Sean Cahill on The Alien Perspective — NewsNation Reality Check (2025)

Source: YouTube (NewsNation) — "Sean Cahill on how 'The Alien Perspective' and the Tic-Tac incident are related | Reality Check," hosted by Ross Coulthart. URL: https://youtu.be/snh9fuTV-IA (~57 min). Guest: Sean Cahill, retired US Navy Master-at-Arms/Senior Chief, a witness aboard the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz Tic-Tac encounters — discussing Dean Alioto's two-part documentary The Alien Perspective (2025). Transcription: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps (machine ASR; minor errors, incl. "Nimmits"=Nimitz, "Sha Cahill"=Sean Cahill). Captured: 2026-06-07. Analysis: ../../sources/alien-perspective-documentary.

A freely-available primary on the (paywalled) documentary: Cahill and host Coulthart discuss the film's "from the visitors' perspective" framing and its connection to the Nimitz/Tic-Tac case (radar chief Kevin Day's USS Princeton tracks; the corkscrew descent).

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[00:00:05.759] Good day and welcome back to Reality
[00:00:08.800] Check. I'm your host, Ross Coulter, and
[00:00:11.440] today I've got a very interesting story
[00:00:13.840] about a new two-part documentary, The
[00:00:17.119] Alien Perspective, made by filmmaker
[00:00:19.920] Dean Aliatoto. and he's joined today by
[00:00:23.359] an old friend of mine, Sha Cahill, who's
[00:00:26.560] the former master at arms on the USS
[00:00:30.240] Princeton, one of the witnesses to the
[00:00:33.000] extraordinary 2004 USS Nimtt's battle
[00:00:37.280] fleet incident of UFOs, reigning UFOs,
[00:00:41.440] as my friend Kevin Day has described.
[00:00:44.320] Welcome to Reality Check, gentlemen.
[00:00:46.320] Lovely to have you here. Great to be
[00:00:48.480] here. Happy to see you. So Dean, let's
[00:00:51.440] tell me first what's the idea behind The
[00:00:54.559] Alien Perspective? What are you trying
[00:00:56.239] to achieve with this film? I understand
[00:00:58.399] it's on Apple TV in two parts. Tell me
[00:01:01.600] all about it. And Amazon. Um so the idea
[00:01:06.400] came about because um I had made this
[00:01:08.560] film many years ago, 37 years ago, right
[00:01:11.280] out of film school, uh called the
[00:01:12.799] McFerson tape, which was a the first
[00:01:14.960] found footage film. And it was about a
[00:01:16.640] family being abducted because I'd read
[00:01:18.159] the book Communion. Scared the crap out
[00:01:19.920] of me more than any Stephen King novel.
[00:01:21.759] And so I made Can I Can I stop you there
[00:01:24.159] because I'm so pleased you started with
[00:01:26.080] the McFersonen tape because I know your
[00:01:29.119] work on the McFersonen tape and I
[00:01:31.040] rewatched it last night and it's still
[00:01:33.520] scary. Um, but but but what really blew
[00:01:36.799] me away about that film was you managed
[00:01:39.119] to I mean it was kind of for me whilst I
[00:01:42.799] enjoyed the fact that it was such a you
[00:01:45.520] know an an incredibly persuasive film
[00:01:48.159] that it was authentic footage. It was
[00:01:50.159] kind of like Blair Witch Project. What
[00:01:52.560] really kind of upset me a little bit was
[00:01:54.960] that that people were fooled. Like Tom
[00:01:57.040] Dongo, one of the old eminent screes of
[00:02:00.240] UFO researchers was fooled and uh I I
[00:02:03.520] think I've forgotten his name. There was
[00:02:04.799] a lieutenant Don Wear. Yeah. I I felt
[00:02:08.640] very sad that they were essentially
[00:02:10.760] tricked. Tell me though the context.
[00:02:13.120] What was the what was the fallout from
[00:02:15.040] the McFersonen film? Sure. So, I made
[00:02:17.520] this film and uh because it was 10 years
[00:02:20.000] before the Blair Witch, it was looked
[00:02:21.440] upon as being this weird kind of
[00:02:24.080] avantguard piece of crap to be honest
[00:02:26.400] because you got people talking over each
[00:02:28.080] other. You have uh long takes um very
[00:02:31.920] much the the tropes now today in film
[00:02:34.480] footage. Well, I made this thing and
[00:02:37.200] then um it got distributed miraculously,
[00:02:39.760] but then a month later the distribution
[00:02:41.920] company uh I called them to say, "Hey,
[00:02:44.480] how is the movie doing? How's it
[00:02:45.840] selling?" And he goes, "Oh, it's up in
[00:02:47.680] flames." And I went, "Yes, that's great.
[00:02:49.760] How many units do we sell VHS?" And he
[00:02:52.400] says, "Uh, no, mate. It's gone." As in
[00:02:55.840] up in flames. Our warehouse burned to
[00:02:58.000] the ground. So your master gone, your
[00:03:00.879] artwork gone. And so I thought, well,
[00:03:03.680] that's the film god saying, "Nice try,
[00:03:05.680] kid. Move on." And so I did. And then
[00:03:08.879] five years later, I get a call from some
[00:03:11.280] guy that just came from the
[00:03:12.400] International UFO Congress convention
[00:03:14.400] where the film screen without any
[00:03:16.879] credits. And so we reverse engineered
[00:03:19.280] this and discovered that someone had
[00:03:22.000] edited off the credits and injected it
[00:03:23.840] to the UFO community because a few mom
[00:03:26.159] and pop video stores, which they used to
[00:03:27.920] have back then, got um an advanced
[00:03:30.519] screener. And so it ended up at at this
[00:03:33.200] international UFO Congress convention
[00:03:34.959] and it brought the house down. So this
[00:03:37.360] guy called to say Unsolved Mysteries
[00:03:39.440] Hard Copy and a Fox show called
[00:03:41.120] Encounters wanted to do a segment on
[00:03:42.879] this. And I said, "Well, I guess
[00:03:45.360] Unsolved Mysteries is out." And this guy
[00:03:48.239] who who yeah, he's I'm not that's a
[00:03:50.640] whole other story. He said, "Well, not
[00:03:52.440] necessarily." And I said, "Yeah, it's
[00:03:54.400] called Unsolved, not Solved Mysteries,
[00:03:56.239] so we'll go on this Fox show." And we
[00:03:58.080] did this thing. And so I think I'm the I
[00:04:00.879] guess I'm the first filmmaker to ever
[00:04:02.319] debunk my own film because of that very
[00:04:04.319] reason, Ross, which is I didn't want to
[00:04:06.400] have this on the plate of serious UFO
[00:04:08.879] researchers. So I did everything I
[00:04:10.480] could. I posted pictures when the
[00:04:12.080] internet hit of behind the scenes,
[00:04:14.159] everything, and just said, "Look, this
[00:04:15.920] is an example of what might happen if
[00:04:18.560] this goes down, but this is not the real
[00:04:20.959] thing." And I brought actors out from
[00:04:22.800] the film, everything.
[00:04:24.800] It's funny, you know, because I I was
[00:04:26.639] really thinking about how to come
[00:04:27.919] through into this interview today
[00:04:29.440] because I was actually going to raise
[00:04:31.199] the McFersonen film because I was really
[00:04:33.440] confronted by it. I rewatched it last
[00:04:35.440] night and I watched the episode you're
[00:04:37.040] talking about on um the TV show and it's
[00:04:41.440] interesting because at the heart of the
[00:04:43.360] issue for euphology at the moment there
[00:04:45.520] is a dilemma. There's too much emphasis,
[00:04:48.000] I think, being placed on f frankly
[00:04:50.639] vision, crap crap video that
[00:04:53.600] that people send me. I get hundreds of
[00:04:56.240] videos a day. People haven't done any
[00:04:59.520] checks, any prosaic checks to see
[00:05:01.759] whether or not the the video might be
[00:05:03.680] explainable away prosaically. And it's a
[00:05:07.120] big issue because with AI these days,
[00:05:09.199] it's just so easy to fake to to forge
[00:05:12.800] genuine looking, authentic looking UFO
[00:05:15.479] vision. What do we do about that? Isn't
[00:05:17.759] that a big dilemma for the whole subject
[00:05:19.600] matter? Well, I go online and I kind of
[00:05:22.479] um am that debunker um in the sense if
[00:05:25.919] it's bunk, I'm going to underscore it
[00:05:28.000] and do that because I have a little bit
[00:05:30.080] of savviness doing special effects on
[00:05:32.479] films where I can see where like the
[00:05:34.160] frame rate is off or whatever, but it's
[00:05:35.759] it's proliferated to the point where
[00:05:38.560] it's just this this onslaught
[00:05:40.400] bombardment. And so my my feeling is
[00:05:43.280] that I thought which was the reason why
[00:05:46.000] I actually made this this the first
[00:05:48.160] documentary the perspective part one was
[00:05:51.280] I got invited for the 25th anniversary
[00:05:53.840] to go back to the international UFO
[00:05:55.600] Congress convention and to present you
[00:05:58.960] know they have like these 75minute TED
[00:06:00.639] talks essentially and I said at first I
[00:06:03.039] go I'm not interested in that because I
[00:06:04.960] don't know how I'm going to be received
[00:06:07.120] because I take my work very serious but
[00:06:09.600] I don't take myself serious. and I feel
[00:06:11.360] like kind of the Forest Gump in all
[00:06:12.639] this. And he said, "No, no, no. They're
[00:06:14.240] great. Tons of levity. Don't worry about
[00:06:15.840] it." And I came and fell in love with
[00:06:17.600] the community. That was 2018. So, I've
[00:06:20.400] always been kind of an armchair proumer
[00:06:23.360] and then I became an armchair expert
[00:06:25.600] when because I've done documentaries for
[00:06:27.280] A&E, Bravo, etc. I thought, boy, there's
[00:06:30.240] a real opportunity here to tap into the
[00:06:33.039] UFO community and and and serious
[00:06:36.800] experiencers as well as accredited
[00:06:38.880] people from Oxford and get Mitchio Kau
[00:06:41.520] because I've done science docs, I can
[00:06:43.120] pull these people in and have them talk
[00:06:44.960] even as a hypothetical about this. And
[00:06:47.440] so, the one thing that I knew that I had
[00:06:49.280] to do because we've seen so many UFO
[00:06:51.120] docs, Ross, you've seen tons, is to
[00:06:53.919] present it in a way that hasn't been
[00:06:56.080] done before. And what I do as a
[00:06:57.919] filmmaker is I look and see what
[00:06:59.680] everyone's doing. Then I do the
[00:07:00.800] opposite. In this case, all the UFO docs
[00:07:04.080] out of necessity are all told from the a
[00:07:06.639] from the human's perspective. I
[00:07:08.639] consulted on James Fox as the phenomenon
[00:07:10.720] and and believe in that. However, I
[00:07:13.039] thought, what if you did this as a
[00:07:14.960] hypothetical? What could be gleaned from
[00:07:16.880] this looking at it from the aliens
[00:07:19.160] perspective? So, that was the thesis and
[00:07:21.840] that set me off on a seven-year journey.
