michels buchanan i operated a ufo 1sxmSMzqnmA

[00:00:01.309] [music]
[00:00:03.040] >> If we develop our psychic ability,
[00:00:06.080] we are going to be a power in the
[00:00:07.680] universe
[00:00:09.440] because we can see [music]
[00:00:11.080] way into the future,
[00:00:13.000] anywhere in space. That's why our
[00:00:15.640] friends want us out there and our
[00:00:18.280] enemies don't want us off this planet.
[00:00:24.080] >> You have experienced so much both in the
[00:00:26.680] world of remote viewing. You are the
[00:00:29.240] inspiration for the men who stared at
[00:00:30.800] goats. An incredible George Clooney
[00:00:32.599] movie about a psychic spy stopping a
[00:00:35.400] goat's heart. So, you must have had a
[00:00:37.200] very high clearance.
[00:00:38.760] >> Oh, yeah. I had one of the highest
[00:00:40.320] clearances not only for the remote
[00:00:42.520] viewing but for other stuff that will
[00:00:45.040] never be talked about.
[00:00:46.480] >> You remote viewed alien bases.
[00:00:48.760] >> The four major alien bases on the Earth.
[00:00:51.960] One in Mount Hayes, Alaska. Mount Zeal
[00:00:55.760] in Australia.
[00:00:57.480] >> Secret mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in
[00:01:00.200] Sedona, Arizona. Mount Inyangani is
[00:01:03.440] another alien base. Have you ever seen
[00:01:06.520] humans and aliens [music] working side
[00:01:08.560] by side in a non-remote viewing
[00:01:11.160] capacity?
[00:01:12.080] >> Yeah. One of the What do they call the
[00:01:14.480] insectoids? Wow. They were sitting in a
[00:01:17.320] row of humans that were at the positions
[00:01:20.200] working [music] some equipment.
[00:01:22.360] >> Wow. You've seen a UFO inside a hangar.
[00:01:25.360] >> That's where I came across this control
[00:01:27.280] panel and that's when I said, "Hey,
[00:01:29.680] that's the side of a UFO."
[00:01:31.480] >> So, how do you fly a UFO? [music]
[00:01:33.720] >> An impression of a hand on it where you
[00:01:36.640] put your finger over the hole controls
[00:01:38.720] the ship.
[00:01:40.000] The alien was there. He took me up
[00:01:41.960] front. He was the pilot. So, I tried it
[00:01:44.680] and I learned how to do it.
[00:01:47.600] >> People like you with high psi powers,
[00:01:50.320] elite-level skilled.
[00:01:51.720] >> Yeah.
[00:01:52.120] >> You can do a lot.
[00:01:53.000] >> We can change the weather anywhere
[00:01:54.626] [music] in the world.
[00:01:55.840] >> This takes mutually assured destruction
[00:01:57.840] to a whole new level.
[00:01:58.800] >> The Russians look across the battlefield
[00:02:01.200] and kill their enemies by stopping their
[00:02:03.040] hearts.
[00:02:05.360] Our government was afraid of us.
[00:02:07.720] With the remote viewing, there's no more
[00:02:09.720] secrets.
[00:02:14.276] >> [music]
[00:02:16.080] >> My biggest strength actually is
[00:02:17.840] accessing people mentally.
[00:02:20.160] >> Mhm.
[00:02:21.400] >> Can you access me mentally right now?
[00:02:25.320] >> The ignition sequence start.
[00:02:28.686] >> [music]
[00:02:29.240] >> How is this possible?
[00:02:31.640] >> Nothing too unusual about that.
[00:02:35.236] >> [music]
[00:02:35.360] >> Their existence can no longer be denied.
[00:02:47.520] >> Here with Lynn Buchanan, this is a total
[00:02:50.000] honor and I don't know if you know this,
[00:02:51.680] but this is a full circle moment for me
[00:02:53.400] because right when I started my show,
[00:02:55.880] I called Jeffrey Mishlove cuz I was a
[00:02:57.959] huge fan of his show New Thinking
[00:02:59.800] Allowed and I need to still have him on
[00:03:02.440] as a guest,
[00:03:04.000] but he recommended I interview you and I
[00:03:06.400] almost did this road trip across New
[00:03:08.160] Mexico and so you would have been the
[00:03:10.440] first American Alchemy guest.
[00:03:13.120] >> Well, hey, that's that's an honor for
[00:03:15.360] me. Well, it's an honor for me to be
[00:03:16.840] here today. Thank you.
[00:03:18.560] >> It's an honor for me to have you. I
[00:03:20.120] think
[00:03:21.200] without spoiling too much for the
[00:03:22.560] audience,
[00:03:23.800] you have experienced so much
[00:03:26.160] >> All right.
[00:03:26.480] >> both in the world of remote viewing and
[00:03:29.200] you know, you were stationed at Fort
[00:03:30.600] Meade and you are the inspiration for
[00:03:33.480] The Men Who Stare at Goats, this you
[00:03:35.400] know, incredible George Clooney movie
[00:03:37.040] about a psychic spy stopping a goat's
[00:03:39.880] heart and we can talk about whether how
[00:03:42.000] real that is,
[00:03:43.560] um but you also have all these kind of
[00:03:45.600] intersections with you know, you remote
[00:03:47.320] viewed alien bases, you've seen a UFO
[00:03:50.720] inside a hangar, not just in some sort
[00:03:53.400] of liminal consciousness remote viewing
[00:03:55.640] space.
[00:03:56.240] >> Mhm.
[00:03:56.800] >> And so,
[00:03:58.080] uh I don't know. There's so many things
[00:04:00.000] you have you've had uh you've remote
[00:04:01.800] viewed political figures, religious
[00:04:03.760] figures.
[00:04:05.040] Um
[00:04:05.600] there's a lot to to to get into here.
[00:04:07.440] So, I'm very excited to have you.
[00:04:09.480] >> I have lived in interesting times.
[00:04:12.832] >> [laughter]
[00:04:13.360] >> You have and and you are uh
[00:04:15.560] subtly referring to the, you know,
[00:04:17.320] Confucian proverb "It's better to live
[00:04:19.440] in interesting times." Which is actually
[00:04:21.079] kind of a Confucian curse, so it's
[00:04:23.312] >> [laughter]
[00:04:24.560] >> We live in interesting but bad times.
[00:04:26.760] >> Yeah.
[00:04:27.360] >> It's true.
[00:04:29.208] >> [laughter]
[00:04:30.720] >> Uh well, before I have you remote view
[00:04:32.800] uh Hanta virus and, you know, whatever's
[00:04:35.103] [laughter] going to whatever's going to
[00:04:36.720] come down the pipe, um
[00:04:38.600] I want to start with your kind of origin
[00:04:41.160] story as far as how you got into the
[00:04:42.840] remote viewing program.
[00:04:44.160] >> Most people look at all of the people
[00:04:47.040] who were remote viewers in the remote
[00:04:49.240] viewing unit and never ask what they did
[00:04:51.560] before.
[00:04:52.640] We all had serious military histories
[00:04:56.200] before that.
[00:04:57.640] Um
[00:04:58.720] I was in Augsburg, Germany. Ever since I
[00:05:02.320] was about 12 years old, I had this PK
[00:05:05.760] ability.
[00:05:07.520] Uh
[00:05:09.040] like a poltergeist kid. Do you know what
[00:05:11.120] that is?
[00:05:11.840] >> No.
[00:05:12.320] >> A poltergeist kid is one of those kids
[00:05:14.520] where when they get emotionally upset,
[00:05:16.760] things fall off shelves and things like
[00:05:18.520] that.
[00:05:18.919] >> So, you were like Matilda.
[00:05:20.600] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:21.608] >> [laughter]
[00:05:21.800] >> Yeah.
[00:05:22.480] And that's actually more common than
[00:05:25.120] people realize, but people grow out of
[00:05:27.960] it.
[00:05:28.800] And uh my mother encouraged it.
[00:05:31.720] And so, I sort of grew into it.
[00:05:35.000] >> You fried a computer?
[00:05:37.360] >> Yeah. Um
[00:05:39.400] in Augsburg,
[00:05:41.120] they had 12 different countries
[00:05:45.960] in that one facility,
[00:05:48.920] and they all had their own computers,
[00:05:50.760] their own computer systems and all that
[00:05:53.360] that didn't talk to each other.
[00:05:55.680] Well,
[00:05:56.760] uh
[00:05:57.600] I can program computers. So,
[00:06:00.520] they put out this thing
[00:06:03.040] where they wanted somebody to program to
[00:06:05.640] write a program that would tie all 12
[00:06:07.600] computers together
[00:06:09.840] and [snorts] get them talking to each
[00:06:11.080] other.
[00:06:12.040] This one of the sergeant, uh wanted the
[00:06:14.760] job. Um I wanted the job and I got it.
[00:06:19.280] So, about 9 months later, I had the
[00:06:23.120] program written
[00:06:25.040] and uh came the time to demonstrate it.
[00:06:29.240] And all the generals from 12 different
[00:06:31.880] countries got together and all
[00:06:34.400] and uh
[00:06:35.880] I went to the bathroom to make sure my
[00:06:38.360] hair was in place and no wrinkles in my
[00:06:40.840] uniform and all that and I came back
[00:06:44.280] did my little song and dance for the
[00:06:46.240] generals and then hit the enter key
[00:06:49.560] to start the program
[00:06:52.120] and the computer went dead. And I mean,
[00:06:55.560] I had tested this thing over and over
[00:06:57.880] and over.
[00:06:59.240] And they all started laughing at me.
[00:07:02.680] Uh I turned around and the other
[00:07:04.560] sergeant was at the back door of the
[00:07:06.560] room
[00:07:07.880] and
[00:07:09.080] he said
[00:07:10.520] "Gotcha." and turned around and walked
[00:07:12.840] off.
[00:07:14.000] He wanted that job. And he was just
[00:07:16.919] waiting.
[00:07:18.240] I got flaming angry.
[00:07:21.600] When I did, the entire
[00:07:25.120] field station went down.
[00:07:27.160] Uh [snorts] there was an estimate
[00:07:29.120] sometime later that um
[00:07:31.640] it was about 50 million dollars worth of
[00:07:34.040] computers that just
[00:07:36.680] went bad. Fried. And uh
[00:07:39.815] >> [gasps]
[00:07:40.160] >> so for the next
[00:07:42.280] period of time that's still classified,
[00:07:45.240] we were Everybody at the field station
[00:07:47.960] was
[00:07:49.320] going to work, taking their crossword
[00:07:51.760] puzzle books,
[00:07:53.120] all this,
[00:07:54.280] you know, making it look like to the
[00:07:56.120] Russian spy in the sky like business as
[00:07:59.120] usual.
[00:08:00.440] Come to find out later, the Russians
[00:08:02.320] were doing the same thing over in East
[00:08:04.000] Germany
[00:08:05.280] because it had fried their computers,
[00:08:07.160] too.
[00:08:08.400] And um
[00:08:10.400] So, anyway, and this is documented, by
[00:08:13.400] the way. So, anyway, um General
[00:08:16.400] Stebbins, the head of the Intelligence
[00:08:18.640] and Security Command,
[00:08:20.425] >> [sighs and gasps]
[00:08:20.840] >> had been looking for something like
[00:08:22.919] that.
[00:08:24.360] He got wind of it, and um
[00:08:27.600] he came
[00:08:29.240] uh to the field station to install a new
[00:08:31.600] commander.
[00:08:33.200] And uh
[00:08:34.800] when
[00:08:36.200] he came, they came to my desk, and they
[00:08:38.840] said,
[00:08:40.360] "The general wants to see you." And I
[00:08:43.280] thought,
[00:08:44.520] "Crap, what have I done now?" you know.
[00:08:46.720] And uh he installed a new commander.
[00:08:50.400] He and the new commander came back to
[00:08:52.400] the office, and I was standing there
[00:08:54.839] waiting, and he
[00:08:58.160] looked at my name tag, and he said,
[00:08:59.680] "You're Sergeant Buchanan." I said,
[00:09:01.160] "Yes, sir." He said, "Follow me."
[00:09:04.240] He grabbed me by the arm and shoved me
[00:09:06.080] ahead of him.
[00:09:08.240] Now, you walk behind the general. He
[00:09:10.280] shoved me ahead of him. We went into the
[00:09:12.400] new commander's office.
[00:09:14.440] He turned to the new commander and said,
[00:09:17.080] "I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan.
[00:09:19.280] Get out."
[00:09:22.000] You can guess what list I went to the
[00:09:24.320] head of.
[00:09:26.240] And I was there for another 2 months at
[00:09:28.800] the top of that list.
[00:09:29.960] >> What list?
[00:09:31.440] >> Uh the list.
[00:09:33.131] >> [laughter]
[00:09:35.400] >> And uh anyway, about 2 months later they
[00:09:39.080] got transferred to Fort Meade.
[00:09:43.400] And, um, General Stubblebine wanted to
[00:09:46.520] put me
[00:09:48.320] as the
[00:09:50.000] beginning of a unit that would destroy
[00:09:53.760] enemy computers.
[00:09:56.040] And with the end goal of controlling the
[00:09:59.240] enemy computers so that we could make
[00:10:01.200] their missiles turn around and go back
[00:10:02.800] or drop into the sea or something like
[00:10:04.640] that. Or put false information into the
[00:10:07.520] enemy computers.
[00:10:09.880] Congress said, uh,
[00:10:12.120] "No, that's mind control."
[00:10:14.720] And wouldn't fund it.
[00:10:17.840] So, he took me out to Fort Meade and,
[00:10:20.760] um,
[00:10:22.600] had that
[00:10:23.840] remote viewing unit. He took me out
[00:10:26.120] there and put me into that.
[00:10:29.320] And when they read me on, which is where
[00:10:31.960] they
[00:10:33.320] they give you a sheet of paper that
[00:10:34.720] tells you what the unit really does, not
[00:10:37.400] what they tell the public it does.
[00:10:39.680] And, uh, you read that and down at the
[00:10:41.839] bottom you sign it.
[00:10:43.960] Um, 10 years in jail and $10,000 fine if
[00:10:47.520] you reveal any of this.
[00:10:49.760] And so, I read it and I thought, "This
[00:10:53.320] is a joke."
[00:10:54.880] The Army doesn't do psychic stuff.
[00:10:58.440] And, um,
[00:11:01.560] come to find out they did.
[00:11:03.880] And that's how I got into the unit.
[00:11:06.440] Uh, they started teaching me the Ingo
[00:11:09.160] Swann method.
[00:11:11.000] And, um,
[00:11:12.560] I took to it like a duck to water. I
[00:11:15.200] mean, it's the greatest thing I'd ever
[00:11:16.600] seen.
[00:11:17.360] >> So, Stubblebine, who's head of
[00:11:20.080] in Army INSCOM, is that right?
[00:11:22.320] >> Intelligence and Security Command, yeah.
[00:11:24.360] >> Intelligence and Security Command, and
[00:11:26.520] he's looking for people like you with
[00:11:28.760] high psi powers.
[00:11:30.360] >> Yes, he has had been for for years,
[00:11:33.200] yeah. Uh-huh.
[00:11:34.000] >> So, he's like if we're in Stranger
[00:11:35.600] Things, you're like 11 and he's like
[00:11:38.200] Matthew Modine's character coming in.
[00:11:40.480] >> I guess, yeah.
[00:11:41.800] >> Saying this guy has some real real
[00:11:43.560] powers.
[00:11:44.480] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, because uh
[00:11:48.000] I found out years later um I was at the
[00:11:51.240] Bureau of Indian Affairs
[00:11:53.400] in the cafeteria and I was sitting there
[00:11:56.000] and this
[00:11:57.120] Aussie
[00:11:58.560] officer
[00:11:59.800] came up from Australia, yeah.
[00:12:01.920] And asked if he could sit down and I
[00:12:03.640] said, "Sure, you know." And
[00:12:06.160] so he sat at the table with me and
[00:12:07.760] started
[00:12:09.160] uh talking to me and said my name.
[00:12:14.200] And I said,
[00:12:15.880] "How do you know my name?"
[00:12:17.920] He said, "Oh, your picture is on the
[00:12:20.960] wall of one of our computer people." He
[00:12:23.000] said, "You know, you're the one that
[00:12:24.240] knocked out our computers over in
[00:12:25.840] Australia." Yeah.
[00:12:29.400] Oh, I did.
[00:12:31.240] So, uh
[00:12:32.560] so
[00:12:34.200] I was
[00:12:35.480] flaming mad that day.
[00:12:37.920] >> Clearly.
[00:12:39.000] >> And very
[00:12:39.808] >> [laughter]
[00:12:41.080] >> That's wild. Yeah, it's interesting cuz
[00:12:43.560] uh Stubborn Mind works with a guy named
[00:12:45.920] John Alexander. Has a long history with
[00:12:47.839] him. Yeah, John. And Alexander always
[00:12:50.160] pops up where the paranormal is, too,
[00:12:53.440] you know, when uh John Hutchison is
[00:12:56.040] getting his effect, you know, like you
[00:12:58.000] know, levitating objects in California.
[00:13:00.200] >> Yeah.
[00:13:00.440] >> Alexander's tasked with looking into it.
[00:13:02.839] >> Quite a host of a Pandora's box of
[00:13:04.480] different types of effects on the outer
[00:13:07.080] edge of
[00:13:08.400] of the scientific community.
[00:13:10.560] >> In this remarkable series of video clips
[00:13:13.120] shot by Hutchison, we see what happens
[00:13:15.600] when he fine-tunes the electromagnetic
[00:13:17.680] frequencies aimed at target objects in
[00:13:19.920] his garage.
[00:13:20.920] >> It's almost like there's this uh pal
[00:13:23.320] paranormal investigations unit within
[00:13:26.240] the military.
[00:13:27.040] >> Oh, there has been for a long time.
[00:13:29.160] Yeah, and it's been
[00:13:31.440] all subterfuge and, you know,
[00:13:35.080] hush-hush and all that. But, that's been
[00:13:37.240] going on for a long time, you know.
[00:13:39.560] >> How long has that been going on for?
[00:13:41.440] >> I would say since World War II.
[00:13:43.240] >> Mhm.
[00:13:43.760] >> Um
[00:13:45.400] when um
[00:13:47.360] I was in Russian school
[00:13:49.440] in California.
[00:13:51.360] Um Monterey, California.
[00:13:53.880] I did become a Russian linguist.
[00:13:56.600] Um which was my method of service, MOS.
[00:14:00.960] Uh I was officially a Russian
[00:14:04.360] linguist
[00:14:05.720] um intercept operator.
[00:14:08.440] Uh and with a caveat of technology.
[00:14:13.720] That was
[00:14:15.000] my military MOS.
[00:14:17.680] And um
[00:14:19.240] one of the teachers
[00:14:21.240] came in one day
[00:14:23.360] and
[00:14:24.840] said that she had been
[00:14:27.229] >> [sighs and gasps]
[00:14:27.800] >> in the
[00:14:29.480] Russian
[00:14:30.839] psychic
[00:14:32.440] warfare program.
[00:14:34.839] And she brought me uh some
[00:14:37.839] um
[00:14:39.400] reading material in Russian
[00:14:41.960] from uh
[00:14:43.880] Colonel
[00:14:44.920] Igor Pinkovsky
[00:14:47.200] who tried to defect from
[00:14:49.560] from Russia.
[00:14:51.080] And it said that um
[00:14:53.480] Adolf Hitler had had a unit called Dr.
[00:14:57.600] Greenbaum in Germany.
[00:15:00.600] And um
[00:15:02.040] that it um
[00:15:04.520] did medical experiments on the Jews and
[00:15:07.440] all this. But, one part of it was also
[00:15:11.360] um psychic spying. When the
[00:15:16.480] Germans lost the war, the French,
[00:15:18.880] English, and the Americans didn't want
[00:15:22.520] any of this psychic stuff,
[00:15:24.840] you know, so the Russians took it.
[00:15:27.880] And they had developed it or by the
[00:15:30.280] 1960s,
[00:15:33.360] we were losing classified information
[00:15:36.120] like crazy. And they couldn't find any
[00:15:38.640] ground agents, they couldn't find
[00:15:40.200] anybody.
[00:15:41.520] And that's when Igor um Penkovsky tried
[00:15:45.520] to defect and brought
[00:15:47.800] the documentation that said
[00:15:50.840] the Russians had been doing that.
[00:15:54.120] Everybody had a laugh about that,
[00:15:56.680] but the intelligence service doesn't
[00:15:59.360] laugh.
[00:16:00.240] >> [laughter]
[00:16:00.680] >> They're laughing anything.
[00:16:02.520] And uh so they said,
[00:16:05.560] "Well, if the Russians can do that,
[00:16:07.920] let's do it right back at them."
[00:16:10.160] And so uh
[00:16:11.840] they went out and hired um
[00:16:14.320] Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, who were
[00:16:16.800] laser physicist,
[00:16:19.160] who had published a paper
[00:16:21.960] showing how the intentions
[00:16:25.280] of the researcher
[00:16:28.600] can even affect a laser light beam.
[00:16:32.640] And you know, with the double double
[00:16:34.720] slit double slit experiment and all
[00:16:36.640] that. So, they gave them the um
[00:16:40.640] uh
[00:16:42.120] an initial contract. They contacted Ingo
[00:16:45.480] Swann. Ingo Swann developed the
[00:16:48.920] methodology called controlled remote
[00:16:51.000] viewing.
[00:16:52.440] They started a remote viewing unit.
[00:16:55.240] And that unit had been in existence 10
[00:16:58.080] years before I got there.
[00:17:00.040] >> Wow.
[00:17:00.760] >> Yeah.
[00:17:01.920] >> And so you primarily worked at Fort
[00:17:04.360] Meade, is that right?
[00:17:05.520] >> Yeah. Mhm.
[00:17:06.480] >> And you're going into work and you just
[00:17:08.720] have your fellow psychic spies at work.
[00:17:10.959] And it what is it like you sit at a
[00:17:12.280] cubicle, you're given targets?
[00:17:14.160] >> That's it.
[00:17:14.680] >> And you got to go.
[00:17:15.400] >> Yeah.
[00:17:16.221] >> [laughter]
[00:17:16.640] >> But the targets are sometimes world
[00:17:18.720] leaders?
[00:17:20.199] >> Oh, usually world leaders, um,
[00:17:22.880] their plans and intentions for the day,
[00:17:25.400] um, for the next day of battle.
[00:17:27.920] Um,
[00:17:29.080] Saddam Hussein, um,
[00:17:32.800] never stood a chance.
[00:17:34.562] >> [laughter]
[00:17:35.360] >> We knew what he was going to do every
[00:17:36.920] day. And in fact, you know, for the
[00:17:39.000] longest time they were looking for
[00:17:40.400] Saddam Hussein,
[00:17:42.422] >> [snorts]
[00:17:42.440] >> we knew exactly where he was. We turned
[00:17:44.840] it in every day. They knew where he was.
[00:17:46.880] >> Did you ever personally remote view
[00:17:48.520] Saddam Hussein?
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[00:19:32.640] Did you ever personally remote view
[00:19:34.240] Saddam Hussein?
[00:19:35.720] >> Almost every day.
[00:19:37.360] >> What was he like?
[00:19:38.760] >> He was crazy.
[00:19:40.960] >> How so?
[00:19:42.000] >> He was totally crazy. Yeah.
[00:19:44.160] Um
[00:19:45.160] he 100% believed that God wanted him to
[00:19:50.200] rule the world.
[00:19:52.480] And that uh
[00:19:55.000] anybody who
[00:19:57.080] would stop him from ruling the world
[00:20:00.280] was of the devil and had to be killed.
[00:20:02.880] >> Really?
[00:20:03.640] >> Simple as that. Yeah. I mean, he was
[00:20:05.560] crazy.
[00:20:06.120] >> Delusions of grandeur?
[00:20:07.480] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:20:08.360] >> That makes sense because when there was
[00:20:11.040] all this kind of
[00:20:12.760] chatter about Iraq having WMDs, weapons
[00:20:16.400] of mass destruction after 9/11,
[00:20:18.640] >> Yeah.
[00:20:18.880] >> which was this bizarre conflation on
[00:20:20.960] behalf of the American intelligence
[00:20:22.440] agencies where like you had al-Qaeda,
[00:20:25.640] >> Yeah.
[00:20:25.960] >> hanging out in Afghanistan and then you
[00:20:28.200] had Saddam who, you know, maybe there
[00:20:30.200] was this like long-held grudge since
[00:20:31.880] Desert Storm, desire to take him out.
[00:20:34.760] But like he wasn't connected with 9/11.
[00:20:36.880] If anything, he was an enemy of Osama
[00:20:38.400] bin Laden.
[00:20:39.280] >> Yeah.
[00:20:39.560] >> But there was this implication that he
[00:20:40.840] had weapons of mass destruction.
[00:20:42.480] >> Yeah.
[00:20:42.880] >> And he could have simply said, "I don't
[00:20:44.960] have weapons of mass destruction." and
[00:20:46.720] held some, you know, large press
[00:20:48.680] conference to that effect. But maybe
[00:20:50.720] this makes sense in the context of his
[00:20:52.400] delusions of grandeur kind of psychology
[00:20:55.600] where he just continued to grandstand
[00:20:57.440] despite not even having weapons of mass
[00:20:59.520] destruction.
[00:20:59.960] >> He wanted the world to be afraid of him.
[00:21:01.040] >> Yeah.
[00:21:01.560] >> Mhm.
[00:21:02.520] >> Was there anything else,
[00:21:04.080] I don't know, any other like random
[00:21:05.560] details about his life? Like
[00:21:07.880] did he have, you know, did he enjoy some
[00:21:09.920] weird hobby that like you wouldn't
[00:21:11.440] expect, like froquet or something like
[00:21:13.480] that?
[00:21:13.560] >> I was never tasked with that.
[00:21:15.280] >> Okay.
[00:21:15.680] >> So, I never really went into it. One of
[00:21:17.880] the things about the
[00:21:20.320] military, the US military remote viewing
[00:21:23.040] effort.
[00:21:24.480] Um
[00:21:26.040] we were
[00:21:28.040] strictly told to never use this for
[00:21:30.760] personal reasons,
[00:21:32.760] which was total waste of
[00:21:35.280] an order.
[00:21:36.480] But, uh
[00:21:37.880] also
[00:21:39.480] and we did follow this.
[00:21:42.800] We were told that it was a
[00:21:47.160] federal offense and we would go to jail
[00:21:50.200] if we used it against US citizens.
[00:21:55.160] And then, the third rule was you will
[00:21:58.360] use it only for what we tasked you to
[00:22:00.600] use.
[00:22:01.200] >> Mhm.
[00:22:01.840] >> Because, I mean, our government was
[00:22:03.880] afraid of us.
[00:22:06.040] Cuz, you know, with the remote viewing,
[00:22:08.200] there's no more secrets.
[00:22:10.000] >> Can you remote view the Q codes?
[00:22:12.800] >> I
[00:22:13.520] could. I've never been tasked to do so.
[00:22:15.920] >> That's scary. And
[00:22:18.440] so, what
[00:22:19.560] weirds me out about remote viewing is if
[00:22:22.640] you can remote view the Q codes and then
[00:22:24.880] you have these open-source protocols,
[00:22:27.160] Ingo Swann's, you know, teachings on
[00:22:29.240] remote viewing are public. Your
[00:22:30.560] teachings on remote viewing are public.
[00:22:33.160] >> What's stopping some rogue Al-Qaeda
[00:22:36.960] operative from doing that with our
[00:22:39.520] assets?
[00:22:39.840] >> Well, to be totally honest, uh
[00:22:43.800] the what we teach to the public
[00:22:47.080] is probably about 1/10 of what we know
[00:22:50.120] about remote viewing.
[00:22:51.200] >> Okay.
[00:22:52.120] >> Um
[00:22:53.240] there's um and
[00:22:55.080] Ingo uh
[00:22:57.880] Ingo
[00:22:59.280] personally developed up through stage
[00:23:01.320] 18.
[00:23:03.480] He
[00:23:04.640] offered to teach me up through stage 11,
[00:23:08.160] but at the time he did, my wife was
[00:23:11.200] extremely ill, my mother was dying, I
[00:23:14.280] didn't get a chance to go up there,
[00:23:16.600] and before all that
[00:23:18.520] got over and settled, he had already
[00:23:21.200] passed away. So, I never learned up
[00:23:23.600] through stage 11.
[00:23:25.200] But, um
[00:23:26.280] >> So, there are a lot of levels and
[00:23:28.120] there's rigorous training to get really,
[00:23:30.440] really good.
[00:23:31.120] >> And all we ever teach to the public is
[00:23:33.120] stage one through six.
[00:23:35.120] >> Mhm.
[00:23:35.680] >> Yeah.
[00:23:36.240] >> Interesting.
[00:23:37.000] >> Yeah.
[00:23:38.480] >> Well, I'm almost wondering like on the
[00:23:40.560] Saddam thing,
[00:23:42.080] I almost want to press on like is there
[00:23:43.920] a detail you can share
[00:23:46.200] that's counterintuitive, where that, you
[00:23:48.200] know, most people wouldn't be able to
[00:23:49.680] know in kind of open-source world?
