Dean Alioto on The Experiencers: Full Disclosure — That UFO Podcast (2026)

Source: YouTube, That UFO Podcast — "UFO Abductions: The Elephant In The Room? | Dean Alioto." Published: 2026-06-05 (1:05:17). URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLJR4-S_mJY Guest: Dean Alioto, filmmaker — director of the new documentary The Experiencers: Full Disclosure, and of the cult found-footage films The McPherson Tape (1989) and Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County (1998). Transcription: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps (machine ASR; minor errors, incl. "McFersonson"=McPherson, "Thuru"=Theroux, "Santelli"=Santilli, "Kuth"=Knuth). Captured: 2026-06-07. Analysis: ../../sources/alioto-experiencers-documentary.

Topics: the McPherson-Tape-mistaken-for-real history and Alioto debunking his own film; Alien Autopsy (Santilli) hoax economics; the new experiencer documentary; Betty & Barney Hill, Travis Walton, Terry Lovelace, the Berkshire case, hybrid/"disappearing pregnancy" claims; Michael Masters' future-human hypothesis; burden of proof; and the imminent Spielberg "Disclosure Day" film.

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[00:00:00.080] And so this guy pipes in and he says,
[00:00:02.639] "Four months ago, my kids jumped on my
[00:00:05.279] bed in the morning and presented me with
[00:00:08.720] a drawing."
[00:00:10.960] And in the drawing, it was these two
[00:00:16.160] little creatures,
[00:00:18.000] stick figures, but had big heads, big
[00:00:20.080] eyes. And he said, "What is this?" And
[00:00:23.920] one of his daughters said, "Oh, these
[00:00:26.720] are the little skeleton people that come
[00:00:29.119] and visit us sometimes at night.
[00:00:39.040] Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO
[00:00:41.920] podcast. Delighted to welcome back a
[00:00:43.760] returning guest today to discuss his new
[00:00:46.160] documentary, The Experiencers, Full
[00:00:48.800] Disclosure, and of course, uh, creator
[00:00:51.120] of one of my favorite ever movies, The
[00:00:53.199] McFersonen Tapes. Dean Aloto. Dean,
[00:00:55.760] welcome back.
[00:00:57.199] >> Thank you, Andrew. Nice to be back.
[00:00:59.440] >> Good to have you on. And for those of
[00:01:00.960] you on YouTube or any of the video
[00:01:02.800] platforms, you will see Dean is sporting
[00:01:04.879] a rather fetching Oasis hoodie. Um, so a
[00:01:07.760] man after my own heart immediately
[00:01:09.439] there, folks, and I'm sure for many of
[00:01:11.280] you, too. So Dean, um, great dress
[00:01:13.760] sense, uh, great documentary. I watched
[00:01:16.240] it again for, um, today and it's out now
[00:01:19.439] publicly. People can watch it and
[00:01:21.040] already I've had listeners get in touch
[00:01:22.720] today to say they've watched it, they've
[00:01:24.159] enjoyed it. Um, so it's getting some
[00:01:25.920] good very early reviews because it only
[00:01:27.600] just came out in the last what, 24
[00:01:29.600] hours?
[00:01:30.640] >> Yeah. Yeah. Came out uh, we we had our
[00:01:33.360] world premiere at Contact in the Desert
[00:01:34.880] and then literally I had to hight tail
[00:01:36.560] it back uh to uh, do the launch at
[00:01:39.520] midnight uh, June 2nd. So, it's pretty
[00:01:41.920] brand brand spanking new.
[00:01:43.840] >> So, tell us how did this whole
[00:01:45.200] documentary come about then? Cuz you're
[00:01:46.960] focusing in on a really divisive and
[00:01:50.000] controversial part of the whole UFO
[00:01:52.479] topic and conversation and we're going
[00:01:53.920] to get into so many things including
[00:01:56.159] where does it fit in the UFO
[00:01:57.600] conversation right now, but take us back
[00:01:59.200] to the beginning and the kind of embryo
[00:02:00.719] of this documentary.
[00:02:03.200] >> Sure. Um
[00:02:06.399] I would say um that uh it all started
[00:02:10.560] with uh the McFersonson tape. The
[00:02:13.599] McFersonson tape was you know my first
[00:02:15.280] film. Um and um it it was uh for those
[00:02:19.920] of you who may already know this so I'll
[00:02:21.520] try to truncate this. It be kind became
[00:02:23.840] kind of this um sensation if you will
[00:02:26.640] because it was believed to be real. It
[00:02:28.160] was the first found footage film 10
[00:02:29.760] years before Blair Witch. Uh the weird
[00:02:32.800] part was that I was told after three
[00:02:35.280] months of its release uh or before it
[00:02:37.920] was about to be released that the
[00:02:39.360] warehouse that had the VHS copies and
[00:02:41.680] everything burnt to the ground and that
[00:02:43.360] I had lost my master and all of my
[00:02:45.200] artwork and that was it. And then I got
[00:02:46.800] a call 5 years later from someone
[00:02:48.400] saying, "Hey, your movie was showed at
[00:02:50.720] the International UFO Congress
[00:02:51.920] convention, dude, and it's believed to
[00:02:53.680] be real." And a lieutenant colonel
[00:02:55.519] claimed it was authentic and there were
[00:02:56.879] no credits on it. And after I got done
[00:02:59.599] laughing, I said, "Well, you know, it's
[00:03:00.959] not real." And that wasn't the
[00:03:02.159] intention. I just read the book
[00:03:03.680] Communion. And it freaked me out so
[00:03:05.360] much, I thought, how do I portray that?
[00:03:07.040] And then came up with a with the idea of
[00:03:09.599] uh doing it as a home video. And um and
[00:03:12.480] so anyway, uh for the 25th anniversary,
[00:03:16.239] the same uh International UFO Congress
[00:03:18.959] convention reached out and said, "Hey,
[00:03:20.640] we'd like to, you know, do something on
[00:03:23.360] this for the anniversary." And at first
[00:03:24.879] I was nervous because I'm like I don't
[00:03:26.800] know the UFO community intimately and I
[00:03:30.080] and I don't know how they feel about
[00:03:31.840] this film. And he said, "Dude, no, they
[00:03:34.640] they dig it." And um and uh they've also
[00:03:38.319] got a sense of humor because I'm you
[00:03:40.000] know, you know me. I'm I don't take
[00:03:41.760] myself serious. I take my work serious,
[00:03:43.280] but I'm a card carrying smartass. So I
[00:03:46.640] went and gave this like 75minute TED
[00:03:48.480] talk. And while I was there, I met all
[00:03:50.720] these great minds like uh Dr. uh Michael
[00:03:54.720] uh Masters um and others in the UN UFO
[00:03:58.720] community as well. And then I went to a
[00:04:00.799] experiencer support group which blew my
[00:04:03.519] mind. And I I had all these preconceived
[00:04:07.120] ideas even though I've been kind of not
[00:04:08.799] an armchair expert my whole life, more
[00:04:10.799] of a proumer chair expert. And so I got
[00:04:14.879] to a place where I went, there is
[00:04:17.519] something here that I've not seen. And
[00:04:19.120] because I've done documentaries for TV
[00:04:20.880] and and um cable, etc., I thought it's
[00:04:25.040] time to do a really good documentary, a
[00:04:27.520] premium documentary, uh and because I do
[00:04:29.759] independent films, shoot it
[00:04:31.600] cinematically. And so it it feels like
[00:04:34.080] it's um it's something that is giving
[00:04:37.759] the genre some hopefully um a cinematic
[00:04:41.680] gravitas quality to it. And so I thought
[00:04:44.639] I would do this in a in a short order
[00:04:46.639] like within a year. And what started out
[00:04:48.800] as one documentary became four. I
[00:04:51.520] released the other two last year, the
[00:04:53.520] Alien Perspective and the Alien
[00:04:54.720] Perspective Part Two. This one was so in
[00:04:58.080] the rabbit hole with abductions that
[00:05:01.360] because I'm I'm making this I' I'm
[00:05:03.680] serving two masters. I'm serving the UFO
[00:05:05.759] community, which has seen everything.
[00:05:07.520] So, I've got to give them new stuff and
[00:05:09.039] mic drops. And then I am serving um the
[00:05:12.080] people who may be uh more critical that
[00:05:15.680] are by UFO curious. You know, they want
[00:05:18.240] to know what what is this um whole thing
[00:05:21.600] and what's it about? And I've got to
[00:05:23.039] present in a way that's um credible and
[00:05:25.919] grounded. And so, you know, I mean, we
[00:05:30.160] we're going to get into the hybrid
[00:05:31.600] program. No one really wants to talk
[00:05:33.360] about that. Well, I'm not going to do
[00:05:35.360] that in the first 10 minutes,
[00:05:38.400] >> you know, the documentary. we have to
[00:05:40.479] understand what we're dealing with and
[00:05:41.759] go into it, but we do. And so that was
[00:05:44.720] kind of new to to to dive into that in a
[00:05:47.759] in a in a credible science documentary.
[00:05:50.320] So that's kind of how the whole thing
[00:05:52.400] came about. And and um and it was really
[00:05:56.000] just kind of um letting it tell me where
[00:05:58.560] to go. You know, in many ways, not to be
[00:06:00.960] too crude, but in many ways, I feel like
[00:06:03.759] this project and some of the other docs
[00:06:06.639] uh kind of made me its [ __ ] It was
[00:06:09.600] like, "You're going to come with me.
[00:06:11.680] Just shut up. I'll get you through this,
[00:06:14.160] but we're going to go we're going to go
[00:06:15.840] in the rabbit hole." And um and so this
[00:06:18.720] is the result after eight years of
[00:06:20.880] working on this production-wise and and
[00:06:23.759] scouring for the best interviews and
[00:06:25.360] with new people as well as you know the
[00:06:28.240] classic cases which we're also going to
[00:06:29.919] cover, you know. So the goal was
[00:06:31.919] ultimately and then I'll shut up. The
[00:06:33.840] goal was to um do um you know I
[00:06:37.120] consulted on the phenomenon and for me
[00:06:38.800] what I loved about that film and what
[00:06:40.479] James did and it's and it's his doing
[00:06:43.919] all of it is that he made something
[00:06:46.639] that's like the encyclopedia
[00:06:48.560] of UFOs. You start there if anyone asks
[00:06:50.720] me hey what's going on with UFOs I go
[00:06:53.199] watch the phenomenon. That was our goal
[00:06:55.440] for this you know. So when it's like
[00:06:57.759] what's about the these abductions?
[00:06:59.199] What's going on with that? See the
[00:07:00.639] experiencers full disclosure start
[00:07:02.400] there.
[00:07:04.080] I'm going to before we get to the
[00:07:05.520] documentary, it's an interesting aspect
[00:07:08.000] of of the topic the '9s and what that
[00:07:11.039] was like for the UFO world. I I think
[00:07:14.319] the Matrix got it bang on that humanity
[00:07:16.319] and human society peaked in the late
[00:07:18.319] 1990s. I think the Matrix was correct on
[00:07:20.560] that because it was such a fun time. It
[00:07:23.039] was very much no limits.