[00:07:24.400] um 66 interviews and four countries
[00:07:27.840] later um it's you know time to get it
[00:07:30.960] out there and um it's it's pretty wild
[00:07:33.360] because I'm serving two two masters. One
[00:07:35.520] is the UFO community who know everything
[00:07:37.599] and then the other is to get people who
[00:07:39.360] are kind of by UFO curious and come on
[00:07:41.759] board and say we're going to start at
[00:07:43.440] NASA we'll go easy but then we're going
[00:07:45.199] to go hardcore and that spans over two
[00:07:47.680] films. The first one is out the second
[00:07:49.520] one drops June 1st. Now, one of the
[00:07:52.160] incidents of course that you talk about
[00:07:53.759] is the the USS Nimmits battlefleet
[00:07:56.319] incident that took place in 2004, which
[00:07:58.960] is of course is one of the definitive
[00:08:02.400] UFO UAP incidents where for the first
[00:08:05.840] time you had multiple sensor systems,
[00:08:08.879] multiple gradea human eyeballs on these
[00:08:12.319] objects giving definitive witness
[00:08:14.280] statements, credible statements, and
[00:08:16.800] more importantly, you had phased array
[00:08:18.560] radar systems. And one of those eyeballs
[00:08:21.199] was you, Sean. Uh I think you were
[00:08:23.360] standing on the bridge of the USS
[00:08:24.960] Princeton as Kevin Day was was calling
[00:08:28.240] in what they were seeing on the uh on
[00:08:30.319] the screens. Can you talk me through
[00:08:31.840] that? That's correct. Uh over the course
[00:08:35.039] of a week back in 2004, I was stationed
[00:08:37.519] on board the USS Princeton as the chief
[00:08:39.360] master at arms. Uh Kevin was calling me
[00:08:42.880] up on the bridge and we were
[00:08:44.000] coordinating ship movements to aid him
[00:08:46.320] in in focusing the radar, pointing it in
[00:08:48.320] certain directions and keeping the uh
[00:08:50.480] the watch officers eyes on the skies for
[00:08:53.200] for anomalies as he was detecting them
[00:08:55.279] on the radar. Uh it was an incredible
[00:08:57.760] week. Um and it it frankly in my opinion
[00:09:00.240] it's it's the case that Arrow and others
[00:09:02.160] should be focusing on absolutely uh
[00:09:05.440] laser focused on. We have the most
[00:09:07.440] information on it and we've probably
[00:09:08.800] heard the least about it from authority.
[00:09:12.240] So, what did you see?
[00:09:15.279] Well, over the course of that week, we I
[00:09:17.120] didn't see any radar contacts. I was
[00:09:18.880] responding to to Kevin's calls on the on
[00:09:22.320] the telephone, but at one point he had
[00:09:24.800] called up and very vehemently uh
[00:09:27.040] reiterated that he needed me to make
[00:09:28.720] sure all of my watch standards were
[00:09:30.320] scanning the skies for anomalous
[00:09:31.839] contacts. And so I'd went out and I'd
[00:09:34.240] walked around the deck and spoke
[00:09:35.440] personally to each of them and then went
[00:09:37.040] back up onto the portside bridge wing of
[00:09:39.040] the ship where I began scanning with my
[00:09:41.200] own binoculars. I was there with another
[00:09:42.959] sailor who was utilizing what we call
[00:09:44.560] the big eyes which are really just a
[00:09:46.240] very very large pair of stationary
[00:09:48.399] binoculars on the bridge. Both of us
[00:09:51.040] were scanning off the port side and as I
[00:09:52.880] scanned from the port uh beam up to the
[00:09:55.600] to the folks I saw five to seven lights
[00:09:58.560] up in the sky up in this this
[00:10:00.480] constellation and they started
[00:10:02.320] immediately one by one moving centrally
[00:10:04.800] towards the center and then blinking
[00:10:06.440] out. Um and I'd never seen anything like
[00:10:09.360] that at all. I'd spent years training
[00:10:12.720] people in use of flares, different
[00:10:14.320] weapon systems. I'd been exposed to all
[00:10:16.320] the different weapon systems we have,
[00:10:17.760] whether they're uh defensive or
[00:10:19.600] offensive, and I knew what I was looking
[00:10:21.040] at in the battle space. And I had never
[00:10:22.800] seen anything that closely packed
[00:10:24.560] maneuvering like that before. They were
[00:10:26.800] just white lights, but five to se five
[00:10:29.680] or seven of them. And as I say, I'm not
[00:10:31.200] exactly sure how many because they were
[00:10:32.720] moving, but each of them singularly, one
[00:10:34.880] at a time, circled into the center of
[00:10:36.800] this formation and then disappeared. I'd
[00:10:39.200] never seen anything like that. The
[00:10:41.279] following day in the morning when I woke
[00:10:43.360] up from uh from after the watch, uh we
[00:10:47.600] had the videos sent over from the USS
[00:10:50.240] Nimmits and it was the most incredible
[00:10:51.760] thing I'd ever seen. All of us were were
[00:10:53.680] familiar with what fleer pods and what
[00:10:55.839] infrared and and night vision looks like
[00:10:58.079] and all of the nomenclature on the
[00:10:59.680] screen and we knew that we were looking
[00:11:00.959] at something that was not in our
[00:11:02.760] arsenal. Um it had no wings. It had no
[00:11:05.680] propulsion systems. It was not giving
[00:11:07.360] off a proper heat signature like a
[00:11:09.120] normal aircraft and it maneuvered in a
[00:11:10.959] way on the on the video like we'd never
[00:11:13.600] seen before. And as we all know now, the
[00:11:15.920] corroborating uh evidence from the
[00:11:18.160] pilots and what they saw says that what
[00:11:20.560] we were dealing with that day were not
[00:11:22.880] human derived aircraft. So, put me into
[00:11:26.640] Dean's brain on that subject. What's the
[00:11:29.760] alien perspective on the Nimmits
[00:11:31.839] incident that we haven't got to date?
[00:11:37.519] me or Sean? Um, Sean or you? I'm really
[00:11:40.880] open to I'm I'm really open to both of
[00:11:42.800] you. Um, why don't you take this, Sean?
[00:11:46.320] When I I met Dean back in, I believe,
[00:11:48.399] 2018, he was one of the first people
[00:11:50.160] that I met in the UFO community. I was
[00:11:52.560] introduced to him by Luis Alzando at
[00:11:54.399] Comic-Con here in San Diego. Uh, we'd
[00:11:57.040] met up and did a little thing for um I
[00:12:00.000] believe Denovgeeek to promote um some
[00:12:02.959] some other stuff. I believe the the show
[00:12:05.200] unidentified that that I was appearing
[00:12:06.800] on with Luis. And in that in that
[00:12:10.560] evening, Dean had shown me that he I was
[00:12:13.279] so lucky that I had found someone that I
[00:12:15.279] that was of the same moral set, had the
[00:12:18.160] same ethics that I did, cared about
[00:12:19.760] people the same way that I did, and
[00:12:21.200] wanted to tell a true story about what
[00:12:23.920] we had experienced that night. Um, and
[00:12:26.639] on the in those surrounding days. And
[00:12:29.920] for me, what Dean brought to the table
[00:12:31.680] was a a a humanity, a piece of the
[00:12:35.040] connection that was missing from all of
[00:12:36.720] this, what was happening at the ground
[00:12:38.320] level for the people that are noticing
[00:12:40.320] and interacting with this phenomena when
[00:12:42.399] it occurs. And he told me that we were
[00:12:45.120] going to tell a different story, that we
[00:12:46.560] were going to talk about what we derived
[00:12:49.040] from that interaction. what could we
[00:12:51.440] what could we say about whatever this
[00:12:53.440] phenomena is whether it's alien or or
[00:12:55.920] some other um strange thing that we
[00:12:58.399] don't understand and from what I've seen
[00:13:01.519] from the work that he's done he really
[00:13:03.120] started to capture that in and I want to
[00:13:05.680] see more from him and I want to see more
[00:13:07.600] people talking about what happened at
[00:13:09.360] the ground level and then cooperating
[00:13:12.079] that information with the data we have
[00:13:14.320] gives us a much better picture of what
[00:13:16.000] people have experienced and what we may
[00:13:17.839] be dealing with that it doesn't seem
[00:13:19.839] like frankly the government is going to
[00:13:21.839] share that information with us right
[00:13:23.440] now.
