debriefed ep88 corbell 20260516

[00:00] the skiff. Look at this place, man.
[00:05] So, there we go. I get a package. Now,
[00:07] this is from the person who is head of
[00:10] cyber security at Los Alamos National
[00:12] Laboratory.
[00:14] >> Local residents should be checked for
[00:17] evidence that they are being
[00:19] symbiotically manipulated by surviving
[00:23] aliens.
[00:25] I trust that that is
[00:29] a memo
[00:31] that was never supposed to be in public
[00:33] domain.
[00:34] >> So, this is not the only piece of paper
[00:36] that was
[00:37] >> No.
[00:38] >> Okay. There's a whole other set of files
[00:41] attached to that.
[00:41] >> Allegedly.
[00:42] >> Is it stressful?
[00:44] >> Uh, what? My life.
[00:47] There's a pattern of people
[00:49] disappearing.
[00:51] >> Something bad happened to him. Oh yeah.
[00:55] If you mean by being murdered bad. Yes.
[01:00] I would love that smoking gun evidence
[01:02] which does exist. I have seen it. So
[01:06] have other people that you know.
[01:09] And I'm not talking about one piece of
[01:10] footage. Talking about a lot of footage.
[01:14] But it is not mine to share.
[01:16] >> What does it feature? Does it feature a
[01:18] disc, a tic tac, a tube?
[01:19] >> I'm talking about a lot of different
[01:20] footage. Tell me.
[01:22] >> Well, yeah, sure. There are there's
[01:24] triangles, there's tic tacs, there's
[01:26] ovals, there's spheres
[01:27] >> and that you've seen.
[01:28] >> Yes. So, I think I have a little fear in
[01:30] me right now. So, I'm like trying to
[01:32] speak thoughtfully and that's hard for
[01:34] me sometimes.
[01:36] But there are consequences. And
[01:37] sometimes the consequence is just the
[01:40] pain you feel that the crushing weight
[01:44] of what you know to be true and can't
[01:47] say is going to destroy and snap your
[01:51] legs and destroy your humanity. And I've
[01:54] seen that pain in people's eyes. And
[01:57] it's not a way to live, man.
[02:00] >> All right. So in 2008 on the 4th of July
[02:04] I was on a boat with my father who's in
[02:07] the Federal Aviation Administration,
[02:10] two retired commercial pilots and a
[02:14] current commercial pilot and off to our
[02:18] right is a baseball field and the field
[02:22] lights are on. From these three lights,
[02:28] we saw three cubes appear and they were
[02:34] rotating and then they just vanished
[02:40] after about 20 seconds. I would say it
[02:44] was almost like they came out of the
[02:46] lights and everybody in the boats that
[02:50] we were both tied to and the boats all
[02:53] around us, we all freaked out. Everybody
[02:57] saw this. It was incredible.
[03:01] And ever since then, I have been
[03:04] obsessed with the phenomena.
[03:08] Ramsay
[03:09] >> Corbell
[03:11] >> magician
[03:12] >> investigator
[03:13] >> artist
[03:14] >> artist
[03:16] >> smart guy
[03:17] >> same
[03:18] >> intuitive
[03:19] >> yeah I mean I could say a lot of the
[03:21] same things about you sir
[03:22] >> strong
[03:23] >> yeah good at jiu-jitsu
[03:25] >> I was really bad but I mean I I you you
[03:28] do something 10,000 times more than
[03:31] someone else
[03:32] >> and you got a shot
[03:33] >> it's the definition of a magician
[03:35] >> is what
[03:36] >> uh doing something
[03:39] an unreasonable
[03:41] putting an unreasonable amount of time
[03:43] into something.
[03:44] >> Unreasonable to who?
[03:45] >> To the common person.
[03:47] >> Who's that?
[03:48] >> Uh, whoever you're trying to fool
[03:49] >> or just the people not doing it.
[03:51] >> Yeah, exactly. Same. One and the same.
[03:53] >> Do you try to fool people?
[03:55] >> Yeah, of course. With magic. Yeah,
[03:57] absolutely. I mean, no, I think I think
[03:58] fooling them is a part of the is one of
[04:03] the ingredients in creating wonder. Um,
[04:06] but you don't always necessarily have to
[04:08] fool people. In fact, the best magic
[04:11] tricks is when people fool themselves.
[04:15] And the same could be said for a scop,
[04:18] you know.
[04:18] >> Is your aim to create wonder
[04:22] >> um with magic
[04:23] >> cuz you said that m Okay. Yeah.
[04:25] >> Right. Magic ma magic with a with a G
[04:28] >> with with a C. With a G and a C.
[04:30] >> With a G and a C. Yeah.
[04:31] >> How do you turn this down? You're so
[04:32] loud in my head, Ramsey. For a long
[04:34] time, you've been loud in my head. And I
[04:35] don't. But I can turn you down.
[04:36] >> You're too Let me know if this is Hold
[04:38] on. I'm going to do this. Yeah.
[04:40] >> Control. I want to have control of
[04:41] turning you up or down.
[04:43] >> So this is me.
[04:44] >> And this is me.
[04:45] >> Yeah.
[04:45] >> Go again. Talk.
[04:46] >> One, two, one, two, one, two. One, two,
[04:48] one, two.
[04:49] >> Yeah.
[04:50] >> Yeah.
[04:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. You're loud, [ __ ]
[04:51] Right here.
[04:52] >> Right there's good.
[04:53] >> Ooh, that's like saucy.
[04:56] I mean, it's all good.
[04:57] >> Yeah. I like I like the headphones cuz
[04:59] they they tend to lock you in. Um,
[05:02] there's an immersion and I didn't really
[05:05] get it before and I was like, it's more
[05:06] freeing without headphones. But then the
[05:08] headphones makes it so that you're kind
[05:09] It's like kind of like blinders for your
[05:11] ears where you're like, "This is where
[05:14] I'm at. I'm not out there."
[05:15] >> Blinders for your ears. This is where
[05:17] I'm at. Yeah. Yeah. I I now am
[05:19] experiencing that.
[05:21] >> Yeah. Now you're aware of it.
[05:22] >> Well, now I'm here.
[05:24] >> Yeah.
[05:24] >> Yeah.
[05:25] >> Thanks for coming to the quote unquote
[05:28] skiff. I know you've I know you've been
[05:30] in a real skiff
[05:33] and uh tell me the difference between a
[05:35] skiff. I never as someone who's never
[05:38] set foot in a skiff. What What is it? Is
[05:41] it empty?
[05:42] >> Let's first be honest with everybody.
[05:44] >> Okay.
[05:45] >> You took me into a snow globe.
[05:48] >> Yeah.
[05:49] >> Okay. Just want to make sure we're
[05:50] honest with everybody.
[05:52] >> Yes.
[05:52] >> And then you did bring me into this
[05:54] skiff fact.
[05:55] >> Yeah.
[05:56] >> Okay, cool.
[05:56] >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
[05:57] >> So, your question was, "What's the
[05:58] difference of a real skiff?" Right. Cuz
[06:00] usually people don't have to be in
[06:01] skiff.
[06:01] >> And Yeah. And they don't bring their
[06:02] phones in.
[06:04] >> Yeah.
[06:05] >> It's a big one, I think.
[06:06] >> Oh, yeah. I wish I did.
[06:10] >> Yeah. They probably check your pockets
[06:11] though before coming in, huh?
[06:13] >> Um, no. I mean, you go through in some
[06:14] of them there's an honor system. In some
[06:17] of them there are metal detectors and in
[06:20] some of them there's more procedures
[06:22] done. But typically, if you're being
[06:24] brought into a skiff, they already know
[06:27] that you're not going to be breaking the
[06:29] rules.
[06:30] >> They assume.
[06:32] >> No, they make sure to know. I mean, I I
[06:35] can only speak from my own experience.
[06:37] My own experience is
[06:39] >> I would I was never in a skiff
[06:42] where all variables that were
[06:44] controllable were not controlled, right,
[06:46] >> on both ends, right? And there's a lot
[06:48] of skiffs that I never went into. Was it
[06:52] stressful?
[06:53] >> Uh, what? My life?
[06:54] >> No,
[06:56] >> I think you answered I think you just
[06:57] answered that question. But no, get
[06:59] getting into a skiff like like that
[07:01] moment where you're like crossing the
[07:03] threshold. You know, you're in this
[07:06] sensitive compartmentalized information
[07:08] facility. It's, you know, you hear about
[07:11] the things that go on in a skiff and the
[07:13] things that are talked about are
[07:14] obviously of the most sensitive nature.
[07:17] Do you feel that sort of reverence as
[07:19] you cross a threshold into one of these
[07:21] places? Do you feel anxiety or or is
[07:23] there like a sense of relief or release
[07:25] that there's no nothing recording
[07:27] anything you're saying? Is there
[07:29] >> Well, that's not always true that
[07:30] there's nothing recording what you're
[07:32] saying inside of a skiff. That's not
[07:33] always true, first of all. Um, now
[07:36] you're asking me a personal question.
[07:38] And my personal feelings, if I can be
[07:42] completely honest now, which I can be,
[07:45] is that my my personal feeling is I've
[07:48] never walked into a skiff once invited
[07:52] that I didn't feel 100%
[07:56] comfortable. I wouldn't. In fact, I
[07:58] didn't.
[07:59] >> You've refused to enter a skiff?
[08:01] >> Yes, sir. George Knap and I refused to
[08:05] go into a skiff. This was mentioned in
[08:07] Sleeping Dog.
[08:08] >> Foxy, I don't have a memory for it
[08:10] because I just quickly you're this way
[08:12] before everybody processed anything.
[08:14] >> Well, I'll refresh your memory. Um, you
[08:17] you were invited into a skiff and then
[08:19] you were advised by your lawyer not to
[08:22] go because your lawyer's like, "If you
[08:24] go in there and you say this stuff, they
[08:28] might have a right to classify it."
[08:29] >> I just made an assumption.
[08:32] >> I did. Yeah.
[08:32] >> What was my assumption? Nothing I could
[08:34] have said could have been classified.
[08:37] >> Okay,
[08:38] >> I'll explain it to you.
[08:39] >> But but the lawyer in the movie you said
[08:41] that the lawyer that was one of the
[08:43] things he warned you about was that they
[08:45] can just basically uh classify whatever
[08:48] is said in there and that
[08:50] >> that way you're never allowed to report
[08:52] on it.
[08:52] >> Okay. I'm not trying to be micious. I
[08:54] just, you know, have to be very specific
[08:56] cuz now you're asking my brain to
[08:57] unravel something which I haven't really
[08:59] seen
[09:00] >> in a way in a big way. So let's go
[09:03] there. Let's go into this one little
[09:04] tiny hair and let's split it. Okay. Um,
[09:13] I was supposed to testify in front of
[09:16] the American public.
[09:19] My caveat to that or condition was that
[09:24] the American public gets to see
[09:27] some of what I've seen and some of what
[09:30] George has seen. a tiny fraction
[09:36] footage
[09:38] >> footage that is absolutely nonharming to
[09:43] American national security and five eyes
[09:46] national security. The difference would
[09:48] be
[09:49] no satellite footage
[09:52] because satellite capability is a like a
[09:55] submarine is is is really classified its
[09:58] whereabouts and and the capability of
[10:00] satellite if you look at what's out
[10:02] there in the natural world is is very
[10:03] limited like extremely limited. So no
[10:08] satellite footage if it had ever passed
[10:10] in front of my eyes that's not something
[10:13] that is safe. Additionally, let's say
[10:15] there's two UFOs
[10:18] >> that swarm from the left of camera
[10:21] towards the right kind of make a half
[10:23] loop around a Russian asset. But that
[10:26] Russian asset not just being satellite
[10:28] or whatever actually it was low visual.
[10:31] So not not satellite but that asset they
[10:34] didn't know that we were and could see
[10:36] them. So that's a no-go because
[10:39] >> I see. Yeah. Cuz now they're aware of
[10:41] you know whatever drone or whatever
[10:42] satellites looking at them. So it so
[10:45] strategic surprise is one of the
[10:46] greatest um threats that we participate
[10:49] with dealing with on a daily basis as as
[10:52] a nation and as five eyes. So when you
[10:55] have the ability to see and people don't
[10:57] think you can that would be considered
[11:00] national security. Okay.
[11:01] >> Yeah.
[11:02] >> What I was intending to do and I guess
[11:05] now I've said it a little bit in the
[11:06] movie because a movie remember is a
[11:07] compressed amount of time. So you get
[11:10] like the sentence that means the
[11:12] paragraph. So what I was talking about
[11:14] is I was to and I went through a lengthy
[11:18] month many months process of this game
[11:21] of cat and mouse of like okay if I had
[11:24] seen anything that the American public
[11:26] should seem specifically 12 assets I
[11:28] figure were you know
[11:30] >> okay for people to see you know no one
[11:32] piece of footage is going to prove
[11:33] everything to everybody um or even
[11:35] anything to anybody but you got to take
[11:36] your shot right
[11:38] >> so and there's no reason why UFOs should
[11:41] be the existence of UFOs should not be
[11:43] classified. It nothing about that should
[11:45] be classified.
[11:46] >> None that I can think of.
[11:47] >> Now when you get into the implications
[11:49] and the technology 100% like you know
[11:51] nuclear science exists but can't
[11:53] >> give you the codes on how to right.
[11:56] >> So George Knap and I were doing this
[11:58] dance of like well so I personally will
[12:02] testify but what I have to say is not
[12:05] important. So saying is not important
[12:06] for me. It is giving and showing 12
[12:10] assets. Now, the thing is, and here's
[12:12] the the dance. How do you get into a
[12:16] locked room? And you're a puzzle man, so
[12:19] maybe you figure this out. I couldn't.
[12:21] How do you get into a locked room with
[12:25] no electronics
[12:28] and show what you think as a journalist?
[12:32] Because you don't got to ask permission
[12:33] as a journalist.
[12:35] You don't. But you can do a lot of harm,
[12:38] not just to yourself, to other people,
[12:39] to our nation, that kind of thing. So,
[12:40] let's just pretend. How do you get into
[12:42] that locked room? And how do you show in
[12:46] front of other people's eyes if you if
[12:48] it passes in front of your eyes, but you
[12:50] don't have anything?
[12:52] >> Oh, that's an interesting conundrum
[12:53] >> because it because you can't have
[12:55] something.
[12:56] >> Yeah. I guess I never thought about
[12:57] that. That's a really interesting thing.
[13:00] So,
[13:00] >> but they got to know that something is
[13:02] there. Wait, so anybody who's been
[13:03] briefed on the UFO stuff has never been
[13:05] shown a video in a skiff?
[13:07] >> No, I didn't say that.
[13:09] >> When I'm working on UFO cases or alien
[13:12] encounters, the issue isn't just missing
[13:14] or blurry footage. It's that anything I
[13:17] try to recreate ends up being
[13:18] inconsistent
[13:20] with different looks, different
[13:21] lighting, nothing nothing matches. And
[13:24] most AI tools actually end up making it
[13:27] worse. Like every generation feels like
[13:29] a reset. you're just prompting random
[13:31] things over and over. And that's what I
[13:33] like about Higsfield Cinema Studio is
[13:35] that it doesn't work like that at all.
[13:37] You start with one intentional frame and
[13:39] that's where you sort of define the shot
[13:41] almost like a director would. And then
[13:43] you take that frame and you extend it
[13:45] into motion by choosing the camera
[13:47] movements, the lenses, and even the
[13:49] actual camera type. And so instead of
[13:52] generating clips over and over, you're
[13:54] working from a fixed starting point. And
[13:57] that's what keeps everything consistent.
[14:00] same scene, the same lighting, same
[14:02] characters, same locations, same
[14:04] perspective, just different takes of the
[14:07] same shot. And for what I'm doing, it's
[14:09] actually super important to try and
[14:11] remain as accurate to the story as I
[14:13] possibly can. And if you guys want to
[14:16] try it out, I highly encourage you to
[14:18] check it out right now. I left the link
[14:20] in the description and let me know what
[14:22] you think about Higsfield. And thank you
[14:24] to Higsfield for sponsoring this video.
[14:28] What I said is how I'm asking a
[14:30] question. If you're me,
[14:32] >> Yeah.
[14:33] >> and you're George.
[14:34] >> Uhhuh.
[14:34] >> And you've said publicly to the world
[14:37] that that footage has passed in front of
[14:39] your eyes.
[14:40] >> Uhhuh.
[14:40] >> But you don't have it like it's not at
[14:42] your home. So if your home gets raided,
[14:44] it's not on your phone. So if your phone
[14:46] gets taken,
[14:47] >> so you have you have access, right?
[14:50] >> Because it's been in front of your eyes
[14:51] and you predicted have access. So, how
[14:54] do you then
[14:56] because, you know, in order for me to
[14:57] testify, my condition is that the
[15:00] American public has to see what I want
[15:02] to show them because my words don't mean
[15:04] [ __ ]
[15:05] I mean, they do, but like that's not the
[15:07] point of why I got nothing really to
[15:09] say.
[15:09] >> Yeah, of course.
[15:10] >> So, how do you get in there and bring
[15:13] something? Because by the time you're
[15:14] bringing something, you've got
[15:15] something. So, you have something,
[15:17] >> right?
[15:17] >> Okay. Then, let's say you're there.
[15:19] First of all, you're a journalist. The
[15:21] obtaining is fine. obtain and release.
[15:23] I've never leaked anything in my life.
[15:25] Now, sure, people have leaked stuff to
[15:27] me and George, and that's a crime.
[15:29] That's a federal crime. It's got major
[15:32] punishment, and that's on whoever leaks
[15:34] stuff. No, it's not. My wife's kind of
[15:37] reinforced that to me, you know, that
[15:39] you can't People make choices for better
[15:42] or worse, hopefully for better because
[15:43] they trust you. And the one thing I am
[15:45] worthy of is people's trust. So, here we
[15:47] go. How do we get into that room? And
[15:50] then how do you show it if you don't if
[15:53] if you don't have it? If you don't want
[15:55] to have it in there because then you
[15:56] have it. All of that all of that all of
[16:00] that all of that
[16:03] can instantaneously be reverse
[16:04] classified even though it's once it's in
[16:06] the hands of journalists.
[16:07] >> Yeah.
[16:08] >> It's already in the hands of journalists
[16:10] and they have a duty to to the public.
[16:11] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a tricky line. But me
[16:14] and George doing no harm to national
[16:18] security is important to us.
[16:21] >> Now, one more layer just to you tell me
[16:24] how you get out of this escape room.
[16:26] Okay, so now I've got a conundrum.
[16:30] I don't want I don't need to testify the
[16:32] American public, but if I did, they
[16:33] would see 12 things minimum. Okay. So,
[16:37] I'm told by national security people
[16:39] after months and months and months of
[16:41] doing this dance, but also filling up
[16:43] the [ __ ] people. They're going to
[16:44] testify going through this massive
[16:46] vetting process with each one. I brought
[16:48] almost every single person you've seen
[16:51] in the UAP hearing up there. Almost have
[16:54] I directly facilitated their sitting
[16:57] there almost.
[17:00] So, with that said, I've got this
[17:02] responsibility and I'm like, cool. Let's
[17:06] let's see this through. Let's set this
[17:08] up. So, we get notified that there is a
[17:11] skiff and it's under my terms and
[17:13] conditions, which is that these are the
[17:16] people allowed and must be in the room
[17:19] and you tell me who you want and I need
[17:22] to know their names. Now, I need to know
[17:23] who they work for. And and the the thing
[17:25] about them is they they know that if
[17:27] they tell me a lie,
[17:30] >> I will find out. And that that's been
[17:32] the bane of the existence of the DOJ and
[17:35] everybody,
[17:36] >> every agency, is that somehow through
[17:39] magic with like a [ __ ] normal
[17:42] spelling, okay, this spelling, okay,
[17:46] that George and I can do that. So then
[17:49] imagine this all set up. And by the way,
[17:52] this is the one where they had another
[17:54] journalist that wasn't George Knap at it
[17:56] before. Right.
[17:57] >> Right.
[17:58] >> So it was for that. And then what
[18:00] happens is I get a call. I'm in the
[18:02] showers from a congressional person and
[18:05] they say we have a leak straight out. We
[18:08] have a leak. And I go, I know.
[18:12] And then I'm going to say this person
[18:15] said, do you know who it is? And I said,
[18:18] I do. I believe I do.
[18:21] And then this person said to me, "I'm
[18:25] not even going to be in DC. They're
[18:28] lying to you." And I said, "Didn't
[18:31] know."
[18:34] So I called my lawyer, my federal
[18:37] lawyer, who is Chuck McCulla III. And in
[18:40] that conversation,
[18:43] I don't think this is a good idea for
[18:45] you and George, Jeremy.
[18:47] >> Yeah.
[18:47] >> And and he explained why. Seems like a
[18:49] almost like a trap.
[18:51] >> Almost exactly
[18:53] like a trap.
[18:54] >> Mhm.
[18:56] >> That sounds like standard operating
[18:57] procedure as well. Like I mean for this
[19:00] type of thing where it's like, "Hey,
[19:02] yeah, come on in."
[19:03] >> No,
[19:03] >> you know.
[19:04] >> No, it's not.
[19:04] >> You don't think so?
[19:05] >> No, I know. So, there there's supposed
[19:07] to be mutual trust. For example, I'll
[19:10] give you another example.
[19:11] >> When I say I'm going to give you 10
[19:14] witnesses to choose from to testify.
[19:17] Now, this is highly sensitive because
[19:19] you're not going to choose 10. So, I'm
[19:22] revealing to you out of 52 cards, you
[19:24] know, 10 cards, but you can only play
[19:27] with six. So, I'm like,
[19:30] there are four people that will be
[19:32] exposed that don't need to be. So, I've
[19:34] got one rule, and if you ever break it,
[19:36] I'm never doing this again. The rule is
[19:38] nobody, cuz they got a lot of staffers.
[19:40] Nobody
[19:41] >> tells Arrow and nobody gets to know but
[19:45] the people in the room. And that's a
[19:46] trust thing. And that's the way it
[19:47] should and usually goes except
[19:51] every single one of them got exposed to
[19:54] Arrow and Arrow went after them in
[19:56] different unique ways that I have
[19:58] documented
[19:59] >> and can prove in the court of law.
[20:00] >> In in what in like what way have they
[20:04] gone after them in in sort of like
[20:06] >> public um mocking? Is it like stalking
[20:10] or is it threatening?
[20:11] >> Talking about the unknown people that
[20:13] didn't testify.
[20:13] >> Yeah, these are the unknown people. like
[20:15] how did they how did they suffer
[20:17] repercussions or reprisals from you know
[20:22] >> they suffered repercussions or
[20:23] reprisals? They said they went after
[20:24] them. So that means a few different
[20:26] things. Play the tape backwards cuz
[20:27] sometimes I misspe. No, no. That's my
[20:29] bad for assuming cuz I you know, you
[20:31] hear it a lot with with these uh with
[20:33] witnesses especially uh as of late uh
[20:37] you know Matt Brown and I I assume Dylan
[20:41] Borland as well um because of the you
[20:44] know the movie as well. You know you
[20:46] hear him saying
[20:48] >> oh but nobody's seen it yet.
[20:50] >> Yeah. After this got this will go up
[20:52] people people will have seen
[20:53] >> temporal dial. So, I'm going to skip and
[20:55] and and Chris Ramsay has a clock right
[20:56] there, but it's it's there's a dilation.
[20:58] This is two months early.
[20:59] >> I am positive there's a dilation attire.
[21:02] >> Yeah. Well, there there temporarily is
[21:04] we're sitting in a bubble that won't be
[21:05] popped until May after May 18th.
[21:07] >> I mean, it's like a month. No. So, two
[21:09] months away.
[21:10] >> No, May 12th.
[21:11] >> Oh, May 12th is
[21:12] >> May 12th the bubble bursts.
[21:13] >> Okay. Well, that's we're sitting in that
[21:15] current bubble. Um, but safe to say
[21:18] Dylan Borland in in that documentary
[21:22] >> Oh, [ __ ] is clearly shaken up um by
[21:27] what seems to be people coming after
[21:29] him. He has a fear of people coming
[21:31] after his wife. He even asks you, you
[21:33] know, on on one of your calls, no matter
[21:36] what happens to me, take care of my
[21:37] wife. He seems really really concerned.
[21:40] >> He was
[21:40] >> um
[21:42] >> for good reason. And and so what I'm
[21:44] asking is like these four people and
[21:46] maybe Dylan included, what sort of
[21:50] because we hear it a lot, you know, that
[21:53] that they're being going at they're
[21:55] being gone after by some, you know,
[21:57] organization, some agency, but what
[21:59] exactly does that mean? Is it
[22:02] >> straight up like brass knuckles and
[22:05] like, "Hey, we're going to beat you out
[22:06] in the parking lot if you don't shut
[22:07] up." Or is it more subtle?
[22:11] Is it like a little wink here and there
[22:13] or is it very overt like hey if you
[22:15] don't stop this we'll bury you in the
[22:16] desert like what's what does that look
[22:19] like? Help me understand.
[22:20] >> Right. So it's insidious and that's the
[22:24] best word that I can use for it and it
[22:25] comes in a variety of ways and some are
[22:27] overt and some are covert and then some
[22:30] are just almost seemingly inert. And and
[22:35] it it it's really so I would like to
[22:36] break that down for you, but I want to
[22:39] back you up one second, church, is that
[22:44] Dylan raised his hand and got all the
[22:47] way there and he testified. So clearly
[22:51] I'm not talking about him.
