Robert Bigelow and George Knapp discuss UFO disclosure

• Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0N33jb7Bhk
• Publisher: 8 News Now - Las Vegas
• Published: 2026-08-03
• Duration: 01:09:13
• Speakers: Robert Bigelow and George Knapp
• Extraction: YouTube captions via /code/scripts/youtube_transcript.py --timestamps
• Extracted: 2026-08-05
• Related analysis: ../../queries/2026-08-05-new-information-bigelow-knapp-trump-disclosure
• Related profiles: ../../sources/bigelow-aerospace-enabler and ../../sources/skinwalker-ranch

The transcript below preserves the available captions and timestamps. Caption errors remain in the raw text. The captions render White House Staff Secretary Will Scharf as "William Sharf," Susie Wiles as "Susie Wilds," and AAWSAP as several variants.

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[00:00:11.920] Robert, you've spent I don't know how
[00:00:13.280] many years and how many millions of
[00:00:15.440] dollars, probably more money than any
[00:00:17.039] person in the history of the world
[00:00:18.320] pursuing topics of mutual interest.
[00:00:20.320] You've been at this even longer than I
[00:00:21.760] have, which is an awful long time.
[00:00:23.359] >> I think it even started in a past life
[00:00:25.199] for me. I It's been a very long time.
[00:00:27.039] Um, you know, at the beginning when I
[00:00:29.199] first knew you back in the late 80s, uh,
[00:00:32.079] the idea of disclosure was such a faroff
[00:00:34.800] concept. It really wasn't even, you
[00:00:36.800] know, we're trying to figure out what
[00:00:38.160] what's real, what do people know, what
[00:00:40.719] do we need to know, but the idea of
[00:00:42.719] someone announcing disclosure, whether
[00:00:45.120] that's the president or the pope or
[00:00:46.800] something like that, was just such a
[00:00:48.399] farway idea. It's
[00:00:49.360] >> well, the subject was was made fun of.
[00:00:51.120] It was a joke.
[00:00:52.079] >> Yeah.
[00:00:52.480] >> And mostly by a lot of the media
[00:00:54.320] propagated that,
[00:00:55.280] >> right? Right.
[00:00:56.079] >> Right. I've been on the receiving end of
[00:00:57.520] that and you have too. But now it's not
[00:00:59.520] so far away anymore. I mean, the idea of
[00:01:01.520] disclosure is being discussed earlier
[00:01:03.280] this year.
[00:01:04.320] >> The president
[00:01:05.920] >> issued a directive said start releasing
[00:01:08.080] information on these files. Now, it's
[00:01:10.240] been a little disappointing what's been
[00:01:11.920] released so far. And I don't know who's
[00:01:13.680] in charge of what gets released, but at
[00:01:15.920] least it's happened and he's
[00:01:17.280] acknowledged that it's something he
[00:01:18.880] wants to share with the public. That's
[00:01:20.400] an amazing step to come that far. But
[00:01:23.040] you had a chance to speak directly with
[00:01:25.439] the president and urged him to go even
[00:01:28.240] further uh earlier this year. When did
[00:01:30.240] that happen?
[00:01:31.759] >> So I was uh I was in the process for for
[00:01:36.479] um several months putting together a
[00:01:39.200] series of reports on seven different
[00:01:42.159] topics and UAP's ET and disclosure was
[00:01:47.439] one of the topics.
[00:01:49.759] And so, um, when [clears throat] I was
[00:01:52.479] ready, I, uh, asked to see him. And so,
[00:01:56.640] Jan or February the 6th, I was in the
[00:01:59.520] Oval Office with the president. And
[00:02:01.920] there was a staff secretary by the name
[00:02:04.880] of William Sharf, S C H A RF, who uh,
[00:02:09.520] was also there with the president,
[00:02:11.520] myself. And um I had
[00:02:16.400] uh concerns about dumping so much
[00:02:18.560] information on him at one time. And I
[00:02:21.440] asked Susie um
[00:02:23.520] >> Susie WS
[00:02:24.319] >> Susie Wilds, should I really shouldn't I
[00:02:27.440] hold back and maybe only give him two or
[00:02:30.000] three papers. And uh she said no. She
[00:02:33.200] said go ahead and and give him
[00:02:34.560] everything. I can tell you this. It may
[00:02:37.200] take him a while, but he will eventually
[00:02:38.959] read it all. Said okay, I'll do it. You
[00:02:42.160] don't know how much time you got with
[00:02:43.360] them?
[00:02:43.599] >> I haven't a clue. I figure it's probably
[00:02:45.360] more than 30 minutes, but I don't know.
[00:02:47.599] And as it turned out, I I we were
[00:02:49.680] finished in about an hour and 15 or 20
[00:02:52.160] minutes. And but I could have taken two
[00:02:54.640] days cuz these were complex subjects.
[00:02:57.840] And on the U disclosure UAP ET subject,
[00:03:01.920] which is always great fun to talk about.
[00:03:04.159] Uh that's a really important one. It's
[00:03:06.000] super important.
[00:03:06.800] >> What what was your goal going in? What
[00:03:08.560] was the one thing you wanted to convey
[00:03:09.952] [clears throat] to him on that topic
[00:03:11.920] that what that you wanted to come out
[00:03:13.440] and have him understand
[00:03:15.760] >> in such a short period of time? I only
[00:03:17.760] had an average of like 11 minutes per
[00:03:20.879] paper to talk about the paper. Um, I
[00:03:25.360] wish I had a lot more, but I Let me let
[00:03:27.519] me read to you something I I told him I
[00:03:29.920] wanted him to say verbatim and I
[00:03:32.239] described where he should say it, not
[00:03:34.799] where a podium existed and a lot of
[00:03:37.120] media existed, but I said, "I want you
[00:03:39.440] to, for example, deliver this statement
[00:03:43.440] as you are getting onto Airplaceh Air
[00:03:46.080] Force One and you're about to go through
[00:03:48.640] the the hatchway through the door. Uh
[00:03:51.280] but you stop and talk to the media and
[00:03:53.680] you might say something like uh I just
[00:03:56.159] want you to hear something. I want to
[00:03:57.519] make a statement. And I would said
[00:04:01.360] and this is what I want you to say Mr.
[00:04:03.200] President.
[00:04:04.720] A non-human intelligent presence has
[00:04:07.599] been on Earth for a very long time using
[00:04:10.959] spacecraft and with performances
[00:04:12.959] completely beyond our capabilities
[00:04:16.320] and our human physics.
[00:04:19.040] And that's it. to say nothing else.
[00:04:21.280] That's it. That's all because what this
[00:04:23.520] is is disclosure and and you're it's
[00:04:27.360] actually confirmation and and the two
[00:04:29.759] are weld welded together. These are
[00:04:32.479] wetted together and and confirmation has
[00:04:36.080] not been uh officially made by any
[00:04:38.800] president that I know of. And there's
[00:04:40.960] not they they've had different kinds of
[00:04:42.880] contact conversations and so forth. And
[00:04:47.120] uh a really good close friend of mine
[00:04:49.280] verified Harry Reid who he and I were
[00:04:52.400] very good friends for many many years
[00:04:54.639] verified with Bill Clinton that he
[00:04:56.800] didn't know about the subject and this
[00:04:58.560] was I think in his second term and there
[00:05:01.680] was a staffer that wrote a book and he
[00:05:04.320] referred to a conversation that he and
[00:05:06.560] that Bill Clinton had President Clinton
[00:05:08.560] had and it just it involved um when
[00:05:13.680] President Clinton said to him Before I
[00:05:16.320] leave office, there are two things I
[00:05:18.639] really want to know. What the hell is
[00:05:21.199] the UFO subject all about? And who
[00:05:24.240] really killed JFK?
[00:05:26.479] >> Yeah. His aid was Webb Hubble who got
[00:05:28.479] the assignment to go dig into those.
[00:05:30.240] >> Yes. Yes.
[00:05:30.960] >> And he didn't get the answers.
[00:05:32.080] >> So here he took the book, right?
[00:05:33.360] >> So I gave him the book and I show him
[00:05:34.720] where on page so and so has said that.
[00:05:36.560] So he he met with with President
[00:05:39.199] Clinton. He said, "Did you say this?"
[00:05:41.199] And Clinton said, "Hell yes. Would you
[00:05:43.520] like to know the the answers to those
[00:05:45.039] two things? You know, he said,
[00:05:46.479] 'Absolutely. You know, I would.
[00:05:48.160] >> I mean, the sense that we have after
[00:05:50.080] digging into this topic for a long time,
[00:05:52.000] presidents come and presidents go and
[00:05:54.400] they have varying uh degrees of interest
[00:05:56.960] in the topic and various uh varying
[00:06:00.080] degrees of knowledge of it, right? Uh if
[00:06:02.320] they don't push it, they're not going to
[00:06:04.720] find out. Is that your sense of it?
[00:06:06.240] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. They have to
[00:06:08.720] somebody [clears throat] has to be the
[00:06:10.080] the driving force to pull that wagon and
[00:06:13.120] it's and it can't let go.
[00:06:14.560] >> And I I suppose even if they do press
[00:06:16.800] press it and push it, they don't
[00:06:18.639] necessarily get briefed.
[00:06:20.080] >> Oh well, they will not have anything to
[00:06:22.000] do they will not know anything about
[00:06:23.600] unagnowledged SAPS for sure. And only on
[00:06:27.199] a really serious need to know basis
[00:06:29.199] would they have anything to do with
[00:06:30.479] acknowledged SAPS. You know TSSCI is
[00:06:34.080] nowhere near close enough. you know,
[00:06:35.840] that that was only clearances that we
[00:06:37.840] had. Top secret special compartmental
[00:06:40.080] information. Uh that's not even remotely
[00:06:43.039] close enough. So, let's go back to
[00:06:45.360] Donald Trump. You know him. I mean, it's
[00:06:47.199] not like you're hanging out and going
[00:06:48.560] bowling on Saturday nights, but you're
[00:06:50.160] friends. You you've supported him over
[00:06:51.759] the years. A lot of money, a lot of
[00:06:53.199] donations in his campaigns. You know
[00:06:55.199] him. You've been to Mara Lago. He calls
[00:06:57.280] you from time to time. So, the chance to
[00:07:00.160] sit down and talk with him on this
[00:07:01.759] topic. That's the first time you've
[00:07:03.520] talked to him about it, right? Well, it
[00:07:05.039] was a big honor to be in the Oval Office
[00:07:06.800] on and and being able to brief him on so
[00:07:10.319] many different kinds of really sensitive
[00:07:12.560] important topics and including this one
[00:07:15.680] and uh it was it was a lot of fun. We
[00:07:19.360] we'll come back to the other topics at
[00:07:21.280] some point in future conversations. I
[00:07:23.120] hope this is the first of many that we
[00:07:24.639] have. Uh but you you prepare a document
[00:07:27.199] for them a and what you want to convey
[00:07:29.919] in that time period and then there's
[00:07:31.759] additional material in that document
[00:07:33.440] like what what you have in there.