[00:13:25.040] Can can I can I just get into your brain
[00:13:26.959] a little bit though because you and I
[00:13:28.399] have spoken before about how profound an
[00:13:31.279] experience this was for you and I think
[00:13:34.320] one of the things that interests me is
[00:13:37.760] this was quite a spiritual thing for you
[00:13:40.320] wasn't it this encounter it was a real
[00:13:42.160] wakeup can put put tell me if if we're
[00:13:45.440] looking at a film from the alien
[00:13:46.880] perspective if you like what do you
[00:13:48.399] think was the intention of whatever the
[00:13:50.800] the beings or the intelligent sentient
[00:13:54.800] creatures that might have been behind
[00:13:56.639] those objects. What was their intention
[00:13:59.040] that day in 2004?
[00:14:02.480] It's a very good question.
[00:14:04.839] Um, some people might ask why out of 400
[00:14:07.839] crew members or myself and and Kevin Day
[00:14:10.160] people that speak up about this. Not
[00:14:11.680] only there were other people that were
[00:14:13.240] involved. Um, in the past I was more
[00:14:15.839] reticent to discuss this, but C. Kevin
[00:14:17.760] and I are both two men who have been
[00:14:20.160] experiencing this phenomena for as long
[00:14:21.920] as we can remember. It goes all the way
[00:14:23.839] back to our childhoods. It intersects
[00:14:25.519] with numerous points in our lives and
[00:14:27.199] other people in our lives. And we've
[00:14:29.760] sought answers for
[00:14:31.399] this. Um, I don't have a good answer for
[00:14:35.440] it because I still think we're missing
[00:14:37.360] data on that event. But there seems to
[00:14:39.760] be something occurring that certain
[00:14:42.120] individuals, certain people are noticing
[00:14:44.639] things in the environment, whether
[00:14:47.000] they're whether they are their brains
[00:14:49.279] are operating on a different frequency.
[00:14:51.440] Um whether their state of mind has
[00:14:53.279] something to do with it, there's a great
[00:14:54.480] deal of data involved in that.
[00:14:57.000] Um it I have to say though if I if I'm
[00:15:00.880] going to be courageous in my answer that
[00:15:02.240] after all these years I do think there
[00:15:03.839] is something to the phenomenon that is
[00:15:05.519] trying to wake humanity up and trying to
[00:15:08.240] wake them up to an aspect of our
[00:15:10.320] existence that we're not paying
[00:15:12.000] attention to and something that is just
[00:15:15.760] incredibly important to our continued
[00:15:18.240] existence to pay attention to and to
[00:15:20.560] interface with. And I know it's
[00:15:22.000] confusing, especially when you have the
[00:15:24.079] military and the intelligence complex
[00:15:26.160] running point on this subject, but there
[00:15:29.279] does seem to be something involving
[00:15:30.880] consciousness and awareness that we need
[00:15:33.519] to to focus on, I believe. So Dean,
[00:15:37.360] let's talk about that because to me,
[00:15:39.680] it's I've always been struck with Sean.
[00:15:41.760] I've I've always admired your honesty
[00:15:43.839] and your cander, Sean, in speaking so
[00:15:46.800] openly about how profound that
[00:15:48.800] experience was for you. And I've always
[00:15:51.199] been intrigued by the fact that there
[00:15:53.040] were earlier experiences in your life
[00:15:55.199] that that may in fact be connected to
[00:15:57.440] the broader experience that you had with
[00:15:59.360] the phenomenon. What's your take on
[00:16:01.759] that, Dean? What do you think of the
[00:16:03.519] idea that essentially what the
[00:16:05.120] phenomenon is trying to do is twig make
[00:16:08.480] us make us aware of it in do something
[00:16:11.120] in our consciousness? Yeah, you know
[00:16:13.360] full well, Ross. I mean, uh, your book,
[00:16:15.759] Hide in Plain Sight, you know, this is a
[00:16:18.399] deep rabbit hole and when it grabs you,
[00:16:21.040] it pulls you in. I was expecting to do a
[00:16:23.279] film, a documentary that would be nine
[00:16:25.360] months of my time, 15 interviews, done.
[00:16:28.320] And then I go to NASA and I'm like, what
[00:16:30.959] is the protocol for when you guys
[00:16:33.120] actually find a civilization where you
[00:16:35.199] can see a light grid and cities and
[00:16:36.959] everything? And she got the giggles and
[00:16:39.040] I have this on camera. She has no idea
[00:16:41.360] what they do. There's no protocol at
[00:16:42.959] NASA for that. So then I have to go and
[00:16:44.959] find out. And as soon as you do that,
[00:16:46.800] it's this viral thing that keeps going
[00:16:49.120] and going. And so when I went to
[00:16:50.880] interview Sean, I I knew in my brain
[00:16:53.839] that I was going to be taking the Tic
[00:16:55.600] Tac incident and taking it outside of
[00:16:58.720] this footage that could be almost
[00:17:01.759] mistaken some of it for the game of
[00:17:03.600] Pong. you know, if you're as old as I
[00:17:05.760] am, you remember that little um disc
[00:17:08.400] going back and forth. And because I'm a
[00:17:10.720] little bit dyslexic and I'm a filmmaker
[00:17:12.480] because of that, probably because I'm a
[00:17:13.600] visual person, I wanted to present that
[00:17:15.839] where people could actually see it. And
[00:17:17.919] so that's when I went after this um uh
[00:17:21.280] this animator who's done films for
[00:17:23.280] Academy Award-winning films, Arvidstein,
[00:17:25.760] to actually reenact that. And so you get
[00:17:28.559] to see inside the the cocktail or
[00:17:30.919] cocktail cockpit of Commander Fraver.
[00:17:33.919] you get to see it from the Tic Tacs
[00:17:35.600] perspective. But getting back to your
[00:17:37.520] main question, when I went, can I just
[00:17:39.120] say congratulations on that by the way?
[00:17:41.200] It's a fantastic looking film. Um,
[00:17:43.600] beautifully shot, lush, gorgeous
[00:17:46.080] production. But I think some of the most
[00:17:48.240] exciting stuff for me was the animation.
[00:17:50.480] just to talk to what you do. It's when
[00:17:53.440] Dave Fraver, for example, is talking
[00:17:55.520] about how he he decided to he was in
[00:17:58.799] that tracking corkcrew with the tic tac
[00:18:01.840] as it was coming up to him and he was
[00:18:04.160] corkcrewing down and then he decided to
[00:18:07.120] turn on his wing and zoom across the
[00:18:09.360] clock face as they call it towards this
[00:18:11.840] object. And you show beautifully how
[00:18:14.720] literally the tic tacs right in front of
[00:18:17.120] his cockpit and then it just goes
[00:18:19.919] disappear. Well, I didn't want to do 3D.
[00:18:22.880] I wanted to do 2D. It's all handdrawn.
[00:18:24.880] It's it's like really exceptional work.
[00:18:28.000] But, but when I put that together, um,
[00:18:31.919] it all starts with the interviews,
[00:18:33.360] right? And so, when I interviewed Sean,
[00:18:35.520] I thought I'm going to get kind of the
[00:18:36.960] logistics of this, but because I've
[00:18:38.240] worked on crime shows for 20 years, I
[00:18:40.480] tend to go a little bit deeper because I
[00:18:42.000] want to talk about how it affected them.
[00:18:44.160] What is the takeaway? Not just that
[00:18:46.240] moment, but the residual effect like you
[00:18:48.320] had asked Sean about that. How does that
[00:18:49.919] affect you? And that blew my socks off.
[00:18:52.880] I mean, first of all, Sean is an
[00:18:54.240] extremely articulate person, has a great
[00:18:56.640] vocabulary when it comes to describing
[00:18:58.640] anything uh and and can concisely
[00:19:02.080] condense what it is that he felt. And so
[00:19:04.640] when I was talking to him, it it became
[00:19:07.280] this thing where both of us got a little
[00:19:08.880] emotional as we were walking through
[00:19:11.440] this. um this affected him on so many
[00:19:15.200] levels and it wasn't just bam here you
[00:19:17.520] go here's the brain dump it was this
[00:19:19.919] timereleas thing and so when I hear
[00:19:22.080] people say you know oh experience or
[00:19:24.320] this or that I'm going you do know that
[00:19:26.480] experiencers aren't just people who are
[00:19:29.280] taken abductees there are people who are
[00:19:32.480] connecting that is an experience and so
[00:19:35.520] the levels that Sean is comfortable with
[00:19:37.440] with with sharing which he did in the
[00:19:39.760] film and and now you know personally
[00:19:42.480] is is a real testament to someone that
[00:19:44.799] is experiencing something that is a
[00:19:47.000] communion as as Whitley would say with
[00:19:50.400] higher intelligence. And why is that
[00:19:52.240] happening? Can I ask you this? How many
[00:19:55.360] because you did a phenomenal job going
[00:19:57.360] around the world talking to some of the
[00:19:58.799] more interesting people on the UAP
[00:20:00.720] issue, particularly a lot of UAP
[00:20:02.880] experiences.
[00:20:04.640] How many of the UAP experiences that
[00:20:08.000] you've interviewed have had the same
[00:20:10.480] experiences, Sean, where yes, they've
[00:20:14.080] had this one incident, be it the Ariel
[00:20:16.320] incident or the Rendlessham incident,
[00:20:18.160] but it always turns out in a large
[00:20:20.640] percentage of these cases when they look
[00:20:23.039] back in their family history, there's
[00:20:25.440] there's something there. It might be a
[00:20:28.159] granny who saw spirits or it might be a
[00:20:30.320] grandfather who saw a UFO when he was in
[00:20:32.400] the World War II. How often did you have
[00:20:34.559] that experience when you were doing the
[00:20:36.159] research? Well, I have to caveat this.
