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Breaking The Secrecy, Dr John G Blitch

Breaking The Secrecy, Dr John G Blitch

[00:00:01.309] [music]
[00:00:05.120] This is what I claim is going on with
[00:00:07.600] this cover [music] up. Our governments
[00:00:09.440] around the world are muzzling us up and
[00:00:14.400] preventing us from [music] expanding our
[00:00:17.279] awareness because we're scared of an
[00:00:20.480] alien invasion. [music]
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[00:00:49.120] >> Welcome back to the podcast everybody. I
[00:00:51.920] want to do a a quick introduction uh to
[00:00:54.800] our very special guest today. Our guest
[00:00:57.680] is Dr. John G. Blitch. Um he's a retired
[00:01:02.000] lieutenant colonel
[00:01:04.239] um and an extremely interesting person.
[00:01:07.760] So Dr. Blitch is a US Army Lieutenant
[00:01:11.840] Colonel, cog cognitive psychologist and
[00:01:15.280] a pioneer in robot assisted crisis
[00:01:18.240] response. His career bridges the world
[00:01:21.759] of military innovation, humanitarian
[00:01:25.040] rescue and consciousness research. As a
[00:01:28.640] DARPA program manager, he led the
[00:01:31.439] development of tactical mobile robots
[00:01:34.720] later deployed um in Operation Enduring
[00:01:38.159] Freedom. And in the aftermath of the
[00:01:40.640] awful 911, he directed the first robot
[00:01:45.040] assisted urban search and rescue at
[00:01:48.320] ground zero at the World Trade Center. A
[00:01:52.079] historic milestone in emergency
[00:01:54.880] robotics.
[00:01:56.560] Beyond his military and scientific
[00:01:58.880] achievements, Dr. Blitch has explored
[00:02:01.920] the intersection of technology,
[00:02:04.479] consciousness, and non-human
[00:02:06.479] intelligence, sharing deeply personal
[00:02:09.759] experiences
[00:02:11.280] that challenge our conventional
[00:02:13.360] understanding of reality.
[00:02:15.920] His work through Chaser and
[00:02:20.560] Arakar, is that right Dr. Blitch?
[00:02:23.280] >> Yes. Yes. Y
[00:02:24.959] >> continues to continues to advance the
[00:02:28.400] humanitarian use of robotics while his
[00:02:31.840] academic contributions at the US Air
[00:02:34.879] Force Academy and Air Force Research
[00:02:38.160] Laboratory have shaped the next
[00:02:40.239] generation of cognitive scientists and
[00:02:43.120] engineers. Dr. Blitch stands as a rare
[00:02:46.400] figure, a soldier scientist whose life's
[00:02:50.640] work redefineses what it means to serve,
[00:02:54.319] innovate, and seek truth across both
[00:02:58.000] physical and metaphysical frontiers. I'm
[00:03:01.760] absolutely delighted to welcome Dr.
[00:03:05.200] Blitch to the podcast.
[00:03:08.480] Well, thank you very much, Alex, for
[00:03:10.640] that wonderfully affusive
[00:03:13.120] uh introduction. I, you know, all I
[00:03:16.000] claim is to be a failure in just about
[00:03:19.200] everything I attempted, but failure is
[00:03:22.319] valuable as long as you learn from it
[00:03:25.280] and and continue to progress. I do not
[00:03:27.840] think I was a particularly good
[00:03:30.480] scientist. Uh some of that is due to the
[00:03:33.680] demotivational effects of the cover up
[00:03:36.400] which I think we'll probably get into.
[00:03:38.480] >> Yeah.
[00:03:38.799] >> Uh and even though I was placed in
[00:03:41.360] command of troops on five separate
[00:03:43.040] occasions, I don't claim to be a
[00:03:44.959] particularly good commander. Uh but I do
[00:03:48.560] know what good leadership looks like
[00:03:50.879] because I saw it in my colleagues and my
[00:03:54.560] my superiors and some of the my
[00:03:57.360] subordinates who I saw command others.
[00:04:00.640] And so I I I think I have a good grasp
[00:04:03.040] on what good leadership is like. And and
[00:04:06.080] I guess the the the main thing really
[00:04:08.560] the only thing that I can blow the
[00:04:10.159] whistle on in terms of the disclosure
[00:04:12.480] effort is what I consider to be toxic or
[00:04:15.280] or actually corrosive leadership
[00:04:19.280] in the form of division. Right? When you
[00:04:23.199] look at Terry Love Lace's case where is,
[00:04:26.720] you know, you've got this traumatized
[00:04:30.000] um PRP qualified personnel reliability
[00:04:33.919] uh program qualified
[00:04:36.960] medic who has this traumatic experience
[00:04:40.000] and he is separated from his best buddy
[00:04:43.120] and teammate uh Toby.
[00:04:46.000] >> And then Mario Woods, same thing happens
[00:04:48.400] to him in the same year 1977.
[00:04:51.120] >> Yeah. Yeah. And he is separated from
[00:04:52.720] Michael Johnson. So their chain of
[00:04:55.120] command
[00:04:56.800] responded to the traumatic
[00:04:59.759] activities that they had been through by
[00:05:02.320] separating them and muzzling them.
[00:05:05.040] >> It's very cruel, isn't it?
[00:05:06.160] >> We're not here to blow the whistle on.
[00:05:07.840] >> It's very cruel. And I I really
[00:05:10.639] appreciate your can I say you probably
[00:05:14.000] won't agree but you're a modest a modest
[00:05:17.600] man because looking at your your career
[00:05:22.400] it's mindblowing.
[00:05:24.880] I can't believe how many things you've
[00:05:26.880] you've done and achieved. You are a real
[00:05:29.759] overachiever.
[00:05:31.440] Lieutenant Colonel,
[00:05:33.360] >> US Army Special Operations Command, five
[00:05:36.880] command tours, including nuclear weapons
[00:05:39.199] delivery, hostage rescue, and space
[00:05:41.919] operations.
[00:05:43.759] DARPA program manager, led tactical
[00:05:47.440] mobile robots program, pioneering
[00:05:50.400] semi-autonomous systems, later used in
[00:05:52.960] crisis response.
[00:05:55.440] >> Please, please let me interrupt you,
[00:05:57.280] Alex. I appreciate what you're doing,
[00:05:59.919] but literally this is a matter of screw
[00:06:04.080] up, move up, right? As as one of my
[00:06:06.720] former commanders once said, the only
[00:06:09.280] reason that troops will follow Captain
[00:06:11.600] Blitch into combat is out of sheer
[00:06:13.759] curiosity of what he's going to screw up
[00:06:15.600] next. So, [laughter]
[00:06:17.840] so, you know, truly, uh, it [snorts] it
[00:06:21.680] is okay to fail as long as you're trying
[00:06:24.319] to climb a steep slope, right? Yeah.
[00:06:26.639] because, you know, two steps forward,
[00:06:29.039] one step back. That's how we climb
[00:06:30.639] mountains a lot of times.
[00:06:32.000] >> You know, when you look at climbing
[00:06:33.120] Everest, I've been to Everest. I've
[00:06:34.639] never climbed all the way up to Everest,
[00:06:36.160] but I've been there um up above Everest
[00:06:39.840] base camp.
[00:06:40.880] >> Wow.
[00:06:41.280] >> And and so I I know I've climbed many
[00:06:43.360] mountains. And and you know, that is the
[00:06:45.600] approach. You go up, come back, go up,
[00:06:49.440] come back, and you're acclimatizing, and
[00:06:51.360] that's really important. So rarely do
[00:06:54.240] you ever go from from base camp all the
[00:06:57.360] way up. Your your your lungs are are not
[00:06:59.759] going to be able to handle that. So you
[00:07:01.199] got to embrace the setbacks and then
[00:07:04.479] have enough resilience to get going. So
[00:07:06.720] thank you for that. But but please
[00:07:08.960] realize that there are so many failures.
[00:07:12.400] It's it's almost like a sine wave, more
[00:07:14.960] like a dithering sort of thing.
[00:07:16.800] >> Um so so thank you for that. And do you
[00:07:20.000] know you're not the first person to say
[00:07:22.319] that to me. I I interviewed Dr. Han Cara
[00:07:26.720] and she she said to me that um you have
[00:07:30.960] to fail and you have to do things to
[00:07:34.560] understand to understand how we make
[00:07:37.520] that right. Um that's the lesson. If you
[00:07:41.280] don't do it, you'll never know. And and
[00:07:44.160] you're literally saying exactly the same
[00:07:46.080] thing. It's amazing.
[00:07:47.680] >> Yeah. There's Sorry, go ahead.
[00:07:50.000] >> No, no, it's You carry on.
[00:07:52.479] >> Uh well, so so there are many many
[00:07:54.960] examples of this in literature. Uh one
[00:07:57.199] is the parable of the butterfly, and I I
[00:08:00.720] love it because my seven-year-old
[00:08:02.639] granddaughter, I'm waiting for this to
[00:08:04.479] occur with her, where she sees
[00:08:07.199] a cocoon with a butterfly larvae that's
[00:08:11.599] trying to break its way out of the
[00:08:13.280] cocoon. And as the parable goes,
[00:08:16.400] >> um, the child runs back and gets some
[00:08:20.639] scissors or a knife and and comes back
[00:08:24.240] to the cocoon and helps the butterfly
[00:08:28.160] get out of the cocoon. But in doing so,
[00:08:33.039] the the innocent or the naive child
[00:08:38.240] prevents the butterfly from from
[00:08:41.200] building up the muscle they need to flap
[00:08:43.360] the wings.
[00:08:44.399] >> So then the butterfly falls out of the
[00:08:46.320] cocoon onto the ground and can't get off
[00:08:49.040] the ground. And so by helping the
[00:08:51.600] butterfly in the larvae stage too much
[00:08:56.080] >> that they the the innocent child denies
[00:08:59.920] that muscle building process. So
[00:09:02.640] >> yeah,
[00:09:03.040] >> you know this is always a challenge for
[00:09:05.279] parents. How much to help
[00:09:07.839] >> your kids, right? Are you going to be a
[00:09:09.600] helicopter parent and protect them,
[00:09:12.000] overprotect them
[00:09:13.839] >> so that when they when they leave the
[00:09:16.080] nest, they can't uh handle adversity?