[22:52] >> Yeah. Although he did, you know, get
[22:55] messed with. And to be factual actually,
[22:57] Arrow was part of a significant
[22:59] operation to um entrap him with a false
[23:06] fictitious
[23:08] I don't know the right words just
[23:09] completely fabricated
[23:11] crime.
[23:13] Yeah. Yeah. And I I don't know
[23:14] >> that's pretty serious.
[23:15] >> That's real.
[23:17] >> And um we're So now talking to you
[23:19] though d time dilation we're not
[23:22] completely through that yet.
[23:23] >> Mhm. So that just started being opened.
[23:27] >> By the time this airs, it might have
[23:29] been
[23:29] >> I hope I hope I hope well I don't know,
[23:33] man. This is going to take a little
[23:34] while. I apologize for this. So
[23:37] I don't know. And and the reason I don't
[23:39] know is because my personal duty is to
[23:44] not harm where I live. And by telling
[23:48] the world what people in our country did
[23:53] to whistleblowers and who's involved
[23:56] from the king all the way down to the
[23:57] soldiers that could harm our nation's in
[24:01] my opinion
[24:03] uh security you know because it becomes
[24:07] a vulnerability
[24:09] for any adversarial nation to exploit if
[24:13] they know that we have dirty laundry
[24:15] >> right
[24:15] >> so I I I don't No,
[24:17] >> that's interesting.
[24:18] >> And so this section of the podcast might
[24:20] be sped up to nonsense cuz I don't know.
[24:22] Let's find out. So now let me answer
[24:24] your question.
[24:25] >> What? Let's just get real terrestrial
[24:27] here. Okay. What does it mean when
[24:31] whistleblowers or people are threatened
[24:32] by a multitude of private contractors as
[24:36] well as intelligence agency individuals?
[24:39] I'm going to say because there are bad
[24:40] apples in a barrel
[24:42] >> and and the barrel is good.
[24:43] >> Yeah. Not to blame the whole agency.
[24:45] >> Right. Sure. Right. So, so what does
[24:47] that look like? Well, I think the way
[24:48] you define for me in the world of magic,
[24:51] there are certain key elements of like a
[24:53] show. You broke some [ __ ] down for me
[24:55] this morning, right? Um, like what your
[24:58] language is. Do people spell the word
[25:00] magic the same way? Kind of like that.
[25:04] Depending on the agency, each agency has
[25:08] a persona. So you can you can say a a
[25:10] CIA
[25:12] persona feels like an orange mug that
[25:16] says the flying saucer. Okay. ODNI is
[25:21] like a glass of water. That's their
[25:22] personality.
[25:24] DOJ FBI. ODNI which oversees all
[25:29] intelligence agencies out of like let's
[25:31] pretend the 16 in the United States,
[25:33] right? ODNI would be the top of that
[25:35] pyramid. Allegedly. Allegedly, OD and II
[25:39] would have oversight in a pyramid all
[25:41] the way down to every intelligence
[25:43] agency within the United States. Okay.
[25:46] Even ones that can only operate outside
[25:49] >> Sure.
[25:49] >> of the United States.
[25:52] So, what does it look like? Well, it
[25:54] depends on who you're asking about. So,
[25:59] Arrow
[26:02] is beholden or sorry, beholden. Yeah,
[26:05] I'd say beholden to the Pentagon, but I
[26:07] would I would typically say Arrow is
[26:08] beholden to ODNI. And I could be wrong,
[26:12] by the way. So, I'm just a bearded guy
[26:13] with tattoos who has a great mentor. I
[26:15] get things wrong all the time. So, I'm
[26:17] telling you now, I believe this to be
[26:19] the case. When I think about it later, I
[26:21] might change my answer.
[26:22] >> So, if OD and I if if OD and I is
[26:26] running
[26:28] and it's got arrow underneath and arrow
[26:30] is doing the the pressurization of of
[26:33] somebody. Yep. Okay. that's going to
[26:34] have a distinct odor, feel, and smell.
[26:37] So the way Arrow goes about it is they
[26:39] will have um for example a colonel
[26:43] and they will call for example
[26:47] um a navy an active navy guy and the
[26:50] active navy guy says I decline
[26:54] to interview with you because I have
[26:56] said so I'm going somebody that did
[26:58] testify right now to be kind of safe
[26:59] about my words but like Chief Wiggins
[27:03] okay he testified to the world raised
[27:05] his hand active Navy. So then Arrow
[27:09] after the fact under ODNI
[27:12] they is my impression. They would call
[27:16] him and he would respectfully decline an
[27:19] interview because he said I told them
[27:20] everything I know. What are you
[27:22] interested in? And then Arrow would say,
[27:24] "Well, I'm not interested in in in
[27:26] people.
[27:27] I'm just interested in events." Right?
[27:32] So, Senior Chief Wiggins would then be
[27:35] asked like, "So, who was with you in
[27:36] that room when that video was taken?"
[27:41] Now, I know they're lying to him already
[27:43] because I provided them every name.
[27:46] >> Mhm.
[27:46] >> It was in that room because I provide a
[27:48] lot of people every name cuz it's public
[27:49] record cuz it's not a classified
[27:51] situation, right? So, now you've got
[27:54] this weird kind of pressurization that
[27:56] is beginning. And then if he declines
[27:59] again, and by the way, when they catch
[28:00] you on the phone and they pretend to be
[28:01] like driving in a car, or they are
[28:03] driving in a car, but they're pretending
[28:04] like, "Oh, Mr. Magcoo, everything's
[28:06] cool." They're weaponizing his answers
[28:09] to try to entrap him in something that
[28:11] isn't real, right? They're they're
[28:13] wishing cuz they don't know. And that's
[28:15] what's so cool. They don't know. So,
[28:16] they're trying to create a situation to
[28:18] pressurize him. Why? Because ultimately,
[28:22] they want to have they want to be able
[28:24] to shape the emerging UAP narrative. So
[28:27] they want to have control of any naval
[28:30] person that would ever even dare to
[28:33] stand up and raise their hand about UAP
[28:35] again. Not that they're not going to let
[28:37] him. Yeah. They're just going to shape
[28:38] it.
[28:38] >> They they have to Yeah. Um Yeah. They
[28:41] got to put out the fires.
[28:43] >> They No, they need to do a have control
[28:45] of the burn.
[28:46] >> Mhm.
[28:47] >> So So that is one way that you apply
[28:50] pressure and that is the um inert way.
[28:53] You nobody can get in trouble. Nobody is
[28:54] getting in trouble. This is a high level
[28:56] thing, but what they're trying to do is
[28:58] spread a word on the wash
[29:00] that there are obstacles to you telling
[29:02] the truth in the Navy because the things
[29:05] spread like when I brought when I kept
[29:08] commander
[29:08] >> that's so subtle like it feels
[29:11] >> I'm telling you the subtle one.
[29:12] >> Yeah, it feels like that could almost be
[29:15] mistaken for
[29:18] I guess um ignorant.
[29:21] >> Oh, I didn't finish.
[29:22] >> Okay. Because then once you've declined
[29:26] and then your superior gets a call and
[29:30] that call is simply like menacing
[29:33] and then the superior says well what
[29:36] happens because the Navy's so they got
[29:38] the backs of their sailors they got the
[29:40] backs of them that's true that's fact
[29:42] about the Navy
[29:43] >> so then the we'll say senior person I
[29:46] don't want to identify rank or whatever
[29:48] >> um they'll say so what happens if he
[29:52] declines signs again and the flex will
[29:56] be well we'll go to Pete Hexath.
[30:02] >> Okay.
[30:03] >> Okay. So they will go to
[30:05] >> like just flexing that they have a
[30:06] direct line
[30:07] >> and you know his position.
[30:08] >> Yeah. The Secretary of War.
[30:10] >> Okay. So that was their flex which made
[30:13] me [ __ ] laugh. I got my sense of
[30:15] humor back when I heard that,
[30:18] >> man. Cuz that is the worst possible flex
[30:20] they could possibly do cuz it's such
[30:23] [ __ ]
[30:24] >> Yeah.
[30:24] >> So, now we're in the thick of that,
[30:25] right?
[30:25] >> That's like I'll tell the teacher.
[30:27] >> No. Well, so I hate keep saying no, but
[30:30] um Yes. And Yes. And um we are going to
[30:33] get the teacher to sit you in the corner
[30:37] and you will [ __ ] answer and you will
[30:39] interview with us even though you've
[30:40] already said everything to the American
[30:42] public that you [ __ ] know. And that's
[30:43] the end of a message that then flows
[30:46] through the Navy. Now, that is the
[30:47] inert, right? I listed three types.
[30:49] Covert, um, overt, I think I said, and
[30:52] inert. Is that what I said? Sure. Play
[30:54] the tape back. Okay.
[30:56] >> So, that is like the most simple version
[30:59] of inert. Right now, you've got we're
[31:02] talking about threatening witnesses. Is
[31:05] that what we're talking about?
[31:06] >> Yeah.
[31:06] >> Okay.
[31:06] >> Well, I just want to know what they mean
[31:08] by that because we've heard it a lot.
[31:10] We've heard about reprisals. we heard
[31:12] this and that and it's kind of been like
[31:15] never even you know when Grush talked
[31:17] about it Grush has said that you know
[31:19] people have sustained uh injury and you
[31:23] know casualties have been taken but like
[31:25] it's always kind of been vague and I
[31:27] just want to know what exactly goes on
[31:29] with these interactions. So, so it is
[31:31] always going to be big because now we're
[31:33] going to move over from co or we're
[31:35] going to move out from inert. We're
[31:37] going to move to um I think we'll move
[31:40] to covert.
[31:42] >> Okay.
[31:43] >> So, so covert. Um or should what was the
[31:45] other one I said? Um
[31:47] >> overt. We we can go to overt. Let's go
[31:49] overt and then covert. Okay. So
[31:54] overt.
[31:59] You get a call and on the other end of
[32:01] that call is we are going to [ __ ]
[32:04] kill you.
[32:06] Full stop.
[32:08] Hang up. That's just a start. Okay, that
[32:10] that's overt, right? Would you agree
[32:12] that's overt?
[32:12] >> That's pretty overt.
[32:13] >> Yeah, we're going to [ __ ] kill you.
[32:15] >> Hang up. Now, that'll get in your head
[32:18] like a worm. Okay. So, you get like a
[32:20] bunch of those.
[32:21] >> You don't know where that's coming from.
[32:22] >> Let's keep going.
[32:24] Overt. You tell me if this is overt.
[32:30] You're at a a bar and you're you're
[32:32] there with friends that can read. I say
[32:34] they can read. They can read the room.
[32:36] Okay. A funny story about auntie, but
[32:37] anyway, they can read. And there is a
[32:42] violently murderous, quiet [ __ ]
[32:46] just sitting by you. And you can feel
[32:49] like pain, right? Like it hurts.
[32:53] And you're like, "Oh, it's [ __ ] in my
[32:54] head." You know, [ __ ] chill out, man.
[32:56] Get a sense of humor. Breathe. You know,
[32:57] it's fine.
[33:00] So, you are so used to this that you go
[33:03] to the bar cuz you know all the locals
[33:06] and you just ask, "You ever seen this
[33:08] guy before?" Nobody's ever seen this
[33:09] guy. Nobody. Servers there 10 years.
[33:11] Never seen this guy.
[33:14] So, you buy a beer and you put the beer
[33:16] down right next to the guy
[33:19] and you go, "Hey, man. Never seen you
[33:21] around here. My name is Jeremy. Here's a
[33:23] cool sticker. It's a joke." Um, but it's
[33:25] not. It's good. That's [ __ ] flying
[33:26] saucer. You know, like that. And you go,
[33:28] "You live by here."
[33:30] And the the the mask, the charade just
[33:34] like vanishes. Totally unmasked, right?
[33:38] Totally unmasked. and you happen to have
[33:39] a reporter
[33:41] >> watching
[33:42] >> who can read
[33:44] and the individual says something
[33:47] exactly like, "Yeah,
[33:51] just down the road, but like that."
[33:54] And you're like, "Cool.
[33:57] So, bullshit."
[34:00] And then that guy would say something
[34:01] like very, very threatening, would stand
[34:05] up, walk away. Now, when I said
[34:08] [ __ ] let me clarify. I didn't say
[34:10] like [ __ ] I was like, "Come on,
[34:13] man." That was my version of [ __ ]
[34:15] So, that is very overt intimidation,
[34:18] especially when you can find out later
[34:20] who that person was.
[34:22] >> You found out who that person was.
[34:23] >> I'm saying especially when you can.
[34:25] >> Did you?
[34:26] >> I'm going to decline to answer that.
[34:27] >> Okay. Well, I mean,
[34:29] >> I'm sorry. I mean, I need to hold
[34:31] something for myself. Yeah. For my own
[34:33] sake.
[34:33] >> So, you may or may not have found out
[34:34] who that was.
[34:35] >> For my own sanity, right?
[34:36] >> Sure. Okay.
[34:37] >> So, I'm not trying to be evasive. Give
[34:39] me the
[34:39] >> soda. Could you take this guy in a
[34:41] fight? If it No weapons.
[34:43] >> No.
[34:43] >> He was big.
[34:44] >> Yeah.
[34:45] >> He's a huge guy.
[34:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No way. I'm dead.
[34:48] >> So, especially when a when when your
[34:51] friend follows that guy because he can
[34:53] read and was hanging out by a car
[34:54] watching everything cuz I got good
[34:56] friends. I don't hang out with
[34:57] douchebags.
[34:58] >> Yeah.
[34:59] >> And they follow and he notices that the
[35:02] guys because he's not like a trained
[35:03] guy. And when he notices, he walks up
[35:06] into the woods.
[35:08] >> Not Yeah, he walked up into the woods.
[35:10] >> Oh, that's creepy.
[35:11] >> Yeah. So, that's overt. Would you
[35:12] consider that overt?
[35:14] >> When you when you called him out for
[35:16] [ __ ] what did he say?
[35:17] >> Um, [ __ ] Uh, the exact words were um
[35:22] like watch your back or something or was
[35:23] it
[35:24] >> No, I think what I said was I didn't say
[35:26] the exact words you said. I don't recall
[35:28] what I
[35:28] >> Yeah, you said like uh no way or
[35:31] whatever.
[35:32] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm sorry. my brain this
[35:34] morning. Whatever I said before, if I
[35:35] said it, then it was in my mind as the
[35:37] exact. I don't want to put myself right
[35:39] there again cuz I'm just moving you
[35:40] through over.
[35:40] >> Yeah. You were like, "Get out of here."
[35:42] >> So, so no, no, I didn't say get out of
[35:44] here.
[35:44] >> No, like when he said, you know, I live
[35:46] down the road. You called him out on it,
[35:48] right?
[35:48] >> Did he say anything back to you before
[35:50] he left?
[35:50] >> Yes. And I already said it and I my
[35:52] brain is already
[35:53] >> No, you didn't say what he said. You
[35:54] said what you said. Yeah.
[35:55] >> So, let's just let's just leave it at
[35:56] that and I want to move forward.
[35:58] >> All right.
[35:58] >> Um I I I will do a disclaimer about my
[36:01] my brain. uh at the later my memory. No,
[36:05] that's fine. This works. Okay, fine. I
[36:07] understand.
[36:07] >> So, I have to I have to put myself there
[36:09] visually.
[36:09] >> Yeah.
[36:10] >> But I've already moved on. So, so now
[36:12] >> Jeremy, first of all, as someone who
[36:13] spent time with you, like I understand
[36:16] you don't have to keep explaining um you
[36:19] know,
[36:21] your your the way that you interpret how
[36:23] your brain works or anything. I get it.
[36:24] >> No, no, I know. But your audience
[36:26] doesn't know me.
[36:27] >> That's okay.
[36:28] >> Okay.
[36:28] >> I get it. And if they've watched the
[36:30] movie, um, which by now they would have,
[36:33] um, they'll get a glimpse into who you
[36:35] are,
[36:36] >> okay?
[36:36] >> And how your brain works,
[36:37] >> okay?
[36:38] >> And I think they can appreciate it. And
[36:39] I think, uh, you know, just just so that
[36:42] you don't have to feel the need to stop
[36:43] and and address it all the time,
[36:45] >> okay? But I, you know, I usually have a
[36:46] pen and paper cuz I I I don't want to
[36:48] get off track when I answer your
[36:49] questions. I hate it when people don't
[36:50] answer questions, but I I need to take
[36:52] you somewhere so that you really
[36:54] understand it.
[36:55] >> You're pretty good at putting a pen in
[36:56] things. Okay. So now here we are. Would
[36:59] you consider I've given you two now.
[37:01] Would you consider that overt?
[37:03] >> I would consider that somewhere between
[37:04] covert and overt.
[37:05] >> Right. So so now now we're there. It was
[37:07] covert before it was overt. Okay. It
[37:09] became very overt. Yeah. Okay. But so
[37:12] now I gave you one which is like the
[37:13] calls. Then I gave you one where the guy
[37:15] kind of starts off covert and then is
[37:17] overt. Yeah.
[37:18] >> Now I've got another one for you to show
[37:19] you where the lines start blurring. So,
[37:21] let's say you're standing somewhere and
[37:25] somebody mark bumps into you and marks
[37:28] you. Let's just marks you. We'll say I
[37:31] just want to be
[37:31] >> physically bumps into you.
[37:33] >> Physically bumps into you and like, you
[37:34] know, let's say puts something on you
[37:36] that marks you. Let's pretend it's a
[37:38] pin. Okay. Sure.
[37:39] >> You know, bump into you. Next thing you
[37:40] know, you're wearing a pin. Okay.
[37:42] >> So, then later you come to understand
[37:46] the meaning of that pin, right? And so
[37:49] that is overt even though
[37:52] >> nothing is quite said now.
[37:54] >> So there's another version. We're
[37:56] getting into the real covert. Yeah. We
[37:58] got to look around our bed.
[37:59] >> Just I'm making sure the cameras roll.
[38:00] >> I know. I was giving you cover.
[38:02] >> Okay. I'm I'm trying to be
[38:03] >> He's making sure the cameras are still
[38:05] rolling. These are brand new cameras and
[38:06] Chris Ramsey is nervous that the
[38:07] screen's going to go out. Okay.
[38:08] >> Boom. All screens going.
[38:10] >> Okay. So So now we're kind of blending
[38:12] the covert over. You know, you said
[38:13] brass knuckles. Um sure people get beat
[38:15] up. They get [ __ ] killed all the time
[38:17] for what they know. That does happen.
[38:19] And that's not just UFO related. That's
[38:21] like we have in the mob
[38:23] >> there are thugs all over,
[38:24] >> right? In the mob, you get killed simply
[38:27] because you know something, you will be
[38:29] murdered viciously to send a message.
[38:32] But sometimes when people just vanish,
[38:36] that is also a message to the people
[38:40] that need to hear the message.
[38:43] Poof, you're gone. You're Masslin. Poof,
[38:46] you're gone. You're so and so. Poof,
[38:47] you're a guy at Los Alamos. You're gone.
[38:49] Poof. You were working on a science
[38:50] thing and all of a sudden, poof, you're
[38:52] gone. You're gone. You're gone. Question
[38:53] is, where'd you go? Now, we find bodies
[38:56] sometimes. Question is, is Masslin a
[38:59] threebody problem?
[39:02] Is he because there were two others that
[39:04] people are linking to him in some weird
[39:06] kind of way? And did it have anything to
[39:08] do with UFOs? I have no idea. I'm not
[39:10] read into that. But I'm just saying
[39:11] sometimes people vanishing is more of a
[39:15] message to those that need to know than
[39:17] if somebody gets killed.
[39:19] >> So the worst thing you could do
[39:21] >> is um like stab Dylan Borland in the
[39:24] neck 20 times uh you know in public cuz
[39:28] then that would make a lot of questions.
[39:29] So if you really were trying to hurt
[39:31] somebody
[39:32] >> Yeah.
[39:32] >> then the best way to do it
[39:34] >> is covert.
[39:35] >> Just make them go away.
[39:36] >> No. That's cuz remember that's a big
[39:38] message too.
[39:38] >> Oh that's a big message too.
[39:39] >> Right. So, it would be covert. And the
[39:42] best way to get a result is to have
[39:44] people do it for you without them even
[39:47] knowing it.
[39:49] >> How do you mean?
[39:50] >> Okay. So, you've got somebody that is
[39:53] mentally unstable and already dislikes
[39:56] Chris Ramsey. We're going to put it on
[39:58] you so you can feel it. Okay. Okay.
[40:00] >> So, this guy is a UFO fanatic and this
[40:03] guy is unstable and this guy [ __ ]
[40:06] hates you, Chris.
[40:08] Okay. Easy. This guy also has a history.
[40:13] That history allows him to be close to
[40:15] intelligence,
[40:17] but he [ __ ] hates you.
[40:19] >> And he ain't wrapped so tight.
[40:22] >> But that's why they chose him in the
[40:23] first place for other jobs. You have to
[40:25] be a little bit of um sociopathic
[40:27] tendencies to be chosen. Not loose
[40:30] cannon. They can't have that. Um ask
[40:32] that guy that was in prison from the
[40:33] CIA. um that dude who's famously a
[40:36] whistleblower about um murders or sorry
[40:39] about um torture.
[40:40] >> What's his name? Come on man, my brain.
[40:42] >> Um Karyaku, John Keryaku or something.
[40:45] So this guy was famously CIA and FBI
[40:48] tried to entrap him because he told the
[40:52] truth to the world that we were
[40:54] waterboarding and torturing people. So
[40:55] he served out of choice four years in
[40:58] prison as a CIA guy for you know
[41:00] disclosure going on the news of this
[41:02] fact because it was the right thing to
[41:03] do. and he'd do it again. Right? So,
[41:07] kind of reeling me back in to the story
[41:09] about you. So, you've got somebody now
[41:13] that has close ties to intelligence, who
[41:16] is not a loose cannon, just has
[41:18] sociopathic
[41:20] um tendencies, but is not sociopathic
[41:23] because you can't control those guys.
[41:24] Okay?
[41:26] All that needs to be done
[41:29] is to instigate quietly, poke, prod,
[41:33] inflame, and then that person gets the
[41:37] bright idea to really hurt you.
[41:39] >> Right?
[41:39] >> So now that person is as an emissary
[41:42] doing what's wanted by these
[41:43] intelligence agencies because he already
[41:46] doesn't like you, already has
[41:48] significant training, and just needs a
[41:51] little poke and proddding. That's
[41:53] covert. is that cuz you know those those
[41:57] type of psychological tactics
[41:59] you know is very reminiscent of like MK
[42:01] Ultra uh type you know behavior as well.
[42:05] >> So I've heard
[42:06] >> um is is there anything that leads you
[42:10] to believe
[42:12] that that is the case or is it a hunch?
[42:15] No, I know. I I I know with 100%
[42:18] factual.
[42:19] >> You were told outside of that person
[42:21] that this is happening by like some
[42:24] credible.
[42:25] >> So, the answer is yes. But hold on. Let
[42:28] me process the time dilation and if I
[42:31] can ever be clear on this.
[42:34] >> Just let's pause the podcast right now.
[42:36] I mean, let's keep rolling, but just let
[42:38] me pause.
[42:38] >> Sure.
[42:41] I'm going to speak freely but we need to
[42:43] check if this can be said.
[42:46] >> Sure.
[42:47] >> Okay.
[42:49] >> You will check that with me?
[42:50] >> Yeah. 100%.
[42:50] >> Okay.
[42:53] So, I'll speak freely.
[42:56] Ask my mom.
[42:59] I was told
[43:01] by an agency. Yeah. they brought a
[43:05] sincere credible and urgent threat to my
[43:08] life to me
[43:12] and so there's there's some I don't want
[43:14] to reveal certain words because then all
[43:16] of a sudden that's the agency you can
[43:18] imagine but so imagine
[43:20] >> I mean there's not too many agencies
[43:22] here
[43:23] >> imagine you have to sit down with your
[43:25] mom and your wife and because you've had
[43:29] to move twice because of threats to to
[43:31] your life
[43:32] >> Mhm.
[43:33] Most of them overt, some covert, like
[43:36] moving into my new house and having it
[43:37] show up in a tabloid
[43:39] >> called dirt.com.
[43:41] >> Okay. So, um, and only two people know
[43:43] cuz you bought it in a blind LLC and
[43:45] those two people over 3 years, you found
[43:46] out for [ __ ] sure they didn't do it.
[43:48] Then you found out who paid the $300 to
[43:50] get that ad in there. And that [ __ ]
[43:52] sucks.
[43:53] >> Cuz cuz then you realize America is not
[43:55] what you thought it was. So, let's reel
[43:57] it back in.
[43:58] >> So, the person who paid for the ad is a
[44:00] member of an agency. So, I can't prove
[44:02] that,
[44:03] >> right? But that's your hunch.
[44:04] >> I would say I would say I know,
[44:06] >> but I still can't prove that.
[44:08] >> Okay.
[44:08] >> Okay. So, but yeah, whatever. It doesn't
[44:10] matter. Um, but but here's the deal.
[44:12] >> But that's pretty significant.
[44:13] >> Yeah, it's very significant to me in my
[44:15] understanding of the world.
[44:16] >> But let's get back to the Chris Ramsay
[44:18] threat and my mom and my wife. So,
[44:21] you're sitting there and the FBI is
[44:24] informing you um and you're informing
[44:27] them, too. But then they sidebar your
[44:29] mom and they they they take that
[44:32] opportunity to tell her some truths,
[44:34] right? They don't want to say it
[44:36] necessarily right there with me, but
[44:38] they kind of tell my mom what's up,
[44:40] right? And the thing is is that they
[44:43] really can't protect you because if
[44:45] there is an agency who is covertly
[44:49] pushing a psychopath to hurt you, Chris,
[44:52] and you were told that by someone you
[44:54] trust, meaning an agency that's supposed
[44:56] to protect you. That's what we're
[44:58] talking about as far as like covert
[45:01] using people. That is real. I know that
[45:04] is real because I have personally
[45:07] experienced it. But let's talk about the
[45:10] other witnesses and what's happened to
[45:11] them. I mean, I don't know where you
[45:13] want to go with this.