[00:20:38.799] Um, but
[00:20:40.280] first, most of them. Um, there was some
[00:20:43.760] traces of this in in their past. Um, I
[00:20:47.919] say caveat because I'm not an
[00:20:50.799] experiencer that I'm aware of. My mother
[00:20:52.880] saw a UFO in the Bay Area off off the
[00:20:56.080] water. She saw it looked like it came
[00:20:57.360] out of the water. She thought it was a
[00:20:58.720] boat or submarine or something. It was
[00:21:00.240] dusk. came up and then paused and then
[00:21:02.080] took off like it smeared the sky. I've
[00:21:04.480] been wanting to see this since I was a
[00:21:05.919] kid and and so Ivonne Smith who has been
[00:21:09.440] gracious enough to let me go to um a
[00:21:13.200] abductee or experiencer support groups
[00:21:15.360] and I've gone to a few in fact I'm one
[00:21:17.280] of the only filmmakers who's been
[00:21:18.400] allowed to film there and that's a whole
[00:21:19.919] other documentary that I'll hopefully
[00:21:21.440] come back on your show and tell you
[00:21:23.039] about. She said, I said to her, I go,
[00:21:25.200] "Why am I doing this?" Because I've been
[00:21:26.640] at this for seven years now, and it's
[00:21:28.880] got such a pull on me. And sometimes
[00:21:30.799] when I'm editing, I feel this like rush,
[00:21:33.200] this energy almost like, you know, the
[00:21:35.120] hair back of my neck stands up. And I
[00:21:37.840] said, "But I've come through my past. I
[00:21:39.440] have no memory, missing time, etc." And
[00:21:41.679] she laughed at me and said, "Dean, they
[00:21:44.880] don't have to knock on your door to
[00:21:47.280] connect with you." Which was both kind
[00:21:49.679] of scary and revealing. And so when I
[00:21:52.799] talk to these experiencers, um, I want
[00:21:56.000] to know that I want to know what
[00:21:58.400] happened in your childhood. Did you
[00:22:00.480] always were you always interested in
[00:22:02.000] this? And it doesn't really kind of it's
[00:22:04.799] kind of like this memory that gets joged
[00:22:06.559] when they have it as an adult. It's
[00:22:08.320] like, hey, remember us? And and I'm
[00:22:11.600] curious to hear Sean talk about that
[00:22:13.360] some more. But you inevitably there is
[00:22:16.400] something that happened. And I don't
[00:22:17.679] know if it's because again they're
[00:22:19.280] chosen or they're open to it. I think
[00:22:20.960] that might be it. But Sean, can I ask
[00:22:23.200] you did I I don't want to put you on the
[00:22:25.440] spot because you don't have to talk
[00:22:26.720] about it if you don't want to, but what
[00:22:28.640] were the kind of early experiences and
[00:22:30.640] senses that you had as a child before
[00:22:32.880] the whole USS Princeton incident?
[00:22:36.480] There were some that were very uh as a
[00:22:38.400] very young child. Um we had an incident
[00:22:41.360] around Christmas uh where my sister had
[00:22:43.360] come into my room and I was there was
[00:22:45.679] something on the roof. I was convinced
[00:22:47.679] uh it was Santa Claus. And she told me
[00:22:50.080] it was Santa Claus, but she was very she
[00:22:52.960] was incredibly frightened. She was
[00:22:54.480] absolutely terrified. And we ended up
[00:22:57.200] spending the whole night in my room. I
[00:22:58.799] must have been five or six years old. Um
[00:23:01.280] and we ended up against the door to my
[00:23:03.760] room on the floor with me kind of in a
[00:23:05.600] in a headlock hug that she had put me
[00:23:08.159] in. And as embarrassing as it is, I
[00:23:10.960] remember wetting my pants trying to get
[00:23:13.280] away from her um because I wanted to see
[00:23:16.000] Santa Claus and she was crying.
[00:23:19.400] Um there were events surrounding that
[00:23:22.080] that Christmas that were so strange that
[00:23:25.720] um I I have to attribute it to the
[00:23:28.240] phenomenon. in in years uh later years
[00:23:31.919] uh in high school, I was involved in
[00:23:34.559] something with a couple of friends where
[00:23:36.720] we had all seen a very um a beautiful
[00:23:39.919] meteor, just a giant green football
[00:23:42.400] moving slowly across the sky and
[00:23:44.880] spitting out these sparks out of the
[00:23:46.799] back that looked like it was from a a an
[00:23:49.679] old 1920s um Buck Rogers film. It
[00:23:52.799] looked, frankly, it looked ridiculous.
[00:23:55.360] And my memory of that was that we went
[00:23:58.240] back to my house and wrote songs for the
[00:24:00.960] band that night and talked about seeing
[00:24:02.720] that and kind of all separated and wrote
[00:24:05.120] it down and and that was it and moved
[00:24:07.360] on. And years after meeting Luis uh
[00:24:10.159] Alzando and and kind of sitting down and
[00:24:12.720] going back through my memories, I called
[00:24:14.320] those two friends up and they said they
[00:24:16.159] had a completely different memory of the
[00:24:17.679] evening where we had driven up to Mount
[00:24:19.840] Hamilton Observatory chasing after this
[00:24:22.400] thing. um and that I had exited the car
[00:24:26.000] and interacted with blue orbs in the
[00:24:28.480] parking lot of the Hamilton Observatory
[00:24:30.320] while they hid in the car. And I have no
[00:24:33.279] memory of that. Um and that that
[00:24:36.400] probably if anything bothers me more,
[00:24:38.559] but even in the years after Tic Tac, um
[00:24:42.720] I witnessed a a incredibly large black
[00:24:45.360] triangle come over my house, which was
[00:24:48.799] definitely not a prisa bomber that we
[00:24:50.799] I've guarded the B2. I've been
[00:24:52.159] underneath it. I've I've been around
[00:24:54.799] them constantly. It was certainly not a
[00:24:56.480] B2 or even any of its successors that
[00:24:58.799] might still be classified.
[00:25:01.799] And more so than that, I have to say
[00:25:04.159] that after meeting of the persons that
[00:25:07.279] were involved in these programs that
[00:25:09.120] ended up evolving into the UAPF and
[00:25:11.520] evolving into Arrow and many of the
[00:25:13.840] whistleblowers that are that are
[00:25:16.000] currently out, um the hitchhiker effect
[00:25:19.600] that that is described is a very real
[00:25:22.360] thing.
[00:25:24.039] And for a year or two after first
[00:25:27.679] getting involved in this community and
[00:25:29.520] and in this research and spending so
[00:25:32.080] much time thinking about this subject
[00:25:35.159] um phenomena began to manifest in and
[00:25:38.159] around my home where my family was
[00:25:40.240] witnessing it as well. And that was
[00:25:41.760] really hard for them because they're not
[00:25:44.480] focused on this subject interested. It's
[00:25:46.400] a peripheral thing in their life like it
[00:25:48.159] is for most people. And so it was very
[00:25:50.080] strange for my family to see these
[00:25:51.840] things happening and not
[00:25:53.480] understand. So it's funny. I was funny.
[00:25:56.000] I I was just thinking as you were
[00:25:57.279] talking to me then about how Lou and Jen
[00:25:59.919] Alzando have had similar experiences in
[00:26:02.400] their home. And um I when I did an
[00:26:05.279] interview with Lou last year for his
[00:26:07.200] book um you know he's still a little bit
[00:26:10.159] shy about talking about some of those
[00:26:12.400] experiences and I can understand why
[00:26:14.400] because they just sound completely
[00:26:16.640] offthe-wall. you know, some of them he's
[00:26:19.200] given me permission to say that we've
[00:26:20.880] had experiences together while at his
[00:26:23.520] home uh that my family was also present
[00:26:26.240] for and witnessed and and videotaped
[00:26:29.360] things that others uh believe they've
[00:26:31.679] debunked, but at this point we still we
[00:26:34.240] still certainly have not and we're all
[00:26:36.080] rather educated on the subject. I mean,
[00:26:37.919] I was a crash accident investigator as
[00:26:40.320] part of my duties in the Navy for
[00:26:42.000] aircraft, and I I know what aircraft
[00:26:45.200] look like, especially on high definition
[00:26:47.039] video that I've taken myself that I was
[00:26:48.720] present for. So,
[00:26:51.000] um it's very strange. There there's a
[00:26:53.679] familial aspect for me as well. My
[00:26:55.440] father was a a World War II Foo Fighters
[00:26:57.760] witness while the waste gunner and radio
[00:26:59.840] operator on a B7. Ah, this does my head.
[00:27:02.880] I'm amazed. I'm amazed how often this
[00:27:06.000] runs in a family. Uh I mean I I had a
[00:27:08.640] conversation with a um I'll have to be
[00:27:11.120] discreet here, a federal minister of the
[00:27:13.360] Australian government about 6 months ago
[00:27:15.200] and it still sticks in my head because
[00:27:17.440] he told me this incredible story about
[00:27:19.919] how he was walking out of a government
[00:27:22.320] office in the middle of central Sydney.
[00:27:24.400] So very crowded street. There's
[00:27:26.240] thousands of people at lunchtime and
[00:27:28.400] he's waiting for the crown car to come
[00:27:30.400] and pick him up. Very important guy. Uh,
[00:27:32.880] and he's there with his press secretary
[00:27:34.480] standing there with a bundle of papers.
