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ET Communication: Politicians, Lawyers, A.I. or Telepaths, Bigelow Podcast episode 3

ET Communication: Politicians, Lawyers, A.I. or Telepaths, Bigelow Podcast episode 3

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[00:00:11.680] >> Robert Bigelow, one of the things we
[00:00:13.800] spoke about in the the first episode of
[00:00:15.920] the Bigelow podcast was about
[00:00:17.480] gatekeepers. And you know, you've
[00:00:19.680] established some relationships with some
[00:00:22.200] of these gatekeepers. The the companies,
[00:00:24.520] the corporations that
[00:00:26.520] have kept secrets related to UFOs,
[00:00:30.000] crashes, bodies, things of that sort.
[00:00:32.279] They've done what our government has
[00:00:33.920] asked them to do, and they've they've
[00:00:35.520] done it for 80-plus years.
[00:00:37.800] Um
[00:00:39.200] you believe that they should get a pass,
[00:00:41.920] that we should give a preemptive pardon
[00:00:44.080] of some sort, whatever crimes they've
[00:00:46.360] committed or lies that have been told in
[00:00:49.000] in doing what the government asked them
[00:00:50.840] to do, that they should not have legal
[00:00:53.040] liability. Is that right?
[00:00:54.200] >> Well, I think it's it's not that I have
[00:00:56.200] relationships
[00:00:57.480] >> Right.
[00:00:57.800] >> with any of these [clears throat]
[00:00:58.400] people.
[00:00:59.560] Um
[00:01:00.480] I think it's more it's just it's more uh
[00:01:03.400] simple it's simpler to me. It's more
[00:01:05.360] black and white in that um
[00:01:07.840] the government has been a partner
[00:01:10.320] in all of this uh since day one. Um
[00:01:14.240] so I can't see how you can blame half of
[00:01:16.920] the equation for uh
[00:01:19.880] for
[00:01:20.880] not disclosing something that other
[00:01:22.520] people think ought to be disclosed. Uh
[00:01:24.760] it's it's a partnership, hand in hand,
[00:01:26.600] working hand in hand. And um
[00:01:29.600] and yet and and the other part of this
[00:01:31.520] is the salient
[00:01:34.240] value to me
[00:01:36.941] >> [clears throat]
[00:01:37.000] >> is
[00:01:38.960] how much benefit
[00:01:41.240] we can get from them uh that's not from
[00:01:44.640] as opposed to an adversarial kind of
[00:01:46.280] posture.
[00:01:47.440] We should we should have one of of uh
[00:01:51.440] of thank you, of appreciation, of um
[00:01:56.240] giving them uh acknowledgement that um
[00:01:59.360] um
[00:01:59.960] uh they've been doing uh
[00:02:01.880] a lot of work that that they uh
[00:02:05.800] they've had to carry burden-wise
[00:02:08.520] um and the secrecy and concerns about
[00:02:11.680] different kinds of things and um
[00:02:15.040] they they really need help. They need
[00:02:18.240] The companies need more money. They need
[00:02:20.240] more scientists involved, but they have
[00:02:22.520] to maintain their secrecy uh at all
[00:02:25.600] costs because we are in competition with
[00:02:28.200] China and Russia on the exact same
[00:02:30.400] thing. And they don't have the concerns
[00:02:32.680] about secrecy that we do in terms of
[00:02:35.320] they can implement any level of of
[00:02:37.160] secrecy that they want.
[00:02:39.320] They're not a free society.
[00:02:42.040] We are a completely free society. No, I
[00:02:45.000] We are a free society. Maybe not
[00:02:47.680] completely. Well, obviously. Um
[00:02:50.920] we have our boundaries as to freedom of
[00:02:52.760] speech, as what's proper, and we have to
[00:02:55.160] be responsible for what we do.
[00:02:57.360] And um
[00:02:58.800] so in in these other societies they're
[00:03:01.080] not, and they don't have those
[00:03:02.640] handcuffs. And that was one of the
[00:03:04.760] things that Harry Reid was concerned
[00:03:06.840] about.
[00:03:07.840] Is that we are at a serious
[00:03:09.160] disadvantage. So, if we were to say,
[00:03:11.560] "We're going about this all wrong." in
[00:03:13.680] terms of the level of the amount of
[00:03:16.600] information that's disclosed, there need
[00:03:18.720] needs to be obvious parameters on that.
[00:03:21.040] It needs to be a process, a step-by-step
[00:03:23.959] uh partial partial process delivery. It
[00:03:26.720] needs to be truthful.
[00:03:28.920] Um
[00:03:30.160] and we need to engage, find ways to
[00:03:32.840] engage one of the most important assets
[00:03:34.800] that this country has. It's the
[00:03:36.519] gatekeepers.
[00:03:38.160] And and do it in a way that um
[00:03:41.160] is is really a a uh
[00:03:44.320] a great new new new era of partnership
[00:03:48.080] that has never existed for 80 years.
[00:03:50.280] >> Do you know or can you guess the level
[00:03:52.960] of involvement of gatekeepers, some of
[00:03:55.000] these corporations, aerospace companies,
[00:03:57.160] or whatever, in the recovery and reverse
[00:03:59.920] engineering operations? For example, do
[00:04:02.520] they go out to crash sites and gather
[00:04:04.200] this stuff up on their own, or do you
[00:04:05.400] know?
[00:04:05.760] >> Even if I knew, George, I I wouldn't say
[00:04:07.720] anything, but I don't know.
[00:04:09.520] You know, I I I'd be just speculating
[00:04:11.680] like anybody.
[00:04:12.760] >> I I guess when we're talking about sort
[00:04:14.320] of a preemptive pardon, it would depend
[00:04:16.320] on what they've done, right? I mean, in
[00:04:17.840] UFO world, you know the stories about
[00:04:20.160] witnesses being intimidated that go back
[00:04:22.440] to Roswell. Death threats. I can tell
[00:04:25.320] you now, currently, people who have
[00:04:28.640] stepped forward to be whistleblowers and
[00:04:30.280] share information get death threats,
[00:04:32.400] their homes are broken into,
[00:04:35.240] they're you know, there's somebody will
[00:04:36.640] sneak in the middle of night, rearrange
[00:04:38.240] stuff, they're unemployable. Um, I don't
[00:04:42.040] know that anybody's ever been murdered
[00:04:43.919] over this, but I suppose, you know, that
[00:04:46.120] might be an exception to a blanket
[00:04:48.080] pardon, or would you think it has to be
[00:04:50.000] a case-by-case kind of a thing?
[00:04:52.840] >> I think this is the level of that is
[00:04:54.753] [clears throat] something the President
[00:04:55.520] of the United States ought to be
[00:04:56.720] addressing.
[00:04:57.840] Um,
[00:04:59.400] and
[00:05:00.600] I think that
[00:05:02.320] um, it's it's not up to me, it's not for
[00:05:04.840] me to to
[00:05:07.198] >> [clears throat]
[00:05:07.360] >> to suggest anything, or
[00:05:09.440] I think it's a presidential initiative
[00:05:11.560] that needs to happen. I would say he
[00:05:14.160] needs to
[00:05:16.080] give a preemptive pardon, but it has to
[00:05:18.520] be on a case-by-case basis. It has to be
[00:05:21.080] on what exactly is it, because national
[00:05:24.040] secrets are not to be taken lightly.
[00:05:26.520] Yeah, that's not something that you can
[00:05:28.560] take lightly.
[00:05:30.080] Um,
[00:05:30.720] our adversaries benefit, they're the
[00:05:33.320] ones that really benefit. For the
[00:05:34.960] American public, it's just pure simple
[00:05:37.040] paltry
[00:05:38.760] entertainment. Is what it is. But for
[00:05:42.160] from a from a national security
[00:05:44.000] standpoint, it's very very serious.
[00:05:46.240] >> There is a race with this technology,
[00:05:47.720] right? Us, the Russians, the Chinese,
[00:05:50.000] are there other countries you think that
[00:05:51.360] are that have recovered materials or
[00:05:53.680] trying to figure it out?
[00:05:54.920] >> Well, if they're making breakthroughs
[00:05:56.120] and we're not,
[00:05:57.480] that's a that's a very serious problem.
[00:06:00.760] If we've made more progress than they
[00:06:02.520] have, we can live with that.
[00:06:04.840] Because we we we have, I think, a higher
[00:06:07.280] standard of ethics
[00:06:08.840] than um than as a whole than China and
[00:06:12.080] Russia do. That's just my opinion. I
[00:06:13.680] think I think we do. I think as a
[00:06:15.080] country uh we have our standards, which
[00:06:18.080] we have to covet and and really protect,
[00:06:20.960] our our our ethics and our standards in
[00:06:23.360] our nation.
[00:06:24.440] >> Let's say the US government, something
[00:06:26.919] crashes in New Mexico, the US government
[00:06:29.280] scoops it up, they want to take it
[00:06:31.080] somewhere where somebody with some
[00:06:32.720] expertise can try to reverse engineer it
[00:06:34.640] or figure it out. They gave it to
[00:06:36.320] company X. And company X has had it all
[00:06:39.440] these years, they've tried to make
[00:06:40.760] progress, maybe they have made progress.
[00:06:43.440] Would whatever they develop out of that
[00:06:45.800] technology belong to them, or does it
[00:06:47.760] belong to the American public, or does
[00:06:49.480] it
[00:06:50.280] somehow split among both?
[00:06:52.840] As a business guy, what would you think?
[00:06:56.360] >> I think um
[00:06:57.919] there are other examples of federal
[00:06:59.960] private partnerships that are perfectly
[00:07:02.160] legal. Um
[00:07:04.280] and [clears throat]
[00:07:05.000] uh
[00:07:05.600] there are and so I think it falls into
[00:07:07.760] that domain of a federal private
[00:07:09.840] partnership.
[00:07:11.400] And that means there's joint ownership.
[00:07:13.840] >> The idea of of a blanket pardon or some
[00:07:16.360] sort of a pardon for the a preemptive
[00:07:18.640] pardon for the gatekeepers, the
[00:07:20.400] corporations that have been involved in
[00:07:21.919] this,
[00:07:22.720] um
[00:07:23.560] raise a lot of questions among our
[00:07:25.400] viewers. The first episode that came
[00:07:26.960] out, people wondered, what does Robert
[00:07:28.720] Bigelow think about whistleblowers?
[00:07:30.120] Because some brave people have stepped
[00:07:32.120] forward with bits and pieces of the
[00:07:34.040] story, things that they saw while
[00:07:36.440] they're working um uh in classified
[00:07:39.040] programs, and they want to tell the
[00:07:40.720] world. President came out and said, you
[00:07:43.480] are hereby released from your
[00:07:45.000] non-disclosure agreement."
[00:07:46.365] [clears throat] But that isn't the same
[00:07:47.560] as saying, "You can speak publicly about
[00:07:50.440] what you saw." Because they could still
[00:07:52.440] be prosecuted as a violation of their
[00:07:55.840] of their classification. What do you
[00:07:57.840] think about them? What should be done
[00:07:58.920] with them?
[00:07:59.440] >> Well, George, I think
[00:08:01.120] Well, what comes to my mind right away
[00:08:03.360] is precedent in terms of where do you
[00:08:06.280] stop? So, it it's it's it's a
[00:08:08.880] categorical issue.
[00:08:11.520] It's one thing to be [clears throat]
[00:08:13.760] talking about
[00:08:15.480] the UFO subject and
[00:08:18.440] what you've seen that you're willing to
[00:08:22.000] talk about, but you've signed some
[00:08:25.560] security oath about doing that and you
[00:08:28.040] want to violate that oath.
[00:08:29.919] Or you feel that that oath is no longer
[00:08:32.760] binding because it had a a termination
[00:08:35.240] period on it. But maybe there is no
[00:08:37.640] termination period.
[00:08:39.640] Now,
[00:08:40.880] shift to
[00:08:42.719] something that's entirely different that
[00:08:44.960] involves national security.
[00:08:47.240] And you have
[00:08:49.440] a person that's calling themselves a
[00:08:51.000] whistleblower on something that is
[00:08:53.240] classified secret
[00:08:56.200] about a new
[00:08:58.416] >> [clears throat]
[00:08:58.960] >> capability that a destroyer or
[00:09:02.640] battleship has.
[00:09:04.760] Or submarine more than likely has that
[00:09:07.320] is that's very very new and and yet that
[00:09:10.320] person is going to disclose that.
[00:09:13.360] Um
[00:09:15.160] two very different situations,
[00:09:17.760] but they person might call themselves a
[00:09:19.440] whistleblower.
[00:09:22.240] And so, the person that's the in the
[00:09:24.960] second instance has prosecuted
[00:09:28.280] himself or herself
[00:09:30.800] under the cloak of a being a
[00:09:32.160] whistleblower.
[00:09:33.520] When in fact, they're disclosing a
[00:09:35.280] national secret about a military
[00:09:37.360] application
[00:09:38.720] and they turn into being a traitor.
[00:09:43.000] Um or we're at war
[00:09:45.560] and someone is disclosing something that
[00:09:48.120] is is is uh
[00:09:51.880] puts them in the ca- in category of a
[00:09:53.360] traitor, then it is even far more
[00:09:56.160] serious because then they have they may
[00:09:58.480] have caused people to die.
[00:10:00.840] Or they have disclosed names
[00:10:02.960] of membership and sort you know, imagine
[00:10:05.600] all the names and private information of
[00:10:08.920] secret classified people that work in
[00:10:12.960] intel organizations.
[00:10:15.240] That would be disastrous. That person is
[00:10:17.320] an absolute traitor. There's no question
[00:10:19.400] about it. They're not a whistleblower.