[00:09:20.480] So, this is what I claim is going on
[00:09:22.959] with this cover up. Our governments
[00:09:26.080] around the world are muzzling us up and
[00:09:31.040] preventing us from expanding our
[00:09:33.920] awareness because we're scared of an
[00:09:37.040] alien invasion. or or some sort of
[00:09:39.760] horrific sort of situation. And so when
[00:09:42.240] you look across the experiencer or
[00:09:44.880] abductee world,
[00:09:46.720] >> you know, a lot of us were absolutely
[00:09:49.440] terrified during the the activities that
[00:09:52.880] we've experienced, but in the long run,
[00:09:56.240] it has helped us enormously. I will tell
[00:09:59.600] you that the strength that I got from
[00:10:03.360] being terrified
[00:10:05.519] many times as a kid helped me to become
[00:10:10.080] relatively fearless as I went into the
[00:10:13.360] military and as I went into
[00:10:16.079] um special operations and as I competed
[00:10:20.000] in mixed martial arts before we even
[00:10:22.959] called it mixed martial arts at the
[00:10:24.880] time.
[00:10:25.120] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, so what
[00:10:27.519] doesn't kill you truly does make you
[00:10:30.320] stronger. So I worry that our
[00:10:31.920] governments
[00:10:33.120] >> are like the kid helping the butterfly
[00:10:38.880] too much.
[00:10:40.079] >> Yeah.
[00:10:40.399] >> And what we really need to do and that's
[00:10:42.160] why I'm prepared.
[00:10:44.880] >> Yes. So that's why I'm an advocate for
[00:10:46.399] ripping the band-aid off and stop this
[00:10:49.360] little trickle of information with these
[00:10:54.240] tranches of files that
[00:10:56.320] >> I know.
[00:10:57.440] >> You know, it's it's it's almost boring.
[00:11:00.079] >> You can feel that we're being played,
[00:11:01.839] can't you?
[00:11:02.880] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the challenge.
[00:11:05.120] >> I read that.
[00:11:06.720] >> Yeah. Do
[00:11:07.600] >> you know I I came from a rough tough
[00:11:09.920] neighborhood um in the the second city
[00:11:12.880] of the UK, Birmingham.
[00:11:15.120] not the Alabama variety. [laughter]
[00:11:18.800] Uh, and
[00:11:21.839] I moved to a nicer area once my work and
[00:11:25.440] my finances allowed. And my daughter has
[00:11:29.200] been born and raised in this lovely area
[00:11:33.440] and wonders why I am suspicious of
[00:11:37.040] people.
[00:11:38.560] So when we go out and my eyes are all
[00:11:41.680] over the place and I say, "Come with me
[00:11:43.920] this way." She says, "What is it you've
[00:11:47.279] seen?" And that's the difference between
[00:11:51.200] growing up in a safe area environment,
[00:11:54.800] not having to handle that adversity and
[00:11:57.040] that danger and somebody that's grown up
[00:11:59.839] in a rough tough place and come good.
[00:12:03.839] But I've still got this it's ingrained.
[00:12:08.240] >> So yeah, I totally agree with you there.
[00:12:10.333] [gasps] I was I was going to ask you you
[00:12:12.959] you were getting ahead of me on the
[00:12:14.480] questions.
[00:12:15.600] >> I'm sorry.
[00:12:16.720] >> When you when you look back now at your
[00:12:19.600] childhood, what's the earliest moment
[00:12:22.639] that suggests that something potentially
[00:12:26.320] was interacting with you?
[00:12:29.839] Uh, I would say my my first conscious
[00:12:32.399] memory was around 5 years old. And I've
[00:12:35.839] described this before, uh, but I'll I'll
[00:12:38.720] repeat it again. Uh, you know, just for
[00:12:40.800] your audience. Um, was the the big eyed
[00:12:45.279] uh, ant people is what I call them. Uh,
[00:12:47.839] Terry Lovely calls them the monkey men.
[00:12:50.240] Everybody has different names. Uh, some
[00:12:52.320] people call them the bugs. I considered
[00:12:54.880] them to be ant people because they had
[00:12:56.880] those huge eyes,
[00:12:58.240] >> right?
[00:12:58.639] >> And it was essentially
[00:13:01.040] the the same face that uh Whitney
[00:13:04.320] Strieber
[00:13:06.000] um included that the artist he hired to
[00:13:09.440] come up with that image on his book
[00:13:11.440] >> Communion.
[00:13:12.320] >> Yeah.
[00:13:12.639] >> Yeah.
[00:13:13.440] >> It was that face. There were three of
[00:13:15.360] them and they were looking at me through
[00:13:17.839] my bedroom window. And that was at when
[00:13:20.160] I was around 5 years old. And it it it
[00:13:24.079] wasn't a normal level of fear. It was
[00:13:26.639] terror. It was abject terror that um
[00:13:32.000] resulted in in me trying to scream but I
[00:13:36.720] couldn't. And that's you know in condom
[00:13:38.880] psychology
[00:13:40.480] that's a that's a different level where
[00:13:43.360] it's kind of you know when you look at
[00:13:45.760] the deer in the headlights sort of
[00:13:47.279] situation the freeze mentality.
[00:13:50.639] Um that's that's what's going on there
[00:13:54.000] is that our primitive brain are or you
[00:13:56.399] know near the brain stem
[00:13:58.800] has this protective mechanism
[00:14:02.000] where you freeze first because you want
[00:14:05.839] the predator
[00:14:07.760] to to go after whoever's moving.
[00:14:10.720] >> So if you freeze quicker, you're the
[00:14:13.519] last one to get killed. I I you know I
[00:14:16.560] hate to I hate to look at it. So, um,
[00:14:20.240] and because, you know, I'm all about
[00:14:22.079] trying to fight fear,
[00:14:23.920] >> but the best way to fight fear is not to
[00:14:26.000] ignore it, not to blind yourself.
[00:14:29.360] >> Yeah.
[00:14:30.160] >> Uh, like like the three monkeys, hear no
[00:14:32.720] evil, see no evil. Um,
[00:14:34.880] >> speak
[00:14:36.399] no evil. Right. So,
[00:14:38.639] >> that that's not the best way to fight
[00:14:40.480] fear in my opinion. My opinion and what
[00:14:43.199] fearfighter.org or is all about is
[00:14:47.760] choking out fear like an MMA fighter,
[00:14:51.120] right? And and the way to do it is with
[00:14:55.120] science and awareness and knowledge and
[00:15:00.399] realize
[00:15:01.920] that look,
[00:15:04.160] we are one species in a galaxy teeming
[00:15:07.680] with life.
[00:15:08.480] >> It's got to be.
[00:15:09.920] >> Yeah. But statistics to the rescue
[00:15:12.959] because we know across human cultures on
[00:15:16.720] our planet that 99%
[00:15:20.560] of violent crime is only committed by 1%
[00:15:24.800] of our population. So the likelihood
[00:15:28.639] despite you know as you shared with your
[00:15:31.920] daughter's story right growing up
[00:15:34.720] >> you need we call it keeping your head on
[00:15:36.480] a swivel right keeping aware hyper aware
[00:15:39.440] >> of potential dangers
[00:15:41.519] >> that's that's very worthwhile
[00:15:43.839] >> but that doesn't mean you shoot first
[00:15:45.839] right you're not going to shoot at
[00:15:46.959] anybody you probably weren't even
[00:15:48.320] carrying a weapon I don't
[00:15:50.240] >> no
[00:15:50.720] >> and and I and I I feel enormously
[00:15:54.240] blessed to live in an environment where
[00:15:57.600] I don't feel like I have to carry a
[00:15:59.360] weapon with me all the time.
[00:16:01.120] >> That's good.
[00:16:02.399] >> If I'm in the wilderness in Alaska where
[00:16:05.040] lions and tigers and bears Oh my
[00:16:08.079] >> Yeah.
[00:16:08.639] >> then [laughter] then Yeah. I I probably
[00:16:10.880] will have a weapon.
[00:16:12.480] >> Yeah.
[00:16:12.880] >> Um because we we just need to be able to
[00:16:16.320] protect ourselves. So it it's sort of a
[00:16:18.880] universal truth across the wildlife um
[00:16:23.759] kingdom or queenom, however you
[00:16:25.519] >> Yeah. the larger [clears throat]
[00:16:27.279] wildlife. Yeah.
[00:16:28.800] >> Yep. We all have the right to protect
[00:16:30.720] our kids.
[00:16:32.160] >> That's how we need to start thinking
[00:16:33.839] about it rather than just this planet.
[00:16:37.120] >> It's a larger We're in part of a larger
[00:16:40.480] system, aren't we?
[00:16:42.079] >> That's what I feel. That's that's what
[00:16:44.320] connects the dots for me. And I
[00:16:46.160] understand the skeptics and the people
[00:16:49.839] who who just can't
[00:16:53.759] embrace that worldview, the the the term
[00:16:56.560] that John Mack used a lot, which is the
[00:16:59.680] world view. And our world view is
[00:17:01.920] changing. We're starting to realize that
[00:17:05.760] we are part of a call it galactic or
[00:17:10.160] cosmic society
[00:17:13.120] and we're we're sort of waking up to
[00:17:14.959] that and and so the good part of that is
[00:17:19.520] the potential to unite us and to realize
[00:17:23.600] we got to stop fighting against our own
[00:17:26.959] other humans
[00:17:28.880] and we don't necessarily need to unite
[00:17:31.280] against a common enemy. enemy, but we do
[00:17:33.919] need to embrace what what we have in
[00:17:36.080] common rather than the the negligible
[00:17:39.520] differences in what language or culture
[00:17:42.320] or religious belief or whatever it is.
[00:17:44.559] >> Yeah.
[00:17:44.799] >> We got to break down those walls and
[00:17:46.480] unite rather than having this divisive
[00:17:51.280] >> yes
[00:17:51.600] >> us against them, you against me sort of
[00:17:53.919] approach to
[00:17:56.160] >> this effort. And I think I think we do
[00:17:59.679] that on such a a basic level. Football
[00:18:03.520] teams
[00:18:05.200] um which town you live in. We we're
[00:18:09.039] always joking here about the town next
[00:18:11.760] door. Oh, they must be from and why do
[00:18:15.679] we do this north and south?
[00:18:18.640] >> Oh, he's from the north. He's from the
[00:18:20.320] south. And I don't really understand it.
[00:18:23.039] It's a strange behavior, isn't it? Maybe
[00:18:25.840] it goes back to when we were hunter
[00:18:28.240] gatherers and we were protecting our
[00:18:30.720] patch. Maybe it's to do with that.
[00:18:34.720] >> I think you know if we had if you and I
[00:18:36.960] would recommend um bringing Mike Masters
[00:18:39.760] on on your show as a
[00:18:41.440] >> Mike Masters.
[00:18:42.799] >> Yeah. Do you know Mike Masters and his
[00:18:44.720] >> I don't know about him.
[00:18:46.559] >> Yeah. So Dr. uh uh Mike Michael P.
[00:18:49.840] Masters is a professor of anthropology.
[00:18:54.640] um up in Montana.