[45:15] >> I mean, am I making sense to you?
[45:17] >> You're making sense, definitely. And,
[45:20] you know, I I guess for me it's um
[45:23] you know, I'm sure many people feel this
[45:26] way as well. You know, they want they
[45:30] want specifics,
[45:31] >> right,
[45:31] >> when it comes to this stuff. But I also
[45:33] understand that it gets sensitive around
[45:35] specifics because you know there are
[45:38] apparently lives at stake here and and
[45:40] and more than um you know more lives
[45:43] than than are publicly even disclosed.
[45:46] And so that's a that's
[45:47] >> freedom of thought
[45:49] >> is at stake. Freedom of speech is at
[45:52] stake.
[45:53] >> Sure. Matthew Brown um his physical life
[45:58] before he went public oh [ __ ] yeah was
[46:01] um I would say it was very clear that
[46:05] that people didn't want him to come
[46:07] forward.
[46:07] >> So when you say that
[46:09] >> what do you mean by that? Because when I
[46:11] hear that I hear that a lot. It was very
[46:13] clear
[46:14] >> and in the interview that you released
[46:16] with Matt in both interviews with George
[46:18] as well
[46:20] >> um you it seems to be agreed upon
[46:26] between the three of you.
[46:28] >> Yeah. that yes, serious things have been
[46:32] implied and there has been sort of
[46:34] activity surrounding uh a threatening
[46:37] nature,
[46:39] but we're we're always just told that.
[46:42] We're never told the specifics. Is it
[46:44] because it's dirt? Is it like what is it
[46:47] that that they that they have that?
[46:51] >> No, there's no dirt on that.
[46:52] >> No, but what what I'm asking because I
[46:54] can only assume, right? And and it's
[46:56] always it always seems like oh they're
[46:59] definitely threatening but then we never
[47:01] get to hear like
[47:03] you know you said they called you and
[47:05] said we're going to kill you. That I
[47:07] understand.
[47:08] >> Yeah but that's overt.
[47:09] >> That's as direct as it gets.
[47:10] >> Um but a a kid could do that.
[47:12] >> Yes. But what I'm asking is at what
[47:14] point does it go from it's actually
[47:17] happening to
[47:19] you know from an outsers's perspective
[47:21] perceived paranoia?
[47:22] >> Oh no. No. You Yeah. F first of all a
[47:24] perceived threat is as important as a
[47:27] real threat because it feels the same.
[47:30] >> Sure.
[47:31] >> Okay. So, so to the person, oh,
[47:33] absolutely. You need to be
[47:37] or you're going to get paranoid and you
[47:39] need to document everything fidiously
[47:41] and check it with people who are not in
[47:43] your emotional state like your federal
[47:45] lawyer. Like for me, it'd be a bunch of
[47:47] people, right? You also need to have
[47:49] evidence and proof. And so you and you
[47:51] have to live that way. And living that
[47:53] way means that every moment of your
[47:55] life, unless you choose it to be, is
[47:58] documented, recorded, audio, video,
[48:00] pushed up to the cloud, spread out on
[48:01] servers, encrypted, and then spread out
[48:03] so anybody could see it if you ever say
[48:05] so or want them to.
[48:06] >> So you you're saying that you have
[48:08] threats that are recorded,
[48:11] >> bro.
[48:11] >> Or that people, you know, have threats.
[48:13] >> Recorded.
[48:14] >> Well, first of all, both. Okay.
[48:16] >> Is the answer. I want to answer your
[48:18] question. Yeah. Okay. And then let's
[48:21] move to my movie.
[48:23] So you the movie opens with, if I
[48:27] recall, with uh a CIA veteran.
[48:31] >> Yes.
[48:32] >> So let me let me show you the the shape
[48:33] of the orange cup now, which I said was
[48:35] CIA. Okay.
[48:36] >> Yeah. Told you you were good at putting
[48:37] pins in things.
[48:38] >> Well, I have tools. These are all tools
[48:40] for me to remember.
[48:41] >> You're good at that.
[48:42] >> So my memory is this. Here's CIA. Um, so
[48:47] CIA,
[48:49] if you if if you if you meet with them
[48:51] and you know, first they try to enroll
[48:54] you as a patriotic uh American. Okay.
[48:58] But you're already enrolled. You're
[49:00] already like, I am, you know, I'm never
[49:01] going to hurt our country, you know. Um,
[49:04] I'm going to do my best and if I [ __ ]
[49:05] up, that's on me, not on you.
[49:07] >> Sure.
[49:08] >> Okay. They don't like that so much. So
[49:09] then they're like, well, to enroll you,
[49:11] they want to give you incentive. Okay.
[49:14] So what does that look like? It's
[49:15] transactional, bro. It's simple. You
[49:18] know, maybe $10,000 a time. Now, you
[49:21] have to understand, too, I'm a I'm a
[49:22] journalist, so I have different rules
[49:24] that I have to play by, and they have
[49:26] different rules in order to contact me.
[49:29] So, some some are like there's a
[49:30] six-month process for one agency.
[49:32] They're supposed to be rules. Okay.
[49:34] Also, CIA ain't supposed to be operating
[49:35] on American soil.
[49:36] >> No, that's true,
[49:37] >> right? It is not true, but it is true.
[49:40] >> Yeah, but I mean, that is supposed to be
[49:42] the NSA.
[49:43] >> Okay.
[49:43] >> Yeah. you know more than I do. So, here
[49:45] we go. I mean, I you know, I don't know.
[49:47] I just know that's a fact. So, you know,
[49:49] the thing is people will get paid just
[49:52] to go talk to somebody just by like
[49:55] memorizing the streets of a small town,
[49:57] right? Like, you know, they'll they'll
[49:58] tell you we, you know, look, for me, I
[50:00] don't give a [ __ ] because I get paid x
[50:02] amount of dollars just to memorize
[50:03] streets when I'm here, you know? But
[50:05] when it comes down to money, so CIA is
[50:07] the most covert. they're the most um I
[50:09] respect their uh methodologies because
[50:14] they never fully say what they're saying
[50:16] until they do. So, at first it's like
[50:20] enroll you. They they can't enroll you
[50:22] cuz you're already enrolled. You want to
[50:24] protect America. You're a patriot. You
[50:27] live here. Then they'll be like, well,
[50:30] you know, people get paid. You know,
[50:32] it's a transactional thing. But you're
[50:33] like, oh, but I'm I'm a journalist. And
[50:35] so,
[50:37] yeah. 100%.
[50:39] >> 100%. And then like, you know, you don't
[50:42] even let people buy you a beer.
[50:43] >> No. Yeah.
[50:44] >> Okay.
[50:47] Then
[50:49] when it gets heavier
[50:52] and they can't enroll you and they can't
[50:55] incentivize you, the next thing they can
[50:58] do
[50:59] is make you uncomfortable.
[51:01] >> Mhm. So, an example of that would be
[51:04] um you know, you buy a house in a blind
[51:06] LLC and then a magazine prints it. Okay?
[51:09] And there's only two people on planet
[51:10] Earth that know that you're associated
[51:13] with this property and you're moving
[51:15] because of a direct threat that has been
[51:17] proven to you and you were informed
[51:19] about that. Then if that doesn't work
[51:23] then the next thing is hey man we really
[51:26] want to look out for you and we are
[51:29] worried that just the bad guys you know
[51:32] like other foreign nations um
[51:34] intelligence people you know they might
[51:36] try to honey trap you man you know they
[51:38] might try to do this to you that to you
[51:40] but we you know we can like look out for
[51:42] you so you know let us know let us know
[51:44] if something ever occurs like that and
[51:47] then that [ __ ] they do that does treer
[51:50] her, you know, people, but you know,
[51:52] you're on guard. You got friends with
[51:53] you. You have to live that way. So, you
[51:54] got they all eyes open. You make a joke.
[51:56] You say it out loud. You [ __ ] my
[51:58] side. You know, the whole thing. You
[52:01] didn't read my profile. You have to talk
[52:02] to me about my dogs first. You making
[52:04] jokes. Making jokes. So then that's
[52:07] like, "Oh, [ __ ] You better report that
[52:08] to your lawyer." Like, you know, just
[52:10] the fact that someone was was this close
[52:12] to you. You got to report that to your
[52:14] lawyer. You'd give that to DOJ, FBI.
[52:17] You'd go like that cuz you want
[52:18] everybody to know that [ __ ] happened.
[52:22] Now the question is and and they affirm
[52:24] that that [ __ ] happened. Meaning you
[52:27] have your friend taking a photo of the
[52:29] Instagram of the girl when she's talking
[52:31] to you. So you then look at the
[52:33] Instagram profile, have her assume name,
[52:35] pass it on to DOJ. Okay. So all of a
[52:38] sudden you've got that kind of weird
[52:39] honey trap thing where it's just
[52:41] somebody's trying to get to you real
[52:43] close to you. That seems exhausting
[52:46] >> for me. Oh, dude, bro, I'm done living
[52:48] like that.
[52:49] >> So, so that's part of why I told you I'm
[52:52] gonna be free because I put my cards on
[52:54] the table, all 52. Chris, I might hold
[52:57] one,
[52:58] >> but that card ain't even supposed to be
[52:59] in the deck.
[53:02] >> That card's right here, Chris.
[53:03] >> H.
[53:04] >> Ah, okay. That one's not supposed to be
[53:05] in the deck.
[53:06] >> So, now
[53:08] the next thing that occurs because you
[53:10] ain't buying that [ __ ] because here's
[53:12] why. Tell me if you already thought this
[53:15] because if I can't operate on American
[53:17] soil,
[53:19] but MSAD can and does,
[53:24] then I might ask my friend to send their
[53:28] girl.
[53:30] You tracking?
[53:30] >> Mhm.
[53:31] >> Okay, that happens every day. And I'll
[53:34] finish it with this
[53:35] >> little honeypotss.
[53:36] >> Not just that, we're talking all types
[53:39] of actions. So, let me put it to you
[53:41] like this.
[53:43] There is
[53:45] an upside down and it is everywhere
[53:49] around you at all times.
[53:54] And the people that have trained
[53:57] officially and are part of it know that
[54:01] it exists. And it is the intelligence
[54:03] web that is constantly operating at high
[54:08] speed with time dilation. I mean faster
[54:12] than you can think.
[54:13] >> Like actually
[54:15] >> 100%.
[54:16] >> Like when you're saying this, you're not
[54:17] just speaking in hyperbole.
[54:18] >> No, I'm speaking in hyperbole. There's
[54:20] no internet under the ground.
[54:21] >> No, but I mean time dilation that.
[54:23] >> No, no, no. I'm not going into weirdo
[54:25] land. I'm sorry. Whoa. I got to be
[54:26] careful. I forgot. We're talking UFO
[54:28] [ __ ]
[54:28] >> Oh, yeah. I'm 100%
[54:31] massively invested in weirdo land. So I
[54:34] >> So if you say if you say they're using
[54:35] time dilation, I'm I'm pretty convinced
[54:38] of that fact myself. No, I I have I have
[54:40] no idea.
[54:41] >> All right, you're not just entertaining
[54:42] my psychosis here. This is Okay,
[54:44] perfect.
[54:44] >> I I am outside of the scope of my
[54:47] knowledge base if I said that. I have I
[54:49] have a theory base like we were talking
[54:51] theory right now.
[54:51] >> No, I thought you were gassing up my um
[54:54] you know, my insane mind right now for a
[54:56] sec cuz I'm like this is what I want to
[54:57] talk. Let's talk about time.
[54:59] >> I hope I'm g I hope I'm throwing I hope
[55:01] you've got a fire burning in your brain
[55:02] and I'm going to try to put it out with
[55:03] gasoline right now. But so let's just
[55:05] finish this because this is way heavier
[55:07] than I wanted to start with. Yeah. Yeah.
[55:08] Yeah.
[55:09] >> So I want to like reverse it, you know,
[55:10] moonwalk from Z to A, but I'll just
[55:12] finish this. This is what you said the
[55:14] word hyperbole. Yeah. This is I'm just
[55:16] explaining that
[55:18] >> that thank God there is an intelligence
[55:21] network that is operating at all times.
[55:24] It's the upside down. You don't see it
[55:27] and it's [ __ ] happening all the time
[55:29] around you. And the only time it
[55:31] percolates to the surface or there's a
[55:33] puncture and you and you see behind that
[55:35] veil is unfortunately
[55:38] when you have to go into skiffs when
[55:40] you've been involved when you've had
[55:42] what I call badged contact cuz it's
[55:43] literally badged contact and they read
[55:45] your profile and they say got to talk
[55:47] about my dogs. You have to show them a
[55:48] video. You can't just do that. It has to
[55:50] be a video and then you could talk to
[55:52] him because he's a journalist and you
[55:54] know he probably has a perfect audio
[55:56] memory that can be transmitted at any
[55:59] time verbatim. So just know that about
[56:01] him as well because he always takes
[56:03] phone calls on speaker phone for the
[56:05] last uh more than 11 years now and and
[56:09] and he's always talking on speaker
[56:11] phone. So just know that about him.
[56:15] >> So that's how you approach, right? So
[56:17] you have to understand and now you do is
[56:20] that there is an upside down and thank
[56:23] god there is and it's so important but
[56:26] the only time that we as normies see a
[56:31] penetration or a poke like the the
[56:34] ancient Greeks used to say stars were
[56:35] hummingbirds that would poke holes in
[56:38] the firmament and that's what stars were
[56:40] right the only time you get to see that
[56:42] I get to see that is when it's too late
[56:45] when when you've already crossed the
[56:48] Rubicon.
[56:49] Otherwise, you have disbelief. You have
[56:52] the word you said, which is a weapon,
[56:55] which is paranoia,
[56:56] >> which I have never been one day in my
[56:58] life.
[57:01] >> Like the word conspiracy theorist is a
[57:04] is a dagger. It's a weapon. It's used to
[57:06] discredit you.
[57:08] >> But we can use those funny terms and we
[57:11] can make UFOs funny again because they
[57:13] should be.
[57:14] >> I agree.
[57:15] >> Yeah. So that that's just now that we've
[57:16] done the heavy thing. Yeah. And you
[57:18] understand
[57:19] >> at least that I believe what I'm saying
[57:21] to be true. Now we can lighten up. We'll
[57:25] talk about time dilation.
[57:27] >> I mean, yeah, it's Thank you for sharing
[57:30] all that. And I know I know it's well,
[57:33] it doesn't seem easy to talk about and
[57:34] especially, you know, after watching the
[57:36] movie. Um,
[57:38] first of all, congratulations
[57:41] is a weird thing to say.
[57:43] >> Uh, but
[57:43] >> I didn't make the movie. No, I know. But
[57:45] the uh
[57:45] >> Michael Lazoski made the movie.
[57:47] >> Well, the movie is uh really good watch.
[57:50] I I the Yeah, the artistic choices that
[57:54] he made um were really
[57:58] in were really appreciated. I
[58:01] appreciated that.
[58:02] >> You always want facts. You want
[58:03] specifics like
[58:04] >> Sure. I feel like in this movie the
[58:07] focus was more on the in between moments
[58:10] and the in between moments were put
[58:12] forward as the main moments and the main
[58:15] moments were kind of brushed aside
[58:17] >> and I think that that's a director or
[58:21] filmmakers approach to trying to find
[58:26] the authenticity. It is hard going in
[58:29] front of a camera and being authentic to
[58:32] say to someone, hey, just be real, be
[58:35] authentic, be yourself.
[58:36] >> It's never been hard for me.
[58:38] >> No, but I mean in
[58:39] >> Why is it hard?
[58:39] >> But in general, it it is hard for people
[58:42] because people now you're conscious of
[58:44] the camera and so you become
[58:46] self-conscious and all of this. So one
[58:48] of the Yeah. So, a a great way to go
[58:50] beyond that is, you know, this is
[58:53] something I had a I had a TV show we did
[58:55] one season of and I was the executive
[58:57] producer and the creator of the show and
[59:01] I remember we were doing some sort of
[59:04] hidden camera stuff because we wanted
[59:07] people to not hidden camera but we
[59:10] wanted people to act naturally with
[59:12] cameras around.
[59:14] >> Act naturally. Actually, the hilarious
[59:17] >> you know that. Exactly. It is. It is.
[59:19] >> You can't be acting. You just have to be
[59:20] natural.
[59:20] >> No, it is contradictory, but just sort
[59:22] of, you know, that term, just act
[59:24] natural. Um, which is hard for people to
[59:26] do if they're cognizant, if the camera's
[59:27] around. So, what we would do is, uh, the
[59:28] camera would be filming. And we noticed
[59:31] as soon as people yelled, uh, cut,
[59:34] >> everyone would relax and then they'd be
[59:36] themselves.
[59:38] >> And so, we had a code word for cut.
[59:40] >> Instead of being someone else, you had a
[59:41] code word for cut.
[59:42] >> So, we had we had a code word for cut.
[59:44] So, when we said cut, it wasn't cut. It
[59:46] was cameraman relax and look away while
[59:49] he's still filming. And then we get the
[59:51] real moments because a lot of the
[59:52] moments we were like, "What did you can
[59:53] you describe what happened in that magic
[59:55] trick?" And if the camera's there, they
[59:56] go,
[59:57] >> "Uh, it was great.
[01:00:00] >> Uh, so wow, it was amazing." You know,
[01:00:03] and then we're like, "We can't use that.
[01:00:05] We need authenticity." And so we go,
[01:00:07] "All right, we got it cut." And then we
[01:00:08] go like, "Wasn't that crazy?" They go,
[01:00:10] "OH MY GOD, THAT WAS so insane." and
[01:00:12] they'd open up while we're filming sort
[01:00:14] of slouched. And so what I'm trying to
[01:00:17] say with this is during this there were
[01:00:20] a lot of moments where you know there's
[01:00:22] a moment where you got very emotional
[01:00:24] where you're like
[01:00:25] >> you said that's okay years ago to me.
[01:00:27] >> I did and you were like cut this out
[01:00:28] [ __ ] You left and you left the
[01:00:30] room.
[01:00:31] >> No in the to me and in this movie. Um
[01:00:33] >> and he left that in the movie. Of course
[01:00:35] he [ __ ] did
[01:00:36] >> me with TMZ too [ __ ] But I also
[01:00:39] think that like aside from that, there
[01:00:41] was also those in between moments with
[01:00:42] John
[01:00:43] >> Lear. Hold on. I said [ __ ] in a good
[01:00:44] way. Like I love you, Ryan at TM. You
[01:00:47] left it in even though I was like, are
[01:00:48] you sure you want? So what happened with
[01:00:49] John Le?
[01:00:50] >> Yeah, with John Leer, it was much of the
[01:00:51] same. First of all, I didn't realize how
[01:00:53] much John Leer enjoys eating until
[01:00:57] >> we cut out 90% of that.
[01:00:59] >> Every scene was he was stuffing his face
[01:01:02] with something. It was unbelievable. He
[01:01:04] was either smoking a cigar or or eating.
[01:01:06] And he was always when he's eating, he's
[01:01:08] so consumed by what he's eating. He's
[01:01:10] just like and he's and and he's
[01:01:12] listening half listening. He's like and
[01:01:14] just back to back to food.
[01:01:16] >> Did it capture the movie? Did you see a
[01:01:18] glimpse of his laughter?
[01:01:20] >> Yeah. Yeah,
[01:01:21] >> you did. Okay.
[01:01:22] >> Yeah. Yeah. Especially Especially when
[01:01:26] um when he was asked
[01:01:28] >> um
[01:01:28] >> do you think you're nuts?
[01:01:29] >> Do you think you're crazy? You know, and
[01:01:31] Yeah. Do you think you're nuts?
[01:01:33] >> Warm nuts.
[01:01:34] >> Exactly. And he kind of brushed it off
[01:01:36] and he's like, "No." He's like, "I know
[01:01:38] these things to be real." He's like,
[01:01:39] "Other people might think I'm nuts."
[01:01:40] >> He didn't brush it off. He said with
[01:01:42] absolute like pity on me.
[01:01:44] >> Yeah.
[01:01:44] >> No.
[01:01:45] >> Yeah.
[01:01:45] >> No.
[01:01:46] >> Yeah. To him.
[01:01:46] >> No. But there's there's another laugh.
[01:01:48] There's another laugh that he gets. And
[01:01:49] I I don't know if Michael put it in his
[01:01:51] movie. But let's let's myopic this for a
[01:01:53] second. Let's split a hair. Um let's
[01:01:54] talk about Michael for one second
[01:01:56] because I've never been able to talk
[01:01:57] about this movie because it hasn't come
[01:01:58] out yet. This is the first time that I'm
[01:02:00] talking about this movie and I don't
[01:02:02] know if I'm ever going to talk about
[01:02:03] this movie again.
[01:02:04] >> So, I want to talk about this movie and
[01:02:06] about Michael. Okay.
[01:02:08] >> Um, one other thing you said that I put
[01:02:09] a mental pin in I want to come back to.
[01:02:11] But,
[01:02:13] >> so, Michael Lzovski,
[01:02:17] about being natural. Um, so I wanted to
[01:02:20] ask you a question about being natural.
[01:02:22] I learned something about a camera and I
[01:02:25] think that's what allowed me to never
[01:02:27] fear them
[01:02:28] >> or never know just decline to admit them
[01:02:32] their existence
[01:02:33] >> because I do and and you know me and I
[01:02:37] have a purpose and I use the camera like
[01:02:39] a weapon. So if I go on a new show I use
[01:02:40] that time like a weapon and then I know
[01:02:44] the camera's going or whatever but it's
[01:02:46] never about the camera and there's a
[01:02:48] reason why. There's a reason how I got
[01:02:49] there and I want to tell you that. But
[01:02:51] first quick question. Why do you think
[01:02:55] that a camera inhibits
[01:02:58] acting normally or whatever the word you
[01:03:01] said was acting?
[01:03:02] >> Yeah.
[01:03:02] >> Why
[01:03:03] >> authentically rather than just being
[01:03:04] with it? Why does that lens do that to
[01:03:06] people?
[01:03:06] >> Because you become self-aware.
[01:03:08] >> Why is that a problem?
[01:03:09] >> Well, it's it's it's only it's only a
[01:03:11] problem for people who are afraid of how
[01:03:14] they're being perceived.
[01:03:15] >> Exactly.
[01:03:16] >> Yeah. So if you're
[01:03:17] >> why do we why do we have fear about the
[01:03:22] way we're perceived?
[01:03:23] >> It's fear of not being loved.
[01:03:25] >> Okay, hold on. Give me a my brain a
[01:03:26] second. Fear of not being loved.
[01:03:31] Okay. Is it also fear? So yes. And is it
[01:03:35] also fear of being hated and ridiculed?
[01:03:40] >> Same. The one and the same. I consider
[01:03:41] the same thing. Yeah.
[01:03:42] >> Okay. So we're saying the same thing.
[01:03:43] >> Yeah.
[01:03:44] >> So agreed. Now we can move on.
[01:03:46] >> Yeah. Okay.
[01:03:46] >> Um, so I mean that was a really nice
[01:03:50] thing to watch unfold is these in
[01:03:52] between moments. There's a moment where
[01:03:54] John Le's stuck in the kitchen with his
[01:03:57] wheelchair.
[01:03:57] >> I got to get this out of my head and
[01:03:58] then you go on with the wheelchair.
[01:04:00] >> So the reason why I don't fear the
[01:04:03] camera.
[01:04:03] >> Sure.
[01:04:04] >> Is because I learned from the first time
[01:04:07] I pointed it at somebody that in fact
[01:04:10] the opposite is true. that sometimes
[01:04:13] when you put a camera on someone, if
[01:04:16] it's that kind of person, it's like a
[01:04:18] pressure valve. The first time I opened
[01:04:20] a camera on someone, they told me [ __ ]
[01:04:23] that they had never even told their wife
[01:04:25] or their family. So, my experience with
[01:04:28] a camera started for me on this end of
[01:04:30] it. And I realized that that's the kind
[01:04:33] of person that I want to interview cuz
[01:04:36] I'm learning the stuff that is not
[01:04:39] supposed to be said or they felt it
[01:04:41] wasn't. And it was like healing.
[01:04:43] >> It was cathartic.
[01:04:43] >> And I I put that in a little box and I
[01:04:46] buried it under the ground and and that
[01:04:48] person knows because I
[01:04:49] >> hyperbole.
[01:04:50] >> No.
[01:04:51] >> Really?
[01:04:52] >> You really buried it?
[01:04:53] >> I I buried [ __ ] my whole life.
[01:04:55] >> Okay.
[01:04:56] >> I'm just making sure
[01:04:57] >> it's in the [ __ ] movie. Did you
[01:04:59] finish the movie?
[01:05:00] >> Yes. But that's what I'm wondering if
[01:05:01] you're are you referring to that as like
[01:05:02] a hyperbolic sort of anecdote or are you
[01:05:05] actually saying this is another thing I
[01:05:07] buried?