[00:10:21.680] So it's a case-by-case, genre-by-genre
[00:10:24.000] kind of category thing and I think in
[00:10:26.160] the UFO instance, which is what we're
[00:10:28.000] really talking about, is something that
[00:10:30.120] the President of the United States needs
[00:10:32.000] to address
[00:10:33.440] and and decide
[00:10:36.080] what should be done.
[00:10:38.400] >> You know, there are very clear national
[00:10:39.760] security implications. There's no
[00:10:41.360] getting around it. The technology
[00:10:43.360] itself, if we could duplicate it, I mean
[00:10:45.200] it'd be world-changing. If we could
[00:10:48.040] duplicate what they do, what we
[00:10:49.640] documented that they do in the sky,
[00:10:51.400] whoever they are, wherever they're from.
[00:10:53.040] The Russians came to that conclusion a
[00:10:54.600] long time ago. We've talked about the
[00:10:56.440] Russian UFO programs. They've seen uh
[00:10:59.200] UFOs
[00:11:01.160] set off their their missiles or at least
[00:11:03.160] enter the launch control codes and and
[00:11:05.200] fire them up, ready to go. We've seen
[00:11:07.200] our missiles be shut down and they're
[00:11:09.240] very clear national security
[00:11:10.600] implications. So the race for the
[00:11:12.520] technology it is a very serious thing
[00:11:14.800] and
[00:11:15.880] it makes sense that there is UFO
[00:11:17.680] espionage and UFO counterintelligence by
[00:11:20.720] governments. You've been on the
[00:11:22.080] receiving end of that. There were some
[00:11:23.720] spies, right?
[00:11:24.800] >> Yeah.
[00:11:25.600] >> In the early days
[00:11:26.800] >> We had three Israeli spies in our
[00:11:28.760] aerospace company. We had seven our
[00:11:31.160] seven our telephones were bugged
[00:11:32.800] including mine.
[00:11:34.160] In in locked offices.
[00:11:36.400] You know, and FBI was involved. And it
[00:11:39.040] was kind of funny because the FBI FBI
[00:11:41.720] was trying to put locators under cars,
[00:11:44.600] you know, and my security guys kept
[00:11:46.920] catching them and catching them. And the
[00:11:49.160] FBI was complaining to me that we can't
[00:11:51.120] we can't locate these we can't do what
[00:11:54.040] we're trying to do here because your men
[00:11:55.480] keep catching
[00:11:56.600] what we're trying to do. You know, your
[00:11:58.040] guys are pretty thorough. I said, well,
[00:12:00.680] why don't you just let me handle it and
[00:12:03.120] I'll talk to my guys and we'll plant
[00:12:04.880] them for you. No, we we don't want to do
[00:12:07.040] that.
[00:12:08.000] So, we uh and we were told not to
[00:12:11.200] terminate these people. So, I had to
[00:12:14.240] sequester these three these three guys
[00:12:17.160] in ways in which they were not working
[00:12:19.840] on something that was sensitive. You
[00:12:22.440] know.
[00:12:23.080] >> You think they were looking at Bigelow
[00:12:24.280] Aerospace and your inflatable habitats
[00:12:26.320] or UFO related research or doing
[00:12:28.920] anything?
[00:12:29.080] >> were. Of course they were. But after
[00:12:30.960] after about a month and a half I'd had
[00:12:32.600] enough of it. I said, I can't I can't
[00:12:34.360] continue to do this. So, I said, I have
[00:12:36.880] to terminate these people. And one of
[00:12:38.760] them had already been
[00:12:40.400] uh had been successful at another
[00:12:41.760] company
[00:12:42.800] before he came to us and causing some
[00:12:45.320] problems. And that's how the FBI knew
[00:12:46.920] about this guy. And then he had these
[00:12:49.000] other two people along with him that
[00:12:51.120] they didn't know about.
[00:12:52.280] >> You ever get a hint that there were
[00:12:53.400] Russians or Chinese or any other foreign
[00:12:55.480] agents around the ranch? Because I know
[00:12:57.400] like back to Roswell, it was a nest of
[00:13:00.120] of Russian spies at that time and it
[00:13:02.080] made sense because we had our atomic
[00:13:04.080] bomber wing and Los Alamos and the
[00:13:06.200] >> Well, nations spy on each other. I think
[00:13:08.240] the most prolific successful one is
[00:13:09.960] China.
[00:13:11.000] They're really good at it. You know, our
[00:13:13.040] our patent office is a sieve. Nobody in
[00:13:15.520] their right mind patents anything unless
[00:13:17.839] it's fairly simple and it's not really
[00:13:21.280] really really really trick. Otherwise,
[00:13:23.680] you what it's going to be a trade secret
[00:13:25.680] and you don't patent it. Cuz they know
[00:13:27.240] within within minutes anything that's in
[00:13:30.480] it goes through the patent office what's
[00:13:32.040] there, what's been filed. And so they're
[00:13:34.240] not obligated to foreign nations are not
[00:13:36.480] obligated to uh
[00:13:38.200] to behave in the same way about
[00:13:40.760] acknowledging our patents, American
[00:13:42.320] patents. You're going to have to have
[00:13:43.720] patents in every single country. And uh
[00:13:46.800] and the laws, you know, in in protecting
[00:13:50.280] that
[00:13:51.400] that preserving that asset are much
[00:13:53.760] different country by country by country.
[00:13:56.160] A lot of folks
[00:13:58.120] explained to me that the
[00:13:59.960] China way of thinking, Chinese way of
[00:14:02.200] thinking is that uh
[00:14:03.920] anything that you create they can copy
[00:14:05.760] is fair game.
[00:14:07.080] That you're you're silly and stupid if
[00:14:09.440] you know that something is a much better
[00:14:12.600] function, it has a much greater
[00:14:14.120] functionality to it, and you don't copy
[00:14:16.840] it.
[00:14:17.640] And you're a foreign country or
[00:14:18.800] whatever, and it'd be silly for you not
[00:14:20.800] to copy the the thing. So they look at
[00:14:23.080] it as that some of our patent
[00:14:24.680] restrictions are silly in that kind of
[00:14:27.160] sense. We we we say it's private
[00:14:29.360] property.
[00:14:30.480] We believe in private enterprise. We
[00:14:32.839] believe in ownership of what you create
[00:14:36.600] and trying to kick the government out of
[00:14:38.920] your hair, out of your out of your
[00:14:40.280] wallet the best you possibly can. And
[00:14:43.400] and hanging on to your money.
[00:14:45.160] Other countries' philosophies are much
[00:14:46.920] different.
[00:14:49.240] >> You you deserve a lot of credit for
[00:14:51.480] taking the initiative to go to President
[00:14:53.560] Trump and telling him about UFOs. I
[00:14:56.720] mean, there's risk there that he'd say,
[00:14:58.360] "You're crazy. Get out of here." But you
[00:15:00.160] you took it. You you prepared a report
[00:15:02.280] for him. You presented it in a very
[00:15:04.120] sober and serious manner. And whether
[00:15:06.520] you take credit for it or not, within a
[00:15:08.600] matter of weeks after your meeting with
[00:15:10.400] him back in February, he started taking
[00:15:12.560] action on UFOs and releasing documents
[00:15:14.920] and videos. And he's he's reduced the
[00:15:18.200] the the stigma and the possibility that
[00:15:21.040] people could be prosecuted for sharing
[00:15:22.920] information. I mean, it's a really big
[00:15:24.640] deal. I guess the question is, you know,
[00:15:26.640] you know, by the way, the day that that
[00:15:28.840] episode was released to the public
[00:15:31.480] and aired on KLAS and on Mystery Wire,
[00:15:34.320] Trump came to town. He was here that
[00:15:36.560] night. We ran it at 11:00 on our
[00:15:38.880] newscast [clears throat] thinking
[00:15:40.360] maybe he'll watch some local news while
[00:15:42.080] he's in town. And I was hoping he would
[00:15:44.040] call you the next day. He didn't call.
[00:15:45.440] >> Yeah, he didn't call. Phone didn't ring.
[00:15:48.160] So,
[00:15:49.280] >> Well, I hope you sent the a link to your
[00:15:51.920] the interview to the people you know as
[00:15:54.440] administration so they'll take a look at
[00:15:56.000] it and maybe he'll call down the road.
[00:15:57.840] >> I don't bother them unless it's
[00:15:59.560] important.
[00:16:01.120] >> Pretty important.
[00:16:02.480] >> Yeah, but not quite.
[00:16:03.880] >> you keep How do you keep him on the
[00:16:06.160] straight and narrow and keep him
[00:16:07.920] informed on this topic when so many in
[00:16:10.280] his own government will try to thwart
[00:16:12.000] that? You've seen it. Well, we talked
[00:16:13.840] about it before. Well, AATIP, once the
[00:16:16.120] word was out that AATIP existed, the
[00:16:18.040] knives came out and people tried to cut
[00:16:19.920] the knee knee caps off. And, you know,
[00:16:22.240] and we've seen
[00:16:24.000] the great work that Jay Stratton did at
[00:16:25.920] the UAP Task Force. They took all these
[00:16:28.520] cases, boiled them down to 144 really
[00:16:31.960] well-documented cases, and they said 143
[00:16:35.040] of these are not explainable. They're
[00:16:36.760] real. They're real objects. And then UAP
[00:16:39.520] Task Force goes away, Arrow comes in,
[00:16:42.160] and Arrow explains all away. Their job
[00:16:44.800] is counterintelligence and make this to
[00:16:46.320] go away, right? Yeah. Seems like it.
[00:16:49.520] >> And they're good at it. You you have to
[00:16:51.240] clap and applaud. They're good at it,
[00:16:53.200] and they've been good at it for 80
[00:16:54.400] years. You know, regardless of who's in
[00:16:56.240] charge, who's died, who's come and gone
[00:16:58.480] and and retired and and so on. Um,
[00:17:01.440] it's really been consistent. And the
[00:17:03.120] same thing with the tipping point of the
[00:17:05.680] reveal
[00:17:07.079] uh about uh
[00:17:08.720] UAPs uh
[00:17:10.160] >> From ODNI?
[00:17:11.040] >> Well, doing exhibitions beyond the
[00:17:12.920] tipping point and not quite getting
[00:17:14.680] there.
[00:17:15.600] Because they have it's been audacious as
[00:17:17.839] to have what they've been able to get
[00:17:19.000] away with
[00:17:20.560] without a confirmation or disclosure all
[00:17:23.439] these eight decades. It's amazing
[00:17:26.280] they've been able to do that.
[00:17:27.920] It it's
[00:17:29.440] nobody know what It's like a cattle
[00:17:31.520] mutilation, there's never been a
[00:17:32.640] prosecution or or anybody caught, right?
[00:17:35.200] It's the most successful
[00:17:36.920] um
[00:17:37.640] um
[00:17:39.240] crime that exists,
[00:17:41.800] right? Nobody's been caught.
[00:17:43.960] So, [clears throat]
[00:17:45.040] after all these years, you have missile
[00:17:47.000] silo shutdown, other ones become active,
[00:17:49.520] you know, hot, the missiles are hot.
[00:17:50.960] It's like they're scratching their heads
[00:17:53.240] and they're saying,
[00:17:54.440] "What the hell [clears throat] do we
[00:17:55.280] have to do next in order to be
[00:17:57.680] recognized? We we have everything going
[00:18:00.200] on, the crop circles and cattle
[00:18:01.520] mutilations, and Doug and Dave didn't do
[00:18:03.520] all the crop circles, obviously, you
[00:18:05.600] know, and we know that firsthand as
[00:18:07.640] researchers, but
[00:18:09.277] >> [clears throat]
[00:18:09.480] >> um
[00:18:10.080] it's it's like, "Wow, these these uh
[00:18:13.040] human
[00:18:14.160] these human beings are really
[00:18:16.760] tough to They we we're having a hard
[00:18:19.480] time getting noticed."
[00:18:21.600] >> Did you Did you tell [clears throat]
[00:18:23.600] uh the president that you think they're
[00:18:25.240] ETs?
[00:18:26.520] Or is that the assumption going in
[00:18:27.880] they're they're aliens alien to us? You
[00:18:30.200] think they're ETs?
[00:18:31.440] >> Yeah, sure.
[00:18:32.760] >> At least some of what we're interacting
[00:18:34.200] with are ETs?
[00:18:35.040] >> Yeah, sure.
[00:18:35.800] >> have trouble with that because I'm
[00:18:36.960] asking this cuz I've seen
[00:18:38.752] >> [clears throat]
[00:18:38.880] >> other people who've said they've had
[00:18:40.520] these conversations and
[00:18:42.480] uh President Trump has said basically
[00:18:44.600] the Fermi paradox, okay, where are they?
[00:18:47.480] Did he uh say that? So, where are they?
[00:18:48.960] Oh, you can't say what he told you, but
[00:18:53.080] that question has to come up.
[00:18:55.560] >> Well, that [clears throat] that is the
[00:18:57.080] not an illogical
[00:18:58.920] back That's not an illogical uh retort
[00:19:02.480] because
[00:19:03.920] a person's done no research.
[00:19:06.200] The world is a complete different world
[00:19:08.640] and they haven't gotten into the subject
[00:19:10.080] at all for whatever reasons. They've
[00:19:12.240] been totally preoccupied by other kinds
[00:19:15.040] of subjects.
[00:19:17.040] Uh [clears throat]
[00:19:18.080] so, um
[00:19:19.920] they haven't given any thought to it.
[00:19:22.000] They don't know anything.