[00:18:57.600] >> Okay.
[00:18:58.000] >> And he came up with this extra temporal
[00:19:02.400] alternative to extraterrestrial
[00:19:05.120] hypothesis. And his point was and I and
[00:19:08.240] I really I'm I'm going to screw up and
[00:19:12.480] by trying to mis trying to capture his
[00:19:15.360] >> Yeah. Yeah. theory, but hopefully I'll
[00:19:17.039] I'll I'll do it justice and and you know
[00:19:19.919] it'd be worthwhile for you to bring him
[00:19:21.280] on to to do a much better job of
[00:19:23.840] describing his own theory, but
[00:19:25.200] essentially he noted that the the eyes
[00:19:28.400] and the connection with eyes and the and
[00:19:30.080] the human brain and the the facial
[00:19:33.280] features of at least [snorts] the little
[00:19:36.480] gray guys
[00:19:38.720] to him
[00:19:40.559] present a
[00:19:43.760] um persona or a physical structure with
[00:19:47.679] a bigger head, smaller jaws, bigger eyes
[00:19:52.559] that looks like us in the future, right?
[00:19:56.000] >> Evolution, right?
[00:19:57.120] >> Yes. Yes.
[00:19:57.919] >> And I I vehemently agree with him.
[00:20:02.000] >> Yeah.
[00:20:02.480] >> That that that is a very likely
[00:20:07.520] evolutionary path to little ray goes.
[00:20:10.240] What I don't agree with
[00:20:12.320] >> is to encapsulate all
[00:20:16.080] visitors, all NHI, some who may who may
[00:20:20.160] have originated on this planet and never
[00:20:22.880] left.
[00:20:24.000] >> So, so I don't agree that that theory
[00:20:29.039] explains all of them. When you look in
[00:20:31.360] the back of Richard um Dolan's book,
[00:20:33.840] Alien Agendas, he's got like 30some
[00:20:37.280] individual
[00:20:38.880] descriptive artists rendering of these
[00:20:41.919] visitors.
[00:20:42.960] >> Yeah. and and you know several of them
[00:20:47.039] like seven of them seven or eight of
[00:20:48.880] them all kind of fit in Michael's you
[00:20:52.480] know extra ter uh temporal or extra
[00:20:57.039] tempestual
[00:20:58.720] I'm I'm I'm screwing
[00:21:03.200] >> the same attributes as us digit
[00:21:05.280] opposable fingers and it's very yeah
[00:21:09.360] >> very similar but the other 23
[00:21:15.280] species don't look like that at all. So,
[00:21:17.264] [snorts] I don't agree that Mike's
[00:21:19.919] theory explains all of them.
[00:21:22.559] >> But some of them could be.
[00:21:24.159] >> Yeah. But but certainly some of them it
[00:21:25.760] makes all the sense in the world. And
[00:21:27.200] again, I've said this many times, but if
[00:21:29.200] you can bend spaceime
[00:21:31.919] and kind of like warping like the Star
[00:21:33.679] Trek, you know,
[00:21:35.200] >> warp drive. If you can bend spaceime, we
[00:21:37.679] know this from from Einstein.
[00:21:39.440] >> Yeah.
[00:21:39.679] >> From modern science. If you can bend
[00:21:41.600] space, you can bend time.
[00:21:43.200] >> Yeah. You're a white. That's it. Yeah.
[00:21:45.679] >> Yeah. And you can skip across
[00:21:47.520] dimensions. So in my perspective,
[00:21:51.039] those three are intertwined. So if you
[00:21:53.200] can if you can travel faster than light,
[00:21:55.600] then you can travel across time, you can
[00:21:57.280] travel across dimensions. So all of that
[00:21:59.520] just to say um that this this division
[00:22:05.760] and evolution of this divisive
[00:22:09.679] um tendency where we all huddle around
[00:22:12.400] our stack of corn.
[00:22:14.000] >> Yeah. Um and and we we we have this in
[00:22:18.640] in psychology we have this you know
[00:22:20.720] outgroup in-group sort of division that
[00:22:23.840] is overcome by our desire to get along
[00:22:28.480] >> because we did
[00:22:30.480] >> eventually coales into villages and
[00:22:32.799] cities and so forth. So evolutionarily
[00:22:35.039] speaking yes there is a tendency
[00:22:38.000] >> to consider anybody that's not in our
[00:22:40.000] tribe to be the enemy. But over time, we
[00:22:45.440] evolved to address and embrace unity
[00:22:50.559] over division. And that's that's what we
[00:22:53.600] need to do on a global scale as opposed
[00:22:55.440] to a national scale. And that's that's
[00:22:57.760] why what you're doing here is so
[00:22:58.960] important. In my opinion,
[00:22:59.840] >> I I wish we could because I've got to be
[00:23:02.640] honest with you here, John. I love
[00:23:05.200] nothing more than to share food with
[00:23:07.840] somebody that's from a different culture
[00:23:10.559] or it's so
[00:23:13.760] it's satisfying to do that and to learn
[00:23:16.240] about other people. I don't know why we
[00:23:19.039] fight. Is it just the 1%? Is it just the
[00:23:22.960] governments of the world that have got
[00:23:25.679] an agenda?
[00:23:27.520] uh especially oil um and the oil dollar,
[00:23:32.400] you know, that that seems to be at the
[00:23:35.440] center of a lot of conflicts. Access to
[00:23:39.360] rare earth minerals and oil. I think
[00:23:42.960] successful
[00:23:44.480] um civilizations
[00:23:46.880] have a high demand for those resources
[00:23:51.280] and I think that's what starts to cause
[00:23:55.039] turf wars.
[00:23:57.200] And I think we're seeing that now. We're
[00:23:59.520] seeing it with the US. We're seeing it
[00:24:01.520] with China. We're seeing it with Russia.
[00:24:04.480] They're all cyber rattling.
[00:24:07.280] Um and making sure that they're
[00:24:10.400] protecting their minerals and their
[00:24:12.799] resources.
[00:24:14.320] It's a shame. It's a shame. As a
[00:24:17.039] species, we're much more than that. I I
[00:24:19.919] don't think we even have scratched the
[00:24:21.760] surface on what we're capable of yet.
[00:24:25.520] Um, I don't think we realize that. I
[00:24:27.600] feel like we're being kept dumb dumbed
[00:24:31.120] down. And I feel like there is a 1% that
[00:24:36.320] know so much more than we do and it's
[00:24:39.440] being kept from us.
[00:24:43.120] >> Yeah, I would I would agree with you.
[00:24:44.960] And and you know that 1% sounds like a a
[00:24:47.760] small number, right? Until
[00:24:50.400] >> you start adding the multipliers. So 1%
[00:24:56.240] of a high school graduating class that
[00:24:59.200] only has a hundred uh people in it.
[00:25:02.000] Okay, that's one guy out of a hundred.
[00:25:04.159] Not that big a deal. That's going to be
[00:25:05.840] the psychotic person. And but if your
[00:25:10.159] graduating class from your high school
[00:25:12.000] or your secondary school, what do you
[00:25:13.600] guys call it? Primary versus secondary
[00:25:15.200] school.
[00:25:15.520] >> Yeah, we we we do high school now.
[00:25:18.159] >> We're getting we're getting very
[00:25:20.159] Americanized. [laughter]
[00:25:22.960] be careful with that. That's kind of
[00:25:24.240] like AI, you know. So, um, so there's a
[00:25:28.240] yin to the yang of all that. But in my
[00:25:30.480] high school was a thousand people.
[00:25:34.960] >> Uh, my high school graduating class was
[00:25:37.360] bigger than my West Point class, believe
[00:25:39.120] it or not.
[00:25:39.919] >> Uh, my college graduating class. So the
[00:25:43.120] reason I bring that up is that that now
[00:25:45.440] means it's not just one psycho in a
[00:25:49.360] hundred who doesn't value human life and
[00:25:54.240] and will take it wantingly.
[00:25:57.120] >> Yeah.
[00:25:57.440] >> Uh without a rational process. It's just
[00:25:59.679] a defect in their mind. They're sick
[00:26:01.520] people.
[00:26:02.320] >> Yeah.
[00:26:02.640] >> Uh but out of a thousand now you got 10.
[00:26:06.320] So, what if those 10
[00:26:09.679] uh folks who who have this psychosis and
[00:26:13.919] don't value human life like the rest of
[00:26:16.640] us, what if those 10 happen to be in
[00:26:20.400] charge?
[00:26:21.200] >> Yeah.
[00:26:21.760] >> Now, you start to have a problem, right?
[00:26:23.679] >> Yeah. I think we have.
[00:26:25.679] >> Yeah. Well, and and in the military
[00:26:27.919] world,
[00:26:29.440] what's very problematic about that is if
[00:26:32.480] those 10 folks end up as the command
[00:26:37.279] structure
[00:26:39.200] um in charge of an entire brigade, for
[00:26:41.360] example, or and now now you have this
[00:26:44.960] this entire crew of a thousand people,
[00:26:48.080] whether or not it's a thousand people
[00:26:50.240] aboard a Navy ship and following this
[00:26:52.400] one psychotic captain or a thousand
[00:26:56.480] troops in a brigade and they're
[00:26:57.760] following this one psychotic colonel,
[00:27:00.559] right? And so that's that's what I worry
[00:27:03.520] about. And so we need to really
[00:27:05.440] scrutinize
[00:27:07.520] uh the people who we consider leaders or
[00:27:10.400] the people that we elect as leaders. We
[00:27:14.640] need to screen those. We need to
[00:27:16.400] scrutinize them for this psychotic sort
[00:27:19.200] of behavior. And that's what I worry
[00:27:21.360] about
[00:27:21.840] >> where become tyrants, right? My concern
[00:27:25.919] is that democracy is dying. Um, the UK
[00:27:30.320] at the moment is in a terrible
[00:27:33.120] situation. Our democratic process is
[00:27:37.520] being ridden over rough rough shod. Um,
[00:27:41.919] let's just choose a new prime minister.
[00:27:44.799] Choose a new prime minister. That should
[00:27:47.200] go to the country. There's 70 million
[00:27:49.600] people in the UK and that should go to a
[00:27:52.640] vote. That's what democracy is. But no,
[00:27:57.120] they just chose a new leader, a new
[00:28:00.159] prime minister with no mandate
[00:28:03.520] and he's just doing what he wants.
[00:28:06.240] That's not a democracy. It's shaking my
[00:28:09.919] belief in this country and and the
[00:28:12.799] democracy that it was founded on. Um
[00:28:16.320] it's very concerning. Please don't let
[00:28:18.720] that happen to your country because it's
[00:28:21.360] it can happen.