[01:05:07] >> You're in Alice in Wonderland now and
[01:05:09] there's no hope. Okay. Remember Le said
[01:05:11] that. So here's the deal with that is
[01:05:14] that healing thing and my being on this
[01:05:18] side. I realized this camera is a
[01:05:20] passport. But I also realized that you
[01:05:22] have to act. The trick to being trusted
[01:05:25] is to actually be trustworthy. The only
[01:05:27] problem with trust is it doesn't end
[01:05:30] once somebody trusts you. You have to
[01:05:31] continuously reinforce, prove it, show
[01:05:33] the receipts, and maintain it. If you
[01:05:35] want a high level of trust, that's why I
[01:05:37] always tell people if something I say
[01:05:38] sounds too fantastic, well, ask me right
[01:05:40] now. No preparation and I will give you
[01:05:42] I'll show you the receipt. But I brought
[01:05:44] I brought a different phone so I can't.
[01:05:45] But anyway, that is me and my friends,
[01:05:48] we have this joke. We're all receipt.
[01:05:49] And it's not cuz we don't believe each
[01:05:51] other. It's because we need to know it's
[01:05:54] true. Um it needs to be reinforced. Like
[01:05:56] if if if miracles happen, Chris, and
[01:05:58] there was over 200 miracles and you know
[01:06:01] cuz you've had your own miracle in
[01:06:03] magic, but you know that there's impact
[01:06:06] in the receipts, you would collect those
[01:06:08] and you would create a book and you
[01:06:09] would tell the world. So what what I'm
[01:06:11] trying to say is that that relationship
[01:06:14] that I had to a camera and then where I
[01:06:16] said and I showed trust over and over
[01:06:18] and I buried it and I buried it and I
[01:06:20] buried it uh both hyperbole and not
[01:06:22] hyperbole at that time. Um, what happens
[01:06:25] is that gets around. So when I kept
[01:06:27] Commander Fraver's secret, when I could
[01:06:30] have been the person to break that story
[01:06:33] in the big scale and everybody,
[01:06:35] including Fraver, started telling
[01:06:37] everybody that kid kept my [ __ ]
[01:06:39] secret, that spreads like a virus where
[01:06:42] all of a sudden everybody's got a
[01:06:43] contagion and that spreads. and it's
[01:06:45] that this guy can keep his mouth shut
[01:06:47] because the biggest part of telling
[01:06:49] secrets is knowing how functionally and
[01:06:52] when to keep them. So now with the
[01:06:54] camera situation sorted that we've just
[01:06:56] sorted here on Area 52, you know, I
[01:06:59] think that you should feel authentic in
[01:07:01] front of a camera and if you don't don't
[01:07:02] get in front of one
[01:07:04] >> because you can never take that back.
[01:07:06] >> Sure.
[01:07:06] >> That is something you can never take
[01:07:07] back.
[01:07:08] >> So anyway, with that said, now go back
[01:07:10] to your saying a funny moment there.
[01:07:11] Well, I mean that's an interesting you
[01:07:14] provide an interesting perspective I
[01:07:16] think into your personality as well
[01:07:19] because all you know you're clearly
[01:07:22] someone who
[01:07:26] has an ability to you have the gift of
[01:07:30] gab whether you think so or not. You
[01:07:32] have the ability to tell a story in a
[01:07:34] very entertaining manner in a cadence
[01:07:37] that demands people's attention. It's a,
[01:07:41] you know, when you speak, you have this
[01:07:43] rare ability where people lean in. They
[01:07:47] do.
[01:07:47] >> Okay.
[01:07:48] >> And
[01:07:50] some people, and this is for the people
[01:07:51] out there listening, some people might
[01:07:53] think that's only for the camera because
[01:07:55] it's the only time you get to see Jeremy
[01:07:57] Corbel.
[01:07:57] >> Gotcha.
[01:07:58] >> Uh, but I've seen Jeremy Corbel without
[01:08:00] the camera. And I think everybody who
[01:08:02] has met Jeremy outside of camera
[01:08:05] understands that you're the exact same
[01:08:06] person.
[01:08:06] >> Yeah. This is you off camera, too. Um,
[01:08:10] but it might be mistaken for a lot of
[01:08:12] people to think, "Oh, this guy's being
[01:08:13] insincere. He's playing a part." No,
[01:08:16] that's Jeremy. Jeremy's being who he is
[01:08:18] on and off camera.
[01:08:19] >> I can't be I have not been able to be
[01:08:21] someone other than myself.
[01:08:23] >> I can confirm that since I've known you,
[01:08:25] like that's that's been who you are. And
[01:08:26] it's it's a quirk that I've come to
[01:08:28] appreciate.
[01:08:29] >> It's a quirk.
[01:08:30] >> It is a quirk.
[01:08:31] >> Oh my lord. This is too much
[01:08:32] self-reflection.
[01:08:34] I have to watch your podcast.
[01:08:36] >> Defin you definitely have quirks. But
[01:08:38] you know it's an endearing quality I
[01:08:40] think in my in my eyes. Um but
[01:08:42] regardless there is enough of me glazing
[01:08:45] you here. There's uh there is there is a
[01:08:49] there is a a very endearing quality to
[01:08:54] this documentary regardless of like you
[01:08:56] know we spoke about this before I
[01:08:58] watched it. You're like, you said
[01:09:00] something to the effect of the first
[01:09:02] hour is just so you know who I am kind
[01:09:04] of deal and then the last half hour is
[01:09:07] like that's that's the stuff.
[01:09:09] >> That's what I think. I didn't make the
[01:09:10] movie, but when I had to watch it and
[01:09:13] endure it.
[01:09:14] >> Yeah.
[01:09:15] >> You know,
[01:09:16] I felt like and you should ask Michael.
[01:09:18] [ __ ] Michael is the one that made it.
[01:09:20] But like it felt to me like he was just
[01:09:23] trying to make sure people understood
[01:09:25] that I mean what I say and I say what I
[01:09:27] mean and that I'm worthy of your trust.
[01:09:28] I'm trustworthy.
[01:09:30] And then I realized that towards the end
[01:09:33] he shows you some [ __ ] and I think it's
[01:09:37] important and I think that's why he set
[01:09:38] up the movie like that. You're going to
[01:09:39] have to ask him
[01:09:40] >> because for me I don't have the same
[01:09:42] experience.
[01:09:42] >> Yeah. There's there's there's a few like
[01:09:44] really interesting uh artistic choices
[01:09:47] as well. The lighting, the music like
[01:09:49] >> Okay. So, let's pick one. So, like I
[01:09:50] noticed the hands, right? So, at one
[01:09:53] point,
[01:09:54] >> um I throw my hands up as a young kid
[01:09:56] >> and he cuts immediately to the same
[01:09:58] position and I was like I was like,
[01:09:59] "What did I just see?" And I'm like,
[01:10:01] "Shit, that kid's like putting some
[01:10:02] stuff in there.
[01:10:04] >> A lot of footage to sift through to find
[01:10:06] that,
[01:10:06] >> too. He's a master filmmaker." And
[01:10:09] that's what I realized. He's a I've been
[01:10:11] through a process with him. I I said,
[01:10:13] "Michael, there's no way." He's like,
[01:10:14] "Can I just have the drives?" I'm like,
[01:10:15] "I ain't going to [ __ ] trust you. you
[01:10:17] come into my life, massage, I'm not
[01:10:20] going to trust you. My wife's saw, you
[01:10:21] got to trust somebody. And and she was
[01:10:23] right. Trust is a choice the first time.
[01:10:25] After that, it's it's repeated. So, I
[01:10:27] gave him 20 years of footage. 99.9% I
[01:10:31] never put out. That kid has seen it all.
[01:10:34] >> Except for what I didn't give him.
[01:10:36] >> Sure. What was buried?
[01:10:38] >> Well, I didn't give him stuff, but I
[01:10:41] gave him 99% of it. So, he watched it
[01:10:45] all. So when I told him a story and he's
[01:10:47] like, "No way." He'd come back to me and
[01:10:50] he goes, "Dude, it was cooler than you
[01:10:51] remembered. Check this out." And I was
[01:10:52] like, "What the fuck?" So I gave him 20
[01:10:54] years of my footage, then he stuff
[01:10:57] started happening. And then he's like,
[01:10:58] "Dude, we got to turn on the camera
[01:10:59] fresh." I'm like, I said, "We're not
[01:11:00] doing that." And then he's like, "We got
[01:11:02] to turn on the camera fresh." I'm like,
[01:11:03] "I got to trust you." It was a it was a
[01:11:06] trust exercise. So that kid, I just want
[01:11:07] to not get off him yet. Michael
[01:11:09] Lazowski, right out of AFI, I think is
[01:11:13] the term. like, you know, probably top
[01:11:14] of his class cuz he's an overachiever.
[01:11:16] Um, sincere sweetheart, but a very
[01:11:20] powerful man, family,
[01:11:23] good human, worthy of your trust. I only
[01:11:27] put one, and I'll let him say it. I put
[01:11:29] one restriction on him for the movie.
[01:11:31] And I like leaving things undone so you
[01:11:33] stay curious. And you should ask him
[01:11:35] what the one condition I had was for him
[01:11:38] to make and use my 20 years of footage
[01:11:41] when you talk to him.
[01:11:42] >> Sure.
[01:11:42] >> Okay. Yeah. Um I there was a few there's
[01:11:44] a few choices there as well that
[01:11:48] you know I found really interesting as
[01:11:50] as as someone who knows you. Um one was
[01:11:55] you know he didn't cut around the fact
[01:11:57] you're cracking beers during this movie.
[01:12:01] >> And you know someone in your position
[01:12:04] might be like hey man can you cut a few
[01:12:06] of those out? I feel like I'm drinking a
[01:12:07] lot of beers on camera.
[01:12:09] >> Really?
[01:12:09] >> Yeah maybe. But I think it shows once
[01:12:12] again just who you're building, you're
[01:12:15] taking care of houses, you're cracking a
[01:12:17] beer, you're fixing stuff,
[01:12:20] >> you know, you're you're walking your
[01:12:21] dog.
[01:12:21] >> Fact.
[01:12:22] >> It shows you it shows your mom. Fact.
[01:12:25] >> Your relationship with your mom. Fact.
[01:12:27] >> Um, you know, how close you guys are.
[01:12:28] Clearly that comes across as well and
[01:12:30] how much she cares about you, how much
[01:12:31] you care about her. That's very, very
[01:12:32] apparent.
[01:12:33] >> I love her. I love my whole family.
[01:12:34] >> Yeah. And it's it's very very apparent.
[01:12:36] And so it was it was these small
[01:12:38] glimpses and and and they weren't I
[01:12:43] think what I I think what a relief to me
[01:12:46] watching it was they weren't all
[01:12:48] flattering.
[01:12:49] >> Okay.
[01:12:49] >> And I think I think that that's good.
[01:12:52] >> Okay.
[01:12:52] >> No, I know that to be good because the
[01:12:55] last thing you want is a puff piece,
[01:12:57] >> right?
[01:12:57] >> You know, of you like that's not real.
[01:12:59] >> No, that's not real. Correct. Exactly.
[01:13:01] And this really showed it really showed
[01:13:03] all the parts. So, I was really I was
[01:13:04] kind of really appreciative watching it
[01:13:06] from that lens of being like, "Oh, yeah,
[01:13:07] that's Jeremy."
[01:13:08] >> Now, I got to kill the guy or what? What
[01:13:09] do you want to show? Okay, you got to
[01:13:10] thank him. No,
[01:13:12] >> I'm going to thank him with action.
[01:13:14] >> Um, okay. Let's get into First of all, I
[01:13:17] do want to sidebar go back to that pin
[01:13:18] that I put. Uh, John Leer,
[01:13:21] >> we got a whole map. Which pin?
[01:13:22] >> John Leer playing Bumper Cars in the
[01:13:24] kitchen
[01:13:25] >> was one of the one of the highlights for
[01:13:27] me when, you know, it is sad because you
[01:13:30] see his decline. Uh you were there with
[01:13:34] John Leer through you know his
[01:13:38] unfortunate you know decline.
[01:13:40] >> Well we all decline.
[01:13:41] >> Yeah we do. But it is it takes lucky.
[01:13:44] >> It takes strength to to be there you
[01:13:46] know and you see you're fluffing up the
[01:13:48] pillows for him when he's shirtless on
[01:13:50] the couch and you know all these type of
[01:13:52] moments.
[01:13:53] >> Yeah.
[01:13:54] >> How you know that must have been that
[01:13:57] must have been kind of difficult to to
[01:13:59] witness and and and sit through. Well, I
[01:14:03] loved John Leair. I love John Lair. He
[01:14:07] was a true friend to me in the capacity
[01:14:10] that he could be. He was limited in some
[01:14:13] ways. Um, what really hurt was but but
[01:14:18] what really hurt was that I was his
[01:14:20] least favorite human on planet Earth. At
[01:14:21] least he tried to pretend I was. I
[01:14:23] probably was, but I'm might be a little
[01:14:25] delusional about that. um towards the
[01:14:29] end and it made me really sad because
[01:14:31] even when we were friends, he'd get
[01:14:33] really mad at me and like yell [ __ ] you
[01:14:35] know, and I I couldn't find the voice
[01:14:36] messages for Michael's and one thing I
[01:14:38] couldn't find. Um but he would cuz you
[01:14:42] know, everything in the movie you see is
[01:14:45] actual. That was the first time I drove
[01:14:48] to his [ __ ] house was we put the
[01:14:50] first time in because we said we're
[01:14:51] showing the first time. So that was kind
[01:14:53] of I'm going to give you a hint. was
[01:14:54] kind of the only condition
[01:14:57] is that [ __ ] I guess I'm just going to
[01:15:00] say it and see if Michael agrees, but
[01:15:01] I'm going to tell you. You may not do
[01:15:04] any
[01:15:06] movie magic. You may not put anything in
[01:15:10] there that isn't 100% accurate and true.
[01:15:13] That is down to the voice message of him
[01:15:17] telling me to get Philly Titans because
[01:15:19] now now you're starting to understand me
[01:15:20] for a second here.
[01:15:23] Before I started filming with John, for
[01:15:25] some reason, I was recording almost
[01:15:28] every word that came to me at all times.
[01:15:31] Not a good way to live, bro. But that's
[01:15:33] how I have that message from John. So
[01:15:36] now you're getting a little insight into
[01:15:37] what I had said earlier back here in
[01:15:39] time today is that
[01:15:43] everything in that movie is exactly as I
[01:15:47] as I say it and as you see it. And that
[01:15:49] was the only thing about Michael because
[01:15:51] the thing about me with movies, I've
[01:15:53] always wanted to make one that [ __ ]
[01:15:54] repeat. I want to make one that seems
[01:15:56] real and is real but has a weird
[01:15:58] undertone of the perforation and the
[01:16:00] [ __ ] hummingbirds touching the
[01:16:01] [ __ ] firmament to look like stars.
[01:16:05] But I've never done that cuz I started
[01:16:07] with a movie called Patient 17
[01:16:10] and I was shocked.
[01:16:13] Very shocked. Then then I started then I
[01:16:16] went in on the you know skinwalker movie
[01:16:19] which is perplexing and then Lazar. So
[01:16:22] I've never been able to make that movie
[01:16:23] I want and I'm I think I'm done making
[01:16:25] movies right but Michael's movie because
[01:16:28] it was partially my movie because it was
[01:16:30] my footage. It has to be [ __ ] honest
[01:16:34] brutally everything accurate authentic
[01:16:38] and honest. Did he achieve his goal? Did
[01:16:42] he get it? Did Michael get it? Was he
[01:16:45] honest?
[01:16:46] >> Are you asking me?
[01:16:46] >> Yeah, I'm asking you.
[01:16:47] >> Well, I don't know,
[01:16:48] >> right?
[01:16:49] >> That's for you to know.
[01:16:50] >> Well, I know.
[01:16:51] >> It seemed honest,
[01:16:52] >> but maybe you'll find out.
[01:16:53] >> Yeah. No, absolutely. There there is a I
[01:16:56] remember one part that I really liked,
[01:16:58] too, was this character that John Lear
[01:17:01] had been chatting with, the the the guy
[01:17:03] who told him about the afterlife. I
[01:17:05] forget. Uh the Mr. Mr. Sleeper. That's
[01:17:07] right.
[01:17:08] >> Was it Mr. Sleeper or just Sleeper or
[01:17:10] whatever it was?
[01:17:11] >> I like that. You
[01:17:12] >> Yeah. I don't know. He's a sweetheart,
[01:17:14] by the way. He is an absolute
[01:17:16] sweetheart.
[01:17:16] >> Sure.
[01:17:17] >> I feel kind of bad. That's the one part
[01:17:19] of the movie I feel kind of bad about
[01:17:21] >> because what what Michael didn't say in
[01:17:23] the movie, he told what I felt.
[01:17:25] >> He told that I thought
[01:17:27] >> that it was a lie. A knowing I think a
[01:17:30] knowing lie.
[01:17:31] >> Yeah.
[01:17:32] >> But sometimes like husbands and wives,
[01:17:34] they say these little pretty lies to
[01:17:36] make the other and the other one knows
[01:17:37] that they're lying. So Lear is dying.
[01:17:40] >> Yeah. and Lear knows he's going to die
[01:17:42] >> and he's telling him you're going to go
[01:17:43] to heaven.
[01:17:43] >> Gave him a ticket, bro. He gave him a
[01:17:45] ticket. So, I felt like that was a
[01:17:47] knowing lie. I hope that's how the movie
[01:17:50] portrays it because what happens is in
[01:17:54] reality too, Sleeper is a really the
[01:17:58] limited exposure I have to very amazing,
[01:18:01] authentic, sweet human. And he's not a
[01:18:04] liar. He's not a liar. So when that
[01:18:07] thing came up in that movie, it made me
[01:18:09] kind of squirm, but I'm I'm kind of
[01:18:11] going like, well, that's true, too. So,
[01:18:13] I just wanted to caveat that. Well, your
[01:18:16] audience is going to see it. So, I got
[01:18:17] to caveat that, which is that
[01:18:20] >> when I that really ungrounded me
[01:18:24] and in comes the anchor
[01:18:26] >> like the news anchor who's an anchor
[01:18:28] >> and a totem pole. Yeah.
[01:18:30] >> George [ __ ] that name. Um, I
[01:18:33] was just going to say there's a moment
[01:18:34] where that guy where you set up the
[01:18:37] camera and you have him walk into the
[01:18:39] hotel and sit down and then he
[01:18:41] immediately he goes, "How was that? Was
[01:18:44] that good?" You're like, "Yeah, that was
[01:18:45] great. It seemed really natural." And
[01:18:46] that stayed in. And it's those moments
[01:18:49] that I really liked about this
[01:18:50] documentary.
[01:18:50] >> What I do that too is like um I make
[01:18:52] sure like I give somebody what they're
[01:18:54] looking for. So I don't think that says
[01:18:56] a lot about him being uncomfortable. I
[01:18:59] think it sounds more that you want to
[01:19:01] make sure I got
[01:19:01] >> Yeah, of course. I just like that the
[01:19:05] the artistic choice
[01:19:07] >> of leaving that in versus starting on
[01:19:10] the talking head.
[01:19:11] >> Understood. Sorry.
[01:19:12] >> Cuz you start on the talking head.
[01:19:13] That's what everybody does. And he had
[01:19:15] him walk in, sit down, and be like, "Did
[01:19:18] you get it?" "Yeah, we got it." And then
[01:19:20] nothing.
[01:19:20] >> That's what we're talking about.
[01:19:21] >> And and then we cut out his entire
[01:19:23] interview. All we took was the authentic
[01:19:26] walk-in, the sit down, the trying to act
[01:19:28] normal, and that's it. And I I thought
[01:19:30] that was really uh endearing. And so, it
[01:19:32] was those little moments that I really
[01:19:34] enjoyed.
[01:19:34] >> Michael,
[01:19:35] >> yeah,
[01:19:35] >> he's he's great.
[01:19:36] >> Yeah, it's a great choice. It was a It
[01:19:38] was a refreshing take on on, you know,
[01:19:40] you you watch UFO documentaries, you
[01:19:42] think you know what you're going to get,
[01:19:43] and it's not at all what I thought. And
[01:19:45] I liked I liked the surprise. Um
[01:19:49] there, you know, there's all this going
[01:19:52] on. There's the Edgar Mitchell stuff
[01:19:54] which I thought was really interesting.
[01:19:56] Um, you know, you kind of see that back
[01:19:58] and forth banter slightly between Edgar
[01:20:00] Mitchell and John Leer and you know the
[01:20:03] mutual respect which he talks about but
[01:20:05] also this sort of like disagreement on
[01:20:07] the moon landing for obvious reasons.
[01:20:10] Um, which which interesting uh you have
[01:20:13] um you know um what's his face? Colonel
[01:20:15] John Alexander
[01:20:17] >> and with Lear eating and Lear's eating
[01:20:19] wearing a tinfoil hat at the atomic
[01:20:21] testing museum and in the back
[01:20:22] >> Oh, yes. It's it's it's Lear and and
[01:20:24] Alexander, not Lear and Mitchell. That's
[01:20:26] right. Yes.
[01:20:26] >> And and we get Yeah. It's it's Lear and
[01:20:28] Colonel John B. Alexander and Lear's
[01:20:30] there as a agent provocator with a top
[01:20:33] hat that's a fedora.
[01:20:35] >> It's a top hat that is a tin foil hat at
[01:20:38] the atomic test museum. And somebody
[01:20:39] says something like, "Is there food
[01:20:40] here?" He's eating because that that's
[01:20:42] the truth. That's what was going on. And
[01:20:44] then if you look really closely, tell me
[01:20:46] if I'm wrong world, but I think I
[01:20:48] believe there's just one glimpse and
[01:20:50] also because I just haven't watched the
[01:20:51] movie bunch, but I believe Nick Pope is
[01:20:54] sitting far away at a table sitting
[01:20:57] there. And I believe I believe that
[01:21:00] maybe his first or one of his first that
[01:21:02] was my first encounter of ever seeing or
[01:21:03] meeting him if it was that time.
[01:21:06] >> And man, he was in this bathroom before
[01:21:08] and he was so nervous and it and I had
[01:21:11] never met him. So, I'd seen him before
[01:21:12] obviously, so he had must have been out
[01:21:13] there, but he was so nervous. And I look
[01:21:15] at him and I go, "Bro, are you nervous?"
[01:21:18] I [ __ ] Words just come out my mouth.
[01:21:20] What a cool moment. And you said, "John,
[01:21:23] you said um Edgar Mitchell, time
[01:21:25] dilation." I don't know what you saw in
[01:21:27] that movie. But what you didn't see was
[01:21:31] Oh, I don't know. Um the hour and a half
[01:21:34] phone call where he made me sit in a
[01:21:35] room with his psychic on the telephone.
[01:21:40] >> Edgar Mitchell's psychic. Yeah, Edgar
[01:21:42] Mitchell had a psychic and he talked to
[01:21:44] her weekly and there's an hour and a
[01:21:46] half what he knew was being recorded as
[01:21:48] an hour and a half of me sitting there
[01:21:49] and the psychic who felt like a
[01:21:51] charlatan to me was trying to convince
[01:21:53] him I was the reincarnation of his son
[01:21:55] who had passed away.
[01:21:56] >> Oh my god,
[01:21:57] >> bro. It's on tape. Play the tape back.
[01:21:59] Moonwalk Z to A. I'm just saying there's
[01:22:01] a compression and I'm sorry I keep
[01:22:02] cutting you off. I'm just really pumped
[01:22:04] up on this coffee you gave. Is this
[01:22:05] atomic?
[01:22:07] Yeah. Yeah. It's uh
[01:22:10] what's the uh what's the old paint they
[01:22:11] used to use?
[01:22:13] >> Iridium.
[01:22:14] >> Yeah.
[01:22:16] Um yeah, that's interesting. I mean,
[01:22:19] there's a lot of those little moments
[01:22:20] that are kind of cool because you see
[01:22:22] glimpses. People don't really realize
[01:22:24] how involved you were with documenting
[01:22:29] UFO personalities. Um you you know you
[01:22:31] get to see a lot of colorful
[01:22:32] personalities come in and out of uh John
[01:22:35] Lear's home uh you know which is really
[01:22:38] you know kind of sheds some light on you
[01:22:41] know the the figures in this community
[01:22:43] but also
[01:22:45] you see a small glimpse of your
[01:22:48] interview with Oscar Wolf.
[01:22:50] >> Oh yeah. You see a little handshake
[01:22:52] there.
[01:22:52] >> A little handshake. Most people don't
[01:22:53] know that you filmed that,
[01:22:54] >> right?
[01:22:55] >> Because I think if I'm not mistaken,
[01:22:56] that was uh Richard Dolan's uh Richard
[01:22:59] Dolan was on camera with
[01:23:00] >> Osar to do it because he was and is a
[01:23:04] thoughtful authority figure. And nobody
[01:23:06] knew my face. And so we we were like,
[01:23:08] damn, what do we do? We need somebody
[01:23:10] who knows [ __ ] who can ask smart
[01:23:12] questions cuz I'm I didn't know what to
[01:23:15] ask the guy. What a great opportunity.
[01:23:17] Yeah.
[01:23:17] >> And it was Ruben Langden who set that
[01:23:19] all up. And Ruben Langden did the
[01:23:21] citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013.
[01:23:23] He is the the force behind it. He is the
[01:23:26] producer. The citizen hearing a lot of
[01:23:28] people, you know, point credit to a
[01:23:30] bunch of people for it. No, it was Ruben
[01:23:33] [ __ ] Langden. Ruben Langden literally
[01:23:36] went bankrupt because of
[01:23:38] misappropriation of funds and everything
[01:23:39] that was going on. Came to me like a
[01:23:41] life raft. Said, "Dude, I need help. I
[01:23:44] need a brother. Like we are in a bad
[01:23:45] situation. I am losing everything." And
[01:23:48] I said, "As long as your past
[01:23:50] interactions don't harm me in any way, I
[01:23:53] will [ __ ] I got you, bro. But you we
[01:23:56] need to literally sign a document that
[01:23:58] says none of this [ __ ] will spill
[01:24:00] over to me." And you know, I have my
[01:24:03] businesses, my life, my livelihoods, all
[01:24:05] this stuff. I'm not UFO land can wait.