[00:23:52.120] And then I wonder if that sort of, uh,
[00:23:53.920] you know, allows like, uh, you know,
[00:23:55.400] some random researcher or somebody who
[00:23:56.920] knew him
[00:23:57.640] >> Yeah.
[00:23:58.040] >> to come out from the woodwork and then
[00:24:00.040] reach out and they say, "Oh, yeah, I can
[00:24:01.600] verify that, you know, this is something
[00:24:03.560] about it."
[00:24:04.280] >> Uh, not that I can think of.
[00:24:06.840] Um
[00:24:07.640] we were, um
[00:24:09.600] tasked to
[00:24:12.000] uh, remote view his facility that he
[00:24:15.400] had, his his own personal facility.
[00:24:18.680] And, um
[00:24:20.280] the [clears throat] facility,
[00:24:22.440] of course, [snorts] had no weapons or
[00:24:24.600] anything like that.
[00:24:25.906] >> [gasps]
[00:24:26.320] >> And, um
[00:24:28.040] so,
[00:24:29.760] for some reason,
[00:24:31.680] while we were doing that, cuz we had to
[00:24:33.360] draw maps as well,
[00:24:35.440] you know, accurate maps of the facility
[00:24:37.520] and of any target we did.
[00:24:39.800] And, um
[00:24:42.320] there was something about the
[00:24:45.200] generators
[00:24:46.960] that got me. He had a little facility,
[00:24:49.600] he had his own generators to power the
[00:24:52.480] facility and all that, so he was totally
[00:24:54.440] off grid.
[00:24:55.880] And there was something about that, and
[00:24:57.560] so
[00:24:58.640] I
[00:25:00.440] mentally went in, you know, queued to
[00:25:02.920] move inside the facility inside that
[00:25:05.520] building
[00:25:06.840] and describe.
[00:25:09.600] And one of those generators just seemed
[00:25:13.040] wrong.
[00:25:17.000] And I couldn't figure out why, and so
[00:25:20.080] I just focused in on that one generator,
[00:25:22.640] found out that it was hollow
[00:25:24.920] and it it would tilt back, and when it
[00:25:27.560] tilted back, there were steps going down
[00:25:30.200] into a weapons bunker that you wouldn't
[00:25:32.760] believe.
[00:25:33.720] >> Wow.
[00:25:34.320] >> I mean, a weapons bunker that was
[00:25:37.160] that was stocked fully.
[00:25:39.920] >> So, like a trapdoor?
[00:25:41.200] >> It was like a it was like a false door,
[00:25:43.400] yeah.
[00:25:43.760] >> What sort of weapons?
[00:25:44.800] >> Uh they had everything. They had
[00:25:46.200] rockets, they had uh lasers, they had
[00:25:49.880] you know, bombs,
[00:25:51.640] uh
[00:25:51.960] >> So, they did have artillery. They did
[00:25:53.720] have an arsenal.
[00:25:55.160] >> Oh, they had an arsenal.
[00:25:56.360] >> But no,
[00:25:57.120] >> He had an arsenal on his
[00:25:59.600] on his private place.
[00:26:01.000] >> That makes sense.
[00:26:01.920] >> Yeah, it was under there.
[00:26:03.240] >> That's wild.
[00:26:04.120] >> Yeah.
[00:26:04.520] >> But no nukes.
[00:26:06.000] Obviously.
[00:26:06.960] >> I didn't uh
[00:26:08.920] I was just seeing the physical things,
[00:26:11.040] so I don't know.
[00:26:11.720] >> So, he just had all these sort of crazy
[00:26:13.880] armaments.
[00:26:14.600] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:26:15.120] >> For his own little compound, yeah.
[00:26:16.840] Probably big compound.
[00:26:17.960] >> Yeah.
[00:26:18.568] >> [laughter]
[00:26:18.720] >> Fascinating.
[00:26:19.600] >> Yeah.
[00:26:20.360] >> Interesting. So, um you are the
[00:26:22.560] inspiration for Cassidy in The Men Who
[00:26:25.520] Stared at Goats.
[00:26:26.520] >> Yeah.
[00:26:27.080] >> And in the movie, he stops a goat's
[00:26:30.080] heart. He kills a goat.
[00:26:32.000] >> In the movie, he did.
[00:26:33.560] >> Did you ever kill a goat?
[00:26:35.200] >> I didn't do that. That was another
[00:26:37.240] sergeant, and it actually happened.
[00:26:39.680] >> No way.
[00:26:40.440] >> But I didn't do it.
[00:26:41.640] >> You wouldn't have done that.
[00:26:42.640] >> is, you in the movie
[00:26:44.680] >> Mhm.
[00:26:44.960] >> you see him leaving in the helicopter.
[00:26:46.680] >> Mhm.
[00:26:47.400] >> From what I've heard
[00:26:49.840] uh
[00:26:51.600] the guy who did did kill the goat
[00:26:54.920] experienced dying with the goat.
[00:26:57.760] >> Wow.
[00:26:59.240] >> And it upset him so much
[00:27:02.560] that in the end he stole a helicopter
[00:27:05.680] and disappeared and they haven't looked
[00:27:07.440] for him since.
[00:27:08.200] >> No way.
[00:27:09.240] >> And what he did with the helicopter I
[00:27:10.960] don't know.
[00:27:12.120] And but they said he's disappeared and
[00:27:14.320] they haven't looked for him.
[00:27:16.000] >> So the guy killed the goat, felt sort of
[00:27:17.840] some sort of symbiotic doubling of
[00:27:20.720] feeling with the goat, went through his
[00:27:21.960] own death.
[00:27:22.640] >> with him, you know.
[00:27:23.680] >> And then got so psychologically
[00:27:25.640] disturbed that he stole a helicopter and
[00:27:28.160] was never seen again.
[00:27:29.160] >> That's the story that I hear from the
[00:27:31.720] Great Pyramid.
[00:27:32.400] >> Who was this guy?
[00:27:33.600] >> Oh, he was just one of the sergeants
[00:27:36.120] that was in the First Earth Battalion.
[00:27:38.080] >> Wow.
[00:27:38.920] >> Uh they were doing all kinds of stuff
[00:27:40.520] like that.
[00:27:41.040] >> Do you remember anybody like did he have
[00:27:42.960] a boss or
[00:27:44.760] >> Jim Channon, yeah.
[00:27:45.760] >> Jim Channon was this guy's boss.
[00:27:47.840] >> Wow.
[00:27:48.440] >> I know how to do it.
[00:27:51.040] And uh
[00:27:52.400] I won't teach it to anybody.
[00:27:54.600] >> That's a scary prospect. So you think
[00:27:56.760] teams of remote viewers can literally
[00:27:58.680] kill other people and animals.
[00:28:02.200] >> remote viewer can.
[00:28:03.280] >> A single remote viewer can.
[00:28:04.520] >> And the scary part is
[00:28:07.400] it is so easy to do.
[00:28:11.040] >> So that's freaky first of all.
[00:28:13.840] >> Yeah.
[00:28:14.200] >> Second of all, I'm sure there are a
[00:28:16.680] whole host of skeptics out there who are
[00:28:18.440] saying why are not world leaders
[00:28:21.240] dropping like flies,
[00:28:23.080] you know?
[00:28:23.680] >> Well, because you
[00:28:26.960] you know,
[00:28:30.320] why are world leaders dropping like
[00:28:32.160] flies, okay?
[00:28:33.680] Because we know what they want, we know
[00:28:36.880] what they're going to do and all that.
[00:28:39.040] You drop one of them, you get an unknown
[00:28:41.360] in.
[00:28:42.680] >> Mhm.
[00:28:43.720] >> And you have to start all over. The
[00:28:45.120] intelligence services have to start all
[00:28:47.120] over. No, you want to keep them.
[00:28:50.040] >> So, you think if somebody gets out of
[00:28:52.120] hand enough, like if you were to replay
[00:28:54.320] World War II,
[00:28:55.960] >> Yeah.
[00:28:56.240] >> presumably if, you know, the allies had
[00:28:58.600] this capability,
[00:29:00.640] by 1941 or two, they would have remote
[00:29:04.560] viewed tried to kill Hitler.
[00:29:08.080] >> Oh, yeah. And Hitler was already working
[00:29:11.160] on this.
[00:29:12.400] Um Uh the Russians, after they got all
[00:29:15.240] of this,
[00:29:16.360] had a woman named Nina Kulagina,
[00:29:19.080] who was stopping the hearts of rats and
[00:29:21.160] rabbits and things like that.
[00:29:23.320] And uh wound up dying of a heart attack,
[00:29:26.000] by the way.
[00:29:27.080] But uh she was already working on that.
[00:29:29.800] The Russians were working on it
[00:29:32.520] to uh
[00:29:34.240] have their troops be able to look across
[00:29:37.200] the battlefield and
[00:29:40.440] kill their enemies by stopping their
[00:29:42.000] hearts.
[00:29:43.040] >> You realize this
[00:29:44.960] takes mutually assured destruction to a
[00:29:46.760] whole new level.
[00:29:47.720] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:29:48.240] >> Goes well beyond nuclear capabilities.
[00:29:51.480] >> Yeah. Mhm.
[00:29:52.640] >> It's so crazy. So, it's almost like
[00:29:56.120] the world's pretty locked down on a
[00:29:58.360] go-forward basis. If you can do this at
[00:30:00.200] will, it's not just nukes. It's, you
[00:30:03.120] know,
[00:30:04.840] we might have pandemics, we might have
[00:30:06.640] sort of asymmetric, you know, bizarre
[00:30:09.080] attacks, which, you know, are are
[00:30:11.080] horribly destructive.
[00:30:13.000] But the idea of all-out war seems pretty
[00:30:15.840] hard if you can just at will decapitate,
[00:30:18.920] you know, your your enemies.
[00:30:20.240] >> Well, yeah. And it it already is. You
[00:30:22.520] know, the thing is, um
[00:30:24.720] we don't need tanks and airplanes at all
[00:30:27.080] anymore.
[00:30:28.480] Uh we can change the weather anywhere in
[00:30:31.120] the world. The Russians have earthquake
[00:30:33.440] weapons.
[00:30:34.800] They can cause an earthquake at
[00:30:36.200] Yellowstone that'll wipe out the center
[00:30:38.080] US.
[00:30:39.360] Um if they
[00:30:41.960] cause an earthquake on La Palma Island
[00:30:46.080] that's strong enough,
[00:30:48.000] the side of that volcano is already
[00:30:50.080] split off 5 ft.
[00:30:52.440] If it falls into the ocean, it's facing
[00:30:55.360] the US.
[00:30:56.800] If it falls into the ocean, 15 cubic
[00:30:59.800] kilometers
[00:31:02.080] of
[00:31:03.120] of land will hit the ocean all at once.
[00:31:06.560] And the US Geological Survey has
[00:31:09.480] predicted
[00:31:10.960] that that would cause a tsunami that in
[00:31:13.960] some places would wipe out up to 26
[00:31:17.360] miles inland on the
[00:31:19.160] East US coast.
[00:31:21.760] That's already known by the US
[00:31:23.240] Geological Survey.
[00:31:24.840] >> Are you worried about that?
[00:31:26.240] >> I'm not. Things like that um
[00:31:30.080] would be so disastrous that I don't
[00:31:32.480] think any country wants it.
[00:31:33.920] >> Mhm.
[00:31:34.720] >> And uh
[00:31:36.320] and like I say, mutual destruction. They
[00:31:39.800] do that to us, we'll destroy them. And
[00:31:43.600] no, I don't I don't think it's a thing,
[00:31:45.720] but
[00:31:47.000] the whole thing is that now war is just
[00:31:51.440] a money-making thing.
[00:31:53.280] >> Mhm.
[00:31:54.280] >> It really is.
[00:31:55.200] >> Mhm.
[00:31:56.240] >> Um I mean
[00:31:57.880] you we fight each other
[00:32:00.640] because of the weapons we have. Why not
[00:32:03.200] take out the weapons manufacturers?
[00:32:06.480] >> Mhm.
[00:32:07.600] >> We don't do that. There's too much money
[00:32:09.680] involved.
[00:32:10.440] >> Mhm. I want to get into the logical
[00:32:13.000] conclusions of what you're saying
[00:32:14.240] because
[00:32:14.960] >> Mhm.
[00:32:15.560] >> this means advancement in remote viewing
[00:32:18.120] is sort of advancement in your ability
[00:32:19.880] to sort of control the world, you know,
[00:32:21.760] geopolitical landscape. Because I'll
[00:32:24.240] look at somebody like, you know, Trump
[00:32:26.480] or Kim Jong-un or some of these leaders,
[00:32:29.200] they might be more predictable than
[00:32:30.840] their detractors say. You know, their
[00:32:32.360] detractors say, "Oh, they're completely
[00:32:33.720] irrational. They're crazy. Whatever."
[00:32:35.400] Maybe they're more rational than we
[00:32:37.240] think.
[00:32:38.320] But
[00:32:39.240] >> Mhm.
[00:32:40.320] >> Trump kind of shoots from the hip. You
[00:32:42.440] know, I think some of these other
[00:32:43.480] leaders at times Do you think? Right?
[00:32:46.080] You know, they kind of go on these
[00:32:47.280] little you know, escapades and
[00:32:49.520] adventures and and and and act in
[00:32:52.080] discretionary ways. They're not just
[00:32:53.840] extensions of the bureaucracy.
[00:32:56.040] And so, to the extent
[00:32:58.640] that gets out of hand for any party that
[00:33:01.840] knows how to do this remote viewing
[00:33:03.480] technique, they can just sort of
[00:33:06.920] act out against that. I mean, cuz that
[00:33:08.960] that's a scary prospect.
[00:33:11.040] Is there a defense against that?
[00:33:12.160] >> talked to this
[00:33:14.040] talked about this to anybody. I may as
[00:33:16.200] well do it now. Okay?
[00:33:18.880] Um I have been
[00:33:21.480] in-depth remote viewing this.
[00:33:24.323] >> [gasps]
[00:33:25.000] >> Um
[00:33:28.120] Do you know the term OWOG?
[00:33:30.400] >> No.
[00:33:31.360] >> O W O G, One World One Government.
[00:33:37.120] We're going into space.
[00:33:39.800] Okay?
[00:33:42.280] And
[00:33:44.000] many of the
[00:33:46.680] beings that are already out there
[00:33:49.160] don't want us out there the way we are.
[00:33:52.640] And at some point
[00:33:55.640] when we get into space, we're going to
[00:33:57.760] have to have one world
[00:34:00.360] one government to at least some extent.
[00:34:04.120] And if one country destroys another
[00:34:08.240] then
[00:34:10.560] it blocks that.
[00:34:13.520] And uh
[00:34:16.840] from what I'm finding
[00:34:19.240] the powers that
[00:34:20.879] actually are behind the governments and
[00:34:23.840] run the governments
[00:34:25.840] uh want us to have one world one
[00:34:28.360] government to prepare us for space.
[00:34:31.399] >> Who are the powers that are behind the
[00:34:33.200] government?
[00:34:33.840] >> I wish I knew.
[00:34:35.280] >> But you are convinced
[00:34:36.440] >> I if I knew I wouldn't say.
[00:34:38.760] They'd bump me off real quick.
[00:34:40.760] >> I think that's probably the right the
[00:34:42.280] right move. But you're convinced that
[00:34:44.639] our civilian leaders are not that the
[00:34:46.760] front-facing leaders that we see are not
[00:34:49.200] the true power in government.
[00:34:50.560] >> there though, you know,
[00:34:52.360] the the man behind the curtain. That's
[00:34:55.600] you know, like in The Wizard of Oz.
[00:34:57.640] Yeah, that's
[00:34:59.000] >> And it's not just it's it's an actual
[00:35:01.960] Wizard of Oz or
[00:35:04.880] a mechanical Turk to use another term.
[00:35:07.760] >> Uh-uh.
[00:35:08.080] >> It's not Okay, but it's not it's What
[00:35:09.960] you're saying is it's not just a bunch
[00:35:11.560] of guys in bureau you know, bureaucratic
[00:35:14.280] positions who are lifelong
[00:35:16.520] politicians.
[00:35:17.640] >> no, no.
[00:35:17.840] >> It's it's it's a a vital group that like
[00:35:20.840] has deliberate intentions
[00:35:23.520] >> They just organizing everything, you
[00:35:25.320] know.
[00:35:26.200] You know.
[00:35:26.520] >> So like a a true deep state.
[00:35:28.760] >> A true deep state, yeah. And it exists.
[00:35:31.800] But um
[00:35:33.880] uh
[00:35:36.080] you know,
[00:35:37.080] >> What makes you convinced of that?
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[00:37:22.640] >> What makes you convinced of that?
[00:37:24.840] >> The viewing that I've done.
[00:37:26.840] Um
[00:37:28.280] and
[00:37:29.600] >> They must be cuz
[00:37:31.800] they must be more advanced at the
[00:37:34.120] psychic stuff. That has to be the way I
[00:37:36.120] mean, if the psychic stuff is true. So,
[00:37:38.280] like let's just assume that it is. I
[00:37:40.280] think it is, but there are people out
[00:37:41.800] there that don't. Let's just assume that
[00:37:43.040] it is. I know you've lived it. You're so
[00:37:44.960] far past that debate. But, let's assume
[00:37:47.160] that that's true.
[00:37:48.800] I think I I I love how so how many
[00:37:50.120] people hear that it's true and then they
[00:37:51.840] stop there.
[00:37:52.840] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:37:53.200] >> The logical conclusion of the psychic
[00:37:55.400] stuff being true is a very different
[00:37:58.000] stratification of society itself. It's a
[00:38:00.200] different social hierarchy, and it's
[00:38:02.200] basically the people who are most
[00:38:03.520] advanced in this stuff have to have the
[00:38:06.280] Archimedes lever of control.
[00:38:08.120] >> Yeah. Let me divert this whole
[00:38:10.880] conversation here to that.
[00:38:13.400] Uh
[00:38:14.680] when um they started
[00:38:17.840] the research on remote viewing,
[00:38:21.160] what they did was they would take your
[00:38:23.000] complete session and see how accurate it
[00:38:25.440] was.
[00:38:27.760] What we found out was that everybody has
[00:38:31.080] strengths and weaknesses.
[00:38:33.120] And so one person
[00:38:35.560] may get the color right all the time.
[00:38:40.240] And couldn't tell you the shape of
[00:38:41.920] something if, you know,
[00:38:43.920] uh if if they had to.
[00:38:46.880] Other person Other person will get the
[00:38:48.640] shape
[00:38:49.720] but not relationships or sounds or
[00:38:52.440] something like that.
[00:38:54.120] And so everybody has strengths and
[00:38:55.760] weaknesses. So when I started
[00:38:59.120] what
[00:39:01.560] 30 years ago
[00:39:03.080] was a database that I've kept ever since
[00:39:06.480] of viewers' work. And we actually go
[00:39:09.600] through
[00:39:10.840] perception by perception by perception
[00:39:14.752] >> [gasps]
[00:39:15.560] >> judging it against the feedback.
[00:39:18.240] If you have the police come and they
[00:39:21.120] say, "Well, describe the
[00:39:24.160] describe the getaway car."
[00:39:26.120] You need to know the shape, the age, and
[00:39:28.680] all that of the getaway car.
[00:39:30.960] I will look in the database
[00:39:33.120] and say, "Who is always right at color?"
[00:39:38.040] Uh
[00:39:39.120] now then,
[00:39:40.200] "Who is always right at
[00:39:42.800] drawing a pattern?"
[00:39:45.160] Uh
[00:39:46.440] task him with a license plate.
[00:39:49.000] "Who's always right at the shape of the
[00:39:52.240] of an object?"
[00:39:54.040] Uh draw me the car.
[00:39:56.680] You know?
[00:39:57.720] And and and so on. And by doing this
[00:40:01.520] we can take the
[00:40:04.240] uh we can take
[00:40:06.280] 10 remote viewers who have an overall
[00:40:09.600] average of 70% accuracy and by tasking
[00:40:13.360] them only with what they're best at
[00:40:17.040] we can turn 95% accuracy into a
[00:40:20.360] customer.
[00:40:22.040] And uh doing it that way.
[00:40:24.480] Uh but uh
[00:40:26.640] that's
[00:40:28.080] tons of work.
[00:40:29.920] And that in itself
[00:40:33.400] has turned into the
[00:40:36.920] proof.
[00:40:38.320] Cuz you know, used to they would say,
[00:40:40.600] "Show me your proof."
[00:40:42.200] Now they say, "Show me your data."
[00:40:45.360] And we've got the data.
[00:40:48.418] >> [laughter]
[00:40:49.040] >> And And so that winds up being the proof
[00:40:53.720] of the efficacy of
[00:40:56.120] the controlled remote viewing.
[00:40:57.600] >> What's your biggest strength?
[00:40:59.640] >> My biggest strength actually is
[00:41:01.400] accessing people mentally.
[00:41:03.720] >> Mhm.
[00:41:04.920] Could you access me mentally right now?
[00:41:07.160] >> Uh wouldn't.
[00:41:08.723] >> [laughter]
[00:41:09.120] >> I'd be fine with it.
[00:41:10.400] >> No. Uh
[00:41:12.120] um
[00:41:13.760] I am on retention.
[00:41:16.280] >> Uh-huh.
[00:41:17.080] >> I'm not
[00:41:19.040] officially retired. I'm on retention.
[00:41:21.160] >> Uh-huh.
[00:41:21.800] >> And as far as I'm concerned, um
[00:41:25.320] presidential order 12333 still applies
[00:41:28.520] to me.
[00:41:29.840] >> Mhm.
[00:41:30.920] >> I do not
[00:41:32.800] access
[00:41:34.360] US citizens, period.
[00:41:36.960] >> Yeah. Cool.
[00:41:38.160] >> do it.
[00:41:38.720] >> Nice. Well, well, I guess we were
[00:41:40.840] getting into this stuff
[00:41:42.560] cuz I I'm a believer in parapsychology
[00:41:45.400] remote viewing.
[00:41:46.360] >> Yeah.
[00:41:47.040] >> But I think very few people get into
[00:41:49.480] what that means for what society
[00:41:52.200] actually looks like and how it's built.
[00:41:54.400] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:41:55.480] >> Because if somebody has some sort of
[00:41:57.360] vital team that's extremely like
[00:41:59.440] elite-level skilled at these sorts of
[00:42:01.720] things, you can do a lot.
[00:42:04.520] >> Yeah.
[00:42:05.054] >> [laughter]
[00:42:05.480] >> And so like it's funny to
[00:42:08.400] >> understatement. Yeah.
[00:42:09.320] >> Yeah, right. Yeah,
[00:42:11.480] it is a British understatement. So I you
[00:42:13.720] know, I hear you saying
[00:42:16.040] because of your remote viewing work
[00:42:17.440] you're convinced in a deep state. I
[00:42:19.840] would assume the deep state would have
[00:42:21.800] to be like even more skilled and better
[00:42:24.640] at these sorts of things, right? Then
[00:42:26.880] like
[00:42:27.520] >> No.
[00:42:28.080] >> No?
[00:42:28.560] >> No.
[00:42:29.600] >> So what what are they better at? Like
[00:42:32.200] >> what's
[00:42:33.360] They're in control. They decide what's
[00:42:34.800] going to happen.
[00:42:35.920] >> Yeah.
[00:42:36.360] >> But if you have like ultimate leverage
[00:42:38.400] over like psychic abilities, you're in
[00:42:40.880] control no matter what, right? Like
[00:42:42.720] >> And they don't need that.
[00:42:43.960] >> Why don't they need that?
[00:42:45.120] >> Because they're in control. What do they
[00:42:46.840] need it for? They get somebody who can
[00:42:48.280] do it.
[00:42:48.840] >> Couldn't you stop them
[00:42:50.720] because you're, you know, psychic and
[00:42:53.320] you have like a team that's psychic?
[00:42:54.600] >> attack.
[00:42:56.320] You don't You don't attack a gorilla.
[00:42:58.764] >> [laughter]
[00:43:00.800] >> Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:43:03.520] No,
[00:43:04.600] there's self-preservation involved here.
[00:43:08.240] >> You mentioned Ingo Swann.
[00:43:09.680] >> Yeah.
[00:43:10.240] >> Ingo Swann uh is a legendary remote
[00:43:12.560] viewer, long deceased, but he uh is just
[00:43:16.600] has an incredible story and he wrote a
[00:43:18.360] book called Penetration where he talks
[00:43:20.840] about uh remote viewing the dark side of
[00:43:23.560] the moon.
[00:43:24.240] >> Yeah, and actual road and all that,
[00:43:26.160] yeah.
[00:43:26.440] >> Yeah, and being almost abducted by what
[00:43:29.360] appears to be like a legacy UFO program,
[00:43:32.000] taken underground.
[00:43:33.760] >> Uh really incredible story.
[00:43:37.120] Do you think all of that happened and do
[00:43:38.920] you think he actually remote viewed
[00:43:40.520] alien bases on the dark side of the
[00:43:42.040] moon?
[00:43:42.640] >> Yeah. Mhm.
[00:43:43.880] >> Really?
[00:43:44.560] >> Yeah.
[00:43:45.360] >> And what gives you conviction?
[00:43:46.600] >> that certain about the details of the
[00:43:49.120] actual road story, but the uh
[00:43:52.200] bases on the moon, yeah. They're there.
[00:43:54.440] [clears throat]
[00:43:55.200] >> Have you ever remote viewed
[00:43:56.480] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:43:57.160] >> alien bases?
[00:43:58.040] >> Yeah.
[00:43:59.080] >> And what did you see?
[00:44:00.600] >> Um
[00:44:01.560] basically what they were doing and uh
[00:44:04.800] and
[00:44:06.360] their location and things like that. You
[00:44:08.360] know, they're there, but
[00:44:10.160] they're not there
[00:44:11.600] only there on the moon, they're on other
[00:44:13.200] places, too, of course.
[00:44:14.600] >> What were they doing?
[00:44:15.960] >> Basically, what I got for most of them
[00:44:18.960] was minerals.
[00:44:21.600] They're just interested in minerals.
[00:44:24.000] Uh nothing
[00:44:26.480] no skulduggery or anything like that,
[00:44:28.560] nothing,
[00:44:29.960] you know.
[00:44:30.640] >> Is the moon an artificial object uh
[00:44:33.360] sent here to monitor Earth?
[00:44:35.520] >> I don't believe so.
[00:44:36.720] >> Okay.
[00:44:37.670] >> [laughter]
[00:44:37.960] >> So, they're just mining minerals on the
[00:44:39.480] moon?
[00:44:40.160] >> That's what I got.
[00:44:41.720] >> Mhm.
[00:44:42.040] >> Yeah.
[00:44:42.440] >> Mhm. Interesting. What sorts of aliens
[00:44:45.800] were up there?
[00:44:46.960] >> I
[00:44:48.960] didn't go into that. No, the
[00:44:52.120] alien bases, the four major alien bases
[00:44:56.240] on the Earth, I did those in in-depth,
[00:45:00.040] but um
[00:45:01.920] the
[00:45:03.160] the ones on the moon, I was just tasked,
[00:45:06.080] you know, what's going on, where are
[00:45:07.480] they, what's it look like, and all that.
[00:45:10.000] So. Yeah, this is what I was tasked to
[00:45:12.160] do.
[00:45:12.680] >> This is Project 8200, right, where Pat
[00:45:15.440] Price had seen four
[00:45:17.560] >> saw uh the four alien bases.
[00:45:20.440] And um
[00:45:22.200] they did Project 80 200
[00:45:26.640] before I got there.
[00:45:28.360] However, after I got there,
[00:45:30.640] um Skip Atwater was
[00:45:34.400] having us do those sort of to keep track
[00:45:37.960] of what's going on at those as as time
[00:45:41.920] goes on.
[00:45:43.080] The uh one in Mount Hayes, Alaska,
[00:45:47.240] um
[00:45:49.160] Pat Price and Jim McMonagle had found um
[00:45:53.840] aliens and
[00:45:56.000] and humans working side by side
[00:45:58.680] as sort of an intelligence gathering
[00:46:01.200] place.
[00:46:02.520] And uh
[00:46:04.240] years later when I got there,
[00:46:06.920] um I did Mount Hayes and found out that
[00:46:09.840] the equipment was now automated
[00:46:13.240] and still running.
[00:46:15.320] But there is no need for personnel
[00:46:17.240] there, so it was basically kind of empty
[00:46:20.160] of people.
[00:46:21.280] >> And what was the purpose of it?
[00:46:23.400] >> Um
[00:46:24.560] keeping intelligence on the US, I mean
[00:46:26.960] on the on the earth. Um just collecting
[00:46:30.320] data and
[00:46:32.800] signals and and all that.
[00:46:35.760] >> What would happen to me or an average
[00:46:38.640] civilian if we just went to Mount Hayes
[00:46:40.360] right now and tried to check this out?
[00:46:42.480] >> get
[00:46:43.760] lost and frozen.
[00:46:46.052] >> [laughter]
[00:46:46.720] >> I mean just it's all right. It's
[00:46:48.360] constantly under snow, you know, and I
[00:46:51.120] doubt you'd find your way in.
[00:46:53.280] >> Mhm. So, there's something on the inside
[00:46:55.240] of the mountain.
