[00:00:00.880] And we will hear testimony today
[00:00:02.480] concerning recent revelations about a
[00:00:04.400] purportedly secret UAP program whose
[00:00:07.200] existence and findings may have been
[00:00:09.519] improperly withheld from Congress. This
[00:00:12.160] is going to be uh the original document
[00:00:15.440] about Immaculate Constellation. Those of
[00:00:18.400] us who have been following this very
[00:00:20.000] closely have been hearing whispers of
[00:00:21.760] the words Immaculate Constellation for a
[00:00:24.400] few months now. the Immaculate
[00:00:26.199] Constellation. It's a UAP reconnaissance
[00:00:28.960] program. I can affirm this 100%. What is
[00:00:32.239] in here is wild. I mean, there's, and
[00:00:34.079] I'm paraphrasing, but reports of F-22s
[00:00:36.160] getting like boxed in by flying orbs
[00:00:38.160] that they couldn't shake. There were
[00:00:39.360] satellite images or satellite image of a
[00:00:41.760] a football fieldsized flying saucer
[00:00:44.640] hiding in clouds. I have personally
[00:00:46.800] walked people into members offices for
[00:00:49.600] private meetings so they could see eye
[00:00:51.520] to eye and they could meet. You are the
[00:00:53.960] author of what the world knows as the
[00:00:57.440] immaculate constellation report. It has
[00:01:01.520] been allowed to corrupt and infest every
[00:01:04.720] aspect of our society uh to serve the
[00:01:07.840] interests and whims of a very elite
[00:01:10.960] select few.
[00:01:18.080] The following is an interview with the
[00:01:19.680] author of the Immaculate Constellation
[00:01:21.439] report that was submitted into
[00:01:23.200] congressional record. Is it ironic you
[00:01:25.680] have to put your face out with us to
[00:01:28.320] protect yourself at that at this point?
[00:01:30.479] That's what we're doing, right? Yeah,
[00:01:32.159] that's what we're doing. This is
[00:01:34.240] absolutely what I uh did not want to do.
[00:01:37.920] You've worked in secret programs. You've
[00:01:39.680] got clearances. You've made oaths that
[00:01:42.159] you would keep secrets. Um, let's talk
[00:01:44.799] about secrecy and the UAP topic.
[00:01:47.119] Shouldn't it be secret to some degree? I
[00:01:48.960] mean, we have uh there's a race for the
[00:01:50.720] technology to try to understand it. We
[00:01:52.640] have adversary nations who'd love to get
[00:01:54.560] it ahead of us. Why not keep this stuff
[00:01:56.880] secret?
[00:01:59.040] Well, if it was just technology that we
[00:02:01.439] are worried about protecting and
[00:02:03.200] maintaining a military advantage, uh,
[00:02:06.479] you know, there's strong arguments to be
[00:02:08.560] made and have successfully been made for
[00:02:10.560] decades in this country that the
[00:02:13.280] American leadership and American people
[00:02:15.200] seem to be finding acceptable to be left
[00:02:17.920] in the dark about, you know, where
[00:02:20.000] science, technology, and their military
[00:02:21.680] is taking them. This isn't just
[00:02:23.120] technology. This isn't something
[00:02:25.040] somebody came up with in a lab and it's
[00:02:27.520] sensitive because once the cats have the
[00:02:29.599] bag, anybody can do it. Fundamentally,
[00:02:31.840] this comes from and is secondary to the
[00:02:36.239] what we've been told is the biggest
[00:02:37.760] question which is is humanity alone? The
[00:02:40.480] answer is no. Uh and the secrecy that
[00:02:45.680] has been defended
[00:02:48.239] uh is at the cost of in my mind human
[00:02:50.800] dignity, freedom and progress.
[00:02:53.560] And it is no longer permissible or
[00:02:56.560] acceptable in my mind to uh to continue
[00:02:59.120] this course to deprive another
[00:03:02.000] generation of not just Americans but
[00:03:04.000] humanity of their birthright to know who
[00:03:07.200] they are, where they came from, and
[00:03:09.920] what's with us. Could you give us a
[00:03:12.239] general description of the size of the
[00:03:14.319] secrecy apparatus? You know, we're going
[00:03:16.159] to drill down into this, of course,
[00:03:17.599] about incon
[00:03:19.920] um in one particular uh facet of the
[00:03:22.640] secrecy that you came across and other
[00:03:24.720] parts of it, but how big of a secrecy
[00:03:26.800] apparatus is it? How many stove pipes
[00:03:29.040] are there? How many people are involved
[00:03:30.560] in different ways of keeping this
[00:03:32.640] secret, confusing the public, lying to
[00:03:35.280] Congress, lying to the world? Simply
[00:03:38.319] put, it's a parallel reality. Um the
[00:03:42.720] secrecy apparatus
[00:03:44.920] uh is all pervasive. It is not just in
[00:03:49.120] the intelligence community governing
[00:03:50.879] their world. It's not just in the
[00:03:52.319] military protecting their operations.
[00:03:54.080] It's not protecting diplomats and
[00:03:56.159] leaders as they conduct their work
[00:03:58.239] sometimes in very dangerous places. It
[00:04:01.280] has been allowed to corrupt and infest
[00:04:04.720] every aspect of our society uh to serve
[00:04:07.840] the interests and whims of a very elite
[00:04:11.200] select few. And it's been used to
[00:04:13.640] intimidate, threaten, destroy the lives
[00:04:16.799] of people like yourselves who have been
[00:04:18.560] doing their job, keeping their oaths,
[00:04:21.519] trying to protect their country, being
[00:04:23.440] true to humanity and and have paid
[00:04:25.680] prices for it. Absolutely.
[00:04:30.639] This has been um a difficult process for
[00:04:33.919] you um for me and you, you know, kind of
[00:04:36.960] going through this. I I've seen what
[00:04:38.880] you've gone through personally with
[00:04:40.240] this. Um you're taking a a personal hit,
[00:04:44.720] like a a painful risk just talking to
[00:04:47.600] us, just doing this finally after all
[00:04:49.520] this time. I think I understand why
[00:04:52.080] you're explaining something
[00:04:53.040] philosophical what you believe about the
[00:04:55.360] secrecy just personally like what what
[00:04:59.120] is the step for you to do this like why
[00:05:01.199] I I I need to understand why why are you
[00:05:03.919] telling this to everybody now now
[00:05:08.720] there's no short answer it's something
[00:05:10.880] you know I I
[00:05:12.440] have many uh not even competing but
[00:05:15.400] parallel motivations but why now
[00:05:24.199] uh look out at the
[00:05:27.000] world. Look inside our country. We are
[00:05:31.880] not headed to a good future. You're
[00:05:35.840] concerned. I am. Explain the concern.
[00:05:39.919] Uh
[00:05:43.440] ultimately my biggest fear is what
[00:05:47.759] humanity will do to itself out of fear
[00:05:49.840] and greed and what we have done.
[00:05:53.960] And we have
[00:05:56.360] built a prison around ourselves. It's
[00:06:00.360] invisible but it's not complete. And
[00:06:04.319] there is still time to maybe alter our
[00:06:07.919] trajectory. have a different future. May
[00:06:10.880] not be the best one that we had hoped
[00:06:13.120] for, but it's going to be damn side
[00:06:16.240] better than what they have planned for
[00:06:17.840] us. You know, there's no going back
[00:06:19.440] after you tell us this on camera. We had
[00:06:21.759] this conversation. There's this is it.
[00:06:23.759] This is the line in the sand. You're
[00:06:25.199] about to cross over here. Absolutely. I
[00:06:27.840] am uh on a personal level giving up the
[00:06:30.720] future that I made for myself and was
[00:06:34.639] going to try to make for a family.