[01:24:08] Ruben Langden is the unsung hero of the
[01:24:10] citizen hearing and Oscar Wolf.
[01:24:14] So, he is a guy with a story and people
[01:24:17] will see that interview online, right?
[01:24:19] And it is Richard Dolan because he's a
[01:24:21] badass gangster, knows what he's talking
[01:24:23] about and is also heartfelt that does
[01:24:26] the interview.
[01:24:27] >> Yeah. And for those who don't know about
[01:24:31] this interview, you should definitely go
[01:24:32] check it out. But this is the one that
[01:24:34] Danny Sheihin refers to as well about
[01:24:37] this gentleman being on his deathbed.
[01:24:39] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:24:40] >> And, you know, saying that he was at S4.
[01:24:43] He spoke he saw an alien. He saw what he
[01:24:46] perceived to be some type of
[01:24:48] extraterrestrial on the other side of a
[01:24:50] glass.
[01:24:50] >> Yeah.
[01:24:51] >> And um and you know had had Q cards with
[01:24:54] questions on him and whatnot like this
[01:24:55] whole he went underground at S4. There
[01:24:58] was floating UFOs.
[01:24:59] >> Not at S4 or I don't I don't recall my
[01:25:01] memory. Okay. I don't recall. But let me
[01:25:02] tell you something people don't know.
[01:25:03] It's the more important part. This has
[01:25:05] never been said that I know of. Um, I
[01:25:08] maybe I've said it before, but um, what
[01:25:10] people don't know, if they don't know, I
[01:25:11] I filmed that. What they also don't know
[01:25:15] is that he was like on dialysis
[01:25:19] or something like that for his kidneys.
[01:25:20] That's what was killing him, that he
[01:25:22] didn't have very long to live. We're
[01:25:24] talking weeks or something. It was told
[01:25:27] to us like, "This is the last chance."
[01:25:29] And it was like a family member of his
[01:25:31] who kind of made it work. His wife
[01:25:36] violently did not want him to do this
[01:25:39] interview because of her religion.
[01:25:43] And what happened was this guy gets up
[01:25:45] out of his diialysis, I think it was
[01:25:47] diialysis, out of this thing where he
[01:25:49] needs a machine. We get him in the room.
[01:25:52] He does this interview and goes right
[01:25:54] back to the hospital type situation he
[01:25:57] was in. So think about this. this guy is
[01:26:00] going to gain nothing,
[01:26:03] you know, unless he's a plant trying to
[01:26:05] confuse it and they're like, "We're
[01:26:06] going to hurt your family after you die
[01:26:08] if you don't do it." That's always an
[01:26:09] option, okay? But I believe from knowing
[01:26:11] the guy for this much time and being in
[01:26:14] that room that he told it like he
[01:26:16] experienced it and knew it and that even
[01:26:19] being an older guy with health problems,
[01:26:22] he was sharp as a dagger. And I can
[01:26:24] attest to that. I tested him. He's sharp
[01:26:27] as a dagger. And he went against the
[01:26:30] wishes of his most beloved for the
[01:26:34] fundamental reason of religion. She was
[01:26:37] against it, her religious views. And he
[01:26:40] is there and he does the interview.
[01:26:43] That's his mic drop.
[01:26:46] Then he dies. That is one deathbed
[01:26:49] confession that saw the light of day.
[01:26:51] Now, I've been in many of those exact
[01:26:54] experiences. And some people are not
[01:26:57] dead and other people are dead. And yet
[01:27:03] it is not appropriate.
[01:27:05] Nor did they ask me to put stuff out.
[01:27:08] That shit's buried. And and here's why.
[01:27:10] Let me just defend myself cuz people
[01:27:11] going to be mad right now. If that's if
[01:27:13] what I'm saying is true, which it is,
[01:27:15] people be mad.
[01:27:18] What people might not yet understand
[01:27:21] until the words are spoken, and
[01:27:23] hopefully they do, is that when somebody
[01:27:26] tells you a secret and tells you to keep
[01:27:29] it secret, unless you can't anymore,
[01:27:33] then you do just that. You you keep it
[01:27:35] secret, tell you c a n t can't. Okay?
[01:27:39] Because it's not just the person
[01:27:41] talking. And to be sorry, I'm going to
[01:27:43] bring it out of Dr. Seuss world right
[01:27:45] now. I'm be very direct with you.
[01:27:54] If people have access to the closest
[01:27:57] guarded secret in human history that has
[01:28:01] been held back from the American and
[01:28:03] global public
[01:28:05] since they could hold it back. UFOs,
[01:28:10] what they represent, what they're a part
[01:28:12] of. If somebody has close proximity to
[01:28:15] that, A, you'll never know their name
[01:28:18] publicly.
[01:28:20] Good try. Never.
[01:28:22] B, they will be quiet. They will not be
[01:28:26] the ones you expect. And there's a
[01:28:28] reason they're put in that position
[01:28:30] because they are worthy of your trust.
[01:28:32] They are trustworthy.
[01:28:34] And usually, if it's military,
[01:28:36] they were born into that position
[01:28:39] because their fathers were trusted with
[01:28:41] this secret. And sometimes their
[01:28:43] father's fathers were trusted with a
[01:28:45] secret. Now here's the rub.
[01:28:48] That person dies.
[01:28:51] You know they procreate and you know
[01:28:54] that their kin are also in a position of
[01:28:57] trust. So you release this
[01:29:02] and I get chills,
[01:29:03] >> right?
[01:29:03] >> Do you understand?
[01:29:04] >> Mhm.
[01:29:05] >> Does your audience understand?
[01:29:06] >> I'm sure they do. So sometimes to tell
[01:29:08] secrets you need to keep certain ones,
[01:29:12] >> right?
[01:29:15] >> Yeah, that's interesting. The the the
[01:29:17] nepo situation in the legacy program.
[01:29:19] >> What does that word mean? Nepo
[01:29:21] >> ne Yeah, nepotism.
[01:29:21] >> What does nepotism mean?
[01:29:23] >> Nepotism is getting something um
[01:29:26] basically based on a relationship.
[01:29:30] So you're getting ahead in life.
[01:29:32] >> Yeah. But sometimes people are highly
[01:29:33] qualified to receive that.
[01:29:35] >> Of course. Of course. But but for the
[01:29:37] most part, you know,
[01:29:37] >> sometimes better than their dads at
[01:29:38] acting.
[01:29:39] >> Yeah, sometimes. But sometimes, you
[01:29:41] know, it's it's it's
[01:29:42] >> it doesn't hurt.
[01:29:43] >> It's a bit of a derogatory term that
[01:29:44] people use.
[01:29:45] >> That's what I feel. And I don't think
[01:29:46] that's fair.
[01:29:47] >> It not always,
[01:29:48] >> but sometimes it is.
[01:29:49] >> I think so.
[01:29:50] >> Okay. You have to live in someone's
[01:29:52] shadow is what I say. We say
[01:29:53] terrestrially. Sometimes they're big
[01:29:55] shoes to fill. We say terrestrially,
[01:29:57] right? Yeah, sure.
[01:29:58] >> But sometimes people that are doing
[01:29:59] that, they're just all they're seeing is
[01:30:01] their own big ass shadow thinking it was
[01:30:03] their daddy's. And that's the thing I've
[01:30:05] noticed. I got a musician friend and his
[01:30:07] dad's got a gigantic [ __ ] shadow,
[01:30:09] bro. And so this musician guy, you know,
[01:30:12] was kind of thought he was living in his
[01:30:14] his father's shadow, but indeed he's now
[01:30:17] realized, thank God, that it was his own
[01:30:19] big ass shadow. And so now you're going
[01:30:21] to hear his voice again.
[01:30:22] >> Yeah. Nice. Um
[01:30:26] Okay.
[01:30:26] >> Like, let's go back to UFOs.
[01:30:27] >> Well, I want to go back to UFOs.
[01:30:28] Certainly want to go back to UFOs. Um
[01:30:31] >> am I derailing you?
[01:30:32] >> No.
[01:30:33] >> Okay.
[01:30:33] >> No, I like this. I like the train.
[01:30:35] >> Yeah. I like dynamic conversations and
[01:30:38] some people
[01:30:38] >> But we're not being sporadic, right?
[01:30:40] >> I don't know. Who cares?
[01:30:41] >> Okay. But I just I hope that, you know,
[01:30:43] we can have a logical straightforward
[01:30:44] conversation.
[01:30:45] >> We can have any type of conversation we
[01:30:46] want. Don't worry about it. Whatever
[01:30:48] conversation I to to to be quite frank,
[01:30:53] >> in the words of um Rick Rubin, the
[01:30:56] audience comes last, right?
[01:30:58] >> Did he say that?
[01:30:59] >> Yeah.
[01:30:59] >> What a genius.
[01:31:00] >> Because you know, you got to think about
[01:31:02] the task at hand. You got to think about
[01:31:04] what you're doing, what you're
[01:31:06] passionate about, all that stuff. After
[01:31:08] you do that,
[01:31:09] >> right,
[01:31:09] >> if you do that, the audience will love
[01:31:12] it hopefully.
[01:31:13] >> Uh, but even if they don't, it it has to
[01:31:15] mean something to you for you to do it.
[01:31:17] >> Rubik's cube, bro.
[01:31:18] >> Yeah, he's he's uh he's got some good
[01:31:20] thoughts. Um,
[01:31:22] >> so, okay. And love the audience, by the
[01:31:26] way. It's
[01:31:26] >> Yeah, don't be a dick. Be a dick.
[01:31:28] >> Not trying to be a dick to the audience.
[01:31:30] >> I think they paid for this set, bro.
[01:31:31] Unless it was some billionaire. You're
[01:31:33] not telling us, Ramsay.
[01:31:34] >> No, definitely not.
[01:31:35] >> I know.
[01:31:36] >> Um,
[01:31:37] >> you mean you self-made or
[01:31:38] >> you mean Daddy Teal? No.
[01:31:39] >> Daddy Teal? No. Hold on. Let me ask you
[01:31:41] something.
[01:31:42] >> So, your brain that I'm seeing outside
[01:31:45] of the closed skiff here,
[01:31:47] >> your brain that I have been
[01:31:50] >> uh beholding for more
[01:31:52] >> than 20 or almost 24 hours. Okay.
[01:31:55] >> Like you created this
[01:31:59] you you weren't like you through Neo.
[01:32:01] You're not a neo baby.
[01:32:02] >> Neo a nepo baby.
[01:32:03] >> You're a nepo baby. No,
[01:32:05] >> might be a neo baby, but not a neo baby.
[01:32:07] So all of this is your brain and and
[01:32:09] you're going to say and the the team of
[01:32:11] people I work with and
[01:32:13] >> yeah, most of mine. I'll say most of
[01:32:15] mine.
[01:32:15] >> It's impressive to see what you've
[01:32:16] created. Don't [ __ ] stop.
[01:32:19] >> Thank you. And I won't as long as uh my
[01:32:21] creative passion keeps getting
[01:32:23] fulfilled.
[01:32:23] >> Okay.
[01:32:24] >> And my my love for being creative is is
[01:32:26] renewed, then I will continue being uh
[01:32:29] creative and passionate. But as soon as
[01:32:31] uh soon as that ends, you got to you got
[01:32:32] to change gears.
[01:32:34] >> Change gears.
[01:32:34] >> Yeah. Like I did, you know, going from
[01:32:37] magic to puzzles to this.
[01:32:38] >> But you never left that gear behind. So
[01:32:40] I've left some gears behind.
[01:32:42] >> It might seem that way
[01:32:43] >> for you
[01:32:44] >> to people.
[01:32:45] >> No. No. I I know I know you've never
[01:32:47] >> No. To me, it's it's the same
[01:32:48] trajectory.
[01:32:49] >> Exactly. So these are all manifestations
[01:32:51] of a singular thing that all those
[01:32:53] things were born from. But here you are
[01:32:55] in this skiff now. I love it, dude.
[01:32:57] >> But enough about me. This is this is the
[01:33:00] pro interviewer who who turning it on me
[01:33:02] here.
[01:33:03] >> I thought you said we're just talking.
[01:33:04] >> We are just talking. Um but I do have a
[01:33:06] lot of questions about this movie. Um
[01:33:07] I'll
[01:33:07] >> let you get to him.
[01:33:09] >> One point I mean which you know there's
[01:33:12] a lot of footage of Bob Lazar in this
[01:33:14] movie as well that I've never seen which
[01:33:15] was really interesting.
[01:33:17] >> And
[01:33:19] you know there's that moment where
[01:33:20] you're in the woods with Bob.
[01:33:22] >> Mhm. And Bob go and you ask him flat
[01:33:25] out, you know, did you have a piece of
[01:33:28] 115?
[01:33:29] >> Yeah.
[01:33:29] >> And Bob says, I did.
[01:33:33] >> Tell me about that day.
[01:33:35] >> Oh [ __ ] Okay. Well, first of all, Bob
[01:33:38] said that a bunch already. That that's
[01:33:41] nothing new. And I think that's, you
[01:33:42] know, funny if people think so. Um Bob's
[01:33:44] told you it's it's all over everywhere.
[01:33:48] At one point, if you believe Bob Lazar,
[01:33:50] he had a piece. And how we know that is
[01:33:53] George Knap is a witness to that in that
[01:33:56] the the container that the 115 was held
[01:33:59] in um was on the mantle of one of the
[01:34:03] interviews that George Knap did as like
[01:34:05] an Easter egg. It was next to some
[01:34:07] aerogel. And there's no secret that Bob
[01:34:10] had a piece of 115 at one point, right?
[01:34:13] Um he even at one point um I think
[01:34:17] George has told this story but at one
[01:34:20] point uh they did analysis a cloud
[01:34:22] chamber test just to see if Bob Bob was
[01:34:25] curious. He's like can I get a reaction
[01:34:27] in a cloud chamber test to see if it it
[01:34:30] actually does bend a laser. It does bend
[01:34:33] light. I mean this is straight out of
[01:34:34] that movie with like Val Kilmore um
[01:34:36] Genius. Real Genius. Do you remember
[01:34:38] that '8s movie?
[01:34:39] >> No, I don't.
[01:34:39] >> You're welcome.
[01:34:40] >> So You're Welcome. Real Genius the
[01:34:43] movie. So this is straight out of that.
[01:34:44] So Lazar does a test, right? Um it is no
[01:34:48] secret that at one time Bazar had
[01:34:53] obtained
[01:34:54] a piece of 115.
[01:34:57] So yeah, in in the movie where I fast
[01:35:00] forwarded, there's a lot that the world
[01:35:01] will never hear, I don't think, unless
[01:35:03] Bob says it. But like there's no secret
[01:35:06] in that. So you asked me about that day
[01:35:07] though, and that's a can. So let's just
[01:35:10] open it. Okay.
[01:35:15] So, I'd been filming with Bob a bunch,
[01:35:19] but that wasn't easy. We're not going to
[01:35:21] get into that.
[01:35:23] One day, he says, "Are you coming out or
[01:35:25] not?" essentially. And I was like,
[01:35:28] "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll come out to
[01:35:29] Michigan. Let's do that." But I didn't
[01:35:31] want to ask and then get denied. So, I
[01:35:34] really carefully just took my one camera
[01:35:36] and I put it underneath all of my
[01:35:37] clothes and I [ __ ] went out there and
[01:35:39] it's like this really awkward thing and
[01:35:41] I'm there. It's late at night and
[01:35:42] there's Joy and the pups and we're there
[01:35:44] and I'm in the living room. I remember
[01:35:45] this and then finally I just said, "Bob,
[01:35:49] like why why am I here?"
[01:35:52] And he goes, "What do you mean?" And I'm
[01:35:55] like, "Are you going to let me now turn
[01:35:58] on the camera so that the world can hear
[01:36:00] from you and not the [ __ ] about you
[01:36:01] from other people?" He goes, of course
[01:36:04] that's why we're here. And it was this
[01:36:05] weird thing where I had become friends
[01:36:07] with him, but I I didn't want to
[01:36:09] disrespect that moment. I I wasn't sure
[01:36:12] why. It's obvious, I guess, now. So, I
[01:36:14] had my camera, my one or two cameras,
[01:36:17] and we filmed on that particular trip
[01:36:20] you're asking about was like a
[01:36:22] breakthrough. It was like he was ready
[01:36:23] to throw down for himself. And you have
[01:36:27] to rewind the tape, bro. I mean, he had
[01:36:29] never talked like he did in that room
[01:36:32] with me and John Lear. He had never
[01:36:34] asserted himself in that way on camera.
[01:36:38] I know there are vehicles not made on
[01:36:40] Earth. I know they are made from a
[01:36:43] material we cannot duplicate. We cannot
[01:36:44] replicate and we never have been able
[01:36:46] to. Now, he goes, I was inside one. Now,
[01:36:50] I was inside one blah blah blah blah
[01:36:52] blah. That had never existed on camera.
[01:36:58] I'm not sure it existed in him yet.
[01:37:01] >> That the assertiveness, that [ __ ]
[01:37:03] pissed-offness. Anybody that knows Bob
[01:37:05] knows that he is a [ __ ] fighter. He
[01:37:07] is a really strong human, stronger than
[01:37:09] people know. But because he's Bob, which
[01:37:13] only means someone to someone that knows
[01:37:15] him cuz he's Bob,
[01:37:17] he doesn't feel the need. He doesn't
[01:37:19] feel the need to prove [ __ ] to you.
[01:37:22] >> No, he really doesn't care.
[01:37:22] >> No, he doesn't care. But you only know
[01:37:24] that cuz you know him.
[01:37:26] >> So now there I am
[01:37:29] and we're we're [ __ ] doing it. Which,
[01:37:31] you know, which means like Fourth of
[01:37:32] July, we take my [ __ ] cool ass drone
[01:37:34] that I brought and we try to explode it,
[01:37:36] you know, with like [ __ ] fireworks.
[01:37:38] But then
[01:37:40] we walk into the woods and you know
[01:37:45] woods meaning like on his property there
[01:37:48] and this was the day before I left which
[01:37:52] is important. We'll get back we'll get
[01:37:54] back to that. First whole day I filmed
[01:37:56] with him by the way. Um my car just uh
[01:37:59] took a [ __ ] that night and it's never to
[01:38:03] be retrieved again. I tried for 6
[01:38:04] months. So you know that's kind of funny
[01:38:06] right? first entire day course at his
[01:38:08] labs. Yeah.
[01:38:09] >> Yeah. Took a [ __ ] never get it back.
[01:38:11] And when I say took a [ __ ] I'll tell
[01:38:12] the truth. I think I [ __ ] hit delete.
[01:38:14] I was so nervous that night and just
[01:38:16] Yeah. Yeah. I deleted it. So there you
[01:38:17] go. Truth's out.
[01:38:19] >> Nobody asked. So I never had
[01:38:20] >> Was that really you or was that
[01:38:22] something acting through you?
[01:38:24] >> You know, bro, it worked out perfect.
[01:38:25] >> It did work out.
[01:38:26] >> Yeah. So, we're in the woods
[01:38:29] and just real talk, you know, um got a
[01:38:33] camera, you know, put the phones way way
[01:38:35] way far away. We talked about a lot of
[01:38:38] stuff and that's for Bob to talk about,
[01:38:40] not for me to talk about, but it was
[01:38:42] like an insurance policy, you know, I I
[01:38:44] believe you you have to ask him if he
[01:38:46] wants to even talk about it. So, there's
[01:38:48] nothing that you see in my movie Bazar
[01:38:51] Area 51 saucers. you see this sped up if
[01:38:55] I recall like I don't think I've watched
[01:38:56] the movie since I put it out
[01:38:58] >> but that clip and others I've I've put
[01:39:01] out that were kind of hit the cutting
[01:39:02] room floor as they used to say right but
[01:39:04] Bob acknowledging he had 115 he's done
[01:39:06] acknowledge that a thousand [ __ ]
[01:39:08] times other people have been other
[01:39:09] people were there they've all talked
[01:39:10] about it that's not news bro
[01:39:13] >> but what people should understand is
[01:39:16] what happened next because it's real and
[01:39:18] it happened and if you don't understand
[01:39:20] that you're not seeing reality. What
[01:39:23] happened next is I filmed for another
[01:39:26] day and we're at his um store call like
[01:39:31] it is a laboratory and a store. It was
[01:39:34] in Michigan
[01:39:35] and I pack up the camera, say goodbye,
[01:39:39] get on the plane, get home, I arrive at
[01:39:42] Burbank Airport. It's late, really late.
[01:39:45] So, I go stay at my mom's place in Enino
[01:39:49] and all of a sudden my phone starts
[01:39:51] going bang bang bang bang bang bang bang
[01:39:53] bang like that just like crazy text. I
[01:39:56] [ __ ] told you, Jeremy. It was Gene
[01:39:57] Huff. I told you this would happen. I
[01:39:59] told you this would happen. And like
[01:40:01] George Knapp being like [ __ ] I
[01:40:03] told you this would happen,
[01:40:04] [ __ ] Cuz they're protective of
[01:40:06] Bob. And then there's this guy saying
[01:40:07] like, talk loudly.
[01:40:10] Talk loudly.
[01:40:12] >> Mhm.
[01:40:13] >> Bam. get some photos. Photos are of an
[01:40:17] FBI raid.
[01:40:19] I'm in the bathroom. Like all that stuff
[01:40:21] that's real. I didn't make that up for
[01:40:22] my movie. And everybody said that.
[01:40:25] Everybody said I staged an FBI raid for
[01:40:28] my movie. Then they found out it was a
[01:40:30] real FBI raid. It was a multi- agency
[01:40:33] raid.
[01:40:36] Then they said, well, they weren't
[01:40:38] looking for 115. Totally unrelated.
[01:40:40] Nothing to see here. Move on. Okay.
[01:40:44] Except I know that factually to be
[01:40:48] true
[01:40:49] that that was what they were looking
[01:40:52] for.
[01:40:53] >> How?
[01:40:54] >> You're going to have to ask Bob and then
[01:40:57] if he wants to tell you, he'll tell you.
[01:40:58] >> Okay.
[01:40:59] >> But um essentially
[01:41:05] covert
[01:41:06] >> cuz that was the second time they raided
[01:41:07] Bob's house
[01:41:08] >> at least.
[01:41:09] >> At least right in New Mexico. They rated
[01:41:11] they rated him and the the the the
[01:41:13] reason that they gave was like um
[01:41:15] shipping
[01:41:16] >> of of hazardous materials. However, has
[01:41:19] Bob ever told you or Joy ever told you
[01:41:21] that the reason they were able to do
[01:41:23] that was because they were being doers
[01:41:25] and said, "Well, we got this company and
[01:41:26] we're shipping all of these things and
[01:41:28] we might as well file the paperwork
[01:41:29] because I think there's a new law
[01:41:30] coming." They were ahead of the curve.
[01:41:32] Yeah.
[01:41:32] >> And that exposed them to the opportunity
[01:41:35] to raid them under that you say, is it
[01:41:38] the word?
[01:41:39] >> Okay. So then now, so I'll put it this I
[01:41:42] am convinced that it was for element
[01:41:45] 115. It's not a retraction, it's a
[01:41:47] refinement. I am convinced and there's
[01:41:49] reason for me to be convinced. Now just
[01:41:52] talk to Bob about it. See what he wants
[01:41:53] to say. But I'll tell you this, they
[01:41:57] gritted off every 3 ft of his space.
[01:42:02] They were really going through stuff,
[01:42:05] put it that way.
[01:42:06] They even mirrored his computer
[01:42:09] which was very interesting to me and
[01:42:11] Bob.
[01:42:14] I'll leave it there. So now they mirror
[01:42:17] his computer.
[01:42:20] Still people are saying I don't want to
[01:42:22] believe. I don't want to believe is what
[01:42:23] they're really saying. They're saying he
[01:42:25] got raided because some chick died
[01:42:27] because of some material and this guy
[01:42:28] was a client. He might have the client
[01:42:29] list. If you talk to anybody in the FBI,
[01:42:31] which I called a bunch of friends in the
[01:42:33] FBI, and I asked them, "Is this usual?"
[01:42:37] Nope. Is this normal? Nope. Is this
[01:42:40] protocol? Nope. You just what you do is
[01:42:42] you walk in and you say, "Hey, Mr.
[01:42:44] Lazar, there was somebody that died from
[01:42:46] a super heavy element or not you sorry
[01:42:48] died from a a rare element that is toxic
[01:42:51] and we see that you know you on your
[01:42:53] site you sell this but by the way it's
[01:42:55] this tiny little sliver that couldn't
[01:42:56] hurt a fly like in these little
[01:42:58] collector's packs right that you can buy
[01:43:00] anywhere so you call them and you say
[01:43:03] can I have the list of your clients and
[01:43:05] what exactly what they ordered that are
[01:43:07] associated with this federal case and
[01:43:09] then Lazar goes of course of course you
[01:43:11] can right that's not what happened. They
[01:43:14] [ __ ] locked his [ __ ] down with in a
[01:43:16] tiny ass town way smaller than your snow
[01:43:19] globe. Way smaller. And they locked that
[01:43:21] [ __ ] down and they [ __ ] tore it
[01:43:23] apart. They went through everything,
[01:43:25] mirrored his computer. It's like beyond
[01:43:27] overreaction. It was a It was a message.