[00:27:36.320] And as he looks up, he sees this giant
[00:27:39.440] metallic egg hovering in the square. And
[00:27:43.039] he's looks at his press secretary. And
[00:27:44.799] his press secretary is clearly oblivious
[00:27:46.400] to it. And this minister is a very
[00:27:49.600] important figure in one of our
[00:27:51.279] governments, our previous governments.
[00:27:53.279] And he said to me, Ross, I will deny
[00:27:55.039] this if you name me, but basically, I
[00:27:57.120] want you to know it's real. I I I and
[00:27:59.520] more importantly I I just knew I had to
[00:28:02.720] ask him just as a matter of interest,
[00:28:06.399] did your dad or your mom or your
[00:28:08.880] grandfather, your grandma, did they have
[00:28:10.399] experiences? And he looked, how do you
[00:28:11.960] know? And it runs in families this. It's
[00:28:15.440] really weird. And I feel it's a
[00:28:17.919] disservice to the reporting on this
[00:28:20.320] subject matter that we often don't
[00:28:22.640] discuss this aspect of the phenomenon
[00:28:24.720] that it seems to be familial. it seems
[00:28:27.200] to run in family lines. What What's your
[00:28:30.159] take on that? It's It's also weird that
[00:28:32.960] Sean and I turns out grew up in the same
[00:28:36.559] in the same town pretty much. Um we
[00:28:39.520] discovered that later. Um when I I
[00:28:43.360] forgot how it came up, but but yeah, we
[00:28:46.559] were hitting the same haunts. Your
[00:28:49.279] cousin Your cousin gave me a gold watch
[00:28:51.360] when we were in second grade. I hope it
[00:28:53.840] wasn't stolen. It was it was it
[00:28:57.640] was it was I may have an Aliotto family
[00:29:01.039] heirloom in my dresser. So Dean, let's
[00:29:04.080] talk about that. I I was really thrilled
[00:29:05.760] to see you spoke to Salma who's one of
[00:29:08.240] the Ariel uh what do you call them?
[00:29:10.880] Witnesses at the Ariel incident in Rua
[00:29:14.480] Zimbabwe in gosh is it 1994.
[00:29:18.480] U and I I'm really struck for how
[00:29:22.559] profound those beautiful little children
[00:29:25.440] were found, you know, they found that
[00:29:26.880] experience of engaging with what appear
[00:29:30.240] to have been nonhuman intelligences on
[00:29:32.720] their account. Is there the similar kind
[00:29:35.840] of stuff in the background with with
[00:29:38.399] Selma? I I know that from um the um
[00:29:42.159] Randy Nickerson documentary, the school
[00:29:44.480] principal turned out to be having
[00:29:46.559] similar experiences to what we've just
[00:29:48.480] discussed, but is there something that
[00:29:50.399] you found with those children, with
[00:29:52.080] those witnesses that you've spoken to,
[00:29:54.240] similar to what we're talking about?
[00:29:55.919] Yeah, it's interesting because um again
[00:29:58.799] when I started out one dock one and done
[00:30:02.640] well it bloomed up to four episodes and
[00:30:06.080] then those got so big that everything
[00:30:08.640] got bifurcated. So there's the alien
[00:30:10.720] perspective part one, then there's part
[00:30:12.159] two, then there's two other
[00:30:14.120] documentaries. Um, one is going to be
[00:30:16.399] all about John Mack, and then the other
[00:30:18.880] one is called The Experiencers. And, uh,
[00:30:22.520] Salma um is in I believe she might be in
[00:30:26.399] that, but she's definitely the John Mack
[00:30:28.080] stuff. And what's interesting is that
[00:30:30.320] when I interviewed her and was asking
[00:30:32.799] her about that very
[00:30:34.679] thing, she she wasn't sure like there
[00:30:39.039] was she hadn't Here's the thing, Sean
[00:30:41.279] will tell you this. You have to be
[00:30:42.880] willing to go in that journey and go
[00:30:44.720] inward. Some things get lodged by having
[00:30:47.360] that experience as an adult. Other
[00:30:48.720] things don't, but you really have to sit
[00:30:50.799] with yourself and think about it and
[00:30:52.399] comb through and you will find things.
[00:30:55.200] But I don't think that that was, you
[00:30:57.360] know, accidental. I mean, for me, I knew
[00:31:00.480] something else went on during that
[00:31:02.000] event, by the way. And and the John Mack
[00:31:05.279] doc, you're going to see what that was.
[00:31:08.320] There was something else that happened.
[00:31:09.840] And so, I don't want to kind of give it
[00:31:12.240] away, but but it wasn't just this thing.
[00:31:14.480] There was something else going on. And
[00:31:17.279] um and so I I think that this is all
[00:31:19.880] part of something that is happening, an
[00:31:23.000] awakening that's that's happening. And
[00:31:25.440] the question is why now? And I go, well,
[00:31:27.840] with technology, because the two
[00:31:29.200] messages that they say is your
[00:31:30.480] technology isn't helping you. And for
[00:31:31.760] the longest time, we thought, oh, it's
[00:31:32.880] nuclear weapons. I don't know that it's
[00:31:34.960] not smartphones that it's not the
[00:31:36.240] technology we have now. And the other
[00:31:37.919] thing is, you know, you're ruining your
[00:31:39.679] your planet. And they showed them images
[00:31:41.440] and everything. And so I kind of, you
[00:31:44.559] know, wonder because if you went back a
[00:31:46.559] hundred years and you say technology is
[00:31:48.240] not helping or 200 years, you go, oh,
[00:31:50.240] the printing press, that's bad. Now it's
[00:31:53.600] relevant. And so that's maybe why, you
[00:31:56.080] know, this has been reported more so in
[00:31:58.480] the in the 1900s and 2000s. Do you know
[00:32:01.600] it's funny, Sean, I I'm really struck by
[00:32:04.320] a Doctor Who episode I once watched. I
[00:32:06.799] sat there with my daughters and we
[00:32:08.240] watched it and I've forgotten their
[00:32:10.000] names, but there are these creatures
[00:32:11.760] that you can only see out of the corner
[00:32:14.240] of your eye and they're there, but
[00:32:17.799] they're just out of the realm of
[00:32:20.399] immediate direct consciousness. And I
[00:32:23.200] just have this gut feeling because I've
[00:32:25.360] spoken to Lou like you have about some
[00:32:27.279] of the really weird phenomena that he's
[00:32:28.960] had. And I I know and I I empathize with
[00:32:31.360] you that a lot of what you've
[00:32:32.799] experienced is quite personal and you
[00:32:34.480] probably don't want to talk in a lot of
[00:32:35.760] detail about it. And Dean, I'm sure
[00:32:38.960] there are lots of witnesses that you've
[00:32:40.720] interviewed for this film who've
[00:32:42.240] described this phenomena. This this
[00:32:44.720] there's the one main experience that we
[00:32:47.120] all focus on. But I just have this worry
[00:32:50.640] that what's really most important is
[00:32:53.279] what's going on just out of the corner
[00:32:54.960] of our eye. that there is a motive by
[00:32:58.320] whatever this intelligence is that goes
[00:33:02.000] a lot further than just one individual
[00:33:04.799] incident be it the USS Nimttz incident
[00:33:06.960] in 2004 the Ruer Zimbabwe aerial
[00:33:10.960] sightings in
[00:33:13.640] 1994 what's going on I mean I know you
[00:33:17.360] don't have the answer but speculate for
[00:33:19.679] me Sean
[00:33:21.679] you know my response to this at first
[00:33:24.720] after Tic Tac to be completely honest
[00:33:27.279] was to run in the other direction from
[00:33:29.880] spirituality. Um the response of my
[00:33:32.640] chain of command and the response of of
[00:33:34.640] those in in leadership on board the ship
[00:33:37.600] at that time in my career had told me
[00:33:39.519] that what we were dealing with was
[00:33:41.039] understood. No, there was nothing to be
[00:33:42.559] afraid of. Get back to work. The big
[00:33:44.640] guys know what's going on. And now I
[00:33:47.279] understand that that's not true. That
[00:33:49.120] was just denial. That was just business
[00:33:51.519] as usual and and those folks moving on
[00:33:54.559] with their own lives. They had no
[00:33:55.919] interest in in latching on to this
[00:33:57.880] whatsoever. But my response was actually
[00:34:00.240] to become rather self-destructive in my
[00:34:02.080] life. I went down I had a period of
[00:34:04.159] alcoholism uh a period of very selfish
[00:34:07.240] behavior. And it part of it was because
[00:34:10.960] for me the universe had just become nuts
[00:34:12.960] and bolts. It had just become math and I
[00:34:15.679] wasn't going to get to know the
[00:34:16.720] mysteries. They probably weren't real
[00:34:18.879] anyway.
[00:34:20.960] And then that became so such a burden
[00:34:23.119] that that self- abuse became such a
[00:34:25.040] burden that I finally broke and changed
[00:34:27.679] my lifestyle. I began meditating. Uh I
[00:34:30.800] began practicing yoga um but practicing
[00:34:33.599] deep meditation while in the yoga not
[00:34:35.679] just the
[00:34:36.599] um Americanized uh group stretching
[00:34:39.919] which is great for for your health but
[00:34:41.760] it's not the same as what's as the
[00:34:43.760] reasoning behind the the asas and the
[00:34:46.079] different positions.