[00:06:38.840] Um, I'm proud of what I accomplished in
[00:06:41.680] my time in government and it's painful
[00:06:44.160] to leave the good people there and to
[00:06:46.800] know that
[00:06:49.560] uh there really isn't room for people to
[00:06:53.319] act according to their conscience and
[00:06:56.479] our constitutional ideals on the inside.
[00:07:00.720] Is it your belief based on materials,
[00:07:03.599] things that you've been exposed to, that
[00:07:05.759] you've seen, people you've talked to and
[00:07:07.520] communicated with over a period of a
[00:07:09.280] couple of years? Is it your belief that
[00:07:10.560] this the technology, the race for the
[00:07:12.720] technology, the understanding of the big
[00:07:14.840] secret is entirely in the hands of
[00:07:17.759] people outside the government and not
[00:07:20.000] for the benefit of the public or to
[00:07:22.000] protect American national security? It's
[00:07:24.479] it's in some other realm, in some other
[00:07:26.400] hands. I think it's a mix. Um you know I
[00:07:29.840] think our military you know has a long
[00:07:32.880] historic involvement in this. So does
[00:07:34.639] our intelligence community and our
[00:07:36.080] scientific academic
[00:07:37.880] community. We have as a country allowed
[00:07:42.319] ourselves to be penetrated, co-opted and
[00:07:44.560] corrupted by an
[00:07:48.120] internationalist force that serves their
[00:07:51.280] interests and views nations,
[00:07:54.360] peoples as as tools and means to an end.
[00:07:59.120] like a business cabal international
[00:08:01.680] corporations that have no loyalty to any
[00:08:03.680] nation, let alone this one. That's a
[00:08:05.360] large part of it. I think uh we go have
[00:08:07.759] to go above that too to start to explain
[00:08:10.919] that the degree of the level of
[00:08:13.879] deception and the level of commitment
[00:08:16.319] they've had to maintaining that
[00:08:17.520] deception. It's above just monetary gain
[00:08:21.280] and power. They're afraid. George and I
[00:08:23.520] have talked about whistleblowers that
[00:08:24.800] come to us and we protect them. We don't
[00:08:27.759] often report on when people come to us.
[00:08:30.639] Um we're doing this now. You know what
[00:08:33.599] are the repercussions? What people talk
[00:08:35.919] about whistlers being afraid and there's
[00:08:38.080] one set of being afraid which is uh when
[00:08:40.159] you're squeezed by outside entities you
[00:08:42.240] know that are [ __ ] with you which has
[00:08:44.320] happened to you and we'll talk about
[00:08:45.360] that. But what are the just the legal
[00:08:47.839] implications of what you're about to
[00:08:49.120] talk to us today? Tell me the gravity
[00:08:51.279] right now. What are you facing? Well, I
[00:08:54.080] want our audience to understand what it
[00:08:55.839] means for you to talk to us right now.
[00:08:57.360] What could happen to you? My uh hope is
[00:09:00.160] that the
[00:09:01.800] stakes are uh not paid out. Um but they
[00:09:08.399] are life imprisonment and the
[00:09:10.399] possibility of execution.
[00:09:12.560] And you've tried all the right ways.
[00:09:14.880] I've helped you on some of it. We've
[00:09:16.800] tried You have tried all the right way
[00:09:19.279] right ways to do this. But you have
[00:09:21.200] something much bigger that that is
[00:09:23.279] pushing on you that you have to take
[00:09:25.440] this next step forward. And so now I I
[00:09:28.240] just want people to understand where
[00:09:29.760] you're coming from. When we say we
[00:09:31.120] protect whistlebl.
[00:09:40.720] Yeah. Let's do uh chronological. So you
[00:09:43.360] got a degree in what? Uh so I got a
[00:09:46.480] degree in international affairs, came
[00:09:48.399] out to DC, started working in a small
[00:09:51.279] think tank. Uh from there I uh applied
[00:09:55.200] to and was accepted to a intelligence
[00:09:57.560] agency. Ended up taking a job uh at the
[00:10:00.480] at the Pentagon. Um basically waiting
[00:10:03.519] for the right opportunity for that world
[00:10:07.040] to to pop up. Um, what was which when it
[00:10:10.080] did uh I you know was having too much
[00:10:14.320] fun so I said no. You're in the
[00:10:16.920] Pentagon weapons of mass destruction as
[00:10:19.519] a general umbrella under which you're
[00:10:21.600] you're working. Did you got a security
[00:10:23.360] clearance at that point? Yeah, I had
[00:10:25.360] been cleared by DIA for a top secret uh
[00:10:29.120] SEI clearance. You get to see, I guess,
[00:10:32.000] firsthand all this different information
[00:10:34.480] that comes in from all over these
[00:10:35.920] places, different platforms, right?
[00:10:38.160] You're exposed to that and you get an
[00:10:39.600] idea of just how big that apparatus is.
[00:10:42.079] Yes. Yes. Absolutely.
[00:10:45.240] Um, UFOs and aliens aside, it's a it
[00:10:48.720] it's a different world without anything
[00:10:50.480] exotic in it when you are exposed and to
[00:10:53.839] that information and learning over time,
[00:10:55.519] not just from the intelligence, but the
[00:10:57.600] experiences of the people around you cuz
[00:10:59.600] uh not everything that's true and has
[00:11:01.440] happened in the world is written down on
[00:11:02.880] paper. I mean, you're given a lot of
[00:11:04.720] roles and responsibilities. It gives you
[00:11:06.320] access to very sensitive information.
[00:11:08.800] When you said SCI, that's secret
[00:11:10.640] compartmentalized information is the
[00:11:12.399] acronym. sensitive compartmentalized
[00:11:14.959] information. I always Yeah, it's
[00:11:16.240] probably right. So, you'd know better
[00:11:17.920] than I mean, but I'm just saying, you
[00:11:20.480] know, you are a a sane human being.
[00:11:23.680] You're given a lot of these
[00:11:25.320] responsibilities. Um, you know, you I I
[00:11:28.640] just think it's important for people to
[00:11:29.920] understand. So, you have access to very
[00:11:32.240] critical information through the United
[00:11:33.600] States government. They're separate from
[00:11:34.720] the UFOs and the alien, you know, topic
[00:11:37.120] that we're going to talk about for the
[00:11:38.640] world. For the world, for the US and the
[00:11:40.160] world. Yes. And and that weighs heavy on
[00:11:41.839] you, I'm sure. like you're you're really
[00:11:43.680] looking to defend the United States of
[00:11:45.279] America where you live and you are
[00:11:47.519] looking at information that is just
[00:11:49.760] highly sensitive. I think it's important
[00:11:51.040] for people to know good people like you
[00:11:52.959] doing great jobs in there. You had
[00:11:54.720] access and responsibilities. People
[00:11:56.959] trust you and that that's you can't get
[00:12:00.079] there without that. It is
[00:12:02.680] um yeah it's a very
[00:12:06.440] uh burdensome uh role. I I feel deeply
[00:12:10.880] for the people who have been there for
[00:12:12.160] many years. Um there's a lot of hidden
[00:12:15.600] suffering that comes from it, but it is
[00:12:17.360] a you know I I thought it was a noble
[00:12:20.480] and good mission. I still do. And risks
[00:12:23.279] I I imagine there's all kinds of
[00:12:24.800] information that comes across your desk
[00:12:26.399] and that desk of other people you're
[00:12:27.839] working with at that point about weapons
[00:12:29.360] of mass destruction. The movement of
[00:12:31.600] nuclear weapons or suddenly material
[00:12:33.680] that disappears and where did it go?