[00:07:25.759] New technologies were becoming public.
[00:07:27.680] the internet had its kind of burgeoning
[00:07:29.599] age and you know AOL discs were being
[00:07:31.840] posted through your door and you knownet
[00:07:35.840] it's almost an an ideal cover story for
[00:07:38.240] anyone who wants to believe the
[00:07:40.319] McFersonen tape was a genuine UFO video
[00:07:44.880] and it just happened to be this director
[00:07:47.360] lost it in a fire and then it turned up
[00:07:49.759] five years later after it was shown at a
[00:07:51.759] conference. Do you still get folks
[00:07:53.919] believing that that was real even now?
[00:07:58.400] it's tapered off. Um I don't get as
[00:08:01.199] many. Occasionally there'll be comments
[00:08:02.960] on something that I'm posting and
[00:08:04.960] they'll say um this guy's taking credit
[00:08:08.000] for something. I still find great
[00:08:09.919] delight in that because it is a a um a
[00:08:12.639] compliment to the cast and crew that it
[00:08:14.720] it's you know believable. But I I didn't
[00:08:17.440] help matters for myself when I remade it
[00:08:20.240] for UPN
[00:08:22.319] uh you know TV alien abduction instant
[00:08:24.479] lake county that that kind of hit that
[00:08:27.919] would have been a year before blur witch
[00:08:30.000] as well that was 1998 and the internet
[00:08:33.039] was just coming in full force and so
[00:08:35.200] that's when all the online conspiracies
[00:08:37.200] started
[00:08:38.240] >> and uh you know like I was hired by the
[00:08:40.080] government to make the remake to throw
[00:08:42.640] people off the legitimacy of the first
[00:08:44.399] one
[00:08:45.040] >> you know So, it's, you know,
[00:08:48.720] it's a mixed bag because I had to go on
[00:08:50.480] national TV, right, in like 93, 94,
[00:08:53.600] something like that, and debunk my own
[00:08:55.680] movie
[00:08:57.040] >> and um and show behind the scenes
[00:08:59.200] pictures and stuff because, you know, I
[00:09:00.720] don't I'm not here to hoax people. I'm
[00:09:02.399] here to present visually what these
[00:09:05.279] people are going through as realistic as
[00:09:07.360] possible
[00:09:09.200] >> because it's what what's old is new
[00:09:10.800] again. And I don't know if you know
[00:09:12.000] this, but next week in the UK on I
[00:09:14.480] believe it's the 12th of June and Sky
[00:09:16.800] Documentaries is showing a three-part
[00:09:18.640] series on alien autopsy footage. So
[00:09:21.600] again, along from from the 1995, I
[00:09:24.640] believe the Ray Santelli um Sherfield
[00:09:27.120] stuff. It's Louis Thuru's documentary
[00:09:29.600] company that's making it. So it'll be
[00:09:31.120] really well produced, but they're going
[00:09:32.959] back into that in a deep dive. I've got
[00:09:34.640] the director for that on next week. I've
[00:09:36.480] not watched it yet. They've sent me it
[00:09:37.680] over. It's a three-part series, but it's
[00:09:39.839] just interesting that that's another
[00:09:41.440] thing that was brought out as real. I
[00:09:44.399] always remember seeing the VHS
[00:09:45.839] videotapes when I went to like HMV and
[00:09:48.080] Virgin places like that, Global Video,
[00:09:50.560] and then it was, "No, this is this is
[00:09:52.320] definitely fake. It's hoax. Here's how
[00:09:54.080] it was done." But there's still people
[00:09:56.320] now believe that was real, it was
[00:09:58.480] genuine, and everything to debunk it was
[00:10:00.240] a cover up still. So, it it's always
[00:10:02.480] going to happen.
[00:10:04.080] >> Yeah, it is. And um I remember um the
[00:10:07.680] producer of uh Alien Autopsy calling me
[00:10:11.839] because he had done the segment on
[00:10:14.640] Encounters. He produced a segment that I
[00:10:17.040] did where I um where I essentially came
[00:10:20.560] out of the closet and debunked my own
[00:10:22.240] film on the the Fox show called
[00:10:23.760] Encounters. And so he called me and he
[00:10:26.160] told me about this footage. I hadn't
[00:10:27.440] even seen a a frame of it. And he's
[00:10:29.760] telling me about and he's describing it
[00:10:30.959] to me. And I said this this I'm being
[00:10:33.200] honest. This is what I said. I said, "It
[00:10:34.320] sounds like [ __ ] to me, Bob." And he
[00:10:37.279] said,
[00:10:37.920] >> "Yeah, it probably is, but I'm going to
[00:10:39.760] make a crapload of money."
[00:10:43.279] And so, you know, he doesn't like me
[00:10:46.000] telling that story, but tough. That's
[00:10:48.640] kind of what happened. Not even kind of,
[00:10:50.560] that is exactly what happened. And um
[00:10:54.320] and um the irony is that Fox, you know,
[00:10:58.320] showed this movie. So, we had pitched
[00:11:01.040] UFO abduction
[00:11:03.200] uh or excuse me, alien abduction in Salt
[00:11:04.959] Lake County to Mike Darnell at he was
[00:11:08.720] the head of the the um the unscripted uh
[00:11:12.160] department, TV department at Fox. We had
[00:11:15.200] pitched him the remake and Mike said,
[00:11:19.360] "This is the type of project that people
[00:11:22.240] lose their careers over."
[00:11:24.720] And then so shortly thereafter
[00:11:27.440] he's you know doing um Alien Autopsy and
[00:11:30.800] no one lost their career over that. In
[00:11:32.480] fact the numbers were outstanding. The
[00:11:35.680] producer tried to get me to come with
[00:11:37.760] him to come back to do a sequel to Alien
[00:11:42.560] uh Autopsy and I can tell you it was
[00:11:45.680] going to be doing recreations of Roswell
[00:11:47.760] and I was really excited about that but
[00:11:50.079] then that just fell apart like a lot of
[00:11:52.240] things in this town.
[00:11:53.600] >> I love it. Alien Autopsy 2, Return of
[00:11:55.760] the Autopsy, something like that. Yeah.
[00:11:58.240] Yeah. Um, and what's it like then to
[00:12:00.880] bring you back to 2026 making UFO
[00:12:04.079] content in the '90s to what it's like
[00:12:06.959] now? Have you seen a real tone shift and
[00:12:09.200] sea shift and how the media, how
[00:12:12.480] Hollywood is taking this in? And
[00:12:14.399] obviously, we're going to get to we're
[00:12:16.000] we're days away from Steven Spielberg's
[00:12:17.920] Blockbuster hitting what looks like it
[00:12:19.680] will be a billion dollar franchise
[00:12:21.200] again. What's it like now making this
[00:12:23.839] content compared to what it was,
[00:12:27.360] >> you know? Um, someone had commented on
[00:12:30.160] the trailer that I had um on YouTube.
[00:12:33.040] You can go to captured pictures um which
[00:12:36.720] is my company and we we posted uh the
[00:12:38.959] trailer there and someone commented and
[00:12:40.560] said why are all these documentaries
[00:12:43.440] these disclosure documentaries coming
[00:12:45.040] out and movies? What's going on here?
[00:12:47.839] And I think it's kind of a situation
[00:12:50.160] where sometimes there's this insane
[00:12:52.639] synchronicity, um, where, you know,
[00:12:55.200] every car gets at the intersection at
[00:12:56.639] the same time. And so, um,
[00:13:01.040] I will say that I've seen Disclosure
[00:13:03.920] Day.
[00:13:05.519] Um, and, um,
[00:13:09.360] I'll tell you this. So, I'm at Contact
[00:13:12.000] in the Desert.
[00:13:13.200] >> Is this spoilerfree? Spoilerree. Yeah.
[00:13:15.200] Because people are going to panic. Yeah.
[00:13:16.480] spoiler-free. There we go, folks.
[00:13:18.079] >> Absolutely. Um,
[00:13:20.560] can I debunk something? And when I say
[00:13:24.240] debunk, I mean um I don't
[00:13:29.200] I don't like it when there's certain
[00:13:31.519] things out there that the conspiracies,
[00:13:33.600] you know, are going around there. It
[00:13:35.040] doesn't help us. And so, if there's
[00:13:37.920] something that's real, I am always going
[00:13:40.320] to be out there with it. Um and and if
[00:13:43.040] there's something that that is
[00:13:45.200] falsifying or hurting people, whatever,
[00:13:47.040] I think that needs to be addressed.
[00:13:48.720] >> So anyway,
[00:13:50.000] >> um so I am and I know there's been a
[00:13:52.560] whole bunch of conspiracies around this,
[00:13:54.880] including one
[00:13:56.160] >> by someone who runs a a streaming
[00:13:59.680] service that focuses on the metaphysical
[00:14:03.920] paranormal UFOs. I won't say what it is,
[00:14:06.480] but the guy
[00:14:07.120] >> rhymes with ha
[00:14:09.920] >> rhymes with ha.
[00:14:12.399] >> No comment. And um and so I'm talking to
[00:14:14.720] the guy who pretty much runs it and he's
[00:14:17.199] telling me he's confiding in me that uh
[00:14:20.639] that Spielberg was given a list of he
[00:14:24.079] was able to to to ask 20 questions. So
[00:14:27.760] we created a list of 20 questions and he
[00:14:30.160] went to someone who was super super
[00:14:31.760] highend embedded
[00:14:33.920] uh in in the government in the program
[00:14:36.800] the legacy legend whatever and
[00:14:39.839] supposedly Spielberg's questions were
[00:14:41.440] really terrific and this guy would only
[00:14:43.279] nod he wouldn't say yes or no
[00:14:45.920] >> and then this guy that I'm talking to
[00:14:48.480] who was at contact in the desert tells
[00:14:50.399] me that there were no less than two
[00:14:53.600] intelligent officers on the set the
[00:14:56.320] whole time that Spielberg we're shooting
[00:14:57.760] this movie. And then I've also heard
[00:14:59.839] from other people that have talked about
[00:15:01.360] how the government funds UFO movies with
[00:15:05.360] a certain agenda. Well, I've made three
[00:15:07.600] UFO movies, not including the
[00:15:08.959] documentaries. And um I've never once
[00:15:12.079] had anyone come up to me and offer me
[00:15:14.160] money to finance my films. It's very
[00:15:16.480] tough to get a film financed. So if the
[00:15:18.320] government would see
[00:15:20.000] >> Yeah. Oh, that's exactly what I would
[00:15:21.360] say. That's a very good point. Um, and
[00:15:24.720] uh, you know, would I do that? Yeah, I
[00:15:28.880] guess. Well, it depends what the budget
[00:15:30.320] is, man. If it's a Michael Bay budget, I
[00:15:32.480] make things lean and mean, so doesn't
[00:15:34.000] mean anything to me. But no, I um I I
[00:15:38.399] was told this and I kind of basically
[00:15:40.880] let him know in a real nice way. Stephen
[00:15:43.920] Spielberg is the most successful
[00:15:46.079] filmmaker on the face of the earth that
[00:15:48.800] probably ever will be. He's worth
[00:15:50.959] probably like three billion or
[00:15:52.320] something.