[00:28:23.840] I I I believe it can. And and of all
[00:28:28.320] the warning bells
[00:28:30.640] that should be ringing,
[00:28:34.080] tampering with the election process is
[00:28:37.840] the loudest.
[00:28:39.039] >> Yep.
[00:28:39.679] >> Because that's what tyrants throughout
[00:28:42.399] history
[00:28:44.000] did.
[00:28:44.640] >> Yeah.
[00:28:45.039] >> Is they And that's and and you see it in
[00:28:47.360] Russia with Putin.
[00:28:48.559] >> Yeah. You see it all over the planet
[00:28:51.039] where the very first well it's it's not
[00:28:54.480] necessarily the first but um one of the
[00:28:57.360] most important aspects of tyranny
[00:29:00.640] is tampering with the election process
[00:29:03.840] because that is the corrosive element
[00:29:06.480] that takes a democracy down
[00:29:09.600] >> is tampering with that election process
[00:29:12.640] bothers
[00:29:13.520] >> they even told us that certain towns and
[00:29:17.520] cities
[00:29:18.480] couldn't vote this time.
[00:29:21.279] >> Yeah, that's a that's a big problem.
[00:29:23.520] >> But again, you know, I want to take this
[00:29:25.200] from the pessimistic side into the
[00:29:27.039] optimistic side. Um, you know, we're
[00:29:30.399] waking up to that.
[00:29:31.679] >> Yeah.
[00:29:32.080] >> And we are
[00:29:32.880] >> and and there is a there is a
[00:29:36.320] potential for
[00:29:38.799] the embrace um the the acceptance and
[00:29:42.640] the convergence on unity versus division
[00:29:46.240] that can overcome that. And so as we as
[00:29:49.600] the disclosure movement continues to
[00:29:52.480] gather steam and we start to realize
[00:29:55.679] that
[00:29:56.720] >> you know we are uh members of this sort
[00:30:01.120] of galactic um
[00:30:03.919] >> society or cosmic society.
[00:30:06.640] >> Yeah. Now we start to realize, well, you
[00:30:10.320] know, maybe our own government is not
[00:30:13.919] the ultimate authority like we've been
[00:30:16.240] raised to to to
[00:30:18.720] believe. And so that is another
[00:30:21.279] rationale for the government's
[00:30:24.320] insecurity
[00:30:25.840] that is causing this cover up. They
[00:30:27.679] don't want to lose power.
[00:30:29.279] >> We call them civil servants. I I think
[00:30:32.000] you call them staffers.
[00:30:34.240] Um but
[00:30:34.960] >> well I I was a civil servant
[00:30:37.679] >> so we do call ourselves civil servants.
[00:30:40.080] >> Oh you do.
[00:30:40.720] >> So was Sue Alzando Dave Grush.
[00:30:43.120] >> Yeah.
[00:30:43.440] >> Christopher Melon. We're you know a lot
[00:30:45.520] of if you're a civilian
[00:30:47.919] >> u working for the government you're a
[00:30:49.840] civil servant. But that second word is
[00:30:52.480] absolutely crucial. I really love that
[00:30:54.399] you brought this up.
[00:30:55.600] >> It is
[00:30:56.159] >> because a servant
[00:30:59.279] serves others.
[00:31:00.559] >> Yeah. A servant does not oppress others.
[00:31:05.679] >> Correct?
[00:31:06.159] >> Right. So, we have people calling
[00:31:08.399] themselves civil servants that are all
[00:31:10.799] about deception
[00:31:13.279] and controlling a narrative rather than
[00:31:18.080] serving the populace that they're
[00:31:20.480] supposed to be um assisting.
[00:31:23.360] >> Yes. And we are suffering that. Um, so
[00:31:27.440] much so that they had a prime minister
[00:31:29.520] removed.
[00:31:32.799] They they engineered that and off she
[00:31:35.279] went and was made to look um, you know,
[00:31:38.640] on the TV like a complete idiot. And
[00:31:41.600] she's gone she's gone public now to say
[00:31:45.360] the threats that she had. I mean, we're
[00:31:47.440] getting away from but th this is this is
[00:31:52.080] all about why explaining why we're not
[00:31:54.880] getting disclosure because control is so
[00:31:58.320] important to these people. Controlling
[00:32:00.720] the narrative, controlling the the
[00:32:02.799] status quo. Um it it concerns me and
[00:32:07.120] democracy at the moment feels like a
[00:32:09.919] front.
[00:32:11.760] you know, our our democratically elected
[00:32:14.399] officials,
[00:32:16.000] it feels like they're not in charge.
[00:32:18.480] Somebody behind the scenes is in charge.
[00:32:21.760] There's obviously a reason why they
[00:32:24.080] don't want us to have this information.
[00:32:26.640] Is it the fact that it completely ruins
[00:32:29.919] world economies because at the moment
[00:32:32.880] we're paying crazy money for energy, for
[00:32:36.000] oil, for gas, and it would do away with
[00:32:38.960] that clean energy. And we know because
[00:32:42.240] Tesla was doing it in his sleep. Tesla
[00:32:45.440] had Tesla had had found a way to do it
[00:32:48.720] and they got they silenced him.
[00:32:51.519] Everybody that finds a way to either do
[00:32:54.159] clean energy or anti-gravity, they don't
[00:32:57.760] last 5 minutes.
[00:32:59.840] Uh Amy Escridge, have you seen that poor
[00:33:02.320] girl? Um she her and her father
[00:33:06.559] >> I'm very familiar with Amy Esridge. It's
[00:33:09.279] such a sad sad story, but they were all
[00:33:12.960] over the anti-gravity.
[00:33:15.200] You know, there's clever people amongst
[00:33:17.120] us, but they're being silenced.
[00:33:20.559] >> Well, so, so I agree with your concerns,
[00:33:25.600] Alex. I I really do. I I deeply uh I I I
[00:33:30.799] share your concerns and your worries,
[00:33:33.039] but I but I would like to sort of inject
[00:33:36.080] some optimism here into the the
[00:33:38.559] narrative.
[00:33:39.360] >> Uhhuh.
[00:33:40.000] >> Uh because
[00:33:42.000] it is out there, right? We're talking
[00:33:44.320] about it. We it, you know, Tesla's
[00:33:47.360] story, by the way, you know, one of his
[00:33:49.679] most important research activities was
[00:33:52.640] done in Colorado Springs where where my
[00:33:56.000] uh kids live. Huh. And I I live just
[00:33:58.799] north of that. But um the the use of the
[00:34:04.559] internet, you know, bring us back to
[00:34:06.159] technology, the internet is allowing us
[00:34:10.320] to wake up to this, to understand this.
[00:34:13.919] >> Yeah. You know, without the internet, I
[00:34:15.760] doubt that many people would ever have
[00:34:17.440] heard of Amy Escridge or or any or or
[00:34:21.200] Neil McCaslin or any of these other
[00:34:22.879] folks that
[00:34:23.679] >> Yeah.
[00:34:24.079] >> are are in this um this realm.
[00:34:28.000] >> I um and so
[00:34:30.960] so the optimism is that the word is
[00:34:34.079] getting out
[00:34:35.280] >> and it takes a while. It's not as fast
[00:34:37.359] as any of us wants,
[00:34:39.200] >> but it is getting out there as as one
[00:34:41.839] case in point. Uh I was I was blessed
[00:34:45.919] with a opportunity. I was invited to
[00:34:49.440] attend the recent UAP
[00:34:52.639] uh disclosure foundations forum in the
[00:34:55.200] Russell building on Capitol Hill back on
[00:34:57.920] 25 uh June about a month ago.
[00:35:00.960] >> Yeah.
[00:35:01.839] >> And uh I've got to tell you initially I
[00:35:06.240] was very disappointed. It was just the
[00:35:10.240] same old blah blah blah blah blah of
[00:35:13.520] lights in the sky, etc. But then there
[00:35:17.119] was a a panel
[00:35:19.599] which had Chris Melon, um Marian uh uh
[00:35:24.079] Admiral Tim Galardet, Dr. Tim Galardet.
[00:35:26.960] Yeah. Uh Marian von Renamp and uh Kirk
[00:35:30.079] McConnell.
[00:35:31.040] >> Yeah.
[00:35:31.760] >> And of all those guys, Kirk McConnell
[00:35:35.040] blew me away. He he said at and and for
[00:35:39.599] your viewers if they want to go look at
[00:35:41.599] this on YouTube at 2 hours 32 minutes
[00:35:46.480] and 20 seconds he said the following
[00:35:49.839] thing that really just shook me up. I I
[00:35:54.320] had already gotten out of my seat
[00:35:56.320] because I was on the verge of falling
[00:35:57.839] asleep [laughter]
[00:35:59.760] and I because it was so boring. It was
[00:36:02.800] all the same old stuff that we' heard
[00:36:04.480] time and time again. Yeah.
[00:36:06.400] >> Uh but people who are not tuned in on
[00:36:09.119] this subject, it was probably new to
[00:36:11.040] them, so it was probably very valuable
[00:36:12.400] for them.
[00:36:13.280] >> But this is what Kirk said.
[00:36:15.520] >> Uh it was an addendum. They were talking
[00:36:17.440] about whistleblower protections and
[00:36:19.760] whether or not we really need them
[00:36:22.079] because nobody had been thrown in jail
[00:36:25.520] uh for sharing classified information
[00:36:28.320] with Congress in the right environment.
[00:36:32.079] And then Kirk and some other folks
[00:36:34.640] pointed out that well wait a minute you
[00:36:37.200] don't have to throw somebody in jail to
[00:36:38.960] punishment. You can administratively
[00:36:41.599] destroy their lives by taking their
[00:36:43.440] security clearance away.
[00:36:44.640] >> So that that has been common throughout
[00:36:46.960] the cover up.
[00:36:48.000] >> Yeah.
[00:36:48.400] >> Um and so the one of the so it was kind
[00:36:51.680] of a dark cloud for me uh that seven
[00:36:54.960] hours of of YouTube video. But again, if
[00:36:57.680] you fast forward to 2 hours 32 minutes
[00:36:59.839] and 20 seconds, Kirk said this. He said,
[00:37:03.119] I would also say that as some people
[00:37:06.160] have brought up here today, the people
[00:37:07.839] who have uh, you know, encountered NHI
[00:37:11.280] beings either by being abducted or, you
[00:37:13.839] know, via close encounters,
[00:37:16.400] uh, they have a lot of information. They
[00:37:19.680] have been marginalized and ridiculed for
[00:37:22.640] decades upon decades. But they are a
[00:37:26.800] repository
[00:37:28.800] of you know knowledge about the nature
[00:37:32.400] of these beings and how they communicate
[00:37:35.200] what they communicate and what they say
[00:37:38.880] that they're here for why they say
[00:37:41.839] they're behaving the way they do. So I
[00:37:44.400] think there is a great untapped
[00:37:45.920] potential in the private sector to pitch
[00:37:48.640] in and solve this problem. So his point
[00:37:50.480] was never mind what the government's
[00:37:52.880] doing, you know, in private and using
[00:37:55.359] the internet like you're using right
[00:37:57.200] now.