[00:12:35.600] Black market. um uh biological weapons
[00:12:39.639] research, things that are going on
[00:12:41.440] around the world that we need to keep an
[00:12:42.880] eye on, right? And things that never
[00:12:44.880] make the news.
[00:12:46.800] Uh you're absolutely right. Yeah. There
[00:12:48.720] there is uh like I said, there is a
[00:12:52.240] whole many there's many worlds. There's
[00:12:54.560] many shells to our reality that the
[00:12:57.920] public, including our professional media
[00:13:00.399] class, our professional academic class,
[00:13:02.560] our political class, has absolutely no
[00:13:05.279] idea exists. And if they do have an
[00:13:07.760] idea, they have a very distorted one,
[00:13:10.399] sometimes intentionally. So, I mean,
[00:13:12.720] you're not like um some secret agent.
[00:13:14.720] You're not like some secret agent. So,
[00:13:16.320] like so people understand when you're
[00:13:17.920] working in at the Pentagon is where
[00:13:19.440] we're at in the thing. I mean, this is
[00:13:20.959] we have a lot of great people that are
[00:13:22.480] bright-minded working on these problems
[00:13:24.720] for the United States, keeping the
[00:13:26.000] United States safe, looking at
[00:13:27.200] geopolitical aspects of nuclear
[00:13:29.200] weaponry, that kind of thing. But just
[00:13:31.040] to be clear, I mean, you're not like
[00:13:32.240] some secret agent with more access than
[00:13:34.160] anybody else or anything like that. No,
[00:13:36.959] I uh never
[00:13:39.480] uh wanted to be a field officer. I
[00:13:42.800] danced with the idea in in my dreams
[00:13:44.800] maybe and read the books, but uh I knew
[00:13:47.040] that wasn't for me. Um, especially the
[00:13:51.120] the
[00:13:51.800] the task and the cost of befriending and
[00:13:55.600] manipulating and ultimately using
[00:13:57.440] people. Um, I don't think I would have
[00:14:00.560] been very good at that. Like human human
[00:14:02.320] intelligence and false friendship.
[00:14:05.279] Exactly. Does that stuff come across
[00:14:06.720] your desk? Human intelligence signals
[00:14:08.720] intelligence regarding weapons and mass
[00:14:10.800] sources. All sources intelligent. All
[00:14:13.120] sources of intelligence. Um, and then if
[00:14:15.120] there are questions, go ask them and
[00:14:17.279] usually get the answers. And the kinds
[00:14:19.040] of things that you see that come across
[00:14:20.399] your desk, does it give you pause? How
[00:14:22.880] am I going to sleep tonight knowing that
[00:14:24.560] this XYZ is going on somewhere? Um, at
[00:14:28.560] times when they think, "Holy crap, how
[00:14:30.320] did this happen?" Everyone has like
[00:14:32.240] their different standard of what's going
[00:14:34.399] to, you know, shake them like that. And
[00:14:36.240] I've definitely had a few of those. Um,
[00:14:39.360] I won't share them, but Yeah. But I
[00:14:41.040] mean, just with security, very national
[00:14:42.639] security kind of stuff, right? stuff
[00:14:44.079] unrelated to exotic things that are very
[00:14:46.639] gorgeous world out there. Okay. You're
[00:14:48.560] there for a while. You do that for how
[00:14:50.079] many years? Oh, see, I was in there a
[00:14:53.360] little over four years, but I was in the
[00:14:55.120] Pentagon a little over five cuz I moved
[00:14:56.959] uh out of there briefly into uh the
[00:14:59.199] under secretary of defense for
[00:15:00.839] intelligence and a smaller office in
[00:15:04.880] there. We've heard of that office. We
[00:15:06.800] have heard of that office. Um what um
[00:15:09.040] was it a different sort of work or the
[00:15:11.040] same thing just for a different ball?
[00:15:12.480] Same field. uh different work, different
[00:15:14.800] boss, different community. So, you're
[00:15:16.800] working for a contractor, but you're
[00:15:18.320] working at the Pentagon on Pentagon
[00:15:19.920] business. And that's sort of a model
[00:15:21.360] that is used for all kinds of programs,
[00:15:23.839] right? Yeah. Um that's that's the
[00:15:26.639] industry in DC. You have to have a
[00:15:28.959] buffer of some sort. Why Why is it Why
[00:15:32.079] is that necessary? Well, you have
[00:15:33.519] government management and they're
[00:15:35.279] supposed to be the ones that, you know,
[00:15:36.320] they sign the checks, make the final
[00:15:37.920] decisions, but yet most of the staff is
[00:15:42.040] contractors, military people on detail,
[00:15:45.440] people on fellowships from, you know,
[00:15:47.199] either think tanks or universities. Um,
[00:15:50.000] so you get to be familiar with stove
[00:15:52.000] pipes and how, you know, you could be
[00:15:53.920] working on this and the guy may be in
[00:15:55.680] the office next to you or the desk next
[00:15:57.519] to you is working on something else and
[00:15:59.120] you don't know what they're working on.
[00:16:01.360] Yeah. Yeah, I mean that it can be that
[00:16:02.800] way. Uh my experience was more that we
[00:16:05.199] had a team. It was all more or less on
[00:16:07.759] the same information level, but then
[00:16:09.360] there'd be other teams that yeah, they
[00:16:10.639] have their own. So, it's not quite uh as
[00:16:12.880] isolated. I've heard from others it can
[00:16:14.480] be just, you know, it's you and no one
[00:16:17.279] else around you knows what you're doing.
[00:16:18.800] Um you got a company, it's a contractor
[00:16:21.279] that's working there in the Pentagon.
[00:16:22.800] How much oversight is there from the
[00:16:24.480] actual Pentagon, the military of a
[00:16:26.560] contractor's work? Well, I mean the
[00:16:28.160] day-to-day is overseen by the
[00:16:29.440] government. Um, so in that sense it's
[00:16:34.240] it's there. And is that generally true
[00:16:36.399] for all the contractor programs that
[00:16:38.079] we'll be getting into later that
[00:16:39.680] somebody in the military or IC is is
[00:16:42.560] looking at what that contractor does?
[00:16:44.720] No, I couldn't say. Right. Yeah. I could
[00:16:47.519] not say. We got the one degree and then
[00:16:51.040] you you went on to try to get a
[00:16:52.480] master's. Yeah. I uh went to George
[00:16:54.639] Washington University Masters of
[00:16:57.360] Security Policy Study. uh got to the
[00:17:00.000] point where I had a thesis to submit uh
[00:17:02.880] and then I started working at the
[00:17:04.160] Pentagon, took a break and uh kind of
[00:17:07.039] got caught up in the churn as the term
[00:17:08.720] is. Right. I'm curious about just what
[00:17:10.720] it's like to work at the Pentagon. I
[00:17:12.400] mean to think you're driving to work
[00:17:14.640] there. It is the heart and soul of the
[00:17:16.319] national security of our country. Uh
[00:17:18.480] you're doing important work, weapons of
[00:17:20.079] mass destruction in the biggest office
[00:17:22.559] building in the world. Uh I would think
[00:17:25.039] there'd be a lot of satisfaction in
[00:17:26.400] that, but I wonder what daytoday is
[00:17:28.240] like. Are you under surveillance? Do you
[00:17:30.160] have to do polygraphs? Can you tell your
[00:17:32.160] wife what you're doing? Do you uh
[00:17:34.320] socialize with colleagues or do you have
[00:17:36.000] to worry about what you say to whom and
[00:17:38.240] where?