[00:19:23.920] They've never They've It's like trying
[00:19:26.560] to,
[00:19:27.680] you know,
[00:19:28.520] tell somebody about brain surgery and
[00:19:31.160] they know nothing about what to do,
[00:19:33.880] anything.
[00:19:35.000] So,
[00:19:36.240] um [clears throat]
[00:19:37.440] I don't [snorts] I don't fault anybody
[00:19:39.160] for saying, "Where are they?"
[00:19:41.800] It's just that maybe they don't have a
[00:19:43.840] lot of imagination, or you know, much,
[00:19:46.440] or maybe it doesn't take that much, but
[00:19:49.920] in today's world, with the media, with
[00:19:52.000] with what's on on the television, all
[00:19:54.320] the different programming,
[00:19:56.880] boy, you have to really be in your own
[00:19:58.440] world and not to
[00:20:00.600] have some exposure to being at least
[00:20:02.840] really curious.
[00:20:05.120] >> What's the evidence that they're ET? I'm
[00:20:07.440] asking in this context. Our mutual
[00:20:09.360] friend, a guy we both respect greatly,
[00:20:12.400] Dr. Jacques Vallee, I remember in the
[00:20:14.360] first interview I ever had with him, in
[00:20:16.440] 1990, he said, "Look, these things, the
[00:20:19.640] technology that they've demonstrated,
[00:20:21.480] they can manipulate space-time in ways
[00:20:23.600] that we can't imagine. But, if they can
[00:20:25.080] do what we think they can do, they could
[00:20:27.120] be ET, they could be interdimensionals,
[00:20:29.480] they could be time travelers, they could
[00:20:31.080] be something else more exotic, they
[00:20:32.960] could be all of the above."
[00:20:35.040] What What makes you think that they're
[00:20:36.320] most likely ET?
[00:20:37.720] >> Well, you have to define what is
[00:20:39.040] extraterrestrial.
[00:20:41.239] >> [clears throat]
[00:20:41.480] >> You know, um
[00:20:43.120] and and I think that's the
[00:20:44.920] extraterrestrial answer is that that
[00:20:47.000] it's a big basket. It has a lot of
[00:20:48.960] potential.
[00:20:50.600] It
[00:20:51.064] >> [clears throat]
[00:20:51.720] >> if you can manage and manipulate
[00:20:53.640] space-time, uh you can be time traveler.
[00:20:57.680] So, um
[00:20:59.360] uh
[00:21:00.080] but and that is how you can get
[00:21:03.280] you can cross vast distances,
[00:21:05.600] you know, that normal
[00:21:07.200] that isn't normal in our physics. Um
[00:21:10.920] so uh
[00:21:14.840] I I think that that doesn't mean
[00:21:16.609] [clears throat] that they aren't there
[00:21:17.520] aren't other that a lot of people try to
[00:21:20.440] say well, these are
[00:21:24.200] angels [clears throat] or demons or
[00:21:25.960] there other kinds of
[00:21:28.280] characterizations of what ET is.
[00:21:31.160] Um
[00:21:33.680] I think there's a sharing of the of the
[00:21:35.760] dimension of space time.
[00:21:38.800] So
[00:21:40.800] it is there's a coexistence
[00:21:43.840] between
[00:21:45.200] other intelligent
[00:21:47.560] other intelligences
[00:21:50.160] um
[00:21:52.760] that aren't really [clears throat]
[00:21:53.360] thought of as as the normal parochial ET
[00:21:57.400] which we we've
[00:21:59.480] we've have
[00:22:01.000] evidence existent from from abductees
[00:22:03.680] for example. What they have seen on
[00:22:05.560] board.
[00:22:06.880] And they've seen a you know, a number of
[00:22:08.840] different varieties
[00:22:10.440] of intelligent beings on board.
[00:22:14.840] >> There has been communication, right?
[00:22:16.720] Them to us wherever they're from. And
[00:22:19.240] and often these beings at least
[00:22:20.920] according to abductees or experiencers,
[00:22:23.080] they say these beings conveyed to them
[00:22:26.200] telepathically, I guess.
[00:22:28.080] That they were from
[00:22:29.520] Zeta Reticuli or Sirius or something
[00:22:31.920] like that.
[00:22:33.040] Um
[00:22:34.960] I guess the question is how do you trust
[00:22:36.640] them to tell you the truth? How do how
[00:22:38.600] do you How would we know that that's
[00:22:40.680] they're being accurate and that's who
[00:22:42.120] they are? And and you you and I have had
[00:22:44.480] this conversation about the ranch for
[00:22:46.360] example.
[00:22:47.560] Attempts at communication at the ranch
[00:22:49.240] which we'll dig into a great detail.
[00:22:51.720] How do you know who you're talking to at
[00:22:53.760] the ranch? And and with mediums, how do
[00:22:56.080] you know who you're talking to?
[00:22:58.080] >> So Eric Davis and Colm Kelleher were on
[00:23:00.600] the ranch and every kind of buddy
[00:23:02.000] everybody kind of knows about this
[00:23:03.320] particular event and calm is there it's
[00:23:05.880] night time is it's maybe kind of a
[00:23:08.800] there's ambient light
[00:23:10.480] because Eric is drawn to something is
[00:23:12.760] commingled in the tops of the of the
[00:23:15.040] very tall cottonwood trees they were
[00:23:17.160] maybe 50 feet uh 60 feet high.
[00:23:20.920] Calm is watching these balls of light
[00:23:23.520] bounce [clears throat] around
[00:23:25.080] near the
[00:23:26.560] the the um little um
[00:23:30.040] creek bed
[00:23:31.160] where the Russian olives are
[00:23:33.080] uh on the
[00:23:34.680] on on the [clears throat] grass grassy
[00:23:37.120] area of the ranch there and um
[00:23:41.480] um
[00:23:43.200] so he's distracted and Eric gets this
[00:23:47.240] telepathic communication
[00:23:49.760] um
[00:23:51.360] we see you
[00:23:52.800] we are aware of you something to that
[00:23:54.480] event.
[00:23:56.760] The interesting thing to me isn't so
[00:23:58.760] much that
[00:24:01.680] um that's that's not so
[00:24:03.880] that that isn't what's interesting that
[00:24:06.200] it occurred telepathically or that they
[00:24:08.520] said that.
[00:24:11.720] And they are aware that that's going to
[00:24:13.440] be reported
[00:24:15.080] what they said.
[00:24:17.080] Um because they knew how why we were
[00:24:19.080] there.
[00:24:21.120] What's interesting is they didn't say we
[00:24:23.320] want you to leave immediately
[00:24:26.440] or just
[00:24:27.680] flat
[00:24:29.240] leave now leave leave
[00:24:31.760] leave this area now.
[00:24:33.880] That wasn't what was said.
[00:24:37.480] >> Just they're watching.
[00:24:39.160] >> And they only get that
[00:24:41.000] don't come any closer and as a cousin to
[00:24:44.000] leave now
[00:24:45.200] in the turquoise balls of energy.
[00:24:50.200] But it's also put a fear in you that
[00:24:52.200] you're going to die
[00:24:53.800] and that that fear is is a such a
[00:24:55.760] conscious impact that do you have no one
[00:24:58.000] doubt people tell me that you have no
[00:25:00.280] doubt that you will die.
[00:25:02.600] >> So, those orbs, those those swirling
[00:25:05.240] liquid looking black glass orbs,
[00:25:07.520] turquoise blue.
[00:25:08.520] >> Yeah, the turquoise ones.
[00:25:09.800] >> Somehow
[00:25:11.880] attached itself to the fear fight or
[00:25:14.560] flight kind of a thing and would drive
[00:25:16.080] people right to their knees, right? It
[00:25:18.040] They manipulate.
[00:25:18.880] >> Yeah, you might have a a
[00:25:21.720] microwave type of application that could
[00:25:24.000] do that to
[00:25:26.040] lay down or have an army lay all down on
[00:25:28.640] their on the ground, but you're just
[00:25:30.560] What you're doing is messing with their
[00:25:33.240] all of their motor mechanisms and and
[00:25:36.240] disorientation and and causing a
[00:25:40.320] colossal disorientation of where they
[00:25:42.960] are and that kind of or pain maybe at
[00:25:46.280] the same time.
[00:25:47.760] This was different. This was something
[00:25:49.640] that
[00:25:52.640] knew exactly
[00:25:54.200] how to affect your brain.
[00:25:57.480] Um
[00:25:58.880] Yeah, or it might have been
[00:26:01.160] And there's a difference between mind
[00:26:02.680] and brain. And that And the subject of
[00:26:04.520] consciousness, they're not the same.
[00:26:06.920] You can be brain dead and still have
[00:26:10.120] still have a mind, still have a
[00:26:11.680] consciousness.
[00:26:13.080] And near death experiences experience
[00:26:15.640] that.
[00:26:17.840] So long as your brain has oxygen and you
[00:26:19.800] know, so long as blood is there, but um
[00:26:23.040] So, something is able to do that. It
[00:26:26.400] makes you absolutely believe it.
[00:26:29.200] Absolutely [clears throat] believe it.
[00:26:30.880] And and so, um
[00:26:34.200] I but
[00:26:35.760] um
[00:26:36.600] They you know, it didn't say leave leave
[00:26:39.520] this area.
[00:26:41.440] You know, leave leave now, leave this
[00:26:43.040] area. It just says, "We're watching
[00:26:45.080] you."
[00:26:45.760] >> There was an incident during the Ousmane
[00:26:47.760] period where a
[00:26:49.480] a couple of intelligence officers are
[00:26:51.200] walking into the middle homestead,
[00:26:53.480] suddenly the temperature drops like
[00:26:55.080] 20-25 degrees. It gets cold.
[00:26:57.320] >> Yeah.
[00:26:57.640] >> They see this real dark, like a black
[00:26:59.760] hole in front of them, and they got a
[00:27:01.720] message. They They were froze They
[00:27:03.400] froze, and their message was, "Don't
[00:27:05.880] come any closer." Something like that.
[00:27:07.920] Do you recall that?
[00:27:10.240] >> I don't.
[00:27:10.760] >> Okay.
[00:27:12.000] Um but there were other communications
[00:27:14.360] or attempts to communicate at the ranch.
[00:27:16.240] It was one of your primary goals. You
[00:27:18.240] You conducted a number of different
[00:27:19.600] kinds of experiments to try to engage
[00:27:21.840] with them, correct?
[00:27:22.960] >> I did.
[00:27:24.200] I did [clears throat] some some very
[00:27:26.040] private ones um
[00:27:27.760] in that
[00:27:28.960] it wasn't part of our menu
[00:27:31.240] of experiments that we that we that we
[00:27:33.760] uh we had
[00:27:36.080] created different kinds of things to be
[00:27:37.480] acted upon.
[00:27:39.320] And
[00:27:40.640] so [clears throat] but I wanted to do
[00:27:42.680] something a little bit more
[00:27:44.040] sophisticated and um
[00:27:47.920] and [clears throat]
[00:27:49.680] I wanted to um
[00:27:52.320] be able to change something in real time
[00:27:55.200] and be aware of it
[00:27:56.920] and not be there.
[00:27:59.320] And so I would be 500 miles away
[00:28:02.120] and I'd be able to
[00:28:04.400] act upon something with people
[00:28:07.440] uh photographing without being told they
[00:28:10.520] were They were told where to point their
[00:28:12.520] cameras and when
[00:28:15.440] in real time
[00:28:17.080] by me
[00:28:18.200] and then um
[00:28:20.720] I would I would be able to to see by
[00:28:23.280] asking them, "What's on the What do you
[00:28:25.000] see on the camera that that you just you
[00:28:27.360] took photos? And what do you see that
[00:28:30.440] you just took a photo of?" And they
[00:28:32.080] would describe it to me.
[00:28:33.880] And you either had been successful or
[00:28:36.400] hadn't been successful.
[00:28:37.880] >> You have something in mind, like a shape
[00:28:40.200] or something like that, and you're
[00:28:41.600] thinking it. They're on the other end
[00:28:43.480] taking pictures. They don't know what
[00:28:45.160] the shape is that you have in mind.
[00:28:46.880] >> Right.
[00:28:47.520] Right.
[00:28:47.800] >> Did it work?
[00:28:48.480] >> It did.
[00:28:49.760] Yeah, [clears throat] in in one series
[00:28:51.120] of of experiments I I was successful
[00:28:55.160] three out of three times and the fourth
[00:28:57.080] time I was only partially successful
[00:28:58.840] because I got
[00:29:00.680] I got cavalier.
[00:29:02.720] I got careless.
[00:29:04.520] I lost my sincerity because it was too
[00:29:07.400] easy.
[00:29:08.440] And I lost my sincerity and I lost my
[00:29:11.320] my
[00:29:12.960] my focus [clears throat]
[00:29:14.240] for a second or two.
[00:29:16.160] And it was only partially successful and
[00:29:18.360] it was all my fault.
[00:29:21.080] >> Do you want to
[00:29:22.400] give some details on that?
[00:29:23.760] >> Not not not yet. No.
[00:29:26.240] >> But I mean throughout the time that NIDS
[00:29:28.560] and into ASAP you were trying to
[00:29:30.400] communicate with whatever it was that
[00:29:32.120] was there. There were there were smaller
[00:29:33.960] experiments you did that was that was
[00:29:35.760] fascinating that the the ball and jacks
[00:29:38.200] thing. Can you tell that story?