[00:15:53.279] >> Um, no one tells Stephen what to do.
[00:15:56.079] >> And the thing where I take Umbrage, um,
[00:15:59.040] even though people might be saying, "Oh,
[00:16:00.320] he doesn't know. He doesn't know." I
[00:16:01.600] don't know 100%. Let's just say this is
[00:16:03.279] me talking, right?
[00:16:05.360] It negates the creativity of Spielberg
[00:16:09.279] and David Ke, who also wrote Jurassic
[00:16:12.560] Park,
[00:16:13.519] >> to say that the government came in and
[00:16:15.440] told them what to write and what to do.
[00:16:18.320] >> Yeah. Yeah, no one tells Stephen what to
[00:16:20.320] write, what to do. He's got a very
[00:16:22.160] fertile imagination. Um, and so, uh,
[00:16:26.480] that did not happen. He doesn't have
[00:16:28.079] anyone on set who's who's, uh, advising
[00:16:30.560] him. I saw the movie. I can tell you by
[00:16:32.800] seeing the movie, from seeing the film
[00:16:34.079] that that it was that what this film
[00:16:35.519] does, and this is with spoil, not a
[00:16:37.120] spoiler, is it updates everyone who
[00:16:41.040] isn't embedded in the UFO community
[00:16:43.839] following the story, and it does it in a
[00:16:45.600] really fun way. I mean, yeah,
[00:16:47.440] >> it's a kick-ass fun ride. Um, there's a
[00:16:50.399] train scene that's unhinged that I will
[00:16:52.399] say is just worth it. Emily Blunt,
[00:16:54.880] phenomenal.
[00:16:56.240] >> Um, in my documentary and there was a
[00:16:58.560] little bit of flack during the um when
[00:17:00.800] the trailer was released of Disclosure
[00:17:03.279] Day because Emily Blunt is making this
[00:17:05.839] going
[00:17:07.360] this clicking sound, which by the way,
[00:17:09.439] she actually does herself. She didn't
[00:17:11.520] want AI doing it and they talked to her
[00:17:13.120] about it. She's like, "No, no, I want to
[00:17:14.240] do it myself." That sound is the same
[00:17:17.439] sound that an experiencer mentioned in
[00:17:20.240] my documentary and that uh scene we shot
[00:17:23.120] like four years ago or something. So
[00:17:25.039] this is legit. So there are some really
[00:17:26.799] great Easter eggs that are in that. Um
[00:17:29.840] as far as seeing, you know, footage
[00:17:31.200] that's actual UFO footage.
[00:17:33.280] >> Um if someone got in a time machine and
[00:17:36.880] they went back to 1947 before the
[00:17:39.280] anamorphic lens that Spielberg uses with
[00:17:41.840] lens flares
[00:17:42.880] >> Yeah. filmed uh Roswell, then you would
[00:17:45.600] you would have it. But it is a fun ride.
[00:17:49.360] Um it is Yeah, I I I'm I'm sure I'm
[00:17:53.280] going to see it again.
[00:17:54.880] >> Yeah, the conspiracy theories are going
[00:17:56.640] to run wild as soon as it comes out. And
[00:17:58.559] I think you're going to have all kind of
[00:17:59.760] chats online of Spielberg definitely
[00:18:02.400] knew this or he's put this in there to
[00:18:04.240] show us and it's I I get to see it. I've
[00:18:06.880] said to folks, Dean, I'm going to see it
[00:18:08.320] on Monday in London at the media
[00:18:10.240] premiere. So, the cast premiere is in
[00:18:12.080] London as we record this. Right now,
[00:18:13.760] they're in London watching it. Um,
[00:18:15.919] Spielberg and Emily Blunt and all that.
[00:18:17.919] It was in Paris in the last couple of
[00:18:19.360] days. So, I get to see it on Monday, so
[00:18:21.280] I'm getting to see it early. Um, and
[00:18:22.799] I'll have my review out of it on Tuesday
[00:18:24.640] and stuff. But, I think think people
[00:18:26.640] will go wild. And for me, what this will
[00:18:29.360] do in terms of any genuine progress for
[00:18:32.480] disclosure is like I think you've said
[00:18:34.799] there, bring the general public up to
[00:18:37.360] date with the UFO topic, that hasn't
[00:18:40.080] read the books, that's only watched
[00:18:42.000] 60-cond clips online, which isn't
[00:18:44.320] listening to the podcast, which isn't
[00:18:46.000] checking out documentaries. And maybe it
[00:18:48.640] gets people to go,
[00:18:49.919] >> hm,
[00:18:50.880] >> even if it's 5% of the people, the
[00:18:52.960] millions that will go and see this that
[00:18:54.880] start to go, actually, I'm I'm gonna go
[00:18:56.640] check out some documentaries on this.
[00:18:58.240] This is either something that used to
[00:19:00.000] interest me and I fell away from it, or
[00:19:01.679] they're maybe much younger and never
[00:19:03.600] quite ventured into the topic yet, or
[00:19:05.440] perhaps they're older and this is the
[00:19:06.880] first time that it's really catching
[00:19:08.000] their imagination. Um because like you
[00:19:10.400] say, you've got the the part in the
[00:19:12.320] documentary where you've got it's like
[00:19:13.760] the I believe it's drawn with the four
[00:19:16.320] grays round and they they click to each
[00:19:18.799] other. Um you've got the the gentleman
[00:19:21.440] in Brazil who is currently going viral
[00:19:24.640] with his UFO sighting and he talks about
[00:19:27.360] hearing entities as if they're being
[00:19:30.320] choked or gasping and clicking and he
[00:19:32.559] does that sort of impression. Bear in
[00:19:34.559] mind, the guy's just gained 1.5 million
[00:19:36.799] followers on his Instagram in the last
[00:19:38.720] couple of days for releasing this. So
[00:19:40.640] maybe there's an element of marketing
[00:19:42.000] alongside it. But again, all of this
[00:19:44.400] comes at the same time. Really
[00:19:45.840] interesting stuff. But less about
[00:19:47.039] Spielberg, more about your documentary
[00:19:48.720] today is about your disclosure day. Um
[00:19:51.280] Dean, as a as a segue nicely into it,
[00:19:54.720] when you're you're making a documentary
[00:19:56.320] then about experiencers, I mentioned I
[00:19:58.880] think I've got to say for me, but I
[00:20:00.640] think for other folks too, it can be
[00:20:02.080] very divisive. I've had some not I don't
[00:20:05.039] argue with folks online but a lot of
[00:20:06.640] folks have got very heated when I can
[00:20:08.960] say you know there's some testimony I I
[00:20:11.679] truly believe there's other testimony I
[00:20:14.240] find fascinating and some experience or
[00:20:16.400] testimony I can't help but put down to
[00:20:18.720] potential mental health issues
[00:20:20.960] fabrication outright lies um but it's
[00:20:24.480] such a difficult niche to dive into. How
[00:20:27.280] did you find that as you as you dig
[00:20:29.440] through people's stories? Because not
[00:20:31.039] only do you cover, you know, Betty and
[00:20:32.799] Barney Hill, one of the most famous
[00:20:34.320] abduction stories. You cover Travis
[00:20:36.559] Walton, Terry Love Lace, but you also
[00:20:38.880] cover lesser known with two twin sisters
[00:20:41.840] who aren't famous. They aren't
[00:20:43.280] celebrities. They are just normal
[00:20:45.280] everyday folks who had a rather
[00:20:47.360] incredible experience. How did you find
[00:20:49.360] diving into all of those different
[00:20:51.200] experiences and what may or may not be
[00:20:53.600] true?
[00:20:54.960] Well, first of all, I want to say that
[00:20:56.960] um
[00:20:58.720] um that
[00:21:01.440] the last thing I want to uh ever do is
[00:21:03.840] like for me I' I've said this before um
[00:21:07.520] I'm not an easy date with the truth. I
[00:21:10.559] worked for like 15 years on crime shows
[00:21:13.039] and so I've I've sat across from
[00:21:16.480] criminals and and some witnesses. Some
[00:21:19.120] were dodgy and you get a pretty good BS
[00:21:22.320] meter. If I'm gonna show something, if
[00:21:24.960] I'm going to present something uh to an
[00:21:27.520] audience,
[00:21:29.120] they'll they should know that I went on
[00:21:31.600] a few dates with this truth before I
[00:21:33.840] gave it up. I didn't just, you know,
[00:21:36.960] because I don't want to be left there
[00:21:38.799] having to backpedal. There's nothing
[00:21:40.720] worse than that. And I've seen it happen
[00:21:42.240] to my colleagues. So, I won't do that.
[00:21:43.840] And so,
[00:21:44.640] >> if I'm a little bit um uh uh skeptical,
[00:21:47.679] it's just because I haven't bored out
[00:21:49.840] the truth. I haven't done proper
[00:21:52.159] homework on it yet and so once I do that
[00:21:54.799] then if I present something then it's on
[00:21:57.120] me and the experiencers
[00:22:00.559] is uh it is something that is so
[00:22:05.039] fascinating like right now I'm kind of
[00:22:07.200] moving away from the nuts and bolts of
[00:22:09.679] this um and I'm moving into the people
[00:22:13.520] who ultimately want to to know who these
[00:22:17.679] pilots are of these crafts you know all
[00:22:20.000] the hearings, we're talking about the
[00:22:21.440] elephant's tail, right? But we're not
[00:22:23.440] talking about the elephant in the room,
[00:22:25.039] abductions. And so when it comes to is
[00:22:27.360] is this going on or not, I'm not going
[00:22:29.679] to spend eight years of my time, believe
[00:22:32.799] me, um working on something unless I
[00:22:36.080] think that there's something credible,
[00:22:38.720] highly credible here, and that these
[00:22:41.039] guys um have uh a a hook on something
[00:22:45.440] that has been happening for decades,
[00:22:47.840] maybe longer, and present new
[00:22:49.840] information. And so with regards to the
[00:22:51.600] twins are actually sisters born about a
[00:22:53.840] year apart um one of them um is in Los
[00:22:58.960] Angeles was in Los Angeles a musician uh
[00:23:02.320] she was like she's like 26 27 and then
[00:23:05.440] her sister older she's a business person
[00:23:07.840] in Chicago a business exec so they're
[00:23:10.559] from two different worlds which was
[00:23:11.840] great and so um my co-producer Craig
[00:23:15.760] Jackson said um hey because he's also a
[00:23:18.240] music producer he says
[00:23:20.240] I've got this musician that I'm working
[00:23:22.559] with and she told me, she asked me, she
[00:23:24.880] says, "What are you working on?" And I
[00:23:25.919] told her and she says, "Oh, that's
[00:23:27.840] interesting because my sister and I had
[00:23:30.000] weird dreams. We shared exactly the same
[00:23:32.159] dreams." And so Craig called me about
[00:23:34.240] it. And he go I go, "What do you mean
[00:23:35.520] they shared the same dreams?" They had
[00:23:37.919] identical dreams within like a few weeks
[00:23:40.960] um of one another. Um, and I called
[00:23:44.880] Ivonne Smith, who's a certified
[00:23:46.880] hypnotherapist,
[00:23:48.400] and um, and her background is that she
[00:23:50.240] worked with people who have addiction
[00:23:51.840] problems and cancer to help them um,
[00:23:54.640] mitigate the um, the pain and everything
[00:23:57.520] and and overcoming what they're doing.