[00:17:40.160] Yeah. So, I mean, starting with the
[00:17:41.520] first part,
[00:17:42.919] um I think for me at least, yeah, it was
[00:17:47.200] what I I finally made it, right? I'm at
[00:17:49.120] I'm working at the Pentagon. Uh I It's
[00:17:52.799] cheesy, but I felt pride pretty much
[00:17:54.960] every single day that I rolled in there.
[00:17:57.760] That's not cheesy. That's awesome. And
[00:17:59.760] uh it was I was very fortunate to join a
[00:18:03.600] uh an office that cared a lot about
[00:18:06.320] their people, not just um their
[00:18:08.960] performance at work, but uh their their
[00:18:12.240] goals, their desires, and how they were
[00:18:14.720] getting on uh with life in general.
[00:18:17.799] Um fewer places are like that. Um but I
[00:18:21.679] look back on that time with a lot of
[00:18:22.960] with a lot of happiness. How do things
[00:18:25.440] begin to sour? Is it because of this
[00:18:27.280] topic that we're going to discuss? Yes.
[00:18:30.559] Let's take it from there. When when does
[00:18:32.000] that start? What what's your first
[00:18:33.840] exposure? I mean, were you like a UFO
[00:18:36.640] guy like before? I mean, like there's
[00:18:38.400] something that happened and there there
[00:18:40.080] was an instigator, right? But it's like
[00:18:42.640] um you know, were you like a UFO guy all
[00:18:45.039] your years back or to some degree? I've
[00:18:48.559] always been interested in aliens and
[00:18:50.559] UFOs, uh secret histories, the things
[00:18:53.840] that are hidden from us. It's been a
[00:18:55.760] lifelong kind of passion. It's not
[00:18:57.600] always aliens, you know. It's while I
[00:19:00.160] was always interested in these things,
[00:19:01.600] they were never they were only a realm
[00:19:05.360] of possible. And when I looked at UFOs
[00:19:08.640] in a serious way as I was more uh in my
[00:19:12.320] like college years, you I got just not
[00:19:15.280] exposure but uh you know started
[00:19:16.880] learning about the sort of ecosystem of
[00:19:19.360] secrecy uh in the military-industrial
[00:19:22.160] complex. uh what saps are, what caps
[00:19:25.360] are, and you you you start to realize
[00:19:27.760] like, oh yeah, there there's a good
[00:19:29.440] chance a lot of what these UFO things
[00:19:31.360] are are some really cool stuff that we
[00:19:33.440] have. Uh whether it's in the air, under
[00:19:35.120] the water, or uh right in front of you.
[00:19:37.840] You're not getting a job at the Pentagon
[00:19:39.440] because you want to get access to the
[00:19:40.880] UFO scenes. No, no. When I joined, I
[00:19:42.880] thought uh you know, I'd pretty much
[00:19:45.200] locked down that you know, there might
[00:19:47.120] be life out there, but most I think most
[00:19:50.400] what we're seeing in the skies at that
[00:19:51.679] time I thought was either ours or uh
[00:19:54.559] ally or adversary. You don't go over the
[00:19:56.320] deep end. You're not going to muon
[00:19:57.840] conferences. Uh you're not wearing a
[00:19:59.520] beanie and alien stuff on your head. No,
[00:20:02.320] no. In fact, uh you know, I would be
[00:20:04.559] looked at like I had a third eye just by
[00:20:06.080] suggesting they were stealth satellites.
[00:20:08.640] I mean, in fact, like you've never been
[00:20:10.240] to like a UFO conference or anything
[00:20:11.760] like that, have you? No. No. Right.
[00:20:13.840] That's not your style. No. You're a very
[00:20:15.919] analytically minded person. That's
[00:20:17.360] something I've I've learned. Um I bet
[00:20:19.360] you're [ __ ] really good at your job
[00:20:21.039] because just the way our communications,
[00:20:23.039] the way you deep dive into research.
[00:20:24.400] That's a talent to be able to pull a lot
[00:20:26.960] big source information, all source
[00:20:28.960] information, and kind of come to
[00:20:30.720] conclusions. You that you that is one of
[00:20:32.400] your skill sets. Yeah, absolutely. Um,
[00:20:35.760] did you ever work 9 to5 because you're
[00:20:37.600] kind of a workaholic, right? I mean, you
[00:20:39.520] go over the top. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you
[00:20:42.320] know, I really liked the Pentagon. I
[00:20:45.039] learned an immense amount there and I
[00:20:47.200] would stay there till the wee hours of
[00:20:48.960] the morning. Um, learning, which is also
[00:20:52.320] how you found out information about the
[00:20:55.520] topic topic we're going to discuss. I
[00:20:56.960] delved too deeply. And you came across
[00:20:59.760] this sort of accident. 100%
[00:21:02.039] accidentally. Uh well
[00:21:04.440] sorry the immaculate constellation piece
[00:21:07.200] of this 100% accidentally um before I
[00:21:10.799] was exposed to that you know I had seen
[00:21:13.600] UAP on military videos in the Pentagon
[00:21:17.440] um but nothing that
[00:21:20.600] suggested you know origin
[00:21:23.520] uh intent uh or in the level of detail
[00:21:27.120] that you know I came to find later you
[00:21:29.440] know how so explain that to the average
[00:21:31.520] like how do you just come across UFO
[00:21:33.520] videos in the Pentagon. What does that
[00:21:35.039] mean? What? Tell somebody who has no
[00:21:36.880] idea how that happens.
[00:21:40.440] So, you have a clearance and there's a
[00:21:44.960] secret internet and on that secret
[00:21:47.360] internet there's just a generic access
[00:21:49.840] like you and I. Uh, it's all very secret
[00:21:52.400] sensitive stuff, but more or less
[00:21:54.799] everyone can look at what's on there.
[00:21:57.440] Then you know you have on this secret
[00:22:00.640] internet uh some compartmentation light
[00:22:05.760] compartmentation
[00:22:07.280] uh as it were and then there's entirely
[00:22:09.600] different systems for truly truly uh
[00:22:12.159] sensitive stuff. But the point is is
[00:22:14.480] that there is uh essentially you know a
[00:22:17.280] shared a shared community of knowledge
[00:22:19.600] uh and it goes back you know just like
[00:22:22.559] our own internet it goes back uh over
[00:22:24.559] decades. If you have a top secret
[00:22:26.400] clearance, you go on JWix, you can
[00:22:28.480] pretty much go and see whatever is on
[00:22:30.320] there except for special
[00:22:32.320] compartmentalized stuff. Yeah, pretty
[00:22:34.960] much. Or things that you know are just
[00:22:36.960] uh people protect their business
[00:22:38.799] processes. So, who would be putting UFO
[00:22:41.120] type or UAP videos on on there? How does
[00:22:44.159] that happen? How do they end up there?
[00:22:46.240] uh service members and intelligence
[00:22:48.799] officers uh who for one reason or
[00:22:51.679] another uh decided to put that footage
[00:22:54.880] there. What's the first UFO video you
[00:22:57.200] see? What did you think of it? Military
[00:22:59.440] film footage of a UFO. What What did you
[00:23:03.760] uh what was that like?