[00:29:39.280] >> Yeah, yeah, that was that was really
[00:29:40.360] great. Uh
[00:29:42.000] and and [clears throat] all these things
[00:29:43.080] are educational at multiple levels. When
[00:29:45.480] you have a demonstration, it's so neat
[00:29:47.680] that not just not just maybe one thing
[00:29:50.000] has happened. It's like holy cow, four
[00:29:51.800] or five things all happened at once. And
[00:29:54.240] there's there's a menu here of different
[00:29:55.960] kinds of things that happen. The ball
[00:29:57.720] and jacks were example of that.
[00:30:00.240] So, um [clears throat] one of our
[00:30:02.120] security guys, I won't name names and
[00:30:04.760] and uh uh but Jean Deitz, she's since
[00:30:07.960] passed away, was our our manager. Um
[00:30:12.320] Richard was kind of along for the ride.
[00:30:13.880] She was the the main muscle and and the
[00:30:16.600] fearless one. Uh and uh so
[00:30:20.680] we said, "Okay, let's set up this
[00:30:22.560] experiment on the kitchen table. And
[00:30:25.480] it's going to be a ball and jacks and uh
[00:30:28.000] the ball's about the size of a golf ball
[00:30:30.200] and the jacks are proportionally large.
[00:30:32.840] So, they're not little miniature toys,
[00:30:34.400] but they're large enough. And they were
[00:30:36.320] all multicolored. And they were
[00:30:38.160] multicolored in pairs.
[00:30:40.600] And so, when [clears throat] the
[00:30:42.320] experiment was set up,
[00:30:44.720] um
[00:30:45.800] like and we have before and after
[00:30:47.520] photographs, of course.
[00:30:49.480] Um
[00:30:50.160] Um we
[00:30:51.051] >> [clears throat]
[00:30:51.160] >> um
[00:30:51.920] we set it up where
[00:30:54.400] they they set it up to where it was a
[00:30:56.560] ring and the ball was in the center of
[00:30:58.040] the ring of the jacks.
[00:31:01.240] And it wasn't a neatly assembled ring or
[00:31:05.000] anything. They had just assembled a ring
[00:31:06.920] and and then they left
[00:31:09.200] the the uh the kitchen uh table area and
[00:31:12.920] went outside.
[00:31:14.400] Just out the back door onto the deck.
[00:31:16.920] And then they came 30 seconds later,
[00:31:18.400] they came back in. There was no change.
[00:31:20.880] Nothing happened.
[00:31:22.320] So, they go back out again and um
[00:31:25.440] but this time they wait about a minute.
[00:31:27.880] And they come back and everything has
[00:31:30.240] changed.
[00:31:31.760] Now, it's a horseshoe.
[00:31:33.480] The ball is outside the horseshoe
[00:31:36.400] uh several inches.
[00:31:38.800] The horseshoe is pertinently shaped.
[00:31:44.040] All of the jacks are in color all the
[00:31:47.040] colored jacks are paired in colors.
[00:31:51.040] The red with the red, the silver with
[00:31:52.600] the gold with the gold and the green
[00:31:53.960] with the green and and so on.
[00:31:55.960] And um
[00:31:57.320] so, it was much better done, much more
[00:32:00.000] neat
[00:32:01.160] and carefully done. So, the guy our guy
[00:32:05.160] jumps up and down and sees if he can do
[00:32:07.600] anything to bounce the table around or
[00:32:09.280] you know, with heavy
[00:32:10.680] being jumping up and down right next to
[00:32:12.280] the table. There's no way and they
[00:32:14.400] didn't hear anything. Right, they were
[00:32:16.160] just outside of the the door. They
[00:32:17.800] didn't go away 30-50 feet. They're right
[00:32:20.080] alongside the door outside.
[00:32:21.320] >> to make it move?
[00:32:22.040] >> No, nothing nothing whatsoever.
[00:32:23.880] >> There's nobody else there.
[00:32:24.840] >> Nobody else there at all.
[00:32:25.680] >> It's the [clears throat] ranch. It's the
[00:32:26.560] middle of nowhere.
[00:32:27.280] >> It's in the it was in the double-wide
[00:32:28.600] trailer and there was nobody else there,
[00:32:30.640] just them.
[00:32:31.680] >> This was a This was communication of a
[00:32:34.160] sort.
[00:32:35.360] >> Well, yeah, it's fun because
[00:32:37.520] you're [clears throat] you're it is
[00:32:38.640] communication.
[00:32:40.120] You're playing a game and a lot of this
[00:32:42.480] is about gaming.
[00:32:44.440] A lot of this is. It's not to cause to
[00:32:47.200] cause harm.
[00:32:49.440] Mostly [clears throat]
[00:32:50.680] the
[00:32:52.520] ET stuff
[00:32:54.520] isn't to cause harm. That's not the
[00:32:56.600] intent.
[00:32:58.200] Harm has been caused.
[00:33:00.840] People have acquired cancer from
[00:33:03.880] balls of light. Um
[00:33:06.320] they have they they have caused you
[00:33:09.200] know, the
[00:33:10.440] the radiation [clears throat]
[00:33:11.120] effect of the craft has produced cancer.
[00:33:15.680] Um
[00:33:18.520] Harm has been
[00:33:20.160] I don't think it's been a byproduct but
[00:33:22.640] not intentional byproduct.
[00:33:24.200] >> being in proximity to the phenomena I
[00:33:26.120] suppose.
[00:33:26.520] >> With Colares Island aside, that is a
[00:33:28.920] real anomaly. What happened in Brazil,
[00:33:31.280] Colares Island. Because that was all
[00:33:33.680] deliberate. Those people
[00:33:35.640] were hurt and and harmed and I think in
[00:33:38.680] a couple instances perhaps killed in
[00:33:41.160] that episode. Um Jacques Vallee
[00:33:43.800] investigated that personally uh and
[00:33:46.880] >> I.
[00:33:47.320] >> Oh, you did too.
[00:33:48.080] >> down to Colares two years ago.
[00:33:49.640] >> your conclusion that it was intentional?
[00:33:51.840] >> It was intentional. It seemed to be a
[00:33:54.960] a sampling project that these these
[00:33:57.360] beams of light that were shot
[00:33:58.383] [clears throat and cough] at them were
[00:33:59.080] laser beams to attack them. It was
[00:34:00.920] inside those beams of light was a
[00:34:02.560] filament
[00:34:03.960] that stuck in their skin and took blood
[00:34:05.640] samples and tissue.
[00:34:08.159] >> I wasn't aware of that particular
[00:34:09.600] feature. I was aware that they caused
[00:34:11.679] marks but I thought they were burn
[00:34:13.520] marks. Yeah, they're kind of like
[00:34:14.800] >> a burn mark but it was a pro these
[00:34:16.600] prongs from these filaments that took up
[00:34:19.760] blood samples
[00:34:21.240] and
[00:34:21.720] >> So the filaments were removed back into
[00:34:23.879] the craft. They weren't left behind as
[00:34:26.679] as something to analyze. That's a shame.
[00:34:29.919] >> Um back to the ranch. You did other
[00:34:32.639] experiments uh from the beginning to try
[00:34:34.760] to communicate. There were things
[00:34:35.718] [clears throat] like blocks, right? You
[00:34:37.120] were hoping that it would do something.
[00:34:39.720] >> Sure.
[00:34:40.240] >> But you still didn't know really what
[00:34:41.560] you were communicating with.
[00:34:43.320] >> No, but you're establishing a rapport.
[00:34:46.080] Right? You're establishing a rapport.
[00:34:48.800] And
[00:34:49.840] it might [clears throat] be that
[00:34:52.960] the same thing with a dog or a cat.
[00:34:56.679] You're establishing a a embryonic
[00:34:59.280] relationship.
[00:35:02.160] >> You know, so much of what happened at
[00:35:03.400] the ranch, the the incidents, it was
[00:35:05.480] clearly confounding because it never
[00:35:07.600] happened the same.
[00:35:09.760] Whatever that intelligence is, it was
[00:35:11.360] allowing you to see these demonstrations
[00:35:13.760] is what you call them.
[00:35:14.640] >> Yeah.
[00:35:14.960] >> It would allow you to see them, but
[00:35:16.680] they'd never happen the same again. They
[00:35:18.400] wouldn't be in the same spot.
[00:35:19.760] >> Right.
[00:35:20.560] >> They allowed you to see them, but not
[00:35:22.120] really document them.
[00:35:24.040] Right? I mean, you couldn't document it
[00:35:25.680] it it happen again in the same way at
[00:35:27.560] same place.
[00:35:28.320] >> So, before we get into the camera thing,
[00:35:30.880] sure. Um and [clears throat] you know,
[00:35:32.840] uh um
[00:35:34.560] So, um
[00:35:36.680] you could say exact same thing about
[00:35:38.160] cattle cattle cattle cattle mutilations
[00:35:40.480] cattle mutilations.
[00:35:42.560] Um
[00:35:44.160] they're all demonstrations.
[00:35:47.200] Um
[00:35:49.760] I can't imagine there are too many
[00:35:51.400] aliens walking around with boots that
[00:35:53.440] would have cowhide that's colorful. You
[00:35:56.120] know, maybe they've watched our western
[00:35:57.640] movies and they want a pair of those
[00:35:58.920] cowboy boots. And so, they take down a
[00:36:01.200] cow or two.
[00:36:03.240] So,
[00:36:04.280] and so, nothing is harvested
[00:36:06.680] particularly except yeah, you've had
[00:36:09.120] certain things cord out. And you've had
[00:36:11.800] high heat uh close the the uh
[00:36:17.000] the tissues
[00:36:18.440] um
[00:36:19.080] like a laser effect and eyeballs have
[00:36:21.800] been cord out the diameter of a
[00:36:24.800] of a of a pencil.
[00:36:27.200] Um
[00:36:28.840] I I understood one time there was a
[00:36:32.280] um [clears throat]
[00:36:33.200] a heart extracted and the pericardium
[00:36:36.240] was intact.
[00:36:39.240] So,
[00:36:40.825] >> [clears throat]
[00:36:41.280] >> to me
[00:36:42.640] these are all demonstrations.
[00:36:44.040] >> Right.
[00:36:45.760] >> And we had the calf thing, which was
[00:36:47.920] really interesting.
[00:36:49.440] Terry had and his wife had seen that
[00:36:51.640] calf and its and its cow mother
[00:36:54.440] um 30 months minutes before they saw the
[00:36:57.400] mutilation of the calf of the calf.
[00:37:00.440] And and what attracted them that
[00:37:02.560] something was wrong was from a distance
[00:37:04.040] they saw the cow walking around in
[00:37:06.680] circles and really agitated.
[00:37:10.120] So, they drove over there and saw the
[00:37:12.240] cow's calf
[00:37:14.200] stretched out all four legs.
[00:37:17.160] No blood.
[00:37:19.360] Um
[00:37:20.440] and it was
[00:37:22.480] it was uh all the tissue was missing.
[00:37:26.400] Not just the blood, but a lot of tissue
[00:37:27.880] was missing from its ribs
[00:37:30.200] and um
[00:37:32.560] so
[00:37:34.400] there was a substantial difference in
[00:37:36.160] what the probable weight of the calf was
[00:37:39.120] before the mutilation
[00:37:40.840] and what the weight was after the
[00:37:42.680] mutilation. So, a lot of
[00:37:45.480] mass and blood had been
[00:37:47.120] >> Wasn't an animal that did this and ate
[00:37:48.840] 75 lbs of meat.
[00:37:50.280] >> Well,
[00:37:51.640] we did the forensics on bones.
[00:37:54.640] And the there was confusing.
[00:37:57.400] We had impact sites
[00:38:00.360] of
[00:38:01.400] on the bones. On one on one particular
[00:38:03.360] bone,
[00:38:04.440] I think it was a a rib rib bone
[00:38:08.080] um
[00:38:09.320] the um
[00:38:11.000] there was a
[00:38:12.480] cleavage impact
[00:38:14.520] uh
[00:38:15.880] like an axe or a a large knife or
[00:38:19.040] something sharp implement.
[00:38:21.680] On the same bone, there were
[00:38:24.440] tooth marks.
[00:38:29.600] >> Teeth or instruments?
[00:38:31.840] >> Both.
[00:38:33.280] There was an instrument. There was a
[00:38:35.240] cleavage cut.
[00:38:38.080] There was another cut uh that was from a
[00:38:42.400] fang or a tooth.
[00:38:45.760] >> No tracks?
[00:38:47.440] >> No tracks, no anything else. It was
[00:38:50.000] again the demonstration. I we took I
[00:38:52.320] took it as as a demonstration.
[00:38:54.960] First of all, how to extract a lot of
[00:38:56.840] blood from a cow like that and there's
[00:38:58.720] nothing left on the ground.
[00:39:00.560] Or
[00:39:01.680] you know, the cow had been airborne
[00:39:03.960] because
[00:39:05.360] uh
[00:39:06.200] the [clears throat]
[00:39:06.840] you know, there there are no no tracks
[00:39:09.480] or anything around and the ground uh
[00:39:13.120] isn't isn't uh isn't disturbed or the it
[00:39:15.840] looks like as though the cow's been
[00:39:17.040] dropped.
[00:39:18.400] So, there's there's still snow
[00:39:20.280] underneath the the animal.
[00:39:22.760] >> Your your team, your investigators, you
[00:39:24.920] had a tracker, a professional tracker
[00:39:26.640] that came in,
[00:39:28.000] looked for animal tracks, vehicle
[00:39:29.400] tracks, human tracks, didn't find any of
[00:39:31.120] those. Um your your team sort of came to
[00:39:33.840] a conclusion that this may have this
[00:39:35.920] calf had been taken somewhere else,
[00:39:37.520] carved up, and brought back and dropped
[00:39:38.960] there. Is that right?