[00:07:34.880] >> Well so first I said okay we got to
[00:07:37.599] clear we we we you know the resolute
[00:07:40.000] desk is a very famous desk and that's
[00:07:41.919] what he was sitting behind. I said we're
[00:07:43.680] going to have to clear all half of this
[00:07:44.960] stuff off the desk. So, William, the
[00:07:47.520] other the the the staff secretary there,
[00:07:50.639] uh we started we we were grabbing things
[00:07:53.199] and and sorry, uh we were grabbing
[00:07:55.919] things and uh so we were we we made room
[00:07:59.520] for these seven different stacks of
[00:08:01.680] reports that I'm leaving behind. It more
[00:08:04.080] than just one copy. And so um so that's
[00:08:08.240] how it started. and um and we got into
[00:08:12.080] to the topic about um [snorts]
[00:08:16.639] the UAP topic and and [clears throat]
[00:08:18.639] disclosure and um we had um I remember
[00:08:24.879] talking at some time about um the
[00:08:28.000] gatekeepers.
[00:08:29.919] So this disclosure is a process and I
[00:08:32.320] and I was I was emphasizing that the
[00:08:36.159] disclosure process starting
[00:08:38.110] [clears throat] with confirmation is a
[00:08:39.839] big deal that that you know that really
[00:08:41.519] is important for somebody like the
[00:08:43.360] president of the United States to say
[00:08:44.720] yeah they're real they're here and
[00:08:46.800] eliminate all the other nonsense all the
[00:08:48.880] noise that's been going on for 80 years.
[00:08:51.839] Um
[00:08:53.680] and [clears throat] so I wanted him to
[00:08:55.920] focus on gatekeepers.
[00:08:58.560] Um,
[00:09:00.240] and I emphasize these people because
[00:09:02.560] they're the ones that are in government
[00:09:05.360] locations and private corporation
[00:09:07.839] locations that have spent
[00:09:09.551] [clears throat] their substantial lives
[00:09:11.839] or careers um working in in very uh
[00:09:16.720] secluded [clears throat]
[00:09:17.519] environments
[00:09:19.040] um and they have custody of
[00:09:24.240] the goods. more information
[00:09:27.891] [clears throat] than they are diamonds
[00:09:30.080] in a coal mine.
[00:09:32.160] They have um
[00:09:35.040] they have obtained information about ET
[00:09:37.519] themselves
[00:09:40.000] uh about hardware.
[00:09:42.240] Um
[00:09:44.000] other countries are working on this
[00:09:45.760] exact same thing. So you have to be
[00:09:48.959] careful not to talk about things that
[00:09:50.800] would give other people advantages and
[00:09:52.720] so on. And uh the gatekeepers, I've I've
[00:09:56.640] told people that there are heroes of a
[00:09:59.279] different kind. A lot of people would
[00:10:01.200] laugh at that, but it's true. It's true.
[00:10:04.800] Um they [snorts] go to their graves
[00:10:07.200] taking information that they their
[00:10:09.360] spouses
[00:10:10.880] u have never heard, their children have
[00:10:13.440] never heard, they can't talk about it to
[00:10:15.040] any any friend. Um so um they're
[00:10:19.440] isolated about that. And and after a
[00:10:22.320] while, I think that must be a burden,
[00:10:25.519] you know, to to hold those kinds of
[00:10:27.200] secrets. I remember uh I I I was I was
[00:10:31.200] talking to Safo Henderson one time and
[00:10:34.399] Pat Papy Henderson was her husband and
[00:10:38.480] she said, "Well, we [clears throat] were
[00:10:40.160] in the grocery store one time and uh he
[00:10:43.440] and there's an article in there in one
[00:10:45.680] of the magazines about it's finally been
[00:10:48.560] revealed about ETSs and aliens and
[00:10:51.680] they're in the line, you know, getting
[00:10:53.279] their groceries." And he says, "Oh my
[00:10:56.160] god, Safy." He says, "Uh, I can I can I
[00:10:59.200] guess it's out now. I can actually tell
[00:11:00.880] you what I've been doing all these
[00:11:02.720] years." He was one of the pilots of uh
[00:11:06.640] one of the cargo planes taking uh from
[00:11:09.680] Roswell uh in the in the crash retrieval
[00:11:12.880] of of Roswell in 47. And so um and then
[00:11:18.640] um she said to me well later uh and her
[00:11:22.000] daughter daughter was there too as we
[00:11:23.760] were talk she was relating the story he
[00:11:25.920] had since passed away but she said it
[00:11:28.160] was so funny because
[00:11:30.720] um he said I was I wasn't supposed to
[00:11:32.880] know that because the article really
[00:11:34.720] wasn't an expose of of fact and of
[00:11:37.360] truth. It was like the weekly world news
[00:11:39.200] talking about
[00:11:39.680] >> it was just a cover story to get
[00:11:41.440] attention so you're buying the magazine
[00:11:43.760] you know uh before you check out and so
[00:11:47.120] and he he said oh well he said God he
[00:11:49.600] said I probably shouldn't have he said I
[00:11:51.040] guess it was just something that that
[00:11:52.959] was out there in the magazine and I
[00:11:54.480] shouldn't have told you anything so
[00:11:56.320] don't say anything to anybody but that
[00:11:59.120] was that was really my first realization
[00:12:01.440] about how um how
[00:12:05.519] private that information [clears throat]
[00:12:07.279] is kept with everybody involved, you
[00:12:09.839] know, for for unagnowledged and
[00:12:12.320] acknowledged SAPS.
[00:12:14.079] >> Let's go back to the beginning of this
[00:12:15.760] meeting. So, you go in, you've got seven
[00:12:17.519] papers, you issues that you want to
[00:12:19.839] discuss with him, UAP, ET, disclosure
[00:12:22.800] being one of them. You walk into the
[00:12:24.639] office, you don't know how much time
[00:12:26.000] you're going to have. And for purposes
[00:12:27.600] of our conversation, you can't tell me
[00:12:30.160] and our listeners, you can't say what
[00:12:32.480] the president said, right?
[00:12:33.600] >> No, I can't.
[00:12:34.560] >> So, you can only tell me what you told
[00:12:35.920] him. But you you go into it with an idea
[00:12:38.160] of it's not just things in the sky
[00:12:40.240] floating around some mystery. We've got
[00:12:42.800] the goods somewhere there are crashes.
[00:12:46.480] >> Do you tell them that there are bodies
[00:12:48.079] that there are crash retrieval vehicles
[00:12:50.560] from of unknown origin or how specific
[00:12:53.600] do you get on that? Um,
[00:12:57.839] I I basically I focused on
[00:13:01.839] him
[00:13:03.760] and how to prepare himself if he's not
[00:13:08.560] already prepared.
[00:13:10.560] And it's not normal for for a
[00:13:13.360] businessman [clears throat] to be a
[00:13:15.920] researcher in these kinds of topics, you
[00:13:18.639] know, survival of consciousness beyond
[00:13:20.160] permanent bodily death or UFOs and ETSs.
[00:13:23.360] and that's not normal. And so, um, I was
[00:13:27.760] advising him [clears throat] to try to
[00:13:30.720] be as quick a study as he can because
[00:13:33.200] he's going to be getting advice from a
[00:13:34.800] lot of different folks. and um so he
[00:13:38.639] needs to do all that he can to to find
[00:13:41.440] responsible material to read um from
[00:13:45.600] really good good authors and and
[00:13:47.440] reliable reliable uh uh books that that
[00:13:51.200] uh you can trust
[00:13:52.399] >> and government agencies the people that
[00:13:54.000] work for him [clears throat]
[00:13:55.839] >> and that's that's tough. Yes. because um
[00:14:00.240] because they can be distant from so it
[00:14:04.399] depends on on whether they've heard it
[00:14:06.720] se second hand first second third or
[00:14:09.440] fourth hand fifth hand firstand would be
[00:14:11.040] you you've actually experienced it
[00:14:12.639] yourself but are you third hand or
[00:14:15.839] fourthand or how far down the chain uh
[00:14:18.959] are you in terms of the information
[00:14:21.040] that's been relayed to you and how much
[00:14:22.639] has that conversation changed as it been
[00:14:25.040] passed on and passed on from person to
[00:14:28.079] Um, and really if you got a just a short
[00:14:31.040] glimpse of something, going down a
[00:14:32.720] hallway, looking into a window or
[00:14:35.279] somewhere where
[00:14:37.440] normally you shouldn't have been maybe,
[00:14:39.199] but you were escorted by a friend
[00:14:42.480] and maybe you saw something that um was
[00:14:46.399] dramatic, but all you saw was a tip of
[00:14:48.560] an iceberg. You really didn't understand
[00:14:51.120] the fundamentals of what you saw. You
[00:14:53.600] might have saw a being or you might have
[00:14:56.000] seen a structure. And so it's tricky as
[00:14:59.600] to when you're talking to to human
[00:15:01.440] beings about anything. It's tricky as to
[00:15:03.920] as to what they're revealing. All right.
[00:15:06.320] You you're conveying to him this is
[00:15:08.079] real. You need to pay attention to it.
[00:15:11.360] You should probably make an announcement
[00:15:13.120] at some point, but don't go too far. and
[00:15:16.480] you're conveying to him it's serious and
[00:15:18.639] that there have been people who've been
[00:15:20.240] keeping this secret for a long time,
[00:15:22.399] including probably from him. I mean,
[00:15:24.480] he's made statements here and there,
[00:15:26.320] off-handed remarks about UFOs, etc. He's
[00:15:29.120] not entitled to know on unagnowing saps
[00:15:31.600] or even acknowledging saps basically
[00:15:33.839] presidents of United States. And this
[00:15:36.005] [clears throat] is this is kind of uh
[00:15:37.760] rough because
[00:15:39.600] um
[00:15:41.920] this this field
[00:15:44.480] has more trust in 30-year admirals and
[00:15:48.079] generals. I mean that's just everybody
[00:15:49.920] kind of knows that that's been around.
[00:15:52.079] Um politicians come and they go and um
[00:15:57.600] and
[00:16:00.480] so 30-year admirals and generals are are
[00:16:04.079] much more in the eyes of folks people
[00:16:07.600] who will stay the course because they're
[00:16:10.880] not running for an election. They're not
[00:16:12.720] going to be here just for four years or
[00:16:14.720] eight years or if they're a senator for
[00:16:17.040] a term of six or 12 or 18 or whatever.
[00:16:19.680] Um but and they're not their life is not
[00:16:23.680] to please the public. It's not their
[00:16:27.199] life isn't compromised by being a
[00:16:29.199] politician. So admirals and and generals
[00:16:32.240] >> and intelligence agency
[00:16:33.920] >> intelligence officers of course of
[00:16:36.240] course but um they're not trying to
[00:16:39.600] please the public all the time. They're
[00:16:41.279] not trying to to try to find compromises
[00:16:44.959] between very two very diverse uh large
[00:16:48.079] groups of folks and trying to make as
[00:16:50.560] many people happy as they can.