[00:23:06.640] Well, technically the first true like
[00:23:08.799] military footage was that I saw uh was
[00:23:12.640] that Tic Tac video and the Go Fast video
[00:23:16.000] and um I think there is one other else
[00:23:18.480] uh the gimbal video that all came out in
[00:23:21.320] 2017. Um granted I didn't see those on
[00:23:23.840] military systems but just being uh
[00:23:27.760] precise here. Yeah. Um, and so things
[00:23:30.799] that I saw after
[00:23:31.960] that kind of looked like all that but
[00:23:34.559] just uh much more duration. Uh, the
[00:23:37.480] videos, you know, it's the internet uh
[00:23:40.000] whether it's secret or not. There's
[00:23:41.280] compression, there's upload and file
[00:23:42.960] sizes. So, some things are crystal
[00:23:45.280] clear, but it's only 15 seconds. Um,
[00:23:47.360] some things you can see 45 minutes of
[00:23:49.520] something moving around, but it's kind
[00:23:51.200] of blurry cuz that's a lot of data. So,
[00:23:53.520] you seem crystal clear at times. um
[00:23:56.000] videos of what appear to be, would you
[00:23:58.080] say, um non-human intelligence made
[00:24:00.159] craft? I mean, what you see evidence
[00:24:02.480] that the the rest of the world doesn't
[00:24:04.240] get to see. That starts happening. Yeah.
[00:24:06.840] Um nothing in those videos necessarily
[00:24:10.320] proves it's extraterrestrial or
[00:24:12.760] nonhuman. It certainly is anomalous,
[00:24:16.080] exotic, and unexplainable and advanced.
[00:24:19.039] Yes. Beyond our capabilities that you
[00:24:21.120] know of. I don't know. Mhm. Some of it
[00:24:24.480] might have might have been with within
[00:24:26.640] our capabilities to replicate even in an
[00:24:28.799] inferior manner but quite a lot of it
[00:24:33.240] um you know it's either something else
[00:24:36.400] or uh we live in a world where we have
[00:24:39.360] been left behind. 2017 these stories
[00:24:42.320] come out, New York Times and other
[00:24:44.000] media, the videos become known that
[00:24:46.720] sparks your curiosity and you start
[00:24:48.480] looking around for that kind of stuff or
[00:24:50.559] it would just come across your desk and
[00:24:52.720] a uh in front of your eyes naturally.
[00:24:55.039] Yeah. So, not looking for that stuff.
[00:24:57.440] Did you have access to live feeds? Yes.
[00:25:00.320] So, live feeds real time, you could go
[00:25:02.320] into like a Reaper drone and see if
[00:25:04.799] there's something going on. just I mean
[00:25:06.559] not that you're specifically looking for
[00:25:07.919] UFOs, but you had access even to live
[00:25:09.919] feeds. Yeah. Um you know, not anything
[00:25:13.919] special, no special access, but you
[00:25:16.799] know, you you know where those resources
[00:25:18.440] are. You can go look at them and I did.
[00:25:22.279] Um I want to go back to this. You said
[00:25:25.039] with these nuclear facilities, nuclear
[00:25:26.880] weapons, nuclear labs, nuclear power
[00:25:29.279] plants that within a year or two like
[00:25:31.760] are you saying all of them get visited
[00:25:33.760] or there some strange phenomena? I can't
[00:25:36.080] say that they all do, but I would I
[00:25:38.480] would suspect that, you know, anything
[00:25:41.120] that is
[00:25:43.159] uh sufficiently nuclear
[00:25:46.320] uh will draw attention at some point and
[00:25:48.320] will be uh they will be encountering
[00:25:50.480] this. And what are they? What what are
[00:25:51.760] you seeing? What what kinds of things
[00:25:53.120] are you seeing? So, I mean, nothing too
[00:25:55.360] dramatic when it comes to like these
[00:25:58.159] facilities. A lot of times it's it's of
[00:26:00.919] uh you know, it's hard to always judge
[00:26:04.400] the size, but I'd be surprised if it's
[00:26:06.159] bigger than a Cessna, probably something
[00:26:07.919] somewhere in between. Um whether it's
[00:26:10.400] white or silverish or if you're looking
[00:26:13.200] through different sensor apparati, uh
[00:26:16.000] it'll, you know, look like whatever hot
[00:26:17.600] or cold is. Uh um but usually orbs
[00:26:21.440] around these facilities. sometimes
[00:26:23.279] things that look a bit more irregular.
[00:26:26.720] Mhm. Um but the vast majority being
[00:26:28.559] orbs. I mean the world's been exposed to
[00:26:31.200] some of this. There's been a
[00:26:32.400] clarification to the general public
[00:26:34.080] about what are you seeing when you're
[00:26:35.440] seeing infrared or fleer. It takes some
[00:26:37.520] translation. There are people that focus
[00:26:39.520] on that and like they can read that. But
[00:26:41.760] basically um you're looking at things
[00:26:44.080] that don't have flight control surfaces
[00:26:46.480] that don't have traditional propulsion.
[00:26:48.720] they seem to tag them on which we've
[00:26:50.720] heard forever with nuclear events and
[00:26:52.400] that kind of thing, nuclear structure.
[00:26:55.360] Um, but you you you see a lot of these
[00:26:57.360] you start getting exposed to them. I
[00:26:58.640] mean, just to begin, doesn't that does
[00:27:00.400] that start or doesn't that start to kind
[00:27:02.240] of um feed that curiosity in you? You
[00:27:05.840] just all of a sudden the average person,
[00:27:08.880] but you're now seeing stuff that you
[00:27:11.039] can't Yeah. You have to be a special
[00:27:13.440] kind of boring to not be interested
[00:27:15.120] after sort of those dates. is shocking
[00:27:17.440] especially knowing the context of what
[00:27:19.360] you're looking at right which you get
[00:27:21.440] when you have those systems that can
[00:27:22.880] look at that 100% what's the context
[00:27:25.520] like like big picture like what's what's
[00:27:28.159] the context yeah and in this in this way
[00:27:30.159] it you seeing images is there discussion
[00:27:32.799] is there text that comes along with this
[00:27:34.480] hey we we saw this thing what the hell
[00:27:36.320] is it it's not us surprisingly little of
[00:27:39.039] that I think um the community kind of
[00:27:42.320] knows or knew we don't talk about this
[00:27:46.000] it's there.
[00:27:48.200] Um, you know, that changed uh some years
[00:27:51.520] ago, but it's since been, I think, uh,
[00:27:54.000] shut down again in terms of like, you
[00:27:55.440] know, community participation and
[00:27:58.640] solving the problem. So, people within
[00:28:01.440] the intelligence community know, you
[00:28:03.200] don't talk about this out loud. You
[00:28:04.880] don't say the quiet part out loud. You
[00:28:06.640] post stuff. You kind of get then you get
[00:28:09.039] an era of discussion when this starts
[00:28:11.279] coming forward. 2017 New York Times
[00:28:13.520] story. But then you're you're explaining
[00:28:15.520] that there's been a kind of clampdown on
[00:28:17.520] that dialogue and discussion. I've heard
[00:28:19.760] that from a lot of people on the inside.
[00:28:22.159] You witnessed that too. Uh yes,
[00:28:24.880] absolutely. Both firsthand and from you
[00:28:27.279] know hearing from friends and
[00:28:28.640] connections. I guess uh uh the screws
[00:28:31.520] were tightened and um certain agencies
[00:28:34.240] you're not allowed to me mention certain
[00:28:35.760] whistleblowers names or you'll be fired
[00:28:37.760] immediately. So there's no announcement
[00:28:39.600] on the PA system. There's no uh leaflets
[00:28:42.080] left in the cafeteria. No memo put out
[00:28:44.720] that says don't talk about this stuff.
[00:28:46.080] But you know Yeah. Yeah. Um you you pick
[00:28:49.279] up on that vibe real quick. When you say
[00:28:50.960] there's certain whistleblowers names you
[00:28:52.480] can't mention. This brings me back to a
[00:28:54.799] friend of ours went when George was
[00:28:56.880] doing his news report on Bob Lazar.