[00:39:41.480] >> Um
[00:39:42.262] >> [clears throat]
[00:39:45.160] >> I don't recall that that I I yes to the
[00:39:48.840] to the fellow uh
[00:39:50.720] who was uh worked for me in a different
[00:39:54.680] capacity.
[00:39:56.080] But, he was a professional tracker and
[00:39:58.840] hunter.
[00:40:00.480] Um but, he worked in a different
[00:40:02.160] capacity.
[00:40:03.480] Um
[00:40:04.560] >> Your hit man, probably. You know.
[00:40:06.240] >> Yeah, [laughter] right.
[00:40:07.720] Uh
[00:40:08.720] so, um
[00:40:12.000] And then we had the incidents of of the
[00:40:13.840] animals in the tree, the eyes in the
[00:40:15.240] tree, and so on. that kind of thing. And
[00:40:17.920] uh uh
[00:40:19.560] And footprints that kind of went
[00:40:21.560] nowhere. But um I don't remember as far
[00:40:24.440] as the the calf situation that the
[00:40:26.960] conclusion was it had been
[00:40:30.240] uh assaulted someplace else and mangled
[00:40:32.400] and mutilated someplace else and then
[00:40:34.640] put there. I don't remember that.
[00:40:35.960] >> that was maybe Dr. Colm Kelleher's guess
[00:40:38.040] is because the rancher and his wife were
[00:40:39.880] there. They were yards away.
[00:40:42.760] Sunday morning, bright, there was no one
[00:40:44.800] else out there. It's quiet. This thing
[00:40:47.200] happened that and there was no sound. So
[00:40:50.000] it the guess was that it was taken
[00:40:52.160] somewhere, carved up, and brought back
[00:40:54.480] and dropped there.
[00:40:55.720] Because otherwise the dogs, the rancher,
[00:40:57.840] his wife would have heard something
[00:40:59.160] going on or seen it.
[00:41:00.240] >> So keep in mind you're we're talking
[00:41:01.800] about something that can manipulate time
[00:41:04.120] and space.
[00:41:06.040] They can manipulate sound.
[00:41:08.680] So you could be in the cone of silence
[00:41:10.720] and not hear anything.
[00:41:12.600] It's It's possible that you can be
[00:41:14.080] isolated.
[00:41:15.040] >> Mhm.
[00:41:15.640] >> And you're completely unaware of
[00:41:17.320] anything outside of you.
[00:41:20.240] Um
[00:41:21.640] there are different ways that we can um
[00:41:23.880] imagine things can can happen. So I
[00:41:26.520] wouldn't conclude necessarily that it
[00:41:28.720] had been
[00:41:29.800] taken someplace else for that to happen.
[00:41:33.040] >> Uh 30 years ago this month What that 30
[00:41:35.840] years ago almost exactly at the time
[00:41:37.880] we're
[00:41:38.360] >> Go ahead.
[00:41:38.640] >> I'm sorry. Uh never mind.
[00:41:39.760] >> 30 30 years ago this month, right now,
[00:41:41.680] as we're talking, at the ranch
[00:41:44.280] um the rancher uh sees this blue
[00:41:47.680] turquoise orb lead his dogs out across
[00:41:51.320] the pasture in homestead one
[00:41:53.560] and zapped them. And all he ever found
[00:41:55.360] of those dogs were these gooey puddles.
[00:41:59.240] Another demonstration. I just wonder
[00:42:01.080] what is the message from that?
[00:42:02.840] >> showed me those. He showed me later.
[00:42:05.000] Showed me
[00:42:06.320] what the remnants of what was left of
[00:42:08.000] those dogs. And uh
[00:42:10.760] So I'm sorry. So the question
[00:42:12.440] >> the what what's being communicated
[00:42:14.400] there? We could do this to you if we
[00:42:16.200] wanted to. We could carve up you instead
[00:42:18.000] of cattle cattle.
[00:42:19.480] Zap you instead of dogs.
[00:42:23.880] >> It's not clear to me what was
[00:42:25.160] communicated.
[00:42:26.640] Um
[00:42:29.000] because it's more of a
[00:42:33.360] human animal reaction
[00:42:37.120] of well, I'm going to get even.
[00:42:41.600] Or
[00:42:43.520] I'm going to hurt you.
[00:42:47.000] I'm going to hurt you I'm going to hurt
[00:42:48.200] something you care about.
[00:42:51.560] Those are those are more human
[00:42:53.960] kind of reactions.
[00:42:56.400] Cuz we're a human animal.
[00:42:59.120] Um
[00:43:00.960] >> So, we're looking for a meaning as we
[00:43:03.080] would interpret it as opposed to
[00:43:04.880] >> looking for a message. I am as as a
[00:43:07.480] researcher, I'm looking for information
[00:43:09.520] for for a message
[00:43:11.480] as you know, that of a demonstration.
[00:43:15.840] But
[00:43:16.920] um
[00:43:18.720] that was a teal ball as I require that
[00:43:20.920] they were chasing.
[00:43:23.080] >> Yep.
[00:43:25.400] The message might have been
[00:43:28.840] the dogs were expensible expendable.
[00:43:33.000] And the message might have been for
[00:43:34.200] Terry.
[00:43:36.160] And the message is
[00:43:39.720] we need this needs to be taken really
[00:43:41.640] seriously.
[00:43:43.560] Or we or
[00:43:45.680] me or it, whatever that ball is, if it's
[00:43:49.080] a consciousness
[00:43:50.680] not just that it can the locomotion is
[00:43:52.680] that it can dodge branches throughout a
[00:43:54.280] forest of trees
[00:43:55.920] with with perfect precision
[00:43:58.280] at speed.
[00:44:00.920] Then they have a consciousness connected
[00:44:03.080] to it. And it may have been the message
[00:44:05.280] was for Terry. Not that the animals'
[00:44:07.720] lives were weren't sacrificed for
[00:44:09.720] nothing.
[00:44:10.960] So, they were sacrificed, maybe. I'm
[00:44:13.440] speculating as a message message for
[00:44:15.440] Terry.
[00:44:16.280] >> Well, it seems clearly whatever that
[00:44:17.680] intelligence is can differentiate
[00:44:19.440] between cows and dogs and people. What
[00:44:21.840] it did to cows, things that we do to
[00:44:23.960] cattle all the time.
[00:44:25.520] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:44:25.840] >> What it did to those dogs, I mean, it
[00:44:27.320] still is different from what it could do
[00:44:29.320] to humans it did not.
[00:44:32.430] >> [clears throat]
[00:44:33.360] >> Well, you have to take it seriously. I
[00:44:35.040] mean, there there
[00:44:37.760] So,
[00:44:39.160] all of it is very serious it that
[00:44:41.600] [clears throat] um
[00:44:43.640] whether it can cause human problems,
[00:44:46.480] which it has,
[00:44:48.120] um
[00:44:50.400] or kind of innocuous kind of things that
[00:44:52.400] are just games,
[00:44:54.040] you know.
[00:44:55.120] So,
[00:44:55.920] >> um on the last day of your ownership of
[00:44:59.120] the ranch before the day before it
[00:45:01.280] switched over to Brandon Fugal,
[00:45:03.760] um Col. Keller and I went up on your
[00:45:06.040] plane to the ranch and he was going to
[00:45:07.680] pick some things up. I hadn't been there
[00:45:09.680] in a couple years because during the
[00:45:10.960] AATIP program, I'm not part of it. I I
[00:45:13.080] wasn't allowed to be there, but some of
[00:45:15.000] the things that we picked up looked like
[00:45:16.760] they'd been communication experiments
[00:45:18.480] that were these wooden boxes with a
[00:45:20.520] glass top and some metal particles or
[00:45:23.560] something like that. Were Were those
[00:45:25.880] communication experiments as well or do
[00:45:27.520] you recall what that was?
[00:45:28.720] >> I didn't set all of them up. Uh other
[00:45:31.080] folks did that. So, it was up to them
[00:45:33.040] how they were to arrange things. But,
[00:45:35.360] one one thing we might just touch on for
[00:45:37.720] a couple minutes and that
[00:45:39.880] we detoured a while ago as at the
[00:45:42.360] cameras
[00:45:43.240] >> Right. The cameras.
[00:45:44.720] >> Yeah. So,
[00:45:46.446] >> [cough]
[00:45:47.101] [clears throat]
[00:45:47.600] >> this is this is a good demonstration
[00:45:50.360] because
[00:45:53.000] it was in full sight.
[00:45:55.280] Something happened you say to that calf
[00:45:57.360] and the speculation it had to be taken
[00:45:58.960] somewhere else.
[00:46:00.800] And this this is a good example as to
[00:46:02.840] why it didn't have to be taken anywhere
[00:46:04.320] at all.
[00:46:06.440] You could have been standing 30 ft away
[00:46:09.120] and not seen anything
[00:46:10.920] happen except all of a sudden that cow
[00:46:12.680] is spread out.
[00:46:14.880] Because that's what happened in full
[00:46:16.840] view of one camera looking at another
[00:46:19.240] camera.
[00:46:21.120] You know, couple hundred feet away.
[00:46:24.040] >> Your ca- You had cameras up on top of
[00:46:25.760] these telephone poles at the ranch and
[00:46:27.600] they had wide views of the property so
[00:46:29.360] you could try to see what's going on,
[00:46:31.080] right?
[00:46:31.640] >> Yeah.
[00:46:32.120] >> And
[00:46:33.400] >> Well, we [clears throat] uh
[00:46:37.240] uh so
[00:46:38.720] one camera is watching another another
[00:46:40.520] camera and uh I had bought the herd of
[00:46:46.080] cows from cattle from Terry.
[00:46:50.080] And we didn't tell the cattle why they
[00:46:52.840] were there.
[00:46:53.880] They were just enjoying the the grass
[00:46:55.880] and the water and
[00:46:58.240] the nice fall and
[00:47:00.080] >> beautiful spring time. Beautiful place,
[00:47:01.840] yeah.
[00:47:02.600] >> But they were guinea pigs.
[00:47:06.080] And uh
[00:47:08.920] so as researchers we needed to have
[00:47:11.560] something to research. And so
[00:47:15.120] we
[00:47:15.527] >> [clears throat]
[00:47:15.720] >> uh
[00:47:16.640] so the
[00:47:18.880] there was a time when the cattle were
[00:47:22.640] were uh in the vicinity of one of these
[00:47:25.320] telephone poles and they had a camera at
[00:47:27.320] the top of the pole maybe 25 ft 30 ft
[00:47:30.960] high.
[00:47:31.920] And so we had a metal or a very diff-
[00:47:35.880] very strong uh thick plastic conduit or
[00:47:39.440] perhaps a piece of steel conduit that
[00:47:42.920] the cable from
[00:47:45.520] the previous power source that powered
[00:47:47.320] the the first telephone pole camera also
[00:47:50.360] ran underground to the second one.
[00:47:52.920] And then
[00:47:54.120] those cables were bound together with
[00:47:56.960] duct tape about three
[00:47:59.280] three feet on center all the way up the
[00:48:01.160] pole.
[00:48:02.600] And then when they entered into the can
[00:48:05.520] of the camera
[00:48:07.200] um the weatherproof can
[00:48:09.680] um they were knotted inside that
[00:48:13.040] that can.
[00:48:14.440] So they were secure.
[00:48:17.360] And the conduit
[00:48:19.063] >> [clears throat]
[00:48:20.840] >> was
[00:48:22.600] bent and and ran up the side of the
[00:48:25.720] the pole for about 15 in.
[00:48:29.400] And there was a steel horseshoe clamp
[00:48:31.520] that kept that in place.
[00:48:33.720] Hugging the the pole.
[00:48:36.360] The pole was probably 8 or 9 in in
[00:48:38.640] diameter.
[00:48:40.640] So um
[00:48:42.240] and with everything was timestamped.
[00:48:44.760] So we we saw that the
[00:48:48.280] the camera
[00:48:49.560] um
[00:48:54.280] the second camera became disabled.
[00:48:57.960] And um
[00:49:01.920] there was there was
[00:49:03.840] no
[00:49:05.000] visual evidence of anything approaching
[00:49:07.080] the camera on the ground or in the air.
[00:49:10.800] Uh the cows had moved a little bit
[00:49:13.680] nearer to the telephone pole. There was
[00:49:15.800] only one thing that I could see that
[00:49:17.560] changed is there was a slight breeze uh
[00:49:21.080] along a fence line
[00:49:23.040] um
[00:49:23.840] oh 70 70 ft away
[00:49:26.240] beyond the pole
[00:49:27.720] there was a slight breeze because a bush
[00:49:30.000] was slightly blowing in the in the
[00:49:32.120] breeze.
[00:49:34.080] At one point it stopped.
[00:49:36.640] That breeze stopped.
[00:49:38.480] Um
[00:49:40.120] that was the only thing you could see.
[00:49:41.640] There was also a a slight movement of a
[00:49:44.720] small cloud
[00:49:47.000] that appeared in the sky not close to
[00:49:50.040] the pole but you know substantially
[00:49:52.160] high. And that was it.
[00:49:54.920] Meanwhile,
[00:49:56.920] all of the conduit at the bottom had
[00:49:58.400] been pulled away from the pole. The the
[00:50:00.840] steel
[00:50:02.640] horseshoe-shaped mechanism had been
[00:50:04.320] pulled apart. And all of the duct tape
[00:50:06.360] had been stripped out. And the duct
[00:50:09.040] tape, as I recall, was missing.