[00:46:56.120] >> Oh, it's inside the mountain, yeah.
[00:46:57.520] >> Mhm.
[00:46:58.400] So, similar to like the Cheyenne
[00:47:00.400] Mountain Complex
[00:47:01.600] >> Yeah.
[00:47:01.760] >> when it comes to the American
[00:47:02.800] government.
[00:47:03.480] >> Yeah.
[00:47:04.800] >> And do UFOs fly in and out?
[00:47:08.560] >> I didn't get that. No. And neither did
[00:47:11.280] Joe or or Pat Price. Now, where they fly
[00:47:14.680] in and out is in um
[00:47:17.080] Mount uh Zeal
[00:47:19.520] in northern um Australia.
[00:47:24.360] And uh
[00:47:26.160] see, I did all these blind.
[00:47:28.360] >> Mhm.
[00:47:28.880] >> Just you know, like everybody else. And
[00:47:32.400] um
[00:47:33.560] um
[00:47:35.280] the sketches that I drew,
[00:47:37.640] I mean matched Pat Price's
[00:47:40.200] down to the measurements and everything
[00:47:41.960] else. So, um that kind of confirmed it
[00:47:45.520] for me.
[00:47:46.680] But um Mount Zeal is sort of a port of
[00:47:50.440] entry to the earth.
[00:47:52.600] The
[00:47:53.360] friendly ones go there.
[00:47:56.760] And then from there spread out around
[00:47:58.680] the world.
[00:48:00.000] And
[00:48:01.040] uh Skip one time
[00:48:03.000] uh Skip at water.
[00:48:04.720] Um
[00:48:05.920] wanted some feedback and so he called a
[00:48:08.040] friend of his working in there in in in
[00:48:11.160] Australia
[00:48:12.600] and asked him if anything was going on.
[00:48:16.200] And he said, "No.
[00:48:18.560] Nothing happens here. It's the most
[00:48:20.240] boring job I've ever had if it weren't
[00:48:22.000] for all these UFOs going in and out of
[00:48:23.920] Mount Zeal. We don't have anything to do
[00:48:26.360] here."
[00:48:26.923] >> [laughter]
[00:48:27.280] >> Wow.
[00:48:28.280] >> Yeah.
[00:48:29.040] >> What what's the purpose of the UFOs
[00:48:30.920] going in and out? Are they refueling?
[00:48:32.720] Are they
[00:48:33.640] >> Uh no, it's sort of like a an airport.
[00:48:36.920] Just a port of entry.
[00:48:38.080] >> Mhm.
[00:48:38.960] >> No, uh and
[00:48:40.640] >> What makes it a good Is there like a
[00:48:42.280] reason why it's a good port of entry? Is
[00:48:44.720] there something, you know,
[00:48:45.720] geomagnetically anomalous about it or
[00:48:48.040] anything?
[00:48:48.200] >> I don't know. It's It's isolated. That's
[00:48:51.640] That's all I know.
[00:48:53.080] Um when I did that
[00:48:55.720] when Pat Price did that one, they let
[00:48:57.760] him know that they knew who was there
[00:48:59.920] and that scared him. He never went back.
[00:49:01.920] >> Mhm.
[00:49:02.920] >> When I viewed it
[00:49:05.440] the first thing that happened was they
[00:49:07.080] let me know
[00:49:08.400] that they knew I was there
[00:49:10.400] and that it was okay.
[00:49:12.520] And so um
[00:49:14.360] so I just went through the whole
[00:49:15.880] facility sketching and and uh
[00:49:19.600] >> What was that facility like?
[00:49:21.480] >> It was um basically two levels.
[00:49:24.960] One level was where the ships come in,
[00:49:28.600] settle into kind of a dock.
[00:49:31.114] >> [sighs and gasps]
[00:49:31.840] >> And uh
[00:49:33.520] passengers get on and off.
[00:49:36.800] And also the crew down below
[00:49:40.360] goes down, you know, goes down to the
[00:49:43.040] lower floor and that's the maintenance
[00:49:45.640] and and everything else.
[00:49:47.440] And um
[00:49:49.280] that is just sort of a an airport.
[00:49:52.640] I guess you could say.
[00:49:54.480] Uh now, one thing that happened with my
[00:49:57.160] view was
[00:49:58.920] something that they said they never
[00:50:00.320] heard before.
[00:50:02.960] In the
[00:50:04.440] area where the
[00:50:06.520] travelers, you know, go in and out,
[00:50:09.440] I saw a gray
[00:50:12.000] female with a baby gray.
[00:50:15.240] And I've never heard
[00:50:17.440] They said they've never heard of any
[00:50:19.280] anything like that on the earth before.
[00:50:21.560] You know, any
[00:50:23.120] observation of that. But, um
[00:50:26.440] yeah, they let me know it was okay to be
[00:50:28.120] there and hey, have a look around.
[00:50:31.520] >> Why do you think they let you
[00:50:33.560] just look around?
[00:50:34.480] >> I don't think they care.
[00:50:36.000] >> Mhm.
[00:50:37.200] >> You know,
[00:50:38.360] I mean, uh
[00:50:39.400] >> It's like, uh
[00:50:40.240] >> What have they got to fear from me? I
[00:50:42.720] >> It's like a zoologist or something going
[00:50:44.840] into
[00:50:45.920] the the jungle in Africa and looking at
[00:50:48.160] the gorillas or whatever. It's
[00:50:49.520] >> Yeah, they just say, "Oh,
[00:50:52.000] here's a gorilla that's bald, you know,
[00:50:54.000] welcome him in, you know."
[00:50:55.840] >> Right.
[00:50:56.360] >> Yeah.
[00:50:57.520] >> It's interesting. It's almost like, um
[00:51:00.480] when you learn
[00:51:02.280] deeply advanced remote viewing, maybe
[00:51:04.120] your epistemology, your way of knowing,
[00:51:07.320] kind of converges on theirs. It's like
[00:51:09.480] you
[00:51:10.040] >> It It does. Uh
[00:51:12.360] there are, um
[00:51:15.440] without going too deeply into it, um
[00:51:18.840] there are
[00:51:20.500] >> [sighs]
[00:51:22.000] >> even ways that you can physically change
[00:51:24.720] while you're remote viewing.
[00:51:26.760] Uh
[00:51:27.800] >> Really?
[00:51:28.400] >> Yeah.
[00:51:29.280] >> You can physically change.
[00:51:30.760] >> You can physically change.
[00:51:32.240] >> ever physically changed?
[00:51:33.840] >> Well, I was doing one of the Saddam
[00:51:36.240] Hussein things one time and the um
[00:51:40.400] the woman who was monitoring me at the
[00:51:43.600] time
[00:51:44.880] let out a scream and ran out of the
[00:51:46.600] building, you know?
[00:51:48.320] And uh
[00:51:49.960] I found out the next day she finally
[00:51:52.040] told me, she said, "Your eyes turned
[00:51:54.640] brown and your
[00:51:56.360] voice deepened."
[00:51:59.280] And uh
[00:52:01.120] and she said, "But your eyes turned
[00:52:03.240] actually brown."
[00:52:05.280] And uh so I just
[00:52:08.360] accessed him to that point.
[00:52:10.600] >> Wow.
[00:52:11.480] >> But I mean, I was accessing him every
[00:52:14.160] single day.
[00:52:15.480] >> Cuz your eyes I'm looking at them right
[00:52:16.800] now, you have you have beautiful eyes.
[00:52:18.560] >> I'm blue-eyed, yeah.
[00:52:19.480] >> Milky blue eyes.
[00:52:21.240] >> Yeah, uh-huh.
[00:52:21.640] >> So you your eyes turned to the same
[00:52:24.240] color as Saddam Hussein.
[00:52:25.360] >> said. That's what she told me, yeah,
[00:52:27.760] uh-huh.
[00:52:28.200] >> So it was like you were
[00:52:29.960] merging with him.
[00:52:31.080] >> Merging, sort of, yeah.
[00:52:32.680] >> Wow.
[00:52:33.600] >> So
[00:52:34.120] >> Like inhabiting him or something.
[00:52:36.200] >> Sort of sinking with him or something, I
[00:52:39.000] don't know.
[00:52:40.160] Uh
[00:52:41.200] I didn't know anything about it
[00:52:43.200] until she said,
[00:52:44.760] you know.
[00:52:46.040] >> You also remote viewed Gorbachev.
[00:52:48.720] >> Oh, yeah, uh-huh, yeah.
[00:52:50.080] >> What was he like?
[00:52:51.800] >> Oh, he was a nice guy. He really was.
[00:52:54.400] >> Seems like a nice guy from his public
[00:52:56.040] appearances.
[00:52:56.720] >> Oh, yeah, and um
[00:52:59.406] >> [clears throat]
[00:53:01.040] >> somebody critiques my my book, The
[00:53:03.360] Seventh Sense, by the way, I brought you
[00:53:05.240] a copy.
[00:53:05.880] >> Thank you.
[00:53:06.760] >> And I know people bring you books all
[00:53:09.240] the time that you can't read, you don't
[00:53:10.960] have time. So no obligation to read it,
[00:53:14.400] okay?
[00:53:15.000] >> It won't be a test.
[00:53:16.000] >> Oh, well, that means a lot. I've already
[00:53:17.680] read part of it, so
[00:53:19.056] >> [laughter]
[00:53:19.560] >> I won't come back and say, "What did you
[00:53:21.280] think about chapter seven?"
[00:53:23.080] >> Well, you can, it's okay. [laughter]
[00:53:25.480] Um You remote viewed Gorbachev and you
[00:53:28.120] said that he was a nice guy.
[00:53:29.520] >> somebody said in the book that I had um
[00:53:32.840] that I had
[00:53:34.520] um said that
[00:53:37.120] I
[00:53:38.360] convinced
[00:53:40.440] Russia to
[00:53:42.400] end communism.
[00:53:44.360] And that's not true.
[00:53:46.040] You know, at all.
[00:53:47.600] But, um
[00:53:49.160] I was over at the golf club one day
[00:53:51.360] there on Fort Meade eating lunch and uh
[00:53:55.360] two agents came in and sat at the far
[00:53:58.920] table and I mean
[00:54:03.280] they blend in so perfectly that they
[00:54:05.640] stand out.
[00:54:07.440] You know, you can get the vibe right
[00:54:09.600] there. Oh, these guys are, you know,
[00:54:12.520] uh not here to eat. And uh
[00:54:15.360] so I got up and left and when I did they
[00:54:18.200] followed me out to the parking lot.
[00:54:20.480] And they had me get in their car. They
[00:54:23.000] drove me around Fort Meade.
[00:54:25.320] And basically they said, uh you know, we
[00:54:28.320] want you to do things to affect
[00:54:31.800] Gorbachev and all this. And I said, "No.
[00:54:35.960] I'm not going to do that."
[00:54:37.760] Uh for one thing, we were
[00:54:40.680] this was another edict we had on us that
[00:54:43.120] there would be no active mental work.
[00:54:45.960] We were there to collect intelligence,
[00:54:48.120] not to do influencing or anything like
[00:54:50.480] that.
[00:54:51.560] And so I said, "No, that's
[00:54:54.200] I can go to jail for that, you know."
[00:54:56.080] And
[00:54:57.307] >> [sighs]
[00:54:57.720] >> so uh anyway, when I got out of the car,
[00:55:01.560] I don't know what made me say it, but
[00:55:03.800] just sort of to
[00:55:06.440] be nasty to those two guys,
[00:55:09.360] I leaned back down
[00:55:11.160] to the open door and I said,
[00:55:13.480] "But maybe I can make him end
[00:55:14.640] communism."
[00:55:16.040] You know.
[00:55:17.280] And anyway, when I got home that
[00:55:19.280] evening, I thought,
[00:55:21.520] "I wonder if I could do something like
[00:55:23.080] that." I said, "No, it's stupid, you
[00:55:25.640] know."
[00:55:26.560] So I started doing sessions and um
[00:55:29.760] what surprised me was
[00:55:33.240] the speech where they ended uh
[00:55:36.720] communism, the words in that speech were
[00:55:39.520] the words that I'd been pumping into
[00:55:41.240] him.
[00:55:42.200] >> No way.
[00:55:43.040] >> Yeah.
[00:55:43.560] >> Like what?
[00:55:44.240] >> Um well, it's all in Russian. But uh the
[00:55:46.840] >> But do you remember what words you were
[00:55:48.040] popping into him?
[00:55:48.880] >> Oh, yeah.
[00:55:49.400] >> Like what?
[00:55:50.320] >> Uh
[00:55:51.760] well, that's not the point I'm trying to
[00:55:53.360] make here.
[00:55:54.400] The point is that
[00:55:56.800] for a good year, year and a half before
[00:56:00.440] that,
[00:56:01.880] he was already planned to end planning
[00:56:03.880] to end communism.
[00:56:05.920] So, did I have any effect on that? No.
[00:56:09.840] I may have helped him with his speech.
[00:56:12.040] That was it.
[00:56:13.360] >> Do you remember how specifically you
[00:56:15.160] helped him at all or
[00:56:16.640] >> Uh one of the things I kept putting in
[00:56:18.800] was uh
[00:56:20.160] about
[00:56:21.760] the generations to follow and all this.
[00:56:24.440] >> That's amazing.
[00:56:25.400] >> Yeah.
[00:56:25.960] >> Wow.
[00:56:26.400] >> But um yeah, the the terms and the words
[00:56:29.360] I was I was pumping in
[00:56:32.000] uh
[00:56:33.640] he used in his speech.
[00:56:35.160] >> Mhm.
[00:56:35.760] >> So.
[00:56:36.440] >> About the generations to follow and you
[00:56:38.920] know, what the future of Russia might
[00:56:41.440] look like.
[00:56:42.360] >> Yeah.
[00:56:43.040] >> And Mount Inyangani is another alien
[00:56:46.840] base.
[00:56:47.360] >> In Ten- uh
[00:56:49.160] in Zim- Zimbabwe, yeah.
[00:56:51.280] Uh what I found out about that one was
[00:56:53.440] that it seems to be a repair facility,
[00:56:55.600] maintenance and repair facility.
[00:56:57.400] >> For what?
[00:56:58.720] >> For ET- for UFOs.
[00:57:00.560] >> For UFOs?
[00:57:01.400] >> Yeah.
[00:57:02.414] >> [gasps]
[00:57:02.760] >> No, I never did the one that was in the
[00:57:04.720] Pyrenees.
[00:57:05.640] >> Mhm.
[00:57:06.400] >> So, I'm not sure about it.
[00:57:08.160] >> Mhm. That's Mount Perdido.
[00:57:10.120] >> one, yeah.
[00:57:11.240] >> Mount Inyangani's interesting because
[00:57:13.000] people often go missing while they're
[00:57:15.720] hiking around Mount Inyangani.
[00:57:17.960] >> Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.
[00:57:19.200] >> Do you think there's a connection
[00:57:20.640] between that and this supposed alien
[00:57:22.560] base?
[00:57:23.240] >> You see too much, you disappear. Yeah.
[00:57:25.880] >> What happens to you?
[00:57:28.320] >> Uh
[00:57:30.880] you
[00:57:32.840] you don't exist anymore.
[00:57:34.509] >> [laughter]
[00:57:35.280] >> You die. Yeah.
[00:57:36.320] >> Oh, no.
[00:57:37.240] >> Yeah. They they guard things.
[00:57:40.000] >> They guard things tightly.
[00:57:41.120] >> Yeah. From what I've seen at
[00:57:44.040] uh Mount Zion
[00:57:46.800] and
[00:57:48.600] uh there in Zimbabwe, I think you also
[00:57:51.760] have the chance of
[00:57:53.880] becoming a worker.
[00:57:55.880] But you don't come back.
[00:57:57.640] >> Mhm.
[00:57:58.080] >> You know.
[00:57:58.600] >> Mhm.
[00:57:59.160] >> You don't go back home again.
[00:58:01.040] >> Really?
[00:58:01.720] >> Yeah.
[00:58:02.160] >> So they abduct you and make you work for
[00:58:04.480] them.
[00:58:04.960] >> I think it's voluntary. You have your
[00:58:07.080] choice between dying or
[00:58:09.520] or working.
[00:58:10.535] >> [laughter]
[00:58:10.880] >> What makes you think that they make
[00:58:12.920] certain people workers?
[00:58:14.480] >> Because there are humans working with
[00:58:16.000] them.
[00:58:16.960] >> Mhm.
[00:58:18.640] How do you know that? From your remote
[00:58:20.320] viewing?
[00:58:21.120] >> From the remote viewing, yeah. Um
[00:58:24.400] and also from other reports.
[00:58:27.240] You know, uh
[00:58:30.480] other viewing reports and actual
[00:58:33.600] reports.
[00:58:34.400] >> What are the human Are the humans like
[00:58:36.960] active managers or are they just
[00:58:39.040] underlings or
[00:58:39.960] >> I think they're just underling
[00:58:41.440] underlings, yeah.
[00:58:42.320] >> So they're like
[00:58:43.280] >> Yeah.
[00:58:44.120] >> sort of effectively slaves for these
[00:58:46.240] ETs?
[00:58:47.280] >> No.
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[01:01:37.800] >> While we're on the topic, about 5 years
[01:01:40.520] ago
[01:01:41.720] I was in El Paso
[01:01:43.760] and stopped at a restaurant.
[01:01:46.080] And I
[01:01:48.360] I
[01:01:49.240] came back out to the car, and when I
[01:01:51.280] did, two guys
[01:01:53.892] >> [sighs]
[01:01:54.480] >> two humans, okay?
[01:01:56.800] Uh came up and said
[01:02:00.040] "You're Len Bequette."
[01:02:03.200] You already knew that. Yeah. And I said,
[01:02:05.640] "Yes."
[01:02:06.640] And um
[01:02:09.080] they said, "Um
[01:02:11.040] we're interested in finding out
[01:02:12.760] something if you could find out for us,
[01:02:14.560] and that is
[01:02:16.560] who in the government is looking at the
[01:02:18.960] wedge of the DNA chart that says other."
[01:02:24.120] And I says "I have no idea."
[01:02:26.680] They said, "Well, could you find out?"
[01:02:28.920] Well
[01:02:30.520] Linda Moulton Howe is a good friend of
[01:02:32.160] mine, and so I said
[01:02:35.440] "Maybe Linda could answer the question."
[01:02:37.800] She knew it.
[01:02:39.360] I mean
[01:02:40.360] you talk about an investigative
[01:02:41.960] reporter. She's an investigative
[01:02:44.160] reporter. She knows. And she
[01:02:47.520] clicked off the names immediately.
[01:02:49.760] And um
[01:02:52.000] So, I asked them why.
[01:02:55.440] And he said
[01:02:57.840] "Back
[01:02:59.440] centuries and centuries ago
[01:03:02.800] when the ETs left the Earth, they took
[01:03:05.880] humans with them as slaves."
[01:03:09.320] And he said
[01:03:10.960] "We've been slaves for hundreds of
[01:03:13.480] generations
[01:03:15.000] on another planet.
[01:03:16.960] Our DNA has changed to match that.
[01:03:20.600] And he said,
[01:03:22.360] "Now that we're coming back here and
[01:03:24.200] serving
[01:03:26.200] to do the work at these bases,
[01:03:29.200] some of us are escaping."
[01:03:32.160] And he said,
[01:03:34.480] "We don't want to do anything in the
[01:03:35.840] government. We don't want any power. We
[01:03:37.560] don't want anything. We just want to be
[01:03:39.920] free.
[01:03:41.400] That's all we want."
[01:03:43.640] And he said, "We're afraid of that DNA
[01:03:47.160] test."
[01:03:48.800] >> Are those beings physiologically exactly
[01:03:52.160] the same as all of these humans?
[01:03:53.600] >> two guys were.
[01:03:54.920] >> Do they have any other sort of adaptive
[01:03:57.040] powers, behaviors, or traits based on
[01:03:59.880] their
[01:04:00.400] >> They were two guys in a parking lot. I
[01:04:02.440] don't know if it's true or not, but
[01:04:05.080] that's that's what happened.
[01:04:07.840] And uh
[01:04:09.440] and so
[01:04:11.360] I guess it's a possibility of being
[01:04:13.240] true. I don't know.
[01:04:14.440] >> So, those aliens that came
[01:04:17.960] here, you know, thousands of years ago,
[01:04:20.240] stories of like
[01:04:21.600] >> Yeah, Anunnaki and watchers and that
[01:04:23.800] sort of thing. Yeah, something like
[01:04:25.160] that, you know.
[01:04:25.680] >> So,
[01:04:26.600] they had, you know, humans working for
[01:04:29.440] them when they came originally, you
[01:04:31.360] know, call it 10,000-ish years ago.
[01:04:33.760] >> Yeah, and when they left, they took
[01:04:35.240] workers with them.
[01:04:36.360] >> They took workers with them. And then
[01:04:38.640] now they come back, occasionally visit
[01:04:41.000] some of these bases, and they bring the
[01:04:42.680] workers with them to work
[01:04:44.200] >> to do the work, to do the slave work,
[01:04:46.080] yeah.
[01:04:46.560] >> occasionally some of those workers
[01:04:48.360] escape.
[01:04:49.720] >> That's what these two guys told me.
[01:04:52.200] >> Mhm.
[01:04:53.880] >> Whether it's true or not, I don't know.
[01:04:56.280] That's just what they told me. But
[01:04:59.640] they told me in a way that I tended to
[01:05:02.000] believe it. I have no proof.
[01:05:04.360] >> Pat Price, who was originally
[01:05:06.640] responsible for viewing these four,
[01:05:09.520] you know, alien bases,
[01:05:10.920] >> Yeah.
[01:05:11.360] >> was one of the most skilled remote
[01:05:13.440] viewers of all time.
[01:05:14.880] >> He was a psychic.
[01:05:17.120] >> How would you make that distinction?
[01:05:19.240] >> A psychic is a person who
[01:05:22.440] has the natural ability
[01:05:25.560] and great strength and knows how to
[01:05:28.160] access it.
[01:05:29.760] >> A remote viewer is trained.
[01:05:31.640] >> A remote viewer
[01:05:33.560] >> A psychic is born.
[01:05:35.240] >> Yeah.
[01:05:35.880] >> Okay.
[01:05:36.440] >> I um
[01:05:37.680] the remote viewing that was made for the
[01:05:40.200] military
[01:05:41.560] wasn't made for psychics.
[01:05:43.760] The military didn't want psychics.
[01:05:45.800] >> Mhm.
[01:05:46.800] >> They wanted to teach
[01:05:48.560] the ordinary soldier how to know what's
[01:05:51.160] over the hill and where to point the
[01:05:52.520] guns.
[01:05:53.600] That's what they wanted.
[01:05:54.840] >> Are you a remote viewer or a psychic?
[01:05:56.640] >> I'm a remote viewer. Well,
[01:05:58.680] but I grew up with the PK ability and
[01:06:02.280] some psychic sense. Everybody has
[01:06:05.760] intuition to some extent. Okay?
[01:06:09.560] Uh
[01:06:10.200] some more than others and all that.
[01:06:12.560] But uh the controlled remote viewing
[01:06:16.280] is actually
[01:06:18.360] a martial art.
[01:06:20.520] Uh
[01:06:21.520] what happens is
[01:06:23.240] your subconscious knows something.
[01:06:26.840] It can't talk to the conscious mind
[01:06:29.360] without a psychiatrist couch.
[01:06:32.160] You know?
[01:06:33.160] And so
[01:06:35.200] it gives you a physical response.
[01:06:38.760] When you can learn consciously to read
[01:06:41.440] these physical responses and you can
[01:06:44.160] train those
[01:06:46.080] to to where it's a communication line
[01:06:49.720] then
[01:06:51.080] you can
[01:06:52.360] physically
[01:06:54.400] pass a question to your subconscious
[01:06:56.440] mind. It will cause a physical response.
[01:06:59.520] You read that physical response and
[01:07:01.200] you've got the answer.
[01:07:03.200] That's what controlled remote viewing
[01:07:04.880] is. It's actually a martial art.
[01:07:07.000] >> Mhm.
[01:07:08.240] Fascinating.
[01:07:09.080] >> Yeah. It's not
[01:07:11.360] Oh, the answer is, you know,
[01:07:13.536] >> [gasps]
[01:07:14.120] >> Oh, the answer is, put the question to
[01:07:16.160] your forehead, and the answer is it's
[01:07:17.680] not there at all.
[01:07:18.920] >> Do you have a sense of how it
[01:07:20.120] mechanically works, or are we sort of in
[01:07:22.920] the stone age as far as you know, with
[01:07:24.520] like a a radio signal?
[01:07:26.680] >> Yeah.
[01:07:26.920] >> It's pretty clear how it works with
[01:07:28.360] remote viewing. Do we understand the
[01:07:30.480] actual transmission mechanism?
[01:07:32.280] >> Um
[01:07:33.760] Some of the people who do the controlled
[01:07:36.480] remote viewing
[01:07:37.960] will
[01:07:39.840] write down the coordinates, because you
[01:07:42.080] never tell them what the target is. You
[01:07:44.200] just give them a
[01:07:45.920] encrypted number,
[01:07:47.760] and let their pen do scribble, scribble,
[01:07:50.880] scribble.
[01:07:52.480] And then they go back and touch it.
[01:07:54.720] Well, scribble, scribble, scribble is
[01:07:56.880] automatic writing,
[01:07:58.520] which some people are good at.
[01:08:01.640] Psychometry is where you go back and
[01:08:03.560] touch something and get information off
[01:08:05.440] of it. Okay?
[01:08:07.520] And so, that's one way to begin a CRV
[01:08:10.200] session.
[01:08:10.920] >> Mhm.
[01:08:12.240] >> Another way,
[01:08:14.080] and the way that I teach my students,
[01:08:17.880] is the martial art way.
[01:08:20.560] Wax on, wipe off, okay? And so, you say,
[01:08:24.480] uh
[01:08:26.000] Draw me the most basic graphic you can
[01:08:29.359] of land. And some people will make a
[01:08:31.720] mountain, some people make a straight
[01:08:33.240] line.
[01:08:34.279] And uh
[01:08:35.839] then
[01:08:37.080] show me water, and they'll make a wavy
[01:08:39.520] line. And you have this other
[01:08:41.400] vocabulary.
[01:08:43.279] And you practice, and practice, and
[01:08:45.000] practice that. This is how they taught
[01:08:47.839] me the English one method
[01:08:50.440] was taught to me.
[01:08:52.200] And um
[01:08:53.839] when it gets to the point where
[01:08:57.000] the monitor who's calling out these
[01:08:59.640] words
[01:09:01.200] starts to say the word
[01:09:03.720] and the viewer automatically makes the
[01:09:05.640] word that's going to be said.
[01:09:08.359] That's when you know their subconscious
[01:09:10.319] mind
[01:09:11.640] is accessing the monitor.
[01:09:14.080] That's when you know you've got it.
[01:09:16.520] So, then
[01:09:18.880] you go to what's that's called stage
[01:09:20.799] one.
[01:09:22.319] So, then you go to stage two where you
[01:09:24.359] say, "Oh,
[01:09:25.720] describe the water."
[01:09:28.560] And but describing the water
[01:09:31.880] you say, "How does it taste?
[01:09:35.000] How does it feel? What's the
[01:09:36.920] temperature?" You use only physical
[01:09:39.920] descriptors.
[01:09:42.040] And
[01:09:43.160] you get the physical descriptors of it
[01:09:45.920] and then you say, "Oh, it feels cold."
[01:09:49.680] Well, how cold is it? That's where you
[01:09:52.120] start getting the measurements. And as
[01:09:54.360] you go through the six stages
[01:09:56.560] you finally get down
[01:09:58.480] to where
[01:10:00.200] you can reproduce the circuitry on a
[01:10:03.080] circuit board.
[01:10:04.880] I mean, it gets that detailed.
[01:10:07.320] And this is the genius of what Ingo
[01:10:09.480] Swann did.
[01:10:10.960] He started out with
[01:10:13.080] "I don't know what's at the target, but
[01:10:14.800] man, there's land and water and
[01:10:16.720] something man-made."
[01:10:19.480] You know?
[01:10:20.600] And at that point in the training where
[01:10:23.040] you're in stage one
[01:10:25.040] training, you open the envelope and
[01:10:27.000] there's a ship sitting at dock.
[01:10:30.080] Just like that, you know? And when you
[01:10:32.600] get good at that, 80% accurate at it
[01:10:36.240] through practice
[01:10:37.840] then you move into stage two.
[01:10:40.800] >> Joseph McMoneagle was tasked with remote
[01:10:43.760] viewing Mars a million years ago.
[01:10:46.760] Claimed to see
[01:10:48.480] people who were much taller than human
[01:10:50.320] beings and pyramid structures and sort
[01:10:54.320] of a civilization.
[01:10:56.040] Have you seen anything like that? Have
[01:10:57.400] you ever remotely Mars?
[01:10:59.680] >> Um
[01:11:00.960] in stage six
[01:11:03.680] there's phenomenon called um
[01:11:07.120] uh bilocation
[01:11:09.720] and there's one step beyond that which
[01:11:13.080] we call perfect sight integration.