[00:34:48.399] But what I found was something inside of
[00:34:50.480] me that transcended everything else
[00:34:52.240] around me. I found an observer that was
[00:34:54.560] not concerned with the abuses I had been
[00:34:57.119] through in my life, that didn't need to
[00:34:59.280] win the race and didn't need to eat the
[00:35:02.000] the the cookie. Um, and that showed me
[00:35:05.920] that there was something that at the
[00:35:07.839] heart of this, it's one thing to tell us
[00:35:09.599] all that our nuclear weapons are
[00:35:11.119] destructive. I think we know that that
[00:35:13.920] our environmental practices are
[00:35:16.000] destructive. We know that and that our
[00:35:19.280] wars are destructive. We know that and
[00:35:21.760] yet we do them anyway. And we engage in
[00:35:25.119] this behavior every day because we have
[00:35:27.720] a 50/50 set of people. Some of us
[00:35:30.720] selfish and some of us less so. And that
[00:35:33.520] what that does is create an environment
[00:35:36.240] where being your true and honest self is
[00:35:38.720] no longer something that is is conducive
[00:35:41.599] to your survival. you must participate
[00:35:43.839] in this society of of greed and want and
[00:35:47.560] need to have a a proper life with the
[00:35:50.720] with your loved ones. And if there's
[00:35:52.960] anything I think they're waking us up
[00:35:54.560] to, it's that at the core of our
[00:35:56.160] actions, it's not about the bomb. It's
[00:35:58.800] not about the war. It's not about the
[00:36:00.760] pollution. It's about what's in our
[00:36:02.800] heart when we're committing those acts
[00:36:04.400] in our own home and against each other.
[00:36:07.040] And I don't think we understand that
[00:36:08.800] yet. And if we're lucky, they're here to
[00:36:11.119] tell us about that. And if we're not,
[00:36:13.760] they're here to pull one over on us and
[00:36:15.760] act the same way that we're acting to
[00:36:17.359] each other.
[00:36:19.119] I might as well ask you this, Sean. Do
[00:36:20.640] you buy into because there's two debates
[00:36:22.720] in Eupthology. One is the threat
[00:36:24.960] narrative, and the other is they're all
[00:36:27.560] loveydvey. And I don't I don't ascribe
[00:36:30.320] to either of them. I I think there's
[00:36:32.400] probably some malevolent, some
[00:36:33.760] benevolent if there is life forms, and
[00:36:35.680] I'm sure there are.
[00:36:37.720] Um, isn't it a silly debate that polar
[00:36:40.640] debate whether or not there's a threat
[00:36:42.800] narrative behind the whole alien issue
[00:36:44.800] or whether they're benevolent? I know
[00:36:46.640] Dr. Steven Greer, for example, gets very
[00:36:48.560] frustrated with the idea that that we
[00:36:51.440] sometimes talk about a threat that Lou,
[00:36:53.839] particularly Lou Alzando, talks about
[00:36:55.920] the the possibility of a a threat being
[00:36:58.960] posed, but in and of itself, you're a
[00:37:01.839] military man by training. Isn't
[00:37:04.320] something we don't
[00:37:06.359] understand a threat?
[00:37:09.520] Absolutely. Um, as a law enforcement
[00:37:12.240] officer, we talked about opportunity,
[00:37:14.960] intent, and capability. Um, when we were
[00:37:18.320] discussing suspects and the use of force
[00:37:20.720] and deadly force, um, the phenomena has
[00:37:24.400] the opportunity and the capability to do
[00:37:26.880] nearly anything it wants. Um, it seems
[00:37:29.599] to defy physics. it seems to at times
[00:37:33.680] control the people or at least um
[00:37:36.640] manipulate their consciousness when
[00:37:38.560] they're interacting with them. All of
[00:37:41.200] these things are um they're illegal if
[00:37:44.720] they were happening occurring within our
[00:37:46.720] society. So they're things that we cast
[00:37:48.640] moral aspersion on. The fact is the
[00:37:51.040] phenomena does not make it easy for it
[00:37:53.119] to uh interact with. Um, regardless of
[00:37:56.320] what Stephven Greer says, sitting down
[00:37:58.160] and meditating is like opening up
[00:38:01.280] without understanding your intention,
[00:38:04.079] what you're aiming for, or what you're
[00:38:05.599] talking to. You have no idea. It's like
[00:38:08.240] picking up your telephone and just
[00:38:09.920] wondering if someone's going to be on
[00:38:11.440] the other side. You You don't have a
[00:38:13.119] number you're dialing. You don't know.
[00:38:15.839] And it's clear that this phenomenon
[00:38:17.920] understands our own consciousness better
[00:38:20.160] than we do. So, while I won't say that
[00:38:22.800] the phenomenon itself is negative, many
[00:38:25.359] of my experiences were borderline
[00:38:27.280] terrifying, um, if they are so advanced
[00:38:30.880] and so intelligent, I would appreciate
[00:38:32.720] an email or a phone call. And I don't
[00:38:34.480] mean to be flippant. You could I could
[00:38:36.560] you could send me an email and say,
[00:38:38.160] "Hey, come meet the phenomena in this
[00:38:40.079] field at this time and and we'll shake
[00:38:42.079] hands and get to and you don't have to
[00:38:43.599] be scared." But they don't do that. And
[00:38:46.480] so it's it's we're at a spot with the
[00:38:48.960] phenomenon where many are coming out and
[00:38:51.599] talking about psionics. They're talking
[00:38:53.440] about meditating. Um they you know the
[00:38:56.720] term coined by Steven Greer C5 which I I
[00:38:59.839] don't include in J. Allen Highneck CE 1
[00:39:02.800] through4. I I think it's that's for Mr.
[00:39:05.440] Greer alone because it's not fair to say
[00:39:08.000] that you're calling in spaceships. I
[00:39:10.480] don't believe that what people are
[00:39:11.920] interacting with when they go into a
[00:39:14.560] beautiful place inside and meditate and
[00:39:17.760] phenomena manifest. I don't believe
[00:39:19.440] that's the same thing that may have been
[00:39:20.960] retrieved in 1947 by the US government.
[00:39:23.920] And I don't think it's the same thing
[00:39:25.280] that we send out paramilitary teams that
[00:39:28.320] rumor says are are now conflicting with
[00:39:30.880] each other to retrieve these these
[00:39:33.040] materials. Um, I don't think anything I
[00:39:35.760] would pray through my heart to needs a
[00:39:38.480] vehicle to arrive here. And I'm not a
[00:39:41.359] religious man, but I think that we're
[00:39:44.240] we're really muddying the water by
[00:39:47.720] suddenly saying that you can sit down
[00:39:51.359] and meditate and control a spacecraft.
[00:39:54.560] I agree. It's in fact, thank you for
[00:39:56.880] those very profound comments. Dean,
[00:39:59.520] you've had the opportunity to travel the
[00:40:02.000] world and talk to some of the most
[00:40:04.079] interesting brains as commentators, but
[00:40:07.040] also experiences on this issue. You call
[00:40:10.400] your film the alien perspective. as
[00:40:13.920] Sha's describing there, there seems to
[00:40:17.040] be some method behind the madness.
[00:40:19.520] Because, you know, I I like Sha often
[00:40:21.839] think, why the hell don't these
[00:40:23.599] intelligences, if they exist, why don't
[00:40:26.240] they just manifest themselves? Why don't
[00:40:28.400] they just show themselves and be far
[00:40:30.480] more overt and put the mystery to rest
[00:40:34.320] in in the heart of it? Isn't that the
[00:40:37.200] fundamental mystery behind whatever this
[00:40:40.079] intelligence is? And have you got an
[00:40:42.480] answer for me? Why? Why don't these Why
[00:40:45.839] don't these intelligences, as Sha
[00:40:48.079] describes, they operate in such a weird
[00:40:50.640] way? They're just there out of the
[00:40:53.119] corner of our eye trying to twig our
[00:40:55.960] consciousness. They've always been
[00:40:58.480] there. And I'm profoundly struck by how
[00:41:01.119] many people I've spoken to who who are
[00:41:04.119] experiences. When you needle them a bit,
[00:41:06.560] sometimes they don't even realize it.
[00:41:08.400] and they call me back a few days later
[00:41:10.079] and they go, "You know what? I did have
[00:41:12.480] a granny who said she saw strange things
[00:41:14.560] in the kitchen once." You know, people
[00:41:16.720] often realize after the fact that it's
[00:41:21.079] always Why is that? What's going on? All
[00:41:24.640] right, so this answer is going to blow
[00:41:26.079] everyone's mind and they're going to
[00:41:27.680] just get so many numbers it's just going
[00:41:29.440] to go nuts. You ready for this?
[00:41:34.079] The first thing I learned uh in the
[00:41:37.359] first year of the seven years of this
[00:41:39.280] documentary was all the stuff that I
[00:41:41.359] didn't know that I thought I knew. Um I
[00:41:45.280] think where I'm I've arrived at and I'm
[00:41:47.440] I'm agnostic. I'm spiritual but I try to
[00:41:49.680] be open to everything because first law
[00:41:51.680] is no one knows anything. Um is that
[00:41:55.920] uh this is being controlled by them. I
[00:41:59.520] don't worry that much. doesn't keep me
[00:42:01.440] up at night worrying about
[00:42:04.319] uh us being taken over because it would
[00:42:07.119] be very simple for them to send the size
[00:42:10.079] of like fruitfly drones and drop some
[00:42:13.200] chemical that would melt humans, leave
[00:42:16.560] the animals if they want. You could
[00:42:18.400] assign it to certain DNA um of a
[00:42:21.040] creature and then just move in. That's
[00:42:23.760] not the case. What they seem to be doing
[00:42:26.400] is observing us like we would observe
[00:42:28.880] tag if you will, you know, bears in the
[00:42:31.440] wild and everything. We are animals and
[00:42:33.200] we forget that. Proof of animals is that
[00:42:35.520] we fight and we're very emotional. We
[00:42:38.480] haven't gotten to a place transcendental
[00:42:41.040] and otherwise where we realize, oh, if I
[00:42:43.760] hurt this person, I'm hurting myself.