[00:16:52.720] >> So you're conveying to him there are
[00:16:54.320] people who know about this stuff that
[00:16:56.320] have not told you because you're a
[00:16:58.720] temporary occupant of the White House. I
[00:17:00.240] don't think you want to say it that way,
[00:17:01.279] but
[00:17:02.000] >> Well, as is true.
[00:17:03.680] >> Do you have a sense that he'd ever been
[00:17:05.280] briefed? We've read conflicting reports
[00:17:07.199] that there have been briefings for him
[00:17:09.039] on this topic. You can't quote what he
[00:17:11.839] told you, but did you get a sense that
[00:17:13.360] he'd ever been told about the goods?
[00:17:16.160] >> I can't comment really on body language
[00:17:18.880] or comments that he said or anything
[00:17:21.120] like that because it's I I don't want to
[00:17:23.919] do that to him,
[00:17:24.720] >> right?
[00:17:25.120] >> I don't want to I don't want to reveal
[00:17:27.199] anything. It's not my business. I was
[00:17:30.080] just a messenger. I was just kind of a a
[00:17:33.039] person that's uh trying to give him
[00:17:35.200] information on a number of different
[00:17:36.480] topics. All of them were important. and
[00:17:39.600] um that's it and have my 75 minutes and
[00:17:44.080] I'm done.
[00:17:45.120] >> Would you guess based on what you know
[00:17:46.960] about the topic and how it's been
[00:17:48.160] handled over the decades, would you
[00:17:49.919] guess that he had been briefed or that
[00:17:52.400] any other president's been briefed? You
[00:17:54.160] know that Bill Clinton was not even
[00:17:56.320] though he expressed an interest in it.
[00:17:58.160] So at some point the president has to be
[00:18:00.480] told no, we can't tell you.
[00:18:03.280] >> I think Bush senior knew quite a bit
[00:18:05.200] because he was ahead of the CIA. I think
[00:18:08.080] uh Nixon did. Um I think Eisenhower did.
[00:18:12.160] Um
[00:18:13.862] [clears throat] so it's it's kind of hit
[00:18:16.000] and miss over historic over the period
[00:18:18.080] of history as to who has and who hasn't.
[00:18:20.640] >> Can you tell us what would be in the
[00:18:22.720] briefing document that you left behind?
[00:18:24.640] Was it cases? Here's a wave of UFOs.
[00:18:27.840] Here's a case. Here was a crash.
[00:18:29.440] Anything like that? Yeah, I yeah, I I uh
[00:18:32.160] related [clears throat]
[00:18:32.880] uh conversations I have had with General
[00:18:35.200] Deer Brower who was the chief of the air
[00:18:37.600] force for Belgium and there was a very
[00:18:39.840] interesting flap that was about 18
[00:18:42.160] months long with triangle triangular
[00:18:44.480] craft and uh he was in command of all
[00:18:47.440] the air force and he really chased the
[00:18:49.840] heck out of these and and he told me he
[00:18:51.520] said Bob you you just I'm just burning
[00:18:54.240] fuel and and it makes no sense. I he
[00:18:56.640] said I we're going to stop because we're
[00:18:58.640] not getting anywhere. All we're doing is
[00:19:00.720] getting closer, you know, photographs
[00:19:02.720] and things, but we're not getting
[00:19:03.919] anywhere. We don't we're not we're not
[00:19:06.160] getting [clears throat] any information
[00:19:07.440] that is really valuable for us to
[00:19:09.200] understand anything, you know. And I
[00:19:11.600] gave him other examples of where large
[00:19:14.880] amounts of witnesses were involved and
[00:19:17.360] so that he could read about these
[00:19:19.200] particular incidences. Um
[00:19:22.559] and and and of course the one with five
[00:19:24.720] Simington is in 97 was so interesting
[00:19:27.440] because there you had a governor who was
[00:19:30.559] an actual witness and he made a joke of
[00:19:33.120] it on and brought an a guy in an alien
[00:19:35.520] suit on stage because he was scared to
[00:19:38.240] death.
[00:19:38.799] >> It's the Phoenix Lights case.
[00:19:39.919] >> The Phoenix lights which weren't just
[00:19:41.280] lights. It was actually friaking craft
[00:19:43.360] and it came from northern Arizona. I
[00:19:46.480] think it started actually in southern
[00:19:48.400] Nevada is where the craft began and uh
[00:19:52.320] in the Henderson area I think somewhere
[00:19:54.080] in there. And so you see this huge
[00:19:56.960] triangular craft, gigantic craft going
[00:19:59.440] slowly and uh he was scared to death but
[00:20:02.799] finally fast forward 10 years later and
[00:20:05.039] he confesses that he was an eyewitness
[00:20:07.120] but he didn't know what to do. So he was
[00:20:09.919] there at a point in time when the
[00:20:12.160] dynamic of disclosure could have been
[00:20:14.640] forced and and actually u confirmation
[00:20:17.600] could have been from a governor of the
[00:20:19.200] state like that. He was a credible guy.
[00:20:21.200] So we've had many incidences like that
[00:20:22.960] where they in the early 50s flying over
[00:20:25.039] the white house in the capital building.
[00:20:26.799] We've had so many of those. So I in my
[00:20:29.120] report I included a lot of very dramatic
[00:20:32.480] um beyond a reasonable doubt kind of of
[00:20:35.280] uh witnesses of of exhibitions. Did you
[00:20:38.880] share with him anything about your
[00:20:41.360] knowledge of a classified program? Uh
[00:20:44.159] you you got a top secret security
[00:20:46.000] clearance, right?
[00:20:46.880] >> Yeah.
[00:20:47.679] >> It was for the OAP program for BAS,
[00:20:50.000] >> right?
[00:20:50.880] >> Operated under the DIA.
[00:20:52.640] >> Yeah.
[00:20:53.280] >> You learned a lot during that program.
[00:20:55.200] It's the largest accumulation of UFO
[00:20:57.600] info of any government funded UFO
[00:21:00.159] program ever.
[00:21:01.120] >> Yeah.
[00:21:01.919] >> You didn't tell him about it.
[00:21:04.080] >> It [clears throat and snorts] wasn't
[00:21:04.640] credible enough, I felt, for him. um uh
[00:21:08.720] it's just something pertaining to me and
[00:21:11.440] uh whereas these other examples are
[00:21:14.960] historic and they're in a lot of
[00:21:17.360] literature. They're very famous. The
[00:21:19.520] witnesses, the amount of witnesses were
[00:21:21.600] huge. Uh we operated under um
[00:21:26.640] a private situation with the skinwalker
[00:21:29.360] ranch and um he wouldn't relate to well
[00:21:34.159] we all had hitchhikers. We all took
[00:21:36.080] things home with us, you know, we all
[00:21:38.000] saw a lot of stuff. Uh whether it was at
[00:21:40.240] the ranch or where we lived and it
[00:21:42.640] didn't make it make any difference where
[00:21:44.240] in the United States we lived. Uh we we
[00:21:46.960] we saw a lot of things and but that
[00:21:50.480] wouldn't be relevant for him to be able
[00:21:52.240] to relate to that. Right.
[00:21:53.679] >> Well, so why talk about it?
[00:21:55.360] >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you're kind of
[00:21:56.880] jumping into the deep end of the pool
[00:21:58.559] when you get into Hitchhikers and
[00:22:00.000] Skinwalker. maybe for your first big
[00:22:02.000] conversation on this topic that might
[00:22:04.080] not be the place to go.
[00:22:05.200] >> No, you know, and I I didn't I couldn't
[00:22:07.679] even if he said, "Well, I need a beer."
[00:22:09.120] I I couldn't [laughter] even give him a
[00:22:10.799] something to drink, you know, maybe
[00:22:12.000] stronger than that. So, I didn't want to
[00:22:14.559] do any, you know,
[00:22:15.520] >> um you you did you use the term
[00:22:18.000] non-human intelligence in the sentence
[00:22:19.919] you gave him, hey, try this in the as
[00:22:22.640] you're climbing aboard Air Force One,
[00:22:24.559] say that to media and then, you know,
[00:22:26.559] close the door.
[00:22:27.760] >> You said non-human intelligence, not ET.
[00:22:30.000] Are they the same? And and and did you
[00:22:31.919] share anything with him about what you
[00:22:34.159] think it is?
[00:22:35.760] >> Well, there have been reports of humans
[00:22:38.485] [clears throat] on board,
[00:22:40.559] right? But the non-human are more
[00:22:43.360] interesting. I mean, if a human's on
[00:22:45.919] board and he or she has free reign of
[00:22:48.000] the craft, that's pretty damn
[00:22:49.679] interesting, right? But and you don't
[00:22:51.520] know where those people are when they're
[00:22:53.760] not on board. So, but the other ones uh
[00:22:57.520] are some are scary. you know some u it's
[00:23:01.919] not surprising that in the universe
[00:23:04.720] everything is going to look like us
[00:23:06.240] every every intelligent organism is
[00:23:08.880] going to look like us. Um, but you have
[00:23:12.159] to have it. It's also a matter of
[00:23:15.280] respect for any really intelligent
[00:23:19.360] animal or or
[00:23:21.520] in in creature whatever it is, right?
[00:23:24.799] And the more advanced the more respect
[00:23:27.679] because you don't know what they know
[00:23:29.520] and you don't you don't know the future
[00:23:31.120] and they may know they may know more
[00:23:34.080] than just the now. If you were to have a
[00:23:36.159] second conversation with them, would you
[00:23:38.480] explain that ET is one idea, but it's
[00:23:40.720] not necessarily the only option for a
[00:23:42.880] non-human intelligence that's out there?
[00:23:45.951] [clears throat]
[00:23:46.000] >> You have to tell me first how much time
[00:23:47.679] do I have with a second conversation?
[00:23:49.679] >> Let's get let's make it an hour. You
[00:23:51.840] have an hour with the president. What
[00:23:53.360] would you tell them about who they are,
[00:23:55.600] who they might be?
[00:23:58.880] Um so [clears throat] I would try to get
[00:24:01.919] into the complexity um of the
[00:24:05.360] relationship that once you've had
[00:24:07.280] confirmation you know you've given that
[00:24:10.240] that text of that little sentence I I
[00:24:14.000] wrote and quoted there and you start to
[00:24:16.159] go down the path of disclosure where
[00:24:18.720] it's more than than just flares uh flur
[00:24:22.480] videos uh and um you're not seeing other
[00:24:27.679] things are much more crystal clear and
[00:24:30.080] you know in video um uh or legitimate
[00:24:34.720] people in places that you recognize
[00:24:38.400] these people and they're around
[00:24:41.360] something or with something or somebody
[00:24:44.640] that's a holy cow that's wow you know
[00:24:47.679] that's a very dramatic kind of
[00:24:48.960] disclosure about something landing on
[00:24:50.960] the lawn somewhere you know um so I
[00:24:55.520] think the the what I would have spent
[00:24:57.440] time doing is talking about how do you
[00:25:00.320] establish with you've been in 80 years
[00:25:02.799] of denial
[00:25:04.720] as a nation
[00:25:07.200] in the world. Uh we have countries who
[00:25:10.400] are very upfront and others that are
[00:25:12.880] also in denial.