[01:11:17.120] When you reach that stage
[01:11:20.280] you're not at the target, okay?
[01:11:24.120] But your attention is so focused on the
[01:11:26.280] target that you you forget about the
[01:11:28.480] room around you or anything else.
[01:11:31.920] And
[01:11:33.160] your attention is so focused on it, you
[01:11:35.680] cannot tell that you're not at the
[01:11:37.480] target.
[01:11:38.840] You feel the breeze on your face, you
[01:11:40.760] feel the temperature, that everything.
[01:11:42.920] You see it.
[01:11:44.600] And uh first time that happened to me
[01:11:47.520] was with the Sedona region at Mars.
[01:11:50.920] And um
[01:11:52.360] I was working along. I'd gotten some
[01:11:54.840] coordinates, just some numbers.
[01:11:57.080] And uh I was working along and all of a
[01:12:00.240] sudden
[01:12:01.760] I felt sand under my feet.
[01:12:05.000] Now
[01:12:06.120] here's an idiosyncrasy.
[01:12:08.760] I never remote view with my shoes on.
[01:12:11.560] I don't know why.
[01:12:12.875] >> [laughter]
[01:12:13.440] >> I just I'm a Texas boy. I take my shoes
[01:12:15.920] off, you know. And uh
[01:12:18.520] so I felt the sand under my feet and I
[01:12:22.240] looked down and [clears throat]
[01:12:23.960] there was I was in a hallway that was
[01:12:26.320] filled with sand.
[01:12:28.440] And uh I looked up and there was an
[01:12:31.080] opening
[01:12:32.480] at the far end of the hallway.
[01:12:35.120] So I walked down to the opening and I
[01:12:38.680] it was open so I leaned out
[01:12:41.440] and the building that I was in was
[01:12:44.120] sloping backwards and it was just all
[01:12:46.920] rough and just eroded and everything
[01:12:49.240] else.
[01:12:50.200] And I looked out.
[01:12:52.560] the sun was dim, the sky was the wrong
[01:12:55.760] color,
[01:12:56.840] it's extremely cold, the place smelled
[01:13:00.680] bad,
[01:13:01.800] and um
[01:13:03.560] um I looked at the other things that
[01:13:06.560] were around,
[01:13:08.960] and
[01:13:09.860] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:13:11.360] >> came back and described them and, you
[01:13:13.120] know, drew a picture of it and all that.
[01:13:15.560] So, um
[01:13:17.160] I guess about 6 months later we were out
[01:13:19.360] at um
[01:13:21.040] um
[01:13:23.160] place in California visiting Hal
[01:13:25.360] Puthoff,
[01:13:26.520] and um
[01:13:28.920] there was a picture on the wall
[01:13:31.600] of the Sedona region of Mars.
[01:13:34.720] And um
[01:13:36.480] this was not the picture everybody sees.
[01:13:40.320] You know how the picture they show is
[01:13:43.040] all fuzzy and all hm?
[01:13:45.240] Come on.
[01:13:46.560] They can read your license plate from
[01:13:48.880] 250 mi through air.
[01:13:52.880] You're going to tell me they can't see a
[01:13:54.360] mountain sharply
[01:13:56.520] from here on Mars?
[01:13:58.480] And uh this was a very sharp picture.
[01:14:01.720] And there on the side of
[01:14:04.920] one of those pyramids, there's a little
[01:14:07.200] opening. Been there, done that, didn't
[01:14:09.640] get the t-shirt.
[01:14:10.776] >> [laughter]
[01:14:12.400] >> But uh
[01:14:13.640] but I was looking at this picture
[01:14:16.240] and realizing that everything I had
[01:14:18.840] drawn from that angle
[01:14:21.920] from above was in the right place,
[01:14:24.960] everything.
[01:14:26.440] The um
[01:14:28.240] the
[01:14:29.360] sky that I saw was the color of the sky
[01:14:32.280] on Mars,
[01:14:33.800] the sun was dimmer, you know, and
[01:14:37.240] further away and all that, and the
[01:14:39.520] bitter cold and everything else.
[01:14:41.480] >> Was it red?
[01:14:42.760] >> Uh what, the sun?
[01:14:43.960] >> The landscape.
[01:14:45.320] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, it was it
[01:14:47.800] was it was
[01:14:50.000] orangish red. Yeah, and all that. I
[01:14:51.960] mean, it was desert.
[01:14:53.800] It was sand. After that session, they
[01:14:56.440] said, "Oh, you were on Mars."
[01:14:59.080] And I said, "Okay."
[01:15:01.160] But when I saw that picture,
[01:15:03.880] that's when I realized,
[01:15:06.760] "Hey,
[01:15:08.720] I was on Mars."
[01:15:10.382] >> [laughter]
[01:15:11.640] >> And you know, I cannot physically I
[01:15:14.480] cannot say I've ever been physically on
[01:15:16.600] Mars.
[01:15:17.800] >> Mhm.
[01:15:18.800] >> But I have had the experience,
[01:15:22.240] the real experience of walking through
[01:15:25.040] the sands of Mars.
[01:15:27.280] And how are you going to explain that to
[01:15:29.280] anybody?
[01:15:30.400] I've had the experience of it.
[01:15:32.760] >> Did you see any alien life?
[01:15:35.560] >> Actually, I did. Yeah, um
[01:15:38.400] uh
[01:15:39.240] because the monitor took me elsewhere
[01:15:42.480] after that. But yeah, mhm.
[01:15:44.720] >> And And so, where did you go after that
[01:15:47.040] where you saw alien life?
[01:15:48.800] >> Um
[01:15:50.120] down into the pyramid and it was um
[01:15:55.240] it was beings that
[01:15:58.360] are much larger than humans,
[01:16:01.472] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:16:01.760] >> but
[01:16:03.120] with atrophied limbs,
[01:16:05.280] probably incapable of ever coming out,
[01:16:07.600] you know.
[01:16:08.800] >> What did they look like? Did they look
[01:16:10.480] like humans but atrophied or did
[01:16:12.200] >> No, well, right at first, they looked to
[01:16:14.880] me like worms. I mean, their
[01:16:17.560] their legs and their arms were just, you
[01:16:20.040] know, were there but just
[01:16:23.160] like I say, atrophied, not even used.
[01:16:26.240] >> Was their skin color the same color as,
[01:16:28.960] you know,
[01:16:29.200] >> Oh,
[01:16:30.292] >> [sighs]
[01:16:30.920] >> roughly, I think. Yeah, as I remember
[01:16:33.440] it.
[01:16:34.960] I was there a very short time and they
[01:16:36.800] pulled me out.
[01:16:39.480] >> Fascinating.
[01:16:40.400] >> Yeah. Did you get the sense of as
[01:16:42.240] whether they had a relationship with
[01:16:43.880] mankind at all or they were from
[01:16:46.360] >> I didn't. They pulled me out.
[01:16:47.840] >> Mhm.
[01:16:48.240] >> They pulled me out from that, yeah.
[01:16:49.880] >> Mhm.
[01:16:50.280] >> And this was present Mars. This isn't a
[01:16:52.200] million years ago.
[01:16:52.960] >> Present, yeah.
[01:16:53.840] >> Mhm.
[01:16:54.400] >> Yeah.
[01:16:55.160] >> What's the most exotic place you've
[01:16:57.080] bilocated to?
[01:16:58.760] >> The most exotic, I haven't heard that
[01:17:00.480] one before. Um
[01:17:03.040] the strangest place was Titan.
[01:17:07.800] Um
[01:17:09.680] I was tasked for some reason with Titan
[01:17:12.640] to find any life there.
[01:17:15.120] >> Titan is a moon of Jupiter.
[01:17:17.040] >> Moon, yeah. Uh-huh.
[01:17:18.480] And um
[01:17:20.480] Um I found these two beings in a cave.
[01:17:25.720] Now, what I think they were looking for
[01:17:27.960] was
[01:17:29.320] see under the surface or something like
[01:17:31.480] that. I
[01:17:32.680] They weren't satisfied with what I got.
[01:17:35.040] But these two beings were conversing
[01:17:38.560] with each other.
[01:17:40.378] >> [gasps]
[01:17:40.800] >> And
[01:17:43.160] like I say, my forte is mental access.
[01:17:48.800] I have never
[01:17:51.080] in any other time
[01:17:53.600] found anything as totally alien as that.
[01:17:57.640] There was no understanding their
[01:17:59.520] thoughts. There was no understanding
[01:18:04.520] anything about them. I could tell they
[01:18:06.800] were thinking. I could hear their
[01:18:08.240] thoughts and
[01:18:11.160] there was no translation. There was no
[01:18:13.280] There was no nothing. Most alien thing
[01:18:15.480] I've ever
[01:18:17.120] experienced, period. And you know, I've
[01:18:20.080] been tasked with a lot of aliens.
[01:18:22.760] This was
[01:18:25.360] uh just indescribably alien.
[01:18:29.080] >> Just completely foreign.
[01:18:31.160] >> Completely. Totally un-understandable.
[01:18:34.160] >> Incomprehensible.
[01:18:35.360] >> Incomprehensible, yeah.
[01:18:37.560] >> When you relay these things to your
[01:18:40.800] superiors as part of the remote viewing
[01:18:42.960] program, what do they say? Are they
[01:18:44.680] shocked or are they like, "Oh, just
[01:18:46.240] another day on the job." and they're
[01:18:47.800] very blasé about it or
[01:18:49.240] >> Generally just another day on the job
[01:18:51.280] after after, you know, like I say,
[01:18:53.640] they've been there for 10 years before I
[01:18:55.400] ever got there. So,
[01:18:57.200] yeah, for them it's just another day on
[01:18:59.040] the job, yeah.
[01:19:00.040] >> How many alien species do you think
[01:19:02.320] you've personally come into contact
[01:19:04.480] with?
[01:19:05.640] >> I think five.
[01:19:06.880] >> Have you seen any in a non-remote
[01:19:09.280] viewing
[01:19:10.680] capacity?
[01:19:13.240] >> As far as you were going to answer that
[01:19:14.960] ask that,
[01:19:16.280] yes, and I can't talk about it.
[01:19:18.360] >> Why not?
[01:19:19.200] >> Because it was on a mission that I can't
[01:19:21.320] talk about.
[01:19:22.080] >> Okay.
[01:19:23.240] Wow.
[01:19:24.000] >> Yeah.
[01:19:24.600] >> That's interesting.
[01:19:26.080] >> Yeah, I'm sorry.
[01:19:26.960] >> No, it's okay. Is there anything you can
[01:19:28.880] share about it or
[01:19:29.800] >> No.
[01:19:30.320] >> Okay. Was it shocking?
[01:19:32.760] >> By that time I had learned
[01:19:35.680] um
[01:19:37.600] anytime I went on one of these missions,
[01:19:40.200] I would always tell them I don't want to
[01:19:41.880] know anything that I don't want to be
[01:19:43.320] responsible for. The alien was there.
[01:19:46.960] And so, I immediately just looked away
[01:19:50.080] and kept
[01:19:52.200] kept going because I didn't
[01:19:55.440] I didn't want to be responsible for that
[01:19:57.680] for knowing that.
[01:19:59.040] So.
[01:19:59.640] >> When you say mission, this isn't a
[01:20:02.320] remote viewing mission. This is like you
[01:20:04.320] were deployed somewhere?
[01:20:06.080] >> Somewhere else, yeah.
[01:20:07.160] >> Wow. Fascinating.
[01:20:08.880] >> reason, yeah.
[01:20:10.440] >> So, what else have you done outside of
[01:20:12.440] remote viewing? Have you been deployed
[01:20:14.680] in different places around the world?
[01:20:16.360] >> Well, yeah.
[01:20:17.640] Um
[01:20:18.440] I uh was a computer expert,
[01:20:22.000] >> Mhm.
[01:20:22.640] >> a computer programmer, a Russian
[01:20:25.560] linguist,
[01:20:27.240] a German linguist.
[01:20:29.760] I was the only Mongolian linguist in all
[01:20:32.760] five services at the time.
[01:20:35.280] Six services now
[01:20:37.280] with the space space force.
[01:20:39.800] But um I was the only Mongolian linguist
[01:20:42.480] in all military services.
[01:20:45.120] Um
[01:20:46.360] the first time I was in the service
[01:20:48.920] I was uh into guided missiles.
[01:20:51.960] And guided missile computer systems,
[01:20:54.120] control systems, and all that.
[01:20:56.520] >> Fascinating. You've had a very
[01:20:58.680] winding career. You're You're uh You're
[01:21:00.720] You're polymatic.
[01:21:01.920] >> I've lived in interesting times, you
[01:21:03.800] know.
[01:21:03.960] >> Yeah. You know, to for me, this, you
[01:21:07.040] know, direct alien experience, obviously
[01:21:09.200] I'm insatiably curious and want to know
[01:21:11.080] more, but I respect your decision to not
[01:21:13.400] share more.
[01:21:14.640] For the audience
[01:21:16.120] >> Well, I also had
[01:21:18.560] I had an abduction experience, too. So,
[01:21:21.720] I had a Yeah. Go ahead and do
[01:21:23.640] >> Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm just wanting to I
[01:21:25.080] want to get into that, too. But I'm for
[01:21:27.040] the audience, they might be wondering
[01:21:29.040] why can Lynn share about some of the
[01:21:32.440] stuff he's remote viewed that also seems
[01:21:34.480] somewhat sensitive, but he can't talk
[01:21:36.480] about this one mission he was on where
[01:21:37.960] he saw an alien.
[01:21:38.560] >> Well, I can talk about things like
[01:21:40.160] happened, but things like
[01:21:43.960] who was involved
[01:21:45.440] >> Mhm.
[01:21:46.040] >> what units were involved, what people
[01:21:48.680] and places were involved, and where it
[01:21:50.920] happened, and all that.
[01:21:52.800] Yeah, those are things that
[01:21:55.680] you know.
[01:21:57.160] >> So, could you
[01:21:58.960] could theoretically talk about what the
[01:22:00.720] alien looked like with no context
[01:22:03.160] around?
[01:22:04.120] >> Well, the one I saw at time uh
[01:22:06.600] was one of the what do they call the
[01:22:09.280] insectoids?
[01:22:10.520] >> Okay. Woah.
[01:22:11.680] >> Yeah.
[01:22:12.280] >> Like a praying mantis or something?
[01:22:14.760] >> I guess. It was sitting at a uh
[01:22:18.240] position in a row of
[01:22:20.760] humans that were at the positions their
[01:22:23.240] positions and
[01:22:25.160] working
[01:22:26.560] some equipment, So
[01:22:28.360] >> Whoa.
[01:22:29.200] >> And the thing is many of these times
[01:22:33.280] where you have soldiers that are at
[01:22:36.040] these jobs all day long, if they know
[01:22:38.520] that somebody is coming in who's an
[01:22:40.800] outsider,
[01:22:42.520] uh they'll do something,
[01:22:45.400] you know, just to
[01:22:48.720] They could have It could have been a
[01:22:49.920] soldier that just put on an alien hat or
[01:22:52.480] something like that. Uh
[01:22:54.560] I don't know because the minute I saw it
[01:22:56.400] I looked away and kept walking.
[01:22:58.360] >> Okay.
[01:22:59.320] >> So
[01:22:59.920] >> could have been them trying to mess with
[01:23:01.480] you.
[01:23:01.840] >> Could have been.
[01:23:02.680] >> But it looked like an alien casually
[01:23:04.880] working hand-in-hand with human
[01:23:07.760] colleagues.
[01:23:08.400] >> Yeah. Mhm.
[01:23:09.320] >> Wow.
[01:23:10.040] >> Yeah.
[01:23:11.880] >> Well, can you say what they were working
[01:23:13.720] on?
[01:23:14.600] >> You're back into what I can't talk
[01:23:16.080] about.
[01:23:16.240] >> Okay, no worries. All right, we'll stop
[01:23:18.000] there. But that That's interesting.
[01:23:20.640] >> Yeah.
[01:23:21.360] >> Do you Do you think that um in some of
[01:23:24.720] these places
[01:23:26.720] humans and aliens are working side by
[01:23:29.160] side? You already said that in the
[01:23:30.840] context
[01:23:32.120] >> of
[01:23:33.480] uh Mount Zeil in Australia.
[01:23:36.640] >> I've heard that from people who
[01:23:38.560] absolutely know for sure. Yeah.
[01:23:41.160] >> Really?
[01:23:41.960] >> Over and over again. Yeah.
[01:23:43.880] >> Wow. And so what like
[01:23:47.120] >> Those two guys that
[01:23:50.040] approached me in the parking lot
[01:23:52.200] >> Mhm.
[01:23:53.600] >> could explain why there are humans
[01:23:55.480] working with them. They may not be
[01:23:59.400] people who were born on Earth. I don't
[01:24:01.320] know.
[01:24:02.240] >> Mhm.
[01:24:02.600] >> It's It's a question that I have that
[01:24:05.760] uh that I don't know the answer to.
[01:24:08.480] >> I've talked to Hal Puthoff about things
[01:24:10.440] like this. Like uh
[01:24:12.360] sort of
[01:24:13.920] almost like portals on on Earth where
[01:24:18.480] humans and aliens are sort of
[01:24:20.080] co-located, working together.
[01:24:21.760] >> Mhm.
[01:24:22.320] >> And we were talking as well before we
[01:24:25.200] started rolling about Indian
[01:24:27.040] reservations and certain off-limits
[01:24:30.520] places in the United States.
[01:24:32.240] >> Uh
[01:24:33.200] what I seem to have found is that the
[01:24:36.160] alien bases
[01:24:37.480] >> Mhm.
[01:24:38.600] >> Uh I think most people think that the
[01:24:40.520] aliens come in and secretly cause
[01:24:43.880] form these bases that nobody human knows
[01:24:46.720] about and all that.
[01:24:48.280] Uh I've come to the conclusion
[01:24:52.160] personally
[01:24:53.920] uh have no proof, no documentation
[01:24:57.640] that uh
[01:24:59.160] these are the places where
[01:25:02.120] our government or the governments of
[01:25:04.200] other countries have said
[01:25:07.120] you can have this spot to have your
[01:25:09.000] base.
[01:25:10.440] You stay away from us and we'll stay
[01:25:11.960] away from you.
[01:25:13.440] So, they're more like a reservations
[01:25:16.320] that we give to the Indians
[01:25:18.400] than they are
[01:25:20.520] bases where they have secretly come in
[01:25:23.560] and formed something that we don't know
[01:25:25.640] about.
[01:25:26.240] >> Mhm.
[01:25:26.680] >> And I think we know everything about it.
[01:25:29.920] >> So, this is how being done with our
[01:25:32.600] explicit permission.
[01:25:34.360] >> That's what I get.
[01:25:36.160] Yeah.
[01:25:36.880] >> There's a place called Secret Mountain
[01:25:39.000] near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona.
[01:25:42.080] >> Okay.
[01:25:42.600] >> And this is one of these places that's
[01:25:44.120] rumored that
[01:25:45.200] a friend and fellow reporter, Ross
[01:25:47.960] Coulthart, has uh
[01:25:50.080] you know, systematically investigated
[01:25:51.440] this place and it seems like UFOs are
[01:25:53.880] flying in and out of this mountain.
[01:25:56.160] And
[01:25:57.520] the I think the
[01:25:59.160] um
[01:25:59.880] land is sort of, you know, uh
[01:26:02.240] it's like Bureau of Land Management and
[01:26:04.200] I think it was then reserved for like,
[01:26:06.240] you know, University of Northern Arizona
[01:26:07.920] and there was some environmental studies
[01:26:09.480] going on, but basically it's a way of
[01:26:11.360] saying off-limits for anyone else.
[01:26:13.760] But nothing goes on there, like no
[01:26:15.360] research goes on there. instead people
[01:26:17.000] just see men who are wearing these sort
[01:26:20.360] of nondescript, you know, outfits and
[01:26:23.640] >> New Mexico and yeah
[01:26:25.560] >> Yeah, and some of these other places.
[01:26:27.560] So, you think that's happening maybe all
[01:26:29.560] over the US?
[01:26:31.320] >> All over the world.
[01:26:32.200] >> All over the world.
[01:26:33.320] >> Yeah.
[01:26:34.520] >> How is this stuff so locked down for the
[01:26:38.360] ordinary person? Cuz
[01:26:40.560] like I you know, I systematically sort
[01:26:42.640] of investigate this stuff. You've lived
[01:26:44.400] it for decades.
[01:26:46.880] And so it's sort of obvious to you. For
[01:26:48.800] me, I'm
[01:26:50.280] you know, more on the fence than you,
[01:26:51.840] but probably more, you know, inclined
[01:26:54.160] towards your side obviously than I am
[01:26:56.240] towards, you know,
[01:26:57.440] an average person who hasn't studied
[01:26:58.600] this stuff. But how is there so much
[01:27:00.760] circumstantial evidence and yet
[01:27:03.960] the consensus still can maintain that
[01:27:06.960] there's like nothing here.
[01:27:09.840] Is it them concealing themselves, the
[01:27:11.920] the non-humans or like
[01:27:14.080] >> I
[01:27:15.080] Well, first of all
[01:27:17.280] uh
[01:27:18.520] if you had something like that, would
[01:27:20.120] you want everybody to know?
[01:27:22.680] You know, I mean, if you were to
[01:27:25.560] land on Mars, would you want all the
[01:27:27.480] Martians to know where you were? Uh
[01:27:30.000] probably not, you know. I think most
[01:27:32.200] people
[01:27:33.880] don't want to know. They don't want to
[01:27:35.600] believe that that happens. And so, why
[01:27:38.680] shatter their
[01:27:40.400] paradigm? You know? Does one country
[01:27:43.560] want to know the other's harboring
[01:27:46.160] UFO
[01:27:47.120] aliens?
[01:27:47.760] >> Mhm.
[01:27:48.560] >> You know? I don't know a definite answer
[01:27:50.840] to that question, but I think most of
[01:27:53.280] all
[01:27:54.120] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:27:54.680] >> people don't want to know.
[01:27:56.360] >> Is there a connection between remote
[01:27:58.560] viewing and UFO crash retrievals?
[01:28:01.980] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:28:02.840] >> Crash retrieval?
[01:28:04.680] >> Yes.
[01:28:05.320] >> Evidently not from what I found ahead in
[01:28:08.680] that hangar.
[01:28:09.841] >> [laughter]
[01:28:10.200] >> Okay.
[01:28:11.000] >> Yeah.
[01:28:12.040] Um
[01:28:12.960] the the minute I
[01:28:15.320] saw that
[01:28:17.280] control panel out of UFO and said,
[01:28:19.840] that's out of UFO.
[01:28:21.800] I mean, they ran me out of that place.
[01:28:24.240] >> Because there's a group called, I
[01:28:26.080] believe, the Borderlands Research
[01:28:28.080] Society.
[01:28:29.000] >> I've never heard of that one.
[01:28:29.920] >> They're from the '40s, back in the day,
[01:28:31.840] and they were dabbling in kind of the
[01:28:33.280] occult.
[01:28:34.640] But, they were doing some early remote
[01:28:36.120] viewing techniques, and there seems to
[01:28:37.760] be some documentation gathered by
[01:28:40.960] researcher friend of mine named Richard
[01:28:42.440] Geldrich. She's amazing.
[01:28:44.360] And he says that they knew about some of
[01:28:46.840] the early crashes in the '40s and '50s
[01:28:49.000] before the Army and the Air Force.
[01:28:51.840] And so, I think if, you know, if you're
[01:28:54.120] what you were saying earlier, that like
[01:28:56.480] when we move into the psychic or remote
[01:28:59.560] viewing paradigm, we're kind of bumping
[01:29:01.560] into the epistemological framework of
[01:29:03.960] the non-humans.
[01:29:05.040] >> Right.
[01:29:05.640] >> Then
[01:29:06.920] if you were to try to have a really
[01:29:08.920] vital UFO crash retrieval team, you
[01:29:12.080] probably would use remote viewing in
[01:29:14.720] order to spot where the UFOs actually
[01:29:16.920] crashed.
[01:29:18.400] >> Oh, and there are other methods, too.
[01:29:20.920] >> Okay.
[01:29:22.320] >> I mean, one of the things you always
[01:29:24.000] hear about a UFO crash,
[01:29:26.080] within minutes the government was there.
[01:29:29.320] >> You right. So, that implies some
[01:29:31.061] [clears throat] sort of like almost
[01:29:32.040] foreknowledge or really low latency, you
[01:29:35.280] know, almost like
[01:29:37.120] quantum entanglement style understanding
[01:29:39.120] that would come from remote viewing more
[01:29:40.960] than it would from traditional
[01:29:42.440] communications.
[01:29:43.240] >> No, I think traditional methods. Um
[01:29:46.800] You've seen one of them.
[01:29:49.360] >> What's that?
[01:29:50.000] >> On TV.
[01:29:51.600] Oh, there's a
[01:29:54.320] a clip that they show on TV every now
[01:29:56.280] and then of this
[01:29:58.200] UFO that's coming in, and a beam go
[01:30:01.120] like that, and the thing turns around
[01:30:02.600] and leaves.
[01:30:04.080] And they say, oh, that was just water on
[01:30:06.440] the window.
[01:30:07.360] >> Mhm.
[01:30:08.360] >> In space, there's no water on the
[01:30:10.120] window. Come on.
[01:30:11.672] >> [laughter]
[01:30:12.560] >> And [gasps] uh
[01:30:13.800] and um we have
[01:30:17.480] UFO weapons. We have identification
[01:30:20.680] friend and foe.
[01:30:22.440] We already have those things.
[01:30:23.720] >> So, do you believe that we have a vital
[01:30:26.200] UFO crash retrieval and reverse
[01:30:28.040] engineering program?
[01:30:29.680] >> Yeah.
[01:30:30.080] >> And do you think that's tied in with
[01:30:31.720] remote viewing programs?
[01:30:33.120] >> I don't think so.
[01:30:34.240] >> You don't think so?
[01:30:35.080] >> I don't think so. Uh we were never
[01:30:37.000] tasked with it.
[01:30:38.000] >> Okay.
[01:30:38.680] >> There was only one time that I've heard
[01:30:41.760] of
[01:30:43.160] uh I wasn't there at the time that we
[01:30:45.560] officially got tasked with a UFO target.
[01:30:48.200] >> Mhm.
[01:30:48.840] >> All of the rest of the times that we did
[01:30:51.960] a lot of UFO stuff
[01:30:54.247] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:30:54.920] >> uh came under the heading of practice
[01:30:58.160] sessions
[01:31:00.000] or
[01:31:02.280] some
[01:31:03.600] two or three star general might come up
[01:31:05.400] to your desk and say
[01:31:07.240] "Hey, would you do me a favor?"
[01:31:11.800] And what are you going to say? No, sir?
[01:31:15.440] As a two star and you've got a sergeant
[01:31:18.080] saying, "No, sir." That's not going to
[01:31:19.720] happen.
[01:31:20.200] >> Well, didn't you remote view um the 1980
[01:31:23.480] Rendlesham Forest incident?
[01:31:25.360] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:31:25.920] >> Where this is um you know, uh Royal Air
[01:31:28.640] Force Woodbridge
[01:31:30.480] uh where you have sort of um
[01:31:33.200] uh Royal Air Force uh United States Air
[01:31:35.480] Force combined group uh
[01:31:38.400] in England near Rendlesham Forest.
[01:31:40.720] >> Yeah.
[01:31:40.920] >> And
[01:31:41.760] >> One of my fortes is drawing floor plans.
[01:31:45.280] >> Okay.
[01:31:46.080] >> Uh of the insides of buildings. And I
[01:31:48.720] was the one that drew the uh
[01:31:50.800] that went inside that triangular craft
[01:31:54.360] and actually drew the floor plans and
[01:31:56.160] the insides and all that.
[01:31:57.560] >> Really?
[01:31:58.360] >> Yeah. Now,
[01:32:00.320] to be honest
[01:32:01.240] >> Can I back up though and just the
[01:32:02.480] audience a little bit of context?
[01:32:03.960] >> Oh, okay.
[01:32:04.400] >> So, 1980 uh three different uh US Air
[01:32:07.960] Force sergeants uh Jim Penniston, John
[01:32:11.240] Burroughs
[01:32:12.240] >> Mhm.
[01:32:12.560] >> I'm blanking on the third guy's name.
[01:32:14.200] All come across this They first they see
[01:32:16.720] this triangle flying in the woods.
[01:32:18.400] >> Yeah.
[01:32:18.600] >> Then they see it land.
[01:32:19.800] >> Yeah.
[01:32:19.960] >> And I believe uh Penniston and Burroughs
[01:32:21.840] even went right up to it.
[01:32:23.440] >> Yeah.
[01:32:23.600] >> And and and and so and it's this black
[01:32:25.440] triangle and then they found
[01:32:26.480] indentations in the thing and you had um
[01:32:29.800] Lord uh Hill-Norton who was uh you know,
[01:32:32.080] head of the Admiral of the Fleet
[01:32:33.280] >> Mhm.
[01:32:33.560] >> um you know, saying, you know, I think
[01:32:35.120] this happened. You had uh Colonel Halt
[01:32:37.960] uh who was who was there, who was in
[01:32:39.360] charge at the time
[01:32:40.640] >> Yeah.