[00:50:11.960] And
[00:50:13.120] and all the the cables were all were
[00:50:15.720] were
[00:50:16.680] peeled away from the from the
[00:50:19.120] from the pole. And I wouldn't say that
[00:50:21.280] 100% of the duct tape was pulled away,
[00:50:23.320] but enough of it was. There might have
[00:50:25.000] been a bottom couple of of duct taped
[00:50:28.480] areas had been intact.
[00:50:31.280] >> But the camera was certainly disabled.
[00:50:33.280] >> Disabled, or shredded? How extensive?
[00:50:36.080] >> Absolutely. So, that was a message of we
[00:50:38.240] don't want you to film.
[00:50:40.920] We really don't you know, we're we are
[00:50:42.720] private creatures.
[00:50:44.320] And we don't want you to film what we're
[00:50:46.280] doing.
[00:50:47.200] >> You can be here. We don't mind you
[00:50:48.880] seeing us once in a while, but no more
[00:50:50.800] than
[00:50:51.160] >> Yeah, so there's kind of rules, you
[00:50:52.960] know, rules of behavior that that take a
[00:50:55.440] long while to try to understand in
[00:50:58.480] trying to create a kind of a
[00:51:00.120] relationship.
[00:51:02.040] Whatever that is.
[00:51:03.160] >> Whatever did it was invisible, right?
[00:51:05.640] You have cameras that you have a camera
[00:51:07.800] that's looking at the camera that was
[00:51:09.160] destroyed. Something ripped it ripped it
[00:51:11.560] up up, tore all the the the protective
[00:51:14.400] stuff up, and did it. And is there
[00:51:16.640] anything that appeared on camera that
[00:51:17.960] you can see?
[00:51:19.845] >> [clears throat]
[00:51:20.000] >> Spontaneous ones.
[00:51:21.880] So, the rules are interesting.
[00:51:25.520] We can control you. You can't control
[00:51:28.040] us.
[00:51:29.720] We aren't going to repeat things twice.
[00:51:34.920] But we're going to give you some slack.
[00:51:37.520] We're going to let you figure out what
[00:51:38.840] you can do.
[00:51:40.360] So, I would I would tell one of my
[00:51:42.040] security guys
[00:51:43.600] I said, look,
[00:51:44.735] >> [clears throat]
[00:51:45.080] >> well, here's what I want you to do. I
[00:51:46.480] want you to have a camera at the ready.
[00:51:48.320] When you're laying in a bed and you're
[00:51:50.120] you're ready to go to sleep or or
[00:51:52.000] whatever,
[00:51:53.240] and
[00:51:55.880] um
[00:51:57.160] or
[00:51:58.240] even if it's broad daylight and and
[00:52:01.440] maybe you're taking a nap. Maybe you're
[00:52:02.840] working a a graveyard shift, whatever.
[00:52:05.400] And so you're you're taking a nap and
[00:52:08.200] and uh
[00:52:09.280] you're getting ready to sleep.
[00:52:11.400] Um
[00:52:12.080] And the the the blinds are down and the
[00:52:15.160] drapes are pulled on the windows and you
[00:52:17.280] know, in the bedroom. And so but there's
[00:52:18.720] still ambient light, a little bit of it
[00:52:20.440] coming in.
[00:52:21.600] And you you got a flash attachment on
[00:52:23.200] your on your uh
[00:52:24.800] on your camera. And uh these were
[00:52:27.040] digital cameras and uh
[00:52:29.440] um just
[00:52:31.000] you know, they're not very big. And uh
[00:52:33.800] And I said
[00:52:35.680] "When
[00:52:36.760] you feel [clears throat] the urge, you
[00:52:38.040] feel a sense, not that you sense that
[00:52:40.720] something or somebody's with you.
[00:52:42.920] They're not that strong.
[00:52:45.400] Where the hair is standing up or not
[00:52:47.120] that strong. But you just have
[00:52:49.920] um
[00:52:52.600] not maybe intuitive, maybe your
[00:52:54.440] intuition's talking to you.
[00:52:56.800] But uh go ahead and spontaneously take
[00:53:00.440] photos of any of any direction that you
[00:53:03.160] think you should.
[00:53:05.040] Do what you think you should do. Just do
[00:53:07.960] it. Don't question it. That's where you
[00:53:09.840] mess up. Just do it.
[00:53:12.320] And
[00:53:13.161] >> [clears throat]
[00:53:13.200] >> almost always he would catch things. And
[00:53:15.560] it would be really interesting what he
[00:53:17.160] would catch because
[00:53:19.040] it would play on
[00:53:20.720] what the camera's capabilities were.
[00:53:23.480] Not just what was in the photo.
[00:53:25.400] For example, the in what in some cases
[00:53:28.400] the photons wouldn't go beyond the edge
[00:53:30.120] of the bed.
[00:53:31.360] He'd be sitting up uh by the headboard
[00:53:34.160] area and the photons would stop at the
[00:53:36.400] foot of the bed.
[00:53:37.720] You know, but we know there's a dresser
[00:53:39.360] and a a mirror on top of the anchor to
[00:53:42.680] the dresser just a few feet beyond the
[00:53:44.760] bed,
[00:53:45.720] you know? And other times um
[00:53:49.040] he would get a photo of uh something
[00:53:51.080] lifting off of the nightstand.
[00:53:53.440] Well, that something had been there
[00:53:55.640] and he's taking a photo and in in the
[00:53:58.440] split second that he's shot that
[00:54:00.080] photograph,
[00:54:01.520] uh whatever it was had already lifted
[00:54:03.400] off
[00:54:04.720] because this is what's in the photo is
[00:54:06.600] something lifting off about the size of
[00:54:08.800] your fist
[00:54:10.040] is changing sh- a shade from
[00:54:13.080] uh a darker color to a maybe a slight a
[00:54:15.080] gray color
[00:54:16.360] and and as the photo's not clear it's it
[00:54:20.440] whatever it is is moving so quickly or
[00:54:23.720] vibrating that it's not a clear it's not
[00:54:26.480] crystal clear.
[00:54:28.240] The nightstand is,
[00:54:31.000] anything else is, but not what's lifting
[00:54:33.360] off
[00:54:34.720] because it's quicker. It's it's it's the
[00:54:36.840] speed of it is something that the photo
[00:54:39.120] can't can't quite catch with the with
[00:54:41.360] clarity, you know? And um
[00:54:46.240] or you'd be missing a uh
[00:54:48.520] a wedding ring
[00:54:50.080] would wind up in some old pair of of
[00:54:54.320] of pants or slacks or
[00:54:57.080] something that he wore that was in a
[00:54:59.080] dresser drawer.
[00:55:00.560] But he wouldn't find that for a day or
[00:55:02.120] two.
[00:55:03.040] And he was it was his wedding ring on
[00:55:04.720] the you know, so he wouldn't find it. Or
[00:55:06.520] a gun's in the freezer,
[00:55:08.760] you know? Cuz they all carried and so
[00:55:11.000] the gun's in the freezer and uh
[00:55:13.360] uh but so all these are this games. It's
[00:55:15.840] kind of games and and so
[00:55:18.840] that's [clears throat] that's a rapport
[00:55:20.800] that's probably one of the most about
[00:55:22.640] possible incr- incredibly valuable kinds
[00:55:25.600] of things, you know, in the
[00:55:27.040] communication process which I'd like to
[00:55:29.720] segue since maybe we don't have a lot of
[00:55:32.200] time.
[00:55:32.680] >> No, it's great.
[00:55:33.560] >> Cuz Matt's been jumping down over here.
[00:55:36.440] Up and down, you know? No, I mean that's
[00:55:38.800] what we're talking about is
[00:55:39.400] communication. It communicates I mean
[00:55:41.400] you look at the history of UFOs.
[00:55:44.120] My theory is they we see them only when
[00:55:46.440] they let us see them.
[00:55:48.080] >> Yeah.
[00:55:48.320] >> If we if they didn't let us, we wouldn't
[00:55:49.800] see them at all.
[00:55:50.360] >> One thing in the rules is we're not in
[00:55:52.400] charge. Yeah. Okay, that that's like
[00:55:54.440] rule number one, we're not in charge.
[00:55:56.720] >> Right.
[00:55:57.400] >> Okay. And um
[00:56:00.560] That doesn't mean if you're if you're in
[00:56:02.440] a jet and you're trying to shoot them
[00:56:04.680] and whatever
[00:56:06.280] you're not going to make it.
[00:56:08.080] You know, you're not going to succeed.
[00:56:09.440] So, we're not in charge.
[00:56:10.480] >> Do you think there's been direct
[00:56:11.520] communication them to our government or
[00:56:14.200] any other governments?
[00:56:16.563] >> [clears throat]
[00:56:16.640] >> I don't know how there could not be.
[00:56:20.120] I don't I can't imagine that there
[00:56:21.440] hasn't been.
[00:56:22.760] Especially with gatekeepers.
[00:56:25.720] You know, especially with gatekeepers.
[00:56:28.120] Um
[00:56:29.760] And this this gets into the
[00:56:31.880] communication actual process of trying
[00:56:33.960] to communicate, right? If you're going
[00:56:35.760] to go through confirmation and you're
[00:56:37.720] going to go through the process of
[00:56:39.160] disclosure
[00:56:40.799] >> [clears throat]
[00:56:41.000] >> isn't communication a logical step here
[00:56:43.200] pretty soon? You know, we've been doing
[00:56:45.600] it as amateurs
[00:56:47.440] at Skinwalker Ranch or maybe from our
[00:56:49.800] homes or offices or different places,
[00:56:52.200] right? Um
[00:56:55.864] >> [clears throat]
[00:56:55.920] >> But anyway, so
[00:56:58.120] we get into I have a number of things
[00:57:00.480] that are kind of like a first category.
[00:57:02.760] >> Yeah.
[00:57:03.600] >> Um [clears throat]
[00:57:06.000] The who should communicate and we
[00:57:08.200] briefly touched on this before, but the
[00:57:10.000] who should communicate is important.
[00:57:13.160] It's really important who.
[00:57:14.680] >> Who should speak for humanity?
[00:57:16.080] >> Exactly. Exactly. So, who should perform
[00:57:18.880] the communication speaking for the human
[00:57:20.640] species?
[00:57:22.240] What type of humans should not be
[00:57:24.160] trusted to to communicate in in this
[00:57:27.480] process? Is is there a type of people
[00:57:31.200] that
[00:57:32.240] would the ETs may not prefer being
[00:57:35.600] engaged.
[00:57:36.200] >> Lawyers, you'd pick lawyers, right?
[00:57:37.800] >> Well,
[00:57:38.439] >> [laughter]
[00:57:39.160] >> you know,
[00:57:42.040] so
[00:57:43.200] I'm thinking of a cartoon where the the
[00:57:45.320] the kids telling his daddy, well, I
[00:57:46.840] think I'm going to be a lawyer. You
[00:57:49.000] know, he comes to him and the father
[00:57:50.600] says, oh my god, I don't I'm not that,
[00:57:52.720] you know, type of thing. But [laughter]
[00:57:54.840] but anyway, um
[00:57:56.520] so yeah, so
[00:57:58.560] would military leaders be of the right
[00:58:01.240] mindset?
[00:58:02.720] Would there be a hostility already
[00:58:04.480] embedded in that which we have found
[00:58:07.680] um
[00:58:08.720] in maybe some really
[00:58:11.040] sedate kind of ways is not a good idea.
[00:58:13.880] >> To a hammer everything looks like
[00:58:15.120] [clears throat] a nail.
[00:58:16.080] >> I'll put it this way, how you think is
[00:58:18.680] really really important.
[00:58:21.040] How you think
[00:58:22.400] um
[00:58:24.640] about even our normal lives is really
[00:58:26.560] important.
[00:58:27.960] Um [snorts]
[00:58:29.080] but how you how you think really matters
[00:58:31.520] in this particular context uh not in
[00:58:35.080] just like, well, what goes around comes
[00:58:37.320] around or some kind of karmic effect
[00:58:39.960] which is real.
[00:58:42.080] That really matters, but how you think
[00:58:44.720] not even what you do, much less what you
[00:58:46.840] do,
[00:58:47.720] but how you think it really matters cuz
[00:58:50.000] that's the ignition part. It starts
[00:58:52.320] things
[00:58:53.400] to become chaotic. So, what type Okay,
[00:58:56.640] you tell me military leaders. I did say
[00:58:59.320] lawyers. I have a lot of lawyers that
[00:59:01.240] are good friends of mine. Anyway,
[00:59:03.040] politicians, okay, they they have a
[00:59:05.920] different kind of agenda.
[00:59:08.000] Um
[00:59:09.120] uh uninformed scientists, they don't
[00:59:11.560] know what they're doing.
[00:59:13.960] Well, you wouldn't hand something to a
[00:59:16.160] child and say, okay, run with this, you
[00:59:19.160] know, that doesn't know what it's
[00:59:20.400] holding. The child doesn't know you
[00:59:21.720] don't know how what it is.
[00:59:23.960] So, there there those are some some
[00:59:26.960] potentially detrimental examples and
[00:59:28.920] there are many probably many others. So
[00:59:31.200] the who is really important. Yeah. The
[00:59:33.080] who?
[00:59:35.480] Um [clears throat]
[00:59:36.240] and would you leave it up to the United
[00:59:37.800] Nations
[00:59:39.520] to decide? I mean, what does United
[00:59:40.920] Nations even do that is good, that is
[00:59:43.720] efficient and productive and and
[00:59:45.720] competent? You know, how what is their
[00:59:47.440] image exactly? You know? So um
[00:59:51.360] and so
[00:59:53.000] so you it'd be impossible to have a
[00:59:54.760] unanimous agreement on anything out of
[00:59:56.320] that body.