[00:25:14.799] Now you want to pivot 180 degrees.
[00:25:19.360] How do you start that relationship?
[00:25:23.679] How do you do that? And it's not as
[00:25:26.400] though that we've ever been in control.
[00:25:28.080] We haven't been in control of anything
[00:25:29.760] ever for the for this 80 years of modern
[00:25:32.400] history. Nothing. We have no ability to
[00:25:35.919] control anything.
[00:25:37.039] >> That's a tough thing to tell the
[00:25:38.320] president, right? I would think that
[00:25:39.919] would be a tough thing for a president
[00:25:41.360] to accept.
[00:25:42.320] >> Well, you're giving me an hour to talk
[00:25:43.760] to him.
[00:25:45.520] >> So, I'm using my hour. So, yeah. So, uh
[00:25:49.520] that's what I I would that's the really
[00:25:51.520] intriguing thing is how do you do that?
[00:25:54.240] Where do you start and into a
[00:25:56.480] relationship? And and and and I would
[00:25:59.520] say more like well I would want to start
[00:26:02.960] with the biggest question I would ask I
[00:26:06.240] would say what I want to get from them
[00:26:09.360] is my first question is
[00:26:12.720] what are the chances we are going to
[00:26:14.400] survive ourselves
[00:26:18.000] that we are not going to annihilate
[00:26:19.840] ourselves
[00:26:21.520] because they've already are familiar
[00:26:22.880] with a whole lot of other species on a
[00:26:24.640] lot of other worlds other planets
[00:26:27.360] So chances are they have a pretty good
[00:26:31.279] idea percentage.
[00:26:33.760] And it's not that we're a spiritual
[00:26:36.240] species.
[00:26:38.880] You talk to people that have near-death
[00:26:40.559] experiences, they're changed for the
[00:26:42.720] rest of their life. They become a
[00:26:44.080] spiritual person of a caliber that
[00:26:47.919] they've never been.
[00:26:50.480] Well, we're a long way as an average
[00:26:53.440] from that category, from that level.
[00:26:56.240] There are monsters among us as human
[00:26:59.840] beings and they're angelic people among
[00:27:02.559] us.
[00:27:04.240] So, we're we are a danger to another
[00:27:08.320] species. We're potentially the Klingons.
[00:27:10.799] We have a technological maturity that is
[00:27:13.588] [clears throat] is not just going on a
[00:27:15.840] line, but it's vertical and it's
[00:27:17.520] segmented because it's jumping and and
[00:27:20.320] it and meanwhile our spiritual maturity
[00:27:22.640] just bumps along the bottom, you know.
[00:27:24.799] So, we look at the 20th century, 60
[00:27:27.520] million people were killed. Are we ever
[00:27:29.840] going to get beyond that? So, the thing
[00:27:33.039] of it is we don't we know so little
[00:27:36.000] about how to do a how to have a
[00:27:38.000] relationship. Um, I'm not in any
[00:27:40.480] position to really advise except for the
[00:27:43.039] few ideas I have as to where to start.
[00:27:46.720] And the how is really super important.
[00:27:50.159] It's not going to be like a close
[00:27:51.360] encounter of the third kind which was
[00:27:53.360] really cool movie. Um, and it's not
[00:27:57.120] going to be because of STEI, you know,
[00:27:58.640] it's going to be by some other kinds of
[00:28:00.880] means that you're you're embarking on.
[00:28:04.000] And um, I'm interested in that kind of
[00:28:06.799] research. We go back to your meeting
[00:28:08.640] with the president. You walk into the
[00:28:10.000] Oval Office. They clear off the resolute
[00:28:13.120] desk. You spread out your seven piles of
[00:28:15.760] stuff and you start making a
[00:28:18.000] presentation about each one in
[00:28:19.520] particular about ET, non-human
[00:28:21.200] intelligence. You can't say what he said
[00:28:24.480] to you.
[00:28:26.320] Can you say whether he asked questions?
[00:28:29.919] Was he curious?
[00:28:31.360] >> He was he was distracted by other
[00:28:33.840] things. So, he also asked me, he did ask
[00:28:37.679] questions, but he asked questions about
[00:28:39.919] other stuff that wasn't necessarily just
[00:28:43.760] on what I was talking about. He's
[00:28:45.360] getting your input on other things going
[00:28:46.880] on in the world.
[00:28:47.760] >> Yeah.
[00:28:49.520] >> Yeah.
[00:28:50.159] >> If you had to make a guess, would you
[00:28:52.000] would you guess that you got through to
[00:28:53.440] him on this issue? I mean, he hasn't
[00:28:55.679] stood in the in the doorway of Air Force
[00:28:58.240] One and made those remarks yet, but you
[00:29:00.080] he has taken some pretty dramatic steps
[00:29:03.279] uh on this topic since you met with him.
[00:29:05.919] Do you think you made a dent? Don't
[00:29:08.320] know. I advised him on something
[00:29:12.159] that I can measure and he hasn't taken
[00:29:15.039] my advice so far on what I suggested to
[00:29:19.520] him on a totally different unrelated
[00:29:21.760] subject but so far uh he has not taken
[00:29:26.240] my advice. Well, somebody seems to have
[00:29:28.640] got through to him because he's been
[00:29:30.320] taking steps that we're seeing real
[00:29:32.240] results. I mean people are are uh either
[00:29:35.360] >> well I'm talking about an unrelated
[00:29:36.960] subject all together right? So, so yes,
[00:29:40.480] there there are a couple of different
[00:29:42.240] task forces um that are that are
[00:29:45.840] involved. Um so there there is a there
[00:29:50.320] is an initiation of
[00:29:53.440] an activity in in this subject. It
[00:29:56.240] remains to be seen though that he gives
[00:29:58.720] actual presidential confirmation. I
[00:30:01.200] don't I haven't maybe you're more aware
[00:30:03.279] than I am. Has that been has he
[00:30:05.200] [clears throat] done that?
[00:30:06.480] >> Not not really. nothing like what I'd
[00:30:08.640] call confirmation, but that's really
[00:30:10.000] what you're talking about. I I remember
[00:30:11.600] us having a conversation 2008
[00:30:14.559] uh when right after you had signed the
[00:30:16.720] contract with DIA for BAS to run this
[00:30:19.279] program and you made the case then that
[00:30:21.600] what we need is not disclosure. It's
[00:30:23.679] confirmation.
[00:30:24.480] >> Yeah.
[00:30:24.960] >> For somebody like the president, I'm not
[00:30:26.799] sure if it could be anyone less than the
[00:30:28.480] president that steps forward and says
[00:30:30.240] this and it carries the same kind of
[00:30:32.080] weight.
[00:30:32.640] >> It's a it's a big appetizer. you know,
[00:30:34.480] you're you're looking for the entree and
[00:30:36.320] and where's the dessert in this whole
[00:30:38.080] buffet, but the but the uh confirmation
[00:30:41.840] is a huge appetizer to start with. And
[00:30:44.960] that's why that's why I started with
[00:30:47.120] that in my conversation with him is
[00:30:50.159] pushing him to try and do make a
[00:30:51.840] confirmation. And maybe he wants to get
[00:30:55.039] personally more comfortable. [snorts]
[00:30:57.200] Um, and uh, you know, he will go down in
[00:31:02.720] history for a lot of things for better
[00:31:04.880] or worse that people are on both sides
[00:31:06.799] of the fence about him and so forth.
[00:31:09.840] But,
[00:31:10.701] >> [clears throat]
[00:31:10.880] >> um, he's involved in so many different
[00:31:13.440] things and has been that [clears throat]
[00:31:16.159] I don't know what his legacy is going to
[00:31:17.919] be. I really don't. He has an
[00:31:19.600] opportunity to in this serious subject
[00:31:23.360] to to build a legacy using this as part
[00:31:27.360] of the blocks, part of the the the brick
[00:31:29.840] and the structure of of a the the
[00:31:33.120] content of a structure that um is very
[00:31:36.399] unique. So you can have all the
[00:31:38.720] political programs that you want and and
[00:31:41.120] and so forth and nobody is going to
[00:31:42.960] really remember those. As time goes by,
[00:31:45.440] as the decades fade away, nobody can
[00:31:48.320] remember Benghazi and Afghanistan and
[00:31:51.279] Iraq, different kinds of things. And
[00:31:52.880] that's just recent history, you know,
[00:31:55.039] it's the world goes so fast. But the
[00:31:59.600] president that took on the challenge of
[00:32:02.399] disclosure and of confirmation and
[00:32:05.519] actually built a satisfactory conclusion
[00:32:08.399] of a relationship between human beings
[00:32:11.760] and that subject
[00:32:13.840] is going to go down in history as having
[00:32:15.679] really accomplished something.
[00:32:18.240] And if it's handled right, it can be
[00:32:20.799] done successfully.
[00:32:22.320] >> A lot of presidents have made comments
[00:32:24.320] often after they're out of office on
[00:32:26.320] this topic. Yeah, gosh, I'm real
[00:32:28.159] interested in that. Or wouldn't that be
[00:32:29.840] something or I think aliens could exist?
[00:32:31.760] Something like that. But nothing like
[00:32:33.360] what you're talking about, which amounts
[00:32:35.039] to confirmation saying it's real.
[00:32:38.000] They're here. We got to figure it out
[00:32:40.240] and stopping it there. Not disclosing.
[00:32:42.559] >> Well, the the dialogue, the ability to
[00:32:44.399] to learn something from them is huge.
[00:32:47.840] Um, what can we what can we do for you?
[00:32:50.960] I mean that that's that's where one of
[00:32:53.120] the first things I would I would ask is
[00:32:55.919] not just are we going to survive
[00:32:57.279] ourselves. Yeah, that's pretty damn
[00:32:58.880] important. That's like probably number
[00:33:00.399] one, you know, but closer behind that is
[00:33:04.320] okay, we've been aware of you for a long
[00:33:06.240] time and the government's never admitted
[00:33:08.720] it, but us as a public, we know it. And
[00:33:13.039] we're really curious. Is there anything
[00:33:15.760] that we can do for you? Not just what
[00:33:18.320] can you do for I loved what John Kennedy
[00:33:20.559] always what he said famously don't ask
[00:33:23.120] what the country can do for you ask what
[00:33:25.519] you can do for your country. That was
[00:33:27.840] that's huge. So that's giving them a a
[00:33:31.360] kind of a respect that they deserve.
[00:33:33.919] >> If you were president would you announce
[00:33:35.840] that yes we've got crash retrievalss.
[00:33:38.000] Yes we have reverse engineering
[00:33:39.600] programs. And yes we've got bodies.
[00:33:41.360] >> Yeah. Because the rest of the world
[00:33:43.120] already knows that. The people that
[00:33:44.559] count in Russia and China already know
[00:33:47.279] >> because they've got their own.