[01:32:40.880] >> you know, doing a formal investigation
[01:32:42.360] saying this happened. And so, you were
[01:32:44.200] Were you formally tasked with looking
[01:32:45.960] inside of this triangle UFO?
[01:32:48.240] >> As a practice target.
[01:32:50.920] >> As a practice target?
[01:32:52.080] >> As a prac- We were never officially
[01:32:54.640] changed charged in the chain of command
[01:32:58.040] with doing UFO targets.
[01:33:00.160] >> Who assigned you that as a practice
[01:33:01.680] target?
[01:33:02.400] >> Um
[01:33:05.280] I forget who it came from. It wasn't Ed
[01:33:07.760] Ed Dames. He was always giving us UFO
[01:33:10.560] targets.
[01:33:11.560] >> Ed Dames was?
[01:33:12.720] >> Yeah.
[01:33:13.360] >> So, do you think these guys
[01:33:14.800] >> This was different. I forget who it came
[01:33:16.760] from.
[01:33:17.240] >> So, it's almost like there's a different
[01:33:18.840] line of command that's in- interested in
[01:33:21.240] the UFO now?
[01:33:21.800] >> No, there's In any organization, you
[01:33:24.440] have the formal organization and the
[01:33:26.400] informal.
[01:33:27.760] >> So, what's this informal organization
[01:33:29.600] that's interested in UFO stuff?
[01:33:31.640] >> Well, it's totally unorganized. Like I
[01:33:34.800] say, you
[01:33:35.640] >> You think it's just emergent and like
[01:33:37.360] personal personal interest based?
[01:33:38.960] >> A two-star comes by your desk and says,
[01:33:41.640] "Will you do me a favor?"
[01:33:43.560] You're not going to say no.
[01:33:44.880] >> Is the two-star though like are they
[01:33:47.200] getting interested because they're like
[01:33:49.600] "I heard this crazy thing. I want to
[01:33:51.840] know." Or is it more of like a some sort
[01:33:54.560] of secret other branch?
[01:33:56.880] >> are all interested.
[01:33:59.000] >> But it's pure personal interest. You
[01:34:00.400] don't think somebody's telling the
[01:34:01.440] two-star, "Hey, get one of your best
[01:34:03.800] guys to look at this."
[01:34:05.510] >> [laughter]
[01:34:06.040] >> Okay.
[01:34:07.120] >> But do I suspect that they're Yeah.
[01:34:10.000] >> So, you think there might be another
[01:34:10.960] line of command, another chain of
[01:34:12.480] command?
[01:34:13.040] >> Well, you know, it's like they say about
[01:34:15.600] the UFOs, they think what is our danger
[01:34:20.120] to air air superiority. That's become an
[01:34:23.320] official thing.
[01:34:25.280] And so, are they going to task a remote
[01:34:27.800] viewer with it?
[01:34:29.360] Not officially.
[01:34:31.080] >> Mhm.
[01:34:32.080] >> They're going to come by your desk and
[01:34:33.600] say,
[01:34:34.600] "Hey, would you do me a favor?"
[01:34:36.950] >> [clears throat]
[01:34:37.200] >> So, you do this guy a favor, this
[01:34:39.520] two-star general, and
[01:34:41.000] >> And and they walk out with the answer
[01:34:43.680] and you never hear about it again.
[01:34:45.440] >> What was inside of this triangle craft?
[01:34:48.320] >> Uh it was um intelligently
[01:34:52.360] automated.
[01:34:53.880] There were no beings inside of it.
[01:34:56.320] There was a uh place where
[01:34:59.480] samples
[01:35:01.160] were being
[01:35:02.720] preserved. And this thing was going by
[01:35:05.640] and finding sample
[01:35:07.360] samples of
[01:35:10.355] >> [gasps]
[01:35:11.400] >> I don't know if it was soil or plant
[01:35:13.320] stuff or whatever, but there was a place
[01:35:15.840] in there where the samples were being
[01:35:18.280] kept.
[01:35:20.280] And uh
[01:35:22.040] and then somehow the
[01:35:25.400] craft would seem to communicate back
[01:35:28.440] that it had found something.
[01:35:30.640] But it was totally self-automated. There
[01:35:32.800] were no There were no beings in it at
[01:35:34.520] all.
[01:35:36.040] >> And what any other features of the
[01:35:38.200] craft, the color, the the
[01:35:40.360] >> Yeah, it was
[01:35:41.760] red sort of reddish light inside. Uh
[01:35:45.200] there was a control panel, so
[01:35:48.080] it could be controlled by beings.
[01:35:50.280] And uh
[01:35:51.720] there was this, um,
[01:35:53.680] small hallway that went back to a
[01:35:57.840] chamber where
[01:35:59.880] samples were being held. Notice that.
[01:36:02.320] >> Samples of
[01:36:04.080] >> of whatever it was it was picking up and
[01:36:06.760] finding.
[01:36:07.360] >> Mhm.
[01:36:07.960] >> Cuz it was out searching.
[01:36:09.760] >> It's like this automated drone sort of
[01:36:12.000] thing.
[01:36:12.040] >> Automated drone, yeah.
[01:36:13.200] >> Mhm.
[01:36:14.600] And I believe Colonel John Alexander
[01:36:16.680] knew about Rendlesham before just about
[01:36:19.040] anybody else in the United States.
[01:36:20.840] >> yeah.
[01:36:21.360] >> Was he involved in your I guess you
[01:36:23.200] can't probably say or
[01:36:24.720] >> No, uh, John was, um,
[01:36:28.880] rarely
[01:36:30.360] I don't think he was ever involved in
[01:36:32.200] our unit.
[01:36:32.960] >> Okay.
[01:36:33.600] >> Uh, Bert, uh,
[01:36:36.240] Albert Stubblebine, General Stubblebine,
[01:36:39.440] uh, became a really good friend. I
[01:36:41.360] always call him Bert. And, uh,
[01:36:44.240] uh, Bert, uh,
[01:36:47.320] intentionally kept him out of it.
[01:36:49.680] >> Albert Stubblebine is a very interesting
[01:36:52.560] figure who seems very conspiratorial
[01:36:55.960] himself.
[01:36:56.840] >> He became like a second father to me. I
[01:36:59.520] just treasure that man.
[01:37:01.280] >> What What is his
[01:37:03.400] Tell Tell us about him cuz he's this
[01:37:04.880] very intriguing figure in kind of UFO
[01:37:07.760] lore. Like when Steven Greer, for
[01:37:10.240] example, or initially gets into all this
[01:37:13.000] stuff he sort of he was this emergency
[01:37:14.960] medical doctor and then he develops
[01:37:16.560] CE-5, this protocol to sort of call in
[01:37:18.960] UFOs.
[01:37:19.840] >> Yeah. Uh-huh.
[01:37:20.320] >> And Stubblebine is first on the scene
[01:37:22.600] to, you know,
[01:37:23.920] >> Yeah.
[01:37:24.360] >> uh, ostensibly try to almost recruit him
[01:37:26.520] into some sort of government program.
[01:37:28.640] >> Yeah.
[01:37:29.280] >> So what is what is Stubblebine like?
[01:37:31.680] What's his deal?
[01:37:32.280] >> in it. Bert had the, um,
[01:37:34.600] project going where he had people out
[01:37:37.000] looking for,
[01:37:38.200] uh,
[01:37:38.840] PK events and things like this. That's
[01:37:41.560] how
[01:37:42.317] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:37:42.600] >> that's how I got reported to Bert who
[01:37:46.280] was head of the Intelligence and
[01:37:48.240] Security Command. That's why he came out
[01:37:50.960] to the
[01:37:52.440] unit and wanted to talk to me.
[01:37:54.680] And um
[01:37:56.480] add that We've seen the movie The Men
[01:37:59.120] Who Stare at Goats.
[01:38:00.040] >> Yeah.
[01:38:00.520] >> He shoved me into the office
[01:38:03.400] and um
[01:38:05.240] told the commander, "I need to talk to
[01:38:07.080] Sergeant Buchanan and get out, you
[01:38:08.560] know."
[01:38:09.400] He turned to me and got up in my face
[01:38:11.880] and said,
[01:38:13.080] "Did you kill my computer with your
[01:38:15.400] mind?"
[01:38:17.440] And I thought, "I have got to lie about
[01:38:19.960] this."
[01:38:21.920] I knew I had. And I could see my
[01:38:24.520] grandchildren paying for computers. You
[01:38:27.480] know, basically I heard myself say,
[01:38:30.160] "Yes, sir, I did."
[01:38:32.520] And
[01:38:34.080] the
[01:38:35.280] grin that comes across General Hapgood's
[01:38:38.040] face in that movie
[01:38:39.480] >> Mhm.
[01:38:40.280] >> is exactly the grin that came across
[01:38:43.720] uh Bert's face.
[01:38:45.160] And you can
[01:38:47.760] you can bleep this out if you want.
[01:38:50.880] Just immediately, right there in my
[01:38:52.640] face, he said,
[01:38:54.360] "Far out if I ever got a job for
[01:38:57.360] you."
[01:38:57.800] >> Uh that's [laughter] awesome.
[01:38:59.800] >> Yeah.
[01:39:00.520] >> Wow.
[01:39:01.360] >> Yeah.
[01:39:02.240] >> Who do you think tasked him initially
[01:39:04.560] with assembling this X-Men team of
[01:39:08.160] psychic
[01:39:08.920] >> his own. He got all kinds of flak from
[01:39:11.160] that.
[01:39:11.840] >> Really? He really did.
[01:39:13.240] >> So he kind of went rogue a little bit.
[01:39:15.000] >> Yeah.
[01:39:15.680] >> Mhm.
[01:39:17.440] Such a fascinating world, you know, all
[01:39:19.880] this stuff. And I always I find it
[01:39:21.560] interesting, too, cuz you have Hal
[01:39:22.840] Puthoff
[01:39:24.000] is one of these guys who's kind of
[01:39:26.080] you know, one of the godfathers of
[01:39:27.560] remote viewing.
[01:39:28.400] >> He's great.
[01:39:29.120] >> Amazing guy.
[01:39:30.120] >> Yeah.
[01:39:30.680] >> And but then he also is at the forefront
[01:39:33.120] of the UFO stuff. And I that has to be
[01:39:35.120] significant, like to me at least. I
[01:39:37.440] think there has to be this like
[01:39:39.080] essential overlap between these two
[01:39:41.840] things.
[01:39:44.120] Okay.
[01:39:46.080] Um
[01:39:50.160] You've heard a lot of stories that when
[01:39:52.200] a person gets abducted, they suddenly
[01:39:54.200] start having psychic ability.
[01:39:56.400] >> So, yes.
[01:39:57.160] >> Okay.
[01:39:58.400] I was tasked to do a paper that as soon
[01:40:02.000] as I turned it in, it
[01:40:03.840] disappeared. I don't know if it's in
[01:40:05.800] that
[01:40:07.160] place where here that big warehouse
[01:40:10.280] where
[01:40:11.400] uh
[01:40:12.360] uh
[01:40:13.760] at the end of the Indiana Jones movie.
[01:40:16.080] The task was
[01:40:18.560] compare and contrast
[01:40:21.920] our psychic ability with the ET psychic
[01:40:25.920] ability.
[01:40:27.760] And um
[01:40:31.480] I got access to a bunch of stuff that
[01:40:34.080] most people will never see. But um the
[01:40:37.120] end result of that study that I did, I
[01:40:40.000] had already found out
[01:40:42.280] that you can divide psychically
[01:40:46.080] the ETs into four different groups.
[01:40:48.960] Uh there's not
[01:40:50.520] us and them, there's us and them and
[01:40:52.040] them and them and them and them and them
[01:40:53.360] and them.
[01:40:54.280] And uh you can cut them into four
[01:40:56.160] different groups, friends and enemies.
[01:40:59.640] And those who have more psychic ability
[01:41:02.360] than we have, and those who are equal or
[01:41:05.200] less psychic than we are.
[01:41:07.334] >> [gasps]
[01:41:07.840] >> The
[01:41:08.960] enemies who are equal or less than we
[01:41:11.600] are
[01:41:13.080] try to stay away from here.
[01:41:14.920] They don't like us. Okay.
[01:41:17.159] >> [sighs]
[01:41:17.960] >> The friends who are less or equal to us
[01:41:22.560] psychically
[01:41:24.000] come here for trade.
[01:41:26.520] Come here for trade.
[01:41:28.240] And um
[01:41:30.000] the
[01:41:31.680] ones who are more psychic than we are
[01:41:34.160] and friends want us to become psychic.
[01:41:37.560] >> Mhm.
[01:41:39.720] >> The ones who are enemies and more
[01:41:42.960] psychic than we are don't want us off
[01:41:45.240] this planet. They'd be very happy to
[01:41:47.560] just wipe the planet off, you know.
[01:41:50.280] Kill all human spirit.
[01:41:52.200] And uh I couldn't figure out why.
[01:41:55.440] And this one um
[01:41:57.720] this one event that
[01:42:00.200] I got the record of.
[01:42:02.840] There were three guys camping at a lake.
[01:42:06.480] And they It was night time. They saw a
[01:42:09.880] UFO come. And they were standing there
[01:42:12.440] on the lake looking at it.
[01:42:14.640] It came up right over them. And all of a
[01:42:18.040] sudden they couldn't move. They were
[01:42:19.400] frozen. And they got abducted.
[01:42:22.480] And there was something about that
[01:42:26.960] that uh
[01:42:28.560] sort of just
[01:42:30.320] made everything that I'd studied before
[01:42:32.640] that fall together.
[01:42:34.680] And that is that
[01:42:36.600] those ETs had much more psychic ability
[01:42:40.160] than the humans, but no range.
[01:42:43.360] >> Mhm.
[01:42:44.040] >> They had to be right over them in order
[01:42:46.640] to do anything.
[01:42:47.720] >> Mhm.
[01:42:48.520] >> With the remote viewing we can see
[01:42:51.080] across space and time
[01:42:54.000] like looking across the room at stove or
[01:42:56.480] something, you know?
[01:42:57.440] >> Mhm.
[01:42:58.000] >> No different.
[01:42:59.840] If we develop our psychic ability
[01:43:04.000] when we get out in the space
[01:43:07.440] we are going to be a power in the
[01:43:09.120] universe because we can see
[01:43:11.720] way into the future
[01:43:14.520] anywhere in space and all that.
[01:43:17.560] And evidently they can't.
[01:43:19.480] >> Mhm.
[01:43:20.720] >> And so we have that ability. That's why
[01:43:24.120] our friends want us out there.
[01:43:28.120] And our enemies don't want us off
[01:43:30.680] through planet.
[01:43:32.160] >> Do you have a sense of like
[01:43:34.480] a taxonomies of non-human intelligence,
[01:43:37.600] like the species and stuff cuz
[01:43:40.400] I'm not going to lie. When I
[01:43:42.800] speak to people about when people
[01:43:44.840] volunteer information about this, I'm
[01:43:46.600] often skeptical. And then in the event
[01:43:49.560] in which we are, you know, being visited
[01:43:52.120] by non-human intelligence, which I
[01:43:53.720] believe we are,
[01:43:54.920] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:43:55.400] >> then
[01:43:56.600] it's somehow obviously very important to
[01:43:58.400] categorize them as you as you just have.
[01:44:01.160] But can you categorize them further by
[01:44:03.680] they're from XYZ planet, you know,
[01:44:06.240] >> Oh, you mean in those four groups?
[01:44:08.000] >> Yeah, I mean like the classic thing
[01:44:09.240] would be like Nordic, grays, reptilians,
[01:44:11.440] like
[01:44:11.880] >> found it was that like the Nordics, the
[01:44:15.040] grays, and all that
[01:44:16.360] >> Mhm.
[01:44:17.200] >> fit into all four groups.
[01:44:18.960] >> Mhm.
[01:44:19.520] >> So, there are grays that hate us, grays
[01:44:21.720] that like us, grays that are more
[01:44:24.120] psychic than we are, grays that
[01:44:26.160] >> Mhm.
[01:44:27.240] >> couldn't view their way out of a paper
[01:44:28.760] bag if the top was open, you know, and
[01:44:31.800] uh
[01:44:32.680] like many of us.
[01:44:34.160] And um
[01:44:35.840] and that
[01:44:37.720] there was no
[01:44:39.560] seemed to be no separating them
[01:44:42.880] according to type into any of those four
[01:44:45.720] groups that
[01:44:47.880] at some point
[01:44:51.880] there are
[01:44:54.160] people in any of those four groups that
[01:44:56.840] I mean in any race
[01:44:59.600] that fit into all those four groups.
[01:45:01.560] >> Have you ever seen a UFO in a hangar?
[01:45:05.840] >> Not in a hangar.
[01:45:07.480] Well,
[01:45:08.720] uh in the viewing of um Mount Hayes, uh
[01:45:11.960] Mount um
[01:45:14.720] Mount Zion.
[01:45:16.000] >> Have you ever seen a UFO
[01:45:18.280] in the possession of the American
[01:45:20.080] military? Not just a UFO that's flying
[01:45:22.960] around, you know, in the woods somewhere
[01:45:24.840] or something like that.
[01:45:25.480] >> one I've seen was in that hangar
[01:45:27.920] where the collision had taken place and
[01:45:29.840] there was just a a massive dump of
[01:45:33.080] of
[01:45:33.923] >> [sighs]
[01:45:34.360] >> debris and that
[01:45:36.560] uh
[01:45:38.200] that control panel was there in that
[01:45:40.800] debris.
[01:45:41.400] >> And so where was this? Where did you see
[01:45:43.560] this?
[01:45:45.600] >> You're about to where I can't answer.
[01:45:48.120] >> Can't answer. Um
[01:45:50.760] But so you must have had a very high
[01:45:52.760] clearance at the time.
[01:45:54.560] >> Oh yeah, I had one of the highest
[01:45:56.080] clearances uh
[01:45:58.158] >> [gasps]
[01:45:58.720] >> not only for the remote viewing but for
[01:46:00.960] other stuff that I've done
[01:46:03.920] that will never be talked about. And
[01:46:08.480] I've heard that only 17 people have ever
[01:46:11.200] had that.
[01:46:12.120] >> Really?
[01:46:12.560] >> I don't know if that's true or not.
[01:46:14.200] >> So it's basically the highest clearance
[01:46:16.240] you can get?
[01:46:17.840] >> Oh.
[01:46:19.320] When I was given that clearance
[01:46:21.480] I asked that he said that's the highest
[01:46:23.320] clearance I've ever given anybody.
[01:46:25.480] And I said, "Well, what is the highest
[01:46:27.280] clearance?"
[01:46:28.680] He said, "Oh, there is one but nobody
[01:46:31.080] ever gets it." And I said, "What's
[01:46:32.760] that?" He said, "Truth."
[01:46:35.493] >> [laughter]
[01:46:36.720] >> Truth, I like that.
[01:46:38.240] >> Truth, nobody learns the truth.
[01:46:40.080] >> Yeah, that's funny.
[01:46:41.480] But you had the highest human clearance
[01:46:44.160] in the federal government.
[01:46:45.760] >> I just I had the highest clearance of
[01:46:48.240] anybody I've ever met. And one time uh
[01:46:51.400] Burt and I were out at
[01:46:53.040] out lunch and he said, "What is your
[01:46:55.040] clearance?" And I said,
[01:46:56.600] uh
[01:46:58.120] uh TS/SI/SAP.
[01:47:01.560] And
[01:47:02.640] his
[01:47:05.200] utensils went down he said,
[01:47:07.560] "What?" He said, "I can't even get
[01:47:10.000] that."
[01:47:11.519] >> [laughter]
[01:47:12.400] >> Oh.
[01:47:13.480] >> And so anyway, but it was because of
[01:47:16.720] other work that
[01:47:19.800] outside of the remote viewing unit and
[01:47:21.880] outside of all the other that uh uh
[01:47:26.840] I was doing.
[01:47:27.720] >> Mhm.
[01:47:29.160] Well, I think that clearance needs a
[01:47:30.840] little bit of a rebrand for our
[01:47:32.200] audience. That is not SIOP,
[01:47:34.120] psychological operation.
[01:47:35.640] >> No, it's not.
[01:47:36.409] >> [laughter]
[01:47:37.080] >> Strategic and
[01:47:38.480] integrated operational, SIOP.
[01:47:40.600] >> SIOP.
[01:47:42.040] >> Yeah.
[01:47:42.240] >> Uh so, don't get any ideas. But, um um
[01:47:45.440] this UFO
[01:47:47.200] that you saw the debris of in a hangar,
[01:47:49.280] did you see that in person?
[01:47:50.880] >> Yeah.
[01:47:51.480] >> So, that wasn't a remote viewing
[01:47:52.560] session?
[01:47:53.800] >> No, that wasn't a remote viewing. I was
[01:47:55.360] standing there in front of it and
[01:47:56.880] >> You were standing in front of a crashed
[01:47:58.560] UFO in a hangar.
[01:48:01.400] >> This hangar was dealing with mid-air
[01:48:04.240] collisions.
[01:48:05.760] And so, the guy
[01:48:08.000] my friend was showing me around and
[01:48:09.680] showing me how they put the planes back
[01:48:11.520] together and all that. And they had
[01:48:13.440] these piles of rubble all over and they
[01:48:15.560] were, you know,
[01:48:17.480] to figure out what happened with the
[01:48:18.920] mid-air collision. And we passed by this
[01:48:20.880] one
[01:48:21.920] and here was the control panel of a UFO,
[01:48:24.080] which I had seen and operated before.
[01:48:26.760] And uh
[01:48:28.120] and I said,
[01:48:30.560] "That's out of UFO."
[01:48:33.080] And it echoed in this
[01:48:35.400] metal Quonset
[01:48:38.320] building.
[01:48:39.880] And immediately
[01:48:42.280] the
[01:48:44.320] uh
[01:48:46.160] colonel who was in charge came running
[01:48:48.840] out of his office and I mean, just ran
[01:48:50.720] me out of the place.
[01:48:54.355] >> [laughter]
[01:48:54.840] >> A lot of questions. So, you said
[01:48:57.120] something interesting there. You said,
[01:48:58.240] "Which I had operated before." So, you
[01:49:01.160] knew that this was a UFO
[01:49:04.240] control panel because you had some prior
[01:49:06.320] experience with it.
[01:49:07.200] >> I had I was I had a
[01:49:10.560] I was abducted.
[01:49:11.880] >> Mhm.
[01:49:12.280] >> Okay?
[01:49:13.600] Uh I was a Methodist minister
[01:49:17.080] uh in East Texas.
[01:49:20.040] And the um
[01:49:22.400] Methodist used
[01:49:24.200] they move their
[01:49:26.200] young preachers around from church to
[01:49:28.160] church to give them experience.
[01:49:30.920] Every year you move to a different
[01:49:32.400] church.
[01:49:33.440] And uh, it was time to move. My family
[01:49:36.320] had already moved to the new parsonage.
[01:49:38.880] >> And when you say parsonage
[01:49:40.280] >> Parsonage is where the preacher lives.
[01:49:43.200] It's the house where the preacher lives.
[01:49:44.840] >> Okay.
[01:49:45.720] >> I was cleaning out the old parsonage.
[01:49:48.000] Got it all cleaned out. Everything was
[01:49:49.720] in the U-Haul.
[01:49:51.800] And um
[01:49:53.280] it was late at night.
[01:49:55.200] And I was tired. So, I made a pallet
[01:49:57.400] down on the living room floor.
[01:50:00.680] And laid down.
[01:50:03.120] Um, and [clears throat]
[01:50:06.640] I was wide awake.
[01:50:09.640] And I heard something land in the
[01:50:11.120] backyard.
[01:50:12.800] Now, this was a country church.
[01:50:16.960] We were
[01:50:18.800] over a quarter mile off the nearest
[01:50:20.840] road.
[01:50:21.960] In the woods and all that. And um
[01:50:25.080] and I heard something land in the
[01:50:27.400] backyard.
[01:50:28.676] >> [gasps]
[01:50:29.240] >> And I knew it wasn't a helicopter.
[01:50:32.680] It didn't sound like a helicopter. It
[01:50:34.920] sounded like um
[01:50:38.560] uh, the the best
[01:50:41.560] example I can give is where some kid
[01:50:44.240] sticks a playing card spoke of his
[01:50:47.000] bicycle and
[01:50:48.520] and you put it
[01:50:50.160] It was like that.
[01:50:51.720] And uh, so
[01:50:54.680] I was going to get up and
[01:50:56.600] go to the back room and see what was in
[01:50:58.520] the backyard.
[01:50:59.760] I couldn't move. And I was wide awake.
[01:51:02.120] It wasn't sleep paralysis at all. I was
[01:51:04.320] wide awake.
[01:51:05.640] I couldn't move. And I heard somebody
[01:51:09.400] walking around the house to the front
[01:51:11.640] window looking in.
[01:51:14.527] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:51:15.520] >> And immediately I woke up
[01:51:18.560] and I was sitting
[01:51:20.160] in a white room.
[01:51:22.360] There were two rows of seats.
[01:51:24.960] And I was sitting here.
[01:51:28.600] There was an elderly elder woman sitting
[01:51:31.880] here.
[01:51:32.960] I tried talking to her and she was just
[01:51:34.760] frozen.
[01:51:36.120] And there were empty seats over here in
[01:51:37.640] the window.
[01:51:39.760] Now, when I fly
[01:51:42.160] I have to have a window seat.
[01:51:44.560] I
[01:51:45.640] can't deal with being inside. You know,
[01:51:48.360] I I have to have a window seat.
[01:51:49.800] Especially on a UFO.
[01:51:51.600] Well, no, in a plane, you know.
[01:51:53.827] >> [laughter]
[01:51:54.200] >> And so I was sitting there and this
[01:51:58.760] tall
[01:52:00.200] muscled up must been must have been 7 ft
[01:52:03.280] tall
[01:52:04.240] and muscled up like Arnold
[01:52:06.120] Schwarzenegger
[01:52:07.520] and just pale as could be
[01:52:10.000] uh came into the room there.
[01:52:13.960] And I said, "Excuse me, can I sit by the
[01:52:17.600] window?" He got this look of fear on his
[01:52:20.760] face and turned around and ran out.
[01:52:23.520] And uh
[01:52:25.240] so a few minutes later
[01:52:27.400] a little gray with three of these big
[01:52:29.960] guys huddled behind the gray for
[01:52:32.800] protection. You know,
[01:52:35.200] uh came in and the gray started talking
[01:52:37.360] to me and I would nod almost going to
[01:52:39.920] sleep and then wake up.
[01:52:41.642] >> [gasps]
[01:52:42.080] >> Finally the gray said
[01:52:44.440] "You know, we've got work to do. Come
[01:52:46.600] with me."
[01:52:48.000] He took me up front. He was the pilot.
[01:52:51.280] And
[01:52:52.360] uh he had me kneel down
[01:52:54.560] in front of the control panel.
[01:52:56.708] >> [gasps]
[01:52:57.440] >> With me kneeling down
[01:53:00.000] and him standing we were eye to eye.
[01:53:03.280] So that tells you his size, you know.
[01:53:06.280] But um
[01:53:07.520] I was watching him. He was talking. We
[01:53:10.080] were talking to each other and all that.
[01:53:12.000] We We would land
[01:53:14.560] the
[01:53:15.440] tall white guys would go out and come
[01:53:17.160] back in and I guess they were picking up
[01:53:19.400] more people.
[01:53:20.800] We'd take off again and finally he said,
[01:53:23.040] uh, "We're going on a long jump now."
[01:53:26.360] And, uh, so we went on this thing where
[01:53:28.720] we didn't land for quite a while.
[01:53:31.280] And, uh, I said,
[01:53:33.240] "I've been watching. Can I Can I try
[01:53:35.320] it?"
[01:53:36.440] And he said, "No, human hands are too
[01:53:38.080] small."
[01:53:39.283] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:53:39.520] >> Well, I have some very large hands.
[01:53:42.000] And so,
[01:53:43.680] uh,
[01:53:44.400] he said, "Put your hand up." And I put
[01:53:47.040] my hand up. He put his up and his were
[01:53:49.280] almost the same We were almost the same
[01:53:51.240] size hands.
[01:53:52.800] And, uh,
[01:53:54.320] so he said, "I'll let you try."
[01:53:58.440] And I tried it and didn't wreck the
[01:54:01.920] place. I I didn't wreck the thing, but
[01:54:04.760] he was standing right over me just in
[01:54:06.400] case, you know. And, um, so I tried it
[01:54:09.600] and I learned how to do it. Anyway, we
[01:54:12.160] landed at some place that was not Earth.
[01:54:16.280] And, uh, the sky was black. The sun was
[01:54:19.400] out, but very dim.
[01:54:21.400] And, um,
[01:54:23.040] and
[01:54:25.200] looked out the window, the front window,
[01:54:28.120] and there were two other ships.
[01:54:30.400] There was a string of people
[01:54:32.880] going.
[01:54:34.200] And I asked him, "What do you do here?"
[01:54:36.520] And he said, "We're medical team." He
[01:54:38.640] said, um,
[01:54:40.240] "We catch a lot of diseases going
[01:54:42.920] spaces around space." And he said,
[01:54:46.040] "We have no immunity.