[01:43:30] >> Mhm.
[01:43:31] >> It was a message to him because they
[01:43:32] knew for [ __ ] sure that like if he ever
[01:43:35] did have possession, he would never have
[01:43:39] it in Michigan. And you know what I
[01:43:40] mean? So So there you are. else. People
[01:43:42] still didn't believe,
[01:43:44] but there was what they call an
[01:43:48] assisting um report of local where
[01:43:52] they're assisting federal. And if you
[01:43:54] look at that report, what you're going
[01:43:56] to find out was the day before and the
[01:44:00] day of both his home and his business
[01:44:04] had the opportunity
[01:44:06] to be surveiled.
[01:44:09] Hm. Something happened that day in those
[01:44:13] words that didn't make sense until you
[01:44:16] play the tape back, you know, like in
[01:44:18] your mind. So, so my point is that day
[01:44:21] you asked, I just described to you that
[01:44:25] day. That's what it was. It was a a
[01:44:27] realization moment for all of us, for
[01:44:30] me, for George Knap, for Bob. Because
[01:44:32] the hilarious thing that you don't see
[01:44:34] is um later in the woods in that
[01:44:37] footage, I don't think you ever see
[01:44:39] this. Um he go I go, "Bob, are you like
[01:44:43] worried at all for your like personal
[01:44:45] safety?" And and maybe I'll find this
[01:44:47] clip now and I could put this out if Bob
[01:44:49] says, "Okay." But basically, you know,
[01:44:51] he says, "No, I just my life has been
[01:44:54] great. It's been smooth sailing. I love
[01:44:57] my life. I don't want any disruption. I
[01:44:59] just want peace." Um, I think they've
[01:45:01] forgotten about me, which is good
[01:45:03] because I'm not doing [ __ ] I don't want
[01:45:05] to be involved. That was like that
[01:45:07] sentiment was recorded. Yeah.
[01:45:09] >> At the very end of that in the forest.
[01:45:10] I've never put that out. Holy [ __ ] was
[01:45:13] he wrong?
[01:45:15] >> Was he [ __ ] wrong?
[01:45:17] >> And we all who when we love somebody, we
[01:45:20] care about them as a friend, we all want
[01:45:22] them to have what they want if it's good
[01:45:23] for them. And for Lazar, it's peace,
[01:45:26] right? So, the worst thing he could do
[01:45:28] is let somebody make another movie about
[01:45:30] him. It's the worst thing he could do.
[01:45:33] Or is it the best thing that he could do
[01:45:37] and I'm going with that?
[01:45:38] >> Yeah. I think I think you know
[01:45:43] this is his final attempt to just be
[01:45:46] like, "Here's everything that I'll ever
[01:45:48] give you at all. Like, let's get it all
[01:45:50] out of the way. Let's go into the base.
[01:45:53] I'll reconstruct the base for you, the
[01:45:55] ship, everything. Well, I'll tell you
[01:45:56] what these people look like. I'll do
[01:45:58] this. I'll do that. I'll just give you
[01:45:59] everything. That way, you can just leave
[01:46:01] me alone.
[01:46:02] >> And you know that he's [ __ ] wrong.
[01:46:05] >> Yeah.
[01:46:06] >> Because it's just going to make people
[01:46:09] more hungry.
[01:46:09] >> Oh. Uh,
[01:46:11] >> come on, bro. You know that's true.
[01:46:13] >> Well,
[01:46:14] >> I I So, I see it both ways. I do see how
[01:46:18] >> Of course you do. He would
[01:46:22] once you give it all up, you think to
[01:46:25] yourself, well, I can't give you
[01:46:26] anymore. Of course, that's going to make
[01:46:28] people hungry. Of course, that's going
[01:46:30] to stoke the flame of people's
[01:46:33] curiosity.
[01:46:35] But I also think it's a valiant effort
[01:46:39] on his behalf and a very brave step to
[01:46:42] take uh to a relive everything uh b dig
[01:46:47] it up and let people go through it again
[01:46:50] and and c try to go on with his merry
[01:46:54] existence
[01:46:56] um you know post releasing um a massive
[01:47:00] you know sort of project about about his
[01:47:01] life. Um,
[01:47:03] >> will this be good for him?
[01:47:05] >> I wish nothing but that for Bob.
[01:47:09] >> Will it be good for him?
[01:47:10] >> M
[01:47:12] I think Bob knows
[01:47:14] that. And this is before the movie comes
[01:47:16] out.
[01:47:16] >> Yeah, we're going to know by the time
[01:47:18] this airs if it was good for him as a
[01:47:20] human.
[01:47:20] >> Bob's a smart guy. I think he knows
[01:47:22] there's a storm coming.
[01:47:24] >> There is a storm coming.
[01:47:25] >> And um
[01:47:27] yeah, I think he knows that. And I think
[01:47:29] he's uh you know like we we'll
[01:47:32] definitely see what happens. But you
[01:47:34] know there is no better antiseptic than
[01:47:36] Daylight in a lot of these cases. And
[01:47:38] and that's Bob's number one reason for
[01:47:41] coming out in the first place in 1989
[01:47:44] was
[01:47:44] >> the George [ __ ]
[01:47:45] >> exactly just put it out there. And I
[01:47:48] think that's his way of doing that again
[01:47:50] in a way that like also appeases people
[01:47:52] who just nag him for more information.
[01:47:57] perhaps appeases a lot of the skeptics
[01:47:59] out there who had questions about
[01:48:00] certain aspects of the story.
[01:48:02] >> He doesn't care about that.
[01:48:03] >> No, but also, you know, good riddance if
[01:48:06] if that's the case and if they're
[01:48:09] they'll never be satisfied. But if some
[01:48:11] of them, you know, end up if I could say
[01:48:13] this, you know, the movie's been out,
[01:48:16] people have seen it, but anyone on the
[01:48:17] fence anyone on the fence at this point
[01:48:20] watches that movie and goes, "Oh, no.
[01:48:21] >> I haven't seen it."
[01:48:22] >> Yeah. And I don't know. And you will see
[01:48:24] it.
[01:48:24] >> I know. But anyone on the fence is now,
[01:48:27] you know, you've no reason to be on the
[01:48:28] fence anymore.
[01:48:29] >> Okay, that's cool if the movie does
[01:48:30] that. Yeah. But that's my greatest fear
[01:48:32] for Bob. Yeah.
[01:48:33] >> My fear is that more people will believe
[01:48:36] him.
[01:48:36] >> Yeah.
[01:48:37] >> Because it's true.
[01:48:39] >> And my joke is,
[01:48:42] >> oh, Bob, look, what if everybody did
[01:48:44] believe you? How horrible. That would be
[01:48:47] horrible for you because the questions
[01:48:49] will never end. I I do hope that he
[01:48:52] maintains a sense of um bobness, you
[01:48:55] know, in the sense of like he has what
[01:48:57] he needs, which is peace. Like I don't
[01:49:00] think he gives a flying [ __ ] what you
[01:49:04] believe. I know that to be true. And so
[01:49:05] I anyway, just
[01:49:07] >> look um
[01:49:07] >> but all this is in the past because the
[01:49:09] movie is already out.
[01:49:10] >> Time dilation
[01:49:10] >> and uh and it's already out there and
[01:49:12] and and Bob's doing well.
[01:49:14] >> Yeah,
[01:49:15] >> you know, we we can say that because
[01:49:16] we're in the future now and Bob's doing
[01:49:18] well. Um,
[01:49:19] >> I can relate to it in the sense that the
[01:49:22] only reason I'm letting this movie come
[01:49:25] out
[01:49:26] >> is because I believe
[01:49:29] >> in this movie you're talking about your
[01:49:30] movie.
[01:49:30] >> Yeah. No, I'm talking about the movie
[01:49:32] about me.
[01:49:32] >> Oh, yeah.
[01:49:33] >> Right. That Michael made.
[01:49:34] >> Sure.
[01:49:35] >> So, I'm just um I think the reason to do
[01:49:37] it is so that um it's all out there.
[01:49:42] It's honest. It will leave people with
[01:49:45] big questions and they should be asking
[01:49:48] those questions.
[01:49:48] >> Well, it's not all out there,
[01:49:50] >> right?
[01:49:50] >> You did hold some cards close to your
[01:49:52] chest and
[01:49:53] >> one card.
[01:49:54] >> Well, there's a few.
[01:49:54] >> Okay.
[01:49:55] >> I want Yeah. Well, I want to get to that
[01:49:57] as well. Um,
[01:50:01] obviously the culmination
[01:50:03] and the pinnacle sort of moment, the the
[01:50:06] the critical mass of this movie, the
[01:50:10] where where it ends up peaking is you
[01:50:15] dig up this lab, this this USB key,
[01:50:19] >> you plug it into your laptop. Now,
[01:50:21] you're sitting
[01:50:23] in some abandoned park. You crack open
[01:50:26] the laptop.
[01:50:27] >> I remember. And now we get to see, and
[01:50:29] here's the interesting part, too. This
[01:50:31] is a little subtlety to, you know, how
[01:50:35] guarded you are about this information.
[01:50:37] We're only seeing an over-the-shoulder
[01:50:41] view from the C. We're not seeing the
[01:50:43] actual footage. Um, you didn't, I'm
[01:50:46] assume, give access to that footage to
[01:50:50] anyone, which is why you're there
[01:50:52] showing it on camera on your laptop
[01:50:54] versus
[01:50:55] >> But you're wrong. You you do see some
[01:50:56] footage in the movie. You just forgot.
[01:50:58] >> Oh, you see the whole footage? I thought
[01:51:00] it was just cropped in sort of
[01:51:02] >> No, no, you see some some You see some
[01:51:04] glimpses.
[01:51:05] >> You see the footage, but
[01:51:06] >> And it's not about the footage.
[01:51:07] >> Yeah, but you don't do you see the
[01:51:09] actual file.
[01:51:11] >> Yeah. Yeah. You see you see clips of
[01:51:13] like for Let me give you an example.
[01:51:14] Okay. Because um
[01:51:16] >> Oh, yes, you do. Okay. I'm remembering
[01:51:18] now. My bad. because a lot of it was
[01:51:20] like sort of over the shoulder, but then
[01:51:21] there are some things he puts.
[01:51:22] >> I think he goes back in and it gives you
[01:51:25] what you think you want,
[01:51:26] >> right? So, okay, let me start this
[01:51:29] again. You're at the park bench.
[01:51:31] >> You crack open the laptop. You put the
[01:51:33] USB key in. Now, we're seeing this
[01:51:35] massive trove
[01:51:37] of files that you've been collecting.
[01:51:40] Uh, all sorts of very interesting file
[01:51:42] names. I must have paused it 12 times to
[01:51:44] just look at the names of the files. Did
[01:51:47] you notice how I am am dyslexic and
[01:51:50] misspelled the word three times?
[01:51:52] >> I did not.
[01:51:53] >> Well, anyway, I did. I'm like, you know,
[01:51:55] and but the funny thing was is no, don't
[01:51:58] change anything. It has to be true. And
[01:52:02] and and so, yes, continue. I'm with you.
[01:52:04] I'm remembering it.
[01:52:06] >> Um, a lot of very intriguing footage.
[01:52:09] Now, my question to you is,
[01:52:12] does this footage also come out when
[01:52:15] this movie does?
[01:52:18] >> Oh, weird question. Hold on. Let me wrap
[01:52:20] my brain around that for a second.
[01:52:25] No.
[01:52:26] >> Okay.
[01:52:27] >> Because
[01:52:30] some of it So, first of all, we're
[01:52:32] talking about footage, so we've missed
[01:52:34] the mark. So, let's
[01:52:35] >> No, I want I want to talk about the
[01:52:36] footage first.
[01:52:37] >> Okay. So, the footage.
[01:52:38] >> Yeah. You should have recognized some of
[01:52:41] it already.
[01:52:42] >> I have. Yeah.
[01:52:43] >> Okay. So, that tells you that some of it
[01:52:46] was worthy of public discourse.
[01:52:51] >> You would see nothing that would harm
[01:52:53] national security even in especially in
[01:52:55] a movie.
[01:52:56] >> Y
[01:52:56] >> Okay. Will more full versions of some of
[01:53:00] what you've seen come out? Yeah. Unless
[01:53:02] I'm [ __ ] stopped.
[01:53:04] >> Mhm. Okay. That is my intent as a
[01:53:05] journalist with George is to put out
[01:53:07] everything we can
[01:53:08] >> because there's some interesting stuff
[01:53:09] there obviously.
[01:53:10] >> Yeah.
[01:53:11] >> Yeah.
[01:53:11] >> Oh yeah. Oh but part of this is a shield
[01:53:14] like I'm trying to practice journalism
[01:53:16] in America. I have been very clear with
[01:53:18] every agency of concern that as
[01:53:21] journalists we believe we are living
[01:53:23] under the the first amendment right and
[01:53:26] we also believe that we have been pretty
[01:53:28] trusted because we haven't [ __ ] up and
[01:53:29] we don't intend to and that we have a
[01:53:32] methodical multi-year process not just
[01:53:34] to protect sources which is the a number
[01:53:38] one things protect the source especially
[01:53:40] when they do not but it is also like
[01:53:42] protect America but it's also like the
[01:53:44] truth [ __ ] matters and that's our
[01:53:46] duty as journal journalists. So, George
[01:53:48] and I did make a decision and you
[01:53:50] actually got to see the moment that
[01:53:52] decision was made. That was real. That
[01:53:54] happened just like you saw it and we
[01:53:57] made that decision. So, yes, Chris
[01:53:59] Ramsey, of course, after the movie comes
[01:54:02] out,
[01:54:04] whatever you had glimpses of, if we can
[01:54:06] make sure that it's um worthy of public
[01:54:10] debate,
[01:54:10] >> Yeah.
[01:54:11] >> then as much there is of that will come
[01:54:14] out. But you're seeing the tip of an
[01:54:16] iceberg,
[01:54:17] >> of course.
[01:54:17] >> But I want you to know that. I want
[01:54:19] everybody to know that because I need to
[01:54:22] make sure everybody believes that I live
[01:54:24] in America under the First Amendment
[01:54:26] being a journalism uh being in
[01:54:29] journalism because um it's not just
[01:54:34] videos that are important.
[01:54:36] >> Nope. There's also a text file that I
[01:54:39] thought was really important as well.
[01:54:41] >> Oh [ __ ] You paused the screen, didn't
[01:54:42] you? Oh yeah.
[01:54:43] >> Oh [ __ ] I knew people were going to do
[01:54:44] that.
[01:54:45] >> Yeah. And and there's a there's a note
[01:54:46] on the bottom of that uh shot as well,
[01:54:50] >> which is say
[01:54:51] >> um I forget what it says, but it's
[01:54:52] something like to be discussed or or
[01:54:54] >> Okay. I don't know what you're talking
[01:54:55] about. You're talking about at the
[01:54:56] beginning where um I got a whole [ __ ]
[01:54:58] treasure trove from
[01:54:59] >> No, no, that I saw cuz uh from the Los
[01:55:02] Alamo stuff. I saw John B. Alexander's
[01:55:04] name on there,
[01:55:05] >> right? Cuz he highlighted to make sure I
[01:55:07] saw it.
[01:55:07] >> Yeah.
[01:55:08] >> But if you look at those documents, um
[01:55:10] understand the premise.
[01:55:12] >> Sure. I get stuff all the time. Yeah.
[01:55:14] And I am not qualified as my lawyer
[01:55:17] would say to understand its value or not
[01:55:21] value um sensitivity. So I have to take
[01:55:24] time to make sure that I do no harm.
[01:55:26] Right? That happens all the time to me.
[01:55:30] I I have become a guy that people do
[01:55:32] that. Now when a package comes torn, it
[01:55:34] makes me wonder. So I I have to verify
[01:55:36] that everything is exactly as is because
[01:55:39] then that just means it got torn in the
[01:55:40] way there or it's been read and by who?
[01:55:43] By our government who is our you know
[01:55:46] who it's our government or by an
[01:55:48] adversarial government. Right. So there
[01:55:51] we go. I get a package. Now this is from
[01:55:54] the person who is head of cyber security
[01:55:56] at Los Alamos National Laboratory. when
[01:55:58] they died,
[01:56:01] um, his son mailed something to me and
[01:56:05] that's what you see at a beginning early
[01:56:06] scene in the movie and that that's real.
[01:56:08] >> Yeah. The aerial anomalies and
[01:56:10] >> Mhm.
[01:56:11] >> atmospheric anomalies was one tiny
[01:56:13] little file thing tucked away which is
[01:56:15] what the old schoolers used to do is
[01:56:17] they took their UFO files and used to
[01:56:18] call them atmospheric anomalies which is
[01:56:20] pretty cool.
[01:56:20] >> Yeah. What uh Howard Menzel would call.
[01:56:24] >> Yeah. Sure. But anyway, so then you're
[01:56:25] talking about something else that I am
[01:56:27] not tracking that was in the movie
[01:56:29] because I think you missed something.
[01:56:31] >> Well, I'm talking about at the end
[01:56:33] there's another file,
[01:56:34] >> right? Was it kind of like gold or was
[01:56:36] it kind of like gold paper? Yep.
[01:56:38] >> Yeah. Did you read the words? Oh, yeah.
[01:56:39] Okay. Talk.
[01:56:40] >> And um it's it's it's
[01:56:44] alluding to a cleanup.
[01:56:46] >> Yes, sir.
[01:56:47] >> Of an of alien bodies.
[01:56:50] >> Uh alien bio. I'm not sure what it said.
[01:56:53] Didn't say it. I didn't say bodies.
[01:56:55] >> No. No. Biosynthetic organisms.
[01:56:57] >> Were the exact words. There's a word in
[01:57:00] there that was really tripping me out.
[01:57:01] >> Yeah. Symbiotic.
[01:57:03] >> Symbiotic. That's right. Yeah. They were
[01:57:04] afraid that the aliens that the bio
[01:57:07] symbiotic alien whatever had infiltrated
[01:57:11] the local population,
[01:57:13] >> which
[01:57:15] is inc is such a sci-fi thing to read.
[01:57:20] >> What does a symbiotic relationship mean?
[01:57:22] >> Yeah. You get something and you give in
[01:57:24] return and you're both kind of um you're
[01:57:26] both getting something out of the
[01:57:27] relationship.
[01:57:28] >> It's that thing that goes into the
[01:57:30] grasshopper I think and takes over its
[01:57:32] brain and makes it go drown.
[01:57:33] >> That's not symbiotic. No, that's
[01:57:35] parasitic.
[01:57:36] >> Oh, thank God.
[01:57:37] >> Yeah. I would say symbiotic would be
[01:57:38] more like the hippopotamus and those
[01:57:40] little birds that live on its back where
[01:57:42] they're both benefiting.
[01:57:43] >> Mutually beneficial for survival.
[01:57:45] >> That's right.
[01:57:46] >> Is that right? If we looked at
[01:57:47] dictionary.
[01:57:47] >> Yes. Yeah, that would be accurate.
[01:57:49] >> Thank god.
[01:57:49] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that what I also
[01:57:54] found interesting is that there's phone
[01:57:56] numbers on the bottom of that. Did you
[01:57:58] mean to not redact that?
[01:57:59] >> Well, we redacted other things.
[01:58:00] >> You redacted the names.
[01:58:01] >> Yeah. Well, those phone numbers must be
[01:58:02] okay then.
[01:58:03] >> Okay.
[01:58:04] >> People might want to call them if they
[01:58:06] still exist.
[01:58:07] >> I'll call them.
[01:58:07] >> But you always hold something back as a
[01:58:09] magician.
[01:58:10] >> Sure.
[01:58:11] >> And you do that for two reasons.
[01:58:13] >> To sniff out [ __ ]
[01:58:15] >> and as your right or usually your right
[01:58:19] punch. or sometimes your left hook
[01:58:22] because the or an uppercut, something
[01:58:24] you don't see coming, right? So the jab
[01:58:26] puts people at distance and everybody
[01:58:28] knows this bomb is coming. But then the
[01:58:29] other one's the hook or the uppercut.
[01:58:31] You hide those a little bit because they
[01:58:33] they have so many knockouts from those,
[01:58:35] right? So, as a journalist, you always
[01:58:37] keep stuff to one find out who's going
[01:58:40] to come to you with [ __ ] after like
[01:58:43] names associated with those phone
[01:58:45] numbers.
[01:58:47] >> Or that's your uppercut or left hook,
[01:58:50] the knockouts.
[01:58:52] >> Can I can I grab that screen grab real
[01:58:55] quick?
[01:58:56] >> Yeah. I mean, it's out.
[01:58:57] >> I want to uh
[01:58:58] >> by the time this talk is it's out.
[01:59:00] >> That's true.
[01:59:01] >> Yeah, you can read away.
[01:59:02] >> I want to I'll take a second here.
[01:59:04] Because of time dilation, I'm going to
[01:59:05] put this phone this way so no one ever
[01:59:07] knows now if the clocks are accurate.
[01:59:10] >> Uh, let me go
[01:59:14] >> cuz that clock's supposed to keep you
[01:59:16] real. But I don't trust that clock.
[01:59:18] >> Oh, well, you can trust it.
[01:59:20] >> Really?
[01:59:21] >> Yep. That's why it's there. Gives people
[01:59:24] a reference to when these conversations
[01:59:26] happened. Just like the Bob Lazar
[01:59:28] conversation I had recently. People will
[01:59:30] see on that if they, you know, watch
[01:59:32] that. Wow.
[01:59:34] >> If they look at the clock and pay
[01:59:35] attention, they know when that
[01:59:36] conversation happened. It was It was uh
[01:59:38] over a year ago. Um all right, let's get
[01:59:42] to there. I'm I'm fast forwarding.
[01:59:45] >> Take your time
[01:59:46] >> through your movie now.
[01:59:50] The skiff. Look at this place, man.
[01:59:55] >> I think there's sodium penithol in this.
[01:59:57] Um
[01:59:58] >> not enough.
[01:59:59] >> And 115.
[02:00:00] >> Not enough, apparently.
[02:00:03] No, I'm being straightforward, right?
[02:00:04] I'm gonna answer your question. Yeah,
[02:00:04] you are. If if I don't, just stop me as
[02:00:06] a friend and be like, "Dude, answer my
[02:00:08] question."
[02:00:08] >> Yeah, I will. Um, and I trust you will.
[02:00:11] No, you're doing a good job. Sorry, this
[02:00:14] is taking a second here.
[02:00:15] >> I hate interviews where you ask somebody
[02:00:16] something they don't answer.
[02:00:19] >> What's uh
[02:00:22] who is your most evasive interview?
[02:00:24] While I pull this up,
[02:00:25] >> I mean, it was the first two years of
[02:00:27] filming John Lear was the most evasive
[02:00:29] interview. Okay. But who's the most
[02:00:30] evasive interview of somebody of
[02:00:32] somebody credible who you believe to be
[02:00:34] credible?
[02:00:35] >> Well, I believe John Leer was credible
[02:00:36] at being John Leer.
[02:00:38] >> Yeah. Okay. That doesn't that doesn't go
[02:00:39] very far.
[02:00:40] >> Well, I'm trying to really think here.
[02:00:41] Um
[02:00:43] >> like would you say would it be a
[02:00:45] politician?
[02:00:46] >> They're not public. So, so the Yeah. The
[02:00:48] interviews that are the most evasive are
[02:00:50] like my everyday. I eat them for
[02:00:51] breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I call
[02:00:53] people who are in the intelligence
[02:00:55] community and they have a job to do and
[02:00:57] sometimes they're trying to get dirt on
[02:01:00] me so that they can manipulate that
[02:01:03] later. And also sometimes people just
[02:01:04] have a duty, you know, but the most
[02:01:06] evasive are like when an intelligence
[02:01:09] agent calls me up with badge contact and
[02:01:11] they tell me they're going to do
[02:01:12] something really great for UFOs. They're
[02:01:14] going to find the truth and then you
[02:01:16] know 9 months into these conversations
[02:01:18] my lawyer is like, "Do not talk with
[02:01:19] that agency." And then 9 months into
[02:01:22] that when I told my lawyer, "Oh, [ __ ]
[02:01:24] no. I'm going to talk to him because I
[02:01:25] want to [ __ ] find out what's going on
[02:01:26] if I, you know, don't get to the last."
[02:01:28] It's when they try to entrap me with
[02:01:31] false information to see where I put it.
[02:01:34] That's the most evasive conversation cuz
[02:01:36] they're being evasive.
[02:01:40] >> Feels like uh feels like you got to be a
[02:01:43] magician just to navigate this
[02:01:44] territory.
[02:01:45] >> [ __ ] dude. I hope I'm doing okay. All
[02:01:47] right. Got it here. So, EPA form
[02:01:51] 2070-12, right? Attached. EPA. What does
[02:01:54] that stand for?
[02:01:55] >> Environmental Protection Act maybe.
[02:01:58] >> Whoa.
[02:01:58] >> I'm not sure. People are better acronyms
[02:02:00] than me.
[02:02:00] >> Cost estimate attached.
[02:02:02] >> Yes.
[02:02:04] um proposed activities.
[02:02:09] A site investigation SI should be
[02:02:12] undertaken to determine alien inorganic
[02:02:17] alien inorganic compounds or other
[02:02:21] biochemicals
[02:02:23] have been disposed of at this site. and
[02:02:26] to determine the presence and or extent
[02:02:30] of any soil
[02:02:32] and groundwater contamination that may
[02:02:35] be the result of materials disposed of
[02:02:39] at this site. Local residents should be
[02:02:43] checked for evidence that they are being
[02:02:47] symbiotically manipulated by surviving
[02:02:52] aliens.