[00:33:48.320] >> Oh yeah. Freaking yes. Yeah. They've had
[00:33:51.600] their missiles shut down. They've had
[00:33:52.960] their missiles activated, you know,
[00:33:55.120] depending on which country you're
[00:33:56.320] talking about.
[00:33:56.960] >> Have you considered the political
[00:33:58.480] fallout for a president? Let's say it's
[00:34:00.640] Trump because he he might be the guy
[00:34:02.880] that would do it and and just cast his
[00:34:05.360] fate to the winds. But he makes an
[00:34:07.039] announcement. Yeah, they're here. Yeah,
[00:34:09.280] we've got programs. Yeah, we've got
[00:34:10.879] crashes. We've got bodies. That's as far
[00:34:12.960] as I'm I'm able to go right now. What
[00:34:15.040] happens to him politically? Is he able
[00:34:17.040] to get anything else?
[00:34:18.079] >> That's more than I would have said,
[00:34:19.520] right? For him to say,
[00:34:20.639] >> right?
[00:34:21.040] >> What you just said.
[00:34:22.399] >> I would advise him to say initially what
[00:34:24.560] you just said.
[00:34:25.200] >> You just say non-human intelligence been
[00:34:27.200] here a long time and yeah, that one
[00:34:29.359] sentence is a starter because it's a
[00:34:31.679] huge cannon. You've opened up Pandora's
[00:34:34.960] box in terms of oh my gosh, what's going
[00:34:37.679] to happen? What's going to So, okay. So
[00:34:40.399] now you you can you can you can
[00:34:42.720] categorize and segment into topics and
[00:34:46.240] you need time to do that and it needs to
[00:34:48.000] be digestible and it needs to be not
[00:34:50.639] packaged in a scary kind of way. It's
[00:34:53.119] and and it can't be packaged in a way
[00:34:55.200] that you're divulging what you shouldn't
[00:34:56.639] be divulging. You know other countries
[00:34:59.119] aren't. So there's there's reasons to
[00:35:01.680] have national secrets. There really are.
[00:35:04.480] I mean that's kind of like common sense,
[00:35:06.000] right? We don't want the Russians and
[00:35:07.920] Chinese and maybe other adversaries to
[00:35:10.000] know how far along we are or are not on
[00:35:12.720] figuring this out.
[00:35:13.280] >> Absolutely. Okay. Abs especially of
[00:35:15.680] that. I think that the relationship
[00:35:19.280] thing is a mankind relationship. It's
[00:35:22.480] not just for America. when you're
[00:35:24.880] embarking as a president on trying to
[00:35:28.960] initiate
[00:35:31.280] u a
[00:35:35.280] a solemn relationship
[00:35:38.800] you're not doing for US ofA only.
[00:35:43.040] And so the and then we probably can do a
[00:35:45.920] show on communication, but the it's
[00:35:49.280] really complex because who
[00:35:52.640] are you going to have initiated?
[00:35:55.359] Are you going to have politicians
[00:35:56.960] initiate?
[00:35:58.720] Are you going to have military people?
[00:36:01.119] Because everybody has kind of their own
[00:36:02.880] mindset. Um are you going to have bunch
[00:36:05.040] of lawyers initiated? Um are you going
[00:36:08.320] to have scientists only initiate it? So
[00:36:11.349] [clears throat]
[00:36:13.280] it's and and how do you know to whom
[00:36:16.079] you're talking? You know, how do you
[00:36:19.200] know you can trust what they're saying?
[00:36:21.040] Because it depends on the form of init
[00:36:23.119] of communication.
[00:36:25.440] And what are you asking for in the way
[00:36:27.280] of proof or demonstrations to establish
[00:36:30.079] trust both ways in the communication
[00:36:34.320] process?
[00:36:35.839] Cuz we haven't had that happen before.
[00:36:39.200] It is totally new ground and frankly we
[00:36:43.200] need the others help. We need the help
[00:36:45.920] of the others to help to to guide us.
[00:36:51.359] You and others have made attempts to
[00:36:53.680] find the programs, find the legacy
[00:36:56.240] programs, find the goods. You you had
[00:36:58.160] some success in that that we will
[00:36:59.680] discuss in in a in a pre in a upcoming
[00:37:02.960] conversation. Uh but the doors in
[00:37:05.680] general, the doors get slammed in your
[00:37:07.200] face. Jay Stratton who became head of
[00:37:09.520] the UAP task force after OAP after that
[00:37:12.800] ATIP thing. He made a point to go try to
[00:37:15.920] find it and he appointed this guy David
[00:37:17.680] Grush who had these highle security
[00:37:19.359] clearances. Grush says he found it.
[00:37:21.680] There are people like Grush
[00:37:23.680] whistleblowers people who worked in
[00:37:26.160] programs or for contractors who want to
[00:37:29.040] tell what they know but are afraid
[00:37:30.960] they'd be prosecuted.
[00:37:32.880] Do you what advice would you give the
[00:37:34.800] president about how to handle those
[00:37:36.560] folks? There have been attempts to give
[00:37:39.119] them legal clearance to go ahead and
[00:37:40.720] come forward. They're not buying it so
[00:37:42.880] far. Would you give them sort of a a
[00:37:45.119] pass, the authorization to tell what
[00:37:48.240] they know? And would you do the same
[00:37:50.240] thing to corporate interests who've been
[00:37:52.800] hiding this stuff at the request of the
[00:37:55.280] US government?
[00:37:56.720] >> So, it's a it's a function of it's a
[00:37:59.680] matter of [snorts] faith.
[00:38:02.800] uh mostly uh on the other side. That's
[00:38:06.640] difficult for them.
[00:38:09.119] Um because the history says differently
[00:38:13.760] going back 80 years from the initial
[00:38:16.320] threats of people that were at crash
[00:38:19.200] retrieval sites that weren't supposed to
[00:38:20.800] be there and the threats that was made
[00:38:23.680] by the military going way back.
[00:38:26.400] >> If you talk about it, we'll kill you.
[00:38:28.240] >> Yeah. I'm not talking about just Men in
[00:38:29.680] Black or anything like that, you know.
[00:38:31.839] Um, so it gets down to a matter of
[00:38:34.720] trust.
[00:38:37.359] So again, you should I mean, preemptive
[00:38:40.079] pardons,
[00:38:42.320] that's that's a start, but that's um
[00:38:46.320] and you you need to have a people that
[00:38:48.000] are really experienced in task force
[00:38:50.400] that know about the subject. You don't
[00:38:53.440] want people that are having to go to
[00:38:56.640] class and they have had no class
[00:38:59.839] instructions and they can be bright
[00:39:01.359] people but you need really to have
[00:39:03.359] people who are bright about the subject
[00:39:05.760] and who have had contact in different
[00:39:08.000] kinds of ways and so and there there are
[00:39:11.680] a lot of excellent people out there. who
[00:39:14.000] you who you have on on our side as as
[00:39:17.359] communicators really matters and what
[00:39:20.320] their backgrounds are and what their
[00:39:22.320] attitudes are especially. You're talking
[00:39:24.480] about us communicating with them, the
[00:39:26.640] others.
[00:39:27.280] >> Yes.
[00:39:28.000] >> And you think that the expertise in
[00:39:30.320] doing something like that is in the
[00:39:31.920] hands of a very small group of people in
[00:39:34.160] the corporate world, contractors who've
[00:39:37.280] been carrying the ball for the US
[00:39:39.119] government for the past 80 years.
[00:39:41.920] I think I think the I think the
[00:39:43.839] gatekeepers are [clears throat] uh yes,
[00:39:46.400] they should definitely have a role in in
[00:39:48.880] terms of communication. Absolutely.
[00:39:51.040] >> Well, let's talk about the gatekeepers
[00:39:52.320] because that's part of your
[00:39:53.359] recommendation to the president is
[00:39:56.320] give them a free pass on on clear them
[00:40:00.079] from legal liability for whatever has
[00:40:02.000] happened. Give them a pardon
[00:40:04.240] >> ahead of time,
[00:40:05.200] >> right? and and and and take the pressure
[00:40:07.760] off of them so that they can convey
[00:40:09.920] information that's been kept secret.
[00:40:11.520] >> Yeah. Because it all started with the
[00:40:13.040] government.
[00:40:14.880] That's where this all began. Maybe the
[00:40:17.599] private corporations have had
[00:40:19.280] participated perhaps in a in a retrieval
[00:40:22.880] or two. But basically, [clears throat]
[00:40:25.440] it's our own government that has
[00:40:27.760] sanctioned this in the private sector
[00:40:30.079] with all these these companies. So uh
[00:40:33.119] not all I mean with a few these few
[00:40:34.800] companies it's not like
[00:40:37.599] shame on the corporate world
[00:40:40.240] uh because [clears throat] there always
[00:40:42.880] has been a partnership they're complicit
[00:40:44.880] the United States government is
[00:40:46.240] absolutely totally complicit and any
[00:40:48.480] kind of process of back engineering or
[00:40:50.480] anything to do with ETSs any kind of of
[00:40:53.920] contact in one way or another with ETSs
[00:40:57.760] absolutely complicit.
[00:41:00.079] And so uh nobody can be a hypocrite on
[00:41:03.520] on this on this level, you know. So so
[00:41:06.319] yeah, the gatekeepers are extremely
[00:41:08.319] valuable. They absolutely need to be
[00:41:10.079] included in any communication process.
[00:41:12.480] So you would say for sure you know that
[00:41:15.920] the government, our government, military
[00:41:18.400] intelligence agencies have recovered
[00:41:20.400] crash discs or materials or me
[00:41:24.160] mechanisms, machinery,
[00:41:26.960] advanced machinery from somewhere else.
[00:41:29.200] and that we've handed that over to
[00:41:31.119] contractors to figure it out.
[00:41:33.119] >> Yes. Yes. For sure.
[00:41:35.200] >> Yes. Yes. I I am I am sure.
[00:41:38.560] >> And and you're right. Your argument
[00:41:40.000] would be those are the guys who've been
[00:41:41.359] the gatekeepers and the secret keepers
[00:41:43.520] for the last 80 years because we asked
[00:41:46.160] them to do that.