[00:28:58.480] First time it was going to air. He just
[00:28:59.760] said when he was up at Area 52. He just
[00:29:02.320] said, "Hey, you should pay attention to
[00:29:03.760] the news." His career was over. He got
[00:29:06.559] pulled into a room the next day. I would
[00:29:08.559] call him a friend of ours. Um I
[00:29:10.559] interviewed him about it. I mean that
[00:29:11.760] was done. He just mentioned that to to
[00:29:13.840] watch George's news report. Again, we're
[00:29:16.799] not equating Bob Lazar to to to
[00:29:18.799] anything. What we're just saying that
[00:29:20.399] happened. So, what do you mean? If you
[00:29:22.960] mention certain whistlers who who David
[00:29:25.440] Grush, you can't mention David Grush in
[00:29:27.360] certain professional settings or you are
[00:29:28.960] [ __ ] Yeah. If you're not fired, you
[00:29:31.440] are uh in for a very rough time is my
[00:29:33.919] understanding. Alzando. You know, I
[00:29:36.480] didn't hear Alzando as a no-go word.
[00:29:38.640] saying David look David Gush testified
[00:29:41.760] in con open congress so that makes sense
[00:29:44.360] so you what have you seen it happen have
[00:29:47.600] you seen people like mention his name
[00:29:49.360] how do you become aware you can't even
[00:29:50.559] talk about him so that specific uh
[00:29:53.360] example uh heard from a friend at that
[00:29:56.559] agency that was essentially the uh word
[00:29:58.960] of mouth from management nothing written
[00:30:01.120] in paper nothing in emails but from what
[00:30:04.399] it sounds like uh people got a
[00:30:06.720] conversation with their leadership and
[00:30:08.720] we're told as much as we've just gone
[00:30:10.480] over. Um, and his name was absolutely
[00:30:13.440] the firstand experience sort of
[00:30:15.360] radioactive in the chat rooms. It would
[00:30:17.440] either all of a sudden these people that
[00:30:19.919] um never participate are there really
[00:30:22.399] slamming him and slamming the people
[00:30:24.000] talking about him on the classified
[00:30:25.520] internet. Indeed, our space is one we've
[00:30:27.360] talked about a bunch, but these these
[00:30:28.880] where people had open dialogue, it just
[00:30:31.120] got to clamp down and his name was part
[00:30:33.039] of that. That's what you meant when you
[00:30:34.320] said certain people are radioactive. You
[00:30:36.000] can't mention their names, right? Okay.
[00:30:38.000] Kundas and Yeah. No, we're nuclear. He's
[00:30:41.120] radioactive with different designation.
[00:30:43.200] Yeah. So, you're seeing these videos and
[00:30:45.440] some limited discussion. You can't
[00:30:47.039] really openly talk about it, but you're
[00:30:48.640] curious. You're you're kind of hooked on
[00:30:50.320] the topic. Yeah. And and to be clear, uh
[00:30:53.279] uh 2018 when this first exposure
[00:30:55.960] happened and for about a few years
[00:30:58.559] after, it was more it did at least feel
[00:31:00.720] more open. Looking back on it, this was
[00:31:02.640] probably a counter intelligence
[00:31:05.039] prerogative at the time. Um, but it was
[00:31:07.440] allowed to exist. The discussion was
[00:31:09.120] allowed to exist and it felt more like,
[00:31:11.279] you know, people were excited to finally
[00:31:13.520] actually be able to talk about this and
[00:31:15.679] finally be able to try to compare notes,
[00:31:18.320] figure it out. Well, that's when the UAP
[00:31:20.159] task force was created. They didn't call
[00:31:21.760] it that, but it was up and running and
[00:31:23.360] they were trying to make in treaties out
[00:31:25.360] to the intelligence community and DoD.
[00:31:28.000] Hey, they wanted input from and and
[00:31:30.399] partners on Yeah. So, I I saw that
[00:31:32.320] emerge and I saw it die. I saw it die.
[00:31:35.039] Mhm. And when you say exposure, we're
[00:31:37.120] going to get into this, but you mean it
[00:31:38.880] technically it's called spillage. It's
[00:31:40.480] when you see something that is of a
[00:31:42.880] compartmentalized or nature that you are
[00:31:45.200] not specifically cleared to see and you
[00:31:48.159] were exposed to something and it was
[00:31:49.760] like, holy [ __ ] what is this? And the
[00:31:51.919] first thoughts of that I'm interested
[00:31:53.279] in. So if we're at that point, yeah,
[00:31:55.360] okay, so let's talk about that. Look,
[00:31:57.440] the whole world knows about imconulate
[00:32:00.559] constellation. We're saying that word
[00:32:02.000] out loud. Mhm. Um, at one time that was
[00:32:04.159] very dangerous to say out loud, to
[00:32:06.320] write, to text. We should talk about
[00:32:08.559] that. But
[00:32:09.799] before, this is your gateway. This is
[00:32:12.880] the the entrance point. What happened?
[00:32:15.760] How did it happen? What did you see?
[00:32:17.919] What did you think? Yeah. So, the first
[00:32:21.679] exposure uh or the exposure to Macly
[00:32:24.960] constellation uh happened on a shared
[00:32:28.000] server that was shared by all the
[00:32:30.159] offices in OSD. Um what I was doing
[00:32:33.840] through at what I was doing at the time
[00:32:35.200] was opening files that were clearly
[00:32:37.120] misfiled and either sorting them to our
[00:32:39.440] offic's uh you know part of that uh
[00:32:42.399] server or putting them in their own box
[00:32:45.279] to be sorted by other responsib
[00:32:56.080] um you come across a file that really is
[00:32:59.360] what leads us to being here today. It's
[00:33:02.080] uh this it's the Shriber file. Yeah. So,
[00:33:05.039] it was labeled um 2018 Shrivever war
[00:33:08.919] game. Might have been brief or something
[00:33:11.360] else, but that's it. Um there's nothing
[00:33:14.480] about that that screams, you know, it's
[00:33:16.640] a very interesting thing. In fact,
[00:33:18.080] usually a lot of war game briefs are
[00:33:19.600] pretty boring. Um so, there's nothing
[00:33:22.559] that stood out about it. Accidental
[00:33:24.880] exposure for you? 100%. You you go into
[00:33:27.919] it and what do you see? Uh there's a
[00:33:30.720] just a generic title slide. There's a
[00:33:33.039] banner without classification markings
[00:33:34.880] that just says Immaculate
[00:33:36.600] Constellation and it has a a placeholder
[00:33:40.000] slide that shows like the Shrivever war
[00:33:42.640] or Shrivever air base logo and the some
[00:33:45.760] logos of the units involved. Um but at
[00:33:48.399] that time I believe it would have still
[00:33:49.600] been like Air Force Space Command
[00:33:52.679] adjacent. Uh so still nothing
[00:33:56.159] particularly uh stunning. I think the
[00:33:58.880] name at the top probably just the name
[00:34:00.159] of the exercise. Um, so the next slide
[00:34:02.399] though is where it gets interesting. Uh,
[00:34:04.799] cuz the face of Lu Alzando is on that
[00:34:07.120] next slide and that was not who I was
[00:34:10.079] expecting to see and it was accompanied
[00:34:12.320] by text.
[00:34:14.440] Um, to summarize uh, please have some
[00:34:18.240] grace with me. It's been 7 years. But it
[00:34:21.040] was saying that Immaculate Constellation
[00:34:23.760] is an unagnowledged special access
[00:34:25.520] program uh established after the
[00:34:27.839] exposure of ATIP in 2017 by former USDI
[00:34:32.639] officer
[00:34:33.800] Luellando. Uh and you know that that's
[00:34:36.960] the gist of that first slide. And so I'm
[00:34:39.599] looking at that and you know nothing
[00:34:42.240] particularly
[00:34:45.159] uh convincing that that's alien related
[00:34:48.320] or what the sap is or what it's doing.