[00:37:57.760] >> Yeah.
[00:37:58.560] >> Giving experiencers
[00:38:01.680] the opportunity to share their
[00:38:03.680] information. That is so important.
[00:38:06.079] >> It really is.
[00:38:07.760] >> And for me, it's a it's a message of
[00:38:09.599] unity.
[00:38:10.560] >> Yeah. I I I want to I want to segue and
[00:38:13.920] cite the um Alagash abductions, the the
[00:38:19.520] Alagash for Are you familiar with that
[00:38:21.440] case?
[00:38:21.680] >> Yes, I am. Yeah.
[00:38:23.440] >> Yeah. So um long after So that was in
[00:38:27.680] the 70s.
[00:38:28.800] >> Uhhuh. Um, and you know, all you know, I
[00:38:33.599] want to say at least three decades,
[00:38:36.400] maybe four decades later, one of the
[00:38:38.880] Weiner twins, I think it was Jack, it
[00:38:40.720] might have been Jim, but I'm not sure
[00:38:41.920] which one, but but one of them had
[00:38:44.800] become an amateur astronomer
[00:38:47.520] after their experience.
[00:38:49.760] And he said he had just received a
[00:38:52.160] magazine,
[00:38:53.760] uh, you know, he'd signed up for this
[00:38:55.440] astronomy magazine.
[00:38:57.119] >> Mh. And as he opened it up and he saw
[00:39:00.480] for the first time there was a
[00:39:02.400] representation of our galaxy from an
[00:39:05.200] orthogonal perspective. So you know we
[00:39:07.760] see the the Milky Way edge on right like
[00:39:10.320] Saturn rings edge on.
[00:39:12.480] >> So we don't get to see it from a
[00:39:14.960] vertical perspective of this spinning
[00:39:17.040] disc.
[00:39:17.760] >> Yeah. And and what he recalled
[00:39:21.520] from
[00:39:23.119] during his abduction experience with
[00:39:24.880] these, you know, big bug ant looking
[00:39:27.920] people is he was so upset
[00:39:31.839] what they were doing to him, you know,
[00:39:34.000] while being paralyzed that he didn't
[00:39:36.880] believe any of what they were telling
[00:39:38.720] him because they were deceivers. They
[00:39:40.800] were they were lying to him about we're
[00:39:43.359] not going to hurt you. And yet there he
[00:39:45.119] is in this tremendous pain.
[00:39:47.839] >> So he considered them to be deceptive.
[00:39:50.880] >> Yeah.
[00:39:51.280] >> In everything they did.
[00:39:52.880] >> And they told, you know, he asked him,
[00:39:55.040] this was all telepathically. He asked
[00:39:56.800] them, you know, well, where are you
[00:39:57.839] from? And um they showed him a picture
[00:40:01.359] of a bar galaxy, which is um it has like
[00:40:06.320] two opposing um aspects like this and a
[00:40:10.640] bar in the middle. And they said, "This
[00:40:13.839] is your galaxy, and we're way over here
[00:40:17.119] on this arm, and you guys are like way
[00:40:20.400] over on this side." So, we're we're
[00:40:22.320] we're way across the galaxy from you.
[00:40:26.000] And we live in a little cluster here of
[00:40:29.119] solar systems
[00:40:31.040] where uh we have advanced spiritually
[00:40:36.800] to embrace love instead of hate, to
[00:40:40.160] embrace unity instead of division.
[00:40:44.560] And in his mind, he was like, "This is
[00:40:48.240] all a bunch of crap. you're just trying
[00:40:50.160] to use this as an excuse for tampering
[00:40:53.680] with me as a lower species. So, fast
[00:40:56.960] forward to this flashback that he has
[00:40:59.599] while he's reading this this um uh
[00:41:03.359] astronomy magazine
[00:41:05.520] and he's like this you guys are full of
[00:41:07.680] crap because we don't live in a bar
[00:41:09.760] galaxy. We're not a bar galaxy. The
[00:41:12.319] Milky Way is not a bar galaxy. And so
[00:41:14.400] for 40 years he believe he believed that
[00:41:16.880] the the Milky Way was not a bar galaxy.
[00:41:19.839] And then he sees this picture in this
[00:41:21.920] astronomy magazine and blows his mind.
[00:41:26.560] We do live in a bar galaxy. We don't
[00:41:29.440] think it is because we've never seen it
[00:41:31.119] orthogonally. So it takes a while for
[00:41:33.359] Voyager and some of these other uh
[00:41:35.680] spacecraft to get out there. And and so
[00:41:38.400] it blew him away.
[00:41:40.160] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:41:40.560] >> And he's like, "Holy crap, these guys
[00:41:42.960] that I thought were lying to me,
[00:41:44.960] >> we're telling them the truth.
[00:41:45.920] >> Telling the truth from the get- go." And
[00:41:48.480] so, bring that back to Kirk McConnell's
[00:41:51.599] statement, that's the kind of
[00:41:54.240] information that experiencers
[00:41:57.760] need to share with the world.
[00:42:00.079] >> And to have a very senior me uh uh
[00:42:03.839] member of our government
[00:42:05.520] >> say that
[00:42:07.040] >> to say that, that was phenomenal to me.
[00:42:10.000] So despite all the rest of the continued
[00:42:13.040] sort of oppression and suppression of
[00:42:15.599] everybody else that spoke before and
[00:42:17.119] after Kirk, that made it worthwhile for
[00:42:20.400] me to go all the way to Washington DC
[00:42:22.160] and hear that statement.
[00:42:23.760] >> Do you know something? What worries me
[00:42:26.240] is look how far advanced people like us
[00:42:30.480] are in I mean you much more because you
[00:42:34.079] you've had these experiences personally
[00:42:37.359] but I'm experiencing an awakening
[00:42:40.960] and we're this far down the track and it
[00:42:44.640] seems like we never stop learning about
[00:42:46.960] this.
[00:42:48.480] How is a normal Joe getting up and doing
[00:42:52.000] the 9 to5 and not giving this a second
[00:42:54.800] thought going to react to this? I mean,
[00:42:58.240] this is pretty major. Um, I spoke to
[00:43:02.000] James Fox briefly. I've got James Fox
[00:43:04.800] coming on the podcast actually. I'm
[00:43:07.119] really excited about it. Yeah.
[00:43:09.040] >> And I I asked him outright. I said,
[00:43:11.760] "James,
[00:43:13.280] are they real?" And he said, "Yes, they
[00:43:16.640] are. They're here and they've been here
[00:43:19.920] for a very long time. And I'll tell you
[00:43:23.280] something, [snorts] John. I sat back in
[00:43:25.920] my chair and
[00:43:28.079] that's all I could think of. It's all I
[00:43:30.720] could think of was what he said to me.
[00:43:34.480] And I'm speaking to I don't like the
[00:43:37.599] word experiencer because a lot of you
[00:43:39.760] have been abducted against your will.
[00:43:42.800] Are your abductees? And it's an awful
[00:43:45.200] word, but I think you are. And um some
[00:43:49.200] of the stuff that you tell me, it would
[00:43:52.160] be multiple felonies. If if I was to go
[00:43:55.680] and do this against a neighbor, you'd be
[00:43:59.040] talking about multiple home invasion.
[00:44:02.240] You know,
[00:44:04.000] it's not good, is it? It's not good.
[00:44:06.240] I've been interviewing uh two guys in
[00:44:09.119] New York, uh Sean and Chris Oolir. Um,
[00:44:13.760] they have been abducted since I think
[00:44:16.079] they were four and six. Their mother was
[00:44:19.119] being abducted first. They knew nothing
[00:44:22.480] about it for years.
[00:44:24.240] >> I know I know the Oly brothers. I And
[00:44:26.720] I've spoken with them
[00:44:28.400] >> uh several times. Yeah.
[00:44:30.640] >> Yeah. And and as soon as
[00:44:34.000] >> as soon as that cycle was broken of them
[00:44:36.480] not remembering just like just like
[00:44:39.440] yourself John
[00:44:41.520] >> all of a sudden hang on a minute these
[00:44:44.480] aren't dreams and that that's when you
[00:44:47.520] have that realization
[00:44:49.839] um I I was going to say to you how do
[00:44:53.520] you feel about the grays do you feel a
[00:44:56.079] sinister reason for them being here or
[00:44:59.599] is it just a minor minority of them John
[00:45:02.480] that are like that are they like us in
[00:45:06.000] terms of civilization where it is a
[00:45:08.640] small percentage that have got that bad
[00:45:10.880] gene
[00:45:12.880] you know is there a society somewhere a
[00:45:15.119] larger society that would be welcoming
[00:45:18.319] this is what we don't know isn't it
[00:45:20.640] we're only seeing what the only example
[00:45:24.560] we've got is what we're going through as
[00:45:27.200] as experiences
[00:45:30.319] Um, how would you characterize their
[00:45:33.599] behavior? I mean, did you find them like
[00:45:36.160] clinical?
[00:45:38.240] How how would you characterize them?
[00:45:41.520] >> Yeah. So, lots to unpack there and very
[00:45:44.000] insightful question. So, thank you for
[00:45:45.680] that. No, this is wonderful. So, um,
[00:45:49.066] [clears throat] you know, in fighting
[00:45:51.599] fear, back to this this situation,
[00:45:56.880] people wonder, well, well, how can you
[00:45:58.560] claim to be a fear fighter when you're
[00:46:00.079] talking about this terrifying experience
[00:46:02.480] where this this praying mantis is is in
[00:46:05.680] your head uh putting this projection of
[00:46:08.400] ripping the flesh up your face and all
[00:46:10.000] the rest of that
[00:46:12.240] that this is part of the the MMA
[00:46:16.480] fighter. approach to this is recognizing
[00:46:20.880] what the agenda is. First of all,
[00:46:22.800] >> yeah,
[00:46:23.599] >> the fact that the Olri brothers and
[00:46:26.240] myself and Terry Loveace and Mario Woods
[00:46:29.920] and Jeff Goodrich and Robert Hastings
[00:46:33.040] and Bob Jacobs and Bob Salace, all of
[00:46:36.880] these uncra, they can't be crazy because
[00:46:40.240] we had access to nuclear weapons, right?