[00:41:47.119] >> Yes. Yeah. and and and and it's it has
[00:41:51.680] behooved the companies
[00:41:54.400] to to make progress and and you
[00:41:57.849] [clears throat] could say well
[00:42:00.640] if the companies uh if it's revealed uh
[00:42:03.359] what companies
[00:42:05.359] have access [snorts] to hardware
[00:42:08.880] what's going to happen to the image of
[00:42:10.960] those companies or the stock value of
[00:42:12.960] those companies
[00:42:16.000] I would be interested in buying more
[00:42:19.280] because if they have been that far
[00:42:22.160] advanced
[00:42:23.920] and their there whatever their value is
[00:42:25.920] isn't even based on this whole secret
[00:42:28.560] area of technology and they already have
[00:42:32.000] made progress. You think they have made
[00:42:33.920] progress? I'm just saying if, okay, if
[00:42:35.839] they've already made progress and if
[00:42:38.800] you're concerned that they're going to
[00:42:40.960] be somehow adversely affected by the
[00:42:43.440] stock market on what their company is
[00:42:45.280] worth, I would go buy stock cuz I think
[00:42:48.800] the opposite is going to happen. I think
[00:42:51.839] this becomes a country, a company of
[00:42:54.160] real interest in terms of wow uh they
[00:42:59.200] have a future that no other companies
[00:43:01.119] have. We are not exactly sure what that
[00:43:03.760] future is in these technologies, but now
[00:43:06.720] we we know a whole lot more than we ever
[00:43:08.960] did before. And they, you know, so now
[00:43:13.040] these companies are more free to put
[00:43:14.960] more scientists at the front lines in
[00:43:17.760] these companies to reinvigorate the
[00:43:21.280] staff that they currently have and more
[00:43:24.160] capital, more money. And so you think,
[00:43:27.599] okay, more can happen more quickly. What
[00:43:30.000] you don't want is to see
[00:43:33.520] things weaponized because that's what
[00:43:35.680] that's that's what human beings are good
[00:43:38.000] at is we weaponizing every freaking
[00:43:40.880] thing they can get their hands on. So
[00:43:42.880] that's what men do. Would would these
[00:43:45.359] contractors have some sort of legal
[00:43:46.960] liability? Let's say there's disclosure.
[00:43:49.359] You've been hiding this stuff all this
[00:43:50.800] time. There be some people that want to
[00:43:52.480] go after them, right?
[00:43:55.359] >> How dare you hide this? Lie to us for
[00:43:57.280] all these years. Try to give people
[00:43:58.720] credit for if they can think if they can
[00:44:02.400] have time to think things through. If
[00:44:06.079] they can have information, and this is a
[00:44:08.000] big if, if they can start to acquire
[00:44:10.240] information they can trust, and you
[00:44:12.720] don't have a cacophony of a hundred
[00:44:15.119] different sources bombarding you, and
[00:44:18.319] it's a junk pile, and you're having to
[00:44:20.880] determine what's where are the jewels in
[00:44:24.800] this junk pile of information. And
[00:44:28.000] that's not easy to to determine right
[00:44:30.400] off unless you already have a background
[00:44:32.640] in stuff that's in the junk pile, you
[00:44:35.119] know, and so you can recognize it. You
[00:44:37.440] and I can recognize things that somebody
[00:44:39.440] else wouldn't recognize because we
[00:44:41.280] already know background. We can relate
[00:44:43.280] it to a lot of other sources of
[00:44:45.119] information we have. So it all
[00:44:46.960] triangulates to aha this is real. This
[00:44:49.440] is a fact. Okay.
[00:44:51.839] >> I don't know if you know the specific
[00:44:53.599] answers to this, but let's just do it as
[00:44:55.200] a hypothetical. Company X gets the
[00:44:58.319] materials from two crashes. Maybe
[00:45:00.079] there's bodies in there. They get it
[00:45:01.920] from the US government. Would they be
[00:45:04.160] required to keep it quiet? Is that part
[00:45:06.319] of the condition? And would they have
[00:45:08.160] signed an agreement? They've had the
[00:45:09.920] stuff for 80 years. Maybe they've made
[00:45:12.079] progress in understanding it. Maybe
[00:45:14.079] they've made machines or or weapons or
[00:45:17.520] uh flying machines based on what they've
[00:45:19.920] learned. Is that theirs? Um could we go
[00:45:23.920] after it? Would would the public want to
[00:45:25.680] go after it? Would anybody in government
[00:45:28.400] uh dispute the ownership of it? And and
[00:45:32.400] what is the agreement that they make? Is
[00:45:34.000] that in a contract or is it a um a a
[00:45:36.960] handshake? And they've they keep this
[00:45:38.960] secret because we asked them to keep it
[00:45:40.480] a secret.
[00:45:41.440] >> So there's two areas of seriousness in
[00:45:44.400] what you just said. One is craft and one
[00:45:46.319] is bodies or living beings.
[00:45:51.031] [clears throat]
[00:45:51.680] The craft and the craft
[00:45:55.520] um
[00:45:57.200] is fair game in terms of
[00:46:02.640] not concerning not to be so concerned
[00:46:05.680] are we stepping on somebody's toes the
[00:46:08.480] others toes if they have toes.
[00:46:11.991] [laughter] Okay.
[00:46:15.200] The bodies are also
[00:46:18.880] higher level but probably fair game as
[00:46:22.560] well.
[00:46:24.000] because
[00:46:26.160] they're maybe the they're antimomorphic
[00:46:29.359] u robotic type of
[00:46:32.960] beings or they're all bi biological
[00:46:37.520] um
[00:46:37.839] >> biological robots and something like
[00:46:39.920] that.
[00:46:40.319] >> But but with what respect have they been
[00:46:42.800] treated or you know is it like autopsies
[00:46:47.200] have been done or has it just been
[00:46:48.960] necropsies like you would do on a on a
[00:46:50.880] cow? uh with what respect have they been
[00:46:54.000] been treated? Were they ever given a
[00:46:56.880] burial ceremony or whatever? Living ones
[00:47:00.240] is a whole different level. That's where
[00:47:04.000] you don't want to make that decision
[00:47:05.359] alone.
[00:47:06.000] >> Your guess would be we've had living
[00:47:07.920] ones, right?
[00:47:08.960] >> Yeah, that's my guess. And I think that
[00:47:11.839] you we I think that's a whole different
[00:47:14.480] level of respect and interaction. You
[00:47:18.240] would argue to the president in future
[00:47:20.480] conversations, any gatekeeper, company X
[00:47:23.760] has been holding on to this stuff.
[00:47:25.119] They've been trying to figure it out
[00:47:26.319] because we asked them to do that.
[00:47:27.839] They've been keeping it secret because
[00:47:29.280] we asked them to do it.
[00:47:30.480] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:47:31.359] >> Give them blanket uh immunity. Give them
[00:47:34.160] a pardon in advance for whatever
[00:47:37.119] somebody might take offense to that
[00:47:38.960] they've done. They've never received
[00:47:41.119] anything uh as an award, as a
[00:47:44.000] recognition,
[00:47:45.680] been able to share their work with
[00:47:47.520] anybody.
[00:47:49.040] And yet, and so what is it that we're
[00:47:51.200] trying to blame them for? What exactly
[00:47:53.760] is it we're trying to blame them for?
[00:47:56.640] Not [clears throat] being for here, they
[00:47:57.920] they've they've sworn oaths to be
[00:48:00.960] secretive and and they know why. And
[00:48:04.400] anybody who knew about what their work
[00:48:06.960] was going to be would know why. and they
[00:48:08.640] would say, "Yeah, that's totally
[00:48:09.680] logical." Um, and but what is it you're
[00:48:13.359] trying to what is it they're trying to
[00:48:15.920] nail? What cross is it that you're
[00:48:18.319] nailing them to? You guys lied to us and
[00:48:20.640] kept a secret.
[00:48:23.200] Is that really all there is?
[00:48:26.480] Is that worth nailing somebody to a
[00:48:29.200] cross?
[00:48:32.800] Are there good reasons for not telling
[00:48:34.640] the truth? Well, of course there are.
[00:48:39.040] How many times have you not told the
[00:48:41.359] truth to your spouse or to my spouse or
[00:48:44.480] to your friends or whatever? Of course
[00:48:46.319] there are.
[00:48:48.079] And some things are far more serious
[00:48:49.760] than others.
[00:48:51.520] And so, and some are national security.
[00:48:54.720] So, yeah, you have to say you're trying
[00:48:58.240] to persecute and prosecute these people
[00:49:01.440] for what legitimate reason? the entire
[00:49:04.720] United States government has been
[00:49:06.800] complicit.
[00:49:08.319] You're gonna you're going to prosecute
[00:49:09.760] this case before a bench trial or jury
[00:49:11.680] trial and I'm going to be the defense
[00:49:14.000] attorney
[00:49:15.599] for the gatekeepers and I'm going to
[00:49:17.920] say, "Wait a minute.
[00:49:20.319] You're trying to argue
[00:49:22.480] to the court that these people have
[00:49:25.200] acted entirely on their own when I can
[00:49:27.359] prove to you through witnesses
[00:49:30.079] and I can prosecute through witnesses to
[00:49:32.000] convict on capital punishment, but I so
[00:49:35.599] I can win. If I have witnesses that say
[00:49:38.640] I I have all kinds of government
[00:49:40.559] testimony from other people that are
[00:49:42.640] complicit with the corporations,
[00:49:45.599] where do you want this this
[00:49:48.160] cross nailing to stop?
[00:49:50.319] because it's going to go right into the
[00:49:51.760] government area into all secret
[00:49:53.760] agencies. We have 17 secret intelligence
[00:49:56.800] agencies. Not obviously all of them are
[00:49:58.960] involved in this subject by any means,
[00:50:01.200] but several are. Where are you going to
[00:50:03.200] stop? So, it's not just these people
[00:50:04.960] working for these private corporations,
[00:50:07.839] right? So, what are they to blame for?
[00:50:12.319] What is it? Why are you trying to kill
[00:50:14.160] them? Why are you trying to prosecute
[00:50:15.839] them?
[00:50:17.599] Instead, look how valuable these people
[00:50:20.240] are there. What they know is
[00:50:23.040] irreplaceable. You can't you can't there
[00:50:25.599] is no college, university or any place
[00:50:27.599] on the planet that is going to be able
[00:50:29.599] to teach you anything about what these
[00:50:31.440] people already know. They're they are
[00:50:34.559] your biggest asset walking around
[00:50:36.640] >> and the number is pretty small.
[00:50:38.160] >> Going to your restaurants,
[00:50:40.800] you know, going to your theaters and the
[00:50:43.359] number is very small. How is it passed
[00:50:46.800] on? I wonder if with the given the level
[00:50:49.040] of secrecy, let's say within company X,
[00:50:52.640] some guy's been there for 60 years, he's
[00:50:54.720] got to go, does he pass it on to someone
[00:50:57.200] else, a younger person, or how's that
[00:50:59.520] information conveyed? [clears throat]
[00:51:00.960] I'm asking this because you've you've
[00:51:03.200] personally interacted with some of these
[00:51:04.800] people, am I right?
[00:51:06.240] >> Well, I think it's again, it gets back
[00:51:07.839] to a matter of trust. It gets back to
[00:51:09.599] people you've known for a long time.