[01:54:48.040] But, you people are like
[01:54:50.440] antibody factories. We use your
[01:54:52.680] antibodies
[01:54:54.160] for health." They said, "There are only
[01:54:55.760] three of three of our ships." And all
[01:54:57.480] that.
[01:54:58.560] And so, anyway,
[01:55:00.280] um,
[01:55:02.040] came our time to get off and I filed
[01:55:05.840] back with the other people and I was
[01:55:08.000] getting off and they were going up this
[01:55:10.984] >> [gasps]
[01:55:11.640] >> uh path to a pavilion that was up on the
[01:55:14.680] hill.
[01:55:16.000] He grabbed me by the arm and he said,
[01:55:18.360] "You don't want to go up there."
[01:55:20.520] And uh he pulled me over to the side and
[01:55:22.960] we sat down on the grass on the hillside
[01:55:26.680] and the grass was totally black, which I
[01:55:29.600] found out
[01:55:30.880] from somebody later. They said, "Well,
[01:55:32.720] of course it was black. With no
[01:55:35.920] bright sun, it had to absorb different
[01:55:38.160] rays and so it had to be black to absorb
[01:55:40.640] I don't know." They gave me a scientific
[01:55:42.600] reason for it.
[01:55:43.735] >> [gasps]
[01:55:43.920] >> But um
[01:55:46.560] as we sat there, we were talking
[01:55:49.360] and you could hear up on the hill
[01:55:51.200] somebody would scream in horror and
[01:55:54.120] everybody would else would laugh.
[01:55:57.280] And then it'd go quiet. And then
[01:55:59.480] somebody else would scream in horror and
[01:56:01.560] everybody would laugh and all that and
[01:56:03.400] they they took turns.
[01:56:05.350] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:56:05.680] >> And so I was glad I wasn't up there.
[01:56:08.960] But anyway, as we talked, he was
[01:56:11.120] answering questions and we were talking
[01:56:13.320] and um I said, "Well,
[01:56:15.920] what are you implanting in us?"
[01:56:19.520] And he was confused. He
[01:56:22.320] said, "We don't implant anything into
[01:56:24.360] you."
[01:56:25.160] I said, "Well, we find these
[01:56:27.200] these glass-like things and things like
[01:56:29.640] that implanted in us."
[01:56:31.760] He said, "Oh, you people won't be still.
[01:56:34.280] The tips of our instruments wear off."
[01:56:36.790] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:56:37.560] >> And I said, "Well,
[01:56:40.480] why do you stick those?" He said,
[01:56:43.680] "Because we take
[01:56:46.280] one or two cells of our diseased tissue,
[01:56:50.000] put it on that tip and implant it into
[01:56:52.480] you and you will start making
[01:56:54.080] antibodies.
[01:56:56.000] And then we come back and harvest the
[01:56:57.760] antibodies.
[01:56:59.160] And he said, "You people won't be still,
[01:57:00.720] the tips break off."
[01:57:02.520] >> Mhm.
[01:57:03.480] >> And so that's what that was.
[01:57:05.720] >> Uh
[01:57:06.360] so, when you say that you heard laughing
[01:57:09.800] and then, you know, somebody would shout
[01:57:11.960] out
[01:57:12.480] >> gang would laugh while somebody was
[01:57:14.360] screaming and and just pain and horror.
[01:57:17.240] >> So, do you think that was like an
[01:57:18.400] operation going on?
[01:57:19.880] >> They were doing something to them. I'm
[01:57:21.840] not sure what.
[01:57:22.960] >> This antibody infusion?
[01:57:25.160] >> I guess.
[01:57:26.000] >> Yeah. Or this tissue infusion that would
[01:57:27.560] create the antibodies?
[01:57:28.760] >> I don't know. I wasn't up there. So, but
[01:57:31.160] that's what I'm guessing.
[01:57:32.240] >> is once you've landed on Do you know
[01:57:33.840] where this other planet is?
[01:57:35.440] >> No, I don't. Uh-oh. I just know it
[01:57:37.400] wasn't Earth. I knew that.
[01:57:39.800] >> Is the other guy, you know, the 7-ft guy
[01:57:42.600] who looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
[01:57:44.440] >> They were still on the ship, I guess. I
[01:57:46.880] was sitting there with the little gray
[01:57:48.520] on the on the hillside.
[01:57:50.560] >> So, it's like the grays and the, you
[01:57:52.320] know, these like Nordic-like things are
[01:57:54.200] working together?
[01:57:56.240] >> These weren't Nordics.
[01:57:57.800] >> What were they?
[01:57:59.160] >> They were just
[01:58:00.760] They struck me as being dumb as a rock.
[01:58:03.480] >> Mhm.
[01:58:03.920] >> Uh
[01:58:05.320] Uh they were just
[01:58:07.240] workers
[01:58:08.800] for the gray.
[01:58:10.200] I don't know what they were doing. They
[01:58:11.960] were going out and getting people and
[01:58:13.320] coming back.
[01:58:14.386] >> [gasps]
[01:58:15.120] >> How do you fly a UFO?
[01:58:17.661] >> [sighs]
[01:58:18.680] >> Um
[01:58:20.320] Well,
[01:58:21.960] let me go on with the story, okay?
[01:58:23.800] >> Yeah, sure.
[01:58:24.640] >> Um
[01:58:26.360] Uh
[01:58:27.440] when everybody came back down,
[01:58:29.720] uh well, while we're there on the
[01:58:31.560] mountain side,
[01:58:32.800] on the hillside, um
[01:58:35.480] the pilot said to me, "I want some I
[01:58:38.400] want you to meet somebody." He went off
[01:58:40.120] and got another one that came back,
[01:58:42.520] sat down on the hill behind me and said,
[01:58:45.400] "Put up your hand."
[01:58:47.000] So, I put up my hand. He put his hand on
[01:58:49.040] the back of mine.
[01:58:51.067] >> [sighs and gasps]
[01:58:51.800] >> And from that point on, I remembered
[01:58:54.760] nothing until the people were coming
[01:58:56.840] back down the hill
[01:58:58.520] and I was in line with them getting back
[01:59:00.640] onto the ship.
[01:59:02.857] >> [gasps]
[01:59:03.200] >> And uh
[01:59:04.600] I turned to the pilot and I said, "I'd
[01:59:06.960] like to remember all this." And he said,
[01:59:08.760] "Well, you won't."
[01:59:12.000] So,
[01:59:13.240] the next morning, I was standing at the
[01:59:15.760] back window of the parsonage there
[01:59:19.040] looking out.
[01:59:21.640] Could not remember why I was there. I
[01:59:23.640] thought, "Well, have I been sleepwalking
[01:59:25.120] or what?"
[01:59:26.560] And was just so confused
[01:59:29.320] for about 5 or 6 minutes and then I
[01:59:32.360] realized, "Oh, yeah.
[01:59:34.760] I'm moving to the new parsonage."
[01:59:37.680] So, I gathered up the pallet I had made,
[01:59:40.200] threw it into the U-Haul, and drove off
[01:59:42.360] thinking
[01:59:43.760] I'd forgotten something.
[01:59:47.320] Over the next 25 years,
[01:59:50.520] that grew and grew and grew until
[01:59:53.680] I couldn't leave the house without going
[01:59:55.600] back five times. What have I forgotten?
[01:59:57.920] What have I forgotten?
[01:59:59.520] And uh no matter where we lived.
[02:00:02.280] And so, one day we were headed for
[02:00:04.160] church
[02:00:05.720] and uh my wife
[02:00:08.400] was sick and tired of all this, you you
[02:00:10.840] know.
[02:00:11.633] >> [gasps]
[02:00:11.760] >> And uh so, she said,
[02:00:14.280] "Did you check the basement?" Yes, I
[02:00:16.040] checked the basement. "Did you check the
[02:00:17.200] kitchen? Did you check the stove? Did
[02:00:18.880] you check you know?" And I said, "Yes."
[02:00:20.720] And she said, "Did you check the
[02:00:22.000] backyard?"
[02:00:24.400] And when she said that,
[02:00:26.520] 25 years later after the event, it all
[02:00:29.880] came flooding back.
[02:00:31.938] >> [sighs]
[02:00:32.520] >> And I remembered.
[02:00:35.120] And
[02:00:36.640] I thought, "This is stupid. I've never
[02:00:39.360] been abducted. Come on, give me a
[02:00:41.280] break." And but it hit me so hard, I sat
[02:00:44.280] down on the front steps and I just
[02:00:46.160] couldn't move.
[02:00:47.880] And so the next day
[02:00:51.920] I was in the remote viewing unit by that
[02:00:54.120] time.
[02:00:54.960] The next day I got some encrypted
[02:00:57.400] coordinates, just some numbers, and I
[02:00:59.360] gave it to all the people as a practice
[02:01:01.320] target.
[02:01:03.600] And they came back with what I had
[02:01:06.000] remembered. Really?
[02:01:08.600] And so
[02:01:10.560] I thought
[02:01:12.760] telepathic overlay, they're just reading
[02:01:15.040] my mind.
[02:01:16.240] It never happened.
[02:01:18.360] So um
[02:01:19.960] evidently it was Ed Dames
[02:01:22.360] that reported me.
[02:01:24.640] And the following week I was up at the
[02:01:27.000] Defense Intelligence Agency
[02:01:29.440] going to see the director.
[02:01:31.480] And the two men in black stepped out of
[02:01:33.600] an off out of
[02:01:35.240] little conference room, pointed in,
[02:01:38.080] and I knew the routine of the men in
[02:01:40.840] black. And so I went in
[02:01:43.600] and sat down.
[02:01:46.720] The men in black are not aliens, okay?
[02:01:50.520] They're a hired professional
[02:01:53.200] interrogator.
[02:01:55.440] And the other person
[02:01:57.800] who sits off to the side and never says
[02:01:59.920] anything
[02:02:01.800] is the person from a unit that has
[02:02:04.280] questions
[02:02:06.240] that they give to the interrogator, and
[02:02:08.280] he sits over there and listens for
[02:02:09.840] answers. That's why he sits over there
[02:02:11.720] and never says anything.
[02:02:13.720] And so
[02:02:15.320] the interrogator has a list of
[02:02:18.120] questions. He jumbles them back and
[02:02:20.080] forth, and you know, mixes them up and
[02:02:23.160] says them in different ways to see if
[02:02:24.720] you're going to trip yourself up.
[02:02:26.960] And so he was he kept asking about the
[02:02:30.760] control panel.
[02:02:33.360] And um
[02:02:35.680] and
[02:02:37.240] I thought when they stepped out in the
[02:02:39.800] hallway, I thought
[02:02:41.840] they want to see somebody with my
[02:02:43.400] clearance is going crazy.
[02:02:46.120] So, I thought that's what it was in
[02:02:47.560] there for, but he kept asking about the
[02:02:49.280] control panel.
[02:02:51.120] And so, about the fourth or fifth time
[02:02:53.920] he asked, I said, "No, this is how you
[02:02:57.040] work it."
[02:02:58.400] And explained it.
[02:03:01.320] And the guy over to the side slapped his
[02:03:04.040] leg and said, "So, that's it."
[02:03:09.640] I looked over and I realized he's got
[02:03:12.640] one and didn't know how to fly it.
[02:03:15.840] I looked back at the interrogator
[02:03:18.960] and grinned.
[02:03:20.840] The interrogator is trained to never
[02:03:22.640] make an expression of any kind.
[02:03:25.440] But, his ears started turning red. I
[02:03:27.640] could tell he was angry.
[02:03:29.800] And within 20 seconds, I was in the room
[02:03:32.280] by myself. They were gone.
[02:03:34.560] And uh
[02:03:36.000] so, I thought
[02:03:39.360] maybe I was abducted. I don't know.
[02:03:43.240] Then, about a year later
[02:03:45.440] I was at this facility on this other
[02:03:48.560] mission.
[02:03:50.560] Met this guy that I had known way back
[02:03:54.200] years before in the military.
[02:03:56.760] Found out what he did. He showed me
[02:03:58.680] through this hangar.
[02:04:00.360] And um
[02:04:01.880] that's where I came across this panel
[02:04:03.880] and I said, "That's out of a UFO."
[02:04:07.080] I got kicked out of there.
[02:04:09.400] But, the minute I saw the minute I saw
[02:04:11.760] that, I thought
[02:04:15.320] "Shit, I was abducted."
[02:04:18.571] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:04:19.480] >> What did the control panel look like?
[02:04:21.720] >> Um it has a
[02:04:24.720] an impression of a hand on it. This one
[02:04:28.000] The one in the hangar did.
[02:04:29.800] The one on the ship didn't. Um had the
[02:04:33.040] impression of a hand. There are holes
[02:04:34.640] over it.
[02:04:35.880] Okay?
[02:04:37.360] And uh
[02:04:38.920] where you put your finger over the hole
[02:04:41.560] is what
[02:04:44.120] works the
[02:04:45.480] uh
[02:04:46.360] works the controls the ship.
[02:04:48.440] >> Any sort of surface materials, metallic?
[02:04:52.880] >> Metal, yeah.
[02:04:54.000] >> Metal?
[02:04:54.520] >> But um
[02:04:56.200] it's the holes. The holes.
[02:04:58.880] >> Where you put your Where you stop one of
[02:05:00.760] the holes up, that's how they control
[02:05:02.600] the ship.
[02:05:03.520] >> Was it gray or any particular color?
[02:05:08.040] >> It was just metal that
[02:05:09.920] as far as I remember, yeah.
[02:05:12.480] >> And so when you said, "I think that's a
[02:05:15.440] control panel from a UFO." you clearly
[02:05:17.240] hit a nerve.
[02:05:18.560] >> I said, "That's out of a UFO."
[02:05:21.680] I was definite statement, "That's out of
[02:05:23.960] a UFO." and it just echoed in that
[02:05:25.920] hangar. And uh
[02:05:27.680] >> And they got angry immediately.
[02:05:29.520] >> Oh, yeah. Oh, they kicked me out, man.
[02:05:33.080] Uh with warnings, they kicked me out.
[02:05:35.960] Yeah.
[02:05:37.160] >> What What were the warnings?
[02:05:38.440] >> Well, you don't tell this about anybody.
[02:05:40.240] We You know,
[02:05:42.200] uh
[02:05:42.760] you don't ever mention this about to
[02:05:45.000] anybody.
[02:05:46.200] >> Why do you feel okay talking about it
[02:05:47.960] now?
[02:05:49.160] >> Uh because I can talk about it. I can't
[02:05:51.880] tell you where it is.
[02:05:53.240] >> No context is okay?
[02:05:55.080] >> Yeah. Uh-huh.
[02:05:56.040] >> Yeah.
[02:05:57.160] And uh when were you abducted? What
[02:05:59.520] year?
[02:06:01.406] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:06:02.200] >> Uh it was 25 years before that. So, it'd
[02:06:05.240] be uh
[02:06:08.480] 60
[02:06:11.640] 63, 65, somewhere around there.
[02:06:14.440] >> Sure. And was it
[02:06:16.000] from your place and were you in New
[02:06:17.520] Mexico at the time or
[02:06:18.800] >> No, I was in Texas. You're in Texas. Um
[02:06:21.600] Um in East Texas. East Texas church,
[02:06:24.800] yeah.
[02:06:25.440] >> Mhm.
[02:06:26.000] >> And did that have any transform it You
[02:06:29.080] mentioned some abductees,
[02:06:31.920] you know, have greater psychic powers.
[02:06:33.520] Did that, you know, change you in any
[02:06:35.440] sort of way?
[02:06:37.120] >> I don't think so.
[02:06:38.960] Um
[02:06:40.080] like I say, growing up
[02:06:43.320] when I was
[02:06:45.000] 12 and 15, I was
[02:06:48.040] all this PK stuff.
[02:06:50.160] And uh
[02:06:51.680] I had had some psychic experiences when
[02:06:55.040] I was young and all through life.
[02:06:57.737] >> [sighs]
[02:06:57.880] >> But nothing
[02:06:59.600] astounding of any way.
[02:07:02.240] And then when Bert put me into the
[02:07:05.680] remote viewing unit, that's where I
[02:07:08.120] learned
[02:07:09.528] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:07:10.360] >> the controlled remote viewing
[02:07:12.520] to use your psychic ability to collect
[02:07:15.280] intelligence.
[02:07:16.160] >> Mhm.
[02:07:17.720] So fascinating. Mhm.
[02:07:21.480] And how long do you do you feel like you
[02:07:23.520] were on this UFO for when you were
[02:07:25.000] abducted?
[02:07:26.240] >> Well, it was
[02:07:27.840] it felt like hours and oh, it felt like
[02:07:32.200] a long time.
[02:07:33.440] >> Did you have missing time at all like in
[02:07:35.880] in the real world?
[02:07:37.640] >> Well,
[02:07:39.160] I was there
[02:07:40.880] on the pallet in the living room.
[02:07:43.760] And
[02:07:45.320] the next morning I was standing at the
[02:07:47.120] back window looking out at the backyard.
[02:07:50.280] So,
[02:07:51.680] had to be just overnight.
[02:07:53.800] You know.
[02:07:55.920] >> Did anyone in your family ask what had
[02:07:58.680] happened to you?
[02:08:00.200] >> No, because when I left and went to the
[02:08:03.240] new parsonage
[02:08:05.440] I felt like I'd forgotten something at
[02:08:07.400] the other parsonage, but I didn't
[02:08:10.240] remember any of it for 25 years.
[02:08:13.600] >> Until So, was it it was the control
[02:08:16.520] panel that you saw in the hangar that
[02:08:19.480] freaked you out and made you remember
[02:08:21.160] the abduction?
[02:08:21.880] >> No, it was when my wife said, "Did you
[02:08:24.600] check the backyard?" Okay. And she was
[02:08:27.480] making fun of me, but when she said
[02:08:29.440] that,
[02:08:31.240] it all came back.
[02:08:33.360] >> Really?
[02:08:34.040] >> And so, the next
[02:08:36.000] Monday,
[02:08:36.720] >> Uh-huh.
[02:08:37.400] >> I went to work there at the remote
[02:08:38.800] viewing unit, gave them the task, and
[02:08:41.320] they confirmed it. I didn't believe it.
[02:08:43.848] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:08:44.680] >> The men in black confirmed it. I didn't
[02:08:46.560] believe it.
[02:08:48.320] A year later,
[02:08:50.280] I saw that pile of stuff
[02:08:52.840] in that hangar,
[02:08:54.280] saw the control panel, and that's when I
[02:08:56.640] said,
[02:08:58.760] "Shit, I was abducted."
[02:09:00.879] >> [laughter]
[02:09:02.400] >> Got it. So, so what you had the
[02:09:04.160] flashback when your
[02:09:05.760] wife said, "Go check the backyard."
[02:09:08.480] >> Yeah, but that was
[02:09:10.600] That was 20
[02:09:11.560] >> you the flashback?
[02:09:14.000] >> Evidently, because
[02:09:16.440] when that happened,
[02:09:18.280] I was trying to get up and go to the
[02:09:20.000] backyard and see what
[02:09:21.720] what happened, what landed.
[02:09:24.960] And so, I didn't remember the whole I
[02:09:27.640] didn't remember any of it.
[02:09:29.920] When I drove away from the Parson's that
[02:09:31.960] day to go to the new to the new house,
[02:09:35.440] uh
[02:09:37.520] all I could
[02:09:39.080] think of was how to get to the new
[02:09:41.000] house, and also the
[02:09:43.800] feeling that, "Hey, I forgot something."
[02:09:47.000] >> Did you have an implant at any point in
[02:09:48.920] your body afterwards?
[02:09:50.480] >> No. No.
[02:09:52.360] He He grabbed me by the arm, and he
[02:09:54.640] said, "You don't want to go up there."
[02:09:56.920] So.
[02:09:57.600] >> So, how do you fly a UFO? Cuz it did
[02:10:00.720] presumably this gray sort of taught you.
[02:10:03.400] >> He showed me the fingering and all that,
[02:10:06.040] and that's what I explained to the
[02:10:07.880] interrogator,
[02:10:09.560] and that's when the guy said, slapped
[02:10:11.800] his leg, and said, "So, that's it."
[02:10:14.200] >> Is there some sort of mental connection?
[02:10:16.480] >> No. Mhm.
[02:10:17.320] >> Just putting the fingers
[02:10:18.880] >> Just how you work the control panel.
[02:10:20.680] >> Because if I was the guy in the hangar,
[02:10:23.080] you said they had other crashed, you
[02:10:24.960] know, prosaic
[02:10:26.360] >> airplanes.
[02:10:27.000] >> crashed airplanes. Yeah. So, if I had
[02:10:28.760] other crashed airplanes and I was an
[02:10:30.080] aerospace person and I saw a control
[02:10:32.760] panel and it had a like, you know, five
[02:10:36.040] different little holes for for your
[02:10:38.360] fingers.
[02:10:38.960] >> had a bunch of holes, yeah.
[02:10:40.120] >> So, I my my
[02:10:42.440] maybe like initial assumption would be
[02:10:44.400] that's how you'd
[02:10:45.680] you know, fly it. But, you he didn't
[02:10:47.080] figure that out on his own.
[02:10:48.440] >> I imagine a regular aeronautics person
[02:10:51.520] would
[02:10:52.520] think what a piece of junk.
[02:10:53.800] >> Yeah, or that. Or they just would have
[02:10:55.160] no idea. So, he didn't even know it was
[02:10:56.760] a control panel. Yeah.
[02:10:58.480] >> Yeah.
[02:10:59.040] >> Interesting.
[02:10:59.520] >> But, evidently somebody knew it was a
[02:11:01.680] control panel and knew it.
[02:11:02.720] >> Because they got mad and kicked you out.
[02:11:04.640] >> Yeah, huh.
[02:11:05.985] >> [laughter]
[02:11:06.880] >> But, it was just sitting there like kind
[02:11:08.240] of unattended to?
[02:11:09.960] >> It was in a pile over to one side.
[02:11:12.040] >> Interesting.
[02:11:13.840] So bizarre. Do you Was this
[02:11:18.000] Do you think they had any intention of
[02:11:19.600] reverse engineering it?
[02:11:21.280] >> I have no idea. We just were walking
[02:11:23.720] past
[02:11:24.920] pile of wreckage, pile of wreckage, pile
[02:11:26.800] of wreckage and there was this one pile
[02:11:28.520] of wreckage and there was that
[02:11:30.880] control panels.
[02:11:31.920] >> Did you
[02:11:32.360] >> It was sitting up there.
[02:11:33.320] >> Did you experience any sort of psychic
[02:11:35.040] phenomena like around the metal that
[02:11:37.920] sometimes occurs? Okay.
[02:11:40.800] >> No.
[02:11:41.560] >> It was just there.
[02:11:42.440] >> I just saw it and
[02:11:44.640] hey, that's out of a UFO.
[02:11:46.400] >> Wow.
[02:11:48.560] It's pretty wild.
[02:11:49.680] >> Yeah.
[02:11:50.560] >> Has anyone else showed you a photo or a
[02:11:53.320] drawing of their abduction experience
[02:11:56.320] that looks at all like this control
[02:11:58.040] panel that you saw?
[02:11:59.240] >> No. Not a one.
[02:12:01.440] But, then they never show you the inside
[02:12:03.000] of the ship, I don't think.
[02:12:05.760] Uh I've never seen anything like that.
[02:12:07.680] They mean they tell stories about their
[02:12:09.600] abduction and all that, but uh
[02:12:13.480] >> Did you ever come across a guy named
[02:12:15.840] General uh William Neil McCasland.
[02:12:18.960] >> No.
[02:12:19.680] >> Who's at Wright-Patterson?
[02:12:21.040] >> No, I didn't know.
[02:12:22.800] >> Uh did you ever come across Hans Adams
[02:12:25.240] by any chance? The Liechtenstein royal
[02:12:28.120] prince? No?
[02:12:28.920] >> No, huh.
[02:12:29.320] >> Okay.
[02:12:30.520] >> In fact, the
[02:12:32.480] you know,
[02:12:35.066] >> [sighs]
[02:12:35.880] >> the UFOs that
[02:12:37.760] uh
[02:12:39.600] I've seen a lot of UFOs. I mean, I live
[02:12:42.080] in Alamogordo. We see UFOs all the time.
[02:12:44.960] And I mean, provable UFOs.
[02:12:47.920] And uh
[02:12:49.600] um
[02:12:51.040] it's gotten to where
[02:12:55.120] Yeah, it's a UFO. So?
[02:12:58.160] Yeah. So what?
[02:12:59.956] >> [laughter]
[02:13:00.680] >> And they're here. I know it.
[02:13:03.880] So?
[02:13:05.197] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:13:05.800] >> So what? There's nothing I can do about
[02:13:07.720] it.
[02:13:08.200] >> Do you think there's also a lineage of
[02:13:10.520] exotic propulsion that's man-made?
[02:13:14.366] >> [sighs]
[02:13:14.760] >> What my friend who did the
[02:13:18.560] technology transfer with one of the
[02:13:21.000] groups of aliens
[02:13:22.640] um
[02:13:23.840] told me at one time
[02:13:26.280] he said
[02:13:27.640] um
[02:13:29.560] way back when we found that if you
[02:13:31.480] explode something, it moves things.
[02:13:34.240] It blows things away.
[02:13:36.000] So, you can cause motion by exploding
[02:13:38.160] things.
[02:13:39.160] And that has led to the internal
[02:13:40.760] combustion engine and the jet plane and
[02:13:42.960] all that. You explode
[02:13:44.760] and it makes things move.
[02:13:47.680] Uh he said that
[02:13:50.080] the group he dealt with
[02:13:52.280] way back when they found that you can
[02:13:54.160] move things with magnets.
[02:13:56.240] >> Mhm.
[02:13:56.640] >> And that just as we have taken
[02:14:00.280] the
[02:14:02.000] fire and turned it into rockets that can
[02:14:05.800] go to other planets, you know, that can
[02:14:07.760] go to the moon.
[02:14:09.720] They have taken magnetism and over the
[02:14:11.920] centuries they have developed it to
[02:14:13.920] where
[02:14:15.160] and he said
[02:14:16.800] one of the things that he had seen
[02:14:19.600] was that we think they're so more
[02:14:21.920] advanced than we are.
[02:14:24.840] They think
[02:14:26.600] we're so far advanced than they are.
[02:14:30.000] When actually we've just advanced in two
[02:14:32.160] different directions.
[02:14:34.920] But he said that's why they're eager to
[02:14:36.560] trade with us.
[02:14:39.240] >> Interesting. Because we've like
[02:14:41.840] almost split off from them as far as our
[02:14:43.920] trajectories.
[02:14:44.920] >> Yeah. Uh-huh.
[02:14:45.720] >> Mhm. Is there anything having to do with
[02:14:47.640] timelines? Like are they us on a
[02:14:50.360] different timeline sort of thing?
[02:14:52.880] >> Not from anything I've heard [snorts]
[02:14:56.120] him say.
[02:14:57.880] >> Did you ever encounter any religious
[02:14:59.800] figures in your experience with remote
[02:15:01.880] viewing?
[02:15:02.960] >> Oh, yeah.
[02:15:04.240] >> Like who?
[02:15:04.920] >> Yeah, but not
[02:15:08.120] not tied with ETs or anything.
[02:15:10.320] >> Were you ever tasked with looking into
[02:15:12.320] the Buddha or Jesus or Muhammad?
[02:15:14.800] >> yeah.
[02:15:15.680] >> Which one of those?
[02:15:17.360] >> Um
[02:15:19.080] two that
[02:15:20.560] were
[02:15:22.080] most meaningful to me.
[02:15:24.160] Uh one time
[02:15:26.240] um
[02:15:27.520] well, I think we already mentioned that
[02:15:29.600] one of my fortes was
[02:15:32.200] mental access.
[02:15:34.240] And um
[02:15:36.320] so I was tasked a lot of times with
[02:15:39.040] doing personality profiles
[02:15:41.680] or
[02:15:43.280] even deeper than that
[02:15:45.200] getting the plans and intentions of
[02:15:46.960] foreign leaders.
[02:15:48.840] And personality profile is just where
[02:15:51.440] you give a personality profile of. So I
[02:15:54.680] went over one day and um
[02:15:57.000] they said we have a personality profile
[02:15:59.080] for you.
[02:16:00.520] And they gave me the coordinates
[02:16:02.960] and um
[02:16:05.240] just almost immediately
[02:16:07.960] I said uh uh
[02:16:10.480] this isn't one of the bad guys.
[02:16:13.800] And my monitor said, "What
[02:16:17.200] your task with it, go and do the
[02:16:18.480] session."
[02:16:19.734] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:16:20.120] >> By the end of that session um
[02:16:24.640] I was just feeling like I was glowing
[02:16:28.120] and uh
[02:16:29.480] um
[02:16:30.880] my entire summary on that session was
[02:16:33.840] whatever evil you think this guy did, he
[02:16:36.000] didn't do it.
[02:16:37.240] He's a good guy.
[02:16:38.920] And um in that session
[02:16:42.120] I found myself
[02:16:44.160] again with the perfect side integration.
[02:16:47.599] I was standing there
[02:16:49.639] and this
[02:16:51.240] little
[02:16:52.920] Jewish-looking guy
[02:16:54.800] was standing in front of me
[02:16:56.840] in a modern business suit.