[00:46:42.240] >> Highly credible,
[00:46:43.760] >> right? And so all of these people
[00:46:48.800] uh have been returned. So it's a it's a
[00:46:53.920] catch and release situation.
[00:46:56.160] >> So here we are fish swimming in the
[00:46:57.920] ocean. We get plucked out onto the onto
[00:47:00.960] the deck of the ship
[00:47:02.400] >> and we get looked at, you know, they're
[00:47:04.319] going to look at our reproductive
[00:47:06.880] uh activities and so forth and then they
[00:47:09.280] throw us back in. Now it's it's cold and
[00:47:12.240] dispassionate
[00:47:13.920] but look at what we do to the life forms
[00:47:18.640] that we consider to be uh lower on the
[00:47:25.280] intellectual even the spiritual level
[00:47:28.319] >> we used to do this with polar bears
[00:47:30.319] >> to re to study Soviet Union uh nuclear
[00:47:35.440] testing and it's not just enough to look
[00:47:37.680] at the the the fallout out.
[00:47:40.560] >> You got to track that fallout, that
[00:47:42.560] radiation as it's absorbed into the
[00:47:45.359] plants and the flora and then consumed
[00:47:49.040] by the fauna, the animals that eat it
[00:47:52.000] and it by a concentration in their body.
[00:47:54.079] So we did this after Chernobyl. We did
[00:47:56.960] this throughout the Cold War.
[00:47:58.720] >> Yeah.
[00:47:59.440] >> And we treated polar bears the same way,
[00:48:02.240] >> you know, hover over them with our
[00:48:03.920] helicopter,
[00:48:05.040] >> which is our UFO.
[00:48:06.640] >> We tranquilize them.
[00:48:08.560] Yeah.
[00:48:08.960] >> Uh, we knock them out just like they did
[00:48:11.280] with us. We we take the mama polar bear
[00:48:14.960] and the cubs. We bring them on to the
[00:48:16.800] mother ship. This this research vessel
[00:48:19.359] that Tim Galidet might have been the
[00:48:21.760] captain of, right? Or or at least the
[00:48:24.559] admiral in charge of the whole
[00:48:26.000] expedition. We take scoop marks out of
[00:48:28.480] them. We check their reproductive organs
[00:48:31.280] >> and then we we sling them back
[00:48:33.280] underneath this helicopter, drop them
[00:48:35.359] back on the iceberg and then we fly
[00:48:37.119] away.
[00:48:38.079] >> How do we know that that mother polar
[00:48:41.040] bear is not absolutely traumatized?
[00:48:44.240] >> Yeah. when she wakes up
[00:48:46.400] >> and her her polar bear cubs are not
[00:48:50.000] right next to her cuz when she got taken
[00:48:53.280] >> she was facing this way and she saw her
[00:48:55.280] polar bear cubs
[00:48:56.720] >> and then when she got flipped back down
[00:48:58.480] they're behind her,
[00:49:00.160] >> right? How do we know that she's not
[00:49:01.760] traumatized? So,
[00:49:04.240] >> it's I I can forgive. I talk about
[00:49:07.200] forgiveness a lot in my book at the at
[00:49:09.440] the very end of it.
[00:49:10.720] >> Uhhuh.
[00:49:11.119] >> There's three entities to forgive. One
[00:49:14.160] is the abductors.
[00:49:17.040] Two is my own government for covering
[00:49:19.760] this up because it's so terrifying. And
[00:49:22.400] three is myself
[00:49:24.640] for not being able to protect my own
[00:49:26.480] kids,
[00:49:27.440] >> not being able to to So there's lots of
[00:49:30.559] levels of this. That's why forgiveness
[00:49:32.319] is such a critical thing to this.
[00:49:34.160] >> Yeah. So, I know it's terrifying for all
[00:49:37.760] of us to be abducted. And I agree with
[00:49:40.400] your differentiation between
[00:49:42.720] experiencers and abductees and and so
[00:49:45.760] and we used to have in the 50s we used
[00:49:47.520] to call them contacties
[00:49:50.160] >> who you know these folks that were
[00:49:52.079] welcomed aboard the craft and went
[00:49:54.720] voluntarily
[00:49:56.559] uh etc. But here's the problem
[00:50:00.000] >> that behavioral scientists all face.
[00:50:04.800] is if we are truly going to study the
[00:50:09.119] behavior of other humans or any other
[00:50:13.280] species, especially, you know, if you're
[00:50:15.680] a veterinarian and you you're studying
[00:50:18.079] with the intent to help the Labrador
[00:50:20.559] retriever like my beloved Teddy the
[00:50:22.480] Bear. Um, if you're studying that
[00:50:26.160] behavior,
[00:50:29.040] you have to be sometimes you have to be
[00:50:32.160] deceptive. You have to hide from them.
[00:50:34.400] >> Yes.
[00:50:34.960] >> Because the Heisenberg principle where a
[00:50:39.040] uh injecting
[00:50:40.880] a subatomic particle influences the
[00:50:44.079] other subatomic particles in there.
[00:50:46.240] >> Yeah. You know, when you extract that
[00:50:47.839] out in psychology, we have the Hawthorne
[00:50:49.680] principle, which is very similar where
[00:50:52.240] if if you put a bunch of people in white
[00:50:55.040] lab coats in a factory to study the
[00:50:59.359] effect of lighting on productivity.
[00:51:01.599] Well, it turned out what Horn uh
[00:51:04.400] discovered or what that study discovered
[00:51:06.800] was the lighting did not increase the
[00:51:10.559] productivity because when you increased
[00:51:13.520] the lighting and switched out the lights
[00:51:16.000] to fluorescent light bulbs, yeah,
[00:51:18.640] productivity went up, but then later
[00:51:22.800] after they took those light bulbs back
[00:51:24.800] out, productivity went up again. SO,
[00:51:28.319] IT'S LIKE WHAT? So the the light bulb
[00:51:31.040] manufacturers wanted to take that
[00:51:32.559] research and sell a bunch of light bulbs
[00:51:34.720] and they couldn't because putting them
[00:51:37.599] in changed productivity, taking them out
[00:51:40.960] changed both positive. And so it turned
[00:51:43.760] out that what was changing productivity,
[00:51:46.559] what was increasing productivity
[00:51:49.040] >> was the lab people and lab coach with
[00:51:50.960] clipboards
[00:51:52.240] >> cuz people in the FACTORY ARE LIKE, "OH,
[00:51:54.880] YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION to us now.
[00:51:57.200] >> So that's why I'm going to work harder."
[00:51:59.440] So,
[00:52:00.319] >> so behavioral science is very similar
[00:52:03.359] >> and I love Jane Goodall. I think she was
[00:52:05.359] a magnificent scientist,
[00:52:07.520] >> but her research is deeply flawed.
[00:52:10.960] >> And I'm I'm going on record as a
[00:52:12.800] scientist criticizing her. So, a lot a
[00:52:17.680] lot of great stuff came out of her. So I
[00:52:19.520] I she's a wonderful scientist, but from
[00:52:22.559] a behavioral science standpoint, it's
[00:52:24.800] inherently flawed
[00:52:26.720] >> because she was influencing those
[00:52:30.559] primates that she was studying.
[00:52:32.960] >> Yes.
[00:52:33.520] >> She didn't hide in a duck blind.
[00:52:35.839] >> She didn't cover herself in urine like
[00:52:38.480] hunters do.
[00:52:39.599] >> Yeah.
[00:52:40.319] >> I know. I know that sounds gross, but
[00:52:42.079] that's what you got to do. [laughter]
[00:52:43.359] >> Yeah. And so and and cognitive
[00:52:46.240] psychologists across the planet all do
[00:52:49.040] this.
[00:52:50.000] >> We invite you into our laboratory and
[00:52:52.559] tell you that you know what we're
[00:52:54.480] studying is learning effectiveness.
[00:52:57.839] >> Yeah.
[00:52:58.400] >> And and so we're deceiving you. We're
[00:53:01.200] telling you, Alex, come into my
[00:53:02.559] laboratory. We're going to study how how
[00:53:04.400] you learn and we're going to look at
[00:53:06.319] your memory.
[00:53:07.280] >> That's not what we're studying at all.
[00:53:09.119] What we're studying is how you respond
[00:53:12.559] to a role player as you're turning in
[00:53:15.440] the survey and you got to walk down into
[00:53:17.760] the basement and that person calls you
[00:53:20.000] an
[00:53:21.440] >> Yeah. [snorts]
[00:53:22.160] >> What we're studying is how you respond
[00:53:24.160] to that person, never mind what you
[00:53:26.000] filled out on the paper. And so we are
[00:53:30.160] deceptive.
[00:53:31.440] >> Yeah.
[00:53:31.920] >> We we cause pain.
[00:53:34.240] >> Yeah.
[00:53:34.720] >> And harm.
[00:53:37.119] we study. And so I believe that the
[00:53:40.800] folks that took the Oly brothers and and
[00:53:43.520] many of us were just scientists. They're
[00:53:47.200] just trying to study us.
[00:53:49.760] >> And is it terrifying? Yes.
[00:53:52.720] >> So we are essentially dolphins caught in
[00:53:56.400] the fishnet.
[00:53:58.160] And so for for us to convey to the
[00:54:01.760] fishermen, hey look,
[00:54:03.760] >> quit treating us like the other fish,
[00:54:06.720] the best way we could do that is to not
[00:54:09.440] attack other dolphins.
[00:54:11.200] >> Yeah.
[00:54:11.520] >> As you pointed out, and not squabble
[00:54:14.000] over oil and food and and lithium and
[00:54:17.920] precious metals.
[00:54:19.280] >> The more that we attack other dolphins,
[00:54:22.000] the more likely that we're going to be
[00:54:24.480] treated just like the other fish in the
[00:54:26.319] ocean. We need to mature, don't we? We
[00:54:28.400] need to mature as a species.
[00:54:30.880] >> Um, a a very interesting thing that you
[00:54:33.359] said there was about the fact that
[00:54:36.160] >> um we sedate and immobilize
[00:54:39.359] especially cattle. If you want to do an
[00:54:42.720] operation or an injection on a cow or do
[00:54:45.839] something, you've got to immobilize it
[00:54:48.079] because it's a big dangerous animal.
[00:54:51.200] I should imagine wear that to the
[00:54:53.119] graves. Um, we're pretty much naked
[00:54:57.040] apes, aren't we? Um, and we're and we're
[00:54:59.920] strong. We live on a planet with a
[00:55:02.640] punishing gravity, which we we've got
[00:55:05.760] used to fighting all the time. So,
[00:55:07.920] physically, we're strong. We're not as
[00:55:10.079] advanced as them. Travis Walton proved
[00:55:13.839] this when he just brushed them out the
[00:55:17.040] way like they didn't exist.