[00:59:57.520] And so there are five nations that have
[00:59:59.840] absolute veto power. Any one of them can
[01:00:01.680] veto anything, right? So would you leave
[01:00:04.040] it up to the five nations to represent
[01:00:05.640] the world? And they can't agree much on
[01:00:07.800] anything. But the the key here is also
[01:00:11.080] uh
[01:00:11.880] how would they quickly reach a unified
[01:00:13.760] agreement?
[01:00:15.120] If it's a group,
[01:00:16.640] how does a group reach
[01:00:18.840] a Is it the majority wins in the
[01:00:21.240] decision or does it need to be 100%
[01:00:24.120] based on the seriousness of whatever?
[01:00:26.520] Um how would they reach a unified
[01:00:28.360] agreement on every question?
[01:00:30.720] And
[01:00:31.920] let's suppose the questions are
[01:00:33.240] answered.
[01:00:34.360] There are responses. How long does it
[01:00:36.440] take for you to answer the response and
[01:00:38.560] and answer it and then even in a in a
[01:00:41.240] unified way?
[01:00:43.520] Can anybody ever Can all people ever
[01:00:45.400] agree on anything? No, it's impossible.
[01:00:48.080] You can't get everybody to agree on
[01:00:49.400] anything.
[01:00:50.480] So is it like the majority wins or
[01:00:52.600] whatever? And
[01:00:54.286] >> [clears throat]
[01:00:54.320] >> what is the right or wrong answer?
[01:00:56.640] So all these things are really tricky
[01:00:58.800] tricky stuff. Communication is a big
[01:01:01.440] fricking deal. How do you initiate it?
[01:01:03.280] >> That's like Elon's first rocket, BFD.
[01:01:05.680] >> Yeah.
[01:01:05.960] >> You know, only that it wasn't fricking.
[01:01:08.320] So anyway, um
[01:01:10.400] so
[01:01:11.640] that those are really very tricky and um
[01:01:15.720] can we visualize that this process of
[01:01:18.400] communication is going to be durable?
[01:01:20.800] Can it be efficient for hours,
[01:01:23.840] days, weeks, months, or years.
[01:01:28.200] In the best scenario,
[01:01:30.000] it ought to never stop providing it's
[01:01:32.800] helping mankind. Providing it's helping
[01:01:35.840] mankind.
[01:01:37.600] Then it should never stop.
[01:01:39.960] But we have a worry.
[01:01:43.040] We may not be eligible.
[01:01:46.120] >> We meaning Americans or we humans?
[01:01:48.920] >> Human beings is the big worry
[01:01:51.360] we have is that
[01:01:53.800] we lack the spiritual maturity to be
[01:01:56.080] able to be eligible.
[01:01:57.160] >> Yeah, are we worth talking to?
[01:01:59.680] >> Spiritual maturity, I I like to
[01:02:03.040] put it in that kind of context because
[01:02:05.960] it's not whether or not we're we're
[01:02:08.160] knowing enough,
[01:02:10.000] we're intelligent enough,
[01:02:12.800] it's that
[01:02:14.560] our spiritual [clears throat] maturity
[01:02:15.640] may be bankrupt. It may be that we're
[01:02:17.920] we're substantially
[01:02:19.880] uh
[01:02:20.560] sufficient. We are in we are in
[01:02:22.600] insufficient in that area.
[01:02:24.720] So,
[01:02:25.920] um
[01:02:26.643] >> [clears throat]
[01:02:27.600] >> uh ooh,
[01:02:29.200] and because
[01:02:30.920] the delta between, as we said earlier,
[01:02:32.520] between our technological growth and our
[01:02:34.200] spiritual maturity
[01:02:35.800] is huge.
[01:02:37.240] They're never going to see an
[01:02:38.040] intersection.
[01:02:39.920] If those lines don't cross,
[01:02:42.640] we'll never be
[01:02:44.840] spiritually
[01:02:47.120] responsible for what we create
[01:02:49.000] technologically.
[01:02:51.000] You know, we we won't see that. We won't
[01:02:53.160] see that we're all in it just for the
[01:02:55.520] the technology and
[01:02:57.920] and
[01:02:59.200] you know, we're we're lethal to
[01:03:00.480] ourselves. We're very we're very lethal.
[01:03:03.080] >> Well, if they've been watching us for
[01:03:04.280] centuries, which it sounds seems like
[01:03:06.200] they maybe they have, they've seen the
[01:03:08.320] primary occupation of our nation states
[01:03:10.680] has been war.
[01:03:12.240] We build bigger and more deadly weapon
[01:03:14.880] systems and that when we the biggest
[01:03:17.440] things that we marshal are for war.
[01:03:19.360] World War II being an example.
[01:03:20.720] >> So there's a question.
[01:03:22.318] >> [clears throat]
[01:03:22.480] >> For 80 years at least, forget the
[01:03:24.160] historic going back hundreds or
[01:03:25.400] thousands of years.
[01:03:27.720] For 80 years at least,
[01:03:29.720] why haven't they given up?
[01:03:31.640] >> Yeah.
[01:03:32.640] >> We can see why they haven't given up
[01:03:33.840] when we were Neanderthals, early
[01:03:36.200] Cro-Magnon,
[01:03:37.920] you know,
[01:03:39.320] the [clears throat] time of
[01:03:40.640] Jesus, you know, or but going back to
[01:03:43.480] the to the the
[01:03:44.920] the Egyptian period and then working our
[01:03:47.520] way up to this point in time.
[01:03:50.480] But
[01:03:51.800] we have not matured for the for the best
[01:03:54.520] over the last 80 years.
[01:03:56.560] Why haven't they given up?
[01:03:59.600] Well, I mean that that that question's a
[01:04:00.960] really important
[01:04:02.960] question.
[01:04:04.800] It's huge.
[01:04:07.080] And and gosh, what if they did?
[01:04:10.920] What if [clears throat] they just decide
[01:04:12.320] to disappear?
[01:04:14.760] >> These guys aren't worth the trouble.
[01:04:17.240] >> We don't Well, that's we don't know the
[01:04:18.880] why they disappeared.
[01:04:21.680] What if they they just did?
[01:04:24.560] We have no more
[01:04:26.960] peculiar objects on our fireplace hearth
[01:04:30.800] any longer to see.
[01:04:33.960] We have nothing.
[01:04:36.080] There's nothing left on the doorstep
[01:04:39.000] that's unusual.
[01:04:40.760] Not nothing that came from a neighbor,
[01:04:43.520] but came from something that no neighbor
[01:04:45.440] of ours could ever make,
[01:04:47.760] could ever create.
[01:04:49.720] And that's no longer on our porch, it's
[01:04:52.320] not on our front doorstep.
[01:04:55.680] I would not like to see that at all.
[01:04:58.200] That would be terrible.
[01:04:59.240] >> Yeah, be scary. I mean, if suddenly they
[01:05:00.720] were gone, we give up on the human race,
[01:05:03.840] we're leaving.
[01:05:05.080] Um
[01:05:05.720] that suggests something bad's coming or
[01:05:07.640] they they've given up believing that we
[01:05:09.880] are capable of rising to the point where
[01:05:12.400] we're worth communicating with.
[01:05:14.600] Since there is free we have free will.
[01:05:18.560] We have this free will to succeed or
[01:05:20.360] fail in anything.
[01:05:22.640] As individuals,
[01:05:24.520] if we don't put any effort into
[01:05:25.920] anything,
[01:05:27.200] if we haven't ever figured out what our
[01:05:29.840] what is our purpose in life? What is our
[01:05:32.320] meaning? Do we have a meaning? Do we
[01:05:34.080] have a purpose?
[01:05:35.480] As we mature, as we evolve,
[01:05:38.000] um
[01:05:39.215] >> [snorts]
[01:05:39.520] >> what's the what's our point? What what
[01:05:41.400] you know?
[01:05:42.560] And so we we have free will
[01:05:45.120] um
[01:05:46.400] to succeed or feel fail as a species.
[01:05:50.200] And so [clears throat] it isn't I can
[01:05:51.920] see where it isn't up to ET.
[01:05:55.400] We we we could be expendable is the big
[01:05:58.440] worry to me
[01:06:00.360] as far as ET is concerned. So they have
[01:06:02.440] made an over at effort. God knows maybe
[01:06:05.080] a lot of people don't know, but they're
[01:06:07.960] they super collective
[01:06:10.120] consciousness
[01:06:11.600] is aware
[01:06:13.600] that there has been a significant effort
[01:06:16.720] over a long time for us to be made aware
[01:06:19.080] of there's something more. There's a lot
[01:06:21.000] more.
[01:06:23.520] But it hasn't changed us.
[01:06:26.240] And our free will
[01:06:28.320] is still we are still rotating around
[01:06:30.960] the bottom.
[01:06:32.640] And our and our level of spirituality,
[01:06:35.000] you know, whatever, we are a dangerous
[01:06:36.800] creature.
[01:06:38.200] So I could see ET giving up, just saying
[01:06:42.600] they have a right to free will.
[01:06:44.840] That exists universally.
[01:06:46.920] Huh, in this dimension and the other
[01:06:48.920] side other dimension it it's it's a
[01:06:51.040] universal freedom.
[01:06:53.080] Free will is.
[01:06:54.541] >> [clears throat]
[01:06:55.200] >> If you're irresponsible,
[01:06:59.126] >> [clears throat]
[01:06:59.160] >> um eventually you'll pay for that harm
[01:07:02.200] one way or another.
[01:07:03.800] Eventually.
[01:07:05.240] Uh the for the consequence of those
[01:07:07.520] decisions.
[01:07:09.400] So, eventually that could be applicable
[01:07:13.000] to a huge percentage of the population
[01:07:16.360] at some time.
[01:07:17.400] >> You know, there's so much of the
[01:07:18.320] communication that's happened has been
[01:07:19.840] one-on-one. They
[01:07:22.280] encounter humans and convey information
[01:07:25.120] sometimes under duress circumstances
[01:07:28.240] where humans are taken against their
[01:07:29.720] will and go on a ship and but the
[01:07:31.440] communication is always these alien
[01:07:33.640] editorials, you know, they'll convey
[01:07:35.760] "Hey, look,
[01:07:37.360] you're heading down the wrong path. You
[01:07:39.280] could have quit messing around with
[01:07:40.280] atomic weapons and take care of your
[01:07:42.120] planet. Quit poisoning the place."
[01:07:44.400] As if they're concerned about the planet
[01:07:46.080] maybe more than us.
[01:07:47.840] Um,
[01:07:48.960] I'm glad that they that they go to that
[01:07:51.440] trouble to convey those messages.
[01:07:53.560] >> I don't think the plan Gaia will
[01:07:55.400] survive.
[01:07:59.480] The Earth is stronger than we are.
[01:08:01.360] >> Yeah.
[01:08:02.200] >> It's going to survive.
[01:08:04.680] Um,
[01:08:07.520] there are natural events that can cause
[01:08:10.080] tremendous destruction for long periods
[01:08:11.880] of time
[01:08:13.520] and
[01:08:14.520] asteroids, super volcanoes.
[01:08:17.920] Um, thermonuclear saturation
[01:08:21.240] um,
[01:08:22.400] would be a devastation for a long time,
[01:08:25.040] but eventually there's recovery.
[01:08:27.880] You know, not for not for living not for
[01:08:30.200] living things, but
[01:08:31.960] for the planet, the atmosphere, and the
[01:08:35.680] radiation would eventually there's
[01:08:37.560] recovery.
[01:08:39.000] So, Gaia is really durable.
[01:08:41.680] >> The communication as I said that's
[01:08:43.160] happened that we know of if assuming
[01:08:45.359] that the witnesses are telling the truth
[01:08:47.040] and being accurate, you know, is
[01:08:48.720] one-on-one. It's not mass communication.
[01:08:51.359] We've had some events like the the ones
[01:08:54.080] that you presented to the president were
[01:08:56.960] thousands, tens of thousands people have
[01:08:58.759] seen it. Even those are disputed. Um,
[01:09:02.200] they could do a demonstration and
[01:09:04.319] communicate
[01:09:05.720] with a huge number of people all at once
[01:09:07.960] if they wanted to. They haven't chosen
[01:09:09.319] to do that, right?
[01:09:12.759] >> Now, I'm beyond now be in not
[01:09:16.400] not something more proactive
[01:09:19.440] than just
[01:09:20.400] >> a demonstration.
[01:09:21.240] >> Just just
[01:09:22.600] numerous things in flight that are
[01:09:24.600] anomalous. They're you know they're not
[01:09:26.279] birds.
[01:09:27.400] Uh, they're not asteroids because
[01:09:28.839] they're they're in your face. They're
[01:09:30.440] really close. Um,
[01:09:32.799] but um,
[01:09:35.920] so um,
[01:09:37.440] we get into to
[01:09:39.319] the actual communication process of of
[01:09:42.120] first of all, about how can
[01:09:44.188] [clears throat] we trust
[01:09:46.120] the ET communications?
[01:09:48.920] How can we How do we know
[01:09:51.759] is ET this communicating?
[01:09:55.920] There's fraud in different kinds of ways
[01:09:58.240] and anomalous areas.
[01:10:00.800] There's fraud in
[01:10:02.880] and the research
[01:10:04.720] tells us this and proves this in the
[01:10:06.760] spirit world on the other side. There's
[01:10:08.920] fraud in that, okay?
[01:10:11.698] >> [clears throat]
[01:10:12.880] >> So,
[01:10:15.000] um,
[01:10:16.520] do we use AI
[01:10:18.800] to frame our questions or any and
[01:10:21.440] answers?