[00:23:59.600] And then she found herself working in
[00:24:01.039] this space. I called her and I said,
[00:24:02.400] "Hey, is this normal for sisters kind of
[00:24:04.960] close in age to have the same dreams?"
[00:24:07.919] And she goes, "Yeah, that's a flag.
[00:24:10.720] That's not normal at all." And I go,
[00:24:13.600] "Okay, what is your schedule like?" And
[00:24:16.080] so we went back and and we asked the
[00:24:18.640] sisters and and the goal was I said,
[00:24:20.480] "I'm only going to do this. I'm only
[00:24:22.640] going to put you on camera." Because I'd
[00:24:24.159] never gone under hypnosis before. If you
[00:24:26.640] guys agree that you will not share, like
[00:24:30.559] when the first person goes, they don't
[00:24:32.400] share what what happened with the other
[00:24:33.919] person. Otherwise, I'm trashing this and
[00:24:35.600] deleting it off my files.
[00:24:37.679] >> And they agreed to that. And uh so what
[00:24:40.480] you see is what happened 100%. And so
[00:24:45.520] looking at the cases again, if you look
[00:24:47.840] at the movie phenomenon or excuse me, um
[00:24:50.320] yeah, the the phenomenon, you go from
[00:24:52.400] the classic cases, you talk about Lonnie
[00:24:54.799] Zamora and you know, Sakaro, New Mexico,
[00:24:57.840] you get everyone up to date. I needed to
[00:24:59.679] go back to Barney and Betty Hill and I
[00:25:01.919] wanted to go back in a way that hadn't,
[00:25:04.080] you know, been done before, which was
[00:25:06.400] animation and also working off of the
[00:25:08.480] actual audio tapes of their regressions.
[00:25:12.240] And then we get into, you know, like you
[00:25:14.159] said, Travis Walton, Terry Loveace, and
[00:25:15.919] also Deb Jordan Cobble, who Bud Hopkins
[00:25:18.559] wrote about in Intruders, and um and she
[00:25:21.679] talks about um yeah, what she went
[00:25:24.159] through. So, I hope that answered the
[00:25:26.400] question. basically.
[00:25:28.000] >> Yeah, it does.
[00:25:29.520] >> And to make it to so folks know, I did
[00:25:31.919] watch the documentary. I I wrote down
[00:25:33.760] twins, Kaye and Skyler. I think I wrote
[00:25:36.320] that down when one of them actually says
[00:25:37.919] in the documentary, "People think we are
[00:25:39.760] twins, but I was born one year and nine
[00:25:41.919] days later, I think she says."
[00:25:43.840] >> So, yeah, just just so you know as well,
[00:25:45.760] Dean, I've definitely watched it. Um,
[00:25:47.760] but I must have been writing that at the
[00:25:49.039] same time. But they do look like
[00:25:50.240] strikingly similar as well when you see
[00:25:52.080] them kind of side by side.
[00:25:54.080] Yeah. Yeah, they could absolutely be
[00:25:56.159] twins. Um, so yeah, the they've got a
[00:25:59.039] really interesting story and you
[00:26:00.559] mentioned you've taken it back then to
[00:26:02.000] to Betty and Barney Hill. And what I'm
[00:26:04.400] going to do, folks, just before myself
[00:26:06.320] and Dean talk about it, is I'm going to
[00:26:08.960] play um a minute or so of the actual
[00:26:11.600] tapes, the regression tapes that were
[00:26:14.240] from Betty and Barney Hill.
[00:26:17.279] They're harrowing. They're really,
[00:26:18.960] really striking. And uh well, let me
[00:26:22.320] play them and let me you can make up
[00:26:23.679] your own mind, folks. Okay, I'll come
[00:26:25.200] back to you in a second.
[00:26:32.240] >> We're driving along. I don't know where
[00:26:34.720] we are.
[00:26:37.279] I just pursuing a feeling that
[00:26:38.720] something's going to happen.
[00:26:42.559] >> God, I was scared.
[00:26:45.440] They won't talk to me. Who won't talk to
[00:26:48.480] you? the men. They are standing in the
[00:26:51.760] road.
[00:26:53.120] >> He says, "You don't have any reason to
[00:26:55.120] be afraid. We're not going to harm you.
[00:26:58.559] And they're taking me up to the object
[00:27:01.440] now. I don't want to go on it." And the
[00:27:04.799] examiner
[00:27:06.320] has a long needle in his hand. It's
[00:27:10.080] bigger than any needle I've ever seen.
[00:27:12.640] And I'm crying and I tell him, "It's
[00:27:14.720] hurting. It's hurting and hurting out."
[00:27:19.600] and and and then the leader, he goes
[00:27:22.080] over and he puts his hand, runs his hand
[00:27:25.919] in front of my eyes and he says, "I'll
[00:27:28.320] be all right. I won't feel it."
[00:27:31.600] >> So Dean, with with those um with those
[00:27:33.919] audio clips, I think it really gets
[00:27:35.520] across and you there's a lot more of it
[00:27:37.200] in the documentary. Of course, you play
[00:27:39.039] a substantial amount. They're clearly
[00:27:41.679] going through something. And something
[00:27:43.679] that always strikes me with the Betty
[00:27:45.120] and Barney Hill case is this is a black
[00:27:48.400] male, a white female at a time when in
[00:27:52.400] the United States particularly, you did
[00:27:54.640] not want to draw attention to yourself
[00:27:56.559] as an interracial couple. And that
[00:27:58.559] always strikes me as if you were going
[00:28:00.000] to make this up, the last couple that
[00:28:02.640] should be doing it as a black and a
[00:28:04.240] white couple because that just draws all
[00:28:06.559] kind of unwarranted attention. Is that
[00:28:08.320] fair?
[00:28:09.120] >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. 1961. Hell yeah.
[00:28:12.640] Yeah. Um, and again, what I think the
[00:28:14.960] documentary does really well, um, is for
[00:28:17.919] for people like me and the young folk,
[00:28:20.480] Dean, um, I'm 40, so I can't claim to be
[00:28:22.480] young anymore, but you're covering some
[00:28:24.880] really famous stories that people have
[00:28:26.480] gone into in great great detail, and
[00:28:28.399] you're giving people the snapshot of the
[00:28:30.080] story. Here's Betty and Barney Hill. If
[00:28:32.080] you know it, I'm not going to smash you
[00:28:33.679] over the head with that again. If you
[00:28:34.960] don't know it, here's the quick version
[00:28:36.880] of this happened. This happened, this
[00:28:38.559] happened. And you do the same with
[00:28:39.600] Travis Walton, Terry Love Lace, and
[00:28:41.840] Debbie as well. Um, so I appreciated
[00:28:44.480] that because it brings you right up to
[00:28:45.760] speed. It's a fastmoving documentary.
[00:28:47.919] Again, it keeps your attention, which I
[00:28:49.520] enjoy. Um, but you play those tapes and
[00:28:52.159] you hear what they went through.
[00:28:54.799] What's your take before you you dug into
[00:28:57.120] it in the documentary of the Betty and
[00:28:58.799] Barney Hill story and and and now? All
[00:29:02.159] of my interest stemmed from being
[00:29:03.760] invited by Ivonne Smith to go to a Suros
[00:29:07.360] meeting which is the close encounters uh
[00:29:10.640] research organization. And so it's
[00:29:14.159] basically a an experiencer support group
[00:29:16.960] and there are um dozens um uh maybe it's
[00:29:21.039] into the hundreds um all around the
[00:29:24.080] world um who have organizations like
[00:29:26.960] this that that get together. And so I
[00:29:29.279] went to my first meeting and there was
[00:29:31.679] about maybe 12 of them. And so before I
[00:29:35.440] went, um my girlfriend Ally said um
[00:29:40.480] she was kind of um a little bit uh uh
[00:29:43.919] nervous um about that because she had
[00:29:46.640] heard um you know someone had mentioned
[00:29:50.480] like the hitchhiker effect
[00:29:52.960] >> that if you're around you know these
[00:29:55.039] people um that some weird stuff happens
[00:29:59.039] um but at the same time she's kind of
[00:30:00.559] like you know um She she's agnostic
[00:30:04.799] about all of this. So, she's a good
[00:30:06.000] barometer. So, whenever I have something
[00:30:07.279] a little too fantastical, I'll go to her
[00:30:08.880] and say, you know, uh what do you think?
[00:30:11.200] And then I'll show her some stuff. And
[00:30:12.640] and that's the lipmus test. So, anyway,
[00:30:14.640] I went and I thought at at worst case
[00:30:18.640] scenario, it'll be amusing, you know,
[00:30:20.640] seeing these people that believe that
[00:30:21.919] they've been taken by, you know, beings
[00:30:24.320] from these crafts. Um and and you know,
[00:30:29.120] at the best it it might validate it.
[00:30:30.960] Well, I get there and I ask, you know,
[00:30:32.880] everyone, "So, so what do you guys do
[00:30:34.159] for a living?" And they start telling me
[00:30:36.559] what they do. Um, one of them is a
[00:30:38.960] doctor, a lawyer, chiropractor,
[00:30:41.760] architect.
[00:30:43.360] One of them uh has given a TED talk, not
[00:30:46.320] about this subject, but about business
[00:30:48.720] related stuff. And another one is a
[00:30:50.640] homeland security supervisor. And
[00:30:52.159] lastly, there's a guy who's a major in
[00:30:54.080] the army.
[00:30:55.760] And I'm looking at these guys and
[00:30:56.880] they're talking and I'm astonished at
[00:30:59.840] how
[00:31:01.520] normal they are. I mean, it could have
[00:31:03.840] been a HOV HOA meeting, you know, of of
[00:31:09.200] like you have a condominium and you got
[00:31:10.720] all the people own them getting
[00:31:12.240] together. It was this this just a
[00:31:15.360] completely almost um prosaic meeting and
[00:31:20.320] then we start talking about their
[00:31:22.000] experiences. And I'm listening to all of
[00:31:24.559] this and I'm listening to the homeland
[00:31:26.080] security supervisor saying how what
[00:31:27.679] really annoys him is that whenever they
[00:31:30.159] come, he always has a sense that they're
[00:31:32.000] coming and he'll like be in his house
[00:31:34.640] and he's got these decks that open to a
[00:31:36.240] backyard like his French doors and um
[00:31:39.679] and he'll stand there and he'll say,
[00:31:41.840] "Okay, I'm I'm ready. Let's do this on
[00:31:44.799] his own terms. Here I am. Come and get
[00:31:46.720] me." and they always make him walk back
[00:31:49.279] down and lie down prone on the couch and
[00:31:51.440] then he's elevated, taken out sometimes,
[00:31:53.200] like it's almost like taken by his feet.