[00:34:51.320] Um so I don't know what to make of this.
[00:34:53.839] So I read the whole thing and
[00:34:56.839] uh yeah it got very interesting very
[00:34:59.520] quick. So it's designated a sap. You
[00:35:01.680] know this is a sap. It's sitting on a
[00:35:03.119] server maybe it shouldn't be on.
[00:35:04.640] Correct. Right. So I think that's
[00:35:06.240] important. And also it seems like it's
[00:35:07.760] just a response to the the public
[00:35:10.720] spillage or exposure that that we saw
[00:35:13.440] come forward with people like and
[00:35:15.359] specifically Lou Alzando. This was like
[00:35:17.200] an internal classified response to the
[00:35:19.760] fact, oh [ __ ] some of this is out now.
[00:35:22.240] Yeah, that's exactly the tone um uh of
[00:35:26.320] those words of that slide. That's the
[00:35:28.480] implied uh order of events that led to
[00:35:31.839] being established. It was like 2018
[00:35:34.240] maybe. Yeah, the the file was at least
[00:35:37.119] last accessed in 2018. Um I can't
[00:35:40.000] remember if it did say, you know, the
[00:35:41.920] file creation date or if I looked it up,
[00:35:44.160] but I know it was last accessed. Can you
[00:35:45.920] see who's accessed it prior to you? I
[00:35:48.400] can. And and what did you see? So,
[00:35:50.560] everyone says that I'm wrong. It's
[00:35:52.160] impossible, but the name I recall and
[00:35:54.960] recalled at the time thinking, "Oh,
[00:35:56.240] that's odd." Was name redacted. And did
[00:35:58.640] you know who that was? Vaguely. uh at
[00:36:01.200] that time I you know people are
[00:36:03.520] considered superstars in leadership
[00:36:06.000] circles so you just hear names like that
[00:36:08.000] and that's what her name was. Why would
[00:36:09.520] that be impossible? Why are people now
[00:36:10.960] in retros why are people telling you
[00:36:12.400] that would be impossible? Oh she wasn't
[00:36:14.000] at the Pentagon then. Mhm.
[00:36:16.880] Where was she? She was at the Pentagon
[00:36:19.119] to my knowledge but they're saying she
[00:36:20.640] wasn't there. Right. Interesting. So all
[00:36:22.800] right so Shrivever War Games you keep
[00:36:25.119] reading there's a a big slide with Lou
[00:36:27.119] Alzando's face on it. What comes next? I
[00:36:29.280] mean, you get a sense that I shouldn't
[00:36:31.200] be able to read this here. No, not yet,
[00:36:33.760] actually. Um, to be clear, at that point
[00:36:36.480] in time, I had no formal training in
[00:36:38.480] what saps were. There was no sap marking
[00:36:40.560] on this, just a name, immaculate
[00:36:43.079] constellation. Um, the the opening
[00:36:46.760] slide, you know, just we would call it
[00:36:49.599] improperly labeled, um, improperly
[00:36:52.119] classified. What was it? What what did
[00:36:54.160] it show? So the the next slide, the
[00:36:56.480] third slide about uh just jumps straight
[00:36:58.560] into the the mission of this app and
[00:37:01.440] showing what uh apparently the results
[00:37:04.480] of that mission are. And it's
[00:37:06.280] um a a collection incident in the
[00:37:09.440] Pacific Ocean. Uh the subject of
[00:37:12.000] collection is uh several Russian naval
[00:37:15.440] intelligence vessels in the middle of
[00:37:16.880] the ocean at night. And above those
[00:37:19.920] vessels is a large black triangle uh
[00:37:23.280] floating in the air. This is a still
[00:37:25.520] image but it is a color. Okay. So that's
[00:37:28.320] the first kind of event. But what was
[00:37:30.480] the mission? What was the mission?
[00:37:31.839] That's what people want to know is what
[00:37:32.960] was the mission of Immaculate
[00:37:33.920] Constellation as described in the
[00:37:36.000] product. So in the product itself, you
[00:37:38.480] had to piece together the mission um by
[00:37:40.480] reading the whole thing and kind of
[00:37:41.839] putting together the parts. uh you know
[00:37:44.960] it never spelled out fully like as it
[00:37:48.079] should uh the mission of the SAP and I
[00:37:51.839] assume that's because this is a type of
[00:37:53.839] brief where there will be inserts to the
[00:37:55.839] deck which would be inserted by the SAP
[00:37:58.960] control officer during the briefing that
[00:38:00.720] would provide another level of detail.
[00:38:03.359] Uh but based on the information included
[00:38:05.520] in there and its description um the
[00:38:08.160] mission becomes apparent and that is a
[00:38:11.440] bare minimum. It's the, you know, uh,
[00:38:13.760] intelligence, surveillance and
[00:38:14.920] reconnaissance, uh, mission of glo of a
[00:38:18.000] global nature for UAPs and, uh, RVs,
[00:38:21.800] ARVs. The hesitation there is, uh, some
[00:38:24.640] time has passed. Uh, one of those
[00:38:27.200] acronyms is in there, either RV or ARV,
[00:38:29.359] and that is uh, how the triangle in this
[00:38:33.040] case was labeled. It's been seven years.
[00:38:36.000] So, as you're reading through this and
[00:38:37.599] and that you you're remembering RV or
[00:38:40.079] ARB just for our audience. So RV is you
[00:38:43.040] know um reverse reproduction
[00:38:44.960] reproduction vehicle and then ARV would
[00:38:46.960] mean alien you know reproduction you
[00:38:50.320] know we see uh you know yeah people in
[00:38:53.119] the literature say alien reproduction
[00:38:55.040] vehicle it could just be anomalous
[00:38:57.200] advanced or advanced it could be
[00:38:59.920] anything that can go after a you so you
[00:39:02.480] don't know what that is but I don't this
[00:39:04.079] is a pretty interesting uh image here it
[00:39:06.320] is and then the text that accompanies it
[00:39:08.640] describes the incident and what what can
[00:39:10.800] you tell Yeah, the summary of that is
[00:39:13.280] just the how how it unfolded. Um I
[00:39:16.320] should I should actually back up and say
[00:39:17.680] the image itself was unique. Uh this
[00:39:19.920] isn't by a plane or a satellite. Uh it
[00:39:22.720] it looks to be a image pretty close to
[00:39:26.240] the waterline. Uh so something that to
[00:39:28.640] me read is we have a clandestine
[00:39:31.040] submersible asset close by this fleet
[00:39:33.440] and it's taking pictures uh trying to
[00:39:35.440] stay unnoticed.
[00:39:37.079] Um and so yes, in the description it it
[00:39:40.160] basically lays out what what occurred
[00:39:42.320] that night. Uh which was that the the
[00:39:46.079] our collection assets were there in area
[00:39:48.160] monitoring Russian naval vessels. Uh not
[00:39:50.880] sure what they're doing there. Um but
[00:39:52.960] they've been hanging out in the middle
[00:39:54.000] of the ocean in this place apparently
[00:39:55.440] for a few days. Keep an eye on him. This
[00:39:57.440] night uh while they are observing the
[00:40:00.400] Russian vessels, a large black triangle
[00:40:03.640] materializes or decloaks or something.
[00:40:07.040] The point is is it did not move. It
[00:40:08.640] appeared above the directly above these
[00:40:10.760] ships probably no more than 200 m.