[02:16:59.760] And
[02:17:01.080] we didn't talk so much as
[02:17:05.040] just
[02:17:07.000] you know, related to each other and all
[02:17:08.920] that.
[02:17:09.960] And um
[02:17:11.840] I felt just dirty in front of this guy.
[02:17:16.719] >> [gasps]
[02:17:16.960] >> And basically what he let me know was
[02:17:21.599] whatever evil you've done, I've seen a
[02:17:24.679] whole lot worse.
[02:17:26.679] Whatever you good you've done
[02:17:29.320] I've seen a whole lot better.
[02:17:32.040] I don't care, I like you anyway.
[02:17:35.440] And when I came out of the session
[02:17:39.000] that's what I knew, but what I wrote was
[02:17:42.080] whatever evil you think this guy did, he
[02:17:44.000] didn't do it. You know, he's a good guy.
[02:17:46.960] And that's when the monitor opened the
[02:17:50.360] um
[02:17:51.679] envelope and our director had written
[02:17:55.080] the word Jesus on it.
[02:17:57.719] So
[02:17:59.295] >> [sighs]
[02:18:00.120] >> I cannot say I physically met Jesus,
[02:18:03.360] but I have had the experience
[02:18:06.599] of it and it changed my life. It really
[02:18:09.920] did.
[02:18:10.639] >> What did you feel when you were in his
[02:18:12.240] presence?
[02:18:13.000] >> Oh, I felt dirty.
[02:18:15.670] >> [laughter]
[02:18:15.679] >> I felt so dirty. I felt so guilty of
[02:18:18.639] myself and everything else. I felt, you
[02:18:20.920] know.
[02:18:21.679] >> But you felt loved?
[02:18:22.880] >> Huh?
[02:18:23.519] >> Did you also feel love?
[02:18:24.840] >> Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[02:18:26.679] When he said, "I don't care."
[02:18:28.760] He said, "I love you anyway." You know.
[02:18:30.760] >> Mhm.
[02:18:31.400] >> And uh
[02:18:32.480] >> Why was he, you don't think of Jesus in
[02:18:34.840] the, you know, business seat? Why do you
[02:18:36.719] think he was?
[02:18:37.840] >> I think that was a way of saying
[02:18:40.440] he's not
[02:18:43.160] uh
[02:18:44.639] thing out of the past and, you know,
[02:18:47.200] wearing robes and all that. He's here
[02:18:49.040] today.
[02:18:49.639] >> Mhm.
[02:18:50.360] >> I That's the only
[02:18:53.240] interpretation I can get of that.
[02:18:55.080] >> Did he look like Jesus is traditionally
[02:18:57.480] depicted, long hair?
[02:18:58.760] >> near. No, no. Huh.
[02:19:01.320] I mean, this looked like a short little
[02:19:02.760] Jewish guy.
[02:19:03.559] >> Mhm.
[02:19:04.480] Where was he? And what was he just kind
[02:19:06.440] of
[02:19:07.120] >> He was just standing there in front of
[02:19:08.559] me, you know.
[02:19:09.599] >> In in like hyperspace or in a room or
[02:19:12.000] >> In a room, yeah. And it was all dark in
[02:19:13.920] the room, but we were there, you know.
[02:19:15.840] >> Wow.
[02:19:16.440] >> And uh
[02:19:17.840] >> Did you ever remote view any other
[02:19:20.559] religious figures or mystics?
[02:19:22.719] >> One other time. Uh they had done this
[02:19:25.480] with um
[02:19:27.639] uh Bill Ryan.
[02:19:29.639] And uh they did it with me.
[02:19:32.760] Uh they probably did it with all the
[02:19:34.120] others.
[02:19:35.160] Um
[02:19:37.639] uh
[02:19:39.280] I was to do a
[02:19:41.440] you know, just a target. They didn't
[02:19:42.800] even say personality profile or anything
[02:19:44.880] like that.
[02:19:45.960] And uh
[02:19:47.559] I found myself
[02:19:49.280] surrounded by total darkness, but I was
[02:19:51.400] standing in some light. I couldn't
[02:19:53.400] figure out where the light was coming
[02:19:54.680] from.
[02:19:56.080] And uh I heard this voice
[02:19:59.960] that said, you know, um
[02:20:03.120] um
[02:20:05.640] you know, welcome to me and all that.
[02:20:09.200] And,
[02:20:10.760] I said, well,
[02:20:13.080] what am I doing here?
[02:20:15.880] It said, you're here to learn.
[02:20:18.400] And, I said, okay.
[02:20:20.680] What am I supposed to learn?
[02:20:22.742] >> [sighs]
[02:20:23.280] >> And, there was no answer.
[02:20:26.520] And, I said,
[02:20:27.960] well, look,
[02:20:30.000] give me something.
[02:20:33.080] And, the voice said,
[02:20:35.000] I've given you everything you need.
[02:20:38.520] What I give you now, I give through you,
[02:20:41.840] not to you.
[02:20:43.480] >> Mhm.
[02:20:44.600] >> And, when I came out of the session and
[02:20:47.000] they opened the envelope, it said, God.
[02:20:50.760] >> Really?
[02:20:51.520] >> Yeah.
[02:20:52.400] >> Did you see God?
[02:20:54.840] >> I didn't. But, I heard the voice
[02:20:56.800] clearly, from now on,
[02:20:59.440] everything I give you, I give through
[02:21:01.480] you,
[02:21:02.880] not to you.
[02:21:03.720] >> What did you feel in God's presence?
[02:21:06.520] >> Oh,
[02:21:08.200] total confusion.
[02:21:11.040] I was I was thinking, hey, I've got a
[02:21:13.000] target. I've got I've got to write a
[02:21:15.080] report on this, you know.
[02:21:17.880] But, uh
[02:21:18.720] >> Did you feel awestruck?
[02:21:21.160] >> No, I um
[02:21:24.120] I was in an empty room hearing the
[02:21:25.520] voice.
[02:21:26.560] >> Did you feel love?
[02:21:29.600] >> Not really.
[02:21:31.040] Um
[02:21:32.240] the the voice was
[02:21:34.760] I mean, just
[02:21:38.760] more friendly than you'd ever know, you
[02:21:41.160] know.
[02:21:42.320] And, kind and all that.
[02:21:44.320] >> Do you think you actually spoke to God?
[02:21:47.960] >> Um
[02:21:51.120] I think God spoke to me. Yeah.
[02:21:54.800] And I think what I was there to learn
[02:21:56.920] was
[02:21:59.240] from now on I give through you,
[02:22:01.120] >> Mhm.
[02:22:01.560] >> not to you.
[02:22:03.520] >> Do you think
[02:22:05.000] on the remote viewing program anybody
[02:22:08.200] ever engaged in sort of deception or
[02:22:10.720] trickery, or do you think it was always
[02:22:12.360] pretty straightforward? They gave you a
[02:22:14.600] target.
[02:22:15.640] >> Well, we had
[02:22:17.760] constructive trickery.
[02:22:20.080] >> Mhm.
[02:22:20.760] >> Um
[02:22:21.800] I know one time um
[02:22:24.680] we had one of the viewers go over, and
[02:22:27.360] one of the things you have to learn in
[02:22:29.440] remote viewing
[02:22:30.960] is how to overcome pollution.
[02:22:34.600] And so we were never supposed to pollute
[02:22:36.640] each other.
[02:22:39.120] But you don't learn how to overcome
[02:22:40.880] pollution by not facing it.
[02:22:43.920] And so uh one time one of the viewers
[02:22:46.600] was going over,
[02:22:48.040] and he'd been having trouble with
[02:22:50.120] fighting pollution.
[02:22:52.120] And so
[02:22:53.600] we had the coffee pot,
[02:22:55.520] and he always got coffee to take over
[02:22:57.640] with him to the other building when he
[02:22:59.200] did a session.
[02:23:00.920] And it was a practice session.
[02:23:03.680] And so
[02:23:05.440] I went up and got my coffee at the same
[02:23:07.160] time.
[02:23:08.480] And right as he finished fixing his
[02:23:10.880] coffee and turned to go away, I said,
[02:23:13.240] "Oh, by the way,
[02:23:15.280] your target today is probably not the
[02:23:18.000] Eiffel Tower."
[02:23:20.800] And I turned and walked away back to my
[02:23:22.640] desk and left him standing there having
[02:23:26.200] to fight the Eiffel Tower.
[02:23:30.800] And we would do things like that to each
[02:23:32.400] other, you know.
[02:23:33.920] >> Why do you think they asked you to
[02:23:35.440] remote view God and Jesus?
[02:23:37.960] >> Uh it was I think something they did for
[02:23:41.200] all of us.
[02:23:42.520] Uh
[02:23:43.160] >> Why?
[02:23:43.920] >> Uh they uh Bill Ray, I know they had him
[02:23:47.440] uh remote view Buddha and that was a
[02:23:51.320] uh
[02:23:52.360] change life-changing experience for him.
[02:23:55.280] And uh
[02:23:56.680] I think they did that to all of us just
[02:23:59.360] um
[02:24:00.600] just to give us the experience. Um
[02:24:04.040] many of the targets we got
[02:24:07.280] were to gain experience in how to view
[02:24:09.480] things.
[02:24:10.600] >> Did you view anything historical that
[02:24:13.640] they want like did they ever say, "Look
[02:24:15.480] at the French Revolution or look at the
[02:24:18.200] you know um
[02:24:18.960] >> We did those because there was feedback.
[02:24:22.360] They wouldn't give us targets for which
[02:24:24.280] there was no feedback because you can't
[02:24:26.120] judge.
[02:24:26.680] >> What's an example of a famous historical
[02:24:28.520] event that you remote viewed?
[02:24:30.160] >> Oh,
[02:24:31.120] things like um
[02:24:33.160] Joan of Arc. Um
[02:24:35.240] >> What did What did Joan of Arc
[02:24:36.520] >> Napoleon.
[02:24:37.120] >> What What did What did those two look
[02:24:39.080] like?
[02:24:39.760] >> Um
[02:24:41.320] Joan of Arc
[02:24:42.720] uh
[02:24:44.160] different parts of her life. Um
[02:24:46.520] we also um
[02:24:48.720] um
[02:24:50.560] just events in history, uh historical
[02:24:53.360] places.
[02:24:54.600] >> What was Napoleon like?
[02:24:56.520] >> Um Napoleon was um
[02:24:59.800] just
[02:25:01.200] egotistical like you wouldn't believe.
[02:25:04.396] >> [laughter]
[02:25:05.160] >> I mean
[02:25:06.600] he was
[02:25:08.560] God's favorite in all this, you know,
[02:25:10.640] and and
[02:25:12.720] he was
[02:25:15.280] he was his own hero.
[02:25:17.320] >> Is there anything you can say about
[02:25:19.600] Napoleon that isn't conventionally known
[02:25:22.040] but that you learned through your remote
[02:25:24.240] viewing of him?
[02:25:24.840] >> I'm not sure what's conventionally
[02:25:26.240] known. Uh
[02:25:27.560] >> Well, I think people think of him as
[02:25:28.840] like this
[02:25:30.320] yeah, chip on his shoulder cuz his dad
[02:25:32.320] was
[02:25:32.720] >> Oh, did he?
[02:25:33.440] >> Yeah, yeah, cuz his dad was a Corsican
[02:25:35.520] governor. So that was off the coast of
[02:25:37.960] France and you know, he didn't
[02:25:40.520] >> Well, the one thing that I really know
[02:25:42.160] about him is the time that uh he had the
[02:25:45.120] war of the rabbits. Have you heard of
[02:25:47.280] that one?
[02:25:47.680] >> No.
[02:25:48.640] >> Um
[02:25:50.200] it was a celebration of some big event
[02:25:53.160] that he did.
[02:25:54.480] And um
[02:25:56.000] so he was going to have all of his
[02:25:58.960] generals come out to do a rabbit hunt, a
[02:26:02.000] wild rabbit hunt.
[02:26:03.960] And they couldn't find enough rabbits,
[02:26:06.520] so they got all these tame rabbits
[02:26:09.240] from rabbit raisers and all that. And
[02:26:12.920] right before the thing event, they let
[02:26:15.640] them loose in the woods.
[02:26:17.920] Well,
[02:26:19.520] the rabbits saw the humans and thought,
[02:26:22.200] "Oh, feeding time."
[02:26:24.440] And so all the rabbits ran toward the
[02:26:27.600] generals
[02:26:28.960] and just swarmed the generals, and the
[02:26:31.200] generals started running, and Napoleon
[02:26:34.520] himself had to jump into his car There
[02:26:36.880] were hundreds of them. Had to jump into
[02:26:39.160] his cart uh you know, into his carriage.
[02:26:42.720] And as the carriage went away, he was
[02:26:44.440] throwing rabbits out the window. He lost
[02:26:47.080] the war to the rabbits.
[02:26:48.640] >> Wow. Is [laughter] this documented?
[02:26:51.040] >> Yeah, it's documented.
[02:26:52.080] >> And you saw it.
[02:26:53.320] >> Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. And uh I give it now
[02:26:56.600] as a um as a target to my students here.
[02:26:59.640] >> What's the most disturbing thing you've
[02:27:01.560] ever seen historically?
[02:27:04.480] >> Ooh.
[02:27:05.880] Historically?
[02:27:06.720] >> Or not historically. Could have been
[02:27:08.360] contemporary or historical.
[02:27:10.240] >> Um
[02:27:12.680] there are a lot of uh
[02:27:16.960] inhumanities that humans do.
[02:27:19.720] And um
[02:27:21.200] I know
[02:27:22.480] a lot of police work.
[02:27:25.240] Um
[02:27:29.320] finding missing children.
[02:27:31.320] I have a lot of students who come and
[02:27:33.320] they say, "Well, I want to help find
[02:27:34.840] missing children."
[02:27:36.356] >> [gasps]
[02:27:36.520] >> And I warn them ahead of time,
[02:27:38.977] >> [sighs]
[02:27:39.280] >> "In order to do that, you're going to
[02:27:41.040] have to experience where the children
[02:27:43.480] are,
[02:27:45.160] what they're going through, and all
[02:27:46.520] that.
[02:27:48.280] And you're going to actually experience
[02:27:52.080] children being molested,
[02:27:55.120] killed,
[02:27:56.640] chopped into pieces, and buried across
[02:27:59.480] acres of land. Do you really want to do
[02:28:02.720] that, you know?"
[02:28:04.560] And I always tell beginning students,
[02:28:07.920] "Do not get involved in this until
[02:28:10.160] you're highly, highly trained, cuz it
[02:28:13.080] can mess you up emotionally like you
[02:28:15.920] wouldn't believe."
[02:28:16.640] >> I mean, highly trained and highly,
[02:28:18.800] highly desensitized. I don't know how
[02:28:21.480] anybody wouldn't be, you know, broken
[02:28:23.880] into many pieces emotionally.
[02:28:26.400] >> Oh, yeah. Oh, it can it can be
[02:28:29.600] >> Jesus.
[02:28:30.240] >> Really bad, yeah.
[02:28:31.760] >> Um
[02:28:33.280] All right. Well,
[02:28:34.720] we got to take it to a more positive
[02:28:36.160] place after that. What about all these
[02:28:37.880] missing scientists? Have you looked into
[02:28:40.280] any of them? So, I mentioned you
[02:28:42.480] >> tasked with it, so I haven't done it,
[02:28:44.400] yeah.
[02:28:45.120] >> Could I task you with it?
[02:28:47.560] >> Oh, you can. You won't have any feedback
[02:28:50.280] for who knows how long.
[02:28:52.360] >> Okay. All right. Well, let's talk after
[02:28:54.480] this.
[02:28:54.800] >> All right.
[02:28:55.612] >> [laughter]
[02:28:56.680] >> Um
[02:28:57.920] do you have any Did has anybody tasked
[02:29:00.120] you with anything on this hantavirus?
[02:29:01.840] This like people are worried about this
[02:29:03.240] COVID 2.0 virus that's
[02:29:06.480] um seems like it's caused some issues on
[02:29:08.960] this cruise ship, and you know, people
[02:29:11.360] think it might cause another pandemic.
[02:29:13.080] >> Not directly on that. Uh back in 1998, I
[02:29:16.720] was tasked with um
[02:29:19.240] viewing the future of the US.
[02:29:22.360] It wound up I viewed the future of the
[02:29:24.200] world.
[02:29:25.440] Uh up through the year 2050.
[02:29:28.480] And um
[02:29:30.080] I
[02:29:31.520] turned in this whole long list of
[02:29:33.880] changes that were going to happen
[02:29:36.320] and I have watched them come true one
[02:29:40.120] after another after another.
[02:29:42.400] And um
[02:29:44.320] um
[02:29:46.600] would it
[02:29:48.720] just a glossing over everything
[02:29:51.943] >> [sighs]
[02:29:53.600] >> we're going down.
[02:29:55.219] >> [laughter]
[02:29:55.920] >> I mean it's going to be some hard hard
[02:29:58.640] hard times. That's going to result in um
[02:30:03.360] um
[02:30:05.280] quite a bit of
[02:30:06.840] warfare, quite a bit of um
[02:30:10.520] uh
[02:30:12.080] one of the things it pointed out
[02:30:14.840] was um killing off of 75% of the world
[02:30:18.920] population.
[02:30:19.680] >> What?
[02:30:20.280] >> 75%
[02:30:22.560] >> with what?
[02:30:24.000] >> um man-made disasters like earthquakes
[02:30:27.560] and so on. Also
[02:30:29.960] um
[02:30:30.880] you know
[02:30:32.720] it gave a list of other things, but uh
[02:30:35.360] what I found was that by the year about
[02:30:37.360] 2040
[02:30:39.920] there will be almost no centralized
[02:30:42.360] government. Uh we will
[02:30:46.120] um
[02:30:46.960] be an agrarian society.
[02:30:50.520] Uh any goods that we can't make for
[02:30:53.080] ourselves or grow for ourselves will be
[02:30:56.960] delivered and there will be almost no
[02:30:59.280] social interaction
[02:31:01.320] with the few people that are left except
[02:31:04.160] through technology.
[02:31:06.040] And
[02:31:07.200] uh
[02:31:08.040] um one of the things was you can make
[02:31:11.160] your own tools.
[02:31:13.000] And I thought, how in the world can you
[02:31:14.720] make your own tools? In 1998 they didn't
[02:31:17.560] have 3D printers.
[02:31:20.880] And yet I saw people just
[02:31:23.160] go into this machine and making their
[02:31:25.360] own tools.
[02:31:26.920] >> Well,
[02:31:27.960] >> This sounds terrible.
[02:31:30.194] >> [laughter]
[02:31:30.440] >> Okay. Uh but earlier you mentioned that
[02:31:33.320] we are bound to be a spacefaring species
[02:31:36.240] and the only way to do that is to have
[02:31:37.720] one world government.
[02:31:39.040] >> Mhm.
[02:31:39.480] >> But in this sort of prophecy it feels
[02:31:41.760] like there's no central government. So,
[02:31:44.120] >> Yeah.
[02:31:44.640] >> how do you those two
[02:31:46.320] >> I think it's going to wind up after
[02:31:47.880] that. So, I don't think we're going to
[02:31:49.480] get into space until around 2080 or even
[02:31:52.840] afterwards.
[02:31:53.680] >> Okay.
[02:31:55.320] And when you say into space cuz we're
[02:31:57.080] technically in space now, you mean
[02:31:58.800] >> Well, we're technically in space, but
[02:32:00.280] what I mean into space as a community
[02:32:03.600] >> Uh-huh.
[02:32:04.000] >> of the space, you know, of space.
[02:32:06.160] >> Yeah.
[02:32:07.080] >> I mean right now we can go to the moon.
[02:32:09.640] Maybe we can go to Mars. So, that's it.
[02:32:11.680] >> If humans can bilocate with their
[02:32:13.560] consciousness, do you think there's a
[02:32:15.280] secret space program which has a
[02:32:17.640] ridiculous connotation, but do you think
[02:32:20.000] there is a secret space program
[02:32:21.680] involving human consciousness where
[02:32:23.480] humans bilocate systematically to other
[02:32:25.680] planets?
[02:32:27.180] >> [sighs]
[02:32:28.280] >> Yes.
[02:32:29.920] >> You're smiling.
[02:32:31.320] >> I think so. Yes.
[02:32:33.280] >> Do you think so or do you know so?
[02:32:35.760] >> I'm not involved.
[02:32:37.660] >> [laughter]
[02:32:38.880] >> Sounds like you might know so, but
[02:32:40.800] >> But but have we done that?
[02:32:43.480] Yeah, I've done that. Yeah.
[02:32:45.160] >> You've done that.
[02:32:46.120] >> But
[02:32:46.520] >> Outside of just
[02:32:47.320] >> If there is an effort, I'm not involved.
[02:32:50.120] >> Okay.
[02:32:51.400] Mhm. Fascinating.
[02:32:53.280] >> But is it possible?
[02:32:54.720] >> Yeah. Been there, done that. But uh
[02:32:57.280] >> Well, I was just thinking you said, you
[02:32:59.200] know,
[02:32:59.400] >> Didn't get Didn't get the t-shirt.
[02:33:01.896] >> [laughter]
[02:33:02.280] >> Fair enough. Well, you had no gift shop.
[02:33:04.560] Well, you you you mentioned your Mars
[02:33:06.360] story and then I you know, I'm thinking
[02:33:08.640] in my head if you can systematically do
[02:33:10.400] that. And there are stories that go back
[02:33:12.480] to
[02:33:13.440] 17th century Swedish mystic Emanuel
[02:33:15.640] Swedenborg, you know, saying he went to
[02:33:17.680] other planets and coming back. If there
[02:33:20.000] There a science behind that.
[02:33:21.880] >> There is and um
[02:33:24.240] uh
[02:33:26.520] I didn't mention that uh
[02:33:28.760] there's also
[02:33:30.716] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:33:31.120] >> what they're calling remote influencing,
[02:33:34.000] which is actually a form of remote
[02:33:36.480] persuasion, but um you can mentally
[02:33:41.196] >> [sighs]
[02:33:41.680] >> interact telepathically with others,
[02:33:44.280] pass messages back and forth and all
[02:33:46.160] that. We've learned how to do that.
[02:33:47.960] >> Wow.
[02:33:48.480] >> hard. Whether that's people on Earth or
[02:33:50.920] beings on another planet, it's
[02:33:53.760] actually very easy to do. At the extreme
[02:33:57.480] highest levels of CRV, yeah.
[02:34:00.440] >> Have you ever worked with a guy who
[02:34:02.600] supposedly ran the CIA weird desk, Kit
[02:34:05.240] Green?
[02:34:07.160] >> Uh I know of Kit Green.
[02:34:08.880] >> Okay.
[02:34:09.560] >> Um
[02:34:10.760] >> Have you ever been experimented
[02:34:14.400] with vis-a-vis radiation to see if that
[02:34:18.000] would affect your psychic abilities?
[02:34:20.160] >> Oh, for that.
[02:34:21.480] >> Yeah.
[02:34:21.920] >> No, for that, but we can detect it uh
[02:34:25.200] radiation quite easily.
[02:34:27.680] >> Hm.
[02:34:28.400] >> Uh not only
[02:34:30.200] you know, like particle beam particle
[02:34:32.600] weapons and all that. Uh
[02:34:35.720] or radiation like you know, uranium and
[02:34:41.240] radiant
[02:34:42.840] uh
[02:34:44.040] radium and all that, but also um
[02:34:47.760] just um
[02:34:50.520] uh transmitters,
[02:34:52.480] you know, radio transmitters. Uh it's
[02:34:54.520] very possible.
[02:34:56.280] Like um if the
[02:34:58.880] enemy [clears throat]
[02:35:01.080] in the field is transmitting,
[02:35:04.840] we know generally
[02:35:06.560] what their frequency band is because we
[02:35:09.160] know what frequency bands the other
[02:35:11.360] countries uses.
[02:35:13.160] Okay?
[02:35:14.862] >> [sighs]
[02:35:15.040] >> But
[02:35:16.240] you can say to remote viewer,
[02:35:18.560] um
[02:35:20.200] uh remote view this thing, and you'll
[02:35:24.280] come up and see something sticking up a
[02:35:27.080] pole or something like that,
[02:35:29.160] and it's glowing, let's say um
[02:35:32.440] you take the visible spectrum and spread
[02:35:35.320] it out over their radio frequency
[02:35:38.120] spectrum they have, and you look for the
[02:35:40.520] blue-green, now you know what
[02:35:44.320] what frequency they're transmitting on,
[02:35:47.200] you turn your radio to that frequency,
[02:35:49.320] and you intercept their
[02:35:51.040] traffic.
[02:35:51.720] >> Mhm.
[02:35:53.080] It's interesting
[02:35:54.720] that areas of high entropy and nuclear
[02:35:57.920] are easier to remote view uh because I I
[02:36:01.120] think of the UFO nuclear connection, and
[02:36:04.600] it seems like UFOs show up around nukes
[02:36:07.360] and areas of high entropy, and it almost
[02:36:09.200] feels like they do cleanup jobs around
[02:36:11.240] Chernobyl
[02:36:12.480] >> I've written a
[02:36:14.040] I've written a paper about that that
[02:36:19.000] if it's true,
[02:36:22.360] shows that it has nothing to do with
[02:36:24.920] that at all as to why they show up.
[02:36:27.880] >> So, why do you they show up?
[02:36:29.680] >> Um
[02:36:32.880] I don't even know if there's a
[02:36:35.400] short method elevator method of saying
[02:36:37.880] this.
[02:36:39.480] The space-time continuum, okay?
[02:36:44.240] Time is a part of space-time continuum.
[02:36:47.400] Space is three-dimensional.
[02:36:49.760] Time has got to be three-dimensional,
[02:36:52.240] too.
[02:36:53.600] >> People think of it as the fourth
[02:36:54.960] dimension.
[02:36:55.680] >> It's not.
[02:36:57.320] It is a part of three-dimensional space,
[02:37:00.120] time,
[02:37:01.200] okay?
[02:37:02.960] Therefore,
[02:37:04.680] let's say that um
[02:37:07.120] um
[02:37:08.560] you know how in ancient times
[02:37:12.600] the sun went around the earth and the
[02:37:14.760] heavens went around the earth and we
[02:37:16.480] were the center of everything, right?
[02:37:18.080] >> Yes.
[02:37:19.440] >> We look at time the same way.
[02:37:21.760] We're here and time comes toward us and
[02:37:24.640] it goes past us and all that.
[02:37:27.174] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:37:28.360] >> Bullcrap.
[02:37:30.880] Time is a part of the space-time
[02:37:33.760] continuum.
[02:37:35.520] It's linear because we're going through
[02:37:38.200] it.
[02:37:39.840] Okay?
[02:37:41.720] So, if there's a disturbance in space
[02:37:43.880] space-time continuum out here,
[02:37:47.600] as we go toward it,
[02:37:50.099] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:37:51.240] >> we can get,
[02:37:53.920] you know, some of the waves of what it's
[02:37:57.520] of it coming.
[02:37:59.720] Therefore, we can see what we call our
[02:38:02.320] future.
[02:38:03.640] We're just picking up on where we are in
[02:38:05.800] the space-time continuum as we go
[02:38:07.600] through it.
[02:38:08.800] Uh we can look into the past
[02:38:11.320] and see what was there.
[02:38:14.480] But space-time time itself
[02:38:17.360] stands still.
[02:38:21.000] And we're passing through it.
[02:38:24.240] Therefore,
[02:38:25.440] if there's some big disturbance in the
[02:38:28.720] space-time continuum,
[02:38:30.800] we will be attracted to it.
[02:38:33.960] Some other people going through the
[02:38:36.600] space-time continuum in another way will
[02:38:38.960] also be attracted to it and it's like
[02:38:41.200] two trains coming into train station at
[02:38:43.560] the same time
[02:38:45.040] and there Bigfoot pops in
[02:38:48.800] and then Bigfoot disappears because
[02:38:51.640] we go on.
[02:38:52.640] >> So, the disturbance creates some sort of
[02:38:54.800] inward pull between,
[02:38:56.480] >> Yeah.
[02:38:57.200] >> timelines.
[02:38:58.320] >> Yeah.
[02:38:58.880] >> And you get a collision of worlds.
[02:39:01.160] >> at the same time,
[02:39:03.160] we see a portal open. We see a
[02:39:06.960] UFO suddenly pop into existence and
[02:39:10.040] suddenly pop out and things like that.
[02:39:12.760] >> You remote viewed Chernobyl.
[02:39:14.960] >> Oh yeah, ahead of time. Yeah. Three day
[02:39:17.120] three days before it happened.
[02:39:18.480] >> You predicted it.
[02:39:19.440] >> Yeah.
[02:39:19.920] >> Whoa.
[02:39:20.760] >> Yeah.
[02:39:21.880] >> And what did people say?
[02:39:23.680] >> Oh, um the task on that was um describe
[02:39:28.600] what's going to be on the headlines in
[02:39:31.040] the Sunday paper. And that was on
[02:39:32.760] Friday.
[02:39:35.240] Uh what I got was the Chernobyl
[02:39:38.400] meltdown.