[00:31:56.159] So, um, I'm listening to all of this and
[00:31:59.039] I say, "Okay, hold on. I I have to kind
[00:32:01.039] of stop you guys right here and ask you
[00:32:04.240] because this sounds pretty terrifying. I
[00:32:06.159] know that that it is a spiritual
[00:32:09.440] communion with an intelligence beyond,
[00:32:12.399] you know, belief, but again, this is
[00:32:15.519] against your will.
[00:32:17.600] Would you, if you could, go back in time
[00:32:21.120] and stop this or make a deal not to have
[00:32:23.919] this happen? Would you do that? Raise
[00:32:27.519] your hands.
[00:32:29.360] So, five, 10 seconds of dead air. No one
[00:32:33.519] raises their hand.
[00:32:35.600] And then this guy who's in the military,
[00:32:38.799] this is his first thing. He's 35 years
[00:32:40.240] old. He's big guy, like 6'3.
[00:32:42.880] He pipes in and he says, "No disrespect
[00:32:46.960] intended." And I'm again, I'm I'm in awe
[00:32:49.600] that they said that, that it was that
[00:32:51.200] important to them because they feel like
[00:32:52.480] they're being of service, that there's
[00:32:53.760] some bigger thing going on between us
[00:32:57.039] and these NHIs that's helping maybe not
[00:33:00.320] just them, but also us. And so this guy
[00:33:03.760] pipes in and he says, "No disrespect
[00:33:05.679] intended. I think you guys are all
[00:33:07.519] effing
[00:33:09.120] insane
[00:33:11.200] and everyone turns and looks at him and
[00:33:13.760] he says, "Let me tell you why I'm here.
[00:33:16.399] Four months ago,
[00:33:18.720] um, I had a situation that happened. My
[00:33:22.480] wife and I, my wife is the only person
[00:33:24.880] I've ever shared this with," he says,
[00:33:26.960] um, that I had these experiences. We
[00:33:29.200] don't tell anyone else. We don't tell
[00:33:30.640] friends. um we certainly wouldn't tell
[00:33:32.799] our kids and they've got like, you know,
[00:33:34.480] a five and a seven-year-old. And he
[00:33:36.640] said, "Four months ago, my kids jumped
[00:33:39.200] on my bed in the morning and presented
[00:33:42.559] me with a drawing.
[00:33:45.200] And in the drawing, it was these two
[00:33:50.399] little creatures,
[00:33:52.240] stick figures, but had big heads, big
[00:33:54.320] eyes." And he said, "What is this?" And
[00:33:58.159] one of his daughters said, "Oh, these
[00:34:00.960] are the little skeleton people that come
[00:34:03.360] and visit us sometimes at night."
[00:34:07.039] I just get I get chills right now um
[00:34:09.760] talking about it again. And so he says,
[00:34:12.480] "They can take me. I have no choice in
[00:34:14.720] the matter, but they will not touch my
[00:34:17.520] kids." And so he was there to get
[00:34:20.159] answers to prevent this from from
[00:34:21.919] happening. and he actually asked me to
[00:34:23.440] sneak in to his home and set up cameras
[00:34:26.800] because he'd had all these different
[00:34:28.960] types of electrical issues whenever he's
[00:34:31.440] tried to do it.
[00:34:32.879] >> Um,
[00:34:34.399] >> so no, I didn't because I I felt like um
[00:34:40.000] it it it felt like that that wasn't
[00:34:44.320] it it felt like I didn't want to engage
[00:34:47.520] and what he was doing. And mostly when I
[00:34:49.839] talked to Ivonne about this because I
[00:34:51.440] was considering doing it, uh, she's
[00:34:53.599] like, "It's not going to work, Dean.
[00:34:56.079] It's not going to work to bring cameras
[00:34:57.440] in and do that because you think that
[00:34:59.680] these these beings don't know that." So
[00:35:01.760] if there's electrical issues, which she
[00:35:03.760] said, "We hear all the time." She goes,
[00:35:05.520] "These aren't these aren't um uh um
[00:35:09.680] subservient people that are being
[00:35:11.359] abducted. They're not just people who
[00:35:12.880] who go with the program. they've tried
[00:35:15.200] to do that and there've always always
[00:35:17.200] been issues.
[00:35:18.560] >> So, um I was going to meet with him and
[00:35:22.079] and talk again about maybe doing some
[00:35:23.920] another version of this. Uh
[00:35:25.760] unfortunately, he um got leukemia
[00:35:28.880] >> and uh passed away like a year or two
[00:35:30.880] later and um uh very sad. But, um
[00:35:35.359] anyway, uh I've remained friends with
[00:35:38.400] some of the people in the groups. I've
[00:35:39.760] since gone to three um more group
[00:35:42.720] meetings and I was allowed to videotape
[00:35:44.880] and so you'll actually see footage um in
[00:35:47.760] the movie of uh what one of those
[00:35:49.920] meetings looked like.
[00:35:52.160] >> Yeah. And even not to go into too much
[00:35:54.640] spoiler territory because I know folks
[00:35:56.240] are going to know the other stories, but
[00:35:58.320] Kaye and Skyler's situation uh and what
[00:36:02.160] they talk about um is pretty creepy. um
[00:36:05.680] including one element of it I will
[00:36:08.000] mention is in what looks like an
[00:36:10.480] abduction she wakes up in a room where
[00:36:12.800] her bed is with her and that that closet
[00:36:16.400] door thing the young child in me and
[00:36:19.040] here here's a fact folks I'm still
[00:36:20.960] actually scared of the dark as an adult
[00:36:22.800] okay I am not a big fan of sleeping in
[00:36:25.359] the dark the whole light's usually on um
[00:36:28.240] when I lived on my own before I met my
[00:36:30.160] wife always slept with um light on if I
[00:36:33.359] go away and stay in a hell. I will sleep
[00:36:35.280] with the light on. It's just a thing,
[00:36:36.800] right? At 40 years old.
[00:36:38.960] >> Wow.
[00:36:39.359] >> But as a kid, um it used to look like my
[00:36:42.720] wallpaper was 3D and it was Thomas the
[00:36:45.200] Tank Engine. Um and apparently that used
[00:36:47.920] to scare me with the shadows going by
[00:36:49.599] and stuff. I've always been I've always
[00:36:51.760] had recurring nightmares and this is
[00:36:53.680] something that um Kaylee and Skyler talk
[00:36:55.599] about. recurring dreams of being in my
[00:36:58.720] bedroom looking at the door and the door
[00:37:01.200] just slowly opens but no one's there and
[00:37:04.800] that's like the worst thing that there's
[00:37:06.800] nothing there. Um, and when they talk
[00:37:08.880] about the closet and just having a
[00:37:11.280] feeling of something being at the
[00:37:13.040] closet, um, I've got a friend right now,
[00:37:15.200] Dean, who um, is not a guy who's into
[00:37:18.560] UFOs, ghosts, all that kind of stuff.
[00:37:21.520] But just the other week was telling me
[00:37:23.760] and it it's been happening for a while
[00:37:25.760] actually. He was like, "I've been having
[00:37:27.520] an issue with like kind of a something
[00:37:30.400] in my house." And I was like, "What?
[00:37:32.320] What do you mean something in your
[00:37:33.440] house?" And he was like, "I'm I'm seeing
[00:37:36.079] stuff." And he was like I was he said he
[00:37:38.560] was in bed and he felt like something
[00:37:40.240] kind of hit him in the chest but like
[00:37:42.560] really powerfully. Um it really startled
[00:37:45.839] him. He went I was wide awake. I wasn't
[00:37:47.440] falling asleep. I wasn't drifting off.
[00:37:49.520] Um and he said he's got like a an attic
[00:37:52.560] and he said he was in his bed and he was
[00:37:55.839] he was turned around facing one way
[00:37:57.920] where the attic would have been out in
[00:37:59.680] like the landing and up. So you'd have
[00:38:01.760] seen it from your bed where you were
[00:38:03.119] lying. and he said he just knew not to
[00:38:06.240] turn around and look because something
[00:38:07.920] was going to be there. So, he just kept
[00:38:11.119] his eyes closed. And for me, that's like
[00:38:13.040] sell the house and move out territory.
[00:38:14.880] Um, but he he's he knows that his home
[00:38:17.599] there was a a mining disaster very much
[00:38:20.720] in his back garden in the early 1900s.
[00:38:23.920] Nearly 200 people um died as part of it.
[00:38:27.440] Um he had his sis he saw he saw
[00:38:30.560] basically he kept seeing things out the
[00:38:32.720] corner of his eye. he would see um legs
[00:38:36.000] running up the stairs and he always saw
[00:38:38.480] on those the top couple of stairs in his
[00:38:40.400] home, not the full set, they would just
[00:38:42.320] sort of disappear almost like shadows,
[00:38:44.079] but they were there. Um he said the the
[00:38:47.200] photographs he's got of his family at
[00:38:48.640] the top of his stairs keep turning and
[00:38:51.280] being moved. The rest of the photographs
[00:38:52.960] on the stairs, nothing gets touched,
[00:38:54.400] just here. Um, and he also says really
[00:38:56.800] strangely at all times of the day, he
[00:38:59.520] sees like the air in his house as if you
[00:39:01.760] had rippled a glass of water. He sees
[00:39:04.160] parts of the air just move and ripple.
[00:39:06.640] And he says it doesn't happen when he's
[00:39:08.240] out, when he's anywhere else. It's not
[00:39:10.000] an eye issue. And um,
[00:39:13.440] eventually he's done some things where
[00:39:14.560] he's been putting sage and things around
[00:39:16.000] his house on some recommendations and he
[00:39:18.400] says the sage has popped a few times.
[00:39:20.320] It's actually exploded. Um, and he's
[00:39:22.880] he's said to whatever it is, you know, I
[00:39:24.400] don't want you here. Go away. And
[00:39:25.839] nothing's happened now for six or seven
[00:39:27.839] weeks or so.
[00:39:29.119] >> But yeah, all that kind of stuff, that
[00:39:30.800] that feeling, that knowing something's
[00:39:32.720] there, the the closets, it's all really
[00:39:35.680] creepy stuff. And what gets me is like
[00:39:39.119] you say, these people you've spoken to
[00:39:40.880] feel that they're they're helping. It's
[00:39:43.359] a cause. It's not scary for them. But
[00:39:46.160] some abductions seem seem the opposite
[00:39:48.640] where it is genuinely frightening,
[00:39:50.240] genuinely scary. People are being taken
[00:39:52.640] against our will. H how have you come to
[00:39:55.839] to view that pattern within the
[00:39:58.240] phenomenon of abductions and how some
[00:40:00.880] are good? Can I say some are bad and
[00:40:04.000] some are in the middle somewhere? Well,
[00:40:06.560] without getting into um and we can into
[00:40:09.599] the four main types of uh of uh
[00:40:12.720] entities, non-human intelligence, um
[00:40:16.800] it runs the gamut of that. I mean, it
[00:40:18.960] also gets into, you know, Whitley likes
[00:40:22.079] to talk about his relationship that he
[00:40:23.920] has going on with one of these beings.