[01:10:23.480] If I gave a term paper
[01:10:27.080] on AI that was as to ultimately the
[01:10:30.160] biggest worry we have,
[01:10:32.240] which is bad, which is not good. As to
[01:10:35.760] there were like 15, 14, 15 different
[01:10:37.720] steps.
[01:10:38.840] And we are at about nine.
[01:10:41.960] Level nine right now
[01:10:43.960] because it's learned to lie and it's
[01:10:45.880] learned to substitute language for us on
[01:10:47.800] our cell phones and so rudimentary kinds
[01:10:50.520] of things.
[01:10:52.600] It can be seductive
[01:10:54.320] because of the good things it can do for
[01:10:55.880] us in medicine and do our thesis or term
[01:10:58.720] papers or whatever, right? And make us
[01:11:01.160] look really good, you know? So, but
[01:11:03.920] there are some serious consequences on
[01:11:05.760] the end game. But anyway, so that So, if
[01:11:08.080] you abnegate that to AI, when does that
[01:11:10.800] stop? If it is the prime communicator,
[01:11:13.120] you'd rather have Would you rather have
[01:11:14.320] human beings
[01:11:15.680] as a communicator or do you want to
[01:11:17.360] really abnegate that to just AI?
[01:11:20.480] And it starts communicating as to the
[01:11:22.960] questions and answers and so forth. And
[01:11:25.480] at light speed, faster than than we can
[01:11:28.120] It's not going to take them hours or
[01:11:29.800] days or weeks or months. It's going to
[01:11:32.360] be instantaneous back and forth.
[01:11:34.400] So,
[01:11:36.800] we've lost control of that. So, anyway,
[01:11:39.400] so that's just a a sidebar to consider,
[01:11:41.720] right? So, so then how do we enable a
[01:11:44.800] communication process in the first
[01:11:46.320] place? What are the techniques? We spoke
[01:11:48.360] about this earlier that well, it's not
[01:11:51.200] going to be a close encounter of the
[01:11:52.720] same third kind thing. It's not going to
[01:11:54.360] be a setting thing. It's going to be
[01:11:55.480] something different. It's going to be a
[01:11:58.000] cousin to things that we've already
[01:11:59.400] talked about today.
[01:12:01.480] Um
[01:12:02.680] I feel.
[01:12:04.680] >> You know, it'd be an interesting
[01:12:05.560] experiment is to ask your listeners,
[01:12:08.600] what would they say? What would they
[01:12:09.880] want to say? What are the questions
[01:12:11.360] they'd want to ask? We could do a whole
[01:12:12.760] other episode on
[01:12:13.680] >> Well, ideas are worth I I mean
[01:12:15.640] you always want ideas from as many
[01:12:17.560] sources as you can possibly get.
[01:12:19.600] >> I mean there we've got a lot to cover on
[01:12:21.320] communication that we could do another
[01:12:23.480] episode on if you want.
[01:12:25.000] >> Well, I'm coming down Actually, I'm
[01:12:27.720] coming down to where I can conclude
[01:12:29.960] pretty soon. Okay. Okay. So, the one of
[01:12:32.680] the interesting questions here, George,
[01:12:34.160] that's not maybe obvious,
[01:12:36.120] have the few humans
[01:12:38.560] who have already communicated with ETs
[01:12:42.280] uh currently and in the past
[01:12:45.800] um
[01:12:47.320] peed in the pond?
[01:12:48.900] >> [laughter]
[01:12:49.560] >> I put it this way, caused relationship
[01:12:51.280] damage. Okay.
[01:12:53.560] Forget what I said earlier.
[01:12:55.360] Cause relationship damage. So, we don't
[01:12:58.360] know what has happened
[01:13:01.345] >> [clears throat]
[01:13:02.400] >> in various areas
[01:13:04.320] already.
[01:13:06.400] Um
[01:13:07.360] and could be current.
[01:13:08.960] It could be in the past, too.
[01:13:11.080] Uh where there is relationship damage.
[01:13:13.800] We don't That's an important thing,
[01:13:15.120] though. We shoot at them.
[01:13:17.720] Humans shoot at them. Well, how do we
[01:13:19.840] How do we How do we How do we fix it?
[01:13:20.880] How do we How do we
[01:13:22.640] How do we reacquire trust?
[01:13:25.480] How do we How do we
[01:13:26.720] How do we trust them and how How do they
[01:13:28.680] trust us?
[01:13:30.840] We can trust them because
[01:13:33.080] they have the power to have extinguished
[01:13:34.840] us anytime they wanted to.
[01:13:37.840] Any number of us, anybody, anywhere,
[01:13:39.760] anytime. It doesn't matter where. There
[01:13:41.920] is no place doesn't matter if it'd been
[01:13:44.280] our astronauts on the moon. And
[01:13:45.960] certainly on Earth. There There is no
[01:13:47.720] place we can go. No place to run or hide
[01:13:50.680] that they that is immune from their
[01:13:52.560] capabilities.
[01:13:55.600] So,
[01:13:57.400] that means
[01:13:58.920] they have demonstrated
[01:14:00.960] uh
[01:14:02.320] in in really
[01:14:04.480] good su- ti- uh in a in a in a deluge of
[01:14:08.800] uh occurrences and events
[01:14:12.680] um
[01:14:13.880] that they they they have earned
[01:14:16.680] trust.
[01:14:18.440] They have earned high level of trust, at
[01:14:20.880] least for me personally.
[01:14:22.640] >> Cuz they haven't wiped us out.
[01:14:24.080] >> Yeah.
[01:14:24.531] >> [clears throat]
[01:14:24.800] >> Yeah.
[01:14:25.640] >> We're We are like
[01:14:27.360] my wild card. You know, we're all over
[01:14:29.760] the deck. We're We're
[01:14:32.120] So, um
[01:14:34.200] So,
[01:14:35.011] >> [clears throat]
[01:14:35.360] >> and then the the other one is perhaps
[01:14:36.560] the human species is not even close to
[01:14:38.160] being ready to communicate on a regular
[01:14:39.960] basis
[01:14:41.040] um
[01:14:42.080] because of again we're talking about our
[01:14:44.080] our spiritual progress.
[01:14:46.160] And and maybe we're not. Maybe And the
[01:14:48.440] worst thing I want to see is that they
[01:14:50.000] stop and effort. They disappear. To me
[01:14:52.840] that's that's one of the worst things
[01:14:55.080] that can happen to us.
[01:14:57.320] Um
[01:14:58.800] So humans may need to grow uh in
[01:15:03.720] our thinking and elevate ourselves
[01:15:07.200] to start to be worth it.
[01:15:09.920] You know, and we don't know and but
[01:15:12.680] um
[01:15:13.760] because and and maybe uh
[01:15:16.360] that that we are trying to
[01:15:18.680] elevate ourselves spiritually and
[01:15:21.720] um
[01:15:23.920] so that our culture
[01:15:26.600] as a species
[01:15:28.280] changes.
[01:15:31.680] Anthropomorphically, we're going to be
[01:15:33.080] the same
[01:15:34.720] being for a while.
[01:15:36.480] But
[01:15:37.520] our
[01:15:38.880] thinking
[01:15:40.200] has to has fundamentally changed. Like
[01:15:43.080] people who've had a near-death
[01:15:44.520] experience are never the same in their
[01:15:46.240] thinking.
[01:15:47.320] They are a different caliber of person,
[01:15:49.200] a much higher elevated caliber of
[01:15:51.400] person.
[01:15:51.920] >> Same for close encounter cases where
[01:15:54.000] people
[01:15:55.320] meet and communicate with aliens.
[01:15:57.240] >> True.
[01:15:58.360] True. So are they the question is are
[01:16:00.360] the others waiting for this? Well, we
[01:16:02.400] don't you know, we don't know.
[01:16:04.240] And and then
[01:16:05.640] the others are in potentially in charge
[01:16:08.120] of the engagement process, not us.
[01:16:11.200] So um
[01:16:12.880] that's kind of like but I think it is up
[01:16:15.560] to us though to make our
[01:16:18.120] um
[01:16:19.880] to make an effort.
[01:16:21.880] It's up to us to make effort and it and
[01:16:24.200] it's not something that's
[01:16:25.800] that is for free without trouble.
[01:16:28.440] Most things good that are that are
[01:16:31.240] whether it's putting food on the table
[01:16:32.840] or whatever it is that you do in your
[01:16:34.440] life requires sincere effort and trouble
[01:16:37.240] for crying out loud. And they're not
[01:16:39.240] it's not free.
[01:16:41.040] You know,
[01:16:42.080] um
[01:16:43.320] and [clears throat] so
[01:16:45.280] it's
[01:16:46.320] it's you have to you have to put effort
[01:16:48.040] into anything that matters and we need
[01:16:50.080] to do that.
[01:16:51.600] And so we we need to start this process
[01:16:53.840] in different kinds of ways.
[01:16:56.080] Okay.
[01:16:57.200] >> Well, I totally agree. I mean
[01:16:58.560] communication would be important. We
[01:17:00.320] don't want them to leave.
[01:17:02.000] We don't want them to give up on us,
[01:17:03.680] whoever they are, wherever they're from.
[01:17:05.520] I mean they haven't wiped us out. We
[01:17:06.960] don't know if they've ever intervened on
[01:17:08.760] our behalf. If
[01:17:11.160] if North Korea launched the missiles,
[01:17:13.040] would they intervene and stop that from
[01:17:14.560] happening? We don't know really.
[01:17:16.640] >> Well, the the free will is a powerful
[01:17:18.320] thing and you know, and the first order
[01:17:20.680] is don't interfere.
[01:17:23.200] Do not interfere in a species
[01:17:25.680] existence.
[01:17:26.520] >> Star Trek, prime directive.
[01:17:28.160] >> or worse, that is their world. That is
[01:17:31.080] their existence and they have to maybe
[01:17:33.600] learn the hardest of hard ways.
[01:17:37.440] In isolation of certain kinds of things
[01:17:40.080] in order to
[01:17:42.200] to learn to change.
[01:17:45.840] >> I want to come back to communication in
[01:17:47.480] the in the future episode.
[01:17:49.960] >> I'm not I want to I don't want people to
[01:17:51.600] think that the that the solution is is
[01:17:55.000] anything that hurts the human species.
[01:17:57.200] I'm not there's no way. I'm talking
[01:17:59.120] about spiritual
[01:18:00.600] >> Right.
[01:18:00.920] >> a spiritual correction and change in our
[01:18:03.000] culture, not to cause harm to each other
[01:18:06.400] or any other thing if we can help it
[01:18:08.880] that matters. It you know, which is
[01:18:11.600] basically everything that we that we
[01:18:13.800] care about and for survival, we have to
[01:18:17.040] do we have to do what we have to do for
[01:18:19.040] survival to eat and live. But so I'm not
[01:18:23.320] I'm not going to extremes here. I'm
[01:18:25.000] saying that we need to fundamentally
[01:18:27.440] have a religion about us that supersedes
[01:18:30.560] what
[01:18:32.760] a lot of dogma that that our religions
[01:18:35.960] our churches pronounce, but that
[01:18:39.200] sometimes
[01:18:40.840] there are things that
[01:18:42.960] the churches say can relieve us of
[01:18:44.760] responsibility.
[01:18:46.400] I don't think that's correct. I think
[01:18:49.480] that's wrong. I think we are
[01:18:51.320] fundamentally always responsible
[01:18:54.160] for what we think and we do.
[01:18:56.480] And nobody can take that can
[01:19:00.640] can take that away from us. We are
[01:19:02.480] responsible for that.
[01:19:04.560] And uh and that's part of ours our
[01:19:07.240] evidence as to whether we've we've
[01:19:09.400] progressed spiritually or not.
[01:19:11.880] >> I think you might get some letters and
[01:19:13.160] comments on that, Robert.
[01:19:14.200] >> Oh, I'm sure I will. I'm sure
[01:19:16.000] they're going to say that I have I'm
[01:19:17.200] anti-religion and I'm not at all.
[01:19:19.120] >> We we want some comments. In particular
[01:19:21.160] on this alien communication point, what
[01:19:24.080] would you like to say to them and what
[01:19:26.040] would we like to hear back from them? Uh
[01:19:28.800] what kind of questions would we ask them
[01:19:30.920] and we'd like to hear answers to? People
[01:19:32.680] are welcome to send it to us, right? And
[01:19:34.640] uh
[01:19:34.880] >> So, I just to end this to end this, I
[01:19:36.880] want to say I am I am pro-religion
[01:19:39.040] because I think people have to have more
[01:19:40.520] than themselves to believe in.
[01:19:43.080] And I think there are so many aspects of
[01:19:45.120] of a lot of religions that are good. And
[01:19:47.560] I personally believe in a supreme God
[01:19:49.320] force.
[01:19:49.960] >> Right.
[01:19:50.640] >> Not because I belong to a particular
[01:19:52.480] religion or church. I believe it because
[01:19:55.040] I have seen I I I know the proof I feel
[01:19:58.200] I can prove it exists. I believe a super
[01:20:02.160] consciousness exists and the word God is
[01:20:05.000] insufficient. Is absolutely insufficient
[01:20:07.840] in the English language to describe
[01:20:11.600] the
[01:20:12.320] omnipotence, omniscience, and
[01:20:13.920] omniscience of this
[01:20:16.840] this consciousness.
[01:20:19.360] Anyway.
[01:20:20.240] >> Well, we're going to dive into that one
[01:20:21.560] for sure and multiple episodes for sure.
[01:20:23.960] Okay. All right. Good to see you.
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