[00:55:19.359] uh and they ran off straight away and
[00:55:21.119] fetched uh a taller gray to come and
[00:55:23.520] subdue him. That's why. So, you know,
[00:55:27.200] you've got a really good way of
[00:55:28.480] explaining these things, John. It's It's
[00:55:31.040] really made me think differently.
[00:55:33.839] >> Well, I love what you just brought up.
[00:55:35.839] I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. I'm
[00:55:37.119] sorry.
[00:55:37.359] >> No, no, no, it's fine. Um it's so easy
[00:55:40.720] to get onto the track of um they're
[00:55:45.040] sinister. You know, they're not friendly
[00:55:47.359] to us. They're not here for our benefit.
[00:55:49.839] They might not be here for our benefit
[00:55:52.160] actually, but they they could be just
[00:55:54.880] studying us like you're saying.
[00:55:57.440] >> I love that you brought up
[00:55:59.359] >> I love that you brought up Travis Walton
[00:56:01.280] because he blew me away uh last month
[00:56:04.640] because he's continues to do podcast and
[00:56:06.720] everything because he's such a
[00:56:08.319] magnificent, courageous, he's he's one
[00:56:11.119] of my my heroes. um
[00:56:14.000] >> you know, right up there with Lou
[00:56:15.119] Alzando and Gary Nolan and and and so
[00:56:18.240] many other folks
[00:56:19.680] >> and all the everybody I've already
[00:56:21.040] mentioned, not to mention Kathy Martin
[00:56:23.040] and uh Ivonne Smith and and all these
[00:56:26.000] folks that are are really
[00:56:28.079] >> pushing, you know, uh pushing the needle
[00:56:30.960] >> uh moving the needle towards disclosure.
[00:56:33.040] >> Eric Berles,
[00:56:33.839] >> what? Say that again.
[00:56:36.160] >> Eric Berles.
[00:56:37.839] >> Oh, absolutely. I've got to mention him
[00:56:40.079] because that that guy looks like he's
[00:56:42.559] running himself into the ground for
[00:56:44.559] this.
[00:56:45.599] >> He really does. I I think we should all
[00:56:48.160] be really thankful. And he started out
[00:56:50.400] as a skeptic as well.
[00:56:52.559] >> Oh, absolutely. Yep. I I've met him and
[00:56:56.640] consider him very much a hero within,
[00:56:59.680] you know, that UAP caucus
[00:57:02.720] >> in Congress along with Tim Bett and and
[00:57:04.960] and Aluna and and Audrey Carlson. so
[00:57:08.160] many uh Christian Jellybrand, a lot of
[00:57:10.400] those folks. Um
[00:57:11.359] >> yeah,
[00:57:12.319] >> so uh but back to Travis, what he said
[00:57:17.280] was was monumental to me and it hasn't
[00:57:20.480] gotten enough attention in my opinion.
[00:57:22.240] And what he said was that,
[00:57:25.040] you know, his perspective has changed.
[00:57:28.480] Initially he was very upset and angry
[00:57:32.160] with the way he was treated
[00:57:34.160] >> and he considered it to be a terrifying
[00:57:37.040] horrific experience. But with age comes
[00:57:41.359] experience and knowledge and wisdom. And
[00:57:44.160] in his wisdom, what he said was he now
[00:57:47.520] believes that the
[00:57:52.160] burst of energy that hit him in the
[00:57:54.559] chest killed him and that they the
[00:57:58.720] reason why they took him aboard his
[00:58:00.799] craft was to fix the damage that they
[00:58:05.359] inadvertently did with him.
[00:58:07.280] >> Yes.
[00:58:07.839] >> Uh it he was not a test subject. They
[00:58:10.799] were just trying to heal him
[00:58:13.040] >> and they obviously did because they
[00:58:15.040] returned him 5 days later, you know,
[00:58:16.720] with a robe beard and everything. But
[00:58:18.240] this is what he said that really shook
[00:58:20.240] me up. I, you know, I want to give him
[00:58:21.520] an honorary degree in cognum psychology
[00:58:23.520] for this. And he said
[00:58:26.319] that that they have evolved
[00:58:30.480] to the point that they use telepathy as
[00:58:33.440] their primary communication rather than
[00:58:35.359] using their mouth. So this is indirect
[00:58:37.520] support for Mike Masters extra temporal
[00:58:41.280] um hypothesis, right? That they don't
[00:58:44.000] they don't need their mouths to say
[00:58:45.920] these words that you and I are using. So
[00:58:48.319] their jaws shrink and they don't and so
[00:58:50.400] their big brain gets bigger to handle
[00:58:52.559] that.
[00:58:53.680] >> And he said they no longer need facial
[00:58:56.559] expression.
[00:58:59.119] and and boom, a light went on in my
[00:59:01.680] cement filled Neanderthal forehead. And
[00:59:04.400] I was like, you're absolutely right.
[00:59:07.119] >> That's why we see them as emotionless
[00:59:10.000] droids,
[00:59:11.760] >> cold coldhearted evil entities because
[00:59:16.160] they don't smile at us.
[00:59:17.680] >> No,
[00:59:18.559] >> it's it's it's not a negative
[00:59:20.799] expression. It's no expression. It's
[00:59:22.880] just
[00:59:23.280] >> so what I know from this is what I know
[00:59:25.520] from cognitive psychology and
[00:59:27.359] evolutionary psychology.
[00:59:29.280] >> Yeah.
[00:59:29.680] >> Is all humans. This is a this is was a
[00:59:32.319] cool thing. I was reading a study when I
[00:59:33.760] was at grad school back in I think it
[00:59:35.680] was 2013 2012. Uh and I saw this study
[00:59:39.760] comparing canines to wolves. M
[00:59:43.040] >> and it was a it was a magical study
[00:59:45.839] because they ended up strapping them
[00:59:47.839] down in an fMRI machine and they were
[00:59:51.760] watching the eye movements, the sacads
[00:59:54.559] of these animals, these canines and
[00:59:56.480] wolves and they noted a very significant
[00:59:59.440] difference and that was that when the
[01:00:02.799] canines were shown pictures of uh
[01:00:06.960] emotional affect, you know, positive or
[01:00:09.200] negative, usually a a facial expression
[01:00:12.000] of a human being. The canines, the pets,
[01:00:16.000] the domesticated wolves
[01:00:18.880] adopted the same scan pattern as other
[01:00:22.000] humans. We like you and I, we can't help
[01:00:25.200] do this. If you track, if you do an eye
[01:00:27.599] tracker with any human in any social
[01:00:29.680] setting,
[01:00:30.799] >> you will adopt a triangle pattern. We go
[01:00:35.599] eyeball to eyeball, eyeball to eyeball,
[01:00:37.520] lips, eyeball to eyeball, lips, eyeball
[01:00:39.599] to eyeball, lips. And we're always
[01:00:42.160] >> looking triangle.
[01:00:45.040] >> Yes. Because we're trying to establish,
[01:00:49.040] is Alex pissed at me? Is Alex a friend
[01:00:52.240] to me? Uh maybe not Alex, but maybe the
[01:00:56.240] gal at the end of that bar,
[01:00:58.000] >> is she digging me? Or is am I going to
[01:01:00.400] be dismissed?
[01:01:01.760] >> So canines because they started hanging
[01:01:04.880] around us millennia ago deviated from
[01:01:08.559] wolves.
[01:01:10.079] evolutionarily
[01:01:11.839] to adopt this scam pattern because they
[01:01:16.079] depended on us to throw them food scraps
[01:01:20.319] rather than hunting as a pack with the
[01:01:22.799] wolves. And so that's in the ranch.
[01:01:25.359] >> That's amazing.
[01:01:27.040] >> Wolves don't do that. Wolves do not scan
[01:01:31.839] like that.
[01:01:32.880] >> Yeah. they they still rely on their
[01:01:36.799] physical
[01:01:38.400] uh athletic, if you want to call it
[01:01:40.000] that, prowess to hunt, kill, and
[01:01:42.480] survive,
[01:01:43.520] >> whereas domesticated canines
[01:01:46.559] >> don't. So, bringing this back to the
[01:01:48.319] grays,
[01:01:48.960] >> that's amazing. We we we expect any
[01:01:53.200] being any sentient being to give us some
[01:01:56.880] some sort of facial expression and we
[01:01:58.880] don't when we don't see that
[01:02:01.680] >> we kind of by default assume that
[01:02:05.280] they're a threat.
[01:02:06.480] >> Yeah.
[01:02:08.720] >> They're not inherently a threat. Now,
[01:02:11.760] I've got to caveat that by saying there
[01:02:15.040] is a 1% that we do have direct evidence
[01:02:18.880] of it. Uh, one example is uh gross
[01:02:21.920] report uh 13. Another is Butch Wowsk's
[01:02:25.440] coverage of the Todd Sees case. I don't
[01:02:27.359] know if you're familiar with the Todd Se
[01:02:28.799] case.
[01:02:29.200] >> No.
[01:02:29.920] >> Yeah. From 2001. You can go it. He gave
[01:02:32.559] a presentation to Muon
[01:02:35.040] uh about and it was a it was a human
[01:02:38.720] mutilation case.
[01:02:40.319] And I know that is terrifying and I'm
[01:02:42.240] claiming to be a fear fighter and here I
[01:02:44.640] am talking about how a human body was
[01:02:47.119] mutilated like like cattle.
[01:02:49.040] >> Yeah.
[01:02:49.359] >> Um but again this is part of the
[01:02:51.200] knowledge.
[01:02:52.240] >> This is part of you know don't put
[01:02:54.480] blinders on. There is
[01:02:57.119] >> a threat out there.
[01:02:59.119] >> It's not a default threat but it is out
[01:03:02.960] there and that's why we do need directed
[01:03:06.240] energy weapons aboard our spacecraft. We
[01:03:08.720] do need photon torpedoes on the the USS
[01:03:12.400] Enterprise.
[01:03:13.359] >> Yeah.
[01:03:13.839] >> But it's only for that 1%. It's not for
[01:03:16.079] the 99. The 99 Let's Let's be friends.
[01:03:19.920] And they're willing to be friends.
[01:03:21.599] >> Yeah.
[01:03:21.920] >> Or they're willing to at least come to
[01:03:23.920] some sort of agreement that
[01:03:25.359] >> Yeah.
[01:03:25.680] >> if we do these abductions, we'll we'll
[01:03:28.559] compassionately remove the traumatic
[01:03:30.720] memories, blah blah blah. So
[01:03:32.559] >> all that to all that to to to say that
[01:03:36.720] >> my opinion of to get back to the oly and
[01:03:40.000] other abductees.