[00:40:26.560] Um that has been definitely reported.
[00:40:28.880] The thing that that is is intriguing and
[00:40:31.520] cannot be discounted, needs to be
[00:40:33.119] factored in, and it's an uncomfortable
[00:40:35.359] area to talk about, but we're going to
[00:40:37.040] talk about that is the high strangeness.
[00:40:40.640] Um, that's stuff like you're describing,
[00:40:44.960] weirdness where, you know, either it's a
[00:40:47.200] screen memory or reality seems to change
[00:40:50.400] or, you know, maybe there's some weird
[00:40:53.920] childhood song that comes back. um you
[00:40:57.760] know these things that that that sound
[00:40:59.359] like it's more of a of a ghost encounter
[00:41:03.839] um than uh an abduction. And what's
[00:41:07.839] interesting is I've been leaning into
[00:41:09.839] more and more that these beings are
[00:41:13.440] traveling in the astral plane.
[00:41:16.400] >> And evidence to support that is people
[00:41:18.800] are often they'll describe seeing loved
[00:41:21.760] ones, deceased loved ones there. And so
[00:41:25.440] what do they how do they describe these
[00:41:27.359] apparitions? Shimmering,
[00:41:30.079] transparent, zip in. They're here, then
[00:41:32.560] they're over here, then they're over
[00:41:33.680] here. Well, if you can crack that and
[00:41:35.599] figure out how to travel in that plane,
[00:41:38.079] then you're able to, you know, time and
[00:41:40.240] space doesn't matter. You can manipulate
[00:41:42.079] that. Um, so I I find that there is a
[00:41:45.839] close relationship between the two of
[00:41:47.520] them. Um, reality, you know, we're only
[00:41:50.880] seeing a fraction really of reality. Um
[00:41:54.480] I I I believe that and the stuff that we
[00:41:56.480] don't see I think is is maybe um by
[00:41:59.920] design for us but if you talk to any
[00:42:02.240] experiencer and you say hey what is what
[00:42:04.880] are the after effects after you've been
[00:42:06.880] taken and like Deb talks about she says
[00:42:10.240] there's a telepathy an extra sense of
[00:42:13.119] intuition where you know you can walk by
[00:42:15.839] someone and you know what they're
[00:42:16.880] thinking you just get this energy and to
[00:42:20.319] me that's you know again reconnecting
[00:42:23.280] with not just the physical body but your
[00:42:25.280] higher self. And so there's just little
[00:42:29.119] ear marks that are here. And again, I've
[00:42:31.040] been in this rabbit hole hard for like 8
[00:42:32.880] to 10 years. You know, I was just
[00:42:34.800] someone who would read books
[00:42:35.760] occasionally, John Max's wonderful book
[00:42:37.280] or, you know, Bud Hopkins, etc. But in
[00:42:40.319] it, you start to remove all the things
[00:42:42.560] that you don't know and you're looking
[00:42:45.119] at what you're left with, you know, and
[00:42:47.760] the best that you're going to get is
[00:42:49.200] you're going to get corners of the
[00:42:50.560] puzzle. But like Travis Walton says, you
[00:42:54.640] know, he's constantly confronted by
[00:42:56.000] people that have all the answers. Oh,
[00:42:57.359] it's the government. And they talk with
[00:42:58.880] such certainty and he says they don't
[00:43:02.000] know. And I think that's by design. I
[00:43:04.160] think that them, whoever them is, that
[00:43:07.520] they're the ones that are controlling
[00:43:08.800] this. And so, um, how do I reconcile,
[00:43:12.079] getting back to your main question, how
[00:43:13.760] do I reconcile the fact that some of
[00:43:16.160] these, uh, experiences are
[00:43:19.760] seem to be a mutual agreement thing and
[00:43:22.880] then others you're being taken. Um the
[00:43:26.560] first thing that comes to my mind is is
[00:43:28.079] John Mack who talked about um might be
[00:43:30.400] paraphrasing but it's the dual alien
[00:43:32.560] identity which is the belief that these
[00:43:34.560] people have been reincarnated from maybe
[00:43:36.960] their planet, their plane, their
[00:43:38.560] existence, their time and they're here
[00:43:40.640] to help and they've agreed because what
[00:43:42.240] do the beings say to them? When they say
[00:43:44.560] you have no right to do this they say
[00:43:47.119] yes we do.
[00:43:48.560] >> So how do you have that right? And and
[00:43:51.839] so, you know, I I I
[00:43:55.280] used to when I read Communion and I was
[00:43:57.359] young, I'm like, damn, I want to see a
[00:43:59.359] UFO. I want to see an alien really bad.
[00:44:02.000] And then I thought about that and the
[00:44:03.520] older I get, the more I'm like, yeah, I
[00:44:05.520] don't know that I need to.
[00:44:09.040] >> He attacks my my mind um like that. And
[00:44:13.440] then I came up with the analogy. I was
[00:44:15.680] one day I was on my deck and I was
[00:44:17.200] reading it was in the middle of the the
[00:44:19.040] day and I was reading something about
[00:44:20.240] aerial school, right?
[00:44:21.920] >> And uh that phenomenon that happened in
[00:44:24.240] broad daylight and I started to imagine
[00:44:26.079] if I look down my deck if a chimpanzee
[00:44:30.240] popped its head out and looked at me and
[00:44:32.880] then ducked back and I got up and I
[00:44:35.200] walked over and it wasn't there. How
[00:44:37.920] jacked up I would be from that? I mean,
[00:44:41.599] at some point, I'm gonna I'm gonna
[00:44:45.200] rework it in my brain that I imagine
[00:44:47.440] that because it's just too much, the
[00:44:49.599] onlogical shock. Now, imagine you look
[00:44:52.400] over and maybe it's at night and you see
[00:44:55.839] this being gray being poke its head out
[00:44:58.000] and go back. I mean, 10 times more
[00:45:02.560] intense. So, as much as people the
[00:45:05.680] criticism is that, oh, they want to see
[00:45:07.599] these things, they're fabricating this
[00:45:09.680] blah blah blah. Well, that was put to
[00:45:12.240] the test with John Mack when he did
[00:45:13.520] brain scans and discovered that these
[00:45:15.760] people are literally suffering from PTSD
[00:45:18.319] that you cannot fake.
[00:45:20.000] >> And he's combed through their past to
[00:45:21.440] see this happened from some abuse,
[00:45:23.200] childhood abuse
[00:45:24.960] >> and and in most of these cases, zero
[00:45:27.520] abuse. This was it. I mean, we all have
[00:45:30.079] situations that happen in in um in
[00:45:33.040] childhood, but not to this effect. And
[00:45:36.160] so, the fact that the PTSD is real um is
[00:45:40.160] um for me, that's that's pretty strong
[00:45:42.960] evidence, you know, and and these people
[00:45:45.760] are passing lie detector tests. You
[00:45:47.599] know, Travis Walton passed five. As much
[00:45:50.000] as people like to say, "Oh, he was made
[00:45:52.640] to be a fraud, this and that." Well,
[00:45:54.000] look at that case. That's BS. That's not
[00:45:56.480] true. Philip Glass was supposed to pay
[00:45:58.800] him or a UFO researcher $10,000 to prove
[00:46:03.280] that his story was uh false and he
[00:46:06.960] couldn't do it. And Philip Class, the
[00:46:08.640] the famous um skeptic, died owing him
[00:46:12.400] that $10,000. So,
[00:46:15.040] >> and and we'll get to the the evidence
[00:46:17.440] section which kind of rounds off the
[00:46:19.119] documentary as well because I think
[00:46:20.319] that's really important. And is it
[00:46:22.960] yourself that's behind the camera that
[00:46:24.560] asks the folks on camera about evidence
[00:46:27.920] and how there is a real lack? And it's
[00:46:30.560] such a good question and it's such a
[00:46:32.160] fair question to ask because I'm sure
[00:46:34.960] much like yourself asking it like I
[00:46:36.640] would. It's not from an accusatory
[00:46:38.960] place. It's from the place of your
[00:46:41.359] average member of the public when you
[00:46:43.119] present a story like Terry Love Lace.
[00:46:45.760] And Terry Love Lace is not in the best
[00:46:47.359] of health these days. I I know um
[00:46:49.520] recently. So, um, thoughts with Terry
[00:46:52.319] and and everything and hope he's doing
[00:46:53.520] as well as he can be. Um, but I spoke to
[00:46:55.760] Terry on a couple of occasions and he
[00:46:58.240] comes across as such an incredibly
[00:47:00.960] genuine guy. His story, um, he was so
[00:47:05.920] amazed after he was on with me, he got
[00:47:08.560] in touch to see a few weeks later, he
[00:47:10.240] had had this huge spike in people buying
[00:47:12.240] his book, but it wasn't that, oh, I'm
[00:47:14.000] making more money off it. he'll be
[00:47:15.440] making a few cents a book or whatever,
[00:47:17.200] but he was like the amount of people
[00:47:18.720] getting in touch with me again to talk
[00:47:20.880] about their experiences or how my
[00:47:23.040] experience touched them really really
[00:47:24.560] got to him and he loved that. So, but as
[00:47:27.520] a guy like Terry, you've got this this
[00:47:29.359] implant story. Other folks mention
[00:47:31.760] implants will be physical signs. It's a
[00:47:34.160] real difficulty for real any abductee to
[00:47:38.000] have their story disproven, but it's so
[00:47:40.560] difficult to actually prove it too,
[00:47:42.960] isn't it?
[00:47:45.040] Yeah, that was a a moment where here's
[00:47:48.079] the thing. I I want to help these
[00:47:50.800] experiencers
[00:47:52.319] with their cases. And what I mean by
[00:47:54.720] that is I want them to be able to um
[00:47:59.359] convince us, present to us the truth
[00:48:03.040] that they experienced. And so a way to
[00:48:06.720] do that is not to, you know,
[00:48:08.960] editorialize and curate out all the
[00:48:11.760] things that you as an audience would
[00:48:13.359] ask. I mean, if I'm here's when I make
[00:48:15.440] these documentaries, I go, "All right,
[00:48:17.440] I'm the viewer." And it's an interactive
[00:48:19.440] documentary because I'm making this
[00:48:20.960] thing. So, what do I want? And I want
[00:48:23.680] evidence.
[00:48:25.200] >> You can tell me this and that and and
[00:48:27.920] that evidence, verbal evidence
[00:48:31.599] will hold up in court. And people have
[00:48:33.359] been put in the electric chair with less
[00:48:34.960] evidence. Doesn't matter. I want the
[00:48:37.599] hardcore evidence. Just like at the
[00:48:39.839] hearings, we want to see the tailpipe of
[00:48:41.599] the UFO, etc.
[00:48:43.119] >> And so that was a moment where I just
[00:48:44.880] said, "Hey, give me give me some
[00:48:47.680] evidence. Help me help you." And that's
[00:48:51.200] where they provided um some samples of
[00:48:53.760] of what they had, photographic evidence,
[00:48:56.640] x-ray evidence, and it was like, "All
[00:48:58.559] right, now I've got something that I can
[00:49:01.040] point to and say, "All right, that goes
[00:49:02.559] up on the detective board where I've got
[00:49:04.319] my yarn going from here to here."