[02:02:54] That sounds like something out of a bad
[02:02:57] science fiction novel. Like it's crazy.
[02:02:59] >> Exactly.
[02:03:00] >> The word aliens is used so flippantly
[02:03:03] here. It's not
[02:03:05] >> biologicals.
[02:03:07] It's not, you know, extra tempestrial.
[02:03:10] It's nothing. It's aliens in lower caps.
[02:03:13] In lower case,
[02:03:14] >> what year would that have been? Cur
[02:03:16] curiously, if people probably figure
[02:03:17] that one out like the online sleuths,
[02:03:22] what year? Right. I'm not asking you.
[02:03:24] I'm I'm I'm saying
[02:03:24] >> Yeah. I'm trying to figure it out.
[02:03:25] >> I'm saying what you're doing by allowing
[02:03:28] that piece of paper to be shown
[02:03:30] >> is you're saying help. You're saying so
[02:03:34] did you look at the file structures?
[02:03:36] There were some that were like high
[02:03:37] confidence or verified UAP. There was a
[02:03:40] bunch of names in there. So this one
[02:03:43] I have and George has for many many
[02:03:46] years. We got to a point where obviously
[02:03:49] we believe at least that is worthy of
[02:03:52] public discourse. I can confidently say
[02:03:56] at this time that that did not get
[02:04:01] transmitted
[02:04:02] through unsecure fashions. Okay. So
[02:04:06] >> a document like that would come in
[02:04:08] >> that's an official document
[02:04:09] >> like it would be received in a skiff
[02:04:13] >> on a certain type of line to get it in
[02:04:17] from a confidential. I'm going to say
[02:04:19] the word with a big C is confidential
[02:04:21] because I'm not qualified to say the
[02:04:23] other C word confidential into another
[02:04:26] confidential area. You reading between
[02:04:29] the lines? Yeah. Okay. So there we are.
[02:04:32] And then I know that there was a
[02:04:34] reaction
[02:04:36] uh in that room
[02:04:38] >> and I obviously somebody thought that
[02:04:42] fake or not fake that it was worthy of
[02:04:45] possibly
[02:04:47] um removing that from that confidential
[02:04:50] place
[02:04:51] where it comes to a journalist. So
[02:04:54] that's a big risk to take for [ __ ]
[02:04:56] >> Yeah, that's um that's a crime
[02:04:59] >> here. Now the other side of the Yes, it
[02:05:02] is a crime. The other side of the coin,
[02:05:04] but not by me.
[02:05:05] >> Sure. No. No.
[02:05:06] >> But that's a big risk.
[02:05:07] >> But that's a big risk.
[02:05:08] >> That's a crime. Absolutely. It doesn't
[02:05:10] matter what that is.
[02:05:11] >> No, you you smuggled something out of a
[02:05:13] skiff.
[02:05:13] >> So that's real. Now the other side of
[02:05:16] the coin is I also know from personal
[02:05:18] experience not in this case because uh
[02:05:22] the duration of which I sit on material
[02:05:25] and bullet test it and go as far as I
[02:05:28] can and then I can't go any further
[02:05:30] without compromising things. So I get to
[02:05:33] a point where I have to stop. Okay.
[02:05:36] The other side of that coin is that
[02:05:40] I also know not a prank. I also know
[02:05:44] that there is intentional disinformation
[02:05:48] given to real actual unknowing people in
[02:05:53] that confidential setting
[02:05:55] >> passage material.
[02:05:56] >> Okay, there we go. So for your audience
[02:05:59] and that that is also real.
[02:06:02] This is not that right. This is not
[02:06:06] passage material. So now I am spinning.
[02:06:10] I'm spinning, right? And I'm like,
[02:06:12] "Okay, this is not passage material, but
[02:06:14] that's two on the nose. What's going on?
[02:06:16] I don't understand." You imagine that's
[02:06:18] one page out of many, right? You'd
[02:06:21] imagine that there's traceable things
[02:06:24] like bank account numbers to black
[02:06:26] programs. You'd imagine. So, if I
[02:06:29] imagined that,
[02:06:30] >> so this is not the only piece of paper
[02:06:32] that was
[02:06:33] >> No.
[02:06:33] >> Okay. There's a whole other set of files
[02:06:36] attached to that
[02:06:37] >> allegedly. And is that is that what
[02:06:39] we're seeing at the end of this frame
[02:06:41] here? Is that like all these other
[02:06:43] biologics
[02:06:45] that are in this folder? Right. So
[02:06:46] there's quite a few. Yeah.
[02:06:48] >> Cash number four.
[02:06:49] >> Wow.
[02:06:50] >> Cash number four.
[02:06:51] >> Mhm.
[02:06:52] >> So as time progresses,
[02:06:56] you never revisit
[02:06:58] a cash unless you have to. Okay.
[02:07:02] Um,
[02:07:07] so as you add to caches,
[02:07:12] um, your files grow bigger, right? I So
[02:07:17] I think I have a little fear in me right
[02:07:18] now. So I'm just I'm I'm not stuttering.
[02:07:21] I'm trying not to stutter. So I'm like
[02:07:23] trying to speak
[02:07:24] >> thoughtfully. And that's hard for me
[02:07:26] sometimes. What you see is what you get,
[02:07:27] dude. From the heart to the mouth. No
[02:07:29] filter. But I'm I'm trying to put a
[02:07:31] little filter here. So
[02:07:35] your core question is maybe why is that
[02:07:38] in the movie? For what purpose? And the
[02:07:42] other core question is probably do you
[02:07:44] trust it? Am I accurate? Are those two
[02:07:47] important questions to you?
[02:07:51] >> Yeah, I those are both things I'm
[02:07:52] curious about.
[02:07:53] >> Okay. So,
[02:07:57] I trust that that is
[02:08:01] a memo
[02:08:03] that was never supposed to be in public
[02:08:05] domain. I trust that
[02:08:08] for whatever that means that I know
[02:08:14] I allowed it
[02:08:18] to be in the movie because I think it is
[02:08:21] worthy of public discourse
[02:08:23] and investigation.
[02:08:26] And I have reached my limit
[02:08:30] for now.
[02:08:32] And I am hoping that with the tiny bit
[02:08:34] that is there,
[02:08:36] we're going to learn what's true and not
[02:08:40] true about that page.
[02:08:42] >> Is this the biggest
[02:08:46] release in your opinion
[02:08:49] that you've been a part of this
[02:08:51] particular document here? Do you think?
[02:08:52] >> I have not been a part of the release of
[02:08:54] that document. You all you see is a page
[02:08:57] on a movie.
[02:08:58] >> Yes. But if this document were to be
[02:09:01] released,
[02:09:02] >> if this document were to find itself
[02:09:04] >> No,
[02:09:04] >> no,
[02:09:05] >> no, no. There's a lot about to happen.
[02:09:07] >> Really?
[02:09:07] >> Yeah. Um, and not not just I'm not
[02:09:10] talking about just me and George Knap,
[02:09:12] you know, that there's when when I say
[02:09:14] there is an army of whistleblowers
[02:09:17] ready to come forward. I went on the
[02:09:18] news and I said there are three
[02:09:21] firsthand people willing to raise their
[02:09:23] hands. Now, we can debate all day what
[02:09:25] first 10 means, but when I say there's
[02:09:26] an army of whistleblowers,
[02:09:28] >> that's to me an army is is more than 12.
[02:09:31] It's more than 24. It's, you know, it's
[02:09:33] more than 36.
[02:09:35] >> Um,
[02:09:37] >> I'm not that's not that's not an that is
[02:09:40] a true statement. That is a factual
[02:09:42] statement. So, is this the bigot? No.
[02:09:44] This is just a piece of paper that
[02:09:47] requires participation
[02:09:49] with magic with a K.
[02:09:53] Does that answer your question?
[02:09:55] >> Yeah, it does. Yeah, thanks for sharing
[02:09:57] that. I mean, that's obviously going to
[02:09:59] be,
[02:10:00] you know, that just to like get off that
[02:10:03] last document before we move on.
[02:10:05] >> [ __ ]
[02:10:07] >> It's one of those to me it's one of
[02:10:09] those things that like, you know, those
[02:10:10] old MJ12 documents,
[02:10:12] >> those that just read like Yeah. They're,
[02:10:15] you know, the Psalm one.
[02:10:17] >> Oh, let me back up. Yeah. It's [ __ ]
[02:10:19] absurd.
[02:10:20] >> Absolutely.
[02:10:21] >> Yes. It's silly.
[02:10:22] >> Mhm. Yeah, it's silly. It's whimsical.
[02:10:25] The whole,
[02:10:27] >> you know, symbiosis thing. So weird. I
[02:10:30] don't even know what to make of that.
[02:10:32] >> Where I live in California, there are
[02:10:34] people who've spent 30 years plus
[02:10:37] running companies for disposal,
[02:10:40] aerospace disposal.
[02:10:42] And if you were to infiltrate their
[02:10:46] ranks,
[02:10:48] you would find out that it is a known
[02:10:51] thing
[02:10:53] that there are what or they'll call them
[02:10:56] organic and inorganic compounds that
[02:10:59] have to be driven. What's an inorganic
[02:11:02] compound
[02:11:04] that can
[02:11:08] act as like some symbiotic
[02:11:10] >> Mhm. have a symbiotic relationship with
[02:11:13] humans.
[02:11:14] >> What do you know about carbon based life
[02:11:17] verse other forms of life?
[02:11:23] >> Right. But I mean, but but even even
[02:11:25] other forms of life is still organic.
[02:11:28] >> Um cybernetic,
[02:11:30] >> you know, inorganic. So you're think
[02:11:31] you're think you're thinking synthetic
[02:11:33] like some type of like
[02:11:35] >> this is above my pay grade, but I'll
[02:11:37] I'll say this
[02:11:38] >> just just we're speculating.
[02:11:40] >> Okay. Oh, speculating
[02:11:41] >> like what are we talking about? AI robot
[02:11:43] aliens.
[02:11:43] >> Okay, so um there how the theory goes is
[02:11:47] that
[02:11:49] just as we print liver, heart cells,
[02:11:54] organs in space, which we do.
[02:11:56] >> Mhm.
[02:11:58] >> Um
[02:12:00] you can print
[02:12:04] biologics.
[02:12:07] So cybernetic, if people have a
[02:12:09] dictionary because I don't know for
[02:12:10] sure, but cybernetic would be this idea
[02:12:13] of an um like an organic compound
[02:12:18] that at its core is like a robot, right?
[02:12:23] So an artificial intelligence within a
[02:12:25] biological bag, right?
[02:12:28] >> So the idea with like the grays or
[02:12:31] whatever, you know, people often say, so
[02:12:33] they're like basically manufactured
[02:12:34] beings, right? And they're cybernetic.
[02:12:37] So they're they're they're organic
[02:12:40] >> to me. Cybernetic means like wires and
[02:12:42] stuff because
[02:12:43] >> Oh, maybe it does
[02:12:44] >> because they're saying inorganic.
[02:12:46] >> Well, that's different. We're getting to
[02:12:47] that. But you asked
[02:12:48] >> because inorganic means
[02:12:50] >> Well, I don't know.
[02:12:51] >> Not an organism.
[02:12:54] >> Look, you do the math. What I'm telling
[02:12:57] you is that there are people that
[02:12:59] transport from California in and I've
[02:13:02] seen them these buildings that um are
[02:13:05] nondescript and they have like high
[02:13:07] security and you would never know what
[02:13:09] goes on in those buildings um unless you
[02:13:12] get people that go inside and those
[02:13:13] people that go inside in full hazmat
[02:13:15] suits, right? Sometimes they will do a
[02:13:18] cleanup and they will package it up and
[02:13:21] now depending on its classification they
[02:13:23] will then create lists and the lists if
[02:13:26] it's unclassified material it's a very
[02:13:28] specific type of thing 3.3%
[02:13:32] this 3.4% 4% that I mean everything's
[02:13:34] listed. Totally different protocol of
[02:13:37] classification for other stuff. If
[02:13:38] something is you know top secret or
[02:13:40] above as we commonly know it um totally
[02:13:43] different protocol but either way that
[02:13:45] shit's going inside of trucks it is
[02:13:48] going to often times most often than not
[02:13:51] um Dougway where they have a special
[02:13:54] burner and that burner is a non um what
[02:13:58] is it called? Uh like it it doesn't
[02:14:00] combustion. No. Um high like super hot,
[02:14:03] right?
[02:14:04] >> Um what it does is it's a non like where
[02:14:07] it permeates out, whatever the word is.
[02:14:09] Um
[02:14:10] >> um there there's a word a really good
[02:14:12] word and it basically means that it
[02:14:13] doesn't leave that containment. Okay.
[02:14:15] >> So even to the point where you crush up
[02:14:17] the carbon filters and just swallow
[02:14:19] everything
[02:14:20] >> like Yeah. So it swallows everything. So
[02:14:22] it's nonpermeating. It doesn't go out.
[02:14:24] Right. And you know, you talk to people
[02:14:27] who have done this for their lives and
[02:14:30] they're part of this little club and
[02:14:32] they'll walk in with like a full-on
[02:14:34] hazmat and where's the bathroom? I mean,
[02:14:36] it's like right out of a comedy, right?
[02:14:37] Like where's the bathroom? And then like
[02:14:39] people inside, they don't see the
[02:14:41] sunlight a lot in a lot of ways. You
[02:14:43] know, they're they're really But if
[02:14:44] you're in there, you must be on the
[02:14:46] level cuz if you're on the level, you
[02:14:48] wouldn't be if you weren't on the level,
[02:14:49] you wouldn't be in there. And then
[02:14:50] they're showing you a [ __ ] sphere
[02:14:53] that's [ __ ] just hovering and you're
[02:14:54] like, "How does that happen?" You know
[02:14:56] what I mean? How does that Whoa, that's
[02:14:57] pretty cool. Where's the bathroom again?
[02:14:59] But they just can't stop. They They get
[02:15:01] it off their chest. They can't stop
[02:15:03] because they don't have a lot of people
[02:15:04] to talk to that are new faces, right?
[02:15:06] >> So then you you collect this stuff and
[02:15:08] then you take it out, let's say, to Doug
[02:15:11] Way, um the town. there's this burner
[02:15:13] out there and you got a list that
[02:15:15] doesn't say [ __ ] because it's, you know,
[02:15:17] cuz of classification and you just, you
[02:15:19] know, you wouldn't really know tons of,
[02:15:20] you know, all the chemicals you deal
[02:15:22] with, you know, organic and inorganic
[02:15:24] compounds, which we'll figure out later.
[02:15:26] And you take it and I'd be like, well,
[02:15:28] so what's the deal? What's the deal if
[02:15:31] it's a known secret that you are moving
[02:15:35] what you're saying are alien organic and
[02:15:39] inorganic compounds? We're not talking
[02:15:41] like rocket fuel that needs to be like,
[02:15:44] you know, perfectly fixed and, you know,
[02:15:46] run off from this or that. We're talking
[02:15:47] aliens here. Okay. So, if that was true,
[02:15:50] right, then I'd be like, like, how do
[02:15:52] you know? Like, how do you know that
[02:15:54] that is true? And somebody would say
[02:15:56] something like and and I'm like, why?
[02:15:59] Like, why is it so harmful other than I
[02:16:03] get secrecy, but that's not what you're
[02:16:04] doing. You're doing destruction. So,
[02:16:06] like, why? And they would say something
[02:16:09] exactly like
[02:16:11] because of its ability
[02:16:14] to alter human DNA.
[02:16:17] And I would be like in a barber shop
[02:16:20] getting a haircut being like what?
[02:16:22] >> Um c can you say that one more time so I
[02:16:24] can verbatim understand that? Because of
[02:16:27] its ability to alter human DNA.
[02:16:32] >> Kind of like an RNA thing.
[02:16:34] >> I don't know, dude. I'm not a [ __ ]
[02:16:35] smart pants guy. not smart pants guy.
[02:16:38] So, um, all that to say is that even
[02:16:42] within these circles of trust, there is
[02:16:45] this known thing that humans can't keep
[02:16:48] their [ __ ] mouths shut. And human
[02:16:50] beings are the greatest leak to security
[02:16:54] than any document, photo, image, video.
[02:16:57] It's always human beings. And there
[02:17:00] there are consequences.
[02:17:03] There are consequences to um speaking
[02:17:05] outside of school and sometimes they're
[02:17:07] covert, sometimes they're overt,
[02:17:09] sometimes they're inert or they appear
[02:17:10] to be, but there are consequences and
[02:17:12] sometimes the consequence is just the
[02:17:15] pain you feel that the crushing weight
[02:17:19] of what you know to be true and can't
[02:17:22] say is going to destroy and snap your
[02:17:26] legs and destroy your humanity. And I've
[02:17:29] seen that pain in people's eyes. And
[02:17:32] it's not a way to live, man. You cannot
[02:17:34] live. You're not free. You don't have
[02:17:37] freedom of thought. You don't have
[02:17:40] freedom of thought because you don't
[02:17:41] have freedom of of speech. Without
[02:17:43] freedom of speech, you can't have
[02:17:45] freedom of thought. And that's what's at
[02:17:46] stake with the UFO game.
[02:17:50] >> All right, Jeremy. Thank you. We're
[02:17:52] going to answer some questions from the
[02:17:53] audience.
[02:17:54] >> Easy question.
[02:17:54] >> All right. This is uh it's part of the
[02:17:57] membership here. If you join and become
[02:17:59] a member, one of the many perks that you
[02:18:02] get is you're uh able to potentially
[02:18:06] have one of your questions answered by
[02:18:08] our guests, which we post in the
[02:18:09] Discord, and then you can go see that.
[02:18:11] So, the first one here,
[02:18:14] um, yeah, I mean, I don't know how
[02:18:18] you're going to answer this one, but
[02:18:19] this is a
[02:18:19] >> Neither do I because I don't know the
[02:18:21] question.
[02:18:21] >> It's a good question.
[02:18:23] >> The [ __ ] Oh,
[02:18:27] >> by Slay says, "What would be the most
[02:18:30] smoking gun evidence you would like to
[02:18:31] release but can't?"
[02:18:32] >> It's a great [ __ ] Did you time that
[02:18:35] question like Zar?
[02:18:36] >> I did.
[02:18:37] >> Did you time that?
[02:18:38] >> No.
[02:18:38] >> Okay, then I finally get to do my joke
[02:18:40] on Chris Ramsay, which he'll only be the
[02:18:42] only one really that understands. All
[02:18:44] cards on the table, [ __ ]
[02:18:48] I'm gonna I'm gonna risk a Bob Lazar
[02:18:51] migraine by taking my glasses off. I
[02:18:53] just it's going to [ __ ] me, but the
[02:18:55] lights are bright in this skiff.
[02:19:00] Okay, no armor. What would be the most
[02:19:02] smoking gun evidence you would like to
[02:19:04] release but can't? Um, that would be
[02:19:08] clear as day UAP filmed by satellite
[02:19:13] that were doing reconnaissance on
[02:19:16] adversarial and foreign nations assets.
[02:19:20] And I don't I do not have that. In fact,
[02:19:23] I have nothing. And I've made sure of
[02:19:25] that. I have nothing. Nothing at home,
[02:19:29] nothing on my phone, nothing on my
[02:19:31] computers. I have nothing. However, I
[02:19:35] would love I would love that smoking gun
[02:19:39] evidence, which does exist. I have seen
[02:19:42] it. So have other people that you know.
[02:19:46] And I'm not talking about one piece of
[02:19:47] footage. I'm talking about a lot of
[02:19:49] footage. But it is not mine to share.
[02:19:52] >> What does it feature? Does it feature a
[02:19:54] disc, a tic tac, a tune?
[02:19:56] >> Talk about a lot of different footage.
[02:19:57] Chris,
[02:19:58] >> tell me. I We're not I don't want to
[02:20:00] know about where it is. I don't want to
[02:20:02] know about any. I want to know what is
[02:20:04] on these videos. Is it a triangle?
[02:20:07] >> There are hundreds.
[02:20:08] >> Tell me one.
[02:20:09] >> Well, I just did.
[02:20:10] >> You said hundreds. Give me one.
[02:20:12] >> No, there I But I did before that. So, I
[02:20:14] told you satellite footage or maybe I'm
[02:20:16] going back in time of of of two discs
[02:20:19] going by an adversarial nation's ship.
[02:20:22] Submarines are way more sensitive by the
[02:20:24] way position.
[02:20:25] >> These are discs, silver discs.
[02:20:26] >> They appear they appear to be lenticular
[02:20:28] in nature.
[02:20:28] >> Okay.
[02:20:29] >> Not just orbs, not circular, but I mean,
[02:20:31] look, no one piece I learned this a long
[02:20:33] time ago. George Knap and I released
[02:20:36] absolute scientific evidence of
[02:20:39] instantaneous motion. It was the first
[02:20:41] time in your life and mine and the
[02:20:43] worlds that publicly there's a piece of
[02:20:44] footage that has precedent, has origin,
[02:20:47] it has uh pedigree, and it is military
[02:20:50] filmed, and it shows you instantaneous
[02:20:53] motion. Now, I could look, I could be
[02:20:55] wrong one day, and I'm trying I'm I'm
[02:20:57] asking the public to bullet test that
[02:20:58] theory because our own government
[02:21:01] believed that that is a display of
[02:21:04] instantaneous motion. That's the piece
[02:21:06] that definitely
[02:21:08] they, you know, whoever the controllers
[02:21:10] didn't want out. The others were like
[02:21:12] balloon tests. Here's this. Here's that.
[02:21:14] Here's this. Here's that. That one is
[02:21:16] important. I think it will be seen that
[02:21:18] way in history. Or I'm wrong. And guess
[02:21:20] what? If I'm wrong, so was our entire
[02:21:24] intelligence community within the United
[02:21:26] States. And so I feel like I've put
[02:21:30] pretty good steps forward for people,
[02:21:32] man. you know, um, no one piece of
[02:21:34] footage has ever convinced me. It's the
[02:21:37] crushing weight of the accumulative
[02:21:39] footage, and I hope the public gets to
[02:21:41] see more and better.
[02:21:42] >> I'm going to pin you down on this. Okay.
[02:21:44] >> I want I want to know more about these
[02:21:48] uh this footage that you that you allude
[02:21:50] to. I've heard people like Lu Alazand
[02:21:52] talk about footage. I've heard people in
[02:21:54] Congress mention it recently that
[02:21:56] they've seen footage. What's on Give me
[02:21:59] five examples.
[02:22:00] >> Well, I've given you 13. Well, I want I
[02:22:03] want like clear physically given the
[02:22:05] public with George Knap 13 assets that
[02:22:08] you were never supposed to see.
[02:22:09] >> But you said clear as day. Those aren't
[02:22:11] clear as day.
[02:22:12] >> Clear as day. Okay. So, let's split
[02:22:14] another hair. So, clear as day.
[02:22:17] >> Clear as day to me is Independence Day.
[02:22:21] Like coming out of the clouds. That's
[02:22:22] clear as day.
[02:22:23] >> I'll promise you this. If I ever saw,
[02:22:27] obtained, and was able to release clear
[02:22:30] as day, Independence Day, hilarious um
[02:22:33] piece of footage.
[02:22:35] >> And even if it's not clear as day, I
[02:22:37] would release it. George Nap would
[02:22:38] release it. We'd release it.
[02:22:39] >> I know that, but I just want to know
[02:22:41] details like, okay, cuz like what have I
[02:22:43] seen?
[02:22:43] >> Because the I for me, it's more about
[02:22:46] like what the craft looks like because,
[02:22:48] you know, I get that there's sensitive
[02:22:50] areas and then you can't give that up.
[02:22:51] Fine. I'm resigned to being very okay
[02:22:53] with, you know, not,
[02:22:56] you know, endangering people's lives by
[02:22:58] putting out information. Fine.
[02:23:01] You said you've seen footage. That is
[02:23:03] very clear.
[02:23:03] >> Fact.
[02:23:04] >> I want to know, do you see markings on
[02:23:08] these craft? Is it that clear?
[02:23:09] >> No. No markings that I ever seen.
[02:23:11] >> Okay. Are are you referring to craft
[02:23:14] that are of the triangular nature?
[02:23:17] >> Well, yeah, sure. There are there's
[02:23:18] triangles, there's tic tacs, there's
[02:23:20] ovals, there's spheres,
[02:23:21] >> and that you've seen.
[02:23:22] >> Yes.
[02:23:23] >> You've seen clear
[02:23:24] >> 100%.
[02:23:26] >> How clear are we talking? Are we are we
[02:23:28] talking?
[02:23:29] >> Are we talking iPhone footage?
[02:23:31] >> Okay.
[02:23:31] >> Are we like that clear? Or is it all IR
[02:23:34] stuff?
[02:23:35] >> Let's split another hair. Okay.
[02:23:37] >> So, first of all, you keep saying craft.
[02:23:39] >> Yeah.
[02:23:39] >> I don't [ __ ] know that's true.
[02:23:41] >> Sure. Fine. Fair.
[02:23:41] >> No. No. very fair because um
[02:23:44] >> you will see um I hope you will see uh
[02:23:50] all five observables.
[02:23:52] >> Okay,
[02:23:53] >> I showed you one. George and I've shown
[02:23:54] you one.
[02:23:55] >> Clear as [ __ ] day. Let's let people
[02:23:57] dissect that first and make sure it is.