[01:03:42.000] My opinion is that we are primarily
[01:03:47.280] research subjects that they are studying
[01:03:51.839] just like we we study polar bears, we
[01:03:54.079] study fish, we study mammals, we study
[01:03:57.280] dolphins. Um and and it's it's many many
[01:04:02.240] times it is not just less than less than
[01:04:06.240] malevolent it is benevolent. I had to
[01:04:09.359] hold my Labrador retriever down when the
[01:04:11.599] veterinarian was doing a similar
[01:04:14.079] procedure.
[01:04:15.280] >> They have to cause a little bit of pain
[01:04:17.760] to figure out is his ACL torn here or is
[01:04:21.440] it down on his on his you know near his
[01:04:23.839] paw. So
[01:04:24.880] >> yeah.
[01:04:25.440] >> So that's what we need to understand.
[01:04:27.680] And that's why the knowledge of what's
[01:04:29.520] going on can help us fight the fear that
[01:04:33.280] it's we shouldn't inherently
[01:04:36.640] be fearful.
[01:04:37.760] >> Yeah.
[01:04:38.079] >> Uh it's hard for us because just like
[01:04:41.039] the canines, we expect some some facial
[01:04:44.480] expression of benevolence or
[01:04:46.559] malevolence. So then we know you know
[01:04:48.160] what to do. So that was a long answer to
[01:04:50.160] a short question.
[01:04:51.039] >> No, that's that's absolutely great and
[01:04:53.440] what a brilliant explanation. you really
[01:04:56.240] are opening my opening my eyes because
[01:04:59.520] it's so easy to get funneled into a
[01:05:02.720] direction. And I'll be honest, even the
[01:05:05.440] Ori brothers themselves, um, Chris has a
[01:05:08.799] different view of this to Sha. Um, Chris
[01:05:14.480] believes they're not here for any good
[01:05:16.079] purpose. Not friendly.
[01:05:19.200] And Sha gets on fairly well. Sea seems
[01:05:23.280] very sort of nonplusted.
[01:05:26.160] Um
[01:05:28.160] Chris said um in one of the the
[01:05:30.480] interviews that we did, I'm having them
[01:05:32.400] on for a third time actually cuz it's
[01:05:34.559] been that good. Yeah.
[01:05:37.119] >> They need to tell their story. This is
[01:05:38.720] wonderful for them and it's very
[01:05:39.920] therapeutic too.
[01:05:40.960] >> Yeah.
[01:05:41.280] >> Cuz we know the worst thing you could do
[01:05:44.240] >> that's wonderful cuz the worst thing you
[01:05:46.079] could do is just
[01:05:47.359] >> you know blow us off, right? Kind of.
[01:05:50.240] And so I I really want to thank you for
[01:05:52.559] doing that. Giving them a voice. That's
[01:05:54.000] wonderful.
[01:05:54.319] >> Oh, you're very welcome. And the same
[01:05:56.319] for you as well, John. And you're
[01:05:58.240] teaching me so much, too. This is a
[01:06:00.799] reciprocal thing. I don't make money
[01:06:03.680] from my YouTube. I do this because I
[01:06:06.720] want to understand.
[01:06:08.720] That's why I do it. And to get people
[01:06:10.720] like you. I'm absolutely over the moon
[01:06:13.599] that you said you'd come on. You know,
[01:06:15.920] it's it's fantastic. And I hope lots of
[01:06:19.200] people enjoy this.
[01:06:20.960] >> Thank you. And and I I want to assure
[01:06:23.359] you and your viewers, I'm not making any
[01:06:25.520] money on any of this in any way, shape,
[01:06:27.520] or form. I haven't received a dime.
[01:06:30.480] >> Yeah.
[01:06:30.880] >> That um now people have have paid for my
[01:06:34.400] travel on occasion to go do a podcast.
[01:06:36.960] You don't make any money on that.
[01:06:38.640] >> No. And I've already pledged on both of
[01:06:41.680] my books to donate 55%
[01:06:46.000] of my proceeds. You know, we we in
[01:06:48.400] religion a lot of times we have this
[01:06:50.079] concept of tithing, right? That you're
[01:06:52.160] supposed to
[01:06:53.039] >> give 10%
[01:06:54.400] >> to the church or or wherever, you know.
[01:06:57.200] >> Um
[01:06:57.599] >> yeah,
[01:06:58.079] >> that's not enough for me. For me, 55%
[01:07:03.119] of my Rescue Robotics book goes back
[01:07:06.720] into benefiting
[01:07:09.359] um heroic, in my opinion, selfless
[01:07:13.119] servants, folks in the military, law
[01:07:15.119] enforcement like Sean,
[01:07:16.079] >> awesome
[01:07:17.039] >> um firefighters, right? Who are taking
[01:07:20.240] accepting risk on behalf of their fellow
[01:07:22.880] humans. So unfortunately a lot of a lot
[01:07:25.440] of them can't don't don't get the
[01:07:28.319] support they need.
[01:07:29.359] >> No.
[01:07:29.920] >> So I have funded
[01:07:32.240] >> uh hypnosis regression sessions with
[01:07:34.880] Yvon Smith. I've paid her to regress
[01:07:37.920] others to help them. And so that's what
[01:07:40.799] the proceeds
[01:07:42.240] >> from from any book sales that I uh
[01:07:45.839] received. So I'm I've made zero dollars
[01:07:49.599] that goes in my pocket.
[01:07:52.000] all that.
[01:07:53.920] >> So anyway, I just want to I just want to
[01:07:56.240] end on on applause for you
[01:07:59.039] >> uh for helping those guys.
[01:08:00.640] >> So I think we're I think we're coming up
[01:08:03.039] on the end of the hour. Uh are there any
[01:08:05.520] last uh Brennan questions you've got for
[01:08:07.200] me?
[01:08:07.520] >> There is actually I mean I could have
[01:08:09.200] done three podcasts with you to be
[01:08:10.880] honest, John. Um I haven't even got
[01:08:14.240] three questions into all the ones I'd
[01:08:16.319] prepared. Um, can could you explain to
[01:08:20.400] my audience what happened when you went
[01:08:22.799] on your bike ride up up the mountain?
[01:08:26.239] Have you got time, John? Um, well, so I
[01:08:30.560] have to apologize for being long-winded
[01:08:32.960] sometimes, but you know, the world is
[01:08:35.679] not black and white. There are so many
[01:08:37.600] shades of gray, and I know people get
[01:08:39.520] frustrated and impatient. My god, dude,
[01:08:42.960] just tell us what the heck happened.
[01:08:45.040] Well, it's not black and white. It is
[01:08:47.520] gray and and it's complicated and there
[01:08:50.000] are circles within circles within
[01:08:52.560] circles. So, I apologize for
[01:08:55.199] occasionally going off on tangents.
[01:08:57.040] >> Oh, no. Don't apologize. I love it.
[01:08:59.839] Well, [laughter]
[01:09:01.520] well, you may love it, but sometimes my
[01:09:04.799] wife tells me she limits me to five
[01:09:07.359] rings, like the Olympic rings, and she
[01:09:10.239] says, "Look, you're opening up a new
[01:09:12.799] one, so I'm not going to let you open up
[01:09:15.520] number six. You got to close one before
[01:09:17.920] you open the next one." It sometimes
[01:09:20.080] happens though. You have to go away to
[01:09:23.440] explain something about why you're
[01:09:25.520] explaining something. But no, honestly,
[01:09:28.560] not at all. John, please don't
[01:09:30.480] apologize. I've enjoyed every second of
[01:09:32.719] this, I tell you.
[01:09:34.400] >> Wonderful. Well, well, this is kind of
[01:09:36.480] the problem when when we're discussing
[01:09:39.199] AI as well, right, and machine learning
[01:09:41.759] >> because it is it gets to be very
[01:09:45.600] complicated and complex. There's a
[01:09:48.080] difference between complicated and
[01:09:49.679] complex. Complicated means, you know,
[01:09:52.640] yeah, there's there's a lot of moving
[01:09:54.159] parts, but it but if you throw enough
[01:09:56.960] computational
[01:09:58.880] uh brute force at it, you can come up
[01:10:00.800] with a solution, but complex is beyond
[01:10:04.400] that because it's unstructured,
[01:10:06.080] unpredictable, and there's really no
[01:10:08.239] solution to it. So um I you know my
[01:10:14.000] uh my bike ride event is more on the
[01:10:18.719] complex side. So it involves a lot of
[01:10:21.840] tangents uh with regards to the no.
[01:10:24.719] >> Could I entice you back?
[01:10:26.960] >> Say that again.
[01:10:27.840] >> Could I entice you back?
[01:10:30.640] >> Uh yeah, I think I think that's
[01:10:32.239] possible. uh just just realize that
[01:10:34.560] that's going to be I don't know 20
[01:10:37.280] minutes or so to describe that whole
[01:10:39.679] event. But yeah, you know, I've I've
[01:10:42.320] gone into it a fair amount of detail
[01:10:44.640] with Ross and with Jesse Michaels
[01:10:48.560] um and a few other folks in the UK who
[01:10:52.000] have done wonderful podcast that UFO
[01:10:54.960] podcast. Um
[01:10:56.159] >> yeah, Andy
[01:10:57.840] >> And is wonderful. Yes. And I love a
[01:11:00.239] Scottish accent because I'm a product of
[01:11:02.800] the Gordon clan and the Crawford clan.
[01:11:05.840] >> Awesome.
[01:11:06.719] >> But but we were not and I tried to
[01:11:08.719] mention this to Andy. We were not
[01:11:10.800] Highlanders. You know, the the superhero
[01:11:13.040] guys with the big swords. We got our
[01:11:14.800] butts kicked in the lowlands by the
[01:11:17.280] Highlanders. So, uh so yeah, I'd love to
[01:11:20.480] come back on sometime uh maybe in a
[01:11:22.800] couple of months after things settle
[01:11:24.080] down and would love to to discuss that
[01:11:25.840] in more detail with you. that that that
[01:11:28.000] needs doing justice and I agree with
[01:11:30.560] that.
[01:11:31.760] >> Okay.
[01:11:32.960] >> I really appreciate you giving up this
[01:11:35.280] time. Thank you so much.
[01:11:37.280] >> Well, thank you for the opportunity and
[01:11:38.800] keep doing what you're doing, Alex. And
[01:11:40.560] uh best to you and and uh all of your
[01:11:42.960] listeners and uh all of your clients and
[01:11:46.480] uh guests as well. You're you're doing a
[01:11:48.400] great thing.
[01:11:49.280] >> Thank you very much. I really appreciate
[01:11:51.199] that.
[01:11:51.600] >> Yes, sir. All righty. Have a good one,
[01:11:53.760] sir.

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