[02:39:40.440] Well,
[02:39:43.800] Iceland detected
[02:39:46.520] the radiation
[02:39:48.400] cloud coming over
[02:39:50.640] on Tuesday. And Tuesday was when the
[02:39:53.920] news came out about Chernobyl.
[02:39:57.000] And therefore, the Sunday paper did not
[02:40:00.040] have the Chernobyl event in it even
[02:40:03.000] though it had already happened.
[02:40:05.480] And so, I got a zero cuz it was wrong.
[02:40:09.615] >> [sighs]
[02:40:10.240] >> Wow.
[02:40:11.580] >> [laughter]
[02:40:12.080] >> Well, I think you got it you got it
[02:40:13.560] right, but
[02:40:14.400] >> I got it right. Described everything
[02:40:16.120] even the purpose, how it happened, and
[02:40:17.880] everything else, but uh
[02:40:19.680] >> When you say the purpose or like what
[02:40:22.040] what caused it?
[02:40:23.240] >> What caused it?
[02:40:24.040] >> Yeah.
[02:40:24.480] >> And also the purpose. There was a
[02:40:26.800] purpose.
[02:40:27.320] >> What was the purpose?
[02:40:31.640] >> Six tons of fissionable material
[02:40:36.120] that was at the plant
[02:40:38.600] not in the reactors, but it was at the
[02:40:40.640] plant
[02:40:43.800] was missing. Has been missing and is
[02:40:46.920] unaccounted for.
[02:40:48.320] >> Whoa.
[02:40:50.160] Where do you think it's at?
[02:40:52.080] >> I know where it's at.
[02:40:53.501] >> [laughter]
[02:40:53.800] >> You can't say.
[02:40:55.040] >> Um I won't say, but uh yeah, I know
[02:40:57.240] where it's at. Uh but it was um
[02:41:00.680] it was
[02:41:02.016] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:41:02.680] >> So, you think that was a little you
[02:41:04.760] know, uh intentional job being done?
[02:41:07.840] >> I think so.
[02:41:08.520] >> Not just a little meltdown.
[02:41:09.880] >> No, uh no.
[02:41:10.880] >> Well.
[02:41:11.640] >> Yeah.
[02:41:12.960] Uh but you know, it's
[02:41:15.200] >> And your your conviction level on that
[02:41:16.840] is
[02:41:18.000] >> pretty really high.
[02:41:19.200] >> Over 90?
[02:41:20.240] >> Yeah, yeah.
[02:41:21.360] >> Close to 100?
[02:41:22.240] >> Yeah. Yeah, close to 100, yeah.
[02:41:25.240] >> Does anybody else in open-source world
[02:41:28.600] believe this?
[02:41:29.560] >> I think so.
[02:41:30.240] >> Okay. So other people talk about it.
[02:41:32.280] >> Nobody can account for the missing
[02:41:34.400] stockpile that was there and isn't now.
[02:41:37.920] And it's no longer there.
[02:41:39.760] >> Wow.
[02:41:40.600] >> Yeah.
[02:41:41.520] >> I got to look into that. Um you also
[02:41:44.560] were tasked with looking into a Russian
[02:41:47.120] death ray?
[02:41:49.200] >> Yeah.
[02:41:51.320] Um
[02:41:52.440] they um
[02:41:53.920] the Russians were developing a
[02:41:57.720] um
[02:41:58.920] particle beam weapon at Semipalatinsk.
[02:42:02.240] And um
[02:42:04.480] so
[02:42:06.240] somebody in one of our science groups or
[02:42:09.640] something wanted to know what happens
[02:42:11.440] inside the beam.
[02:42:13.960] Well, on a particle beam weapon, you
[02:42:16.160] can't stick an instrument inside to find
[02:42:18.280] out what's happening because
[02:42:20.440] it vaporizes it immediately.
[02:42:23.200] So somebody had the genius idea of
[02:42:25.520] sticking a remote viewer into the beam.
[02:42:29.120] And so they came out and they told us
[02:42:31.800] ahead of time, you know.
[02:42:33.600] And uh
[02:42:35.760] I thought
[02:42:37.440] that'd be neat.
[02:42:38.957] >> [laughter]
[02:42:40.080] >> So I volunteered for it. And um
[02:42:43.720] the
[02:42:45.400] um we worked it to the point where I had
[02:42:48.480] the perfect side integration. I was
[02:42:51.240] standing there in front of this beam
[02:42:53.367] >> [gasps]
[02:42:53.840] >> and I stepped into it.
[02:42:56.240] And when I did,
[02:42:58.080] um
[02:43:01.440] even time itself is messed up inside
[02:43:04.120] that beam.
[02:43:05.480] And uh the uh
[02:43:09.520] the whole list of experiences just
[02:43:12.840] were phenomenal. One of the things was
[02:43:16.600] it was the most beautiful thing I've
[02:43:19.280] ever seen in my life. Just uh
[02:43:22.240] the colors and everything else.
[02:43:24.880] But uh
[02:43:26.120] what I got was
[02:43:28.040] that the uh
[02:43:30.000] the particles in the beam are not
[02:43:32.320] shooting straight
[02:43:34.080] like light does.
[02:43:36.320] They swirl as they go.
[02:43:39.000] And that was what the scientist wanted
[02:43:41.200] to know, and so that was the part that
[02:43:44.458] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:43:44.920] >> that they accepted back. All the other
[02:43:47.600] experiences were just mine that I had,
[02:43:50.800] and I don't think anybody cared.
[02:43:52.400] >> So some of your remote viewing
[02:43:55.080] was in the service of fundamental
[02:43:56.760] science espionage.
[02:43:58.760] >> Well, you do what you're tasked to do.
[02:44:00.320] >> Mhm.
[02:44:00.880] >> Yeah. Uh
[02:44:03.400] >> So interesting.
[02:44:04.840] >> Yeah.
[02:44:05.160] >> Um
[02:44:06.280] your fellow remote viewer who was highly
[02:44:08.720] skilled, who we mentioned earlier in
[02:44:10.040] this interview, Pat Price, died in a
[02:44:12.400] very mysterious way.
[02:44:13.800] >> met him. Yeah.
[02:44:14.480] >> You never met him. Do you have any
[02:44:15.760] theories as to
[02:44:17.440] why he died? Or some people think that
[02:44:19.280] maybe he was killed. I think Hal Puthoff
[02:44:20.920] has publicly speculated about that.
[02:44:25.000] >> Um
[02:44:26.720] yeah.
[02:44:28.120] Uh I've heard
[02:44:30.440] other stories
[02:44:32.360] from people who were there
[02:44:34.640] who uh tell a different story from the
[02:44:37.600] story that's published. And uh also
[02:44:41.240] uh I've heard that
[02:44:43.840] a couple of years later
[02:44:46.160] he was seen in a department store in
[02:44:48.120] downtown Washington, D.C.
[02:44:50.280] >> Mhm.
[02:44:51.200] >> And uh
[02:44:52.640] the
[02:44:53.920] um
[02:44:54.720] head of the department of security
[02:44:57.680] years later said
[02:44:59.800] Pat Price died and we haven't heard from
[02:45:02.440] him since.
[02:45:04.240] >> Whoa.
[02:45:05.560] Yeah, that's a little coded message
[02:45:07.600] there.
[02:45:08.080] >> Oh yeah, uh-huh.
[02:45:09.240] >> Interesting.
[02:45:09.760] >> So I don't think he might
[02:45:12.240] still be alive or lived for a while
[02:45:14.360] after that. He was cremated and all that
[02:45:16.200] but uh
[02:45:17.720] I've heard that the ambulance that
[02:45:20.240] picked him up
[02:45:21.720] was an unmarked ambulance drove away and
[02:45:25.400] uh
[02:45:26.240] his body was never seen since.
[02:45:29.160] >> Why do you think
[02:45:29.920] >> his family or anybody.
[02:45:31.680] >> That's it's crazy. Why do you think that
[02:45:34.960] the US hasn't gone back to the moon? We
[02:45:37.880] we just had the Artemis mission where we
[02:45:39.520] sort of flew around the moon.
[02:45:41.400] But since 1972
[02:45:43.400] since Apollo 17 I believe we have not
[02:45:45.400] gone back to the moon.
[02:45:46.360] >> And I have no idea. Um
[02:45:50.120] I think we should go back.
[02:45:53.320] >> What do you think happens with the
[02:45:54.920] future of UFO disclosure? Do you think
[02:45:57.280] in
[02:45:58.240] you know, 20 30 years it sounds like you
[02:46:01.320] are predicting some
[02:46:02.920] calamities and some catastrophe
[02:46:05.560] some population reduction.
[02:46:07.520] >> not dealing with UFO not dealing with
[02:46:09.880] UFOs and the ETs.
[02:46:11.440] >> No no I know.
[02:46:12.200] >> We're going to do that to ourselves you
[02:46:13.680] know.
[02:46:13.920] >> Yeah, which that sucks.
[02:46:16.840] But but alongside that it does feel like
[02:46:19.480] right now there's a lot of momentum
[02:46:20.960] behind UFO disclosure.
[02:46:22.720] >> I think the disclosure is going to come
[02:46:25.160] out you know.
[02:46:25.600] >> You do?
[02:46:26.120] >> Yeah.
[02:46:26.640] >> And so and what do you think the world
[02:46:28.840] looks like on that dimension in 20
[02:46:31.200] years? Do you think it's like academia
[02:46:33.680] is teaching UFO classes and you know,
[02:46:36.560] these are the alien races that are
[02:46:38.520] visiting us that sort of thing?
[02:46:39.960] >> Yeah, I think the
[02:46:42.600] we will get exposure to the ETs you
[02:46:46.680] know, physical exposure to the ETs
[02:46:49.760] uh
[02:46:50.440] within several years.
[02:46:52.760] But, um you did for us to be in space
[02:46:56.160] and join the
[02:46:57.920] community out there,
[02:46:59.800] uh that's going to take a long time.
[02:47:01.560] >> Do you think they're going to reveal
[02:47:02.800] their presence in a more kind of
[02:47:05.240] widespread obvious way?
[02:47:07.360] >> I think so.
[02:47:08.120] >> Near term?
[02:47:08.840] >> Yeah.
[02:47:09.440] >> Next few years?
[02:47:11.400] >> I think they're already doing that,
[02:47:12.600] yeah.
[02:47:13.360] >> Okay.
[02:47:13.840] >> And um
[02:47:15.360] um you know,
[02:47:18.200] if you were out there,
[02:47:19.520] >> Mhm.
[02:47:21.240] >> would you want the Earth people coming
[02:47:22.840] out and dealing with them?
[02:47:25.200] I wouldn't.
[02:47:27.160] >> [laughter]
[02:47:27.400] >> I don't know. It sort of depends on a
[02:47:28.920] million different factors, but yeah, if
[02:47:30.480] you were some super, you know, pure
[02:47:32.960] >> Yeah.
[02:47:33.640] >> ancient and advanced race of beings,
[02:47:37.240] yeah, maybe maybe you wouldn't want to
[02:47:38.480] deal with the little chimps or
[02:47:39.680] >> they've advanced in a different
[02:47:40.960] direction. I wouldn't I wouldn't say
[02:47:43.360] they're more advanced.
[02:47:44.760] >> Sure.
[02:47:45.240] >> Not all of them, yeah.
[02:47:46.440] >> Yeah.
[02:47:48.160] How do you reconcile your
[02:47:51.000] uh kind of religious uh inclinations
[02:47:54.040] with all of this UFO and alien
[02:47:56.040] knowledge?
[02:47:56.760] >> I see no problem with it.
[02:47:58.440] >> Mhm.
[02:47:58.880] >> Um
[02:48:00.360] um
[02:48:01.840] I think you would be an absolute
[02:48:04.320] idiot
[02:48:06.160] to believe that on
[02:48:09.760] 400
[02:48:11.200] quintillion planets that exist, this is
[02:48:14.920] the only one that has life.
[02:48:17.680] Come on.
[02:48:19.562] >> [laughter]
[02:48:20.240] >> And you would limit God to that? Come
[02:48:22.960] on.
[02:48:24.200] >> Yeah, fair enough.
[02:48:26.200] Yeah, no, I I agree. All of God's
[02:48:28.400] creations, you know.
[02:48:29.720] >> Yeah.
[02:48:30.160] >> Yeah. I don't think it's so disruptive,
[02:48:32.080] you know. People are talking about
[02:48:33.600] >> I don't either. [clears throat]
[02:48:34.520] >> pastors getting sort of, you know,
[02:48:36.480] spoken to by these intel people who are
[02:48:39.040] worried that it's going to cause a lot
[02:48:40.320] of disruption. It's like, who cares?
[02:48:42.000] Just be a normal rational person about
[02:48:44.520] it and you know, if you're religious,
[02:48:46.040] great. If you're not, that's fine, you
[02:48:47.920] know.
[02:48:49.240] >> Well,
[02:48:50.560] being spoken to about it, I think is an
[02:48:53.880] interpretation.
[02:48:55.360] >> Mhm.
[02:48:55.920] >> Like people say the men in black, they
[02:48:57.920] threaten you at the end.
[02:49:00.240] Uh, they don't.
[02:49:01.480] >> Mhm.
[02:49:02.320] >> Uh, they tell you, you know,
[02:49:04.720] you shouldn't talk about this to
[02:49:05.920] anybody.
[02:49:07.280] And after you've sat there,
[02:49:10.160] uh, one of the things when you're being
[02:49:13.000] interviewed by the men in black,
[02:49:15.240] is you're going to start trying to make
[02:49:17.320] jokes.
[02:49:18.040] >> Mhm.
[02:49:18.720] >> They're not going to respond.
[02:49:21.200] No humor, period.
[02:49:23.400] And so all of a sudden you're getting
[02:49:25.120] defensive. You're getting all,
[02:49:28.200] you know, and and all that. And so when
[02:49:30.960] they say you shouldn't talk this,
[02:49:33.560] you take it as a threat.
[02:49:36.720] They're just telling you you shouldn't
[02:49:38.000] talk about this to anybody.
[02:49:40.080] That's all they're saying. You know.
[02:49:41.960] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[02:49:43.440] Would you say you're generally
[02:49:45.120] clairvoyant and and sort of you have
[02:49:47.120] like a psychic uh, propensity uh, beyond
[02:49:50.320] just the remote viewing training? I
[02:49:51.680] mean, it sounds like it given your
[02:49:53.120] childhood, yeah.
[02:49:54.120] >> I always have had, yeah.
[02:49:55.320] >> Do you pick up anything about me?
[02:49:57.840] >> Not really. I, uh,
[02:50:00.680] one of the things that you learn to do
[02:50:02.800] in
[02:50:03.920] in the controlled remote viewing is turn
[02:50:06.640] it off.
[02:50:07.240] >> Mhm.
[02:50:07.840] >> We have a thing called the ambience
[02:50:09.480] exercise.
[02:50:11.567] >> [sighs and gasps]
[02:50:12.000] >> The ambience exercise makes you
[02:50:13.880] sensitive to the world around you.
[02:50:16.520] Um,
[02:50:17.680] the
[02:50:18.880] um,
[02:50:20.680] ninjas have a thing called Sak No Jitsu
[02:50:24.000] where you're aware of everything in 360°
[02:50:27.520] around you.
[02:50:28.640] We developed that with the ambience
[02:50:30.520] exercise.
[02:50:32.000] And it gets to where you can't go to a
[02:50:33.600] restaurant, you can't go to a church,
[02:50:35.440] you can't be around people.
[02:50:37.360] You just I mean it's it's just bombard
[02:50:40.480] you.
[02:50:41.080] >> Hyper sensitive.
[02:50:42.040] >> Yeah, and so you learn
[02:50:44.280] with step 16, you learn to turn it off.
[02:50:47.760] >> Mhm.
[02:50:48.480] >> And there are 20 steps in all
[02:50:50.600] in the in the training of it.
[02:50:53.000] And um
[02:50:54.440] you learn to turn it off.
[02:50:56.240] And somebody will
[02:50:59.160] um
[02:51:00.560] will be in conversation with somebody
[02:51:02.200] and they'll forget a word or something
[02:51:03.880] like that, you know, and
[02:51:06.960] I
[02:51:08.120] could dip and supply the word to them or
[02:51:10.000] something like that.
[02:51:11.480] And uh or they'll forget a fact and I
[02:51:13.800] can
[02:51:15.160] dip in real quick and get and remind
[02:51:17.960] them of
[02:51:19.200] and they said, "Oh, yeah, I remember
[02:51:20.760] that." Yeah.
[02:51:21.800] But uh you can help people that way and
[02:51:24.928] >> [sighs]
[02:51:25.040] >> uh
[02:51:26.680] somebody
[02:51:28.800] needs cheering up, you can get to their
[02:51:32.040] subconscious and cheer them up.
[02:51:34.200] But other than that, uh
[02:51:38.200] I
[02:51:40.120] I find it very distasteful to get into
[02:51:42.720] other people's mind.
[02:51:43.880] >> Yeah.
[02:51:44.600] >> I just
[02:51:45.320] >> Uh.
[02:51:45.960] >> I don't do it.
[02:51:46.760] >> Do you have any advice for me or for
[02:51:48.920] audience members who want to get deeper
[02:51:50.640] on the UFO stuff? They want to
[02:51:53.360] understand
[02:51:54.160] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[02:51:54.760] >> more kind of discrete truths. What's
[02:51:57.320] actually going on? Cuz you hear
[02:52:00.120] all these differing things that are
[02:52:01.760] often mutually exclusive
[02:52:03.240] >> Oh, yeah.
[02:52:03.640] >> from all the whole cast of, you know,
[02:52:05.560] Motley crew of characters. Is there a
[02:52:08.760] source that you really trust when it
[02:52:10.520] comes to UFO stuff?
[02:52:13.640] >> Oh, a few.
[02:52:16.019] >> [sighs]
[02:52:16.560] >> Um
[02:52:18.800] but they're individuals.
[02:52:20.400] >> Who are they?
[02:52:23.080] >> I'm not going to say that.
[02:52:24.560] >> Oh, they're they're not public.
[02:52:25.880] >> Mhm.
[02:52:26.280] >> They're not public. They're private.
[02:52:27.400] >> Oh, absolutely not. Like uh
[02:52:29.800] my friend uh that was in charge of the
[02:52:32.560] technology transfer. Uh
[02:52:34.560] >> Mhm. you know, I'll never give his name.
[02:52:38.760] >> That's amazing.
[02:52:39.720] >> Yeah.
[02:52:40.040] >> Who's in charge of technology transfer
[02:52:41.600] from the ETs?
[02:52:42.880] >> From one of the ETs.
[02:52:45.440] >> Wow.
[02:52:45.880] >> From one of the groups of ETs.
[02:52:47.400] >> Would you ever know it with him? Was he
[02:52:48.640] just like kind of a humble like under
[02:52:50.840] the radar?
[02:52:51.240] >> I'd go visit him and he'd say, "Len, you
[02:52:53.360] got to come see my new toys." Yeah.
[02:52:55.440] >> Why do you think he was so open with you
[02:52:58.640] about all this stuff? Presumably he kept
[02:53:00.960] it secret.
[02:53:01.880] >> Oh, he basically knew who I was and my
[02:53:04.680] background and all that. So.
[02:53:06.600] >> He knew your high-level clearances and
[02:53:08.480] your history.
[02:53:09.400] >> Yeah. Mhm.
[02:53:11.440] >> Fascinating. Well,
[02:53:13.880] I want to know more.
[02:53:15.624] >> [laughter]
[02:53:16.280] >> I really
[02:53:16.720] >> Ev- Everybody does.
[02:53:17.960] >> Yeah.
[02:53:18.360] >> Uh
[02:53:18.840] >> Do you think that the public has a right
[02:53:20.680] to know more? Do you think it's it's at
[02:53:22.160] all destabilizing or there's like a
[02:53:24.280] reason to slow it down? Like
[02:53:26.080] >> They say they say when in doubt classify
[02:53:28.720] and so uh
[02:53:30.000] too much gets classified.
[02:53:32.000] >> I agree.
[02:53:32.960] >> And uh
[02:53:33.920] >> Like why can't we know about the ET tech
[02:53:35.680] transfer program? That sounds awesome.
[02:53:37.600] >> Yeah. And um you know, all you hear is
[02:53:41.280] wild rumors about it. Like who invented
[02:53:44.320] Velcro, you know? And uh
[02:53:47.640] uh the thing is
[02:53:50.760] that um
[02:53:54.120] for a lot of things you don't want the
[02:53:55.560] public involved.
[02:53:57.800] They just mess everything up.
[02:53:59.760] Uh other things is
[02:54:01.800] uh
[02:54:03.160] you don't want
[02:54:05.440] sometimes religion involved
[02:54:08.200] or politics involved or whatever.
[02:54:11.840] And for another thing, many times
[02:54:16.840] it wouldn't do any good for
[02:54:18.680] whether people know it or not.
[02:54:20.640] Um
[02:54:22.080] and you know, some of the secret stuff
[02:54:24.520] that's kept secret
[02:54:26.960] is wonderful. Everybody should know
[02:54:29.520] about it.
[02:54:31.080] There are other stuffs that I hope that
[02:54:33.280] I hope nobody ever finds out about.
[02:54:35.400] >> Absolutely.
[02:54:36.240] >> Yeah.
[02:54:36.560] >> Yeah, that anybody who thinks that
[02:54:38.240] nothing should be classified, I mean,
[02:54:39.960] that's that's ridiculous. Like atomic
[02:54:42.080] trade secrets should obviously be
[02:54:43.760] classified. I mean, you know, honestly,
[02:54:45.800] if you know, to the extent that
[02:54:48.880] like at the higher levels of remote
[02:54:51.000] viewing ability, you can do damage to
[02:54:53.440] other people, I would hope that never
[02:54:54.800] comes out. I mean, that's a really scary
[02:54:56.640] prospect.
[02:54:57.720] >> And, you know, like they said in World
[02:54:59.520] War II,
[02:55:00.720] loose lips sink ships.
[02:55:03.760] >> There you go.
[02:55:04.600] >> Yeah.
[02:55:05.000] >> Yeah.
[02:55:06.200] Well, Lynn, I really appreciate this,
[02:55:08.680] man. This was a lot of fun. It was very
[02:55:11.200] kind of comprehensive.
[02:55:13.200] >> we kind of went all over the place here,
[02:55:15.000] but
[02:55:15.480] >> We did.
[02:55:16.280] >> I enjoyed talking to you.
[02:55:17.520] >> Yeah, and I have ADD, so
[02:55:19.760] and I love talking to you, too. So, no,
[02:55:22.360] this was an absolute blast. You're full
[02:55:24.040] of knowledge.
[02:55:24.920] >> I enjoyed this. Well, I'd like to plug
[02:55:27.400] my book, which is
[02:55:29.400] the seventh sense,
[02:55:31.480] uh
[02:55:32.760] by me.
[02:55:33.480] >> Get it on the Amazon.
[02:55:35.120] >> Uh on Amazon, and um
[02:55:38.120] the um sixth sense
[02:55:41.160] is your ambiance.
[02:55:42.720] >> Mhm.
[02:55:43.400] >> What you feel in the room around you.
[02:55:45.720] That's a real sense.
[02:55:46.840] >> How you feeling sixth sense versus
[02:55:48.240] seventh sense?
[02:55:49.280] >> is when I can feel what's going on in
[02:55:52.160] the Kremlin.
[02:55:53.720] >> Wow.
[02:55:54.480] >> And that's your seventh sense.
[02:55:57.080] Um
[02:55:58.080] but also
[02:55:59.640] um
[02:56:00.280] on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram,
[02:56:05.080] uh I have a growing series of short
[02:56:08.840] little three-minute things that explain
[02:56:12.360] all the all the aspects of controlled
[02:56:16.280] remote viewing remote viewing, and all
[02:56:18.120] that.
[02:56:18.560] >> That's awesome. Is it Is it just
[02:56:20.120] @LynnBuchanan, or what do you know what
[02:56:22.000] the handle is?
[02:56:22.600] >> It's um
[02:56:24.160] inside remote viewing, all one word.
[02:56:27.640] >> Check out
[02:56:28.280] >> inside remote viewing.
[02:56:29.480] >> Check out inside remote viewing.
[02:56:31.520] >> Yeah.
[02:56:31.960] >> TikTok, Instagram
[02:56:33.880] >> Right.
[02:56:34.360] >> X, maybe Twitter.
[02:56:36.440] >> Oh, no, just those three.
[02:56:37.720] >> Okay, check out TikTok, Instagram,
[02:56:39.840] YouTube at inside
[02:56:42.480] >> inside remote viewing.
[02:56:43.960] >> Inside remote viewing, check it out.
[02:56:45.680] >> Also, I have a course that I teach
[02:56:47.440] online.
[02:56:48.800] Uh
[02:56:49.880] and it's the full course of the remote
[02:56:51.800] viewing, controlled remote viewing
[02:56:55.680] created by Ingo Swann and used by the
[02:56:58.320] military for all these years for
[02:57:00.920] intelligence collection, now being used
[02:57:03.640] for businesses
[02:57:05.480] um for police work
[02:57:08.000] for institutions, for research and
[02:57:10.280] development.
[02:57:11.080] >> What's that website?
[02:57:12.440] >> Uh it's
[02:57:13.880] um c r v
[02:57:16.440] i e w e r c r viewer .com.
[02:57:21.240] >> crviewer.com,
[02:57:23.640] check it out. And you told me off air
[02:57:25.280] that some of your students are getting
[02:57:27.560] amazing results akin to or better than
[02:57:29.880] some of your past
[02:57:31.120] >> Some of them are going better than we
[02:57:32.600] ever did in the military.
[02:57:33.800] >> That's amazing.
[02:57:35.360] >> And um
[02:57:36.800] the um
[02:57:38.720] uh course is on a
[02:57:41.520] uh course platform, educational platform
[02:57:44.000] called Kajabi.
[02:57:45.320] >> Mhm.
[02:57:45.880] >> Uh you get permanent access to it when
[02:57:49.640] you sign up.
[02:57:51.160] I don't believe in any of this stuff of,
[02:57:53.640] you know, every 6 months you pay for a
[02:57:55.640] re- I don't believe in that.
[02:57:57.680] Um you get permanent access and we have
[02:58:01.120] webinars where we go over
[02:58:03.600] people's work.
[02:58:05.240] We talk about things that aren't in the
[02:58:07.680] course and things like that.
[02:58:09.680] >> If levels six through, I forgot what it
[02:58:12.680] was, 11 are, you know, kind of
[02:58:15.240] classified, but you were given access to
[02:58:17.240] that. How are people in the civilian
[02:58:19.520] world able to
[02:58:21.040] >> No, I give um I give access to stages 1
[02:58:25.080] through 7.
[02:58:26.120] >> Mhm.
[02:58:27.040] So, how do they get better results with
[02:58:28.360] that than the higher
[02:58:30.400] >> Uh they're they're getting more accurate
[02:58:32.680] than we were.
[02:58:33.640] >> Mhm.
[02:58:34.280] >> It's amazing. Uh
[02:58:36.320] >> But, you were saying that, you know,
[02:58:37.960] some of the more
[02:58:39.520] you know, kind of uh
[02:58:41.360] spooky stuff goes on at level 7 through
[02:58:44.520] >> Uh higher level 8 through 18.
[02:58:47.600] >> Yeah.
[02:58:48.760] >> Uh
[02:58:49.400] and that's not taught to the public.
[02:58:51.320] >> Okay.
[02:58:52.400] But, pure on pure accuracy, all you need
[02:58:55.200] is 1 through
[02:58:56.880] 7, and you can get more accurate than
[02:58:58.720] people who know 1 through 18.
[02:59:02.800] >> But, not the same kind of information.
[02:59:04.640] >> Got it. Interesting.
[02:59:05.800] >> Okay.
[02:59:06.600] >> Cool.
[02:59:07.080] >> Yeah.
[02:59:07.480] >> Just wanted to clarify there.
[02:59:08.960] >> Yeah.
[02:59:09.320] >> Leave no stone unturned.
[02:59:10.840] >> Yeah.
[02:59:11.160] >> Okay. [laughter]
[02:59:12.000] Thanks, Lynn. Well, I appreciate this.
[02:59:14.520] Um this was awesome. I really appreciate
[02:59:16.320] all you may have an amazing history, and
[02:59:18.560] >> honor being invited. Thank you very
[02:59:20.720] much.
[02:59:21.240] >> Well, it's an honor to have you. I'm
[02:59:23.000] just uh you know, a measly interviewer.
[02:59:26.040] >> I'm [laughter]
[02:59:26.880] glad to finally meet you, too.
[02:59:28.240] >> Well, likewise, man. No, this is a full
[02:59:30.000] circle moment. I You were really
[02:59:32.600] going to be, and I'm glad because I I
[02:59:34.760] didn't know much at the time, but you
[02:59:36.680] were going to be the first American
[02:59:38.360] Alchemist. And now you're I know so much
[02:59:41.160] more, and so we can have a better
[02:59:43.200] conversation. But, this is a full circle
[02:59:44.960] moment. It's very cool.
[02:59:46.200] >> Thank you very much.
[02:59:47.120] >> Thank you.
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