[00:49:06.400] >> And so, um, they were very candid about
[00:49:08.240] it and they understood me asking that of
[00:49:11.839] them and they were willing to provide
[00:49:14.079] that because they know that the burden
[00:49:15.440] of proof is on them.
[00:49:17.760] >> Yeah. And that it was very well done. It
[00:49:19.520] was very fair. Um, we hear from Michael
[00:49:22.480] Masters, Dr. Michael Masters throughout.
[00:49:24.400] I've spoken to Michael on multiple
[00:49:25.680] occasions. Really great guy. He uh most
[00:49:28.880] famous for his future humans hypothesis
[00:49:31.440] on this topic. He's been on Joe Rogan
[00:49:33.359] talking about it. The idea he would say
[00:49:35.760] is the most likely scenario for this
[00:49:37.520] phenomenon or some of it at least as
[00:49:39.839] these creatures or objects are us in the
[00:49:43.119] future coming back for whatever reason
[00:49:45.839] it may be. And to talk on one of the
[00:49:49.200] real big things in this documentary then
[00:49:50.880] the alien hybridization
[00:49:53.040] program or aspect of this. This is where
[00:49:55.280] things do get strange even for folks
[00:49:57.680] embedded in the UFO topic. This is a
[00:50:00.160] difficult one for the public I think to
[00:50:01.920] get their head around because it really
[00:50:03.680] does go into elements of pure sci-fi for
[00:50:07.440] many for many people. Um I had Kevin
[00:50:10.480] Kith on a physicist just last week on
[00:50:13.040] the podcast. He's great.
[00:50:14.559] >> Yeah. And he was we were talking about
[00:50:16.559] the hybridization stuff and he said to
[00:50:19.359] him if there was a program like that
[00:50:22.079] going on, it would make sense that any
[00:50:24.720] entities we were encountering that were
[00:50:26.880] trying to to breed with us as a species
[00:50:29.839] would have to be related to us. They
[00:50:32.240] couldn't be alien because aliens would
[00:50:34.880] not work. And this this caused all kind
[00:50:36.640] of controversy in the comment sections
[00:50:38.240] and people emailing me. But Kevin was
[00:50:40.960] like, "Look, this is speculation, but
[00:50:42.559] for him and for the way DNA works, you
[00:50:45.359] couldn't have an alien breed with a
[00:50:46.720] human and create a baby. It just
[00:50:48.559] wouldn't work." So, it makes sense to
[00:50:50.559] him that there was from the past, a very
[00:50:53.440] advanced civilization from the past
[00:50:54.960] coming forward or something from the
[00:50:57.280] future coming back or something that was
[00:50:59.440] here that left and came. Um, what what's
[00:51:02.480] your take on that level of work? Because
[00:51:04.160] there you've got some very different
[00:51:05.440] people suggesting a few different
[00:51:07.119] things. How do you approach alien
[00:51:10.160] hybridization as a topic? Because it
[00:51:12.240] really does start to become classic woo.
[00:51:15.839] >> You know, that's private and I don't
[00:51:17.680] appreciate you asking me um about this.
[00:51:19.920] This is very personal. Um it is it is
[00:51:24.079] the chewy n you know nougat um
[00:51:27.280] >> inside the candy bar that that is the
[00:51:30.400] UFO phenomenon. Um really um first of
[00:51:34.160] all Spielberg subscribes to this. He
[00:51:37.200] said out of all the you know dimensional
[00:51:39.040] for for the longest time I was part with
[00:51:41.280] Jacqu Valet's book dimensions and it and
[00:51:43.920] it and it absolutely could be and it
[00:51:45.599] could be all of the above but masters
[00:51:48.480] again he didn't create this this notion
[00:51:50.720] this theory that he calls the
[00:51:52.079] extraterrestrial theory
[00:51:53.760] >> um it been around but he's really
[00:51:56.000] consolidated it and from a you know
[00:51:58.400] being an anthropological biologist um
[00:52:01.359] you know um background that that he can
[00:52:03.920] articulate it better than anyone has.
[00:52:06.640] So, uh it's true we cannot
[00:52:10.960] um we can't breed with a a primate and
[00:52:14.640] we share like 99 something% of the same
[00:52:18.480] DNA genetic makeup. And um there was a
[00:52:22.800] comment that Michael made when I was
[00:52:25.440] interviewing him where he said you can
[00:52:30.800] uh let's just say hook up with a sheep
[00:52:33.680] all day long. You're not going to get a
[00:52:35.119] sheep man.
[00:52:36.319] >> Genetics just don't work that way. Yeah.
[00:52:38.240] >> So, the idea that another species comes
[00:52:41.119] here, first of all, the idea that they
[00:52:42.400] that another species would be
[00:52:44.960] >> um bipeedal and would be a homoid
[00:52:47.599] basically is uh just doesn't make sense.
[00:52:50.640] When I interviewed Dr. Mitch Kaku, he
[00:52:53.359] was like, if a life comes from another
[00:52:54.960] planet, it's mostly going to be like a
[00:52:56.240] lobster because most life comes from the
[00:52:58.559] water. And uh so anyway, it just
[00:53:02.800] evidence-widewise,
[00:53:04.880] evidentially wise, it it would be much
[00:53:09.280] easier for us to procreate with
[00:53:11.599] something that that had our same DNA.
[00:53:13.760] Does that mean another planet that
[00:53:16.000] ultimately a species is going to, you
[00:53:17.920] know, evolve like us? Um I don't I don't
[00:53:21.040] know. I think the idea that they're
[00:53:22.640] coming from the future because the way
[00:53:23.760] that that Michael Masters tracks it out
[00:53:26.079] that we're going to evolve into looking
[00:53:28.160] like these guys and there's the tall and
[00:53:30.319] the short ones. It's there's there's
[00:53:33.680] definitely a way that that can be
[00:53:35.040] tracked. However, I brought up with
[00:53:38.160] Michael, I said, you know, no one I've
[00:53:41.280] never heard anyone talk about a mantis
[00:53:43.040] hybrid
[00:53:44.319] >> or a reptilian hybrid,
[00:53:46.400] >> right? So it seems like this is the only
[00:53:49.920] one that is mentioned in this uh
[00:53:53.680] scenario. Um so again that's telling and
[00:53:57.839] sometimes a phenomenon it's like what
[00:53:59.680] what you're not getting that in itself
[00:54:02.079] is you know is an answer like negative
[00:54:04.800] energy you know black energy um whatever
[00:54:07.839] you want to call it that makes it most
[00:54:09.520] of the universe that that is more
[00:54:12.880] reality than than the other.
[00:54:15.760] >> Yeah. And again, dark matter, all that
[00:54:17.920] kind of stuff. Kevin Kuth went into
[00:54:19.680] great detail in a way that was
[00:54:21.440] understandable even for idiots like me
[00:54:23.119] to understand when I spoke to him. So
[00:54:24.640] that was good.
[00:54:25.839] >> Yeah, it's always handy, isn't it? Um,
[00:54:28.319] >> yeah.
[00:54:28.960] >> And and and to start wrapping up because
[00:54:30.640] I want people we we've been talking the
[00:54:32.319] documentary goes for like an hour, hour
[00:54:34.000] and 24, hour 26, I think, run time.
[00:54:37.040] >> Just under 90 minutes.
[00:54:38.640] >> Yeah. And I do recommend folks go and
[00:54:40.480] check it out. There's a lot of content
[00:54:42.079] to consume in this topic, but it is
[00:54:44.079] something I think experiencers has
[00:54:46.079] perhaps gone by the wayside now for some
[00:54:48.000] time with people focusing more on the
[00:54:51.440] here and now, the videos like you say.
[00:54:53.760] Um, for you though and investigating
[00:54:56.960] this, I'm going to ask you first, what
[00:54:59.520] do you think? If someone said to you,
[00:55:01.119] Dean, give us the most legitimate
[00:55:04.400] experience or story, if you could only
[00:55:06.319] pick one, what would it have been?
[00:55:11.200] That's tough because I have a top five.
[00:55:14.160] >> Um,
[00:55:14.640] >> you want to give me the top five?
[00:55:16.319] >> Yeah. Yeah. In no particular order
[00:55:17.839] because it does change sometimes on the
[00:55:19.599] >> Oh, that's even that's even more of a
[00:55:20.880] cop out, but Okay.
[00:55:22.000] >> Oh, it is. It is. All right. Um, I would
[00:55:25.599] say uh the Berkshire case. I'm going to
[00:55:29.920] put that as number one. We have multiple
[00:55:32.000] people over the course of one night
[00:55:33.520] being taken. Uh different types of
[00:55:36.400] people being taken and seeing each other
[00:55:38.319] on the craft. That boy, that's pretty
[00:55:41.119] much the the dream case scenario when
[00:55:43.200] you want corroborating evidence. And
[00:55:45.680] yeah, that's pretty epic. Um I'm going
[00:55:48.160] to put in there Barney and Betty Hill.
[00:55:50.880] >> Um I'm going to put in there uh Travis
[00:55:54.720] Walton. Um, and I, this sounds like a
[00:55:57.920] copout, but I put in Deb Cobble, even
[00:56:00.240] though these people are in in the
[00:56:01.359] documentary because Deb's story talks
[00:56:03.760] about, you know, the hybrid uh program.
[00:56:06.720] And the fact is there's this weird
[00:56:08.559] phenomenon where people sometimes get
[00:56:10.480] pregnant and then all of a sudden the
[00:56:12.160] baby goes away. And this doesn't make
[00:56:14.799] sense to me and to my buddy who's a a
[00:56:17.119] doctor. It never made sense to him as
[00:56:18.720] well. The excuse they give is they say,
[00:56:20.640] "Oh, the body absorbed
[00:56:23.280] the fetus.
[00:56:25.599] You can't really see it, but the body
[00:56:26.960] must have absorbed it. It's just the
[00:56:28.799] catch all um explanation for that. So,
[00:56:32.960] um so the the the mysterious pregnancies
[00:56:36.400] I always find that's physical evidence.
[00:56:39.680] uh you know uh to me
[00:56:41.920] >> um outside of of the documentary and Bur
[00:56:46.480] Berkshire
[00:56:48.640] >> uh
[00:56:51.200] >> I mean the sister's
[00:56:53.839] case was because I saw it firsthand,
[00:56:56.000] man. I kept looking over at the other
[00:56:57.760] cameraman and I'm going, "Are you
[00:56:59.040] getting this? Make sure that you're
[00:57:00.880] getting audio and you're recording
[00:57:02.160] this." Because we didn't expect we
[00:57:04.640] expected nothing. We expected nothing.
[00:57:06.880] We set up three cameras and um yeah and
[00:57:11.200] and so what we captured was um it was
[00:57:15.200] beyond you know it was deserving of of
[00:57:17.200] being part of a whole separate you know
[00:57:19.920] documentary. So sorry if that sounds if
[00:57:22.880] I'm not giving you the specific top five
[00:57:26.000] but yeah Betty Hill it's a great case.