[00:40:14.800] Pretty close. And interestingly, as
[00:40:16.960] noted in the report itself, there was no
[00:40:18.560] visible reaction from these vessels from
[00:40:20.720] what would almost certainly be
[00:40:22.480] considered a hostile approach. What do
[00:40:25.040] what do you u what do you take away from
[00:40:28.000] that? They didn't notice it or they're
[00:40:29.920] not upset about it or they don't know
[00:40:31.440] what to do with it or or what? So the
[00:40:34.280] implication also in the text describing
[00:40:36.640] it was uh or sorry I should say the
[00:40:38.720] analysis in the text was that the
[00:40:41.440] Russian Navy uh had fornowledge that
[00:40:44.560] this vehicle would appear in that area
[00:40:46.480] of the ocean and they were there
[00:40:47.960] specifically to either collect on it
[00:40:50.119] themselves or to interact with it in
[00:40:52.400] some way. any indication that it might
[00:40:54.480] be theirs, that they knew it's going to
[00:40:55.839] be there because they control it?
[00:40:58.560] Not in that document. Um, and I haven't
[00:41:02.079] seen anything to make me think uh that
[00:41:05.839] they controlled that particular craft,
[00:41:08.240] but didn't see anything to the contrary
[00:41:10.000] either. I guess it could be that they've
[00:41:11.839] seen it before that there's nothing they
[00:41:13.520] can do about it, so don't get excited
[00:41:15.359] about it. Might be. Although, it is
[00:41:17.760] interesting, you know, if it's something
[00:41:19.359] that's part of their environment as it
[00:41:21.200] were. Why are they making an effort to
[00:41:23.599] be in this space at this time to collect
[00:41:26.480] on something they already know about? Is
[00:41:28.079] it like in the middle of nowhere? Yeah,
[00:41:29.839] it's off the coast of Campka is as I
[00:41:32.800] recall um in the Pacific Ocean. That's
[00:41:35.280] what struck me. I mean, my mind goes to
[00:41:37.200] the idea that they were kind of camped
[00:41:38.960] out, you know, deep uh kind of ocean in
[00:41:41.920] this one specific area durationally. Um,
[00:41:44.560] it kind of implies to me, if I'm
[00:41:46.560] thinking outside the box here, there's
[00:41:48.079] some form of um, comms or communication
[00:41:51.520] with whoever the operators are of this
[00:41:53.520] craft. Am I going too far with that idea
[00:41:55.680] or I think it's a reasonable one to
[00:41:57.599] have. Um, but it's not one that I can
[00:41:59.599] like validate. Yeah, let's be clear. You
[00:42:02.640] were exposed to something. We're just
[00:42:03.920] touching the basics here. We're we're
[00:42:06.240] we're theorizing. We're talking about a
[00:42:07.440] bunch of stuff we don't know. But the
[00:42:09.280] descriptions that you were exposed to
[00:42:11.440] kind of give you a little insight that
[00:42:13.440] we can at least look at some of those
[00:42:14.800] assumptions. Right. Right. Absolutely.
[00:42:16.800] And I'm sure there's a literature out
[00:42:19.920] there that can help narrow down. Mhm.
[00:42:22.160] So, immaculate constellation. You've
[00:42:23.920] never heard this uh uh term before. Um
[00:42:26.720] and it doesn't give you the full picture
[00:42:28.800] there, but what other additional
[00:42:30.720] information did it give about what this
[00:42:32.720] was and how it operates? just described
[00:42:34.720] the events and that analysis of the
[00:42:37.599] event of the Russians having foreign
[00:42:39.200] knowledge to be there um and describing
[00:42:41.680] how the event occurred as I just went
[00:42:43.200] over. So this is a page turner. So you
[00:42:45.680] you know you interested. You're curious
[00:42:47.839] now. Absolutely. What do you do next?
[00:42:49.520] What do you go to the next page and it
[00:42:51.040] was disappointing cuz we get into a
[00:42:53.040] couple slides of orbs and I had already
[00:42:55.520] seen orbs at this point in official
[00:42:57.359] setting. So the next pages show orbs
[00:42:59.839] from different parts of the world. Mhm.
[00:43:01.920] It looks like the pattern is that
[00:43:04.079] there's that under this immaculate
[00:43:05.760] constellation they're gathering UAP
[00:43:08.000] images from all over the planet.
[00:43:09.280] Absolutely. I mean that's the core of
[00:43:10.880] it, right? Um is the idea that we uh
[00:43:14.800] collect data on these UAP and someone
[00:43:18.560] needs to bring them coalate them
[00:43:20.160] together to provide intel to who needs
[00:43:22.560] it. And we're assuming or not assuming
[00:43:25.040] it's been pretty laid out that Macket
[00:43:26.839] constellation was a a a kind of place to
[00:43:29.839] bring everything together to provide
[00:43:31.839] those briefings to senior leadership. Is
[00:43:33.839] that correct? I don't know about to
[00:43:35.839] provide briefings but definitely to to
[00:43:38.160] uh collect data from the military
[00:43:41.839] intelligence enterprise specifically and
[00:43:44.240] the sensors associated with that and yes
[00:43:46.880] to to collect that data centralize it
[00:43:48.880] and have it there for presumably both
[00:43:51.359] analysis and you know operational needs.
[00:43:54.960] Mhm. The Shriber War Games document with
[00:43:57.839] the images 12 pages 15 pages somewhere
[00:44:00.720] in there. Yeah. Yeah. 12 to 15, but
[00:44:03.520] probably more like Yeah. 12. And is that
[00:44:05.599] the only document you ever saw where the
[00:44:07.760] term immaculate constellation was used
[00:44:10.640] until I wrote one? Yeah. And we'll get
[00:44:13.280] into that. But instead of like go
[00:44:14.800] through p people be so curious. So what
[00:44:16.560] comes on the fourth page? Talk us
[00:44:18.480] through the pages. Just go ahead.
[00:44:21.359] On the next episode of Weaponized, when
[00:44:23.280] I was in USDI, I read the transcripts of
[00:44:26.160] Sean Kpatrick uh briefing Senator Rubio,
[00:44:29.599] Senator Warren, and Senator Gillibrand
[00:44:32.000] on the results of his investigation in
[00:44:34.160] his congressionally tasked Arrow report.
[00:44:36.720] You know, I read these transcripts once
[00:44:39.440] uh and immediately knew that
[00:44:43.900] [Music]
[00:44:46.839] uh yeah, veiled threat. No, I I knew
[00:44:50.480] that I was now something else. I was in
[00:44:55.119] I had inside knowledge into the
[00:44:57.359] deception of our government by elements
[00:44:59.280] of our intelligence community. My blood
[00:45:01.520] ran cold at a specific point in that
[00:45:03.920] transcript where Mr. Rubio is discussing
[00:45:07.839] uh the legacy program. This was a
[00:45:10.319] subject of direct discussion with Sean
[00:45:12.079] Kurpatre in these meetings. And based on
[00:45:15.520] Mr. Patrick's replies about uh as vague
[00:45:18.480] as they were uh but unable to escape the
[00:45:21.119] truth of the legacy program. Mr. Rubio's
[00:45:25.119] response was, "Well, what the hell is
[00:45:26.560] the executive branch doing? Have they
[00:45:28.079] been running this for 60 years without
[00:45:29.760] congressional oversight?" The process of
[00:45:31.920] Grush coming forward left awake on the
[00:45:34.160] inside, too. Uh people were tracking
[00:45:36.800] that, weren't even involved, but were
[00:45:39.359] able to see sort of the distortions on
[00:45:41.440] the
[00:45:42.440] inside. Distortions of truth. Exactly.
[00:45:45.200] and but also you know bureaucracies and
[00:45:47.920] offices behaving weirdly. Um that was
[00:45:51.040] one of the moments that really
[00:45:54.119] uh started to convince me that this was
[00:45:58.079] this was not
[00:46:01.240] um under under our government's control.