[00:42:45.839] So, I think they're keeping everything
[00:42:48.560] at bay. But I kind of I do this thing
[00:42:51.599] where I walk people through what is the
[00:42:53.599] wish fulfillment? Well, the wish
[00:42:55.119] fulfillment is that like you just said,
[00:42:56.880] Ross, they show up. They show up on the
[00:42:58.560] White House lawn. Let's walk through
[00:43:00.240] that. They show up. They don't get shot
[00:43:02.079] down. Miraculously, they land. The alien
[00:43:04.800] gets out. Then a spokesperson has to go
[00:43:07.200] up to them. Now, if we go with with the
[00:43:09.280] UFO uh beliefs and stories that are
[00:43:12.560] corroborated across the board, across
[00:43:14.680] countries, it's all telepathic. So, now
[00:43:17.599] you've got to rely on the person who is
[00:43:20.319] the spokesperson to accurately convey
[00:43:23.040] what he's doing. So that doesn't really
[00:43:24.800] work. How does how far does the
[00:43:26.880] telepathy reach? Does he have to do a
[00:43:28.880] whistle top whistle stop tour like Teddy
[00:43:31.280] Roosevelt and go from town to town? And
[00:43:33.920] then what are they going to really be
[00:43:36.240] teaching us that that we need to learn?
[00:43:38.640] I mean, we keep saying, "Well, we'd love
[00:43:40.480] to have technology, but we pervert all
[00:43:42.640] technology, right? So we're not at that
[00:43:45.359] level." We go, "Well, we'd like to have
[00:43:46.800] them clean up the pollution here." and I
[00:43:49.359] keep going. So, you want your parent, a
[00:43:51.680] parent, to come in, clean it up, and
[00:43:53.359] say, "Now, keep it the way it is." We
[00:43:55.040] won't. So, I think we need to listen to
[00:43:57.760] what they're saying, and we need to work
[00:43:59.359] on ourselves and know that we are going
[00:44:01.119] to get there. And the proof that we're
[00:44:02.800] going to get there, where we do have
[00:44:04.079] that communion is that they they're not
[00:44:06.960] giving up. They keep coming and coming
[00:44:08.880] and they're shaping certain things and
[00:44:11.040] technology and getting us to a certain
[00:44:12.720] place, but we have to do half the work.
[00:44:15.280] I always say we've got to meet them
[00:44:16.480] halfway on the bridge. One other little
[00:44:18.720] thing is I think that these
[00:44:20.680] experiencers and this is a belief I have
[00:44:22.800] and I hope no one's offended by it but I
[00:44:25.200] do believe a lot of them and John Mack
[00:44:26.880] talks about this that they agreed to do
[00:44:29.040] this in another life and there's some
[00:44:32.079] belief there's a a a term belief that
[00:44:36.319] they have maybe come from their plan or
[00:44:39.440] their future if they're from the future
[00:44:41.040] or another dimension and this is all a
[00:44:43.520] reason and I know this because when I
[00:44:45.040] went to a my first experience a support
[00:44:48.000] group. I said, "Guys, what you're
[00:44:49.839] telling me is terrifying. I couldn't
[00:44:51.359] deal with it. I couldn't deal with
[00:44:52.800] seeing a monkey come around the deck in
[00:44:55.040] broad daylight on my deck. It would
[00:44:56.640] freak the crap out of me because it's
[00:44:58.400] out of context, let alone an alien." So,
[00:45:00.800] you guys are so terrified by this. Show
[00:45:02.720] me, you know, raise up your hands. How
[00:45:04.720] many people would, if they could go
[00:45:06.720] back, have this not happen after you've
[00:45:08.560] told me all this? And there's 15 people
[00:45:10.240] in this room from lawyers, doctors, etc.
[00:45:13.760] And I said, "Raise your hand if you
[00:45:15.839] would still do this again." Every single
[00:45:18.079] one of them raised their hands.
[00:45:20.560] Yeah. I think that's really interesting
[00:45:22.560] because I Everybody I've spoken to
[00:45:25.200] thinks that the experience, albeit, as
[00:45:27.440] Sean says, at times terrifying, it's the
[00:45:30.640] most profound thing they've ever had
[00:45:32.160] happen in their life. And I'm I'm
[00:45:34.319] amazed. I mean, as a journalist who's
[00:45:36.240] done a lot of confronting stories about
[00:45:38.400] crime and corruption, I I don't think
[00:45:40.720] I've ever had so many intense emotional
[00:45:43.680] conversations with people as I have had
[00:45:46.240] doing the research that I've done for
[00:45:47.920] this investigation. Sean Richard Dolan
[00:45:51.200] is one of the I think preeminent
[00:45:53.920] commentators in this field and he he
[00:45:56.079] gave a great speech the other day where
[00:45:57.839] he talked about how people should really
[00:46:00.160] be careful what they wish for when they
[00:46:02.560] just wish you know frankly let's just
[00:46:04.800] find out the secret and have done with
[00:46:06.480] it. And he he actually talked about the
[00:46:08.800] possibility that whatever this
[00:46:10.560] phenomenon is, it might be so far
[00:46:13.520] advanced that it's completely beyond our
[00:46:16.000] ken that that essentially it's
[00:46:18.160] completely indifferent to us like we are
[00:46:20.319] to ants. And I'm really struck by the
[00:46:24.560] fact that earlier in the conversation we
[00:46:26.880] had, you talked about the the
[00:46:29.119] commanders, the the people above you on
[00:46:31.599] that bridge, probably the the admiral or
[00:46:34.240] the captain of the vessel who seemed to
[00:46:36.960] be aware of what this phenomenon was.
[00:46:40.240] And it's interesting because that's the
[00:46:43.599] narrative that frankly pisses me off
[00:46:46.400] that that that there is one part of
[00:46:50.000] society which is government uh people in
[00:46:53.200] the know some sections of the military
[00:46:55.520] and the intelligence community and I'm
[00:46:58.319] often struck by how often when I talk to
[00:47:00.560] some of these people privately including
[00:47:03.440] people inside the program inside the
[00:47:07.040] retrieval and reverse engineering
[00:47:08.720] program and they tell me that the
[00:47:11.359] phenomenon is demonic, that it's evil.
[00:47:15.200] They talk about angels and they see this
[00:47:17.359] through the prism of evangelical
[00:47:19.440] Christianity in particular. What do you
[00:47:22.000] think of that take,
[00:47:23.560] Sean? I was raised
[00:47:25.880] Catholic. I never um voluntarily
[00:47:30.000] participated
[00:47:31.680] um in it. And as a young teenager, I I
[00:47:35.040] made a proclamation that I would not
[00:47:36.880] return to church. And I and I never did
[00:47:39.440] unless it was a a wedding or a funeral
[00:47:42.160] to be honest with you. Um I've had a
[00:47:44.319] lous I had a lousy relationship with
[00:47:46.160] with what we all call God up until
[00:47:48.960] probably my late 30s early 40s when I
[00:47:51.839] began meditating and when I began
[00:47:54.079] understanding finally that if you were
[00:47:57.040] willing to you could find the piece of
[00:47:59.520] yourself that's more than flesh and that
[00:48:02.560] at least in my for my experience it
[00:48:04.720] wasn't connected to any dogma or faith.
[00:48:07.440] And so then it became an investigation
[00:48:09.680] of the various worlds religions and
[00:48:11.599] their various practices and how do the
[00:48:13.760] holy people of those sects interact with
[00:48:18.079] their phenomena that they call
[00:48:21.000] God. I think we're dealing with an a
[00:48:24.720] universe that we have looked at in a
[00:48:26.160] binary fashion that we look at as either
[00:48:28.559] black or white off or on and
[00:48:30.079] occasionally a small gray area in the
[00:48:31.920] middle. But what we don't seem to
[00:48:34.000] understand yet is that everything in
[00:48:35.839] this universe is on a spectrum of some
[00:48:38.359] kind. And whether it's light, energy,
[00:48:41.839] matter, everything is vibrating. All of
[00:48:44.079] those things are important distinctions
[00:48:45.839] to
[00:48:46.599] make. Everything is truly connected.
[00:48:49.359] Even if we don't feel it or can't parse
[00:48:51.599] how it's connected, if we can't see
[00:48:53.440] those connections. The fractality of the
[00:48:55.640] universe tells us that we are inside of
[00:48:59.200] a system that we just call life. And
[00:49:02.400] it's it's more complex than that. At the
[00:49:05.359] end of the day, the phenomena seems to
[00:49:07.839] understand it better than we do. Um, but
[00:49:11.839] on that
[00:49:13.079] spectrum, your personal brain waves,
[00:49:16.240] body state, level of stress, level of
[00:49:19.480] cortisol, they change how your brain
[00:49:21.760] operates. They change whether it's
[00:49:23.680] operating in beta, alpha, theta, gamma,
[00:49:27.359] delta. All of which have different
[00:49:28.800] meanings that most people won't know.
[00:49:30.319] But some mean sleep, some mean alert and
[00:49:32.960] stressed out, some mean relaxed, and
[00:49:35.200] some mean incredible data processing.