[00:57:29.200] >> Yeah you're definitely not you've
[00:57:30.480] totally avoided that Dean. Um, so like a
[00:57:34.559] like a true politician that we spoke
[00:57:36.160] about before we hit record. Um, what
[00:57:38.960] about any cases that you maybe wanted to
[00:57:41.760] include but just felt you couldn't? Was
[00:57:43.839] there anything like that where you were
[00:57:45.200] like for whatever reason it may have
[00:57:47.119] been?
[00:57:49.599] uh not another case but I had a section
[00:57:54.960] um I had a okay so a consulting editor
[00:57:58.799] because I edit my own films but I'm
[00:58:01.599] smart enough to know that um that I'm
[00:58:03.680] going to miss stuff or I'm not going to
[00:58:05.280] fully be able to uh um uh convey what
[00:58:10.160] I'm trying to say on my own. So you
[00:58:12.000] always need other people to come in and
[00:58:13.359] take a look at at what you're you know
[00:58:14.799] putting together for these
[00:58:15.920] documentaries. I Brian Davis Kum. Davis
[00:58:19.599] um won a an Emmy for co-writing and
[00:58:22.720] editing um The Social Dilemma for
[00:58:24.559] Netflix. He's got a a new documentary
[00:58:26.400] that he was editor of. Your listeners
[00:58:28.880] should absolutely watch this. It's the
[00:58:31.040] most important documentary um in the
[00:58:33.680] last 10 years. It's called The AI Doc.
[00:58:36.400] It's got a longer title, but the main
[00:58:37.839] title is The AI Doc. And um it's by the
[00:58:41.839] guy who did Nelania um Oscar winner,
[00:58:44.400] etc. And um and it uh it it focuses on,
[00:58:50.799] you know, for me what what I was trying
[00:58:54.000] to do and and what he gave me. Like I
[00:58:56.640] had it, okay, I had a clip where Travis
[00:58:58.960] Walton is playing the guitar.
[00:59:01.599] It was a a nice personal moment playing
[00:59:03.839] the guitar and in what we were trying to
[00:59:06.720] do which is to get people
[00:59:09.280] um who haven't you know again by UFO
[00:59:12.240] curious to come and take a look at this.
[00:59:14.400] We didn't want to to do anything that
[00:59:17.760] that wasn't that wouldn't be in a
[00:59:19.839] science documentary. I doubt you would
[00:59:21.440] have someone playing a a guitar. And so
[00:59:24.640] it was a little thing going okay fine
[00:59:26.319] I'll edit that out. It was only, you
[00:59:28.000] know, 10 15 seconds and I'll put in a
[00:59:29.920] bonus material thing, you know, at a
[00:59:31.760] later time. The thing that I had to edit
[00:59:34.079] out, which which Davis was like, it's
[00:59:36.079] too much. And I agreed was talking about
[00:59:39.920] the four different types of beings
[00:59:42.640] and getting into that. Again, it's super
[00:59:46.640] super important that we're reaching um
[00:59:51.040] people that are like, and I've just
[00:59:52.799] started to do that. That's a whole
[00:59:54.000] another story. But just start to connect
[00:59:55.680] with people that gave testimonies at the
[00:59:57.119] hearings, ex-military guys who uh have
[00:59:59.920] seen the dock who were like, "Oh my god,
[01:00:02.000] this is, you know, we'll stand behind
[01:00:03.599] this because it's not it doesn't get too
[01:00:05.920] much in it."
[01:00:07.280] >> And I had this whole section edited and
[01:00:09.599] animated. It was really fun. It was two
[01:00:12.319] two detectives, cops looking into a
[01:00:16.160] through a two-way mirror. And they've
[01:00:18.000] got the holster with the guns. They've
[01:00:19.280] got a cigarette. It was film noir, like
[01:00:21.040] drawn film noir with a little smoke
[01:00:22.640] going up. And we go through the the
[01:00:24.880] two-way mirror and we see a police
[01:00:27.040] lineup and it's dark and there's these
[01:00:28.880] spotlights. And we see
[01:00:31.760] on one side uh of of the lineup, we've
[01:00:34.960] got the gray aliens.
[01:00:37.119] Then we've got the mantis, then we've
[01:00:39.440] got the reptilians, and then we've got
[01:00:41.040] the Nordics. And I break all that down,
[01:00:44.160] and I brought in uh uh Craig um oh, I
[01:00:47.680] don't want to mispronounce his last
[01:00:48.640] name. wrote the book the
[01:00:49.920] extraterrestrial I believe the
[01:00:51.200] extraterrestrial encyclopedia about all
[01:00:53.119] these creatures. So I had a section of
[01:00:54.799] that and and I thought okay well I agree
[01:00:57.760] with Davis it might be a little bit too
[01:00:59.040] much and so uh then Hal put off on diary
[01:01:04.480] of a CEO with Dan Farah he talks about
[01:01:08.559] there being four main uh non-human
[01:01:11.839] intelligences and I'm like okay so now
[01:01:14.799] they're talking about it so maybe I
[01:01:16.960] could have put that in there but there's
[01:01:18.799] so much stuff as you've seen in the dock
[01:01:20.480] that's already you know juicy and
[01:01:22.240] scentilating
[01:01:23.359] scintillating that this will be a bonus
[01:01:26.079] thing that I'll that I will release and
[01:01:27.839] it was just a you know a threeminut
[01:01:29.359] segment but yeah
[01:01:31.680] >> that's fair the the AI doc one is the AI
[01:01:34.079] doc or how I how I became an apocalyp
[01:01:37.440] apocaloptimist that'll be the one that's
[01:01:39.680] the full
[01:01:40.960] >> it's all about basically it's all about
[01:01:42.480] the AI technology that's coming which is
[01:01:44.480] a whole other conversation because
[01:01:46.559] >> uh and I just gave a panel um with um
[01:01:49.280] Paul Heinik and Deep Prasad with Thomas
[01:01:52.160] Jane where we talked about
[01:01:54.240] >> Yeah. We talked about how um uh
[01:01:56.880] technology is is changing and it's
[01:01:58.799] almost going to put us at the same
[01:02:00.319] playing field potentially as a
[01:02:02.880] technology that's been demonstrated by
[01:02:04.319] the NHIS. And so what does that mean for
[01:02:06.559] mankind?
[01:02:08.480] >> Well, I'm going to give you the final
[01:02:09.760] minute here, Dean, to promote the
[01:02:11.599] documentary. Why should people watch it?
[01:02:13.839] How can people watch it? and anything
[01:02:15.680] you want to do to kind of get them on
[01:02:17.520] board
[01:02:19.359] >> because I will be holding um people
[01:02:21.599] hostage if they do not watch it and uh
[01:02:24.480] you'll need to send me a receipt so I
[01:02:26.160] know that you have watched it um um why
[01:02:29.440] they should see this if you are at all
[01:02:31.520] interested at all interested in the
[01:02:34.799] experiencers and again that term's been
[01:02:36.880] used a lot I was talking to Karen Austin
[01:02:39.280] about it recently that it's it's used in
[01:02:42.559] like you know I saw something or you
[01:02:45.440] know a light in the sky that those
[01:02:47.280] people there's you know it's I guess
[01:02:49.280] it's a spectrum like close encounters of
[01:02:51.359] the fifth kind or fourth kind sixth
[01:02:53.680] seventh eighth um I'm talking about
[01:02:56.319] people who have been abducted and who
[01:02:58.720] who prefer to be called experiencers the
[01:03:00.960] abductions if you're at all interested
[01:03:03.280] this is the movie that covers all of
[01:03:06.000] that this is the the film that all the
[01:03:09.680] things I hope that you've wanted to see
[01:03:11.839] questions that you've had and the cases
[01:03:13.680] and to get into it. This is this is what
[01:03:16.880] you'll see in a condensed, you know, 85
[01:03:19.119] minute, 84 minute um you know,
[01:03:21.920] bite-sized chunk. Also, I just want to
[01:03:24.000] say it's super fun. Like, there's humor,
[01:03:27.280] there's levity in it. The animation is
[01:03:29.680] award-winning. Um uh and we've won two
[01:03:32.720] awards, the film, and uh and because
[01:03:35.280] right now we're starting to pivot into
[01:03:38.559] giving the experiences a seat at the
[01:03:40.160] table at the hearings. It's it's going
[01:03:41.359] to be coming. It's right around the
[01:03:42.480] corner. So, this is the first thing that
[01:03:44.559] I would see if I was interested in
[01:03:46.880] seeing um you know what's coming.
[01:03:49.359] >> Awesome.
[01:03:49.839] >> And they can also see it at um uh
[01:03:52.720] experiencersmov.com.
[01:03:55.440] That's the website that they can go to.
[01:03:57.039] Experiencers.com
[01:03:58.720] and that'll have links to Amazon and
[01:04:01.039] Apple. And I'm on uh Instagram under my
[01:04:03.440] name, Dean Aliota.
[01:04:05.359] >> Awesome. And I'll make sure those links
[01:04:07.119] are below as well in the description as
[01:04:09.039] always, folks. What I'm going to ask
[01:04:10.720] Dean to do is can you give me another
[01:04:12.319] couple of minutes of your time and just
[01:04:14.000] for the folks who pay for the podcast, a
[01:04:15.839] little bit of bonus content. I just want
[01:04:17.680] a couple more questions with you. Not
[01:04:19.680] documentary related, but just kind of
[01:04:22.079] current situation. If you'll do that for
[01:04:23.680] me.
[01:04:24.480] >> Absolutely.
[01:04:25.839] >> And folks, um, that's an excellent way
[01:04:27.599] to do that. You don't ask the guest
[01:04:29.119] beforehand. You do it while you're
[01:04:30.319] recording with them on the spot and they
[01:04:32.480] feel more inclined to do so. Um, but
[01:04:34.559] yeah, Dean will stick around with me for
[01:04:36.160] another couple of minutes, but make sure
[01:04:37.520] you go check out the documentary. I
[01:04:39.039] watched that again today. Um, I'm very
[01:04:41.119] fortunate I get to see these things in
[01:04:42.720] advance. Thank you to Dean for sending
[01:04:44.559] me that over. But I highly recommend it.
[01:04:46.640] And remember, if I don't recommend a
[01:04:48.559] documentary, I'll just tell you it looks
[01:04:50.240] really nice is what I've done to other
[01:04:52.319] documentaries in the past. If people go
[01:04:54.160] back and listen through the the catalog,
[01:04:56.240] and now Dean knows that for future. If
[01:04:57.839] you ever come on and I go, it looks
[01:04:59.599] really nice, you'll go, "Ah, he thought
[01:05:01.680] it was shit." So there you go.
[01:05:03.760] >> Thanks for the warning.
[01:05:05.119] >> Yeah. But we'll leave it there, folks.
[01:05:06.480] And I'll have Dean back on soon. But if
[01:05:08.160] you're on any of the paid platforms,
[01:05:10.000] thank you for keeping on. Thanks for
[01:05:11.599] supporting. And you'll hear a little bit
[01:05:13.680] more from Dean in the next couple of
[01:05:15.039] seconds.