[00:51:11.920] That counts for something. um you've
[00:51:14.640] known for for a long time. Perhaps
[00:51:16.559] they're not all 20somes, you know, and
[00:51:20.400] maybe it's a growth function that they
[00:51:22.640] start out in certain departments for a
[00:51:24.800] long time, work their way up to
[00:51:26.880] different departments that are more
[00:51:28.319] sophisticated in sensitivity, not more
[00:51:31.119] sophisticated in the physics
[00:51:32.880] necessarily. All that's true probably,
[00:51:35.280] but in the sensitivity of where certain
[00:51:39.359] things start to connect all together to
[00:51:42.720] make something function um and and maybe
[00:51:47.280] you know maybe it's consciousness
[00:51:49.040] related uh as to how things are in
[00:51:55.599] initiated. Do you know if we've made any
[00:51:58.319] progress if company X Y or Z has
[00:52:00.880] actually made progress in trying to
[00:52:02.640] figure out how these things fly or
[00:52:04.400] operate? Do you know?
[00:52:05.920] >> I don't know.
[00:52:07.680] >> You know, the argument has been made
[00:52:09.520] this year. Okay, if you've got to keep
[00:52:12.160] the technology secret, that makes sense.
[00:52:14.000] We don't want to tell our adversaries
[00:52:15.440] where we are on whether we can duplicate
[00:52:17.520] it or not. What about the bodies? Why
[00:52:20.000] not let that out? Why not say we have
[00:52:22.160] bodies that are not humans?
[00:52:26.319] Well, I think that's all part of the
[00:52:27.599] disclosure process, right?
[00:52:29.440] >> You know, um we know from Russia,
[00:52:34.000] um
[00:52:35.680] let's talk about Okay. cousin
[00:52:38.446] [clears throat] to what you're you just
[00:52:40.000] asked me. So, so we can we can uh talk
[00:52:43.440] about the Russian uh retrieval
[00:52:47.440] case um in 88 or ' 89.
[00:52:51.760] >> Kazakhstan.
[00:52:52.720] >> Yeah.
[00:52:54.000] And from that five-digit military unit
[00:52:57.680] 730 what? But you blank your blank.
[00:53:01.040] That was the main unit that went that
[00:53:03.280] was their job
[00:53:05.119] to an un unknown city that they took
[00:53:09.040] everything to and [clears throat] on
[00:53:12.319] they found a device on board that was
[00:53:17.040] able to be engineered into a very
[00:53:20.079] powerful laser
[00:53:22.240] because that's what we do. We weaponize
[00:53:24.000] every thing, you know, instead of saying
[00:53:27.040] how can we make create more food or
[00:53:31.200] whatever like living good did with the
[00:53:32.960] microwaves on on crops and seeds that
[00:53:35.520] grew much better.
[00:53:37.200] >> So
[00:53:38.707] [clears throat] um
[00:53:41.760] so you know purportedly
[00:53:44.960] the device was extremely powerful,
[00:53:48.079] extremely powerful.
[00:53:51.040] Somebody got hurt or killed. Maybe
[00:53:54.800] the intel source was highly reliable.
[00:54:00.240] You were part of thread 3.
[00:54:04.079] You managed to get out of there with
[00:54:06.079] documents
[00:54:07.680] that we helped translate.
[00:54:09.760] >> Yep.
[00:54:10.240] >> Yeah.
[00:54:11.760] Um,
[00:54:13.280] so you know about what I'm talking
[00:54:14.720] about.
[00:54:15.359] >> Yep.
[00:54:16.640] And um
[00:54:19.599] so
[00:54:21.282] [clears throat] have we had opportunity
[00:54:23.280] more than likely sure to do the same
[00:54:25.359] kind of thing. So when you sit here and
[00:54:27.839] say well I don't know about anything
[00:54:30.160] that we probably been successful on. I
[00:54:32.559] would say well what are the odds that we
[00:54:35.520] haven't been? Sure, we have been if
[00:54:37.359] because what are the odds if if Russia
[00:54:39.599] was able to to achieve something like
[00:54:42.800] that? Um [clears throat] why can't why
[00:54:46.160] can't Lockheed or you know these I'm not
[00:54:48.240] going to name names but these other
[00:54:49.520] companies do the same thing. So uh
[00:54:52.880] they're very people are working on it
[00:54:54.800] are not dummies. So I you know you and I
[00:54:57.839] can sit here and say well probably
[00:55:02.000] uh back to the Trump meeting. All right.
[00:55:04.559] You're there almost an hour and a half.
[00:55:06.800] You you have the seven reports, stacks
[00:55:09.119] of reports on the Resolute desk. Did
[00:55:11.440] they take them off the desk when you
[00:55:12.880] left or did they leave them there?
[00:55:14.319] >> Well, actually, I [clears throat] was I
[00:55:16.559] was a little concerned about what's
[00:55:17.760] going to happen to him. So, as the
[00:55:20.000] meeting draws to a close and everything
[00:55:22.240] and uh the president and I are are
[00:55:25.440] saying goodbyes and and he's got other
[00:55:28.079] things he's got to go to and he said he
[00:55:29.920] was late as it was to go into another
[00:55:32.240] important meeting and um so
[00:55:36.608] [clears throat] u so William starts to
[00:55:39.119] gather everything up on his desk and
[00:55:41.680] quickly President Trump says no leave
[00:55:44.319] everything there. I thought, "Thank you,
[00:55:47.119] God. Thank you. That's a good sign."
[00:55:49.280] >> I didn't want them to go into a closet
[00:55:51.200] somewhere and they're never seen again
[00:55:53.680] >> because we've all watched the movie of
[00:55:56.000] Raiders of the Lost Arc where it goes
[00:55:58.160] into the Smithsonian, right?
[00:56:01.280] >> And and so you you say, "Oh, what what's
[00:56:04.240] been hidden away that would if only
[00:56:06.480] people had been able to see something."
[00:56:08.480] >> So at least uh they were they were left
[00:56:10.880] there on his desk. So, I don't know what
[00:56:12.400] happened to him after that and I was
[00:56:14.480] just glad that they were left alone.
[00:56:15.760] >> Well, we know 2 months later he started
[00:56:17.520] releasing UFO information. He issued a
[00:56:19.440] directive. So, I'd like to believe that
[00:56:21.040] you at least had a hand in it. I hope
[00:56:22.960] you planted the seed and then it goes
[00:56:25.040] further.
[00:56:26.079] >> It'd be nice if something productive
[00:56:28.000] came of it.
[00:56:28.640] >> And I hope the door is open where you
[00:56:30.160] you get invited to speak more with them
[00:56:32.000] because you can get into some details.
[00:56:33.920] There was another meeting you had in
[00:56:35.520] Washington that made news. I think it's
[00:56:38.240] during the same trip with RFK Jr. Yeah.
[00:56:41.200] >> And there's a lot of speculation about
[00:56:42.559] what happened there. And I think people
[00:56:44.000] have tried to spin it in a way that
[00:56:45.599] embarrasses him. Can you tell the story
[00:56:47.760] about that encounter?
[00:56:48.960] >> Well, one of my previous meetings with
[00:56:50.799] the president while [clears throat] he
[00:56:52.960] was running for reelection and then
[00:56:54.559] after he won re-election
[00:56:57.440] was on a topic that he really liked the
[00:57:00.240] solution to and that [clears throat] was
[00:57:02.559] um uh homeless treatment centers. And it
[00:57:06.720] was a it was a very respectful way to
[00:57:09.200] handle a serious problem. And it
[00:57:12.240] involved um coagulating a a a group of
[00:57:16.319] villages into a large complex. And um so
[00:57:20.480] because the homeless population is
[00:57:24.000] uh all different shades of gray from
[00:57:26.880] people that are ready, willing, and able
[00:57:29.040] to work to those that are crazy and
[00:57:31.920] dangerous. Um,
[00:57:34.960] and so the facilities were were a little
[00:57:39.040] complex and a lot of them haven't had a
[00:57:41.599] bath forever or seen a dentist or a
[00:57:44.079] doctor in 10 years or 15 years or change
[00:57:46.480] of clothes or you know it it's it's bad.
[00:57:50.319] So he really liked the solution the
[00:57:52.319] paper that I put together on that. And
[00:57:54.480] so I was given an appointment to to see
[00:57:57.680] uh Robert Kennedy because uh uh it was
[00:58:00.799] his department his you know to this
[00:58:03.200] would fall under. Well I later learned
[00:58:07.040] that [clears throat] I had to it was
[00:58:09.520] going to have to be combined with
[00:58:11.119] another agency from a construction
[00:58:13.359] standpoint because he didn't have the
[00:58:16.240] budgets and the ability to actually
[00:58:18.319] build structures. So it had to be two
[00:58:21.200] two different agencies combined. But we
[00:58:23.520] sit all down. We sit down and there's
[00:58:25.040] about 12 of us on a large table, you
[00:58:28.240] know, and he and I are sitting right
[00:58:30.000] here together. And I'm ready to start
[00:58:32.079] talking about homeless treatment centers
[00:58:34.240] and what we can do here to really change
[00:58:36.480] things around.
[00:58:39.040] So, he starts right off the bat saying,
[00:58:40.559] "Okay, I want to know what all this guns
[00:58:42.960] and attacks are all about with aliens
[00:58:45.520] and and all these the these uh who's
[00:58:47.839] gotten killed and this and that kind of
[00:58:49.359] thing." And so, uh,
[00:58:52.799] >> he's talking about the alleged gun
[00:58:54.319] battle at Skinwalker Ranch.
[00:58:55.760] >> I don't know which one he's talking
[00:58:57.280] about, but um, he's he's he's So, I I'm
[00:59:02.319] taken completely off guard. This wasn't
[00:59:04.720] what I expected. I'm I'm there for a
[00:59:07.119] whole different reason.
[00:59:08.000] >> Is this a whole big group of people?
[00:59:09.599] >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And he's announcing
[00:59:11.760] this.
[00:59:12.160] >> He's letting it all hang out in front of
[00:59:13.520] everybody. And And so, I'm saying, well,
[00:59:16.240] I So, I said, well, I don't know
[00:59:18.319] anything about those. I don't have any
[00:59:20.559] firsthand information at all, you know,
[00:59:22.400] and and uh I wouldn't think like uh I
[00:59:25.440] would take it that serious. It
[00:59:27.200] >> sounds like he's read about the
[00:59:29.680] scuttlebutt that is untrue that there
[00:59:32.319] was a shootout on Skinwalker Ranch
[00:59:34.480] between your security guys and aliens
[00:59:36.559] and aliens got killed.
[00:59:38.160] >> Nothing like that ever happened.
[00:59:39.760] >> Right.
[00:59:40.240] >> Um [clears throat] we had um
[00:59:44.400] one thing happened to one of our
[00:59:45.920] security guards.
[00:59:48.640] um
[00:59:50.480] where
[00:59:53.200] he was sleeping.
[00:59:56.559] He
[00:59:58.160] was
[01:00:00.319] uh forced to sit up in bed. He couldn't
[01:00:05.119] move. He was paralyzed. He could move
[01:00:08.000] his eyes.
[01:00:10.079] There was a being of some kind.
[01:00:12.880] This was in the double wide trailer.
[01:00:15.680] Um there was a being of some kind doing
[01:00:18.240] this to him
[01:00:22.000] and
[01:00:23.520] he and it stopped right before he
[01:00:25.760] started to black out or be choked to
[01:00:29.040] death.