[00:49:39.400] Um, all people are in one of those
[00:49:41.920] states at all times. And I believe that
[00:49:43.839] when we are in what we tend to call a
[00:49:45.680] low vibrational state, which could be
[00:49:48.400] alcoholism, trauma, abuse, drug
[00:49:50.559] addiction, depression, things like that,
[00:49:53.119] our brain waves are operating at such a
[00:49:56.400] lower frequency that I believe that
[00:49:59.119] other things within this reality that,
[00:50:01.280] as you said, we only see out of the
[00:50:03.280] corner of our eye at that 45 degree
[00:50:05.280] angle for a moment. Those things exist
[00:50:08.800] with us. We don't understand them. And
[00:50:10.880] some of those things bring negative
[00:50:12.640] energy and feelings with them. Other
[00:50:15.200] things, if you go in the other direction
[00:50:16.800] and and try to bring the purity that's
[00:50:20.160] talked about at the very core teachings
[00:50:21.920] of our religions, if you try to truly
[00:50:23.839] open your heart to selfless love and to
[00:50:27.119] see the other as
[00:50:30.200] yourself, there's a different thing
[00:50:32.480] waiting at that end of the brainwave
[00:50:34.800] spectrum that wants your attention. And
[00:50:37.680] I think both of those things are
[00:50:39.040] existing at the same time in our reality
[00:50:41.119] and we tend to call them the phenomena.
[00:50:44.000] And I'll wrap up by saying of the
[00:50:46.160] thousands and thousands of anecdotal
[00:50:48.160] reports that we've we've all the three
[00:50:49.920] of us have seen and researched over the
[00:50:51.520] years, we know that there are numerous
[00:50:53.359] different shapes, sizes, morphologies,
[00:50:56.480] bodies, languages, operations,
[00:50:58.800] everything occurs differently. Although
[00:51:00.559] there are things that are
[00:51:02.200] similar, whatever this is, it's not one
[00:51:04.720] source. And I think it would behoove the
[00:51:06.960] three of us as perhaps as leaders in
[00:51:09.839] this field or or as as people that will
[00:51:11.680] be listened to to ensure that people
[00:51:13.119] understand that though we say phenomena,
[00:51:15.440] that is a plural, not a singular.
[00:51:18.720] So Dean, have you had similar profound
[00:51:22.640] senses of some kind of spiritual shove
[00:51:26.000] behind the interviews that you've done
[00:51:27.920] with these people? Yeah. When I started
[00:51:30.800] out, I thought this is going to be an
[00:51:32.240] informative um science documentary.
[00:51:35.040] Well, I'm going to ground the
[00:51:36.640] phenomenon. I thought I thought I was
[00:51:37.920] going to debunk this bull story of UFOs
[00:51:40.319] and get on with writing a book about US
[00:51:42.480] secret technology. Sorry. That's what I
[00:51:44.800] told Lou Alzando I wanted to help with.
[00:51:46.640] I said, "If anybody's full of it from
[00:51:49.280] the Princeton, let me know."
[00:51:52.000] Forgive me, Sean. I interrupted. Sorry.
[00:51:54.319] Forgive me, Dean. I apologize. No. So,
[00:51:56.800] um, it it became this thing where I
[00:52:00.960] realized, oh, this is part of my
[00:52:02.640] journey.
[00:52:04.240] I'm being of service. And that's always
[00:52:06.960] been important to Sean and I is how can
[00:52:09.280] we be of service? And so when I I look
[00:52:12.319] at this and I look at all these people
[00:52:13.599] that are going through this, I'm I'm
[00:52:16.480] right where I should be. I I believe not
[00:52:19.680] to prophesize this, but I'm I'm here to
[00:52:22.480] to kind of uh shed light on it and maybe
[00:52:25.680] add a piece to the puzzle that you're
[00:52:27.359] adding, Ross, and others are adding. Um,
[00:52:30.559] but I feel like it's it is something
[00:52:33.599] that is
[00:52:35.400] extremely profound on so many different
[00:52:38.800] levels that it's kind of like again time
[00:52:41.280] released. And so, as much as we want to
[00:52:43.760] have all the answers and we want a UFO
[00:52:46.079] tailpipe to be dropped on the next
[00:52:49.280] congressional house hearing and go,
[00:52:50.720] "Wow, here it is and here's a dead alien
[00:52:52.559] arm." for the, you know, the thousands,
[00:52:55.440] hundreds of thousands, who knows how
[00:52:56.800] more experiencers, they've had that, you
[00:52:59.520] know, communion with them. And so I I
[00:53:02.240] feel like um I feel like it's part of
[00:53:06.000] our evolution because we're going to be
[00:53:08.559] doing that very same thing. We are going
[00:53:10.960] to discover time travel. It's
[00:53:12.400] inevitable. Einstein predicted it. And
[00:53:14.800] and we're also going to be able to
[00:53:16.599] discover new physics that are going to
[00:53:19.119] take us to other dimensions of planets.
[00:53:20.960] And so, you know, you got to respect the
[00:53:22.880] prime directive, but there's certain
[00:53:25.280] things that they're
[00:53:26.839] doing that feels like they're almost
[00:53:29.960] authors in our existence. And as Lou
[00:53:33.839] would say, Lou Lou told me at that same,
[00:53:35.760] you know, Comic-Con convention, he said,
[00:53:37.200] "A portion of the generals he talks to
[00:53:39.040] when he was briefing them say, you're
[00:53:40.880] doing God's work, right? And another
[00:53:43.520] portion says, you know, they're demons,
[00:53:45.359] right?"
[00:53:46.720] And so it comes down to the limitations
[00:53:49.599] of one's imagination. And whenever I'm
[00:53:52.079] because I'm a I'm a writer, I can't
[00:53:54.559] afford to be too rigid, to be too
[00:53:56.960] brittle, and to close up my toolbox and
[00:53:59.440] say I have everything I need in here.
[00:54:01.119] Can't do that. I have to be open to
[00:54:03.920] everything. And so I found that the one
[00:54:07.000] common denominator in all this is that
[00:54:09.920] there is a spiritual component here
[00:54:12.000] where they do want us to get to a
[00:54:13.839] certain level where we are all not a you
[00:54:17.200] know kind of like a hive mentality where
[00:54:19.200] again it's we're all here experiencing
[00:54:21.680] this wonderful thing. We are gifted. I
[00:54:24.640] mean, I'm excited about find another
[00:54:26.480] planet that's Earthlike, but the odds
[00:54:28.880] that it's going to have the right um
[00:54:31.559] gravity, the right sun, the right
[00:54:33.920] distance, all these things, that's
[00:54:35.119] perfect. We have something that is so
[00:54:36.720] amazing. And so, at the end of these
[00:54:38.720] seven years, I find myself looking at
[00:54:41.119] these documentaries and realize that
[00:54:42.640] there's two messages that came through
[00:54:44.319] for me. One is to have empathy for the
[00:54:47.680] experiencers. That needs to stop now.
[00:54:50.079] Because you wouldn't say to someone who
[00:54:52.000] got abducted by someone, you wouldn't
[00:54:54.079] say, "Oh, was the van white or was it
[00:54:55.920] black? Was there duct tape or rope?"
[00:54:58.559] They do that with aliens. They go, "Oh,
[00:55:00.079] was a ship? Was it triangular? Was it
[00:55:01.680] whatever?" That stops now. And the
[00:55:03.920] second thing is that our planet is this
[00:55:07.920] amazing gift and we are connected with
[00:55:10.319] it as much as as it is with us. and we
[00:55:13.119] can destroy it as much as we think we
[00:55:14.559] can, but it'll recycle. So, I'm more
[00:55:16.559] worried about mankind. I want our race
[00:55:18.960] at the end of the day to be the ones
[00:55:21.359] that get to be fully evolved because if
[00:55:24.000] we don't make it, there's going to be
[00:55:26.280] another intelligence that's going to
[00:55:28.400] come out of this. And so, it's it's uh
[00:55:31.119] incumbent upon us to handle the
[00:55:34.559] inheritance that we have and to and to
[00:55:37.040] treat it right and to also enjoy that we
[00:55:39.040] don't have all the answers. You know,
[00:55:40.640] right now the aliens, if you will, at
[00:55:42.960] human non-human intelligence, they are
[00:55:44.960] giving us teers teasers and trailers to
[00:55:48.079] a fantastic movie that we're eventually
[00:55:50.160] going to get to see.
[00:55:52.400] Well, Dean and Sean, I have a sense both
[00:55:55.520] of you are right that that essentially
[00:55:57.280] what's happening is we are being
[00:55:59.200] twigged. Our consciousness is being
[00:56:01.280] twigged by something, something sentient
[00:56:04.079] and something intelligent. But as Sean
[00:56:06.319] says, it's a journey that we have to
[00:56:09.040] make as a spiritual journey on our own
[00:56:11.280] in order to be able to comprehend it.
[00:56:13.680] Thank you both of you for joining
[00:56:16.000] reality check and I wish you the very
[00:56:17.599] luck with your film, The Alien
[00:56:19.920] Perspective. Just remind us again, Dean,
[00:56:22.240] where can we watch it? Sure. You can see
[00:56:24.799] on Amazon or Apple TV and uh I'll also
[00:56:28.079] be posting about it on my Instagram at
[00:56:29.920] Dean Aoto. And Sean, when are you going
[00:56:32.319] to write a book? Come on, I want to hear
[00:56:34.559] it.
[00:56:36.000] I I'm receiving quite a bit of uh
[00:56:38.640] encouragement to do so. Um I I've
[00:56:40.960] considered it. Right now I'm mostly
[00:56:42.559] focused on uh the company. I'm I've
[00:56:44.799] started with some a few other people
[00:56:46.400] called Project Nanu. Uh we're creating a
[00:56:49.680] uh social media platform where people
[00:56:51.839] who are experiencers or just generally
[00:56:54.640] interested in the phenomena and other
[00:56:56.319] mysteries of the world can unite and
[00:56:58.079] share their evidence with each other. Um
[00:57:00.720] we look forward to releasing that this
[00:57:02.240] summer. But uh I appreciate the the poke
[00:57:04.480] there. Maybe I'll uh maybe I'll let you
[00:57:06.160] know if I start writing one. Thank you
[00:57:07.920] to both of
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