the ground like
actual FBI agents at this site every
day. They have a command post set up and
they're seeing this stuff with their own
eyes and they're filming it.
So it's pretty extraordinary that they
uh release some information making it
clear that this this is happening. Uh
that was 4 days ago. And then um that
memo I mentioned earlier from 1948 um
from the head of naval operations about
an increase in UAP activity and
instructing the entire NA naval force to
be on the lookout that was released in
this last drop. Um there also four days
ago there was another there was a an
image a photo not a photo sorry a
drawing uh um
portraying what these witnesses saw of
like a tic-tac-shaped UFO where kind of
looks like a potato or a tic tac um over
Cheyenne Mountain um military base in
Colorado Springs. Super secretive
military base. It's like it's the
alternative command post for NORAD. Um,
Nor is now at uh Pearson, I think. Um,
it's the alternative command post for
Northern Command. It's it's a, you know,
a significant bunker if there's ever,
you know, giant war. Um, you know, it's
a very significant secretive base and
five very credible military witnesses
all saw this with their own eyes. They
didn't have um their phones on them, so
they couldn't record it. So, they
described it to an artist who drew that
image that was released. But the but the
report of this and the credibility of
the witnesses was released in this last
evidence drop.
To go back to they didn't have their
phones on them. The there's all kinds of
footage in in your film. There's all
kinds of footage in the world of
military footage, old footage,
photos,
you know, sensors, radar, all these
things. But like now where everyone has
a, you know, iPhone 17 that does three
cameras or whatever, there's no there's
no great footage.
Yeah.
But one of the things explained in the
film, the the scientists in my film
explain when they explain how this
technology works, how they figured it
out, that warp bubble that they
described as being created around the
craft that separates it from our
environment,
it it creates um a barrier that also
makes it hard to take a photo. So, like
the analogy that people used with me
was, you know, you could take an
underwater camera and go underwater and
take pictures of fish and get it clear,
but if you try taking that a photo of
them from above the water through a
different medium, it's not going to work
out. It's going to be all distorted and
and and exactly like the UAP videos we
we get, right? Because you're literally
taking a photo through a space-time
barrier, basically. Um, so it's like
trying to take pictures of koiish uh uh
in the water from above above the water.
Yes. all distorted and weird and wacky
looking. So, you know, now some some of
the uh video evidence that exists that
I've been told about that is still
classified
is uh very clear. And so what what the
uh what they what what the people in
intelligence community presume is that
that that bubble around the craft was
turned off in that moment,
right? And so they got clear clear
images.
Crashing
another controversial thing. If they're
so far advanced and the technology is so
good, how do we find the crashes and why
do they crash and
Yeah. So that's that's a common that's a
common question and and and the answer
is any advanced technology has room for
error first of all. Um second um there's
there's a belief that the in the
intelligence community and most people I
I interviewed that there might be
circumstances that humanity has created
that have led to those crashes. So um
atomic testing for example um maybe it's
as simple as that that bubble that
surrounds the craft. Maybe you can knock
a craft out of that bubble with the
right circumstances.
And isn't there a part of the film where
they say that there's a there's some
theories that they could be gifts like
Yeah. There's also there's also, you
know, help Dr. Halpudof talks about the
fact that some of the craft that have
been recovered weren't crashes. They
were just found outside military bases.
Like they were placed there like they
were given to us as a gift. And
when when thinking about what the
intention could be, um Dr. Pudof
suggests that maybe um
maybe they're trying to help move our
technological progress along. Um if if
we assume that gifts are also being
given to adversarial nations, maybe it's
a giant IQ test and a to you know a race
to the finish line. Who knows? Um but it
it's a wild fact that some of these have
not actually been crashes. Some of these
recoveries, they've just been left
there.
We got to answer these questions, which
means more disclosure.
Yeah.
The film is The Age of Disclosure.
Number one on Prime. The producer, the
director, the man, the machine, Danfire.
Thank you for spending time. I want to
keep it open cuz I want This is going to
keep going on. This is the age of
disclosure.
It's pretty good. Pretty good.
We got you. You You do it.
No, I can't do it. I can't do it. I
can't do it.
Uh,
I'm too tonedeaf. Plus, I can't. And
John Williams is like the the greatest
the greatest the greatest the great but
I grew up in the same era. I grew up
with that uh you know ET and and and
Close Encounters and now we have to go
see Disclosure Day. We'll see what
happens there.
It's a great great great pleasure. Thank
you buddy and uh congratulations on the
film.
Everybody go see it.
Thank you.
Bango.
Appreciate it.
All right.
Awesome.
Perfect. You were perfect.
Good talk. We could spend five hours.