[02:23:59] >> Okay. Um
[02:24:02] military footage is always going to be
[02:24:06] through military assets. Those assets
[02:24:08] are going to be at best full motion
[02:24:12] video. Full motion video is the overlay
[02:24:15] of a bunch of types of sensors where
[02:24:17] then it creates for you night or day
[02:24:20] >> a clear full highresolution
[02:24:25] image. Example, the Mosul orb.
[02:24:29] >> Yes, that's a great high definition
[02:24:31] image,
[02:24:31] >> right? Well, okay. So, that's your
[02:24:33] barometer. So, now I'm understanding
[02:24:35] your phone.
[02:24:35] >> It has color. It has texture. It has
[02:24:38] depth.
[02:24:39] >> Yeah. So, you've got thermal, which is
[02:24:41] heat. It's sensing the heat. You have I
[02:24:43] Well, it's IR, but like you think of
[02:24:45] like green. So, you think about through
[02:24:47] Yeah.
[02:24:47] >> So, that's like amplification of light,
[02:24:49] a little bit of heat.
[02:24:50] >> And then you've got full motion video
[02:24:53] >> and then you have sometimes satellites
[02:24:55] which take something like full motion
[02:24:58] video. So, you would say that's clear as
[02:25:00] day because the capability satellite to
[02:25:02] come in and like read a Coke can they
[02:25:04] used to say in the '8s? Sure. Okay. So
[02:25:06] that exists and
[02:25:10] so what you're looking for is full
[02:25:12] motion video.
[02:25:13] >> There's this there's this video. Sorry
[02:25:14] to interrupt you, but there's this video
[02:25:16] of and this gets brought up a lot in
[02:25:18] these discussions and these debates
[02:25:20] >> coming in from space.
[02:25:22] >> No, there's this video of a jet sort of
[02:25:24] uh fending off a Russian attack or
[02:25:26] something, right? And it's like blasting
[02:25:27] something, but it's so clear. It's like
[02:25:29] the clearest 4K footage you can see. And
[02:25:32] we're seeing this from an airplane. Wow.
[02:25:34] And yet the footage that we get is like
[02:25:38] uh
[02:25:38] >> why do why do you think that is? Can you
[02:25:39] say the words I immaculate constellation
[02:25:41] with me?
[02:25:42] >> Sure. Yeah.
[02:25:42] >> Okay. So why do you think that is?
[02:25:44] >> Because of immaculate constellation.
[02:25:47] >> I
[02:25:47] >> I'm [ __ ] with you right now.
[02:25:48] >> I I don't know. I don't know why. And
[02:25:51] that's part of the question is like why
[02:25:52] are we getting this grainy infrared, you
[02:25:55] know, FMV when there exists footage like
[02:26:00] this? There should be.
[02:26:01] >> Let me walk you through it. It's real
[02:26:02] [ __ ] simple. Okay. So
[02:26:05] once thing So I I get calls I I got a
[02:26:08] call for I need to walk you through it
[02:26:09] if you want to know the answer.
[02:26:10] >> I absolutely do.
[02:26:11] >> Here we go. Um so I get calls from kids
[02:26:15] and they're their one sole job is to
[02:26:19] look at live feeds of Reaper drones and
[02:26:22] they work at I don't know Wright
[02:26:24] Patterson let's say it's a good place
[02:26:25] generic. They do a lot of that there.
[02:26:28] And these kids will say to me, "Holy
[02:26:31] [ __ ] um, you're so reachable." And I'm
[02:26:33] like, "Yeah, that's the point." And
[02:26:34] they're like, "Well, check it out. Um,
[02:26:36] first time in my career, I know I'm
[02:26:38] young, but like, you know, for 10 years
[02:26:40] I've been, you know, had this job and
[02:26:42] this is the first time in 10 years when
[02:26:44] we saw clear as day
[02:26:48] discs, UFOs
[02:26:50] and they were doing this crazy [ __ ]
[02:26:52] [ __ ] and there was a whole bunch of them
[02:26:55] and we we don't know how to classify
[02:26:57] them. What do you write?
[02:26:59] So, we debated inside of this skiff for
[02:27:04] 3 4 hours. We finally come up with the
[02:27:07] designation and we're writing it down
[02:27:10] and we just want to replay it one more
[02:27:11] time. And for the first time in 10
[02:27:15] years, you normally can go back in
[02:27:18] 10-minute chunks. 10-minute chunks.
[02:27:20] 10-minute chunks. Poof. It's not there.
[02:27:26] This is real call
[02:27:26] >> in real time.
[02:27:28] >> Almost real time. I go back to thinking
[02:27:31] what Matthew Brown said. if he's telling
[02:27:33] us the way it is and if he's right which
[02:27:36] are two different things. The way it is
[02:27:37] is he understand if he's right and he
[02:27:39] said that we now have sophisticated ways
[02:27:42] this is the smallest thing he said to
[02:27:46] extract that data
[02:27:48] >> right
[02:27:48] >> so that it does right now I'm going to
[02:27:50] answer your question but go with me here
[02:27:51] I'm going to give you one more example
[02:27:53] real world so during the height of the
[02:28:00] um drone incursions on the east coast
[02:28:02] there is a sensitive
[02:28:05] critical infrastructure
[02:28:07] facility that has to do with energy.
[02:28:11] And I got word that there was lifting
[02:28:15] out of the water in a bay with cameras
[02:28:18] near this facility that were so high
[02:28:20] definition that it's like perfect
[02:28:22] footage cuz you need security at this
[02:28:24] facility
[02:28:26] and a pyramid comes up pyramid by
[02:28:29] triangular by angle of observation.
[02:28:30] Pyramid in shape.
[02:28:32] >> Okay. like a like a tetrahedron.
[02:28:35] >> It lifts
[02:28:36] >> three sided pyramid
[02:28:37] >> lifts up out of the water,
[02:28:39] rotates, I think that's 90°,
[02:28:43] goes over this base and hovers for maybe
[02:28:47] 10 hours.
[02:28:48] >> Whoa.
[02:28:49] >> Goes back goes into the water and
[02:28:52] there's what's called the honey well
[02:28:53] system. Okay. at this that is used by
[02:28:56] department of energy and then the honey
[02:28:58] well system sits this file and it's like
[02:28:59] burning a hole in the brain of a num a
[02:29:03] number of people remember during the
[02:29:04] height of all this. So George and I we
[02:29:07] contact FBI because they we see in the
[02:29:10] papers they they're being stonewalled
[02:29:13] and we say look we have an individual
[02:29:17] who knows that you're being stonewalled
[02:29:20] and thinks you need something.
[02:29:23] this person's in agreement that they
[02:29:24] trust me and George, so we better not
[02:29:27] [ __ ] this up. If there's no
[02:29:29] repercussions, he wants to do the right
[02:29:31] thing for America. Then you guys in the
[02:29:34] FBI, can we do this dance? And finally,
[02:29:37] it's like, yes, we can do this dance.
[02:29:40] And the second that they said, yes, we
[02:29:41] can do this dance. And I go for this
[02:29:44] dance to be done. And this is like
[02:29:47] >> high high trust
[02:29:49] >> that I have.
[02:29:50] >> Yeah. with somebody I I care about and
[02:29:52] love.
[02:29:53] >> Understood.
[02:29:54] >> Okay.
[02:29:56] When the agreement is made
[02:30:00] that footage is doesn't go missing. It's
[02:30:04] taken from that system
[02:30:07] and I just found out
[02:30:09] by the do.
[02:30:12] So think about that. I'm setting you up
[02:30:14] for your answer now. Okay? Think about
[02:30:16] it.
[02:30:17] So, where does all why are we not seeing
[02:30:20] the good footage is your basic question.
[02:30:21] Everybody wants to know that. Why are we
[02:30:23] not seeing the full motion video?
[02:30:24] Satellite full motion. That's part of
[02:30:26] it. Full motion video. What you're
[02:30:28] looking for is FMV, full motion video
[02:30:31] from a satellite. Highfidelity you call
[02:30:34] it.
[02:30:35] Color, day or night, doesn't matter.
[02:30:37] Color clear.
[02:30:40] A craft. Let's say a craft.
[02:30:44] Why don't you see it? Well, George and I
[02:30:47] have given you 13 assets. What's
[02:30:50] different about those 13 assets?
[02:30:53] The number of people that have access to
[02:30:57] those 13 assets or whatever
[02:31:01] is very small for most of it, but it
[02:31:05] gets bigger and bigger
[02:31:06] >> when things get when products get
[02:31:08] delivered in search of answers outside
[02:31:11] of the intelligence community.
[02:31:12] >> Sure. But that highfidelity [ __ ] how
[02:31:15] many people do you think not only a have
[02:31:19] visual access to it, B would ever break
[02:31:23] their oath about [ __ ] anything.
[02:31:27] Now we're getting a small population.
[02:31:29] >> Mhm.
[02:31:30] >> C have cause to break it. Smaller.
[02:31:35] D thinks about breaking it.
[02:31:40] And finally, what comes after D?
[02:31:43] a [ __ ]
[02:31:45] e
[02:31:49] takes the risk
[02:31:51] personally
[02:31:54] to give that to a journalist who never
[02:31:56] [ __ ] asked for it. Now we're talking
[02:32:00] about
[02:32:01] almost nobody.
[02:32:03] >> Yeah. One person.
[02:32:04] >> So why aren't you seeing it, Chris?
[02:32:06] >> Because the pool is tiny. Unless there's
[02:32:11] some mandate to be honest. Now, why
[02:32:14] would there ever be a mandate to be
[02:32:15] honest about UFOs? Because after that,
[02:32:19] >> all we need is one, man. It feels like
[02:32:21] >> No, no, but you're wrong.
[02:32:23] >> 5 hour video of a pyramid floating over
[02:32:25] the Department of Energy.
[02:32:26] >> That's just ours.
[02:32:27] >> I mean, that's ours.
[02:32:28] >> No, that's what I'm like, dude. There
[02:32:30] are so many ways to puncture the truth.
[02:32:33] >> Oh, I see it.
[02:32:33] >> It doesn't matter what you do. I I'm
[02:32:35] saying to everybody I've never solicited
[02:32:37] in my life. I'm telling everybody, don't
[02:32:40] do it.
[02:32:41] >> There's other ways the truth can come
[02:32:43] out. We don't need our government and
[02:32:45] our military to figure out the truth.
[02:32:47] They don't [ __ ] know the truth.
[02:32:48] >> Yeah.
[02:32:49] >> And that's the that's the bottom line.
[02:32:50] Bottom line is what do you tell people
[02:32:53] if you don't know? And what if
[02:32:55] >> That's true. Yeah.
[02:32:56] >> What if you kick a sleeping dog? What
[02:32:58] happens then? What does the dog do to
[02:32:59] you?
[02:33:00] >> Yeah. Bites you.
[02:33:01] >> Did that answer your question?
[02:33:03] >> Pretty much.
[02:33:03] >> Okay.
[02:33:04] >> In a way. Not I'm not satisfied, but it
[02:33:06] answered my question. Well, you don't
[02:33:07] you don't Chris, you don't Okay, here we
[02:33:08] go. You don't see it because there's so
[02:33:10] many limited people that actually have
[02:33:12] access to that that have motivation.
[02:33:13] Then will
[02:33:14] >> No, I know. And you would you eloquently
[02:33:16] answered that question. I find myself
[02:33:18] frustrated regardless of the answer.
[02:33:19] >> Well, join the [ __ ] club.
[02:33:20] >> I know. Um I'm not even that that
[02:33:23] frustrated. I'm vocalizing the
[02:33:25] frustration of people, you know, who
[02:33:27] have come before me. Um I'm actually I'm
[02:33:30] just happy to talk about it to be
[02:33:32] honest. Like a story like that,
[02:33:33] especially with a floating pyramid. I
[02:33:35] mean, sure, seeing the actual thing
[02:33:37] would like rock my world, but a story
[02:33:38] like that for me kind of has the same
[02:33:41] effect. I go, "Oh my god." Like that is
[02:33:43] >> Chris, when people see UFOs for
[02:33:44] themselves, undeniably, does it rock
[02:33:46] their world?
[02:33:47] >> I would think so.
[02:33:49] >> Sometimes it really doesn't, Chris.
[02:33:50] >> Yeah. Well, sometimes it does.
[02:33:52] >> Okay, fair enough. Touche, as they say
[02:33:55] in sword fighting.
[02:33:56] >> Um,
[02:33:58] okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, this is a really
[02:34:01] good question by Kane. Kazane. Cool
[02:34:04] name, Kazane.
[02:34:06] >> Thank your mama and papa.
[02:34:09] God, man, you make me whenever I see
[02:34:11] [ __ ] you got, it makes me want one.
[02:34:14] >> I'll give you the link.
[02:34:14] >> What the heck?
[02:34:15] >> Do you feel there's any information that
[02:34:18] you or George have kept from each other?
[02:34:21] Or is it all full transparency?
[02:34:24] >> We keep stuff from each other to protect
[02:34:26] one another um seldomly but assuredly.
[02:34:33] Cool. Interesting. I I would love to I
[02:34:36] would love to ask George that question
[02:34:38] one day, too. See if he has the same
[02:34:40] answer. He goes, "No, of course not."
[02:34:43] Because of an open book. No. No. I I I
[02:34:45] would assume he does, too.
[02:34:46] >> You might say that.
[02:34:48] >> Um, this is one we kind of answered
[02:34:51] during the podcast, but I thought it was
[02:34:53] >> with a kick with a quick sand for some
[02:34:55] someone once said to me.
[02:34:58] >> This is by TH Perry.
[02:35:00] They literally say to you sometimes like
[02:35:02] some of the intel guys when they're
[02:35:04] working against you. They warn you
[02:35:06] before and they say hollow mirrors man.
[02:35:10] Nothing is as it appears.
[02:35:13] >> How you doing?
[02:35:14] >> I mean I'm just like [ __ ]
[02:35:16] >> What do you do with that man? Okay go
[02:35:18] ahead.
[02:35:18] >> Um what do you think really happened to
[02:35:21] General Mccasand th Perry? Okay, now
[02:35:24] we're getting into speculative territory
[02:35:26] because
[02:35:26] >> I I know that you can't answer that
[02:35:28] because you have no idea.
[02:35:30] >> Um, but
[02:35:32] >> what's your gut say?
[02:35:33] >> Well, that he's missing.
[02:35:35] >> Yeah.
[02:35:35] >> Um,
[02:35:37] something bad happened to him.
[02:35:38] >> Oh, yeah.
[02:35:40] >> If you mean by being murdered bad? Yes.
[02:35:44] I I believe he was murdered. I I do. Um,
[02:35:47] and I have cause to believe that.
[02:35:49] >> What cause?
[02:35:55] people that know far more about it than
[02:35:58] I do who I trust and shouldn't have um
[02:36:04] mentioned [ __ ] to me.
[02:36:06] That's all I got for you, man.
[02:36:08] >> Okay.
[02:36:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm So, let me back up.
[02:36:11] Um
[02:36:14] >> man, that's a real human, man.
[02:36:15] >> Yeah. with with real family and there's
[02:36:18] a pattern of people disappearing and
[02:36:21] their bodies being found later. Um
[02:36:25] because exposure often times masks
[02:36:29] causality of death. Um and it's [ __ ]
[02:36:33] up and there are cases the public
[02:36:35] doesn't know about and George and I are
[02:36:39] on a couple of them
[02:36:41] and some of them are older,
[02:36:44] right? But um it's a pattern and it's
[02:36:47] it's really gnarly. And I will say that
[02:36:51] um there are people who if they weren't
[02:36:54] dead were willing to testify
[02:36:58] um and they would have testified
[02:37:02] um
[02:37:04] and I don't know like you would probably
[02:37:07] >> Well, you mentioned that in the movie.
[02:37:08] >> I did
[02:37:09] >> that someone
[02:37:10] >> I did. Yeah.
[02:37:11] >> Yeah. There's a few people, but um a
[02:37:13] couple things burn in the back of my
[02:37:15] brain and I don't know if they're
[02:37:18] related, but it's horrible [ __ ]
[02:37:20] timing.
[02:37:22] >> Do you feel a sense of like personal
[02:37:25] guilt for that?
[02:37:26] >> No. No, I'm not close to um those cases.
[02:37:30] Okay. um personally and my wife told me
[02:37:33] um you make your own decisions and you
[02:37:37] have to um
[02:37:40] you have to contend with that. You have
[02:37:42] to wrestle with that, but other people
[02:37:43] make their own decisions
[02:37:46] and they're full on adults and they have
[02:37:49] to contend with that.
[02:37:50] >> That's right.
[02:37:51] >> So, I can't hold that and I'm not
[02:37:53] personally close to any of those cases.
[02:37:55] I've been asked to be close to them and
[02:37:57] I I don't feel it's right for a number
[02:38:00] of reasons.
[02:38:01] >> Sure. Well, that's good advice that your
[02:38:03] wife gave you.
[02:38:04] >> Yeah.
[02:38:04] >> Tell you that
[02:38:05] >> she's a mystic.
[02:38:09] >> Um, this one I think is on everybody's
[02:38:13] mind. So, we'll go with this one here.
[02:38:16] Everybody's butt mine or something.
[02:38:19] >> Planet Earth, the greatest show in the
[02:38:21] solar system.
[02:38:26] cause. Can you tell us more about the
[02:38:28] claim that the government will falsely
[02:38:30] say that a craft is slowly making its
[02:38:32] way to Earth?
[02:38:32] >> Oh [ __ ]
[02:38:34] >> This is
[02:38:34] >> Can I say more than I already said? Is
[02:38:37] that what you're asking?
[02:38:38] Yeah, you kind of said, you know, that
[02:38:40] you were told in some capacity that a
[02:38:43] craft would well that uh uh certain
[02:38:47] people would alarm us about some
[02:38:52] impending, you know,
[02:38:54] >> I sure did [ __ ] say that in January.
[02:38:57] Yeah. Back
[02:38:58] >> right right before um
[02:38:59] >> six months before
[02:39:01] >> uh the uh ThreeI Atlas
[02:39:03] >> became popularly understood.
[02:39:05] >> Yeah.
[02:39:06] >> Yeah.
[02:39:08] Can I say more? So, you know, it really
[02:39:10] bothers me. I I've I've said more and
[02:39:12] and I guess I haven't said it loud
[02:39:14] enough or clear enough. Um so, yeah,
[02:39:17] I'll say more again. Um
[02:39:21] you know,
[02:39:22] I've already said how I came to that
[02:39:25] conclusion. I've said it a billion
[02:39:26] times. I'm not hiding anything about how
[02:39:28] I came to the conclusion. I am not
[02:39:29] psychic. I I make the joke I don't know
[02:39:31] when my coffee pot's going to go off
[02:39:33] even when I set the time, you know,
[02:39:35] because I I'm I have no predictive
[02:39:39] ability. Um, the reason I said that is
[02:39:44] because I was pressured
[02:39:46] for a long time for my mouth to be used
[02:39:51] for what I considered a false narrative.
[02:39:54] The false narrative being that there was
[02:39:57] a craft slowly coming making its way to
[02:39:59] Earth. I think they said like 2027 or
[02:40:01] 2036, you know, leave a big window so
[02:40:03] everybody has to [ __ ] guess. And and
[02:40:05] if it doesn't happen in 2027, then you
[02:40:06] know, we have them until 2036. I think
[02:40:09] that is absolute [ __ ] And my cause
[02:40:13] to believe that is the way that I was
[02:40:14] pressured to be used as a megaphone for
[02:40:19] that idea by the intelligence community
[02:40:21] which I have mapped out everybody
[02:40:22] connected to that one specific lie to
[02:40:24] the American public and I just said it
[02:40:28] out loud when I was in front of [ __ ]
[02:40:29] cameras because I can't be you know
[02:40:32] what's the words you used um earlier um
[02:40:35] acting sincere. I'm just [ __ ] going
[02:40:37] to say it like but I said I told the guy
[02:40:39] I don't think you want it in this
[02:40:40] [ __ ] show of yours but yet he puts it
[02:40:43] in. Thank you Ryan. You know um so
[02:40:48] >> was the person who told this to you?
[02:40:50] >> There's not a person, brother.
[02:40:51] >> There's multiple people.
[02:40:52] >> Why do you think I would rely on my
[02:40:54] intuition?
[02:40:55] >> Were any of those people ever on this
[02:40:57] podcast?
[02:40:58] >> I have no idea who's on your podcast.
[02:40:59] Bring out the book. I'd have to No. You
[02:41:01] know what? Let's not play that game
[02:41:03] because here's the deal. I already know
[02:41:05] your question and um not overtly no to
[02:41:09] answer your question. Um but I've heard
[02:41:11] from other people
[02:41:13] >> that that was said overtly.
[02:41:14] >> Same information.
[02:41:15] >> Same information. But you have to
[02:41:16] understand there's a there's a mosaic of
[02:41:19] people who tried to have influence over
[02:41:22] me to say that with
[02:41:24] >> the same message
[02:41:26] >> the ex bro down to the down to the point
[02:41:28] where I have a catalog of seven books
[02:41:30] that I will not read because I've mapped
[02:41:33] out the network of people who have who
[02:41:36] said it and it's almost as if I could go
[02:41:38] through my memory and type in a word.
[02:41:41] >> Do you think a lobe was
[02:41:43] >> implicated in this as well? It's almost
[02:41:45] as if I could go into my memory and type
[02:41:48] in a word and cross reference 11 plus
[02:41:52] years of what's been said to me. So, I
[02:41:54] know exactly the mosaic of that
[02:41:57] information. I do not trust it
[02:42:01] >> to be actual and real. In fact, I know
[02:42:03] the origin of at least the mythology
[02:42:05] which comes from a 70s classified
[02:42:07] document. Now, let's back up for one
[02:42:09] second, which is this.
[02:42:13] I could be [ __ ] wrong.
[02:42:15] >> Right.
[02:42:15] >> That's mine and George's joke. Like, you
[02:42:17] know, I am adamant.
[02:42:18] >> You you you have a gut instinct
[02:42:20] >> beyond a gut.
[02:42:21] >> Yeah. Well, a a journalistic um
[02:42:24] >> bang
[02:42:25] >> uh uh u not instinct, but I would say
[02:42:27] maybe uh
[02:42:29] intuition.
[02:42:31] >> This ain't my first rodeo. And I've seen
[02:42:32] this movie before. Now, now hold on one
[02:42:35] second, which is that, you know, [ __ ]
[02:42:36] I'm really trying to tell people I don't
[02:42:38] have information that you don't have.
[02:42:41] But yeah, I just um look, and again, if
[02:42:43] I'm wrong, who [ __ ] cares? It'd be
[02:42:44] the greatest day of my life. I would
[02:42:46] love to be wrong about that
[02:42:48] >> cuz it sounds a lot like what you know
[02:42:51] you you can't help but overlap
[02:42:54] the sort of blue beam
[02:42:58] you know narrative that that uh Steven
[02:43:01] Greer has been talking about as well
[02:43:03] where the government's going to you know
[02:43:06] fake an impending alien invasion in
[02:43:09] order to you know take away more rights
[02:43:11] for the American people
[02:43:12] >> do that
[02:43:13] >> um well I mean isn't at kind of what
[02:43:16] they're doing when when you have people
[02:43:18] from these agencies who are the
[02:43:20] government telling you that there's an
[02:43:21] invasion coming. Isn't that one step
[02:43:23] away from faking an alien invasion?
[02:43:25] >> Well, no, but that could also be
[02:43:27] personal belief based on personal
[02:43:30] >> Are you saying they believe it? I I I'm
[02:43:33] leaving open the possibility
[02:43:35] >> that the reason this messaging has
[02:43:36] percolated to yours and my ears and the
[02:43:39] public's is because that's a
[02:43:41] personalized assessment based on the
[02:43:44] information that they have.
[02:43:45] >> Um it could be that, right? I don't know
[02:43:48] cuz no one would talk to me straight
[02:43:50] about it. You know, I have straight up
[02:43:51] asked people and it's all like that
[02:43:53] weird intelligent [ __ ] where they're not
[02:43:55] saying nothing and trying to say
[02:43:57] something but saying nothing
[02:43:59] >> and it feels like just passage material.
[02:44:02] >> I don't know. But I would I would tell
[02:44:04] you this. You're never going to be told
[02:44:07] the truth straight by any government
[02:44:12] agency. And not just cuz they don't know
[02:44:14] it because their job is to shape the
[02:44:17] emerging UAP narrative to be able to
[02:44:20] utilize truth and untruth to their
[02:44:23] behest. That is the goal.
[02:44:25] >> And what's your goal?
[02:44:26] >> My goal in what?
[02:44:28] >> When their goal is to shape the
[02:44:30] narrative, what's your goal? Oh, my goal
[02:44:34] is to try to dig as deep as I can and
[02:44:40] find out what the truth is. That's my
[02:44:43] goal.
[02:44:45] >> Jeremy Corbel, thank you, brother,
[02:44:50] >> friend.
[02:44:52] >> Thank you, friend. Yeah,
[02:44:53] >> appreciate you and I appreciate you
[02:44:55] coming here and opening up and and uh
[02:44:57] yeah, wishing you lots of luck and
[02:44:59] safety and health with uh the rest of
[02:45:02] your journey.
[02:45:03] >> Hope. Okay. My hope is that this is the
[02:45:07] last time that I ever have to do an
[02:45:10] interview
[02:45:12] where
[02:45:15] I feel stress and pressure
[02:45:20] in trying to limit my words, man.
[02:45:24] Because my goal is to um live a
[02:45:28] different life now. Um I don't want to
[02:45:31] play this game anymore.
[02:45:34] Yeah,
[02:45:34] >> fair enough.
[02:45:35] >> All right.
[02:45:36] >> No, wishing you all the best.
[02:45:37] >> Thanks, brother.