[01:00:30.559] That concerned me a lot and that was
[01:00:34.079] just prior that that concerned me a lot.
[01:00:37.119] So, but we had another security officer
[01:00:42.799] that had a very similar episode happen
[01:00:46.640] from a hitchhiker
[01:00:48.640] here in Las Vegas in his apartment.
[01:00:52.000] >> Followed him home.
[01:00:52.960] >> Yeah. And it happened twice to him and
[01:00:56.000] it was the same kind of thing only he
[01:00:59.040] was able in the first case the fellow
[01:01:02.559] was being smothered like he being
[01:01:04.400] smothered to death if it hadn't stopped.
[01:01:07.920] In the second case, um
[01:01:12.079] um our our fellow had had in one of one
[01:01:15.200] of the two experiences he had, he was
[01:01:16.960] able to uh see
[01:01:20.160] what his attacker looked like.
[01:01:24.079] It was
[01:01:25.920] a woman that wasn't touching him. She
[01:01:29.359] was at the foot of his bed. She was
[01:01:32.000] blonde, short-haired, blue eyes, wore
[01:01:35.520] clothing that looked like it was in
[01:01:37.119] style 100 or 150 years ago, and she had
[01:01:40.000] a very mean look on her face.
[01:01:43.680] And I'm not making any of this up.
[01:01:45.920] >> Well, I think I dated this woman, so go
[01:01:47.680] ahead.
[01:01:49.962] [laughter]
[01:01:51.119] That's I like that. That's funny.
[01:01:52.582] [clears throat]
[01:01:53.237] [snorts] Um,
[01:01:56.079] so
[01:01:57.040] >> they were serious. These are serious
[01:01:58.480] things that happened. This was a human
[01:02:00.240] spirit. This is not an ET
[01:02:04.240] because remember we we were talking
[01:02:06.640] before about we we live in a
[01:02:08.880] three-dimensional world but there's a
[01:02:10.880] sister dimension that completely
[01:02:13.040] coexists with us
[01:02:16.400] um with physicality
[01:02:19.520] and it's it's the other it's a spirit
[01:02:22.079] world and that's what she was. It wasn't
[01:02:25.760] an ET. Well, you and I are going to have
[01:02:27.920] conversations about the spirit world,
[01:02:29.839] about consciousness, about the other
[01:02:31.599] side, and communicating with them, and
[01:02:33.680] then communication with what we'd call
[01:02:35.760] ETSs.
[01:02:36.640] >> But wait a minute, you about to let me
[01:02:38.720] hang here. Your audience is wanting
[01:02:41.520] wanting to to know what happened.
[01:02:43.920] >> Okay.
[01:02:44.400] >> She's about to die.
[01:02:45.440] >> Okay. All right.
[01:02:46.319] >> He's about to die,
[01:02:47.440] >> right? Okay.
[01:02:49.119] >> He sees her turn her head
[01:02:52.480] and she's turning her head like she's
[01:02:54.160] paying attention to something here.
[01:02:57.599] And immediately everything starts to be
[01:03:00.240] released from him.
[01:03:02.559] He can start to relax and he falls back
[01:03:05.599] to bed cuz I think he was also he was
[01:03:08.319] forced to sit up as well as the first
[01:03:10.160] guy was. And the first guy uh was being
[01:03:13.680] smothered and by something dark and
[01:03:17.839] black and another episode involved a
[01:03:22.079] pillow type of smothering. This third
[01:03:24.799] episode involved this being and she
[01:03:28.720] stopped because she was being told to
[01:03:31.119] stop
[01:03:31.760] >> by something else.
[01:03:33.039] >> Something else told her to stop and she
[01:03:34.799] stopped and he lived.
[01:03:37.520] >> Well, we definitely want to have a
[01:03:38.799] conversation about the ranch, things
[01:03:41.039] that happened there. There was no gun
[01:03:42.640] battle with aliens, but there were some
[01:03:44.319] encounters that were perilous both for
[01:03:47.520] your employees, for intelligence guys
[01:03:50.079] who visited the property as part of the
[01:03:51.920] OSAP Bass investigation and then
[01:03:55.119] communication with others that that you
[01:03:58.480] and your organizations have accompanied
[01:04:01.039] have accomplished or
[01:04:02.799] >> Skinwalker involves another third dimen
[01:04:05.359] another uh dimension
[01:04:07.839] where [clears throat] beyond our third
[01:04:09.119] dimensional existence.
[01:04:11.760] Um,
[01:04:13.440] and it's very peculiar.
[01:04:15.839] And the people, the government people
[01:04:18.400] that were on the skinwalker, all of them
[01:04:20.240] were affected.
[01:04:21.920] All all of them were. Um, Jay, uh,
[01:04:25.920] especially his family,
[01:04:28.720] um, Jessica,
[01:04:30.880] uh, she was
[01:04:32.880] she I think, uh, I don't know if she was
[01:04:35.760] CIA or not. um
[01:04:38.720] >> in different areas of the of the
[01:04:40.480] government, you know, different areas of
[01:04:42.240] military, naval intelligence or marines
[01:04:44.640] and and CIA, different different ones.
[01:04:48.319] Um
[01:04:49.839] but it all had to be taken very ser this
[01:04:52.000] wasn't any game.
[01:04:54.160] We I felt as though I was just a
[01:04:56.079] custodian
[01:04:58.880] and taking [clears throat] care of the
[01:05:01.280] location and of the entire property and
[01:05:05.154] [clears throat] to do our our science
[01:05:07.359] with all of our our science people and
[01:05:10.799] trying to keep outsiders away. And uh
[01:05:13.920] then I became aware that this was much
[01:05:16.640] more of a dangerous place and I I had no
[01:05:19.280] ability to control anything.
[01:05:23.359] It it's interesting to me that you have
[01:05:25.359] one meeting with RFK Jr. and he
[01:05:29.119] obviously was aware of it and this is
[01:05:31.359] his chance. He doesn't care who else is
[01:05:33.520] around. You're the guy and he doesn't
[01:05:36.640] mind yelling it out. Hey, what about
[01:05:39.760] >> XYZ? He's a ballsy guy, I guess. You
[01:05:41.920] know, he he uh he he says what's on his
[01:05:44.799] mind, you know. So, you got to
[01:05:46.420] [clears throat] have you got to have to
[01:05:47.359] you have to like somebody that that is
[01:05:49.599] frank and not a bullshitter and that
[01:05:51.920] says what's on his mind.
[01:05:53.440] >> Well, you did that with Donald Trump.
[01:05:55.520] You did it with the president of the
[01:05:56.720] United States. And you were not a
[01:05:58.079] bullshitter and you told him your
[01:06:00.799] thoughts on a number of issues, but in
[01:06:03.039] particular,
[01:06:03.599] >> I've told him previously to his face,
[01:06:05.839] you're you're so bombastic.
[01:06:08.400] And you [clears throat] know what his
[01:06:09.920] reaction was?
[01:06:11.839] You're right. You're right. I am. he
[01:06:14.799] admits it and sometimes he says things
[01:06:18.319] before [clears throat] he kind of
[01:06:19.440] realizes it's out there and sometimes I
[01:06:22.000] think um if he paused a little bit he
[01:06:26.559] might change the vernacular of what he
[01:06:28.240] said you know
[01:06:29.119] >> well I think you're not giving yourself
[01:06:30.559] enough credit um given the timing of
[01:06:33.039] when you had that meeting with him and
[01:06:34.480] then what happened within a couple of
[01:06:36.000] months I think you planted some seeds
[01:06:38.559] and hopefully you know that door will be
[01:06:40.640] open again where you can give him more
[01:06:41.920] of a briefing or at least you
[01:06:44.799] inform his staff of where else they need
[01:06:46.720] to go to get them up to speed and get
[01:06:48.319] themselves up to speed.
[01:06:49.359] >> I would welcome that, George. I I would
[01:06:51.760] welcome that and and I wouldn't hesitate
[01:06:53.760] to to do that.
[01:06:55.200] >> Do you have a sense of the people around
[01:06:56.720] him whether they have an interest level
[01:06:58.480] or a knowledge base of these topics?
[01:07:01.746] [clears throat and cough]
[01:07:02.960] >> I think yeah, Marco Rubio certainly
[01:07:05.119] does, right?
[01:07:06.000] >> But I [clears throat] think the and I
[01:07:08.000] think one of his sons also does. Um but
[01:07:11.680] um that's that's the problem I think and
[01:07:14.319] that you know I think that's the worst
[01:07:15.599] job there is being president of the
[01:07:17.440] United States. Oh my god. And it's it's
[01:07:20.640] it's terrible job. But I think um and
[01:07:24.240] that that is the problem is is
[01:07:27.440] the sources. There's so many people
[01:07:29.760] trying to get your attention and trying
[01:07:31.760] to they want this, they want that, they
[01:07:33.760] want the other thing from you. So you're
[01:07:36.000] constantly being asked for this and this
[01:07:37.760] and that and that and the other thing.
[01:07:39.920] you know, and [clears throat] then
[01:07:40.640] there's all kinds of there's the media,
[01:07:42.319] there's all kinds of things against you.
[01:07:44.400] It's the it's the worst job. It's
[01:07:46.720] terrible.
[01:07:48.160] >> Do you intend to release the report or
[01:07:50.559] any of the materials that you gave?
[01:07:51.920] >> I can't I can't I can't
[01:07:56.559] Oh, well,
[01:07:57.280] >> the pandemic center, which was another
[01:07:59.119] one, I actually gave that to to Senator
[01:08:01.680] Reid to show Obama back in 2012.
[01:08:06.880] And um he did, but we were in a hell of
[01:08:11.839] a storm, a financial storm at that time.
[01:08:14.400] You know, the bottom of the recession,
[01:08:15.839] the great recession, and
[01:08:17.679] >> everything was going to hell.
[01:08:18.880] >> Well, I have a copy of that report and
[01:08:21.199] we should have a conversation about it
[01:08:23.199] on this format this
[01:08:24.480] >> Well, yeah, I resurrected that for
[01:08:26.560] President Trump's sake because that idea
[01:08:29.120] of having that pandemic center is so
[01:08:31.759] valuable. It shouldn't go away. Well, I
[01:08:33.600] think we should talk about all the ideas
[01:08:35.120] that you gave to him at some point, just
[01:08:36.719] not today. But it's been a good start
[01:08:38.400] here. Talk about your conversation with
[01:08:40.400] the president about the possibility of
[01:08:42.400] disclosure, at least confirmation, where
[01:08:44.799] it should start at least. And I hope he
[01:08:46.960] took your advice. Anyway,
[01:08:48.239] >> the pandemic center is a fun thing to
[01:08:49.920] talk about.
[01:08:50.560] >> That's next. Well, next is
[01:08:52.159] communication, but pandemic center down
[01:08:54.159] the road.
[01:08:54.799] >> Okay. All right.
[01:08:55.679] >> All right. 10 for it.
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